I have installed both units, there both great units, but most customers like to keep there Nest thermostats and only the Gree Flexx can use a standard thermostat, I also have installed it with a different A coils and flexx coils just as long it’s 16 seer or more it’s works, even works great as a dual fuel heat pump, electric heating and A/C with backup gas heat.
It seems like a small point to choose one manufacturer of another because of a thermostat I go with a brand new thermostat from the manufacturer that communicates Try to use some salesmanship to get the customer to understand which one is better for the situation. It's probably what I would do. I've been in sales engineering etc on all my life so you in the field so you may know better
I have the Mr Cool universal (Gree) and while it’s wonderful. I’m very happy with it due to the price point and diy. While it’s inverter based and does ramp up/down because that’s how inverters behave, it’s certainly not to the level of a communicating unit like the Fit. The technology is good enough and certainly saved me a fortune (48% less kw) heating my home this past winter vs last winter. Might try the ACiq when my other unit dies.
Perfect timing seeing this video. Today just got a quote for a Gree Flex and a Daikin Fit 4 ton in the Fort Lauderdale area. The Gree is 8k and the Daikin is 9k. I think it is a no brainer to install the Daikin Fit.
I have installed 3 Mr cool universal which is the same thing as a gree flex one I matched with a mobile home furnace with a nortec coil. Another one with a Bosch air handler and another one with a 23 year old Lenox air handler that installed a new nortec coil and all three are working great the mobile home furnace is over 20 years old the Best part of the Mr cool/ gree flex is that it becomes one with the coil and air handler just provides air flow so my personal system with the Lenox air handler I just run the fan constantly that's what Comerical buildings do and power to run the fan constantly is minimal.we had 0 degree weather for about a week this past winter and I was getting 110 degree air without heat strips it blew my mind.
To be bias and to be accurate with the information is two different things. We were a large Daikin dealer for several years and left for the Gree. By far a higher performing unit.
My situation is different as I needed a outdoor handler replacement but needed to be able to be paired with a Indoor Coil made by FirstAir. Originally it was paired with a Carrier 25HHA side discharge unit that died after 1 year. Then after research, the Gree Flexx (Mr Cool Universal, ACPro X Series, GE Connect, Lennox) was the only 24V non-communicating that was compatible with the First Air air handler. It was a significant change! The Carrier struggled with keeping out house warm and the Aux Heat constantly needed to be on when it was 40*F outside vs this Gree Flexx Unit I have has saved me energy and is compatible with solar/batteries since there’s no in-rush
I'm a small Daikin dealer that loves the FIT. Virtually no issues and they qualify for rebates from the power company based on the fact they are an inverter not the SEER2 rating. Daikin customer service is also second to non!
Tosot 5ton. Is about 5ft tall, 3ft wide, 15" thick. The inside air handler is huge compared to the old 80% York furnace, I had to make the closet opening 10" wider. Can you do a video on the Gree sub brands like Tosot?
I would like to do a Daikin system but running new wire and lines is out of the question. I live in a 3 story townhouse with a couple units on each side of me. Have to use what I have. Gree Flex or Westinghouse are what I’m looking at currently.
I have a Gree 3 ton Flex and I am not totally happy with the humidity control I get. I am in Austin Tx and I am still finishing my project which doubled the size of my house. Still need attic insulation and crawlspace work, so that will probably make a difference. If I could go back I would definitely have preferred a communicating system provided it was not too much more expensive. I believe the fan speed can be lowered which might help. Had it totally freeze up during an ice storm last year. Lost power for 2 days right afterwards so it did not matter anyway. Definitely need some guttering to help with that.
@HVAC Guide for Homeowners We are building a new home in North Carolina. What inverter based system would you install? The house will be powered by solar mainly and will be high performance home=really tight home with ERV setup. My solar installer recommends Gree.
