$120 Budget Hotswap Custom Keyboard! - D60 Lite Review

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  • @hamajineo
    @hamajineo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    Let me know which sound test you like the most and whether you prefer the 67 Lite or the D60 Lite!

    • @yassineb4363
      @yassineb4363 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Bear Wilson sus

    • @deathstrom5085
      @deathstrom5085 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The 67lite sounds better imo

    • @MS-pm4mu
      @MS-pm4mu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Personally like the sound slightly better in the D60 by just a hair. but overall by price, layout, cost for what you get, it would have to be the 67 lite that takes the dub :)

    • @yassineb4363
      @yassineb4363 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Hoghiderrr confirm it

    • @LearningLifeToday
      @LearningLifeToday 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Leah go

  • @noahhyun3172
    @noahhyun3172 3 ปีที่แล้ว +301

    I actually prefer having my stabs come in completely stock; this allows me to holee mod without having to clean off any of the excess lube. A lot of people also don't clip stabs to my liking (they leave a little chunk of plastic on the bottom instead of clipping the legs completely).

    • @user-kz9rz8ui1c
      @user-kz9rz8ui1c 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I completely agree, cleaning off lube is kind of a nightmare when you need any kind of adhesive to stick.

    • @maxmouse3
      @maxmouse3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree with you:)

    • @iv624
      @iv624 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does the amount of plastic you clip off change how the stabs feel?

    • @eliasvaly2273
      @eliasvaly2273 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree!

    • @iv624
      @iv624 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marcc6296 Ah so I see. I’m still new to keyboard modding so this is still a bit new for me. Thanks 👌

  • @HipyoTech
    @HipyoTech 3 ปีที่แล้ว +399

    But can you upgrade me next?

  • @jcarbon3008
    @jcarbon3008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i recently built a d60 hhkb with gateron inks and omg.....couldn't be any happier with the final outcome. highly recommend the d60/d60 lite

  • @gideonlee7935
    @gideonlee7935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just wanna say great video. And want to say thank you for the amount of patience you have to swap out all the switches just for us to have a better understanding of how it sounds!

  • @shiftmatt6264
    @shiftmatt6264 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Let’s goo I just bought this last month and I’ve been waiting for someone to review it other that shoobs for more details

  • @nakanorg
    @nakanorg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    0:30 the messy desk aesthetic though 🤤

  • @MS-pm4mu
    @MS-pm4mu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Hey Hamaji, by just things I’ve noticed in the discord… I want to let you know, you’re doing great!! You’ve made so much progress and I hope you continue with this passion. Ruts can be annoying and tiresome, but we have your back and we have patience to go at your pace and support you. You’ll do wonders!!
    Best regards

    • @Lama-fe3gv
      @Lama-fe3gv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm glad he's back !!!

    • @finnjakdmore2027
      @finnjakdmore2027 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I really like your pfp

    • @MS-pm4mu
      @MS-pm4mu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you :>

  • @karagaaa
    @karagaaa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    dude i love how whenever he ''upgrades'' a keyboard he gets gmk keycaps

    • @hamajineo
      @hamajineo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      purely aesthetics, you can put any keycaps you want :)

    • @karagaaa
      @karagaaa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@hamajineo but that makes ur 120 budget kb like 320 dollars so would like to see you do a build with normal keycaps

    • @hayden312
      @hayden312 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      true but u can get some gmk clones as an alternative so it's okay ig

    • @karagaaa
      @karagaaa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hayden312 no its not okay,they arent the same

    • @ItsNotFrey
      @ItsNotFrey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      ​@@karagaaa please don't try to start an argument. people are allowed to buy whatever keycaps they want. there are diff pros and cons to both getting genuine keycaps and clones

  • @afkNate
    @afkNate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:46
    I really like that editing, good job.

  • @pixxel17
    @pixxel17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The 67 lite and the D60 both seem really good. It honestly just comes down to what you prefer. 67 lite for a more muted sound and standard layout. D60 for a more soft and poppy sound, unique layout and aesthetics.

