@@abrahammatthewanandamarro4352 guess they should dispose of them, then wonder where replacements will come from. Maybe, China. Oh wait, tariffs... Do more with less, eventually dwindling down to nothing, locomotives patrol, looking for an aluminum car, fuel costs bankrupt the railroad, back to horses or sea. If UHaul though that way, they'd no longer exist, beyond a local area. They learned from the rail system. As a hint, some cars can weigh 100 tons or more, loaded, do you really think it costs that much to shuttle them to where they can be refilled again?
2 bangs were slack action. Happens all the time. Usually, that means they broke a knuckle when it goes into emergency like this. That smoke you mention was the heat coming off the cars. Usual stuff. Nice video!
+waldwickperson I understand. The only thing I wonder about is that the train was still accelerating when the 'bang' happened, and the braking came thereafter. Furthermore, there was no reason for an emergency braking, as far as I can tell (that an emergency braking was performed I learned from the communication between crew and dispatcher).
+waldwickperson I wonder if any derailments have happened that way. Unfortunately I can't think of any way to implement an easy to use (and reliable) safety system that would prevent that ... (plus it would require changing the braking effort ... so yeah if something goes wrong the brakes might not be strong enough to stop quickly enough in certain circumstances... lol)
Local shortline has to merge with or cross the main line down in a nearby valley, train frequently held for extended periods, when they were down there, i'd bring 'em coffees, or if i got time, a bite to eat.
Go to 6:04 and watch the cars closely (affix your eye on one spot on the car, like a wheel, etc..) ... you can see them lurch forward when the bang is heard. That's slack :P
Dated, but yeah, lost slack, then slack tightening due to emergency. But, some other speculation suggested a broken coupler, no, not enough slack to engage breaks, triggering emergency. Looked more like a locomotive emergency and modes were switched until equipment could replace the failed unit, which would now be dead load. There was a pause in traction, followed by a surge, triggering the first bang as slack was lost and regained before slack was regained, then enough loss of traction to give a lower bang of traction loss and train rammed into itself and engine at a lower speed. A air hose burp wouldn't go anywhere near that, broken coupler would halt that part of the train, necessitate a jog down the train, jog back to replace a knuckle or subsidiary equipment that is user replaceable, then proceed onward. More sever, you're talking about more weight than two men could be reasonably expected to carry for any properly decent sized consist, which would immobilize the train for a lengthy period of time.
Yeah if a knuckle broke then there would be too much tension on the air line hose and it would for sure break or snap meaning all pressure in the line would be lost resulting in (A the brakes be engaged due to the Loss in pressure but if you don't know that's just how train brakes work (the trains computer would have recognized the Lost pressure suddenly without the interference or input of a driver therefore putting it into emergency And since the rear half is just kind of on its own after all that broke it would just slam into the back of the other car in front of it because the front half would be an emergency breaking (GOD THAT WAS ALOT I NEED TO RUN MY MOUTH LESS)
The conversation to the dispatcher told me all I need to know. I used to work on that sub division as an engineer. There was no mechanical issue. That was full cya. Anyone who runs trains know exactly what happened but I dont wanna get that crew in trouble. They are good guys, they just had a lapse.
@@josephschnoor315 lets just say... they were not supposed to go over 15 mph and able to stop in the half of range of vision... they were up to 25mph at one point and when they realized that.. they went to dynamics and the sudden run in of cars while going into dynamics really hard cause it to shoot the air. if you notice, the conductor told the dispatcher that they never got much more than 10mph. also... at the end, they are going into the siding of palmer yard which is where the Trainmaster (aka boss man) is stationed. you can hear him calling them to stop at the office. When they went into emergency, the Erad told on them and the speed was seen, which wasn't a big deal because it doesn't say what signal you had, but when the dispatcher was called and asked what signal they had, he had to tell the TM that they had permission by the red signal which ment restricted speed. So needless to say... they got ran off for speeding and after the download, they would have seen that the times do not match up from when they started moving after the emergency application and when they talked to the dispacther. He was supposed to tell them if its ok to move or not. they moved without asking so now they have 2 major violations against them. also, you can not go over 10mph after an emergency application until your entire train has cleared that area. there are so many rules that are in place that its easy to miss something especially when you are in a panic like they were. they were trying to hide it and hope that nothing was looked at in depth.
From what I can gather from the radio communication, they were expecting to get permission to pass a stop signal. When they didn't get permission, they hit the dynamic, which caused the all-at-once slack action (bangs). Or the dynamic was activated for them. The dispatcher was asking if it came back up afterward. Then he told them to "keep on movin' according to the rules." Maybe I'm misinterpreting this, but it makes sense.
+Patrick Lunceford That may make perfect sense. When filming, I can't pay much attention to the chatter on the radio and in the hindsight I wasn't really sure about it (I'm not an expert, don't know the procedures and rules). Thanks for trying to figure it out!
