My headcanon is that Sonic 1 8-bit is a direct prequel to regular Sonic 1. Sonic lands in the Green Hill Zone at the end of the 8-bit game next to Eggman. The Chaos Emeralds get rid of the pollution cloud (which isn't present in the Genesis game) and then disperse to the special zone, and Sonic chases after Eggman right then and there which is where we begin Sonic 1 proper.
I mean sure but wouldn't that just be the same adventure again, minus one more zone? I don't really see how going through the same sequence of events one after another with a few changes in between adds much to the narrative persay, especially since both endings do sort of indicate the same thing regardless.
@@sweatyballs9804 yeah I mean it's just a headcanon it's not supposed to be important. It's my own little fan timeline so I can include every game and spinoff. Sonic ran through South Island more than once using a different route. Yeah it doesn't add literally anything to the story but it's fun for me and it doesn't go deeper than that.
Man it hurts my soul to see so much authenticity, passion, knowledge, humor and just overall care and concern for the complete coverage in a video pertaining to a topic that I love so much not to be rewarded with more views or notoriety. I randomly came across one of your videos and I immediately checked out your catalog and have been watching the rest. All so extremely well done I just assumed this was at bare minimum a 20,000 - 50,000 sub channel or on the higher side a hundred thousand sub channel approaching a 1 million views. Keep up the diligent work Sonic team should be cutting you a check because you inspired me to go re download Sonic 2 and Sonic CD then find a way to purchase Sonic 3 and Knuckles because on the Xbox one and Series consoles it’s been removed so I gave up on playing those on my new console about a year ago but after these lore videos and game breakdowns i searched again and stumbled across an alternative where you buy or hook up an Xbox 360 sign in to your account and purchase/download the games from the 360 marketplace then when you go back to your series console it’s available for download and you can play there.. my mind was blown and your Sonic playlist was the catalyst and is the PERFECT background content if you will for the games while playing. Got SuperSonic for the 1st time in Sonic 2 and I’m at the Death Egg as I take a break to type this now!!
Thank you, glad you're enjoying my videos. I've been getting a lot of comments about how I deserve more views. It's extremely flattering. But it is how it is. I'm still fairly new and you know, algorithms. But either way, I'll be sticking with it.
@@Pariah6950 Invest some cash into beefing up your channel/thumbnail designs! Your Sonic breakdowns are arguably some of the best on TH-cam, you deserve to make a living off what you do 💪🙏
i played sonic blast, chaos, and triple trouble as a kid. i had one of those controllers that plug into your tv and have a bunch of master system/game gear games on them. my favorite game on that system was actually sonic blast because it was the easiest to understand.
You can actually overclock the emulated Master system CPU in emulators like Genesis Plus GX. That way, the games run at flawless 60 fps and feel way better.
When you insulted sonic jam, at first I was confused because I loved that game on the Saturn, but I looked it up and the footage for the gamecom version of that game is actually hard for me to look at
I played Sonic Blast as a kid, and many years later I had some vague memory of it, and proceeded to spend far too long trying to find "that weird Sonic flash game I remember playing". Because in my mind, there was no *possible* way that the ugly game I was remembering was official. I looked through tons and tons of Sonic flash games trying to find any with familiar looking screenshots, but none of them were even close. Safe to say, it was surreal when I eventually learned the truth.
Some day I wanna get the True Brazilian Experience™️ and sit down and actually finish the SEGA Master System games. Not the Game Gear versions tho that screen crunch is fucking awful.
I've done it. It was life changing. Brazilians know what they're talking about got damb Sonic 1 and Triple Trouble are genuinely really good. But thiS MF PUT SONIC 2 AT THE TOP OF THE LIST GET HIS ASS
I remember loving Sonic Blast when I was little, but I always got stuck at Blue Marine Zone. I constantly replayed the first 3 Zones as both characters though
I always thought Sonic Chaos and Triple Trouble were the best, no contest. I might have to give Soinc 2 another try since I only played that on GameGear and it traumatized me.
The bad level design in Sonic Blast is what kills the game. Don't forget that the only way to fight the final boss is by winning all 5 Act 2 Special Stages which you only have 1 Chance at & you have to find & grab a special ring to reach them which isn't easy. There are some cases where you only get a single chance to grab the ring. Sonic Blast's 4th & 5th Zones had some of the worst level design in any Sonic Game made even worse by GameGear Screen Crunch. You seriously underrate Triple Trouble which had better level design than Sonic Blast on average. Sunset Park was a masterpiece among the 8-Bit Sonic Zones.