  • @rawrens
    @rawrens 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love the push for the new videos! Remember to also prioritize your self-care :)

    • @hamajineo
      @hamajineo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      🥰

    • @karloof2609
      @karloof2609 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hamajineo have you tried the boba u4t?

  • @yassineb4363
    @yassineb4363 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    my day can't get any better
    Thank you Hamaji!!

  • @TheManicGeek
    @TheManicGeek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    TBH the only thing that turns me off from the D60 Lite is that gloss finish, otherwise it looks and sounds like a solid board... assuming that's your sort of thing. Layout-wise I definitely prefer the 67 Lite tho, needs muh keys.

  • @Nobbero
    @Nobbero 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ive watched this like 10 times now, I don't know how you make all of your videos so crisping good. Well Done!

  • @andrejnaumovski8622
    @andrejnaumovski8622 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I hope they release the silicone mute pad as a separate option so I can replace the foam in my aluminium D60. If this is going to be in stock then it's a big win for KBDFans. The aluminium D60 is a really great keyboard (maybe a bit overpriced but still very very good).

  • @2ezflix820
    @2ezflix820 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have waited for a new vid bro, always looking out to see them, thanks and keep it going boss 🔥

  • @mikhalandrew3957
    @mikhalandrew3957 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the video! Keep it up Hamaji!

  • @hantze
    @hantze 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HOLY MUSIC 8:58

  • @tide6447
    @tide6447 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    when hamaji is cool
    hamini neo
    hamini nao
    hamniini wao

  • @ChubiPanda
    @ChubiPanda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I prefer a 65% layout but I love the aesthetic of the D60. If they make a D65 lite I'm all in.

  • @Jakiyyyyy
    @Jakiyyyyy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the inspo. I'm so intimadating for white keyboards/keycaps. With this video, I'm so convinced and have more confidence to combine some of white keys with my black board. Nice color scheme and clean looking also.

  • @athmaid
    @athmaid 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:53 that's because those edges are most likely not mashined lol. It's looks like it's injection molded, that's how you can get these really smooth and shiny surfaces as well. I could be totally wrong but that's what the structure of the parts looks like to me

  • @spuddy7547
    @spuddy7547 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    sheeeesh hamaji boi dropping another banger

  • @MARthePaintballer
    @MARthePaintballer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HHKB > the WORLD

  • @QuasiKeys0
    @QuasiKeys0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    do you dream of hamaji neo?

  • @Redd56
    @Redd56 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    From tftuber to keyboard man extraordinar

  • @bxnes9795
    @bxnes9795 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    the 67 lite is better imo because of the arrow keys but man the d60 looks clean

    • @kael5912
      @kael5912 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Henlo reaps

    • @blues9215
      @blues9215 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Henlo reaps and kael

    • @bxnes9795
      @bxnes9795 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kael5912 henlo kael

    • @nkaho7343
      @nkaho7343 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      henlo kael and blues and reaps

  • @kevinnoti4999
    @kevinnoti4999 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn I’m mad early, great video hamaji!

  • @zeee2168
    @zeee2168 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    d60 all the way HHKB supremacy

  • @Madzuka
    @Madzuka 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like the holee mod for hotswap boards, because at least if the bandaid’s adhesive starts to wear off, you can easily fix it. I don’t know why but my band aids keep peeling up and then getting stuck in between the stabs, I had to take apart my board several times before it finally stayed in place. It didn’t seem to matter what brand either and I washed the stabs to make sure there wasn’t any lube causing it to come off. If you have a soldered build though, it would be extremely annoying if this were to happen. I still love the holee mod though, it’s super easy and I always have a difficult time lubing the wire perfectly, no matter what type of lube or grease it is.

