omg thats actually very nice ship lol. im suck at making ships but my imagination is basicly fighting that sucky building of mine. i want to make good ones and i never thought of making external first and then go internal. because i was good at space engineers and now 1x1x1 blocks idea is actually very neat. thank you so much for putting alot of effort into this video to explain both visually and with words.
This was the first ship modelling video I saw for Avorion, so despite playing for 230 hrs in game, I never attempted something like this... I gotta say, wow... When you're inside that giant hollow fuselage putting down structure supports, I doesn't even feel like you're playing Avorion anymore. Kinda reminds me of the inside scene of a Borg cube from Star Trek. Gotta try this sometime. Great video, very helpful!
Fantastic video, it's nothing too long winded nor complicated. As someone who's enthusiastic with the game but has only just begun to make larger ships, this video has given me some insights on how I should go about it (my last build kept getting incredibly awkward gaps and misalignments as it neared completion). Some people might say that you delivered the information too quickly and briefly but for a good majority of people looking for a tutorial to build bigger ships, we're not familiar enough to get into more complex details- and given how long making ships can take, the prospect of watching several hours of building tutorials comes across as daunting. Cool beans.
Ooh I've never seen this approach before! That explains how people can create those very smooth designs! I usually go with a modular design where I make a bunch of hull pieces that slot together. They're filled with scaffolds and have integrity field generators already installed. And I can easily build many different ships by putting them together in different ways.
To be honest with you, I purchased this game last week and jumped straight in only to request a refund an hour later. I just couldn't wrap my head around the building system and/or anything about the game really. I have since purchased the game again and I am now giving it another chance and this tutorial is one of the best I've watched so far (in regards to general ship-design anyways).
that part whit the aliment you can completely avoid if you keep track of the block sizes basically avoiding stuff that cant be divided by 2 like 1.15 for example
voxel software sounds neat. thought: when doing the conversion, can you do this twice, but tell the second to be 1 or 2 blocks slimmer, and then subtract the smaller from the larger and make it a different material in the process...thus saving lots of fiddling
This is great, especially considering that my ship is an armor-shelled cube, and thus nowhere near even the "from this" design level. At least the Borg would be proud.
Man's really good, just got into the game myself. had no idea about the voxel generator I'm going to look into it more. Also noticed that the video speed makes you sound like you just did a couple lines of blow, lol.
This an advanced building tut for making triple-A game quality ships but there is much easier way to build. You dont have to start at master level :) here th-cam.com/video/VKD9em_8Vt4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=GARY007 is a simple starting tut that can turn out decent 1990 style ships :)
@@lordmaddog6003 Na i got that and you did a very good job at explaining things, I just dont have the available time to make something like this. Was hoping for maybe a shortcut to save a lot of time lol.
The key is blocking it out first. It takes time but if you get the basic shape right others can help you if you run into any problems smoothing it out. Some things to remember 1 use 1by1 HULL blocks for basic block out 2 after basic block out use 1 and 2 ARMORED corner blocks to smooth out. 3 if you get misalignment peel back a few blocks and try again if the problem persists ask for help on discord. 4 Once smoothed out and looking good delete the hull blocks of the basic block out then place IFG and fill the inside with framework. After that, it's all Deco and personal test GL :)
I think the "smaller thrusters creating more power" was back in the day, when the thruster measured surface area in direction of intended action. This lead to players slicing the thrusters in thin layers. Today, it no longer matters - afaik. (At least I seem to get exactly the same numbers sliced or not)
I know that use to be the case. In fact, it used to be surface area, not mass that mattered. However, some say that when thrusters get to large they start having less of an effect. some even go as far as to color their thrusters different colors so they don't combine. If they do start losing efficiency at larger sizes though I have never tested because they are talking about 1k+ giant ships and I don't build that large.
I think surface area makes a difference for thrusters. Multiple blocks have more surface area than one block using the same volume. I would have to experiment but that sounds like what is going on. So don't always combine.
so this video basically gave me the foundations to how to build good looking ships in this game. the thing is i dont know how you made it have light in the inside. I am building my ship out of titanium (since i dont have any other material) and even with glowing blocks in the inside it is still dark. Any tips??
