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- UPDATE: There is now a better version of this game. Sonic CD & Knuckles is similar to the other Classic fan versions. Here's a link to a spreadsheet I put together compiling all of my Sonic recommendations.
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Quite pleased with this one. I think it's fairly concise while covering pretty much everything I wanted to talk about. Sorry again about the stuttering. It will be fixed soon enough.
The one thing I cut from the video was a little tid bit. The time travel idea for this game likely was taken from Sonic 2. Sonic 2 originally had time travel in it, but was cut out. But since CD was going to be a version of Sonic 2 early on, the team of that game probably decided to keep the time travel idea in their game once they started doing their own thing. You can see remnants of the time travel in Sonic 2 still present in the game. You ever notice how Hill Top's environment tiles are just Emerald Hill in a different color? That's because Hill Top was originally supposed to be Emerald Hill in the past. So that's neat.
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Here's why I think the robot generator system was done very well. The basic way to play the game is to go to the past, break the generator and then exit the act in the past without going back to the present/future.
When playing this way it means the game has two phases.
Phase 1: Exploration. The only objectives are travel to the past and find the generator, but you don't have to break your back trying to find a generator in every level. I spend no more than five minutes in an Act and if I don't manage to get to the robot generator then I lose that act for today, so then just run to the signpost.
Phase 2: Linear. This phase starts once you know the location all of the generators. Now the game becomes linear, because you know the optimal path for the basic objectives, so there is a single "linear" pathway, although this involves traveling through time and sometimes from right to left. "Sometimes you move left, sometimes right...but you are *always* moving forward."
So now, instead of a game with an "upper" path and "lower" path, you have an optimal single path surrounded by any number of possible side routes and detours, which come into play if you make a time travel mistake, or if you take a hit and need to build your ring count back up for the special stage entry fee of 50 rings.
This sheds light on the seemlingly baffling designs of Collision Chaos and Wacky Workbench. When you always travel to the past and exit the signpost there, those past versions are much smoother to get through.
Hey always good to see you around.
Personally ive played the game a LOT (across the gems collection, on my phone as a kid, on the 360 and the pc) but there are still many generators i havent found
Only spending 5 minutes tops searching per level means it would take years of pretty consistent playing to find them all for the average person especially that infamous one in the last zone
Getting the time stones and doing it that way is by far the easier option so thats always what i did
To be fair Collison chaos lives up to its name sake
Sonic was being self aware before the meta era?
So that's why it sucks.
*is good
I like to imagine that Collision Chaos was made by some game designer’s kid who just put spring everywhere because “it is funny lol”. Yeah, “great” level designer 😐
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THAT TRANSITION THO
Amazing
I applaud this man's editing skills.
the time travel robot generator thingy is more fun the more times you do it, when you play it enough you start remembering where the generators are and the game starts being this thing of reaching the generator and the goal as fast as possible
Also, just following the top path works for like 4 of the 7 zones after that Wacky Workbench hides them in areas (be it under a piston the game shows previously to lead to secret areas or taunting you right at the start of the stage), Stardust Speedway inverts the original formula with Generators on the bottom path, and Metallic Madness just puts them in little notches in the level. They're not as hard to find as people say they are.
I think playing the game as fast as possible becomes 10x more fun when you're doing generator runs, which I think was the intention. Learning the quickest path to the nearest sign, generator, learning how to execute your time travel attempts better and more efficiently. The idea of speedrunning sonic games usually doesn't appeal to me, but CD's very short length and many different ways to accomplish time travel makes it so I'm not discouraged when I make a mistake. On top of that, I'm constantly discovering new ways to use the physics system to time travel earlier in the level. It's great stuff.
I've gotten this suggestion before, and have since tried it. It's definitely fun, but still doesn't change my overall thoughts on the game.
My most recent playthrough I've mostly done it by getting the Robot generators before working up to the good future to farm for rings and lives with whatever time remains. I assume this is the games intention with the good futures since they're usually just easier bad future layouts and the rings dont track per timezone. And because of that 10 minute timer, something that I felt earlier was a severe limitation of the game, it actually encourages that speedrunning mentality.