The last 2 zones of Blast are absolutely terrible. No doubt. But I think the rest of the game is pretty decent. Triple Trouble though, the game overall just didn't do much for me. Not sure why. On paper everything is solid. But I just don't like it as much as the others.
Do I consider these games mainline? Man, for the longest time these were *the* 2D Sonic games for me, I had no idea the Genesis titles even existed. How? Well, where I live, consoles weren't really a popular thing back in the day -- they were the kind of imported luxury some rich people had, not something I as an average child had access to. And, I didn't really have internet access either back in this time. On the other hand... I *did* have Sonic Adventure, the old PC port. It was my first Sonic game, in fact. And that game included all of the GameGear titles as a reward for collecting emblems (which is amazing and the best thing collectibles in a video game have ever been used for). Why they went with the GameGear versions instead of the MS ones is entirely beyond me, but beggars can't be choosers. So I played through these a ton, thinking these were just "the original Sonic games" and had no idea about the whole Genesis parallel universe that I was missing out on. I also know for a fact that there are some areas in the world where the Master System exceeded the Genesis in popularity as well. Heck, I saw someone *on Steam* just a couple weeks back in the Origins discussions being incredibly confused about what this game even is and why Bridge Zone from Sonic 1 is missing. So, yeah. These are mainline for me, without a doubt.
Sonic blast is a mixed bag for me similar to how sonic cd is a mixed bag for many people. The hitbox thing interests me the only bosses that I can think of that tries this in the 2d games are the sandopolis eggman fight and palmtree panic boss.
I've played those. I'll talk about them another time. They are quite changed from the original games, so I don't really see them as replacements. But they are really cool.
He is in the zone intro images though, as if he is on this adventure with Sonic. So I imagine he was supposed to follow you around, but they realized they didn't have the power to do that. So they changed the story to him getting captured.
The cooperate ea crap that was brought into sonic origins Yeah I’m ticked off too The “joke” (it wasn’t really funny) died after 5 minutes He started this in sonic 1 part 2 and has been doing it since Thinking about it makes me exhausted
Not a fan of the 8 bit games aside from Sonic Chaos lol which is your least favorite. Love the level asthetics of Chaos even tho yea its the shortest and the most straightforward level design. Also i do like Sonic Blast! At least until it get to Blue Marine zone, i can never figure it out its just a huge maze so thats always where i stop. But its solid until that point and i like the graphics of the boss fights. Gigapolis Zone is so fucking pretty
at least me and this man can agree on one thing blue marine zone is one of the most horrible pieces of shit to ever be created by mankind i mean like how did this shit even make it into the game?
You should check out Sonic the Hedgehog: Perfect System. It makes a lot of improvements to the Master System Sonic 1 m.th-cam.com/video/DKkNmRsFnSA/w-d-xo.html
People are always complaining that the PAL exclusives like Sonic 2 only run in 50Hz. No? No, they don’t. Put them into an NTSC Master System (they are Region free) or mod your PAL console to 60HZ and it runs in 60Hz. And if you are playing on an emulator it’s no problem anyway. Just run the emulator in 60Hz instead of 50Hz, problem solved.
@@DijaVlogsGames I was comparing framerates myself. And it seemed like GG was running faster, so I thought they may have actually adjusted the game speed to run properly at 50. Then I gave it another look, and realized it was just a part of the game that was lagging on SMS because that happens constantly in these games. Whoops lol.
@@Pariah6950 Fun Fact: The PAL versions actually run much smoother, because there is way less slowdown… because everything is already running much slower.
FYI there are rom hacks for 8bit Sonic 1&2. Specifically you can hack the Spindash into Sonic 2. I was surprised you didn't use it, but I guess you missed it.
