First and foremost, randomly found you searching some rogue stuff and I would like to say I appreciate and like your style of content thank you for all that you do.
This is my new favorite channel. You never speak down to people and you always do justice to both the game and rogues. Thank you for phenomenal content!
That's the plan! I try to post on situations that I kind of resolve for myself to help others! If you ever have suggestions let me know. :) Best of luck and thanks for the support!
For someone that jumps in and out of playing wow, these videos are great. Much more interesting, engaging, and less dry than other guides. Thankyou for posting these.
Been maining rogue for 10+ years and i must say this is the best channel iv'e come across, your'e such a genuine guy with great content. Keep it coming m8.
Hey Palumor! Just boosted a Rogue to 50 today. Actually im a Lock Main since Legion but the current state of Lock is just meeeh... Thank you for all of your Videos! The Guides are super helpfull! I just realised how hard it is to perfectly play a Rogue and what insane plays u can make as an Rogue. Thinking about switching to Rogue as a Main since the playstyle looks way more fun and challenging as the Lock one. I will watch every of your Shadowlands Videos and hope I can get my first Gladiator Title with it! Keep up the good content and im hyped for new videos from you
Thank you so much. That is such an extremely kind comment. I really appreciate you and I'm happy I could help excite you for rogue! Best of luck and thank you for the support!
You gotta be the best TH-camr in explaining all this. You give so much helpful information most of these cats a so full of themselves I literally get nautious listening to the. Your good don't let it go to your head a become a douchbag. Love the videos.
What’s up brother love the vids. Picked up rogue for the first time in my 12 years playing and have been using your channel to keep up to date with what’s going on with it for SL. I’m a multi class multi r1/glad but as i’ve gotten older I don’t have time to play as much anymore so i’m thankful for people like you who are taking the time to inform the community of the do’s and don’ts 👍
I'm a classic player who started playing a sub rogue in Shadowlands recently and your videos are really helpful :) There's so much informations to process in retail that it can be really overwhelming for new players.
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Your vids are so helpful. i thought my AOE dmg was so bad but then i watched ur vid and im killing it now. Thanks bro keep the vidz coming :D THANK YOU
Palumor - Mark of Master Assassin. Think of that opener you did a video on ;) Kyrian Ability, Evisverate and Marked for Death eviscerate all critical hits + any white swings, poisons, or on use trinkets. It's killing people within the first Cheap Shot.
I'd like to draw your attention on the single best use of Mark of the assassin : farming. I crafted the ring with my first 1250 soul ashes since I didn't have Akaari and my goodness what an efficient farmer I am now. You don't open with stun when you farm and going Subterfuge + Weaponmaster is a nice synergy since you basically get 3 or more shadow strikes that crit and kill the mob pretty much instantly. And since you cloak between almost every single mob and tp to the next with shadowstrike, you get a really good amount of value out of the legendary. Other than farmingwise, I really think this legendary is behind and a bit too gimmicky indeed. I agree with you on the fact that Akaari seems to be the most balanced for pve/pvp. The 25% increase damage is really good. I'll go for it with my main legendary and keep the ring for my farming sessions. Good video as usual ! Love how you go straight to the point and speak with sims to back your words.
Man, reading this comment literally gave me butterflies. This is exactly what I want to see in terms of people being creative and instead of just saying things are bad, putting them into a new light. I completely agree, this thing sounds insane for farming. I'm remember back to levelling and re-stealth shadowstriking each mob! Thank you so much for the feedback!
@@Palumor I've just watch your MM+ cleave guide and I have another point to adress : Going back on the utility of the Mark of the assassin legendary : since you go out of stealth with garanteed crit, you don't need to pop symbols of death right away to apply find weakness on all target. That means your symbols of death can be use after the 6sec mark to reapply find weakness on all target if the cleave situation lasts longer AND you get a nice energy refill when you start to starve on energy. I would say that's another good situation for this legendary power. I love your videos because you actually think and analyse our different options as rogues without falling into the "omg that suxx" trap. Side note : I would gladly support you on patreon if you got one, excellent work should be supported. Keep it up man !
@@duconyomi That is so kind of you man! Honestly. That means the world to me, your viewership is very much appreciated as well as your feedback! I definitely agree on the AoE pull, the only thing I'd say is maybe just pop symbols and waste the guaranteed crit because you can grab 15% more damage during the rest! Thanks again though honestly. :)
@@Palumor Hi again ! I’ve run some tests on dummies. 3 targets cleave situation Talents : 1 / 3 / 2 / 1 / 3 / 3 / 1 180 iLvL / Bloodfury / Shadowblades Trinkets : Withergrove Shardling + Decanter of Anima-Charged Winds Legendary : Mark of the assassin Septis on engage + Instant poison + food buff + flask DPS Without SoD on engage : 4.3k / 4.8k / 4.5k / 4.2k / 4.3k With SoD on engage : 8k / 7.8k / 6.5k / 7.2k / 8.1k Even with slight differences on rotation execution it WAY better to go for SoD on engage even if the garanteed crit is « wasted ». The 15 % damage increase (buffing Shadowblades also) on all black powder far outweight the benefit of going SoD later. I stand corrected :)
What you are saying about MA makes sense in theory, but I really feel like you get a lot of initial burst out of a crit for the 5cp evisc then mfd evisc at the tail end of an opener. Imo MA is still the go to since rogue is all about killing ur target or applying big pressure in that initial open.
It definitely is strong and fun, but I'm talking in the big picture of high rated gameplay where people won't die on the opener like in the skirmishes! I personally think MA excels in a ton of places though like BGs/World activies/Torghast etc
Great video! Picked Mark for my 1st legendary because it's super versatile for all kids of content. Also in arena you can use rotation (after poping all cds in stealth): Cheap Shot->Echoing Reprimad+Drest or other burst tribket from new raid->Eviscerate->Mark Eviscerate. It will all crit, making it oneshot unless the target trinkets. I think its great for medium mmr. BUT, I will not upgrade it and pick Shadowdust for competitie arena. That way I will have 1 versatile legendary for all kinds of content and 1 legendary for 2.2k+ 3v3.
Thanks for the guide! Helped a ton. I was wondering if you could make a video on arena CC and survivability type stuff? I for example have the burst down pretty well, but watching one of your vods I was amazed by how organized your stuns and blinds, along with survivability and choosing targets. Anyway good stuff as always!
Right on man. For sure chilling in my stream I can maybe help give a good understanding for the flow of the gameplay. I am 100% going to dive into arena content videos in the future!
1.) Agree with everything in regards to Deathly Shadows. It might end up being an amazing support legendary if a second legendary slot ever opens up. 2.) Finality is the overall best choice for all forms on content in Shadowlands. If you want to perform well in raid, M+ and Arena go for Finality. I also don't quite understand the logic behind the burst vs sustain thing. It's pretty normal to get two eviscerates off per stun DR, so the additional 25% damage every stun DR just from Eviscerate is nice and the additional 25% damage from Rupture is obviously a bonus for both your stun DR go and helps with the lack of sustained damage. 3.) Akaari's is an awful idea in PvP. Cheap Shot->Akaari's broke a ton of CC in Legion even when your mage/hunter played around it. It also extends the combat timer sometimes which can lead to dropped saps. I wouldn't even craft this as a raider is I can't imagine the slight DPS increase over Finality is going to net you a kill on prog. I could see it being useful for healer/rogue 2's however as the ST damage is very high. 4.) Agreed with everything you said about the Rotten 5.) If the meta ever slows down, I suspect Invigorating will end up being BiS for arena in most scenarios. There are way too many synergies, some of which I'd prefer not to talk about publicly. 6.) Agreed with everything you said about Bloodfang. And then the elephant in the room is Mark of the Master Assassin. And I actually agree with you, I don't think it's going to end up being very good. The reason I crafted it early isn't because I think it'll be really strong in PvP, but I expect Subtlety to get nerfed in both PvP and PvE, so I wanted a neutral legendary for the other specs and it's just an easy to use legendary for all forms of content. EDIT: If I was in a progression environment, I would not craft any legendary until after the HC tuning pass that's sure to come. However, at this current moment in time, and if pacing does not change, it is far and gone BiS for Arena. With Dreadfire and Skulker's Wing coming out of the raid, the synergy it has with this Legendary is unreal. When paired with Writhing Spine (a previous expansion trinket which has been BiS for rogues for 319 days), you can do 20k damage in a single globally pretty trivially (Cheap Shot->symbols + dance + blades + echoing + drest). Considering Skulker's Wing and Dreadfire are straight powercreep on Writhing Spine, it's going to get stronger: not weaker. However, I can't imagine this ever sticking. I really do think that people who crafted Mark of the Master Assassin for the sole purpose of spam one shotting people all season will end up disappointed. But right now, there's no competition except maybe at the very top 0.001%. If nothing changes however, it will end up far and gone BiS as on-use trinkets not being on the GCD allows this legendary to do disgusting things. Getting restealths isn't particularly hard, though it has a lot of negatives attached to it. And if this were to end up the meta you will get HOUNDED when you go for restealths as the power of a 100% Crit opener being spammed is beyond broken. Mark of the Master Assassin is a great legendary if you want a neutral legendary for all specs, but if the sole point is for Arena, I think once nerfs roll out it will be strictly worse than Invigorating or Finality. If you're an actual Sub one trick who does all forms of content, Finality is a really amazing option. Also on a side note: Cheap Shot (4s remaining) -> Echoing (3s remaining) -> Shadowstrike (2s remaining) -> Evic (1s remaining) -> Shadowstrike (0s) remaining is actually 5 GCD's into it. This is irrelevant, as you actually have to press stun against the majority of players instead of a last Shadowstrike, but MFD Kidney might actually be superior on those players anyways.