Collecting the time stones is not hard for me, an special UFO appears at the center of the map when you have 20 seconds left, it gives you 30 seconds and it will appear always that you have 20 seconds left, so you can literally stay for an undefined amount of time in the special zone.
I love the Sonic CD special stages, my favourite ones by far
You are Satan. The devil. Lucifer himself. I shudder to imagine what kind of thoughts occur to you within your warped and twisted psyche.
19:04 I see classic sonic levels as playgrounds where you get to mess around with slopes and momentum.
I DIDN'T KNOW THE LAYER THING IN STARDUST SPEEDWAY WORKED LIKE THAT OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
Ikr? Like wtf is this ball sign even mean?
@@Vadim_Slastihin Sonic's Ball form. Also just notice the balls switch to the layer their on never noticed that before
This game grew on me a lot and now it’s one of my favorites. I love how he controls and love the level designs.
The title should be changed to "Sonic CD - Listen to me Bitch and Moan for 30 minutes"
god I love Sonic CD. Metal Sonic is my all-time favorite bad guy. Battling him is very fun.
I didn't find the special stages that terrible, but I think the remake giving you the option to restart might've had something to do with that
Lol your taste and takes are VERY different from mine and quite peculiar in my eyes, but I must admire your time attacking. I’ve been so accustomed to playing the special stages and getting every Chaos Emerald in my playthroughs, that I forgot what it was like to just play Sonic games with a LITERAL gotta go fast mentality.
I recommend trying it. It's very fun if you have the patience to learn levels and practice.
when it comes to the bosses, difficulty dosen't mean it's good imo, i more appreciate how creative these are as compared to the normal bosses. the colision chaos boss sucks tho
dude I've played this game like 50 times and I had no idea those spinning panel things in stardust speedway change your layer, blew my mind
I love thisvseries. I've watched it all and use it for background noise when my cats are being loud at night. Sonic has been my favorite series since I first played a Heroes demo then Sonic 2. You and Cybershell are so smart. I watch prem a lot as well. I hope you take off ad much as you deserve.
Sonic cd was the first sonic game to genuinely have consequences for your actions in sonic 1 and 2 you even if you don't get the chaos emeralds it will still end up saying you got it in the next game. And I feel like the level design was meant to be odd for Pete sake thid is an entirely different planet and I felt like it was completely intentional. And besides the gameplay of getting the good ending can be tedious but rewarding with whole get the generate find good momentum and getting time stone, but it makes you think and strategies where's the best routes to take for speed where will the ufo go next what's the best place to time travel. Not to mention the level design is out thid world it has the best back ground design out the original classics hands down look at stardust speedway wacky workbench metallic madness quadrant quartz tidal tempest etc they all look so good in every variant. Pasting a simple background and present adding more to the simple level and background bad future having a metallic look as technology ruins the environment (and I the case of robotic levels such as metallic madness and Wacky workbench they are rusted and extremely worn out) and for the good future it shoes the coexistence of nature and technology. And I love how each level design has one color as it's primary bases such as pat wacky workbench hsving an extreme green look or good future stardust speedway sharing a purple look. and the (JP/EU) music fits perfectly with the stage and entire vibe of the game. I feel like thid game gets undeserved hate because it doesn't follow the original formula of a sonic game, but if you just play the game how it's suppose to and just truly take in the experience of the game its Hella lot of fun
I actually love the special stages in this game.
US's boss theme just sounds like something that came from a horror game, at least JP's boss theme is bop to listen to, so that's my personal preference, but i'm pretty sure that we can all agree that JP's final boss theme is way better than US's final boss theme (which is just a slightly remixed or altered version of the normal US boss theme).
No, I actually disagree. The Final Boss US theme still works for me. With the way how the US Boss Theme was composed, there doesn't need to be an entirely different melody to it for the final boss when the messaging is still clear that Eggman is a HUGE THREAT in the lore of Sonic CD.
I disagree.
I agree
I could be wrong, but I think the good future has more life monitors and stuff. I know for the previous videos that you don't really care about that, but it's nice for someone like me.
