The One with Brené Brown | A Bit of Optimism with Simon Sinek: Episode 27
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- Episode 27 of Simon's podcast: A Bit of Optimism
People tell me that Brené Brown’s work, more than anyone else, is the perfect companion to my work. So what a treat for me to talk to Brené to further explore… and debate, well, a whole lot of things. This is…A Bit of Optimism.
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Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together.
Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do.
Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including Start With Why, Leaders Eat Last, Together is Better, and The Infinite Game.
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I think I speak for all of us when I say, “Please do a 15 hour podcast together!”
Yes please 🥰🥰🥰
Make it a weekly podcast or do it regularly! I love bring both thinking together, speaking as a person who does a lot of research on systems thinking, what you guys just did is show us the whole picture! thank you
Knowing their material quite well, I find it adding little, other than that it demonstrates their willingness to learn from the other, but again, it adds hardly any new insight. See also my posting higher up, listening to it through the lense of spiral dynamics.
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Dear Simon,
I am the Director of the Bangor Vet Center in Maine. We provide free counseling to Combat Veterans, survivors of Military Sexual Trauma (MST), & bereavement counseling to family members when someone dies on Active Duty as a separate part of the Veterans Administration. Vet Centers are out in the community and we attempt to help Veterans and family members readjust to life as they reengage and return to their community. I have been the director for 7 years and have long said that I framed how I wanted to lead my team based on your "Leaders Eat Last" talk at the Stockdale Center & Brené Brown's talk "The Power of Vulnerability". This is so wonderful to get to hear the two of you have these conversations. Thank you both for your work, your work has had a profound impact on me and those that I serve on my team or anyone that walks through our front doors. Again, thank you both for helping me create & sustain the team we have here. With gratitude, Kirk
I appreciate how well they disagree. They say it immediately and it results in surprise, laughter, and actual interest to learn what/why. They circle around and try to understand each other's viewpoint, and even if they still disagree, they move to the next topic and carry on a delightful conversation. This was a treat to listen to.
I'd love to model this in my own conversations and disagreements.
Loved this! I enjoyed theback and forth of ideas. I learned so much from listening to the two thought processes.
Thank you!
the way a conversation should be.. go figure.. today people can't even be told they are a little wrong in any aspect of what they say or do.. smh so sad.. i love when someone actually tells me i they disagree.. why is that frowned upon today?
Two of today’s best thinkers talking and challenging each other. This is heavenly. More more pls.
*"You'll watch an entire Netflix series even when the first episodes are slow just because someone told you that 'it gets better', but what if you looked at your goals like that and watched your life get better instead?"*
Hope this can motivate or inspire some people. Love from a small TH-camr 💙
👍🏼❤️
Except I totally give up on the series 🙃
this is the best episode yet. Simon's chuckles and Brene's giggles are infectious.
And finally the conversation we have been waiting for! ❤
One of the best podcasts I've listened to recently.
These two people, both and at different times in my life, inspired me to look at myself - truly look at myself, and drop the fears, habits, and conditionings so many of us are wrap in to finally take a REAL look within and ask, "Are you ready to make changes that will make you feel uncomfortable, wade through the muck of your own BS and recognize the who you are truly and accept it wholeheartedly to discover your deepest, vulnerable and courageous WHY and what makes you YOU?" And I did and it worked - yet, it didn't have in a single ah-ha moment but a myriad and it took time, patience, batting away old avoidant habits, and learning to stand in my energy with a different perspective. Plus, I continue to work every day to keep discovering myself because we are all altered in our everyday lives by those we choose to interact with. In summary - I did the work, let go of expectations of others, and focused the lens on me.
Listen to this podcast and begin the work or continue it.
Thank you to you both! Much love and gratitude! :)
Knowing their material quite well and I appreciate it a lot. Made me discover myself similarly. I find the podcast though adding little, other than that it demonstrates their willingness to learn from the other, but again, it adds hardly any new insight. See also my posting higher up, listening to it through the lense of spiral dynamics.
Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony.