I read your entire post and I want to say thank you. This is great and exactly what I want in the comments here. You actually opened my eyes a lot talking about Akaari's in regards to CC breaking and combat delays. Really interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing, and I'll definitely maybe be considering Finality over Akaari's now! We'll see what comes!
I agree with most of what you are saying but they have nerfed both Skulker's Wing and Dreadfire by 55 %, cant see it being better than two pvp trinket set bonus?
@@NM-vj8nc Drest has also already been nerfed, and it's still insane. These trinkets will most likely just be strictly better versions of the trinket even with the nerfs. Also unless the 40% increased Versatility does not adhere to diminishing returns for some reason, that set bonus will continue to get worse over the course of the expansion. You should actually see the results of that near the end of this season (or even middle). EDIT: Even now, in a sustained game Badge seems to outperform the Drest trinket. The problem is that if stronger trinkets with the same mechanic are introduced, the MA legendary + rogue kit ensures that you have crazy on demand damage in one GCD, which will almost always outweigh the overall damage bonus.
Man you make these videos on crazy good timing just what i needed. Can you also make a video on what consumables, enchant etc rogues needs for the upcoming raid like everything. It will probs draw in more viewers if you do it b4 the raid as many are Kinda lost when it comes to this.
I did actually record that video, and I never uploaded it because I was afraid it might not be very helpful! I can definitely re-cover these things though and get that up!
I've been using MoA first weeks and just got my Finality from raids. Can confirm MoA has great burst potential in early mythics til around 7 and starts to fall off as packs last longer. Finality clearly wins in higher levels. However in pvp MoA is extremely powerful, especially in battlegrounds. Even in arena I can often open on one of the enemy squishies and kill them with a 30-40k in the blink of an eye before the healer has started casting. In battlegrounds hopping in and out of stealth between each kill and jumping to people to shred them open in seconds. Plus restealths with vanish & shadowmeld, it gives you potentially 3 opens on one person with 100% crit rate eviscerates.
Absolutely agree with all of this! Especially after changes to Echoing Reprimand damage, PvP might need to rely on MA crits more for evis to carry dmg!
This is basically my opinion. Ma was good at the start of mythic plus but my dps was dropping when I was reaching higher keys so now have finality which gives your consistent dps in higher keys. Ma is still my choice for all pvp at the moment. With the amount of restealths you can get it’s a no brainier for burst. With night fae would be even better for escaping situations and re stealth
@@Baggiolyful Exactly, however I would like to add to my statement above. Now that I've had further experience with all M+ 15+ I can confirm MA does have its place. For dungeons with large pack size like SoA or Mists, or outliers like NW where u can use all the weapons with MA and do 100k+ dps :D Finality although a good safe bet, keeps your dps at a capped number, and will never raise above that. However MA gets those high burst peaks, coupled with a mage finishing the packs off, they go down swiftly! I would definitely recommend Finality for single target heavy M+ like TOP.
@@pepsipwns666 yh i understand your point. I’m only just doing m+9/10 atm So sounds like your more experienced. My logic was thinking that bigger keys mean mobs have bigger hp and the fights are generally longer. finality would give you the consistency in longer fights but with ma it drops 4s after stealth then surely your dps starts to go down. With finality it will just level but at higher dps ?. I haven’t used finality long enough yet to really see.
I totally agree with your opinion. I've been playing rogue for a long time. On retail with a minimum gear, we have enough crit to not use this 100% crit legendary effect. Constant dps is always more viable than fancy irregular procs. 🤘
There’s some value to that. You can probably benefit more from other legendaries in certain situations. But IMO for consistency in pvp the 100% crit leg is unbeatable just for the consistent burst. I haven’t tried the soul fragment yet but it sounds not far off. Finality should be the best for pve because of the amount of damaging finish moves you will do eviscerate and black powder.
Yh it’s just a shame you can’t use the full benefit of the legendary. When you cheap shot symbols shadow dance shadow strike. You first shadow would crit anyway from symbols but your next shadow and eviscerate would crit in the last 2 secs if your good timing. Which is still huge for burst.
Considering you are critting 2 x 5 combo point evis, mark of the master assasins absolutely gives you the most in burst windows . Remember this also applys to your active trinket cuz it off GCD
Yeah I know! Once Bliz hotfixes drest this will become a lot more irrelevant though. Don't get me wrong MA is funny and cool, it's just not realistic at high end arena that's all. It's too gimmicky, players will stop re-stealths. There will be little value imo.
Quit crying people....rets one shot, warriors, hunters etc etc, everyone has burst potential, and the game is fast paced dont rush to nerf a class and make it dog shit until the next xpac.....
You could stack the first legendary with the 45 second cool down on vanish conduit at the trade of 15% health so for pve that one could actually be pretty solid
Great breakdown... I went with the Master Assassin. It can go on either wrist or ring. I put it on a wrist piece with versatility and mastery, instead of ring. A wrist has agility, where a ring does not have primary stat. You can then get both the pvp honor ring and upgrade it and the conquest ring for stacking more versatility and mastery. Stacking versatility and mastery, combined with 100% crit makes you burst pretty hard. Also, since your openers will crit, you can save symbols/ echoing reprimand until the Master Assassin but drops, just as your song up your second stun. It's also great for blasting mobs in open world and mythics, since you are constantly restealthing. Also, I had master assassin burning a hole in my bag. I don't have akaari or finality...lol... working with what I got.
@@Palumor I'm rocking my MA wrist and loving it. Now, I just got Akaari drop from Torghast.. I'm considering adding it as a 2nd leggo, as opposed to just upgrading my MA wrist to rank 2. decisions decisions...
@@liquidmojo1439 I am going to grab MA next week and run it in double rogue 2s, very excited lol. I wouldn't stress it too much, Akaari's 210 is nice but nothing too fun!
@@Palumor tidbit that I just realized, maybe this is obvious, but you can only equip one legendary at a time... lol. I was thinking of stacking MA and Akaari, but apparently that isn't a thing.. lol
[From a PVP perspective only] One thing that needs to be considered is that MA will make echoing reprimand crit as well and since it hits like a truck right now you can potentially get a kill in the opener. Akaari is probably a safer bet but when the season comes out lots of people will be in weak gear and if you can get a little bit ahead those one shot opportunities are really nice. Just something to consider!
I agree for sure, but that's the point in symbols of death! You can already guarantee it's crit! You're only missing on like 2-3crits at most! Thanks for the feedback though.
Feedback on the video: For each legendary, you should have opened with the tooltip for said legendary and then gone over to the sims stats. As for Mark of the Master Assassin, you missed the best part. I agree that 2 secs are kinda wasted of the bat, but they key is the two eviscerates at the end, the first one from kyr abi + cheap shot, the second one from Marked for Death. That's two 5x combo points eviscerates with 100% crit, which is absolutely brutal. As for the Akaari's soul fragment, you did mention that it does make shadowstrike hit 25% harder permanently, what I'm wondering is if you hit 2x shadowstrikes, will the first 2 sec timer get cancelled out by the second 2 sec timer? If so, that's a lot of missed damage. But yes, it does seems quite good. As for your channel, I think it's great, I first found your sub rogue opener video and it's helped a ton going from panic pressing all the abilities to try to follow your format.
I understood Akari's to mean you get an automatic shadowstrike applied 2 secs later at 1/4 the damage it normally does...that's what I thought they meant by 25% effectiveness....so wouldn't it just be a free little DPS with the combo points that comes with as well?
Hear me out, I am currently playing Marks of the Masters Assassin and its low key broken. I am consistently hitting 33k (close to 40k with dresagath) in that 4 second window with the following abilities: stealth>cheap shot>shadow dance> shadowstrike>shadowstrike>symbols of death>eviscerate>mark of death>eviscerate>echoing reprimand. Usually when your using echoing reprimand at the end you are out of the 4 second window but since you casted symbols of death mid sequence and still have not used a combo point generator it will always crit. This is also without using shadow blades so it can slap even harder than 40k. Also, something that you are leaving out is that it is easier to restealth than ever before if playing kirian. You can use summon steward vial to remove all dots which are usually the only thing holding you back from restealthing. I recommend you give it a try and let us know what you think after :)
its better to shadowblades, symbols, cheap, shadowdance, echoing reprimand, evis, marked for death, evis, that takes u 2 seconds and does between 30-40k
@@NETTNobviously Agreed, my point was to show how crazy good it is even without your strongest ability active. Although, i believe you are wasting a GCD by not using echoing after the 4 second window. It will always crit with symbols so there is not point of using it in that window of time.
