Westminster Ceasefire Row Plus Will Young Popstar To Politician | Pod Save The UK

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  • @awkwardatlas5623
    @awkwardatlas5623 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Wow, Liz’s take on the ceasefire vote. She really doesn’t get it does she? Yep, who cares about symbolism and signalling what type of behaviour is and isn’t acceptable. It’s not binding, so fuck it, let the bombs continue to fall, we’ll just quietly mind our business over here.

    • @Wulfuswulferson
      @Wulfuswulferson 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      And it's not even just symbolism! We have military personnel in Gaza advising, we sell Israel weapons, a UK base in Cyprus is used to ship supplies to Israel and we're on the security council. There are plenty of meaningful actions our gov could take

    • @DavidCuthbertson
      @DavidCuthbertson 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Well said. The SNP are doing exactly what their constituents want! Nothing particularly cynical about that. Then the Speaker broke those unwritten rules and screwed the SNP over, and here we are. It’s an embarrassment, but it’s not the SNP’s fault.

    • @dh1380
      @dh1380 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I don't think that's really what she was getting at but it did seem a bit flippant

  • @disposable157
    @disposable157 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    The section on the commons vote aged badly in MINUTES

    • @DavidCuthbertson
      @DavidCuthbertson 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Absolutely. Goodness me, I cringed my way through it. Just a quick Google will tell you that YouGov’s poll from *2 months ago* has over 70% in favour of an immediate ceasefire. I’m sure it’s only increased since then.
      The SNP are doing exactly what their constituents want.

  • @mohsin90ish
    @mohsin90ish 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    So calling for a ceasefire is petty politics but amending a watered down version is fine?

  • @sarahadam8334
    @sarahadam8334 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    its so nice to hear from will young, so hear from someone with a conscious

  • @Elspm
    @Elspm 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    @6:29 OR the SNP tabled this motion because their constituents have been crying out for it. I demanded my SNP MP raise this issue, Labour has had many more opportunities to raise it before now.
    Starmer having a hissy fit over this being accurately called collective punishment and pushing the speaker around was the problem in Labour.

    • @jamesgrover2005
      @jamesgrover2005 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      😂
      Yeah right
      That's why they are angry that it passed.

    • @awkwardatlas5623
      @awkwardatlas5623 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Exactly this!!!

    • @Elspm
      @Elspm 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​​@@jamesgrover2005they're angry it was watered down, it's not like the SNP won't work with labour (they did at Holyrood to pass a ceasefire bill months ago)

    • @jamesgrover2005
      @jamesgrover2005 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Elspm yes because wanting a two state solution is "watering down" what would otherwise only be a temporary ceasefire. /End sarcasm
      No.. it's a political game of 'Let's try to make the enemy look bad' while there's a million issues back at home that these parties should be dealing with and can deal with.
      Israel and Hamas couldn't give less of a shit what the UK HOP has to say nevermind the leader of the opposition.
      Nothing to see here, move along.

    • @Elspm
      @Elspm 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@jamesgrover2005the aim for a 2 state solution was clearly not what was at issue. The issue was that the SNP correctly labelled this collective punishment.
      The SNP do not need to make Labour at Westminster look bad, they are quite capable of that all by themselves.

  • @lyledal
    @lyledal 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Ms. Bates is a fantastic interviewer! Also, Will Young is delightful, and doing really important work.

  • @goodwolf152
    @goodwolf152 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm a strange one who actually discovered Will Young when I saw him on Top Gear as the star in a reasonably priced car...been a big fan ever since. What a lovely chap, that one...happy to see him doing such good and valuable work.

  • @bensalt1185
    @bensalt1185 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very much agree with Will Young's take on the thing that is most infuriating with politics right now is the "club" mentality and the jeering and cheers in the Commons its theatre and not a representation of how anything is really done or achieved. They really have forgotten and take for granted who they are actually supposed to be working for! As has been pointed out a number of times, why else do multi-millionaires have an interest in being politicians?!