- Mahatma Gandhi
Spot on.
I've listened to this 3 times in tne last 3 days and learned something new each time. 2 of my favorite authors sharing stories and ideas, nothing better.
So so good. One of the best things about honest, open, respectful dialogue (and friendship!) is gracious disagreement. Simon and Brene don’t agree on everything and the way they navigate and express that is an amazing example of this. ❤️
I'm a huge fan of both Simon and Brene`. This was an absolutely beautiful conversation to bear witness to. Sending to three friends, and hitting play again right now. Thank you both for the work you do - it is changing the world. It has changed me.
I have been falling in love with Brene' Browns work for the past year or so, having devoured Simons i am honestly so happy you both did this podcast. Currently listening to Daring Greatly and loving this over some wine while supper cooks. Please make the 15 hour podcast lol
if we had the Simon Senek party and the Brene Brown party, we would save America, because the way these two workout disagreements or differences is brilliant. Unlike our politicians, they dont belittle, insult become defensive or try to compete over who is right. They work on COMMON GROUND and troubleshoot from there. Brilliant!!!
Two of my favourite people!!! OMG!!! 💗
This is what our brain should be consuming! I can listen to you two all day!!
"I'm hardwired to punch them in the face" Love that Brene pulls no punches.
"I disagree"
"Go on"
This was so great to listen to 2 amazing people in a discussion. They disagree on a few things and yet willing to listen to the others view.
"This is not "or", its "and" Brilliant!!!
Vulnerability minus boundaries is not vulnerability at all!!! Spot On - such great insight.
"I'm hardwired to punch them in the face, but I don't" Then you really aren't hardwired that way. "So I don't think we disagree" "I dont think we do either" Not sure why she made the statement that she disagrees to begin with.
38:30 "say something."
Responses "its not perfect yet"
Lmao 🤣rofl. I feel the same too
Could you make a series of you two talking please??? 💕💕💕
Or publish your e-mails and text to one another, right?
Yes!🙌🏻
I’m legit in love with both of these people
*"You are one desicion away from a totally diffrent life."*
I can just hug you for saying that about parenting Mrs Brown!!! We must be the example, we program our kids and thus we make society and future adults. 🙏 Trauma and setbacks brings humans together. It is an opportunity to bind people together, whether male, female, white or black. Inspire on 💘.... Keep playing, keep inspiring and keep loving. 🙏
“Vulnerability minus boundaries, and an understanding of why you’re sharing, is dangerous”
So refreshing to listen to this level of thought and insight. The back and forth and working through the differences of thought. So powerful and moving!
the "finite vs. infinite" game gives me a wonderful framework for collaborative journeys in challenging times - where we have no destination but along the way there are milestones to celebrate and look back
*Day one or one day.* *You decide.*
*If you saw this comment, I hope today will be the day one for you.* 🖤
I’d most definitely listen to that 15 hour podcast!! You both are great
Thank you to both of you, two of my favourite minds, thinking out loud together. I learn so much from both of you. Bring on the 15hr version! Be well 🌹
The two of you having a conversation is just amazing. I love how you can disagree with respect for one another and both be open to hearing each other’s perspective. Thank you both ❤️
This was the best TH-cam video I’ve listened to in a long long long time. Huge fan of you both for different reasons. 💚😊
My two favorite people!! Thank you for shining bright in this dim world! 🙏☀️
You Two need to do this again and again, and with us seeing your vulnerable facts and leadership chops.. in action. This is the purest Gold I have run across on TH-cam. THIS!!!!
What I also like about this is that both seem not to be so bothered about how they sound to us the audience (look/sound nice for the camera). Both approach life principles from different angles, and that's the flavor. The conversation is not preachy, each person tries to help the other understand his/her position, but disagreement is allowed...just cool. This conversation oozes with more quality if you've listened to each of them severally before this.