@@michaelupperco7335 I use it so I can evis marked evis and I wanna keep time in the 4sec stun to either smoke, cloak, or react to any thing around me, but up to you how you do it
First, thank you so much for the feedback. I'm loving all of the different ideas/opinions bouncing around in here. I personally still stick by what I stated. I think MA is definitely gimmicky and you'll fail to utilize it to it's full potential! Someone else had commented mentioning how it's super cool for world questing/farming and I think that's absolutely good. Maybe even Torghast as well! I just don't see this lasting in PvP long term! I do like your idea of pointing out the Kyrian vial as well though! Something to keep in mind for sure. :)
heya just a thought on mark of the assassin, i'm finding a lot of use of it in torghast as well as there are some things you can do there in terms of doing damage with non combo point generators and just stay stealth for 100% crit. Also symbols is only for generators, you can't pop symbols and crit an eviscerate which is where the big damage is. Burst combo with bastian skill is insane with it. shadowblades symbols and shadowdance up, your echoing reprimand hits for over 12k with one button and then an empowered eviscerate after that you're pushing 20k with 2 globals
Love the videos bud - great great content. Iam gonna use MA mainly for mythic+ so I was wondering if you ever want crit on your gear, it should be the go to stat from what ive read. But it become "useless" with MA, right?
I picked up mark of the master assassin since I'm mainly interested in m+. I proc it plenty often but am still figuring out what exactly to do with it. 4 globals isn't a lot. First shadowstrike gets buffed, great. Then shuriken storm to spread find weakness, a fat black powder, shuriken storm and then its over already. Do I use symbols to buff my damage or save it for when find weakness falls off? Guess it depends on how long the pack is going to live. I'm also necrolord trying to run emeni's (because its fun, and plenty of resets in m+) but I can't waste a free crit global on bone spike. After shadow dance runs out I can always bonespike -> vanish -> aoe burst again if its a particularly beefy pack. Is marked for death off the gcd? Cuz then maybe you could shuriken storm, black powder, mfd, blackpowder. And that'd be some fat aoe burst.
It is off the GCD! - And to answer your question about popping symbols, this is the awkward situation I don't want to be in, and why I'm not running MA! I think personally it's worth popping it stacked with your guranteed MA crit for the 15% dmg buff! I hope this helps man. Good luck! If you have any more questions, let me know. :)
@@Palumor Theres also shrunken tornado. If its 5 targets you could honestly skip the shadowstrike and exit stealth with tornado and get 3 buffed black powders off
Really hope akaari’s soul fragment is good in pvp, liking it more than the other viable ones. I see a lot of people running mark of the master assassin, but I think it just doesn’t help much when you don’t get to re-stealth.
@@Palumor MA Mark post nerf, where do you think it is even less viable than your original opinion? If you do what is the other viable sub pvp Legendaries?
The shiv one seems fun for pvp just because of the bonus of the offhand poison effect, doing about the same dmg as a backstab, but maybe is not worth the spot of a leggo so it’s kind of a tough choice
I adapted the one button kill macro to work with nightfae despite not knowing how to play rogue... /castsequence reset=14 Cold Blood(Pvp Talent), Shadow Blades,Cheap Shot,Shadow Dance,Symbols of Death,Shadowstrike,Gloomblade,Sepsis,Eviscerate,Marked for Death,Eviscerate,Cheap Shot,Gloomblade,Rupture That's what I have for it. It's still wip so I need to work on it. in no means am I a pro in macro construction or rogues in general.
Hi! I have a question. I just Leveled my rouge sub rouge up to 60 today and choose Night Fae as my covenant because it's supposed to be good in Pve situations which is what iv'e mainly played so far. But i'm thinking of getting into some PvP aswell and am thinking on changing to Kyrian because of that. My question is, is Kyrian viable in Mythic plus and raids aswell or is there a huge difference between Night fae an Kyrian. The thing is I don't want to change to Kyrian and level it up and then maybe get bored of Pvp and have to change back to Night fae cause it isn't good enough for pve. Sorry if it don't make sense I'm tired as hell and english isn't my first language! :)
Your English is GREAT! Night Fae and Kyrian are both amazing for PvE! Kyrian definitely stands out in PvP so I'd say if you like playing both PvE and PvP Kyrian is worth it!
My reason for going master assassin is i can hopefully force trinket + defensive in the opener without shadow blades, letting me use it for my second burst instead. Any thoughts on that? Also gr8 video btw
Really liked your reasoning behind pvp aspect of the Mark of the Master Assassin legendary. I just don’t have the proper arena experience yet and the opener rotations seem too daunting to slowly get better. It’s a lot at first sight. I did craft MA, and for world content it is amazing. Any mob you get the drop on in is instantly melted. In dungeons the tank has to let you restealth, but I’m easily top of the damage meters. Wondering how that is gonna hold up on higher keys though
Palumor, which legendary do you think is a safe first pick for mythic+ and raiding and a little bit of pvp also? I was thinking about getting finality to be honest but your pick on Akari kinda confused me!
I think Mark o fthe master assassin is a great one for battlegrounds when you are getting back into stealth to pick targets of opportunity. Great for guaranteed burst when you need it.
@@Palumor it's not the best choice but I switch between outlaw and sub a lot and I feel like it's an alright first leggy for me. Going to primarily run M+, Battlegrounds and open world PvP for a quick burst
@@9IX6IX Yeah honestly! I think MA in BGs+Torghast or honestly any type of solo gameplay would be insane for it to be useful. I'm jelly, I definitely want to try it but I must wait!
yoo i completely agree with you on the crit legendary! first person ive heard who really has a good opinion on why its bad. I think it will be very good early in the season though, but i think later on the vanish one will be better, tell me what u think :)
Appreciate the video. With regards to mark of assassin, if you symbol pre-opener, open with a MFD 5 pt kidney, you can get 2 SS and an Evisc off in the window. Not sure that gives it more weight, but symbols and shadowblades are off GCD and shouldnt factor in to a GCD
Don't get me wrong! This legendary is super cool and insanely bursty, I just think in the big overview of arena it won't see as much success. It sounds insane in World PvP/Questing/Dungeons/Torghast/BGs etc
If you're playing double dps 2s burst comp you're going to get way more use out of maser assassin. might only be 3 seconds after MfD-kidney, but adding a vanish to that burst means 7 solid seconds of 100% crit. And currently as it seems like it's much easier to burst people down I see that it's going to have a lot of value if used correctly. Plus in mythic packs with pre-med it means instant find weakness on everything without burning symbols.
I don't disagree with anything you said! I probably should of clarified better, when I talk in terms of PvP I mostly mean high rated 3v3 arena. 2s is a whole different story. :)
I think it's really situational, depends on what you're going for. I'm mostly doing mythic and 2s so it's the right fit for me, but I think your top choice is definitely better for raids or prolonged 3s arenas.
oh damn im kinda sad now that i picked the Mark of the master assassin :/ RIP, im just into PVE now, what would be the best choice then? Maybe Finality for raiding
Definitely torn between Finality and Akaari's Soul Fragment for which I get first. Do you think its worth making Akaari next week when the memory drops from Torghast in prep for raid, or waiting for Finality from Denathrius? I'll end up making both eventually, but seriously torn on if I use my Soul Ash right away pre raid (and then locking it in regardless of if it gets nerfed) or waiting to see more sims and logs from people... Choices choices. Epic video as usual! Cheers :D
Thanks so much for the feedback! I really am a big fan of single target dps>AoE so Akaari's has me super excited! It also balances into PvP much better than Finality I think! I'd really make your mind up based off of if you want to stand out in raids/tyrannical week more or Mythic+ overall!
I made a MA leggo for 1st item because it’s decent for all rogue specs . I plan on crafting a few rank 1 items before ranking. Are you holding out because you plan to rank up the item?
Hi, can you tell me if ; weapon master can proc out of Akaari's soul fragment ? AND does akaari's soulfragment proc out of the talent "Weapon master" ? I think if yes it may be stronger than Master Assassin's Mark... What do you think about that ? Thank you
Hey there abit off topic here but does the pvp gear Sinful aspirants and Sinful gladiator pieces can be stack? Like there's only one ring being sold at the normal pvp vendor that gives crit/vers(Aspirant) and conquest pvp vendor npc has a similar ring with crit/vers(Gladiator's).
@@Palumor Does it mean they cannot be worn at the same time even tho they have different name? I'm very noob and just started 2 weeks ago ahaha. thank you for your reply. I been watching ur sub rogue guides n tips i find helpful and informative :D
@@ampon1343 glad I can help, and you could always just buy it see if you can wear it with your other one than refund it if not for honor. Just make sure you drag and equip it ontop of the correct one because if you just swap it and equip you won’t be able to refund it.