9:17 Integrity field generators are the light source in my Tut. You always place them first when doing internals makes things a million times easier :) Its is also why I use framework to fill out the inside then convert it later: it allows the light from the IFG through it. On a side note turning off shadows in the graphic settings can help a lot as well and if you are still having problems go into a single-player creative game and find a sector that is bright. Also just in case, you did not know you can easily change the material of your entire ship with a few clicks.
Every time I try to build a ship larger than a VW Bug, i get "NOT ENOUGH PROCESSING POWER" nonsense. Everything I can find says adding "Functional Blocks" increases processing power but its BS, it just uses it up. I can find the stat for how much I have but I can't even find where it says how much is used up as I add components, it just runs out eventually and the ship gets no bigger.
So I'm not super far into this video and I'm not watching as I can only listen and use voice to text controls on my phone but I wanted to add a note about one very valuable technique that I have and that is subtractive building... To clarify this method utilizes volumes created of minimum desired block sizes and essentially you just subtract or delete blocks from that volume to create the shape that you want this can be done by rotating the camera and using the selection tool to create lines and can be used with other lines to create more complex and subtle forms. Note that this can be done two dimensionally or three dimensionally by creating slices instead of full 3d volumes of blocks. Oftentimes it's very useful to just set up essentially an ex and a y in a z array that you can then subtract from to define the general intended layout. Once you do that it's not too complicated to connect those regions in a free-form way by just placing blocks in the grid where you would like them to be in stringing them together at which point of course you can go back and subtract from that as well leaving what is essentially the wire frame. After all that you can go through and fill volumes if you like or you can just complete a shell or you can smooth and finish surfaces and framework by adding in the other more complicated shapes to fill rather quickly if you utilize the match block buttons like shift all control or whatever it might... It's funny how easy it is to get sucked in to creating things in this game and very difficult or inefficient ways only to take a step back and see that you could have done it in a completely different way and saved a lot of effort and had equivalent or better results. Realistically the most important thing is suggest no what the type of blocks required to be efficient such as thrusters need to be towards the outside and things like gyros need to be near the center and to account for things like field integrity block placement and what that can do for you if you compartmentalize regions so that you can have a certain amount of ablation should you so desire... It really is pretty cool what some of the systems in this game can allow for it. Anyway thanks and I'll probably have more to ramble on about later LOL if anybody learned anything from this long-winded comment please just say hi and tell me what it was as I'm curious about how people build in this game and what they already know or whatever blah blah blah XD
Oh yeah bears mentioning the significance of the utility of block placement when setting down to design your ship... If you align placement to the voxel grid and you always have a consistent block size then you should have very few alignment issues utilizing the method that I spoke of in the previous comment. That said all of the placement methods have their own merit and utility and definitely deserve to be played with a little bit.
starting off your video in that weird voice over, and sounding like you just took a line of coke made me want to turn off the video.. however seems like you got some good info, so thank you.. but really the voice man...
Integrity field gens give off light. Use them to light up the inside. Also framework left that light through that's one of the reasons I use it then transform it later.
drububu.com/miscellaneous/voxelizer/?out=avo_cubes However, it's output .XML is wrong you have to change the lines at the top and bottom. Just copy the lines from an existing BP and replace them and it should work.
Sadly most clipping has been removed from the game :( It makes building hard some times. As for stacking that is not possible in-game at all unless you have legacy stacked blocks save in your blueprints already or DL one from the workshop here is one steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1813467204&searchtext=stack That all said you can open the ship .xml outside of the game with a text editor and manually change the numbers but that is not an easy endeavor. It can take hours to find the block you are looking for and even longer to move it into the place you want. While you can find the block you are looking for a little easier if you color it and you know the color code number for that color it is still a hard task.
@@lordmaddog6003 using corners with mirrors centered on the tile you want to stack then converting them, apparently it can be used to stack infinitely but I've only gotten it to do up to 8 in one tile using that method
I recently purchased this game but haven't had a chance to get involved in it. I used to play Starmade long ago until they changed and took all the fun out of the game. I just wish there was something I could open build and have a spaceman so i can use the inside of the ship
I am too but I constantly select different blocks and use the hotkey to move to them as my focal point. It can be hard some times to get the view you want but with some practice it becomes second nature.