Look for the comment from Scott Purcell. He sums it up similarly to this, as I believe he mentions that he used to work this line. Good observation, though!
Ah, I completely relate. That guy realized he forgot to get something to drink with his sandwich at the store. "HOLD IT! I can't eat with no water!" when you forget your drinks, you gotta go back. B)
Wow those bangs were huge. It rocked the entire train. Random thought, what if while the train was stopped you just saw a bunch of taggers run up to it and start painting while they had the chance xD
A. Thats common, it seems like it was slack. Ive been on trains that did worse stuff than that. Especially CSX, they can be janky. B. Taggers find trains that are chilling in a spot all night, graffiti takes time, especially the good pieces.
I went to google earth to find Hull siding. GE dropped me right on top of the Baptist church. 😂 I feel like I’m an honorary member because of all the times I’ve seen it in a mbmars01 video.
Lol, that's funny :) However, I have certainly railfanned less in Hull than I did years ago - at least on that spot at the south end of the siding, which is right next to the church.
@@mbmars01 train at speed, things go *seriously* sideways, like derailment of laden hopper cars and assorted other projectile generators, escape had better be by rocket, if one is close, as in rock throwing distance close.
At 6:20 you can see Maintenance of Way has a warning board set up. From the radio traffic, train didn't get permission in time to enter the work order (Rule 707). Everything else was slack from breaking to hard.
joey branan What was wrong Joey. Sounds like the gentlemen knows what he's talking about by what he's written....Your reply is just plain NON-SUPPORTIVE OF ITS SELF REASONING! SO YOU'RE "WRONG!"
Thanks so much! I have the scanner typically close to me to avoid missing information while filming. So it's rather accidental that the chatter is in the video, but I also like it. It gives the videos a human touch.
camera did that zero justice, that thud would have been louder then all hell in person, i use to work next to a railroad (my shop garage door was about 50 feet at most from the tracks) and had a train do an emergency stop like that, it was mid summer and the shop doors were wide open, i literally ran the other direction thinking the train was about to derail
This seems to happen to GEs in sets higher than two, it always seems to kick on the emergency brake, never seen it happen as frequently on EMDs, not saying ones better but it's always GE from U-boats to GEVOs
Nice video! It was like getting a day of rail fanning in with out leveeing the shop. It was a slow day and not a customer in the place most of the day. Thanks :)
I saw a train stop for a malt at DQ!! A guy came blasting out of dairy queen booking across the highway as fast as he could go and hopped up into the waiting train....was a funny sight.
Uh no I think an air hose popped and the bang was slack in the couplers when the cars shoved forwards due to the rear weight pushing the front trying to stop.
brettwrb There’s no way. A single locomotive weighs wayyyyy too much for a coin to affect it, much less a full train. You can always try it for yourself next time your near one though. It’s pretty fun actually
Slack action on the coupler that grade was 5 percent down and 5 percent up u will get that loud bang especially when your not loaded the cars were empty by the sound keep your vids coming love watching them
Yes. That is what I think happened. He passed the yellow red board then he big holes his train. Skack action was the second bang. Then you can hear him get clearance on the radio. In my opinion.
AWESOME VIDEO BRO!!! Those BANGS were scary, but the bangs were the couplers I think. All I can say is wow. This video, in case you're wondering on how I found this video, came up on my recommended slot.
Thank you very much. Yep, that's definitely interesting to know how people find my videos. Now that you found the channel - there are 250 more videos that you might like :)
Standard Gauge Railroader the first bang was likely from the slack that caused the initial emergency; prolly got a knuckle with that. That second bang was simply the front half of the separated train stopped quicker than the rear therefore slamming into the front section. That's what I gathered from it
No broken knuckle, no broken air, though the conductor does mention "dynamic" in radio conversation t around 8:50 mark. It sounds like dynamic braking kicked in, reset and released. First bang, dynamic engaged, second when dynamic released and slack taken back up.
First bang occurred when a locomotive dynamic brakes kicked in slowing the one locomotive but not the cars (slack in knuckles). Second bang occurred when dynamics released (see blended braking). Once the dynamic brakes released, the governor would dump fuel to speed the engine back up to the throttle setting, while the engineer was likely taking the throttle to idle. Smoke could possibly be excess fuel or even dust shaken loose from all the slack action.
By the radio transmissions, either a traction motor, or a complete engine shut down, then came back up. The first bang would be cutting out, and the second would be cutting back in.
Ok folks, especially rail fans, that advance warning sign, at 6:30, the yellow sign with the diagonal orange stripe? Them things are put there for a good reason. Two miles down the track from there is either a work order limit sign, red W order sign, or a yellow temporary slow order sign. Folks, when ye see a train go into emergency after passing one of those signs, sort of keep it under your hat, because there might be a good reason to “shoot the air.” It’s best not to not advertise everything.
+kevin butler Haha, do you know what? I haven't even noticed it yet. I was so much concerned with the emergency train that I didn't pay much attention to Q662. You're right! I'm happy I caught it! Thanks for pointing this out.