8:01 Wacky workbench requires patience with the platforms which is tedious but nothing compared to Labyrinth, Oil Ocean, Metropolis and Marble Garden Zone
@@ahogammer6895 you’re right. people who say wacky workbench is on the levels of labyrinth, metropolis, oil ocean and marble garden levels of bad are wrong
Maybe some people would think I'm a moron for what I'm about to write. I think CD works better than 2 and I also prefer it over 3&K. All this talk of replaying Sonic games to get better at them never worked for me. The timer shows a few seconds less after I memorised the entire level? I don't care. There's a super beautiful version of the same level that puts a smile on my face? That's enough for me to do some exploring. The special stages do kind of suck, but I managed to beat them (well, in the HD version), whereas the ones in Sonic 2 (original) are just impossible. I wrote down exactly where the spiky balls come at which point in the tube and I even set Tails' controls to be the same as Sonic's in the emulator (Tails can mess the special stages up), but I never got all emeralds. And for 3&K: I hardly played it and this endless pyramid level makes me want to purge it from my memory.
I always go to the good future after saving the past, I like to waste time enjoying different versions of the zones; I guess the creators wanted something like that.
Heads up, the "HD Intro, Outro" mod in the description was deleted. Also, what do you think of the "Time Travel Overhaul" mod?
That sucks. I took it off the description. Fortunately that same effect can be easily achieved by just replacing the video files in the game's folders. Thanks for the heads up.
As for the Time Travel Overhaul, I haven't tried it myself. I don't really care about the time travel quest in general, so I never bothered. Though it seem to fix a number of things about the base game's travel. Letting you trigger it more manually, making it easier to do, and letting you take multiple attempts at it. All good ideas on paper. Just haven't seen for myself if it actually works. Though, the level design is deliberately built for the normal mechanics, so changing that does compromise the design a bit. Not the hugest deal though, especially if it makes the rest of the time travel better.
Personally, I would want something a bit more faithful to the original that is less of a pain. Like how about you can manually enter "time travel mode" with a toggle of a button. You need to get the sign first, but once you have it, you can use it as much as you want. But it won't do anything if you're not in time travel mode. With it on, it works like normal CD mechanics, but you don't lose the chance to time travel if you mess it up. You can keep trying as much as you want, or disable it if you don't want to accidentally travel. And maybe even use 2 toggles on the shoulder buttons, so you can have both past and future signs at once and they don't override each other. You just need to find 1 sign of each in each time to get access to those time travel modes. Something like that.
@@Pariah6950 I don't know about activating the time travel mode with a button but I agree about the rest. One last thing: could you post your load order? Cause the mods you linked don't work well together just like that
@@Laekith They aren't fully compatible. Mainly Knuckles gets in the way of a lot. Disable that if you aren't actually going to play as Knuckles. If you are, turn off things like Super Sonic and such that you won't be using.
@@Pariah6950 Yeah I've noticed Knuckles messes with a lot of stuff, it's weird
The time travel screens actually DON’T mask the loading time, the actual loading time is the white screen at the end of that screen
The time travel sequence is just there to look nice
17:55 you’d be surprised. there sre routes intended for speedrunning, they just add difficulty by adding objects like rocks or springs if you mess up even slightly which is annoying but still.
Going to the good future in each act shouldat least be an achievement
Hot Take: In general, Sonic CD is better than other classic games. Not saying it's more fun, but in general, it's better.
Worst special stages??? They're like the only good ones in the classic 4 titles lmao.
Better than 3K? Not for me lol
Blue spheres was so good they decide to make a couple million more for those who wanted to play Blue Spheres for the rest of their lives.
This is my favorite sonic game
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Sonic CD is the sequel for fans who enjoy the exploration and freedom in the games.
Sonic 2’s levels go in the other direction, making more linear and more restrictive levels
This leads to CD being my favourite and 2 being my least favourite of the classics.
Sonic 3 is an in between.
Sonic 2 is restrictive? Lmao no.
Sonic CD is built around exploration, but level design is really restrictive. Also it wants you to go fast in levels that aren’t built around speed just to get the good ending.
Sonic 2 has more linear levels, but it still has different routes and it gives the player lots of freedom. It also has a lot of speed in its levels.