I went with Master Assassin and it's a lot of fun. The burst in PVP is funny especially when people allow you to reset. In Mythics you easily apply Find Weakness without needing Symbols. Even if this is not the best legendary by numbers, it's probably the most fun. P.S: the legendary suits the best our sub playstyle as it gives unmatched boost in our burst window. I think you are overthinking it. Because of our Kyrian ability, your burst is bonkers, even if you waste Symbol's energy and crit. Might not be suitable for everyone, but if you enjoy picking up stranglers in pvp and down people in a cheap shot, this is the one. With a Vanish up, you can rinse and repeat. I've been using it for the last 4 days and yes it's unrated pvp scene atm, but the FUN part is definitely there.
I definitely think it'd be super fun. I guess I just didn't get that excited over it because I already can ever so easily 100-0 people in 2 seconds without it! I definitely think it has it's purpose and place though! :) Thanks for sharing!
@@Palumor I agree. I think at higher brackets when our re-stealths get limited it will be hard to make use of it. But by then I guess we'd have access to more than one. Thanks for the videos. Keep up the good job, your channel is going places :) just wait and see.
Mark of the Assassin is extremely good in Mythics. You always stealth between trash packs anyway so your opener is always going to hit really hard. Also, it gets the benefit of working with all specs.
Nice video ..thnx for the informations and the help u give ... Are u going to try Assassination anytime soon ?? If yes is there a chance to make a legendary guide for Assassin? Have fun and keep the good work :)
Mark of the Assassin also works with trinket. So for me, i got [Grim Codex] which crits for around 8k. I think the trinket of 1st Nathria Boss hits non crit 9k, would be interesting if you get a 18k crit with it. Trinket doesnt share global cd so you do get an extra dmg output
@@Palumor ah, havent noticed but glad you told me :D Ps. Your videos are great and really informative. Helps someone like me, who just found his way back to wow, enormously. Cheers
if you want to take a look how master assassin behaves take a look at my channel, shit melts within first cheapshot, remember that you open with coldblood then cheap shot - which gives you a cold blood crit instantly along with cheapshot, symbols, shadowdance and shadowstrike can be macroed into one thing not wasting your gcd - you have a second strike here melee are not a value towards gcd - they crit all the time within those 4secs you still have 2 secs to perform kyroblade+pve trinket (i use grimcodex) since pvp trinkets aren't that great yet also remember that shadow blades deal seperate damage on it's own as shadow procs majority of times - target dies within first cheapshot, or enemies are in such panic they throw every defensive cd, so restealthing isn't a big deal, you still have your phial to cleanse bleeds, poisons, etc. so you can restealth without vanish I love that legendary, it empowers literally everything that rogue does
I have to agree with Gaming Mech here, I personally have this legendary and its setup on my Ring, it empowers everything you do, no one has lived through my opener on my macro. As a night elf rogue I can take full advantage of this and have 12 full seconds of 100% crit not including the crit and vers i already have. If those other legendaries make you hit like a truck, this is a full blown train with a nuke strapped to it.
I appreciate the feedback! That sounds great! I still stick by what I say, I think I already have no problems 100-0ing people in a cheapshot without this legendary. I think it's awfully gimmicky and the access to utilize it is really low, between only vanish and your opener (re-stealths too of course). Of course people have chosen to run with this legendary and I think that's fine! Make the most of what you have and you can do some crazy things always! Thanks for the support guys. :) I appreciate all of the opinions and conversation!
A bunch will be good picks. If you're doing JUST PvP, I'd go for maybe MA early on for fun, but later Invigorating Shadowdust for sure will be huge. Also Finality and Akaari might be great eventually in 3v3 for longer games!
First and foremost, randomly found you searching some rogue stuff and I would like to say I appreciate and like your style of content thank you for all that you do.
That actually means a lot to me Jonathan! Thanks for the support. :)
This is my new favorite channel. You never speak down to people and you always do justice to both the game and rogues. Thank you for phenomenal content!
Appreciate you Peter. Thanks for the kind words and the support. I genuinely am so thankful. :)
you are posting videos on the exact topics I start to wonder about and with the perfect timing! Great job on your vids
That's the plan! I try to post on situations that I kind of resolve for myself to help others! If you ever have suggestions let me know. :) Best of luck and thanks for the support!
@@Palumor yea the pacing of his train of thoughts are on point!
For someone that jumps in and out of playing wow, these videos are great. Much more interesting, engaging, and less dry than other guides. Thankyou for posting these.
Thanks so much for the kind words. So happy to help man.
I hope someday there is a compilation from all your intros xDD keep up the good work :3
I just try to run it back normal and something weird always ends up happening!
Been maining rogue for 10+ years and i must say this is the best channel iv'e come across, your'e such a genuine guy with great content. Keep it coming m8.
That's so kind of you, thank you man. :)
Hey Palumor! Just boosted a Rogue to 50 today. Actually im a Lock Main since Legion but the current state of Lock is just meeeh... Thank you for all of your Videos! The Guides are super helpfull!
I just realised how hard it is to perfectly play a Rogue and what insane plays u can make as an Rogue. Thinking about switching to Rogue as a Main since the playstyle looks way more fun and challenging as the Lock one. I will watch every of your Shadowlands Videos and hope I can get my first Gladiator Title with it!
Keep up the good content and im hyped for new videos from you
Thank you so much. That is such an extremely kind comment. I really appreciate you and I'm happy I could help excite you for rogue! Best of luck and thank you for the support!
Lol I loved the intro. Please keep up the great humor and I may become your biggest fan.
I now have 2 fans!
Mark is great for the Anima combo point, vanish one shot cheese. Love the videos, man. Keep up the great work!
Whoops, that's Envenom; assass build lol
Right on man, thanks for the feedback and kind words. I'll be getting MA on Tuesday and making some crazy 1shot openers with it! Maybe in all specs!
I am a new rogue and ask myself these questions every day. I always open TH-cam just to find out you just so happen to answer my question.
In germany we call him ” Ehrenmann ”
Ehre
You guys all rock.
LOL bro I love how you get the intro done and immediately move on. So funny dude
I just found your channel this morning. Newto sub rouge and am learning already. Thanks! Keep doing the lord's work
Thanks for the comment. Glad I can help! :)
Just changed my mind on what legendary I'm crafting first. Thanks man keep it up.
Really happy I can help you decide! I hope you enjoy whatever you go with!
you the best! easily the most informative and to the point WoW rogue clips! Saw that your subs are increasing by the day, let's goooo!
Thanks for the support man. :)
You gotta be the best TH-camr in explaining all this. You give so much helpful information most of these cats a so full of themselves I literally get nautious listening to the. Your good don't let it go to your head a become a douchbag. Love the videos.
Thanks for the feedback man! I come from a personal training background, so it's cool to apply these skills to my WoW game!
Love your take on the master assassin legendary. Very informative on the gimmick behind a two second window of crit
keep the content for rogues coming bro!! learning a lot from you as a new player
That is super cool to hear. So glad I can help, thanks for the support. :)
What’s up brother love the vids. Picked up rogue for the first time in my 12 years playing and have been using your channel to keep up to date with what’s going on with it for SL. I’m a multi class multi r1/glad but as i’ve gotten older I don’t have time to play as much anymore so i’m thankful for people like you who are taking the time to inform the community of the do’s and don’ts 👍
I appreciate it man, thanks for the kind words. :) I'll continue to do my best!
I'm a classic player who started playing a sub rogue in Shadowlands recently and your videos are really helpful :)
There's so much informations to process in retail that it can be really overwhelming for new players.
I bet man. Really happy to help. Thanks so much for the support!
Hey! I just want to say that your channel and content are amazing! Very helpful and simple to understand ! You definitely deserve more subs!
Have a great day!
Thanks so much for the kind words! I appreciate you!
Your vids are so helpful. i thought my AOE dmg was so bad but then i watched ur vid and im killing it now. Thanks bro keep the vidz coming :D THANK YOU
That is the most meaningful comment! I am so happy I can impact your gameplay and help you do better! Thanks for the support man. :)
this guy is pro. im still stuck at trying to get the World Wide Winner achievement. What an animal!
Best gaming intro of all the ones on TH-cam
Been learning a lot from your vids, thanks!
Happy to hear. :)
Great work dude. You're enjoyable to watch and fun. Old Town Rogues ftw
Palumor - Mark of Master Assassin. Think of that opener you did a video on ;) Kyrian Ability, Evisverate and Marked for Death eviscerate all critical hits + any white swings, poisons, or on use trinkets. It's killing people within the first Cheap Shot.
It definitely sounds really cool and fun! The others just seem more powerful overall!