  • @metalhead2550
    @metalhead2550 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think Will is possibly the only person in the UK who is hopeful for what Labour is supposedly going to do

    • @davidgardiner4720
      @davidgardiner4720 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not seen the polls, then? This despite the right wing Tory bias in almost I every "newspaper" , the cowed BBC and the rabid newcomers.

    • @buzzukfiftythree
      @buzzukfiftythree 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So you want another 5 years of right-wing Tory rule do you?

  • @polarvoyd
    @polarvoyd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's lovely that Laura Farris is pro animal rights, would be nice if she was pro trans rights as well. When I contacted her about one of the many transphobic statements made by the tories, she replied with the old "women need to feel safe and trans women make them unsafe, therefore I am anti-trans" line (paraphrased, but barely).
    Laura Farris isn't one of the good ones, she's just like her colleagues.

  • @intouchdm
    @intouchdm 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Regarding the snp who are the elected voice of Scotland, your saying they should be side stepped for English Labour, because after all who are we as Scott’s to bringing anything of importance? The compleat contempt for the Scottish voice is mind boggling.

  • @richardgale1287
    @richardgale1287 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes please to Will Young MP. Exactly the sort of person Westminster needs, whichever party he'd align with.

  • @rhize797
    @rhize797 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    On one hand its just a meaninglessmotion and on the other you say its a divisive tactic....

  • @alicemerray
    @alicemerray 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Will is spot on about changing the Commons - Parliament in general - to a modern purpose-built building. The whole thing is on the verge of falling down anyway and MPs have been dithering about getting it fixed for literal decades, purchasing costly report after report. Every report says it needs a vast overhaul or even to start again from scratch and enough of the MPs don't fancy that, so they dismiss that report and commission another - at OUR expense. F-ing Rees-Mogg wants any repairs to be done *with MPs staying in the building throughout* which adds MILLIONS and YEARS to the estimated costs! It's an appalling shambles.

  • @DavidCuthbertson
    @DavidCuthbertson 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m intrigued to see if next week’s episode will discuss the Gaza debate further, considering how much happened after recording?

  • @Guy-m8m
    @Guy-m8m 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    DEAR SIR/MADAMN/THOSE TWIXT INBETWEEN
    This is...just....urgh. Contemporary notes are a legitimate form of legal reference, what is she on about....? How does she not know how that system works or the tradition of it? So dismissive...'not real evidence' , *w h a t* literally admissible in court and inquiries!
    Clearly Kemi's defence is administrative with formal meetings with civil service present and minute taking with the official meetings she wanted on the record, as that's exactly what she came out swinging on, the counter is the other channels and conversations? What is this discussion?
    And two things can be true, the SNP members might be responding to a genuine ground swell of pro-Palestinian solidarity, while also knowing it will divide Labour - the fact there is zero focus on it being a matter of intense conscious in a week where that is used to hammer the Labour party in by elections is just...urgh!
    Such a London centric view...is not a game, there are flags everywhere and fundraisers every week up here in Scotland, I find the reporting incredibly disrespectful to that - British Labour are not relevant here, and no polling suggests Keir is anything more than he is....
    Not gonna lie - politics joe pipped you folks here in terms of commentary (I say this because we

  • @mollymcdade4031
    @mollymcdade4031 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As someone who currently works in a library, I have to agree that when someone eats something strong smelling in a library it is very distracting and annoying to the people not enjoying the food. It wasn’t necessary for the sign single out Indian food though, when the same applies to stuff like garlic bread and tuna sandwiches! Maybe they were unsubtly referencing a repeat offender who is partial to a curry when studying 😅

    • @Lina_unchained
      @Lina_unchained 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's far more likely that they were just doing a racism, no?

  • @celly589
    @celly589 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s always funny listening to the villain of the week because they still sound “smart” to my American ears

  • @alicemerray
    @alicemerray 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That sign was not only racist, it was stupid. What about bananas? Or egg sandwiches? Both typical 'snack' foods that someone *might* consider taking into the library and both of which stink!