    • @dABiGfATLol
      @dABiGfATLol 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      maybe during install your finger oils rubbed onto the sticky pt of the bandaids? i try to avoid touching the sticky bits of the bandaid as much as i can.. but only done the holee mod once and its holding well :)

    • @Madzuka
      @Madzuka 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah I use tweezers to apply the bandaid to the housing too, not sure why they weren’t sticking but eventually I got it to stay. I currently have a soldered build where the stabs after awhile are starting to rattle, and it sucks I don’t want to desolder the whole thing just to fix it 😩

    • @dABiGfATLol
      @dABiGfATLol 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Madzuka dang tht sucks i feel you haha plate mount stabs have the benefit of modability i guess 😂

  • @definitely_solo_duck
    @definitely_solo_duck ปีที่แล้ว +1

    is the keyboard 5pin or 3pin just what to know for a build

  • @johnsims3729
    @johnsims3729 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This man seems underrated

  • @thecookie2674
    @thecookie2674 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like the D60 , tho personally I would rather have the KBD67 Lite , I don't like the design of the D60 , but still the build looks amazing !

  • @potion95
    @potion95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m weird, I absolutely love the layout on the HHKB. Once you get used to it it’s really hard to go back.

  • @Varinius
    @Varinius 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    was refreshing because there was nothing interesting to watch, perfect timing!

  • @crombes
    @crombes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ayy new upload

  • @csabi_qn
    @csabi_qn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome back

  • @oswin5565
    @oswin5565 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to love the DZ60 hot swap so much but I've had only mind melting frustration with flashing the ones I've built. Every time I deal with them, they register as different boards than the version labeled on the PCB and don't flash successfully, with some of the default firmware key assignments not working, despite the board testing being successful.
    Regardless, great build, beautiful keyboard. I'm glad it works for you :)

  • @lil_syba
    @lil_syba 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    OMG that sounds lovely

  • @jnicemiz
    @jnicemiz ปีที่แล้ว

    Once you get used to hhkb layout -- split backspace, control in caps lock position, fn + [;/' as arrows, and kl,. as navigation keys, it's really hard to go back to anything else (That may be a bad thing if you have a lot of ansi layout boards!!!) Key placement is superior, and it's so easy to access arrows and nav keys.

  • @WoollyMittens
    @WoollyMittens 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The D60 is fun if you want to play with the HHKB layout.

  • @thebaldpizzaman6319
    @thebaldpizzaman6319 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keyboard asmr gang rise up

  • @cengi
    @cengi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You should try the PE foam mod which gives the Poppy Sound signature. Worked really well on my budget board

    • @owenli407
      @owenli407 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How u do it

    • @cengi
      @cengi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@owenli407 search it on yt

  • @iln9598
    @iln9598 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    one more thing to choose the d60 lite is it has a more wide, various colorways that i loved to

  • @eggstatus5824
    @eggstatus5824 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I looked over at my phone the very moment I got this notification, so thats why I am now here very early
    Ok im actually going to go out of my way to purchase the Boba 4U's. I've been looking for a good silent tactile switch because I feel like my current keyboard, although I appreciate it, is a bit too loud for my liking considering the fact that I make gaming videos and every keyboard sound is picked up

  • @datsquatch6121
    @datsquatch6121 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice vid mate!

  • @White0Reaper
    @White0Reaper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Unless there is gonna be another run of the KBD67 I don't think it really matters if we prefer the 67 over this.
    This is what I dislike about these "entry level boards" that are advertised as entries into the hobby yet if you don't happen to be around during the GB period you are out of luck

  • @ChubiPanda
    @ChubiPanda 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The D60 lite is the better looking board IMO. 60% boards do generally look better but the added functionality for the sake of an additional 1u on width is worth the aesthetic sacrifice.

  • @takoyakeys
    @takoyakeys 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Puts Olivias on keeb
    End game achieved

  • @chrisdotdash5154
    @chrisdotdash5154 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    6:22 I absolutely love Glorious Pandas as well!! They were my first tactile switch, and after some lubing, they sound and feel amazing! Definitely an awesome choice (kinda underrated as well).

    • @imprial
      @imprial 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Gatsuu same

    • @calussy8040
      @calussy8040 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Gatsuu ye, I hate the sizing, their a pretty decent option if you have a 60% or 65% but anything more and you have to buy another pack, significantly increasing the price of the switches per dollar. (A pack of glorious panda's is 35 switches, a very awkward number.)