You use the 1x1 as your base to build off of and most blocks end up a lot larger than that. Also, you build out of armor and use IFG witch massively boosts their durability.
this video is just amazing, the patience alone of this man is incredible
Thank you :)
You can easily get 50 to 100 hours into making a nice ship. But its worth it in the end.
omg thats actually very nice ship lol. im suck at making ships but my imagination is basicly fighting that sucky building of mine. i want to make good ones and i never thought of making external first and then go internal. because i was good at space engineers and now 1x1x1 blocks idea is actually very neat. thank you so much for putting alot of effort into this video to explain both visually and with words.
Your welcome :)
This was the first ship modelling video I saw for Avorion, so despite playing for 230 hrs in game, I never attempted something like this...
I gotta say, wow... When you're inside that giant hollow fuselage putting down structure supports, I doesn't even feel like you're playing Avorion anymore. Kinda reminds me of the inside scene of a Borg cube from Star Trek.
Gotta try this sometime. Great video, very helpful!
Glad you liked it and happy to help.
Fantastic video, it's nothing too long winded nor complicated. As someone who's enthusiastic with the game but has only just begun to make larger ships, this video has given me some insights on how I should go about it (my last build kept getting incredibly awkward gaps and misalignments as it neared completion).
Some people might say that you delivered the information too quickly and briefly but for a good majority of people looking for a tutorial to build bigger ships, we're not familiar enough to get into more complex details- and given how long making ships can take, the prospect of watching several hours of building tutorials comes across as daunting.
Cool beans.
Thank you :)
this is excellent, i watched all of it and it was very helpful! thanks!
thanks :)
Ooh I've never seen this approach before! That explains how people can create those very smooth designs!
I usually go with a modular design where I make a bunch of hull pieces that slot together. They're filled with scaffolds and have integrity field generators already installed. And I can easily build many different ships by putting them together in different ways.
Yea that's how I started too
What a great video, inspirational + LordMaddog is so wholesome! Thank you for the upload!
Love the vid, loads of useful tips in there for a noob like myself. You also sound a bit like Beavis & Butthead which is a bonus (if you ask me).
To be honest with you, I purchased this game last week and jumped straight in only to request a refund an hour later. I just couldn't wrap my head around the building system and/or anything about the game really. I have since purchased the game again and I am now giving it another chance and this tutorial is one of the best I've watched so far (in regards to general ship-design anyways).
@@JonatanRaven Good Luck!
that part whit the aliment you can completely avoid if you keep track of the block sizes basically avoiding stuff that cant be divided by 2 like 1.15 for example
Ah never realized that. Thanks :)
voxel software sounds neat. thought: when doing the conversion, can you do this twice, but tell the second to be 1 or 2 blocks slimmer, and then subtract the smaller from the larger and make it a different material in the process...thus saving lots of fiddling
As far as I know no. But if your a programmer you might be able to write such a beast
I like the informativeness, but the velocity of words and video speed make me feel like I'm watching the cocaine simulator.
LOL
In this modern era, I watch everything at two times speed and I guess it affects how fast I speak :)
This is great, especially considering that my ship is an armor-shelled cube, and thus nowhere near even the "from this" design level. At least the Borg would be proud.
Thanks for the pointer on merging two blocks to get rid of the building artifacts I had to notice that and it's extremely obnoxious 👍👍
This video is old but how did you get the height of the blocks to 0.5? All of mine only go to 1x1x1
Sadly I don't remember. Sorry
Man's really good, just got into the game myself. had no idea about the voxel generator I'm going to look into it more. Also noticed that the video speed makes you sound like you just did a couple lines of blow, lol.
I talk fast lol sorry
God nvm building ships is above me, I'll just keep to my borg cubes.
This an advanced building tut for making triple-A game quality ships but there is much easier way to build.
You dont have to start at master level :)
here
th-cam.com/video/VKD9em_8Vt4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=GARY007
is a simple starting tut that can turn out decent 1990 style ships :)
@@lordmaddog6003 Na i got that and you did a very good job at explaining things, I just dont have the available time to make something like this. Was hoping for maybe a shortcut to save a lot of time lol.
XD
3 million block per ship. good job.
Not if you build it right the Highest block count I ever had was around 12k I think and on norm about 3-5k
Excellent video, thanks for your contribution this is very helpful!
Your welcome glade you found it usefull
Well this helps me understand alil better. Don't think ill be able to build what I want to but this way will help me try.
The key is blocking it out first. It takes time but if you get the basic shape right others can help you if you run into any problems smoothing it out.