True, the "16-bit" fan game is vastly superior, but honestly I'd argue that it's way too different from the Game Gear version to be called a "faithful remaster", if anything it's more like a sequel to Sonic 3 & K but with aspects of Triple Trouble's plot and it's zones and gimmicks n stuff, but yea in terms of the actual stage layouts/physics they're vastly different games to the point i'd more-so consider TT 16-Bit it's own (great) game. Either way I'd recommend anyone/everyone play it since it's an amazing game with great music and faithful level design and physics, but id still recommend playing the actual Triple Trouble if you want to experience it and see where the people behind Triple Trouble 16-Bit got their inspiration, but I definitely wouldn't say TT 16-Bit is a replacement since it's soo different, it's just it's own amazing game inspired by Triple Trouble and what it "could have been" had it been made for the Genesis/ Sega Nomad and not held back by the Game Gear's hardware. Like I said tho great game either way, just not truly a "remake", more of a reimagining following Sonic 3's principals and building upon what the Genesis games did rather than trying to emulate that on inferior hardware like Triple Trouble originally was meant to be
So, a remake of sonic triple trouble was recently. I’m not sure if you’d cover a fan remake but I would like to see you evaluate how people try to emulate sonic gameplay and to see how much Noah N Copland and co improved that hand held game. (Although you’d still hate the bosses, they were slightly improved but you’d probably still not like most of them. Except maybe the penguin)
I think 8 Bit Sonic 1 is still my favorite of the 8 bit games. Its really simple gameplay wise, it has the least amount of gimmicks compared to the other 8 bit games and It has a certain charm to it that the other 8 bit games kinda lack for me. As for rather these are mainline.. I don't consider them mainline since they were always side games released alongside the 16-bit games. Lore wise these games are very inconsistent all across the board so I am not sure if they are even canon.
These games kind of hurt my eyes seeing them. Good God they're so choppy. I do remember playing Sonic Blast and Chaos via Sonic Adventure DX Directors Cut. Those were decent.
Only just found your Chanel and going through this excilence series. When scrapbrain came on the screen it’s music came screaming back into my head I played the 8-bit games to death as a child, sonic 1 8-bit was the first time I swore at an adult and meant it My auntie had just arrived and we hadn’t seen her in years She stood in front of the tv with a big smile but didn’t realise I was on the last boss, with no lives, no continues, every emerald and he had one hit left 🤣🤣🤣 I let her have it 🤣
My headcanons are: 1. Sonic 2 8-Bit is a sequel to CD and a prequel to 2 16-Bit. Sonic saves Tails and now they work together. 2. Chaos and Triple Trouble are canon too, Chaos is the prequel to 3 and TT is sequel to 3 and the prequel to 3D Blast (oh did I mention I consider 3D Blast (NOT BLAST!!) canon too?), kinda Sonic CD situation
Fun fact: the master system is region free, so just put the a region 2 copy in the master system and everything should run 60 hz
My headcanon is that Sonic 1 8-bit is a direct prequel to regular Sonic 1.
Sonic lands in the Green Hill Zone at the end of the 8-bit game next to Eggman. The Chaos Emeralds get rid of the pollution cloud (which isn't present in the Genesis game) and then disperse to the special zone, and Sonic chases after Eggman right then and there which is where we begin Sonic 1 proper.
That would explain why the first boss is just Eggman in his Egg Mobile.
I mean sure but wouldn't that just be the same adventure again, minus one more zone? I don't really see how going through the same sequence of events one after another with a few changes in between adds much to the narrative persay, especially since both endings do sort of indicate the same thing regardless.
@@sweatyballs9804 yeah I mean it's just a headcanon it's not supposed to be important. It's my own little fan timeline so I can include every game and spinoff. Sonic ran through South Island more than once using a different route. Yeah it doesn't add literally anything to the story but it's fun for me and it doesn't go deeper than that.
@@summerruby8436 yeah that's fait i guess.
My headcannon is that they happen at the same time, it’s just more Sonic 1. Green Hill, Bridge Zone, Jungle Zone, Marble Zone, and so on.
It's so nice to see someone actually praising Sonic Blast for a change, It's definetly not as bad as people make it out to be
i honestly kinda like the graphics ngl
Man it hurts my soul to see so much authenticity, passion, knowledge, humor and just overall care and concern for the complete coverage in a video pertaining to a topic that I love so much not to be rewarded with more views or notoriety.
I randomly came across one of your videos and I immediately checked out your catalog and have been watching the rest. All so extremely well done I just assumed this was at bare minimum a 20,000 - 50,000 sub channel or on the higher side a hundred thousand sub channel approaching a 1 million views.