Hello Josh! I was on your live 'show' Tuesday evening. Reminder, you asked each of us in attendance who our favorite HVAC Co. was, and mine was A-PLUS which you made comment on. I thought I would ask you FIRST. You know I have the extensive Mitsu system, and I was thinking of going to the optional MHK-2 thermostat. Does this give my split system a 'communicating' ability with the ODU? I know that the temp controls are internal in the air handlers and the MHK-2 would override that with a more consistent temp control at a distance. Love to know! Thanks for replies to my questions and I look forward to attending next Tuesday evening🙂.
I’m a daikin dealer and a lg pro dealer. LG is by far a better and cheaper. LG runs from 10 Hz to 150Hz in 1 Hz increment. No other manufacturers have this technology. I also like the carrier Midea ducted system it’s by far the cheapest inverter system on the market. For the money Midea is a great entry level system.
I agree, LG ducted systems are superior IMO. Capable of running 10-150Hz as well as being able to use either a traditional thermostat or an LG wired controller. Either way you still get great performance as the outdoor unit powers the air handler just like on a typical ductless system. The LG can be fully communicating or partially communicating. It’s a good design IMO
Could you tell me if a Daikin Fit would work with a makeup air kit? Have a makeup air kit and am looking at the Fit to replace the current HVAC system.
Daikin bought and now owns Goodman. Not the other way around. And since said acquisition, Goodman has been improving.
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Daikin Dealer just left. I have two questions - They made a big deal about the correct sizing of out duct work and included a $1250 charge to expand the output ducts in our attic. Is correct size duct work that critical? And 2, it looks like the Daikin Fit is not eligible for the Federal tax Credit and this looks to be true for other Inverter systems as well. if the units are so efficient, why don't they rate a tax credit for saving energy?
Josh, I know most just want to know the price point and if it's reasonably reliable. If you were down the road, I'd call you up and have you install a FIT in a NY minute. Two of the Daikin Dealers ard our area just don't give me the comfort level I'm looking for. So the option is the Gree with a moderate amount of Dealer comfort. And, of course the best Dealer in our area only sells Mitsubishi and is a tad expensive (ok more than a tab expensive :-) but he's very good. There's the dilemma. The other point is waiting for the AL2 refrigerants to show up. It appears that will happen sooner at Daikin than with the other Mfgs. I was hoping you'd get into the technical advances in the Gree compared to the FIT. Gree is onto to something with Flexx, looks like Rheem is the latest to Re-Badge them. Thanks for the latest video. Cheers!
@@NewHVACGuideactually a Mr cool universal is a rebadged gree flex. I verified this Saturday by removing the 2 covers on the condenser side discharge unit and unwrapped the compressor blanket and the compressor said gree on it. I got suspicious after I purchased mine 7months ago and was comparing with the gree flex but the gree flex was 700 hundred dollars more. Which I could not afford. And then on you tube a video from an hvac tech in Georgia poped up on you tube where he installed a gree flex on his house and the air handler and condenser just happened to look exactly like my me cool universal done to a tee. Even the refrigerent ports on the air handier. So joshau since I watched your videos on mr cool and your concern about parts I now have your answer call gree to get the parts if you encounter issues with a Mr cool universal from a diy person who does not know what they are doing and does not vac out the system before releasing the refrigerent with those quick connect linesets. Now for gree unlike mr cool they do not offer no vac quick connect linesets and they say in the instruction manual vac out the system by a pro before releasing the refrigerent but gree says only charged up to 15feet but guess what the air handlers with the gree flex come recharged with refrigerent too just like the Mr cool universals. So that means gree flexes come recharged up to 100ft or 75 ft. Of 410 if you buy both the air handjer and condenser if you don't believe me why don't you order a Mr cool universal 3 ton condenser and air handler and gree flex 3 ton each with 10kw heat strips take bot apart and prove me wrong because I guarantee you every part is identical.
I want to get a Daikin fit. Instead we are about to pull the trigger on a Gree Flexx. Simply because we were quoted approximately 50% ($8k) more for the Daikin. Is this appropriate pricing, or is my Daikin contractor trying to cut a fat hog? For clarification: $15k for Gree Flexx $23k for Daikin fit. Both are insane, but Gree is wining on economics here.