Wow! I just looooved listening to you 2. When I saw this on my way to work, at the traffic light looking for something to listen to that will inspire, I did not think I will find this! 😄. I was so engaged in your conversation that I found myself smiling all through it! I imagined joining in the conversation. That is how similar my feeling / thinking were to the flow of the topics covered. And by the way, I will join the 15-hour podcast...🤣🤣
This combo is the perfect balance. You both became less gimmick-y to me today. I hope you continue this collab. Thank you for what your doing/being underneath your celebrity.
I really like Brene's comment about the WHY sitting on top of the 3-legged stool. I agree with her. After reading Find Your WHY and going through the process of creating a WHY statement, I had to focus a great deal of thought on my behavior and feelings in many different situations to come up with the words that could summarize my WHY. Thinking about behavior and feelings is how I got to my WHY.
YES!!!!! Please do a 15 hour (or days 🤷🏽♀️) podcast with Brene!!!!
2 of my favorite 'I stand up for everyone who doesn't yet themselve and inspire them to do so' and together .... we heal the private lives ánd work lives of soooo many, so we in the end whole this world. By bringing pain to the table, out in the open; pushing these new gateways wide open. The only thing we as a person have to do, is to take on the challenge to more authenticity in our own lives.
If I do this for me and my surroundings, and sparkle this outwards ... we show our fellow humans it is possible to be real and belong. No matter whát.
I'm IN!❤️❤️
At 45 I’m just now getting why I’ve had problems communicating with both partners in business and relationships. Not to say that I’ve never had any great partnerships. I never understood why people have to make things more complicated then it is. It’s one shit test after another and how we learn and deal with these tests are the results of our reality.
So love and adore this two!! I could listen to them all day. I have learned so much from their books, TED talks and podcasts. All blessings and power to you guys.
Best episode ever!! Simon and Brené you are my favourite 2 authors/ speakers in the world!! and the bing-bong dynamic between both of you is so inspiring and intellectually stimulating!! Thank you :)
This conversation went over my head around 25-30 mins in. So beautiful back and forth is happening here, involving some elusive concepts.
Same for me, and I usually love and follow this type of conversation. But, I think it was actually semantics and splitting hairs. There is a message that was over and above what seemed confusing.
15 hour podcast = The Infinite Podcast
This was an excellent sharing of ideas. Thank you.
Thank you Brene for pointing out the systemic and intersectionality side during that part in the convo where ‘men are better entrepreneur’s. From one social worker to another it’s really wonderful how you introduce these ideas so naturally and help broaden people’s awareness with that lens! Really enjoyed the convo.
I couldn’t leave this podcast without saying that it is probably one of the best I have ever heard. Ideas and believes were share without attachment and total openness. Love both of them! Thank you for inspiring me.
Simon's laugh cracks me up. The BEST! 🤣
OMGGGGGGGGGGGG two of my favorites Finally!!!!!!!! I love both of you. 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻🥰🥰🥰🥰
I adored the conversation & the friendly challenging relationship you two exhibited in this connection. Thank you so much for tons of insights, fun & the genuine laughter. @Simon your laughter was contagious 😅
I believe the concepts of start with why and vulnerability with boundaries moving past shame to empathy will live on.
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As a lifetime Ballerina, become (slash) an Accountant, I understand the metaphor.
I appreciate both of their books. To hear them discuss ideas together brings my moments of joy.
Heard this in podcast form when it came out. Thank you for making me aware of Brené's work Simon. Have subsequently watched her TED talk and bought her book - Daring Greatly - it has helped me contextualise so much of my life and contributed in me changing careers. Love both your work!
Vulnerability and wound have a common root: in german "VerWUNDbarkeit" and "Wund(e)" shows their common root.
Remember the roots of these languages you can see in "Wundheilung" and "wound healing" - even smiliar pronounciation
Wound is usually caused by an error or something unexpected had happend.
Wounds are virtual reminders like scars are physical reminders of errors made or - forged by optism - lessons learned.
And the usual counter measure against wounds was armor, the picture a knight in full armor.