  • @tamask2172
    @tamask2172 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Let samosas into your life just sounds like lyrics from a muscial :) The story of a young lad bringing flavour to the life of gloomy old Britain.

  • @JWat-ju3xe
    @JWat-ju3xe 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Normally a big fan of the show and it's normally the highlight of my week.
    The coverage of the ceasefire debate was very disappointing though. This interpretation of events was terrible. The narrative presented is that it's all pointless political games from the SNP.
    I disagree it's pointless getting the house to talk about their support or not of a ceasefire.
    I disagree that Israel can ignore words of the house if it in fact pressures the government to take some action.
    I also disagree that its all political games from the SNP.
    None of it would have been games if Labour actually sided with the majority of public they claim to represent and support a ceasefire in the first place.
    Instead we get Labour subverting the rules of the system with secret meetings with the speaker and he makes a surprise judgement against the warnings of his clerks, which negates any discussion of the ceasefire and instead ignites a debate about the rules. What follows are apologises and promises of another opposition day for the SNP which the speaker later reneges on.
    All this conveniently lets both Labour and the Conservatives off the hook.
    The SNP have 3 opposition days to Labour's 17 and what exactly have Labour been using their opposition days for? Why haven't Labour raised this and put pressure on the government to take action?
    It's all very depressing and to see.

  • @ObviouslyFake-m8l
    @ObviouslyFake-m8l 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Writing a note to yourself is not evidence." That is incorrect. A civil servant taking notes at the time are evidence of what happened. Watch the various inquiries, these notes are taken seriously by judges in all of them.

    • @ericajohnson3504
      @ericajohnson3504 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Notes taken at meetings are "the minute of the meeting" and are an official record of the meeting, notes taken by anyone during a conversation (online/phone/in person) can also be regarded as an official memo of the Conversation.

    • @Lina_unchained
      @Lina_unchained 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I mean it is shocking to me that somebody is getting on the Internet and saying such blatantly whacked stuff on a pod that is supposed to be combatting that type of thing. I guess I'm not informed enough bc idk about the UK but over here in the US Notes taken at the time are absolutely evidence. They quite literally always have been.

  • @Tom_murray89
    @Tom_murray89 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Also I went on a tour of the Houses of Parliament and it felt really haunted

  • @NoSacredCowFla
    @NoSacredCowFla 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One question is Care the British equivalent of the American foster system? Because those poor kids aging out of the system are screwed.

    • @duncansonoryan
      @duncansonoryan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah it's the same thing. It's horrifying what we do to the most needy children.

  • @Tom_murray89
    @Tom_murray89 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will young is great. Also Animal testing in general needs to be outlawed

  • @minmom166
    @minmom166 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As a Keep It fan, love the pronunciation of Louis.

  • @harriet.z
    @harriet.z 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Indian food in the library? 📚 That would be torture! They are too tasty and smell so good. I would be so distracted. Haha. How could they ever be considered “smelly”? They are too fragrant if anything.

  • @adrianaspalinky1986
    @adrianaspalinky1986 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Only fun when I see Liz Bates on Channel 4 news,
    I never watch Sky news

  • @duckweedy
    @duckweedy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ruthless bastard is definitely good description of Starmer.

  • @justcomments
    @justcomments 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Re villain of the week: Can I add as a library/archive professional that boiled carrots and lumpy potatoes are ALSO not allowed in libraries, and that sign writer can GFT
    You spend long enough in a dry archive and the smell of pakoras at the end of the day is heavenly 😋

  • @damarisrodriguez5118
    @damarisrodriguez5118 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Craving Indian food now. Thanks!

  • @Sam_virgo_96
    @Sam_virgo_96 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will Young needs to collab with Mummy dearest Joe Lycett

  • @NoSacredCowFla
    @NoSacredCowFla 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Beagles is your tory threshold?