@@NewHVACGuide I’ve got more than three. But unfortunately only one contractor in my area sells Daikin. So I can’t compare Daikin to Daikin. The Gree is the most similar piece of equipment I have been able to quote.
I like the Gree Flexx personally have installed about 15 or so of them in the recent past and the customers have been raving about them and lower energy bills
I purchased a 16 seer 5 ton Daiken FIT with a touch thermostat which has been nothing but problems for 45 days since it has been installed. Tons of errors from blower, to thermostat to complete system shut downs. The unit has failed 3 times, twice with an entire shut down, 2 with non cooling and once where the blower stopped, all in 45 days. It also cannot keep temperature at times and/or humidity near what my 16 year old Trane did or my current secondary unit which is a Trane. The dealer has been back approx 8 times as of todays date. Unless you want a daily rollercoaster ride of various sensations, feeling cold, too hot to sweating to no airflow, the unit has run 900 hours in 45 days, averaging 20 hours a day. Any "cost savings tied to efficiency" are thrown out the window and my electric bill has went up in KW utilization as a result. I'd not recommend this product from my experience at all and feel the manufacturer doesn't listen to customer feedback so even more of a reason to bypass this brand. When the dealer basically mandates the sale tended service plan you should have your spidey sense go off and know there's a reason why. Remember diagnostic fees are not covered past year one and under the warranty. This unit tries to be the jack of all so it ends up being the master of none. This unit is far too over engineered. I can only imagine this unit will be removed shortly and I go back to Trane. I had a Trane before for 16 years and was sold this unit based on it being more efficient and better. It's represents none of what the manufacturer says and I would strongly advise against their 5 ton units as from my experience and research are a poor performing model with more communication issues, more service calls and customer frustration. Perhaps these FIT units are better for lighter loads but the product is not reliable, efficient or a product I could recommend. I'd go back to a standard trash can Trane because it's trusted and true.
Hi Jason, first I’m sorry to hear you’ve had so many issues. As someone who has installed dozens of Fits, I can tell you that your experience is not like any I’ve heard. If installed properly, these units have very few issues in my experience. Hopefully your contractor gets the bottom of this and gets you a permanent fix.
@@NewHVACGuide Update: Daiken removed. New Trane installed. Zero humidity issues now. Trane Unit runs 8-10 hours a day compared to the 20 hours a day the Daiken did. Let's be real, the communication technology these HVAC companies portray us simply not prime time ready. Maybe in 15 years but not now. My recommendation for people is to NOT get a communicating unit with all the extra "tech". Add humidity and issues and the tech is simply fried. The problem is simple. Daiken is simply trying to buy the market offering bigger incentives for these dealers to install them and most are not properly trained on the level of detail it takes to install a communicating unit. One installation issue can have profound detrimental impact to the longevity of your HVAC system.
Its just too bad that the "communicating" HVAC has to be that much more expensive while at the same time it cuts down on service times and diag times. Some say the benefits per extra cost just do not provide a fair value in the end.
I have installed both units, there both great units, but most customers like to keep there Nest thermostats and only the Gree Flexx can use a standard thermostat, I also have installed it with a different A coils and flexx coils just as long it’s 16 seer or more it’s works, even works great as a dual fuel heat pump, electric heating and A/C with backup gas heat.
It seems like a small point to choose one manufacturer of another because of a thermostat
I go with a brand new thermostat from the manufacturer that communicates
Try to use some salesmanship to get the customer to understand which one is better for the situation.
It's probably what I would do.
I've been in sales engineering etc on all my life so you in the field so you may know better
@@bruceelias2732 Sometimes you're competing on price, and a $500 communicating controller vs a $50 heat pump thermostat sometimes matters.
I have the Mr Cool universal (Gree) and while it’s wonderful. I’m very happy with it due to the price point and diy. While it’s inverter based and does ramp up/down because that’s how inverters behave, it’s certainly not to the level of a communicating unit like the Fit. The technology is good enough and certainly saved me a fortune (48% less kw) heating my home this past winter vs last winter. Might try the ACiq when my other unit dies.