    • @chrisdotdash5154
      @chrisdotdash5154 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@calussy8040 Other companies sell switches in packs of 36 (not 35). I think it is a bit awkward, but only if you are buying more than 72 switches. If you want 80 or 90 switches, you are forced to spend more money. But the switch to dollar of 72 switches vs 70 is only .01. I did the math. But yeah, a cash grab move by Glorious (and it isn’t surprising). The switches have a bunch of ping stock, but I lubed mine with 205g0 and super lube oil for the springs, and they feel super clacky and satisfying. I personally like the tactility on the pandas over U4Ts.
      They are a bit more than U4Ts, but much less than Holy Pandas.

  • @oliverselwyn5617
    @oliverselwyn5617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    King 👑

  • @waffleswyd
    @waffleswyd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    great review, as always!! I prefer the 67 lite, i never liked how the d60 lite layout is

    • @hamajineo
      @hamajineo  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      a man of culture

    • @waffleswyd
      @waffleswyd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hamajineo lmao

    • @user-qk8rt9yf9v
      @user-qk8rt9yf9v 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@waffleswyd @heyjay you can get it in the standard 60% layout

    • @waffleswyd
      @waffleswyd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-qk8rt9yf9v that may be true but i need them arrow keys

    • @user-qk8rt9yf9v
      @user-qk8rt9yf9v 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@waffleswyd just use via to layer it

  • @FishSnackems
    @FishSnackems 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How easy would it be to just replace keys? Like the switches themselves, on a normal keyboard
    Mines Hella loud with mx blues, and it makes it hard to hear rhythm games

    • @razer1158
      @razer1158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Depends, search your keyboard model and find out if it’s hotswap. Can you tell me what your keyboard is?

    • @FishSnackems
      @FishSnackems 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@razer1158 it's some cheapo keyboard, Hcman H02

    • @aemath5566
      @aemath5566 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FishSnackems i dont think the Hcman H02 is hotswap

    • @zacharytaylor9549
      @zacharytaylor9549 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah just depends on keyboard. On most cheap ones they don’t have hotswap and even on gaming keyboards such as Razer and Corsair they also don’t have it. Most of the time hotswap is just for custom boards but can be found sometimes on premade boards. If u want a hotswap board a good suggestion is the GK61 or RK61. Do keep in mind that some RK61 models don’t have hotswap though.

    • @FishSnackems
      @FishSnackems 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aemath5566 ah, alright, thank you

  • @Bryan-xn4ti
    @Bryan-xn4ti 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It sounds great 😫

  • @TankErdin
    @TankErdin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on reviewing prototype keyboards. I've been a long time happy customer of kbdfans and I trust them to not provide prototypes that are "better" than the final production model, but I'm often hesitant to see how the product that customers can purchase looks. Changing manufacturer or supplier on a part or two can make a huge difference to the end product, and vendors will always be incentivized to get the best version of a board out to reviewers since those reviews are doing basically all of the advertising for the product, especially one as subjective as keyboards can be.

  • @verodeus
    @verodeus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought this said $20 my poor ass jumped out of my seat for joy 😭

  • @gameranters
    @gameranters 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Final thoughts trying the Boba U4?

  • @abcdefuuu
    @abcdefuuu ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I have your honest opinion on the kbdfans 65 and the Finalkey 65 r2? I’m relatively new to the hobby. They’re both around the same price and I’m leaning towards the Finalkey since they come with keycaps and is aluminium. What makes kbdfans so expensive and are they really worth it? Thanks in advance!

  • @imCylo
    @imCylo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did the GB for this keyboard already happen? It said it was supposed to be a month ago but it also said they're still working on the case?

  • @coganada2468
    @coganada2468 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are we soon getting a reacting to your custom keyboards 5? Thats always great content and I may even submit this time ;)

  • @rohitdoestech
    @rohitdoestech 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks so cool with the grey also you should try the gazzew bobagums.

  • @tauntyyt
    @tauntyyt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Couldn't you just get the Tokyo60?

  • @jamesb2935
    @jamesb2935 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I get KBD67 right now? Only thing I see if the new R3 drop coming Black Friday but I feel like it'll be impossible

  • @reilly1009
    @reilly1009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    cheesecake is the best cake fight me

  • @joel_2k
    @joel_2k 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Before watching this I hope you recommend the Kbd67 lite because I already ordered it. Nervous emoji.

