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I'm 38 and have been lifting drug free for 20 years, but the older I get and the longer I do this, the more I consider trying gear. Nothing crazy, just test for a cycle or two. Or maybe at some point TRT. I'm curious about what it's like and how much I would get out of it, but obviously I'm concerned about side-effects, especially long term. I would highly appreciate an honest discussion about what a recreational user like me should expect in terms of gains, side-effects and especially long-term risks. Most of what I can find online comes from (former) professional bodybuilders on tren/HGH/Insulin/peptides or whatever. That obviously doesn't apply to me or most other people, so it's pretty useless information. It's incredibly hard to find reliable and realistic information about the risks/rewards of a "normal" cycle/dosage.
Just my .02. I wouldn't use him as gospel, but the "Anabolic Doc" O'Connor does a pretty good breakdown of what you can expect. Ultimately it's a matter of what kind of gains you have seen drug free. Also if you plan to do a short cycle, be prepared for the difference. One of the things that keeps me drug free is that I know I could get psychologically addicted to the gains. Now if you have the budget to do it for a while, get a good doc and see what happens. Just be aware you're only going to keep 20-30% of the gains on a good routine, diet. Which if that works for you, more power to you
I started out at 100mg through my pcp. I married a pharmacist and she told me that since on the vial it says for single use only, that I can get multiple vials a week if my doctor says I can inject twice I week. So now I get 400mg a week prescribed by my Dr. I've gone up to 200mg a week and just that 100mg increase has given my decent gains. I still need bloodwork done. But if it's good I'm gonna go up to 250 and then re-check. My advice is if youre gonna get on, never come off. I'm 37 and I've been on trt for 5 years. If you go through the online clinic defy medical, you can get test, deca, anavar, and winstrol. Side effects are dosed dependent and vary from person to person. Most people who get fucked up take too much or are injecting ugl gear. Ugl use solvents in their gear which is not something you want to inject into your body.
Been using for over 20 years. I have a job where physical performance is a big deal. I would say I never saw major difference from 1000mg vs 500mg. Yes I was stronger at higher dose but my appearance wasn’t better and I didn’t feel/perform any better. You honestly would do good at 200-500mg and be pleased. Stay smart and safe.
Its funny watch8ng this because, even though i dont know the side effects, im shure you can see the side effects running rampant on mike. Respect to dave being respective of mikes condition.😅
On the net-negative vs net-positive question; I’d have to say the net is positive. May be a more use and more abuse, but at least the information on HOW to do it right, HOW to do labs, WHAT lab results mean is out there. So the amount of stupid may be there, but at least it’s stupid that COULD be informed if it chose to be.
Good to hear that Israetel is libertarian. Ron Paul is the only politician in the US I would've entrusted to do the job. Good pod, though I believe it's a re-upload. (would be neat to place the date of the original upload)
Mike supposedly knowing more about training than us plebs and openly admits to taking PED's still couldn't get a pro card something just doesn't add up 🤔
@ogdenville I'm old I've been watching Lyle on and off for years... Solomon Nelson and Lyle's resent video had a great breakdown of what Mike has actually said over the years...
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Post new material maybe I will
Whoever the manager of this page is needs to knock it off with just posting parts of old videos without linking to the full video.
th-cam.com/users/liveAX9liPXmk9c Always at the bottom of the video!
Who asks for something like that? Manners….😅
How to make your head shaped like a kettle bell? I want to know. So I never accidentally do it. Thanks Mike!
Omg lol
I'm 38 and have been lifting drug free for 20 years, but the older I get and the longer I do this, the more I consider trying gear. Nothing crazy, just test for a cycle or two. Or maybe at some point TRT.
I'm curious about what it's like and how much I would get out of it, but obviously I'm concerned about side-effects, especially long term.
I would highly appreciate an honest discussion about what a recreational user like me should expect in terms of gains, side-effects and especially long-term risks.