With this ive now caught up with the whole playlist (25 hours of content as of Feb 2024) and i have to say pariah is now solidly one of my favourite creators on the site. Lost world and boom videos are gonna be so good
imo the CD special stages are the best as they have the most depth to them. once you get a hang of it, it’s easy to tell if you will hit it or not.
Also since it’s in an actual 3D field and not on rails, there’s a higher skill ceiling, you can check my channel if you want to see what I mean.
video in question: th-cam.com/video/J5Vn52D5yss/w-d-xo.html
I also like them a lot and would say they are the second best after mania if you count that but i also think the sudden 90 degree turns the ufos can take are pretty bullshit
They should have made them turn more gradually
The bosses in this game I think are pretty good compared to the other classic games. It's cool that there are multiple versions of every level, too bad all of them are bad. Tidal Tempest I don't think is even close to Hidrocity in quality. And the UFO stages worse than the Sonic 1 special stages? Bruh.
Also there are reasons to go the future: there are no enemies if you destroyed both of the generatorsf, there is new music and it's just cool to see it change
that is cool and all but "Hidrocity" really
Just want to give a heads up on the spreadsheet that the fmv accurate Amy shoes mod is privated unable to be downloaded now
27:25 sonic can get above them too.
you know those platforms that send you flying up when they rise? super peelout on them and right when you’re about to be sent flying, release and you’ll easily make it above them.
I didn’t have to destroy the Metal Sonic holograms?
Nope. All that does is make animals appear in the level during the good future.
Pariah: "I like replaying Sonic levels over and over again to learn their layouts."
Also Pariah: "This Sonic game has a design element that encourages you to learn each level's layout. So naturally, I hate this."
@@themissingbits6375 I read this in Rogers voice.... thanks.
Well, if you watched the video you would realize that he complained about it in the context of exploring for meaningless robot generators...and not in context of exploring for better speed strats.
If you actually listened to what he said you would have noticed that he enjoys time attacking Sonic CD which means that he enjoyed exploring the game for faster routes.
Context matters. It's easy to boil it down to ,,Oh, you are a hypocrite" if you just...ignore what he actually said in the video.
16 likes for such a bad comment...impressive.
Totally agree with everything in this video. If im feeling frisky I'll go and destroy the robot generators bc i do think the level design being so vertical is fun to find them. But as you said finding a sign and getting enough speed is incredibly difficult bc the levels just have random rocks and springs EVERYWHERE. I usually just play this game straight when i replay. But the levels when just playing straight are unsatisfying are most are straight lines when no looking for past signs and generators. It's a boring game to play straight, finding the generators is a lot of fun but getting to the past is a pain. If it was easier to get to the past this game would be much much improved. Bc i do like trying to find them. But its not worth all the hassle. Espcially as you said when you accidentally go to the future then i just restart the level bc im not doing 2 past signs lol. Loving all these analysis videos
It was supposed to be an enhanced Sonic 1, not 2. As if you're gonna read this.
Sonic CD is one of the best sonic games
But what if it could be made for Phillips CD-i?
CD is a game I always really want to like but when I play it it's just hard for me to whole heartedly enjoy, it has a fair amount of jank feeling.
I love this series title "Sonic was always good" but you don't shy away from being critical, in fact a lot of your tone seems either neutral/descriptive or critical/negative.
I've just played through the classics and I gotta say I thought the bosses in CD were by far the best. Cordoned to their own levels thank god, frequently a platforming challenge that actually makes use of the core mechanics, and designs that aren't repetitive. I'd much rather achieve a singular objective/set of objectives than do the same thing 8 times.
The execution is pretty poor, the pinball one was a complete mess, but even suffering through it I really appreciated the design philosophy. Platforming challenges, dynamic bosses that change with each hit, an actual race. I wish the subsequent games stuck to this philosophy and improved the execution going forward because I think there's much more potential for fantastic bosses that play to Sonic's gameplay far better than the bog standard 8 hit rinse and repeats.
Best reviews of the classic Sonic games no doubt
I think stardust speedway is a really fun and fast stage overall, good points though on your part.