Keep up the diligent work Sonic team should be cutting you a check because you inspired me to go re download Sonic 2 and Sonic CD then find a way to purchase Sonic 3 and Knuckles because on the Xbox one and Series consoles it’s been removed so I gave up on playing those on my new console about a year ago but after these lore videos and game breakdowns i searched again and stumbled across an alternative where you buy or hook up an Xbox 360 sign in to your account and purchase/download the games from the 360 marketplace then when you go back to your series console it’s available for download and you can play there.. my mind was blown and your Sonic playlist was the catalyst and is the PERFECT background content if you will for the games while playing. Got SuperSonic for the 1st time in Sonic 2 and I’m at the Death Egg as I take a break to type this now!!
Thank you, glad you're enjoying my videos. I've been getting a lot of comments about how I deserve more views. It's extremely flattering. But it is how it is. I'm still fairly new and you know, algorithms. But either way, I'll be sticking with it.
@@Pariah6950 Invest some cash into beefing up your channel/thumbnail designs! Your Sonic breakdowns are arguably some of the best on TH-cam, you deserve to make a living off what you do 💪🙏
He kept calling rings coins!😭
Joke died after sonic 1 part 2
When he started it
It’s annoying
I’m slowly losing my sanity
@@SanicConnoisseur_91 good thing he stopped around heroes
@@SaddieMoon Thank you I thought I was the only one with sense
Just ignore it
You mean the halos
i played sonic blast, chaos, and triple trouble as a kid. i had one of those controllers that plug into your tv and have a bunch of master system/game gear games on them. my favorite game on that system was actually sonic blast because it was the easiest to understand.
You can actually overclock the emulated Master system CPU in emulators like Genesis Plus GX. That way, the games run at flawless 60 fps and feel way better.
When you insulted sonic jam, at first I was confused because I loved that game on the Saturn, but I looked it up and the footage for the gamecom version of that game is actually hard for me to look at
I played Sonic Blast as a kid, and many years later I had some vague memory of it, and proceeded to spend far too long trying to find "that weird Sonic flash game I remember playing". Because in my mind, there was no *possible* way that the ugly game I was remembering was official. I looked through tons and tons of Sonic flash games trying to find any with familiar looking screenshots, but none of them were even close. Safe to say, it was surreal when I eventually learned the truth.
Some day I wanna get the True Brazilian Experience™️ and sit down and actually finish the SEGA Master System games. Not the Game Gear versions tho that screen crunch is fucking awful.
A few videos down the line he says he's doing it intentionally
It’s sonic 1 part 2 he starts it
It’s annoying and it died after 5 minutes
He thinks he’s so funny…
@@SanicConnoisseur_91 wrong opinion detected
I've done it. It was life changing. Brazilians know what they're talking about got damb Sonic 1 and Triple Trouble are genuinely really good. But thiS MF PUT SONIC 2 AT THE TOP OF THE LIST GET HIS ASS
I remember loving Sonic Blast when I was little, but I always got stuck at Blue Marine Zone. I constantly replayed the first 3 Zones as both characters though
I always thought Sonic Chaos and Triple Trouble were the best, no contest. I might have to give Soinc 2 another try since I only played that on GameGear and it traumatized me.
Sega Master System - Sonic the Hedgehog.. This is my masterpiece.. my first Sonic game and not forgetable for me..
Oh my childhood.. 🥲 14:33
The bad level design in Sonic Blast is what kills the game. Don't forget that the only way to fight the final boss is by winning all 5 Act 2 Special Stages which you only have 1 Chance at & you have to find & grab a special ring to reach them which isn't easy. There are some cases where you only get a single chance to grab the ring. Sonic Blast's 4th & 5th Zones had some of the worst level design in any Sonic Game made even worse by GameGear Screen Crunch. You seriously underrate Triple Trouble which had better level design than Sonic Blast on average. Sunset Park was a masterpiece among the 8-Bit Sonic Zones.
The last 2 zones of Blast are absolutely terrible. No doubt. But I think the rest of the game is pretty decent. Triple Trouble though, the game overall just didn't do much for me. Not sure why. On paper everything is solid. But I just don't like it as much as the others.
Nice! Interesting takes on Sonic 2 and the way Chaos does special stages!