I'd like to draw your attention on the single best use of Mark of the assassin : farming. I crafted the ring with my first 1250 soul ashes since I didn't have Akaari and my goodness what an efficient farmer I am now. You don't open with stun when you farm and going Subterfuge + Weaponmaster is a nice synergy since you basically get 3 or more shadow strikes that crit and kill the mob pretty much instantly. And since you cloak between almost every single mob and tp to the next with shadowstrike, you get a really good amount of value out of the legendary. Other than farmingwise, I really think this legendary is behind and a bit too gimmicky indeed.
I agree with you on the fact that Akaari seems to be the most balanced for pve/pvp. The 25% increase damage is really good.
I'll go for it with my main legendary and keep the ring for my farming sessions.
Good video as usual ! Love how you go straight to the point and speak with sims to back your words.
Man, reading this comment literally gave me butterflies. This is exactly what I want to see in terms of people being creative and instead of just saying things are bad, putting them into a new light. I completely agree, this thing sounds insane for farming. I'm remember back to levelling and re-stealth shadowstriking each mob! Thank you so much for the feedback!
@@Palumor I've just watch your MM+ cleave guide and I have another point to adress :
Going back on the utility of the Mark of the assassin legendary : since you go out of stealth with garanteed crit, you don't need to pop symbols of death right away to apply find weakness on all target. That means your symbols of death can be use after the 6sec mark to reapply find weakness on all target if the cleave situation lasts longer AND you get a nice energy refill when you start to starve on energy. I would say that's another good situation for this legendary power.
I love your videos because you actually think and analyse our different options as rogues without falling into the "omg that suxx" trap.
Side note : I would gladly support you on patreon if you got one, excellent work should be supported. Keep it up man !
@@duconyomi That is so kind of you man! Honestly. That means the world to me, your viewership is very much appreciated as well as your feedback! I definitely agree on the AoE pull, the only thing I'd say is maybe just pop symbols and waste the guaranteed crit because you can grab 15% more damage during the rest! Thanks again though honestly. :)
@@Palumor Hi again !
I’ve run some tests on dummies.
3 targets cleave situation
Talents : 1 / 3 / 2 / 1 / 3 / 3 / 1
180 iLvL / Bloodfury / Shadowblades
Trinkets : Withergrove Shardling + Decanter of Anima-Charged Winds
Legendary : Mark of the assassin
Septis on engage + Instant poison + food buff + flask
DPS
Without SoD on engage : 4.3k / 4.8k / 4.5k / 4.2k / 4.3k
With SoD on engage : 8k / 7.8k / 6.5k / 7.2k / 8.1k
Even with slight differences on rotation execution it WAY better to go for SoD on engage even if the garanteed crit is « wasted ». The 15 % damage increase (buffing Shadowblades also) on all black powder far outweight the benefit of going SoD later.
I stand corrected :)
What you are saying about MA makes sense in theory, but I really feel like you get a lot of initial burst out of a crit for the 5cp evisc then mfd evisc at the tail end of an opener. Imo MA is still the go to since rogue is all about killing ur target or applying big pressure in that initial open.
It definitely is strong and fun, but I'm talking in the big picture of high rated gameplay where people won't die on the opener like in the skirmishes! I personally think MA excels in a ton of places though like BGs/World activies/Torghast etc
Hey Palumar, recently discovered your channel. I love how informative your videos are. Keep up the good work! Subscribed! Also followed you on Twitch.
Thanks so much Devan. Appreciate you man.
Your videos are funny & very informational. Dont ever let the haters get to you. They are just a holes whom got ganked by rogues one too many times
Great video!
Picked Mark for my 1st legendary because it's super versatile for all kids of content. Also in arena you can use rotation (after poping all cds in stealth): Cheap Shot->Echoing Reprimad+Drest or other burst tribket from new raid->Eviscerate->Mark Eviscerate. It will all crit, making it oneshot unless the target trinkets. I think its great for medium mmr.
BUT, I will not upgrade it and pick Shadowdust for competitie arena. That way I will have 1 versatile legendary for all kinds of content and 1 legendary for 2.2k+ 3v3.
Very smart! Glad you are having fun with it haha.
bruh those google search tabs lmfaooooooo
Hahahahaha dude I was just gonna post something about that. I lol’ed as I noticed those.
seems to be a funny joke :) I am sure it is for a reason to make an Easter egg
didnt even realise XDDD
The rogue content I’ve been looking for, keep it coming
Happy to help Logan! Thanks for the support!
Thanks for the guide! Helped a ton. I was wondering if you could make a video on arena CC and survivability type stuff? I for example have the burst down pretty well, but watching one of your vods I was amazed by how organized your stuns and blinds, along with survivability and choosing targets. Anyway good stuff as always!
Right on man. For sure chilling in my stream I can maybe help give a good understanding for the flow of the gameplay. I am 100% going to dive into arena content videos in the future!
1.) Agree with everything in regards to Deathly Shadows. It might end up being an amazing support legendary if a second legendary slot ever opens up.
2.) Finality is the overall best choice for all forms on content in Shadowlands. If you want to perform well in raid, M+ and Arena go for Finality. I also don't quite understand the logic behind the burst vs sustain thing. It's pretty normal to get two eviscerates off per stun DR, so the additional 25% damage every stun DR just from Eviscerate is nice and the additional 25% damage from Rupture is obviously a bonus for both your stun DR go and helps with the lack of sustained damage.
3.) Akaari's is an awful idea in PvP. Cheap Shot->Akaari's broke a ton of CC in Legion even when your mage/hunter played around it. It also extends the combat timer sometimes which can lead to dropped saps. I wouldn't even craft this as a raider is I can't imagine the slight DPS increase over Finality is going to net you a kill on prog. I could see it being useful for healer/rogue 2's however as the ST damage is very high.
4.) Agreed with everything you said about the Rotten
5.) If the meta ever slows down, I suspect Invigorating will end up being BiS for arena in most scenarios. There are way too many synergies, some of which I'd prefer not to talk about publicly.
6.) Agreed with everything you said about Bloodfang.
And then the elephant in the room is Mark of the Master Assassin. And I actually agree with you, I don't think it's going to end up being very good. The reason I crafted it early isn't because I think it'll be really strong in PvP, but I expect Subtlety to get nerfed in both PvP and PvE, so I wanted a neutral legendary for the other specs and it's just an easy to use legendary for all forms of content.
EDIT: If I was in a progression environment, I would not craft any legendary until after the HC tuning pass that's sure to come.
However, at this current moment in time, and if pacing does not change, it is far and gone BiS for Arena.
With Dreadfire and Skulker's Wing coming out of the raid, the synergy it has with this Legendary is unreal. When paired with Writhing Spine (a previous expansion trinket which has been BiS for rogues for 319 days), you can do 20k damage in a single globally pretty trivially (Cheap Shot->symbols + dance + blades + echoing + drest). Considering Skulker's Wing and Dreadfire are straight powercreep on Writhing Spine, it's going to get stronger: not weaker.
However, I can't imagine this ever sticking. I really do think that people who crafted Mark of the Master Assassin for the sole purpose of spam one shotting people all season will end up disappointed. But right now, there's no competition except maybe at the very top 0.001%. If nothing changes however, it will end up far and gone BiS as on-use trinkets not being on the GCD allows this legendary to do disgusting things.
Getting restealths isn't particularly hard, though it has a lot of negatives attached to it. And if this were to end up the meta you will get HOUNDED when you go for restealths as the power of a 100% Crit opener being spammed is beyond broken.
Mark of the Master Assassin is a great legendary if you want a neutral legendary for all specs, but if the sole point is for Arena, I think once nerfs roll out it will be strictly worse than Invigorating or Finality. If you're an actual Sub one trick who does all forms of content, Finality is a really amazing option.
Also on a side note:
Cheap Shot (4s remaining) -> Echoing (3s remaining) -> Shadowstrike (2s remaining) -> Evic (1s remaining) -> Shadowstrike (0s) remaining is actually 5 GCD's into it. This is irrelevant, as you actually have to press stun against the majority of players instead of a last Shadowstrike, but MFD Kidney might actually be superior on those players anyways.
I read your entire post and I want to say thank you. This is great and exactly what I want in the comments here. You actually opened my eyes a lot talking about Akaari's in regards to CC breaking and combat delays. Really interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing, and I'll definitely maybe be considering Finality over Akaari's now! We'll see what comes!
@@Palumor ugh note to self rereading it, I shouldn't write long write ups after being awake for 30h
I agree with most of what you are saying but they have nerfed both Skulker's Wing and Dreadfire by 55 %, cant see it being better than two pvp trinket set bonus?
@@NM-vj8nc Drest has also already been nerfed, and it's still insane. These trinkets will most likely just be strictly better versions of the trinket even with the nerfs.
Also unless the 40% increased Versatility does not adhere to diminishing returns for some reason, that set bonus will continue to get worse over the course of the expansion. You should actually see the results of that near the end of this season (or even middle).
EDIT: Even now, in a sustained game Badge seems to outperform the Drest trinket. The problem is that if stronger trinkets with the same mechanic are introduced, the MA legendary + rogue kit ensures that you have crazy on demand damage in one GCD, which will almost always outweigh the overall damage bonus.