If you had shared a secret with someone and you were or felt betrayed once you would not share it again and close this vulnerability in your amor. Since the middle age black powder had made the personal armor obsolete - till the tank had been invented and later armored vests for police reappeared but the unvisible armor grew from childhood on .
Vulnerability means to might get hurt again physically or mentally. Therefore we train and strengthen our mental health as invisible protection. To allow vulnerability or better to become vulnerable would mean to open a tiny piece of our protection and amour - but that is like draggin the first stone out of wall - cause one will call that hole "not a big deal" while others will fear an unstoppable avalanche or chain reaction.
There is a german song with this line "when the first stone falls out of the wall the breaktrough is near".
This is a metaphour that things - like your personal amor - will get out of control if the first stone is fallen cause others can look behind that wall.
Like the insurmountable "iron curtain" between east germany and west germany mostly known abroad as the Berlin Wall which was close to perfection considering the amount of killed and incercarated that wanted to get over it compared to the tiny few that made it in the 80s. And which american knows that first stone that fall out of the Berlin Wall ?
The first were Berlins major Reuter "Nations of the world look at our city" and John F. Kennedy "I am a Berliner" (Berlin citizen) and decades later the hungarians that let east germans cross the border to austria. This was the first crack and stone that was fallen out of that iron curtain or wall and 4 weeks later the Berlin Wall fell.
I guess vulnerability is a question of TRUST, and not much more. If you trust you will be willing to share and become vulnerable which would mean in german verwundbar = woundable but woundability does not exist and vulnerability might have replaced it.
Might be a question of the roots of a word back in the days when the tribes of angeln and saxxons settled where I lived before they moved to conquer England and melt to a new unity with a melting pot of languages.
Two amazing minds coming together for too brief of an enlightening conversation
They disagree and it’s so positive. We need a 15hour podcast!!
Loved this pod cast!!! Both are my favorite people - gurus nowadays. Just to add a tip on something you talked about: The three legged stool you talk about is one of the onthological models created by Rafael Echeverría in 1994 in his book Ontología del lenguaje, which is the basis of one, if not the most important coaching model.
These podcast sessions on youtube could be so much more impactful, if we could see Simon and the guest speaker, than just listening to the audio!!
34:59 "This too will pass", hahah! I like his laugh! Brené's too!
This is a must watch! Simon Sinek and Brené Brown? 🤩 I'm tuning in!
Brene' and Simon, an awesome motivating team! Awesome guys! Thank you!
Superb! I started this thinking I'd do the first fifteen minutes with my lunch and listen to the rest later. Fifty-three minutes later...
Apart from all the gems in here, you've also given us a masterclass on the art of debate. When the world opens up again, you should do a lecture tour together! Thank you for sharing this.
Awesome. Two of my favourite leadership experts!
I freaking love love love love love this entire chat !!!!!!
Oh just wonderful! So much to take and think about further. Thank you both!
Really love this. The way the two of you exchanged ideas, disagreed, laughed and finally agreeing on a common understanding of those ideas gave me the chance to broaden my point of view. Thank you 😌
What a treat 2 of my favourite people at the same time
You are both my favourite people I don't know personally in the world. Thank you for this wonderful conversation. Keep doing what you are doing, you are leaving this world in such a better place. ❤
This is amazing you two together! Thank you. Yes, please do more! 🌻
This is the most amazing conversation... thank you so much to both you beautiful people 🙏🏻♥️♥️ love you
Huge fan of you Simon. I work at Amazon right now, as did not want to go on unemployment and just shared your video of what is love and others with them. You my friend are great and love your work!
Thank you Simon and Brene for the amazing podcast!! You both are my my favorite!! I learn so much from your work
LOL!!! Ya mean a story? 😆😆😁😁 I needed this as my wake up this morning- thank you!
Thank you, thank you, thank you Simon and Brené 🙏🏻
Stunning stuff. 2 great minds who show that being willing to listen and trying to understand each other can overcome differences. What special people!! We need more of them.
Thanks to you both for being such an inspiration and amazing teachers for so many of us. I leave the discussion very inspired.