I’m sorry pariah but the version of sonic CD is gone now so what is the now best version of sonic CD for anyone who has ent got the steam version of sonic CD
You can use the mobile version to get the compilation and mod it into the steam version for compatibility. It's all in the spreadsheet.
@@Pariah6950 Ok thanks dude
First time I’ve heard someone not like stardust speedway like everyone else. Tbh it could use some work
All the time stones do is make you get a good future for every stage
16:50 dont think i didnt see that transition
Dude if you somehow hate sonic cd's special stages more than sonic 2's i am sorry but you have a "skill issue"
Agreed.
Yeah 2's are definitely worse to play.
I've been getting that impression from every one of his videos. Seems like he just wants to rush through every game just to make this series rather than actually learn each game.
Agreed, they’re the most skill based special stages in the classic games
@@Pelcurus in the lore of classic sonic video you can see he just keeps going forward and especially in marble zone he kept jumping in lava
Cool
Sonic CD is so much popular and this is happening before sonic2
Who's saying it's "more popular" than 2?
This is I think the single Sonic game that benefited the most from the remaster. The original game has some horrendous collision detection and that plus the level design being the way that it is led me to just outright dislike the original version of the game. The remaster fixes all the collision issues and of course adds all the extra nice features that you’d expect, so it’s quite fun now, while still probably being the weakest entry in the Classic series at least until Superstars came out.
The only time I have accidentally transitioned to the future was Wacky Workbench. Least fun I have ever had in a Sonic game.
u ever try collecting the sp rings in advanced 2 or bigs fishing or shadow the hedgehogs mission structure or sonic heroes special stages. there are far worse things in the franchise than wacky work bench BELEIVE ME
Haven’t you tried CD Restored?, you can play with Amy.
Instead of Sega CD? But what about Sonic-16?
hey
sonic cd started as a port of Sonic 1 not sonic 2, instead it was developed alongside sonic 2 by sega of japan.
I couldn't disagree more
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I like the Japanese sound tracks better but I like the American opening theme better
i had a much better time playing the special stages on the sega cd.
Why? Then run at a low framerate whereas the remastered special stages run at a full 60fps.
@@paulbell3682 i guess the slowdown gives more time for me to react
DUDE I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE. except for me it was the gems collection version
@@elibonham4388 gems collection was the shit, played so much sonic R
The special stages were so much better in the original non-Christian Whitehead versions of the game. I haven't seen a jump so floaty since the original Sonic Adventure. It was so much faster and more snappy in the version on Sonic Gems Collection.
This is definitely a game where I enjoy the first half but once you get to Wacky Workbench it's a never-ending nightmare of wanting to get off this crazy train.
I like exploration in Sonic games, but even I don't like CD lol
"wandering" sums it up perfectly, all you do is wander around aimlessly and hope you find the generator in levels that somehow simultaneously feel like cluttered messes, and barren wastelands devoid of any sort of challenge. The game doesn't ask you to think outside of the box and use the tools it provides you in creative or interesting ways, you don't even have to do any platforming challenges to find the generators. Sonic Colors and Sonic 3 & Knuckles do this same type of gameplay much better, and even Treasure Hunting in SA2 is more fun than this
Sonic CD has some of the best and some of the worst bosses.
Also you couldn’t go behind the first boss in the original release.
I like cd but It is mainly because I played it a lot after I recoved from not being able to do anything for like 3 months so I have a bias for the game but I rarely revisit it
Guys this video has 999 likes
Sonic cd level desing feels ai generated
No sonic games are good but I at least enjoy playing through sonic cd stages. Get hit by oncoming bullshit less often.
Yeah seriously I do not enjoy this game I played it just to say I beat it but gawd I cringe at the idea of ever having to do a replay of it 😐
This game is so annoying to be played with Sonic, his mechanics are not meant for this kind of exploration. I hated it until I played with Tails, because his playstyle is much more akin to the slowpace and the verticality of the levels.
Anyway, is not a good game at all.
No. Just no.
The soundtrack is bad(us one is dumpster fire).
Level design feels like some one played with the level editor.
There is no innovation.
No rewards for exploration or completing the optional tasks.
The fuck? Never thought I'd see the day someone says Sonic cd has a bad soundtrack
i like the us version of stardust speedway tbh