Man you make these videos on crazy good timing just what i needed.
Can you also make a video on what consumables, enchant etc rogues needs for the upcoming raid like everything. It will probs draw in more viewers if you do it b4 the raid as many are Kinda lost when it comes to this.
I did actually record that video, and I never uploaded it because I was afraid it might not be very helpful! I can definitely re-cover these things though and get that up!
I've been using MoA first weeks and just got my Finality from raids. Can confirm MoA has great burst potential in early mythics til around 7 and starts to fall off as packs last longer. Finality clearly wins in higher levels. However in pvp MoA is extremely powerful, especially in battlegrounds. Even in arena I can often open on one of the enemy squishies and kill them with a 30-40k in the blink of an eye before the healer has started casting. In battlegrounds hopping in and out of stealth between each kill and jumping to people to shred them open in seconds. Plus restealths with vanish & shadowmeld, it gives you potentially 3 opens on one person with 100% crit rate eviscerates.
Absolutely agree with all of this! Especially after changes to Echoing Reprimand damage, PvP might need to rely on MA crits more for evis to carry dmg!
This is basically my opinion. Ma was good at the start of mythic plus but my dps was dropping when I was reaching higher keys so now have finality which gives your consistent dps in higher keys. Ma is still my choice for all pvp at the moment. With the amount of restealths you can get it’s a no brainier for burst. With night fae would be even better for escaping situations and re stealth
@@Baggiolyful Exactly, however I would like to add to my statement above. Now that I've had further experience with all M+ 15+ I can confirm MA does have its place. For dungeons with large pack size like SoA or Mists, or outliers like NW where u can use all the weapons with MA and do 100k+ dps :D Finality although a good safe bet, keeps your dps at a capped number, and will never raise above that. However MA gets those high burst peaks, coupled with a mage finishing the packs off, they go down swiftly! I would definitely recommend Finality for single target heavy M+ like TOP.
@@pepsipwns666 yh i understand your point. I’m only just doing m+9/10 atm
So sounds like your more experienced. My logic was thinking that bigger keys mean mobs have bigger hp and the fights are generally longer. finality would give you the consistency in longer fights but with ma it drops 4s after stealth then surely your dps starts to go down. With finality it will just level but at higher dps ?. I haven’t used finality long enough yet to really see.
You’re going places bro. Keep it up!
I appreciate your support honestly! Thank you.
I totally agree with your opinion. I've been playing rogue for a long time. On retail with a minimum gear, we have enough crit to not use this 100% crit legendary effect. Constant dps is always more viable than fancy irregular procs. 🤘
There’s some value to that. You can probably benefit more from other legendaries in certain situations. But IMO for consistency in pvp the 100% crit leg is unbeatable just for the consistent burst. I haven’t tried the soul fragment yet but it sounds not far off. Finality should be the best for pve because of the amount of damaging finish moves you will do eviscerate and black powder.
100% crit is not an irregular proc as well ?
@@Baggiolyful agreed for pvp since the rogue sub has been lightly nerfed.
Yh it’s just a shame you can’t use the full benefit of the legendary. When you cheap shot symbols shadow dance shadow strike. You first shadow would crit anyway from symbols but your next shadow and eviscerate would crit in the last 2 secs if your good timing. Which is still huge for burst.
I didn't read the patch note but the last time I played my rogue I felt like the damages were not what it is was at release.
New favorite channel! Love your humour my dude. Got a new sub from me!
Appreciate you! :)
Nice Video as always Bro thats the Rouge Content in looking for
Happy I can do that for you. :)
Considering you are critting 2 x 5 combo point evis, mark of the master assasins absolutely gives you the most in burst windows . Remember this also applys to your active trinket cuz it off GCD
Yeah I know! Once Bliz hotfixes drest this will become a lot more irrelevant though. Don't get me wrong MA is funny and cool, it's just not realistic at high end arena that's all. It's too gimmicky, players will stop re-stealths. There will be little value imo.
im gonna tell you a secret, it doesnt matter which legendary u choose, u will still kill people before cheap shot ends *mindblown*
This is how I feel! Sub rogue busted!
Quit crying people....rets one shot, warriors, hunters etc etc, everyone has burst potential, and the game is fast paced dont rush to nerf a class and make it dog shit until the next xpac.....
Wait... they’re rogues? 🔫 Always has been.
No one noticed the Chrome tabs? Cmon xD
You could stack the first legendary with the 45 second cool down on vanish conduit at the trade of 15% health so for pve that one could actually be pretty solid
That's a super interesting combo! Thanks for putting your idea in here!
literally started playing sub last week after coming from aff lock so thank you for all the content man
So happy to help! Thanks for the support!
Great breakdown...
I went with the Master Assassin.
It can go on either wrist or ring. I put it on a wrist piece with versatility and mastery, instead of ring. A wrist has agility, where a ring does not have primary stat. You can then get both the pvp honor ring and upgrade it and the conquest ring for stacking more versatility and mastery. Stacking versatility and mastery, combined with 100% crit makes you burst pretty hard. Also, since your openers will crit, you can save symbols/ echoing reprimand until the Master Assassin but drops, just as your song up your second stun. It's also great for blasting mobs in open world and mythics, since you are constantly restealthing.
Also, I had master assassin burning a hole in my bag. I don't have akaari or finality...lol... working with what I got.
Lmao I feel you!
@@Palumor I'm rocking my MA wrist and loving it. Now, I just got Akaari drop from Torghast.. I'm considering adding it as a 2nd leggo, as opposed to just upgrading my MA wrist to rank 2. decisions decisions...
@@liquidmojo1439 I am going to grab MA next week and run it in double rogue 2s, very excited lol. I wouldn't stress it too much, Akaari's 210 is nice but nothing too fun!
@@Palumor tidbit that I just realized, maybe this is obvious, but you can only equip one legendary at a time... lol. I was thinking of stacking MA and Akaari, but apparently that isn't a thing.. lol
@@liquidmojo1439 Ah lol yea. In legion 2 legendaries was a thing but they're back to 1!
Great videos man, keep them coming.
Thanks for the support!
Keep up with this amazing work bro!
Thanks so much Hugo! I appreciate you.
[From a PVP perspective only] One thing that needs to be considered is that MA will make echoing reprimand crit as well and since it hits like a truck right now you can potentially get a kill in the opener. Akaari is probably a safer bet but when the season comes out lots of people will be in weak gear and if you can get a little bit ahead those one shot opportunities are really nice. Just something to consider!
I agree for sure, but that's the point in symbols of death! You can already guarantee it's crit! You're only missing on like 2-3crits at most! Thanks for the feedback though.
Hey man.. you did great job with this overview and you made me a smile with the funny chrome window... 😅😅 Thank you!
Haha, thanks for the support Shepherd. :)
love the diversity in your intros!
I love u watermelon
This kind of channels are those which I like a lot xD
Thanks Antonio lol. I appreciate you!
Feedback on the video: For each legendary, you should have opened with the tooltip for said legendary and then gone over to the sims stats.
As for Mark of the Master Assassin, you missed the best part. I agree that 2 secs are kinda wasted of the bat, but they key is the two eviscerates at the end, the first one from kyr abi + cheap shot, the second one from Marked for Death. That's two 5x combo points eviscerates with 100% crit, which is absolutely brutal.
As for the Akaari's soul fragment, you did mention that it does make shadowstrike hit 25% harder permanently, what I'm wondering is if you hit 2x shadowstrikes, will the first 2 sec timer get cancelled out by the second 2 sec timer? If so, that's a lot of missed damage. But yes, it does seems quite good.
As for your channel, I think it's great, I first found your sub rogue opener video and it's helped a ton going from panic pressing all the abilities to try to follow your format.
That is an interesting point. If they just cancel out each other then it feels bad man.
I understood Akari's to mean you get an automatic shadowstrike applied 2 secs later at 1/4 the damage it normally does...that's what I thought they meant by 25% effectiveness....so wouldn't it just be a free little DPS with the combo points that comes with as well?
Absolutely, I don't know if you'll get combo points too though! I'm not sure
Hear me out, I am currently playing Marks of the Masters Assassin and its low key broken. I am consistently hitting 33k (close to 40k with dresagath) in that 4 second window with the following abilities: stealth>cheap shot>shadow dance> shadowstrike>shadowstrike>symbols of death>eviscerate>mark of death>eviscerate>echoing reprimand. Usually when your using echoing reprimand at the end you are out of the 4 second window but since you casted symbols of death mid sequence and still have not used a combo point generator it will always crit. This is also without using shadow blades so it can slap even harder than 40k. Also, something that you are leaving out is that it is easier to restealth than ever before if playing kirian. You can use summon steward vial to remove all dots which are usually the only thing holding you back from restealthing. I recommend you give it a try and let us know what you think after :)
its better to shadowblades, symbols, cheap, shadowdance, echoing reprimand, evis, marked for death, evis, that takes u 2 seconds and does between 30-40k
@@NETTNobviously Agreed, my point was to show how crazy good it is even without your strongest ability active. Although, i believe you are wasting a GCD by not using echoing after the 4 second window. It will always crit with symbols so there is not point of using it in that window of time.