  • @Relisysification
    @Relisysification 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have been a professional chef, and worked with people from 6 continents and tried food made by and for them which was a real privilege for a melanin deficient 'ghost person'
    The worst smell in cooking is boiled cruciferous vegetables, which is why bay leaves are added to a lot of dishes with sulphurous veg in it.

  • @buzzukfiftythree
    @buzzukfiftythree 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Being in the presence of a Tory toff feels a bit like one feels after dealing with a used car salesman.

  • @sfshinz
    @sfshinz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anytime I walk past an Indian restaurant I can’t smell from the street, I look it askance.

  • @vinylnerd1544
    @vinylnerd1544 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    having a romantic night with my boyfriend watching PSUK...adulthood is weird :')

  • @ExhaustedWombat
    @ExhaustedWombat 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely garbage take on the ceasefire debate but I’ve learnt to expect nothing less than total trash from the crooked media family on that issue.

  • @BenKing-l4g
    @BenKing-l4g 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This might be blasphemy but i think the show works better with Liz, i think shes brilliant having never seen her before

  • @blueberry-ri7eb
    @blueberry-ri7eb 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Let there be swearing

  • @dorothea_walland
    @dorothea_walland 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i secretly hate anyone who comes to a public space and sits next to me with a hot curry or garlic bread.. cos they smell DELICIOUS and spoil all my dieting efforts. 😂🤦‍♀️🙈🙈 also, i want to befriend them. 😂 you'll be safe from me with a mc donalds burger. and i also want to befriend you cos with you i will be thin forever. my diet has never been safer than with whatever that is that you are eating. (cos it is not food). 😊
    ❤❤ lots of love from austria. for you guys qnd for will, and care experience people and transgender people ans all minorities.
    you guys spread hope that humanity is not an isolated incident.

  • @jenifernaidoo7231
    @jenifernaidoo7231 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not your finest moment PSUK

  • @winnisnov
    @winnisnov 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Caroline Lucas - Ravenclaw

  • @thomasd2444
    @thomasd2444 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    13:53 - th-cam.com/video/MF-G0KfRyiQ/w-d-xo.html Will Young - Pop Idol - Rare Uncut First Audition

  • @philmckay9973
    @philmckay9973 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ah man, i thought it was paul young lol

  • @motebike
    @motebike 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel for Will. He has no idea how 'Rockefeller' infested is the sewer that the corridors of power is.

  • @adrianaspalinky1986
    @adrianaspalinky1986 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The big draw here is Liz Bates

  • @Vulcanerd
    @Vulcanerd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No Coco!! Well, looks like Liz will do a splendid job as well (I'm just starting the episode)!

  • @ellenfine145
    @ellenfine145 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As an American, for now- depending on Nov outcomes, love the UK take on politics.... However ,commenting on the racism of the so called 'smelly food', having lived in the UK for a brief stint before the invention of gastro pub.... Seriously, like the former and still for many, national dish, fish and chips doesn't stink? Kidney pies, cornish pasties, even a Sunday roast- all food w distinctive scent. My gosh, anything w cabbage! So really, about the only traditional UK food that is low scent, is a plain scone or trifle. So yeah, some racist kind of food references, there... Only, p.o.-ed that I've found this show, so will now have to take up more of my time, while gardening and prepping my passport, worldly posessions, for a potential November move, listening to POD Save America, 'This F-ing Guy; and now Pod Save UK. Thanks for nothing! Nish & Liz (this week).