Perfect timing seeing this video. Today just got a quote for a Gree Flex and a Daikin Fit 4 ton in the Fort Lauderdale area. The Gree is 8k and the Daikin is 9k. I think it is a no brainer to install the Daikin Fit.
Good choice, I’m a BIG fan of the FIT, my customers rave about them.
I have installed 3 Mr cool universal which is the same thing as a gree flex one I matched with a mobile home furnace with a nortec coil. Another one with a Bosch air handler and another one with a 23 year old Lenox air handler that installed a new nortec coil and all three are working great the mobile home furnace is over 20 years old the Best part of the Mr cool/ gree flex is that it becomes one with the coil and air handler just provides air flow so my personal system with the Lenox air handler I just run the fan constantly that's what Comerical buildings do and power to run the fan constantly is minimal.we had 0 degree weather for about a week this past winter and I was getting 110 degree air without heat strips it blew my mind.
To be bias and to be accurate with the information is two different things. We were a large Daikin dealer for several years and left for the Gree. By far a higher performing unit.
I’m quite pleased with my 3yr old communicating inverter’trash can’ compressor. More comfort, good humidity control, lower power bills than before.
What did you get pal?
My situation is different as I needed a outdoor handler replacement but needed to be able to be paired with a Indoor Coil made by FirstAir.
Originally it was paired with a Carrier 25HHA side discharge unit that died after 1 year. Then after research, the Gree Flexx (Mr Cool Universal, ACPro X Series, GE Connect, Lennox) was the only 24V non-communicating that was compatible with the First Air air handler.
It was a significant change! The Carrier struggled with keeping out house warm and the Aux Heat constantly needed to be on when it was 40*F outside vs this Gree Flexx Unit I have has saved me energy and is compatible with solar/batteries since there’s no in-rush
I'm a small Daikin dealer that loves the FIT. Virtually no issues and they qualify for rebates from the power company based on the fact they are an inverter not the SEER2 rating. Daikin customer service is also second to non!
Tosot 5ton. Is about 5ft tall, 3ft wide, 15" thick. The inside air handler is huge compared to the old 80% York furnace, I had to make the closet opening 10" wider.
Can you do a video on the Gree sub brands like Tosot?
I would like to do a Daikin system but running new wire and lines is out of the question. I live in a 3 story townhouse with a couple units on each side of me. Have to use what I have. Gree Flex or Westinghouse are what I’m looking at currently.
Haha. I love how all the units are installed on the ground.
Thanks!
Thank you!!!
I have a Gree 3 ton Flex and I am not totally happy with the humidity control I get. I am in Austin Tx and I am still finishing my project which doubled the size of my house. Still need attic insulation and crawlspace work, so that will probably make a difference. If I could go back I would definitely have preferred a communicating system provided it was not too much more expensive. I believe the fan speed can be lowered which might help. Had it totally freeze up during an ice storm last year. Lost power for 2 days right afterwards so it did not matter anyway. Definitely need some guttering to help with that.
Please email me. I may be able to help.
Hvacguide1@gmail.com
Thanks Josh!!
Good content light as usual
I apologize for calling you Griff last time😂
I have friends that call me that. So no apology needed 🙂
@HVAC Guide for Homeowners We are building a new home in North Carolina. What inverter based system would you install? The house will be powered by solar mainly and will be high performance home=really tight home with ERV setup. My solar installer recommends Gree.
What about Daikin Skyair? Looking at a 4 ton RZQ48* paired with a FTQ48* air handler. Good system?
Hello Josh! I was on your live 'show' Tuesday evening. Reminder, you asked each of us in attendance who our favorite HVAC Co. was, and mine was A-PLUS which you made comment on.
I thought I would ask you FIRST. You know I have the extensive Mitsu system, and I was thinking of going to the optional MHK-2 thermostat. Does this give my split system a 'communicating' ability with the ODU? I know that the temp controls are internal in the air handlers and the MHK-2 would override that with a more consistent temp control at a distance.
Love to know! Thanks for replies to my questions and I look forward to attending next Tuesday evening🙂.