@@michaelupperco7335 I use it so I can evis marked evis and I wanna keep time in the 4sec stun to either smoke, cloak, or react to any thing around me, but up to you how you do it
First, thank you so much for the feedback. I'm loving all of the different ideas/opinions bouncing around in here. I personally still stick by what I stated. I think MA is definitely gimmicky and you'll fail to utilize it to it's full potential! Someone else had commented mentioning how it's super cool for world questing/farming and I think that's absolutely good. Maybe even Torghast as well! I just don't see this lasting in PvP long term! I do like your idea of pointing out the Kyrian vial as well though! Something to keep in mind for sure. :)
Another great video. Keep it up my man!
Thanks Kevin, I appreciate you.
heya just a thought on mark of the assassin, i'm finding a lot of use of it in torghast as well as there are some things you can do there in terms of doing damage with non combo point generators and just stay stealth for 100% crit. Also symbols is only for generators, you can't pop symbols and crit an eviscerate which is where the big damage is. Burst combo with bastian skill is insane with it. shadowblades symbols and shadowdance up, your echoing reprimand hits for over 12k with one button and then an empowered eviscerate after that you're pushing 20k with 2 globals
Yeah it’s super good, no doubt. Just not for serious endgame content like high rated 3v3 or mythic raiding!
Love the videos bud - great great content.
Iam gonna use MA mainly for mythic+ so I was wondering if you ever want crit on your gear, it should be the go to stat from what ive read. But it become "useless" with MA, right?
I guess if you're re-stealthing every pull it definitely loses heaps of value! I'd say maybe prio mastery then! :)
Your guides just speak to me, keep em coming! Any chance of a soulbind video?
Your videos are really good, thanks TH-cam algorithm.
So happy to hear that.
Which do you thing is the best slot for the akaari legendary? Hand or head? BTW love your channel!
Head will give better main stats! Thanks so much Niels for the support man. I appreciate you!
I picked up mark of the master assassin since I'm mainly interested in m+. I proc it plenty often but am still figuring out what exactly to do with it. 4 globals isn't a lot. First shadowstrike gets buffed, great. Then shuriken storm to spread find weakness, a fat black powder, shuriken storm and then its over already. Do I use symbols to buff my damage or save it for when find weakness falls off? Guess it depends on how long the pack is going to live. I'm also necrolord trying to run emeni's (because its fun, and plenty of resets in m+) but I can't waste a free crit global on bone spike. After shadow dance runs out I can always bonespike -> vanish -> aoe burst again if its a particularly beefy pack.
Is marked for death off the gcd? Cuz then maybe you could shuriken storm, black powder, mfd, blackpowder. And that'd be some fat aoe burst.
It is off the GCD! - And to answer your question about popping symbols, this is the awkward situation I don't want to be in, and why I'm not running MA! I think personally it's worth popping it stacked with your guranteed MA crit for the 15% dmg buff! I hope this helps man. Good luck! If you have any more questions, let me know. :)
@@Palumor Theres also shrunken tornado. If its 5 targets you could honestly skip the shadowstrike and exit stealth with tornado and get 3 buffed black powders off
Really hope akaari’s soul fragment is good in pvp, liking it more than the other viable ones. I see a lot of people running mark of the master assassin, but I think it just doesn’t help much when you don’t get to re-stealth.
I agree! MA seems to own in 2v2 right now but things could scale a ton with healers and more stam.
@@Palumor MA Mark post nerf, where do you think it is even less viable than your original opinion? If you do what is the other viable sub pvp Legendaries?
The shiv one seems fun for pvp just because of the bonus of the offhand poison effect, doing about the same dmg as a backstab, but maybe is not worth the spot of a leggo so it’s kind of a tough choice
would you use "mark of the master assassin" just for open-world content? for questing and so. wat would be the better one for big dps opener?
Absolutely MA for that! MA is best for big burst openers but it's unreliable in things like 3v3 arena.
I adapted the one button kill macro to work with nightfae despite not knowing how to play rogue...
/castsequence reset=14 Cold Blood(Pvp Talent), Shadow Blades,Cheap Shot,Shadow Dance,Symbols of Death,Shadowstrike,Gloomblade,Sepsis,Eviscerate,Marked for Death,Eviscerate,Cheap Shot,Gloomblade,Rupture
That's what I have for it. It's still wip so I need to work on it. in no means am I a pro in macro construction or rogues in general.
Hi! I have a question. I just Leveled my rouge sub rouge up to 60 today and choose Night Fae as my covenant because it's supposed to be good in Pve situations which is what iv'e mainly played so far. But i'm thinking of getting into some PvP aswell and am thinking on changing to Kyrian because of that. My question is, is Kyrian viable in Mythic plus and raids aswell or is there a huge difference between Night fae an Kyrian. The thing is I don't want to change to Kyrian and level it up and then maybe get bored of Pvp and have to change back to Night fae cause it isn't good enough for pve.
Sorry if it don't make sense I'm tired as hell and english isn't my first language! :)
Your English is GREAT! Night Fae and Kyrian are both amazing for PvE! Kyrian definitely stands out in PvP so I'd say if you like playing both PvE and PvP Kyrian is worth it!
My reason for going master assassin is i can hopefully force trinket + defensive in the opener without shadow blades, letting me use it for my second burst instead. Any thoughts on that?
Also gr8 video btw
Interesting idea for sure! I think overall it's not useless, just the others might find more value!
Really liked your reasoning behind pvp aspect of the Mark of the Master Assassin legendary. I just don’t have the proper arena experience yet and the opener rotations seem too daunting to slowly get better. It’s a lot at first sight. I did craft MA, and for world content it is amazing. Any mob you get the drop on in is instantly melted. In dungeons the tank has to let you restealth, but I’m easily top of the damage meters. Wondering how that is gonna hold up on higher keys though
Thanks for the feedback and yeah it seems like it'd be insanely fun honestly in Torghast/WPvP/Dungeons/BGs etc but I'm holding off!
Palumor, which legendary do you think is a safe first pick for mythic+ and raiding and a little bit of pvp also? I was thinking about getting finality to be honest but your pick on Akari kinda confused me!
I think Akaari's/Finality are both super safe picks! Even MA is not terrible honestly. :) Don't overthink it and have fun George!
@@Palumor Mark of the assassin opener please? Single target and m+
I think Mark o fthe master assassin is a great one for battlegrounds when you are getting back into stealth to pick targets of opportunity. Great for guaranteed burst when you need it.
Absolutely, might do an updated one soon!
Love your videos, I decided to use Master Assassin myself for the flat guaranteed crit. Been treating me well
Glad to hear! It definitely has an epic use!
@@Palumor it's not the best choice but I switch between outlaw and sub a lot and I feel like it's an alright first leggy for me. Going to primarily run M+, Battlegrounds and open world PvP for a quick burst
@@9IX6IX Yeah honestly! I think MA in BGs+Torghast or honestly any type of solo gameplay would be insane for it to be useful. I'm jelly, I definitely want to try it but I must wait!
soo did I get this right...you can craft multiple legendaries but only wear 1 at a time?
Absolutely! :)
Palumor, I'm a human, Which trinket should I use for PvP?, I keep bouncing between the medallion and the Brooch
The on-use badge will give most value imo. I'm messing around with grim codex from M0 right now for more burst with ER! :) Hope this helps David.
Im glad we have the same questions in mind @ 3:42 :)
yoo i completely agree with you on the crit legendary! first person ive heard who really has a good opinion on why its bad. I think it will be very good early in the season though, but i think later on the vanish one will be better, tell me what u think :)
I absolutely agree!
@@Palumor Is the vanish memory is next pick?
Another great video papa❤️
Appreciate the video. With regards to mark of assassin, if you symbol pre-opener, open with a MFD 5 pt kidney, you can get 2 SS and an Evisc off in the window. Not sure that gives it more weight, but symbols and shadowblades are off GCD and shouldnt factor in to a GCD
Don't get me wrong! This legendary is super cool and insanely bursty, I just think in the big overview of arena it won't see as much success. It sounds insane in World PvP/Questing/Dungeons/Torghast/BGs etc
If you're playing double dps 2s burst comp you're going to get way more use out of maser assassin. might only be 3 seconds after MfD-kidney, but adding a vanish to that burst means 7 solid seconds of 100% crit. And currently as it seems like it's much easier to burst people down I see that it's going to have a lot of value if used correctly. Plus in mythic packs with pre-med it means instant find weakness on everything without burning symbols.
I don't disagree with anything you said! I probably should of clarified better, when I talk in terms of PvP I mostly mean high rated 3v3 arena. 2s is a whole different story. :)
I think it's really situational, depends on what you're going for. I'm mostly doing mythic and 2s so it's the right fit for me, but I think your top choice is definitely better for raids or prolonged 3s arenas.