In the beginning i was taking notes of things that i found interesting hoping i can ruminate and then talk to some of my friends and colleagues about it afterwards. 20mins into listening i gave up. And i just listened. If you ever Brene do decide to do that 15hr podcast please post it up. Would live to listen to it. 😍😎🥸
Two of my favorite people!
Both of you should spread your messages over rooftops❤️
Really had such an amazing experience from the clearly stated
ideas you presented in this podcast❤️
Thanks a million 🙏
What could be better than this?
Thank you.
Hey Simon 👋 you're a great leader 😊
"Why" isnt on the stool. It IS the stool (which is why it is so powerful, it engages all three legs, making it the strongest of all).
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Yes, its the seat that holds the 3 legs together.
Lovely 😍😍😍finally both reunited... great discussions
I was really happy to come across this. Here are two of my all time favourites. Thank you.
I love this!! This is incredible 🤍 thank you both!!
I want to keep hitting the like button! Thank you for giving us language for how we feel, think, and relate to others.
My two favourites❤️🙌🏻
Wow!!! Hands down, one of the best talks I've heard in a long time!
Such a great podcast. Is there a transcript available? I want to retain this information and being able to read it would be incredibly helpful.
Freaking awesome session. Wonderful to have two of my favourite mentors in the room together discussion concepts that I find so fascinating. That contribute to expanding my understanding of myself and how the world works. Thank you so much.
I love this podcast so much!!! Thank you both for your valuable thoughts, guidance, and inspiration!!! I appreciate your ability to disagree so happily. So great!
This may be the most entertaining podcast I have ever listened to, Loved it!
I love love loved this episode. my two favourite speakers and authors..
I love you both, Simon and Brené. Haha
Ok so have a talk every so often once a month maybe at least. And do zoom or something so we can see your faces. I’m imagining you are talking while walking along a river. Maybe in the future you can do that. Thanks.
I love Simon's laugh
Simon, wish U will have more work with Brene Brown about relationships & emotions in the future 🙏🏻
Excited to see this happened and to listen to this conversation! 😃
So spot on together spirituality. Yeah to both of you. I love you both singly together you are so are thought provoking. Do your 15 hour pod cast. I'll be here.
I love a woman who swears freely.
Haha how apt...my last visit to the bookstore back in Feb, I bought both their books; Simon's "Leaders Eat Last" & Brené's "The Gifts of Imperfection".
I listened to this podcast through the lense of Spiral Dynamics. Spiral Dynamics is the book of Cowan and Beck based on Graves' work. The book explains a model to understand the evolution of individuals, organisations and cultures and society. An individual, an organisation and cultures are in a certain colour condition, a value system basically (beige, purple, red, blue, orange, green, yellow, turquoise) and evolve in a certain direction. This colour condition can be different depending on the context (e.g. my preferred colour at home is different than when I am in a project team at work). The theory also takes into account a person's state that is either closed, arrested or open. This state and the colour largely define whether evolution is possible and also largely guides the best approach to take to influence a person.
Both BB and SS both try to move the average blue/orange state of people/organisations/society in the US towards green/yellow. BB more addresses it from the individual's situation (requiring to move away from closed/arrested to open) whereas SS addresses it more from the organisation/societal ambition to become infinite minded which is basically yellow. The spiral dynamics lense permits this understanding but also explains easily the points where they sometimes don't agree.
I value their views a lot but find them missing the opportunity to address it from the (person, organisation, society) evolutionary point of view and also to differentiate their views depending on the context/situation. For instance, in a dogma based religious context (red/blue) or an orange (success, status) business culture, the yellow concept/vision has very little chance to land. You have to tune your message/vision to the colour of the environment. I understand that this would render the discussion and the message a bit more intricate as it is all situation driven. I do believe though that such approach would generate possibly more impact.
I love the discussion at 22: min in . Both are important the visionary and the critical thinker I think the challenge is they get into a tug of war instead of seeing the VALUE of both .
Very inspiring. Thank you. God bless. 🙏🏿