I’m a daikin dealer and a lg pro dealer. LG is by far a better and cheaper. LG runs from 10 Hz to 150Hz in 1 Hz increment. No other manufacturers have this technology. I also like the carrier Midea ducted system it’s by far the cheapest inverter system on the market. For the money Midea is a great entry level system.
We don’t have any LG suppliers near us
@@NewHVACGuide do you have a baker brothers near you?
I agree, LG ducted systems are superior IMO. Capable of running 10-150Hz as well as being able to use either a traditional thermostat or an LG wired controller. Either way you still get great performance as the outdoor unit powers the air handler just like on a typical ductless system. The LG can be fully communicating or partially communicating. It’s a good design IMO
@@donnyjackson1908 I have heard nothing but bad things about LG compressors. What has been your experience?
Hey buddy I’m in the market for new hvac and I’ve been quote a gree flex and a standard heat pump. The gree flex is 1500 higher is it worth it?
Could you tell me if a Daikin Fit would work with a makeup air kit? Have a makeup air kit and am looking at the Fit to replace the current HVAC system.
Hey there the gree flex can be used in a manufacturing home application
At the end of the day, the Daikin is still a Goodman😝🙂
Does that make GREE a MRCOOL? 😉
Daikin bought and now owns Goodman. Not the other way around. And since said acquisition, Goodman has been improving.
Daikin Dealer just left. I have two questions - They made a big deal about the correct sizing of out duct work and included a $1250 charge to expand the output ducts in our attic. Is correct size duct work that critical? And 2, it looks like the Daikin Fit is not eligible for the Federal tax Credit and this looks to be true for other Inverter systems as well. if the units are so efficient, why don't they rate a tax credit for saving energy?
1. Yes
2. Look at the Enhanced version of the Fit. It meets credits that the originial Fit does not
Great comparison， thank you~
Thank you!
Designed to work together is the most important point you made…
Josh, I know most just want to know the price point and if it's reasonably reliable. If you were down the road, I'd call you up and have you install a FIT in a NY minute. Two of the Daikin Dealers ard our area just don't give me the comfort level I'm looking for. So the option is the Gree with a moderate amount of Dealer comfort. And, of course the best Dealer in our area only sells Mitsubishi and is a tad expensive (ok more than a tab expensive :-) but he's very good. There's the dilemma. The other point is waiting for the AL2 refrigerants to show up. It appears that will happen sooner at Daikin than with the other Mfgs. I was hoping you'd get into the technical advances in the Gree compared to the FIT. Gree is onto to something with Flexx, looks like Rheem is the latest to Re-Badge them. Thanks for the latest video. Cheers!
flexx is mr. cool right? who is bosch ids made by? gree?
Mrcool doesn’t make flexx. Bosch is manufactured by Midea
Yes, Mr cool universal made by Gree it is same as flex
@@andreycham4797 Correct.
Gree and Midea makes it for most units out there. Gree makes Daikins
@@NewHVACGuideactually a Mr cool universal is a rebadged gree flex. I verified this Saturday by removing the 2 covers on the condenser side discharge unit and unwrapped the compressor blanket and the compressor said gree on it.
I got suspicious after I purchased mine 7months ago and was comparing with the gree flex but the gree flex was 700 hundred dollars more.
Which I could not afford.
And then on you tube a video from an hvac tech in Georgia poped up on you tube where he installed a gree flex on his house and the air handler and condenser just happened to look exactly like my me cool universal done to a tee.
Even the refrigerent ports on the air handier.
So joshau since I watched your videos on mr cool and your concern about parts I now have your answer call gree to get the parts if you encounter issues with a Mr cool universal from a diy person who does not know what they are doing and does not vac out the system before releasing the refrigerent with those quick connect linesets.
Now for gree unlike mr cool they do not offer no vac quick connect linesets and they say in the instruction manual vac out the system by a pro before releasing the refrigerent but gree says only charged up to 15feet but guess what the air handlers with the gree flex come recharged with refrigerent too just like the Mr cool universals.