@@MattChez I completely agree!
oh damn im kinda sad now that i picked the Mark of the master assassin :/ RIP, im just into PVE now, what would be the best choice then? Maybe Finality for raiding
Finality is definitely looking to be the best balanced pick! Akaari’s looking stronger single target though!
Go Subterfuge talent to make more use of Mark of the Master Assassin
Could the 350% shiv damage combo with the symbols guaranteed crit seeing as it becomes a point generator? That damage could be nasty..
I was thinking the same thing lol! That's why I didn't completely abandon the idea!
Definitely torn between Finality and Akaari's Soul Fragment for which I get first. Do you think its worth making Akaari next week when the memory drops from Torghast in prep for raid, or waiting for Finality from Denathrius?
I'll end up making both eventually, but seriously torn on if I use my Soul Ash right away pre raid (and then locking it in regardless of if it gets nerfed) or waiting to see more sims and logs from people...
Choices choices. Epic video as usual! Cheers :D
Thanks so much for the feedback! I really am a big fan of single target dps>AoE so Akaari's has me super excited! It also balances into PvP much better than Finality I think! I'd really make your mind up based off of if you want to stand out in raids/tyrannical week more or Mythic+ overall!
really like your attitude, were in it together!
Yes we are Kevin! Go rogues!
I made a MA leggo for 1st item because it’s decent for all rogue specs . I plan on crafting a few rank 1 items before ranking. Are you holding out because you plan to rank up the item?
That sounds exciting grats! To answer your question though, no! I'm just waiting for access to other Legendaries in Torghast/Raid!
Thanks dor the videos, Im brazilian fan here, you videos help me alot
Go Brazil! Thanks for your support. :)
Hi, can you tell me if ; weapon master can proc out of Akaari's soul fragment ?
AND does akaari's soulfragment proc out of the talent "Weapon master" ?
I think if yes it may be stronger than Master Assassin's Mark...
What do you think about that ?
Thank you
I thought about that! I am not sure but I believe it doesn’t!
@@Palumor Can you try please ? i would like to know before crafting
And right now which legendary would you advice ? I saw you play master assassin now..
No but master assassin is too good anyway (pvp)
Hey there abit off topic here but does the pvp gear Sinful aspirants and Sinful gladiator pieces can be stack? Like there's only one ring being sold at the normal pvp vendor that gives crit/vers(Aspirant) and conquest pvp vendor npc has a similar ring with crit/vers(Gladiator's).
I believe they're unique man! Best of luck though.
@@Palumor Does it mean they cannot be worn at the same time even tho they have different name? I'm very noob and just started 2 weeks ago ahaha. thank you for your reply.
I been watching ur sub rogue guides n tips i find helpful and informative :D
@@ampon1343 glad I can help, and you could always just buy it see if you can wear it with your other one than refund it if not for honor. Just make sure you drag and equip it ontop of the correct one because if you just swap it and equip you won’t be able to refund it.
@@Palumor Ohh right there's a refund system, thanks good sir ill try that out
@@ampon1343 Best of luck dude!
I made akari last night and got flamed so hard for not making the crit one as I had gotten both same day but now I'm happy with my decision :)
I also got my Akaari's last night! Feels good finally.
I went with Master Assassin and it's a lot of fun. The burst in PVP is funny especially when people allow you to reset. In Mythics you easily apply Find Weakness without needing Symbols. Even if this is not the best legendary by numbers, it's probably the most fun.
P.S: the legendary suits the best our sub playstyle as it gives unmatched boost in our burst window. I think you are overthinking it. Because of our Kyrian ability, your burst is bonkers, even if you waste Symbol's energy and crit.
Might not be suitable for everyone, but if you enjoy picking up stranglers in pvp and down people in a cheap shot, this is the one. With a Vanish up, you can rinse and repeat. I've been using it for the last 4 days and yes it's unrated pvp scene atm, but the FUN part is definitely there.
I definitely think it'd be super fun. I guess I just didn't get that excited over it because I already can ever so easily 100-0 people in 2 seconds without it! I definitely think it has it's purpose and place though! :) Thanks for sharing!
@@Palumor I agree. I think at higher brackets when our re-stealths get limited it will be hard to make use of it.
But by then I guess we'd have access to more than one. Thanks for the videos.
Keep up the good job, your channel is going places :) just wait and see.
@@esportbets Thanks so much for the support. :)
The high rated arena pun was great lol
I felt bad flexing so hard, but people need to know I'm reliable. :)
You think it could be worth taking the talent that reduces vanish cd by 45 sec to go with the 20 sec reduced cd one?
Tried it in double rogue 2s, it doesn't seem too great!
@@Palumor I'm thinking in 3s with a healer it might be better. I don't know, it's one I want to test out for sure.
@@Sirstealthsalot Yeah for sure. Best of luck. Try not to get 1shot too much fellow Rogue.
Mark of the Assassin is extremely good in Mythics. You always stealth between trash packs anyway so your opener is always going to hit really hard. Also, it gets the benefit of working with all specs.
Yeah for sure it can work well!
Does Akkari give you combo points too? Or just the 25% damage
Just damage I believe, or I think that might be too insane! lmao
finality empowered kyrian eviscerates would feel insane i think
Oh I bet, that one's going to be nuts!
Nice video ..thnx for the informations and the help u give ... Are u going to try Assassination anytime soon ?? If yes is there a chance to make a legendary guide for Assassin?
Have fun and keep the good work :)
I for sure could! I am messing with Outlaw for now on the side!
@@Palumor I will look forward for ur videos man :)
Mark of the Assassin also works with trinket. So for me, i got [Grim Codex] which crits for around 8k. I think the trinket of 1st Nathria Boss hits non crit 9k, would be interesting if you get a 18k crit with it. Trinket doesnt share global cd so you do get an extra dmg output
Potentially really cool! Keep in mind PvP trinkets get mad nerfed in arena. My codex only hits for about 1k in there!
@@Palumor ah, havent noticed but glad you told me :D
Ps. Your videos are great and really informative. Helps someone like me, who just found his way back to wow, enormously. Cheers
@@yazu1624 thanks so much for that. I appreciate your support. I am so happy I can help.
if you want to take a look how master assassin behaves take a look at my channel, shit melts within first cheapshot,
remember that you open with coldblood then cheap shot - which gives you a cold blood crit instantly along with cheapshot, symbols, shadowdance and shadowstrike can be macroed into one thing not wasting your gcd - you have a second strike here
melee are not a value towards gcd - they crit all the time within those 4secs
you still have 2 secs to perform kyroblade+pve trinket (i use grimcodex) since pvp trinkets aren't that great yet
also remember that shadow blades deal seperate damage on it's own as shadow procs
majority of times - target dies within first cheapshot, or enemies are in such panic they throw every defensive cd, so restealthing isn't a big deal, you still have your phial to cleanse bleeds, poisons, etc. so you can restealth without vanish
I love that legendary, it empowers literally everything that rogue does
I have to agree with Gaming Mech here, I personally have this legendary and its setup on my Ring, it empowers everything you do, no one has lived through my opener on my macro. As a night elf rogue I can take full advantage of this and have 12 full seconds of 100% crit not including the crit and vers i already have. If those other legendaries make you hit like a truck, this is a full blown train with a nuke strapped to it.
@@ygortaufner4867 can you copy paste the macro to me please im new to wow!
I appreciate the feedback! That sounds great! I still stick by what I say, I think I already have no problems 100-0ing people in a cheapshot without this legendary. I think it's awfully gimmicky and the access to utilize it is really low, between only vanish and your opener (re-stealths too of course). Of course people have chosen to run with this legendary and I think that's fine! Make the most of what you have and you can do some crazy things always! Thanks for the support guys. :) I appreciate all of the opinions and conversation!
Could you share this macro with me? I suck at making macro's
@@Vyomesh839
Opener macro
#showtooltip Shadowstrike
/cast [nocombat] !Stealth
/cast [stealth] Cold Blood
/cast [stealth] Cheap Shot
/cast [nostealth] Symbols of Death
/cast [stance:0] Shadow Dance
/cast [stance:2] Shadowstrike
/cast [stance:0] Backstab
all buffs macro:
#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast [nocombat] !Stealth
/use [nostealth] 13 (trinket)
/cast [nostealth] Shadow Blades
/cast [nostealth] Blood Fury(Racial)
/cast [nostealth] Echoing Reprimand (kyrian covenant ability)
I wish we could see some other guides on the other covenants and or some stuff on raiding for rogue when you can!
Absolutely down the road man. For right now I'm really working to stay on top of sub and branching to outlaw/assa when I can!
IM doing strictly pvp this season, so should I just get Akaari?
A bunch will be good picks. If you're doing JUST PvP, I'd go for maybe MA early on for fun, but later Invigorating Shadowdust for sure will be huge. Also Finality and Akaari might be great eventually in 3v3 for longer games!