  • @EmmaVB82
    @EmmaVB82 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ahhhh Liz, I’ve missed seeing you on Channel 4 News! Paul is doing a good job at reporting on Westminster, but speaking on a purely selfish and superficial level, his outfits (and especially his coats) are much less covetable for me personally than yours! 😄 (nothing wrong with his coats, and he’s always very well groomed and presentable (especially compared to me in my WFH world, where my colleagues are lucky if I’ve brushed my hair 😂), but I just think the style of yours would suit me better 😄

    • @EmmaVB82
      @EmmaVB82 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I commented way too early there, before the delays of both washing dishes and taking breaks to play with my cats, who have no sense of what’s important! (…although you could convincingly argue that playing with my cats was in fact THE most important thing I could do in that moment, and nobody in my house would argue with that! 😻)
      Thank you for reminding me of how great Will Young is! (and looking a lot like the actor Jesse Williams now, who I know from playing the character of Jackson Avery on Grey’s Anatomy!) ❤️
      I’m a bit younger than Liz, and was 19 during that Pop Idol final, and in the midst of a period of great change in my life; more than halfway through my year post A-levels, when I’d gone back to school for exam resits to improve some grades, as well as taking a whole new A level in addition (for the grades boost partially, but mostly because my interests had changed)… but it would be another 13+ years before I got my ADHD diagnosed, so the underlying problems leading to my poor (compared to predicted) final grades (and struggles in the process to get there!) were still very much a factor, so I gained nothing more than an extra year on my year of graduation… plus partial study towards my psychology A level before my degree in the same subject, which admittedly might have helped my chances when I went through clearing that summer!
      In fairness, all of that has absolutely nothing to do with Will Young 😆 But all of the sympathies and empathies to him for the loss of his brother 😔 My dad died very suddenly, shortly after I started uni later in 2002, but in my case it was due to a heart attack rather than suicide… both situations are unimaginable tbh 💔 I could probably do with watching the documentary that was mentioned here 💙
      All of that aside, I for one am very much cheering on Will Young’s political career! My field is in IT, but I’ve worked at a conservation charity for the last $TooLongPeriodOfTime, and I fully respect and support Will’s cause about stopping the testing on those dogs! 🚫
      It’s taken me about 2 hours to get to the point of actually finishing the video and leaving these comments, but it’s now 3am and I’ve run out of steam/forgotten how I was going to actually end this, and I have a bout of violent hiccups I need to quash before I can get to sleep… and don’t ask me about my work meetings in the morning! 🙈 Great show all round though x

    • @EmmaVB82
      @EmmaVB82 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      P.S. Indian foods are the BEST foods, including the best smelling foods! My only complaint about smelling other people’s Indian food is when it’s not also MY food and I can’t have any.

  • @adrianaspalinky1986
    @adrianaspalinky1986 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who is Will Bates?

  • @kathunter2130
    @kathunter2130 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I know Harry Potter is a relevant cultural landmark and I’m not assuming that Will or anyone else is transphobic but, hearing Harry Potter referenced casually without someone acknowledging the real harm caused by Rowling and those that agree with her is painful. I know that the likely reality is that no one thought about it and there was no malice but even that indicates to me that trans lives and rights aren’t important or top of mind. The short discussion of trans people might have been really affirming without the Potter reference earlier. As it is it felt performative and surface level.

    • @MrsMelrom
      @MrsMelrom 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      especially as Will later referenced the casual harm being inflicted on trans people in that place.

    • @calbob9104
      @calbob9104 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He was comparing the Tories to the villains of a childrens book.

    • @polarvoyd
      @polarvoyd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I like you.

    • @ExhaustedWombat
      @ExhaustedWombat 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Reference to it certainly diminishes my opinion of the one who invokes it at the very least. It makes them seem quite unserious.

  • @adrianaspalinky1986
    @adrianaspalinky1986 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    #WizBates

  • @jamesgrover2005
    @jamesgrover2005 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just in.. Hamas and Israel have stopped fighting because labour have asked for a ceasefire.
    🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @muhammeddin9905
    @muhammeddin9905 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Liz talk me through how you're going to misrepresent what's happening in Parliment, fail to mention that the SNP only have 3 opposition days per month, yet had this one hijacked and how everyone else is playing politics except your beleoved Keir? 🤔. Oh sorry I mean, talk us through how we have got here. Whatever the fuck that means.

  • @ianh452
    @ianh452 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Liz Bates is funnier and smarter than Nish. Just a given. Again.