Sonic Blast looks like a horror game. Great reviews on these games!
Do I consider these games mainline? Man, for the longest time these were *the* 2D Sonic games for me, I had no idea the Genesis titles even existed. How? Well, where I live, consoles weren't really a popular thing back in the day -- they were the kind of imported luxury some rich people had, not something I as an average child had access to. And, I didn't really have internet access either back in this time. On the other hand... I *did* have Sonic Adventure, the old PC port. It was my first Sonic game, in fact. And that game included all of the GameGear titles as a reward for collecting emblems (which is amazing and the best thing collectibles in a video game have ever been used for). Why they went with the GameGear versions instead of the MS ones is entirely beyond me, but beggars can't be choosers. So I played through these a ton, thinking these were just "the original Sonic games" and had no idea about the whole Genesis parallel universe that I was missing out on.
I also know for a fact that there are some areas in the world where the Master System exceeded the Genesis in popularity as well. Heck, I saw someone *on Steam* just a couple weeks back in the Origins discussions being incredibly confused about what this game even is and why Bridge Zone from Sonic 1 is missing. So, yeah. These are mainline for me, without a doubt.
Sonic blast is a mixed bag for me similar to how sonic cd is a mixed bag for many people.
The hitbox thing interests me the only bosses that I can think of that tries this in the 2d games are the sandopolis eggman fight and palmtree panic boss.
binging these videos and theyre great, but try playing sonic 1 and 2 with the fanmade sms remakes, theyre so much better with no slowdown lol
I've played those. I'll talk about them another time. They are quite changed from the original games, so I don't really see them as replacements. But they are really cool.
18:45 something i think they did is that they made the rings slightly different colours for each stage (just judging off of your gameplay footage)
Or for Triple Trouble you could play Triple Trouble 16-bit for another option.
Except this is an diffrent game and when he made the video that game did not exist
That's a fan game
these analysis are so cool
22:05 Sonic’s dead guys… the rest of Sonic chaos is his purgatory…
Had you considered swapping Knuckles the Echidna with Tiara Boobowski?
Tails doesn’t follow you because he’s been kidnapped as showed in the opening cutscene
He is in the zone intro images though, as if he is on this adventure with Sonic. So I imagine he was supposed to follow you around, but they realized they didn't have the power to do that. So they changed the story to him getting captured.
@@Pariah6950 You forget to talk Sonic Labyrinth
35:34 "or maybe if you are a blind gamer"
Isn't pocket adventure 8 bit?
It is. But that I will talk about when I get to the Advance games, as it is much more relevant to those.
@@Pariah6950 oh ok makes sense
Coins? What the fuck are coins?
The cooperate ea crap that was brought into sonic origins
Yeah I’m ticked off too
The “joke” (it wasn’t really funny) died after 5 minutes
He started this in sonic 1 part 2 and has been doing it since
Thinking about it makes me exhausted
Hmm oh. He is wrong they are not coins. They are candy
Not a fan of the 8 bit games aside from Sonic Chaos lol which is your least favorite. Love the level asthetics of Chaos even tho yea its the shortest and the most straightforward level design. Also i do like Sonic Blast! At least until it get to Blue Marine zone, i can never figure it out its just a huge maze so thats always where i stop. But its solid until that point and i like the graphics of the boss fights. Gigapolis Zone is so fucking pretty
wait.... if the *MASTER* system was less powerful than the genisis..... why would they call it that??
MS res on a GG??? What emulator are you using?
Genesis GX Plus
at least me and this man can agree on one thing blue marine zone is one of the most horrible pieces of shit to ever be created by mankind i mean like how did this shit even make it into the game?
You should check out Sonic the Hedgehog: Perfect System. It makes a lot of improvements to the Master System Sonic 1 m.th-cam.com/video/DKkNmRsFnSA/w-d-xo.html
Thanks. Seems cool. I'll heck it out.
Blast doesn't look that bad. It's just another pre rendered goof. Like DKC on the GB.
Sonic Blast looks like a Chinese knockoff of Sonic 3D Blast.
Please stop saying coins they are Rings and those are not coins with holes
Agreed
People are always complaining that the PAL exclusives like Sonic 2 only run in 50Hz.
No? No, they don’t. Put them into an NTSC Master System (they are Region free) or mod your PAL console to 60HZ and it runs in 60Hz.