Some things to remember
1 use 1by1 HULL blocks for basic block out
2 after basic block out use 1 and 2 ARMORED corner blocks to smooth out.
3 if you get misalignment peel back a few blocks and try again if the problem persists ask for help on discord.
4 Once smoothed out and looking good delete the hull blocks of the basic block out then place IFG and fill the inside with framework.
After that, it's all Deco and personal test GL :)
i thought it was playing at twice the speed, so checked the play-speed setting, but it was normal xD
LOL I know everyone keeps saying I talk too fast.
I guess that's what happens when you personally watch everything at two to three times speed.
I think the "smaller thrusters creating more power" was back in the day, when the thruster measured surface area in direction of intended action. This lead to players slicing the thrusters in thin layers.
Today, it no longer matters - afaik. (At least I seem to get exactly the same numbers sliced or not)
I know that use to be the case. In fact, it used to be surface area, not mass that mattered.
However, some say that when thrusters get to large they start having less of an effect.
some even go as far as to color their thrusters different colors so they don't combine.
If they do start losing efficiency at larger sizes though I have never tested because they are talking about 1k+ giant ships and I don't build that large.
@@lordmaddog6003
Ah, ye. makes sense. I don't know anything about those ship-sizes. :)
I make the root block a flight recorder, since if that one gets destroyed it's whole purpose is gone, and root blocks are indestructible.
This Guide is so well done! It gave me so much! Thank You!
Thank you :) glade you found it usefull
I think surface area makes a difference for thrusters. Multiple blocks have more surface area than one block using the same volume. I would have to experiment but that sounds like what is going on. So don't always combine.
Oh, yea that is true.
Though for builds such as mine block count is a real problem so sometimes it is worth combining just to get the count down.
Had to watch at .5 speed to even follow you because you talk so fast. but it makes you sound like a drunk southerner. lmao
so this video basically gave me the foundations to how to build good looking ships in this game. the thing is i dont know how you made it have light in the inside. I am building my ship out of titanium (since i dont have any other material) and even with glowing blocks in the inside it is still dark. Any tips??
9:17
Integrity field generators are the light source in my Tut.
You always place them first when doing internals makes things a million times easier :) Its is also why I use framework to fill out the inside then convert it later: it allows the light from the IFG through it.
On a side note turning off shadows in the graphic settings can help a lot as well and if you are still having problems go into a single-player creative game and find a sector that is bright.
Also just in case, you did not know you can easily change the material of your entire ship with a few clicks.
I was your 420 sub xD
:)
Every time I try to build a ship larger than a VW Bug, i get "NOT ENOUGH PROCESSING POWER" nonsense. Everything I can find says adding "Functional Blocks" increases processing power but its BS, it just uses it up. I can find the stat for how much I have but I can't even find where it says how much is used up as I add components, it just runs out eventually and the ship gets no bigger.
I have not played since last update and there was no such limitation then.
Sorry I can't help.
Maybe try adding cpu blocks?
thats so much easier than in empyrion
So I'm not super far into this video and I'm not watching as I can only listen and use voice to text controls on my phone but I wanted to add a note about one very valuable technique that I have and that is subtractive building...
To clarify this method utilizes volumes created of minimum desired block sizes and essentially you just subtract or delete blocks from that volume to create the shape that you want this can be done by rotating the camera and using the selection tool to create lines and can be used with other lines to create more complex and subtle forms.
Note that this can be done two dimensionally or three dimensionally by creating slices instead of full 3d volumes of blocks. Oftentimes it's very useful to just set up essentially an ex and a y in a z array that you can then subtract from to define the general intended layout. Once you do that it's not too complicated to connect those regions in a free-form way by just placing blocks in the grid where you would like them to be in stringing them together at which point of course you can go back and subtract from that as well leaving what is essentially the wire frame.
After all that you can go through and fill volumes if you like or you can just complete a shell or you can smooth and finish surfaces and framework by adding in the other more complicated shapes to fill rather quickly if you utilize the match block buttons like shift all control or whatever it might...
It's funny how easy it is to get sucked in to creating things in this game and very difficult or inefficient ways only to take a step back and see that you could have done it in a completely different way and saved a lot of effort and had equivalent or better results. Realistically the most important thing is suggest no what the type of blocks required to be efficient such as thrusters need to be towards the outside and things like gyros need to be near the center and to account for things like field integrity block placement and what that can do for you if you compartmentalize regions so that you can have a certain amount of ablation should you so desire... It really is pretty cool what some of the systems in this game can allow for it.