So that means gree flexes come recharged up to 100ft or 75 ft. Of 410 if you buy both the air handjer and condenser if you don't believe me why don't you order a Mr cool universal 3 ton condenser and air handler and gree flex 3 ton each with 10kw heat strips take bot apart and prove me wrong because I guarantee you every part is identical.
Does the Daikin Fit offer a ducted air handler?
Yes!
I want to get a Daikin fit.
Instead we are about to pull the trigger on a Gree Flexx.
Simply because we were quoted approximately 50% ($8k) more for the Daikin.
Is this appropriate pricing, or is my Daikin contractor trying to cut a fat hog?
For clarification:
$15k for Gree Flexx
$23k for Daikin fit.
Both are insane, but Gree is wining on economics here.
Get at least 3 quotes 🙂
@@NewHVACGuide I’ve got more than three. But unfortunately only one contractor in my area sells Daikin. So I can’t compare Daikin to Daikin.
The Gree is the most similar piece of equipment I have been able to quote.
I like the Gree Flexx personally have installed about 15 or so of them in the recent past and the customers have been raving about them and lower energy bills
Nice. Have you installed a Daikin Fit yet?
I’d love to see the Samsung Hylex added to the comparison, it seems to be a superior unit to the two mentioned.
Thanks pal. I’ll keep an eye on it. Would you consider it to be one of the more budget friendly solutions when selecting an inverter system?
I purchased a 16 seer 5 ton Daiken FIT with a touch thermostat which has been nothing but problems for 45 days since it has been installed. Tons of errors from blower, to thermostat to complete system shut downs. The unit has failed 3 times, twice with an entire shut down, 2 with non cooling and once where the blower stopped, all in 45 days. It also cannot keep temperature at times and/or humidity near what my 16 year old Trane did or my current secondary unit which is a Trane. The dealer has been back approx 8 times as of todays date. Unless you want a daily rollercoaster ride of various sensations, feeling cold, too hot to sweating to no airflow, the unit has run 900 hours in 45 days, averaging 20 hours a day. Any "cost savings tied to efficiency" are thrown out the window and my electric bill has went up in KW utilization as a result. I'd not recommend this product from my experience at all and feel the manufacturer doesn't listen to customer feedback so even more of a reason to bypass this brand. When the dealer basically mandates the sale tended service plan you should have your spidey sense go off and know there's a reason why. Remember diagnostic fees are not covered past year one and under the warranty.
This unit tries to be the jack of all so it ends up being the master of none. This unit is far too over engineered. I can only imagine this unit will be removed shortly and I go back to Trane.
I had a Trane before for 16 years and was sold this unit based on it being more efficient and better. It's represents none of what the manufacturer says and I would strongly advise against their 5 ton units as from my experience and research are a poor performing model with more communication issues, more service calls and customer frustration.
Perhaps these FIT units are better for lighter loads but the product is not reliable, efficient or a product I could recommend. I'd go back to a standard trash can Trane because it's trusted and true.
Hi Jason, first I’m sorry to hear you’ve had so many issues. As someone who has installed dozens of Fits, I can tell you that your experience is not like any I’ve heard. If installed properly, these units have very few issues in my experience. Hopefully your contractor gets the bottom of this and gets you a permanent fix.
@@NewHVACGuide Update: Daiken removed. New Trane installed. Zero humidity issues now. Trane Unit runs 8-10 hours a day compared to the 20 hours a day the Daiken did. Let's be real, the communication technology these HVAC companies portray us simply not prime time ready. Maybe in 15 years but not now. My recommendation for people is to NOT get a communicating unit with all the extra "tech". Add humidity and issues and the tech is simply fried. The problem is simple. Daiken is simply trying to buy the market offering bigger incentives for these dealers to install them and most are not properly trained on the level of detail it takes to install a communicating unit. One installation issue can have profound detrimental impact to the longevity of your HVAC system.
Its just too bad that the "communicating" HVAC has to be that much more expensive while at the same time it cuts down on service times and diag times. Some say the benefits per extra cost just do not provide a fair value in the end.