And if you are playing on an emulator it’s no problem anyway. Just run the emulator in 60Hz instead of 50Hz, problem solved.
I realized that after making the video. I put a note in the description. Thanks for that, though. I don't like spreading false information.
@@Pariah6950 All good. But you‘re definitely not the only one saying that. No idea where that idea came from.
@@DijaVlogsGames I was comparing framerates myself. And it seemed like GG was running faster, so I thought they may have actually adjusted the game speed to run properly at 50. Then I gave it another look, and realized it was just a part of the game that was lagging on SMS because that happens constantly in these games. Whoops lol.
@@Pariah6950 Fun Fact: The PAL versions actually run much smoother, because there is way less slowdown… because everything is already running much slower.
FYI there are rom hacks for 8bit Sonic 1&2. Specifically you can hack the Spindash into Sonic 2. I was surprised you didn't use it, but I guess you missed it.
Thanks for letting me know. Will check out.
i recommand not playing sonic triple trouble go play sonic triple trouble 16-bit
True, the "16-bit" fan game is vastly superior, but honestly I'd argue that it's way too different from the Game Gear version to be called a "faithful remaster", if anything it's more like a sequel to Sonic 3 & K but with aspects of Triple Trouble's plot and it's zones and gimmicks n stuff, but yea in terms of the actual stage layouts/physics they're vastly different games to the point i'd more-so consider TT 16-Bit it's own (great) game. Either way I'd recommend anyone/everyone play it since it's an amazing game with great music and faithful level design and physics, but id still recommend playing the actual Triple Trouble if you want to experience it and see where the people behind Triple Trouble 16-Bit got their inspiration, but I definitely wouldn't say TT 16-Bit is a replacement since it's soo different, it's just it's own amazing game inspired by Triple Trouble and what it "could have been" had it been made for the Genesis/ Sega Nomad and not held back by the Game Gear's hardware. Like I said tho great game either way, just not truly a "remake", more of a reimagining following Sonic 3's principals and building upon what the Genesis games did rather than trying to emulate that on inferior hardware like Triple Trouble originally was meant to be
So, a remake of sonic triple trouble was recently.
I’m not sure if you’d cover a fan remake but I would like to see you evaluate how people try to emulate sonic gameplay and to see how much Noah N Copland and co improved that hand held game.
(Although you’d still hate the bosses, they were slightly improved but you’d probably still not like most of them. Except maybe the penguin)
the remake is basically a completely different game
sonic blast sorta looks like the game hylics, I like that about it
You had to remind me of Sonic Jam for the gamecome... I locked it out of my memories for a reason!
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You Like Sonic Blast 🤯🤣
I think 8 Bit Sonic 1 is still my favorite of the 8 bit games. Its really simple gameplay wise, it has the least amount of gimmicks compared to the other 8 bit games and It has a certain charm to it that the other 8 bit games kinda lack for me. As for rather these are mainline.. I don't consider them mainline since they were always side games released alongside the 16-bit games. Lore wise these games are very inconsistent all across the board so I am not sure if they are even canon.
I meant even Sonic Triple Trouble,right?
I think the visuals of Sonic blast are funny, that's a score un my book
These games kind of hurt my eyes seeing them. Good God they're so choppy. I do remember playing Sonic Blast and Chaos via Sonic Adventure DX Directors Cut. Those were decent.
Only just found your Chanel and going through this excilence series. When scrapbrain came on the screen it’s music came screaming back into my head
I played the 8-bit games to death as a child, sonic 1 8-bit was the first time I swore at an adult and meant it
My auntie had just arrived and we hadn’t seen her in years
She stood in front of the tv with a big smile but didn’t realise I was on the last boss, with no lives, no continues, every emerald and he had one hit left 🤣🤣🤣
I let her have it 🤣
The Sonic SMS Android ports are excellent
My headcanons are:
1. Sonic 2 8-Bit is a sequel to CD and a prequel to 2 16-Bit. Sonic saves Tails and now they work together.
2. Chaos and Triple Trouble are canon too, Chaos is the prequel to 3 and TT is sequel to 3 and the prequel to 3D Blast (oh did I mention I consider 3D Blast (NOT BLAST!!) canon too?), kinda Sonic CD situation
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