Anyway thanks and I'll probably have more to ramble on about later LOL if anybody learned anything from this long-winded comment please just say hi and tell me what it was as I'm curious about how people build in this game and what they already know or whatever blah blah blah XD
Oh yeah bears mentioning the significance of the utility of block placement when setting down to design your ship...
If you align placement to the voxel grid and you always have a consistent block size then you should have very few alignment issues utilizing the method that I spoke of in the previous comment. That said all of the placement methods have their own merit and utility and definitely deserve to be played with a little bit.
18:00
Just personal notes
sounds interesting
starting off your video in that weird voice over, and sounding like you just took a line of coke made me want to turn off the video.. however seems like you got some good info, so thank you.. but really the voice man...
how do you get light inside the ship? for me its dark as hell if i have a hull and want to change the inside ...
Integrity field gens give off light.
Use them to light up the inside.
Also framework left that light through that's one of the reasons I use it then transform it later.
what online tool did you use to convert it to boxels ?I think I said that right.
drububu.com/miscellaneous/voxelizer/?out=avo_cubes
However, it's output .XML is wrong you have to change the lines at the top and bottom. Just copy the lines from an existing BP and replace them and it should work.
I’m looking for a guide on clipping and stacking blocks with no luck.. any tips?
Sadly most clipping has been removed from the game :(
It makes building hard some times.
As for stacking that is not possible in-game at all unless you have legacy stacked blocks save in your blueprints already or DL one from the workshop
here is one steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1813467204&searchtext=stack
That all said you can open the ship .xml outside of the game with a text editor and manually change the numbers but that is not an easy endeavor. It can take hours to find the block you are looking for and even longer to move it into the place you want.
While you can find the block you are looking for a little easier if you color it and you know the color code number for that color it is still a hard task.
@@lordmaddog6003 There is other ways to stack and clip though ^_^
@@rhuninn5619 Really? What are they? You use to be able to stack hologram blocks then convert them but that was removed long ago.
@@lordmaddog6003 using corners with mirrors centered on the tile you want to stack then converting them, apparently it can be used to stack infinitely but I've only gotten it to do up to 8 in one tile using that method
@@rhuninn5619 Ah that's new to me. Sound like a lot of trouble for something you can just go get off the workshop though.
isn't it possible after building the armor shell to convert all hull blocks into framework?
You could but they are small blocks and will add to block count for no good reason. It's best to delete them
holy crap, nevermind 😅😭
I recently purchased this game but haven't had a chance to get involved in it. I used to play Starmade long ago until they changed and took all the fun out of the game. I just wish there was something I could open build and have a spaceman so i can use the inside of the ship
Then space engineers is the game you are looking for. There is also Empyrion, and Starship EVO though both are still in development.
Oh, starmade... I loved that.
Did you ever get a chance to play Corneroids?🤔
why does he sound like he is in a hurry
He just talks fast :)
How do you move around like that? I am always locked in focus to a particular block!
I am too but I constantly select different blocks and use the hotkey to move to them as my focal point.
It can be hard some times to get the view you want but with some practice it becomes second nature.
Select a block and press f
I hope you merge blocks in the end because your block durability will be terrible in 1x1.
You use the 1x1 as your base to build off of and most blocks end up a lot larger than that.
Also, you build out of armor and use IFG witch massively boosts their durability.
How did you make it so shiny??
I changed it to a different material. Titanium and Trinium are both shiny. I use Trin for showcasing most of the time.
how can you enable creative mode build ship with unlimited resource ?
When you make a new galaxy there is a option. I think it's a check box you can click
what turrts go on this ?
Any ones you want really I think I used a variation of these though steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2042573605
I couldn't stand the way you talked...it seemed really forced. Had to stop watching.
I am sorry to hear that. But I understand there are some TH-camrs voices I can't stand as well and I can't watch them :(
Dude you give some good info but slow tf down you made so many simple English mistakes. Hall, Pacific, ideal. Over and over
Those mistakes are not because I talk fast :P
That's just how my Dad said those words so I often mess up and pronounce them the same way lol
this is terrible.