  • @Soulz-Ss
    @Soulz-Ss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can you try banna split switches please

  • @Luci_71
    @Luci_71 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm looking at building a board around 300 dollars do you think that dinokeys mint switches are good

  • @blockin9556
    @blockin9556 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try a 67 lite with pe foam and or tape if you want the poppier sound

  • @calussy8040
    @calussy8040 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How would the D60 compare to the Rama Kara, same layout with the Kara being the more expensive option.

    • @BearBoi-sy9tz
      @BearBoi-sy9tz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      On paper I think d60 lite wins

  • @anzarr7
    @anzarr7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello love your content it makes my day ur videos R nice place

  • @lunar4271
    @lunar4271 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    sounds nice!

  • @jalexanderc
    @jalexanderc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now I'm really looking forward to the d60 lite x epbt cool kids board I ordered! 🥳 Thanks for doing sound tests with different switches and foam configurations!

  • @maple8915
    @maple8915 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    where did you get the lube from 4:00 why is the container huge

  • @kathiesmith5212
    @kathiesmith5212 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you please make a setup tour, I love your setup

  • @yuvalburdo5992
    @yuvalburdo5992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hamaji Can You Please Make A Build With J-02? I Really Want To Get Into Custom Keyboard And I Wanna See The Board

  • @lng_k
    @lng_k ปีที่แล้ว

    When you click waiting list can you take the request back or you force to buy it

  • @samrichter451
    @samrichter451 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can you do a budget TKL keyboard?

  • @lilxedits6969
    @lilxedits6969 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    good one hamini

  • @LearningLifeToday
    @LearningLifeToday 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm looking for a costum budget keyboard for around 200$ and I'm not sure what to use.

  • @aadinabera6368
    @aadinabera6368 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi hamaji, I ordered some alpaca v2s from iced keys at the start of June using ur discount code. however they still haven't arrived yet, do u know any way I can contact them?

  • @ifeelwxsted
    @ifeelwxsted 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    HOW DO I CROUCH WITH CONTROL WITH THAT, it's genuinly triggering me

  • @fritzjaydengo3537
    @fritzjaydengo3537 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Hamaji can you buy and review the k2v2? And upgrade it too un a future video. Thanks!

  • @Kazumawastaken
    @Kazumawastaken 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fixed focus go brrrr

  • @jouj8087
    @jouj8087 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should I get this or a tofu 65?

  • @popsik891
    @popsik891 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    can u make a budget build for begginers with boba u4t because i've been thinking about a build with boba u4t for a long time now

  • @iamsepd
    @iamsepd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is your deskmat called?

  • @violentstepstool
    @violentstepstool 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hamaji Nei: Budget
    Me with my £10 membrane:
    He he NO WTF

  • @azrielimran1716
    @azrielimran1716 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did the stock cherry screw in stabs sound so good without lube

  • @pokosure4831
    @pokosure4831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    TLDR: If you prefer 60%, it is a great board. If you want arrow keys though, the 67lite would be better.

  • @eduard3160
    @eduard3160 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey vould you do a review on nk's silk emerald switches im thinking about buying them i would really aprecciate that and where do you buy your luning stuff?

  • @chriskeeb
    @chriskeeb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Trying to last minute decide if I should join D60 lite pharaoh GB

  • @ste11ar
    @ste11ar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the D
    60Lite!

  • @rychhhh
    @rychhhh 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    may i know what chair you use?

  • @azclex2981
    @azclex2981 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    you should use this in the $200 keyboard challenge

  • @clutch1465
    @clutch1465 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    is this a better option than the keychron v1?

  • @bennyjackson5149
    @bennyjackson5149 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems like you have a lot more energy here than before, hope you're doing alright!

  • @alphacabet2770
    @alphacabet2770 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    When’s the next restock, I’ve been waiting for so long

  • @joaolucaszkolben2325
    @joaolucaszkolben2325 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do u prefer idobao id67 or KDB67?

  • @HoodieKnight
    @HoodieKnight 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know literally nothing about custom keyboards, but…
    *I mean, it’s still interesting*