Most of what I can find online comes from (former) professional bodybuilders on tren/HGH/Insulin/peptides or whatever. That obviously doesn't apply to me or most other people, so it's pretty useless information.
It's incredibly hard to find reliable and realistic information about the risks/rewards of a "normal" cycle/dosage.
Just my .02. I wouldn't use him as gospel, but the "Anabolic Doc" O'Connor does a pretty good breakdown of what you can expect. Ultimately it's a matter of what kind of gains you have seen drug free. Also if you plan to do a short cycle, be prepared for the difference.
One of the things that keeps me drug free is that I know I could get psychologically addicted to the gains. Now if you have the budget to do it for a while, get a good doc and see what happens. Just be aware you're only going to keep 20-30% of the gains on a good routine, diet. Which if that works for you, more power to you
I started out at 100mg through my pcp. I married a pharmacist and she told me that since on the vial it says for single use only, that I can get multiple vials a week if my doctor says I can inject twice I week. So now I get 400mg a week prescribed by my Dr. I've gone up to 200mg a week and just that 100mg increase has given my decent gains. I still need bloodwork done. But if it's good I'm gonna go up to 250 and then re-check. My advice is if youre gonna get on, never come off. I'm 37 and I've been on trt for 5 years. If you go through the online clinic defy medical, you can get test, deca, anavar, and winstrol. Side effects are dosed dependent and vary from person to person. Most people who get fucked up take too much or are injecting ugl gear. Ugl use solvents in their gear which is not something you want to inject into your body.
Biggest concern is thickening heart muscles. If you are not competitive and want to live past 70 it’s probably best to not use gear.
Been using for over 20 years. I have a job where physical performance is a big deal. I would say I never saw major difference from 1000mg vs 500mg. Yes I was stronger at higher dose but my appearance wasn’t better and I didn’t feel/perform any better. You honestly would do good at 200-500mg and be pleased. Stay smart and safe.
@@icecoldporksoda3461 dude your heart doesnt enlarge unless you abuse the shit out of it...
As a recovering addict Trainspotting is very accurate
Epsidoe summary: yes you should do steroids
Uh, not really.
😂😂
Why were the doors wooden mike???
Its funny watch8ng this because, even though i dont know the side effects, im shure you can see the side effects running rampant on mike. Respect to dave being respective of mikes condition.😅
I’ve just seen a GVS video where he calls Mike a professional bullshitter and the more videos I see the more I’m inclined to agree…
Solomon Nelson did a massive breakdown of what Mike has actually said over the years 😳
I would like to see that. Do you have a link?
Where the new sticky Ricky episode? Trying to get fired up
Unsubscribing from this channel after wasting time like 10x on old clips
On the net-negative vs net-positive question; I’d have to say the net is positive. May be a more use and more abuse, but at least the information on HOW to do it right, HOW to do labs, WHAT lab results mean is out there. So the amount of stupid may be there, but at least it’s stupid that COULD be informed if it chose to be.
Don't. Just don't.
Mike I. is a terrible victim of steroids
Good to hear that Israetel is libertarian. Ron Paul is the only politician in the US I would've entrusted to do the job.
Good pod, though I believe it's a re-upload. (would be neat to place the date of the original upload)
Good discussion I appreciate the information keep up the good work y'all 💪😎
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Dr Mike is hard to listen to. I try to like him but he’s too polarizing for me
Mike supposedly knowing more about training than us plebs and openly admits to taking PED's still couldn't get a pro card something just doesn't add up 🤔
Exactly. He failed and failed miserably. There is guy called Lyle McDonald you can search for here who roasts him all the time and it's glorious.
@ogdenville I'm old I've been watching Lyle on and off for years... Solomon Nelson and Lyle's resent video had a great breakdown of what Mike has actually said over the years...
@@Damian.Williams yeah it was awesome
It does add up. Genetics are king.
@user-ii7xc1ry3x Yes. He has good genetics for powerlifting but not bodybuilding