+kevin butler Well, I don't know. I heard these bangs, then saw blue smoke in the distance about a mile away. I walked straight there (my car was on the other side of the train that blocked the crossing!), but when I arrived near the engines, the train started slowly moving again. Inspecting the outside of the engines when I met the train later again, I didn't see anything suspicious. Since I saw blue smoke initially after the bangs, it might have been burning lube oil that caused a blow (in the turbo charger?), but I didn't see any fire.
Ive seen trains stop here and walk down to the subway that's close to the tracks, they also used to stop the train in the amusement park and get food from the restaurants there too
This happened on my sub down here in Texas. KCS de Mexico with BNSF trailing had a unit train of fracking sand and they were at speed and the same damn thing happened. I thought they hit something at first and then they just puttered away, 10 minutes later.
The American Railfan That's what I thought and why I asked. The slack effect is much more impressive if the hoppers are empty and amplify the sound by resonance.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for this excellent quality railroad video!!! Please, what camera did you use and what editing software/program/App did you use? I LOVE the narration in blue text! Excellent to set off the text! (( can you leave it reysed up a little longer...please and thank you. The text is non-intrusive and you get tied up looking at train detail and sometimes dont see the text come on till too late to read it all. Don't think for a second that I'm complaining, for I'm not. Just requesting. I get into looking at detail, especially on the loco's, and forget to watch for narration)) I've been in, on, under, and up inside just about every part of the electrical part of just about all of the GE and GM-EMD Locos in a carrer almost 40 years long...I still get a warm spot in my heart, when I recognize an engine number I've fixed something on! Please keep on railfanning and be safe!
Thank you very much for your feedback! I appreciate it. The footage for this video was filmed with a Panasonic HC-V550 camcorder. Editing was done with iMovie. Nowadays I use a WXF1 camcorder by Panasonic and Final Cut Pro X for editing. I'll keep your suggestion in mind. Great you like the video and style!
WoW, Just after the second Bang the whole train lunges , watch the hoses in-between cars, they're steady until that bang and then they start swinging so apparently the whole train is shook by it.
mbmars01 Yeah Hey I did trains in Shenandoah Junction my video didn't get to well due to the weather is there any way you have a good 20 minute video of csx trains going through Shenandoah junction I will give you the credit for the video
got to love when people say trains need a mile plus to stop yet within 4 seconds this train stopped. Other videos also show freight trains stopping nearly as fast!
Aaron is correct. A train traveling 60 mph is traveling at a mile per minute, which is clearing 88 feet per second. There is 5280 feet in a mile. So the train is clearing 5,280 feet in one minute. General braking applications will bring the train to a halt in about 2 miles traveling at 60 mph. Emergency braking reduces that distance by half, typically. When you factor in this train was empty, traveling maybe 40 mph at the most and the emergencies were engaged, it is no wonder this train slowed as quickly as it did.
+gtc1961 I'm not saying that anybody is lying. all I'm saying is there are so many factors that have to be taken into consideration when the engineer applies the brakes. the speed the train is going, the kind of cargo being hauled, the weight of the Train, the makeup of the train and the number of locomotives at the head of the train and any helpers if any...all of these have to be factored in when a train brakes. the condition of the brake system throughout the entire train also has to be taken into consideration because if there's any faults in the braking system the train will take longer to stop regardless of how fast it is traveling.
+gtc1961 my comment was not only about the length of a train. When people say that a train takes a long time to brake, they are comparing it to a car or a truck. even a short train will take longer to stop than a truck or car. The last part of my comment was regarding the condition of the braking system on a train. when you look at a train and the train passes, you will commonly see a flashing red or yellow light on the back of the train. this is called a FRED (Flashing Rear-End Device). This is a brake valve that the engineer in the locomotive up front can use to apply break pressure from the back of the train via radio signal. the PSI reading of the brake pressure on the FRED and the PSI reading in the cab of the locomotive have to be very close. if the difference is too much, then the braking system of the train is flawed, and the cause of the fault has to be found and corrected/fixed before the train can get moving. if repair cannot be done on site then the affected car or cars have to be removed from the Train. once the train has been reconnected the engineer has to supply the brake system with pressure and get a new reading of the PSI. and the engineer will repeat the process as necessary to get the PSI pressure readings to differ by less than the mandated amount. only then can a train be safely moved.
IF YOU SEE A TRAIN AND IT LOOKS BOW BACKED THEN YOU WILL KNOW IT IS IN GEORGIA IT CAN'T BE ANY OTHER PLACE.THE SAME GRADE S THE HIWAY IF IWAS RIDING AMTRAK I WOULD GET SEA SICK.
At first the train is hold at normal speed in till the bang! (Sound like a air line gave.) the 2nd once can't be explained the bangs sound the same. It could be a coupler broke and then the air lines broke.
It looks like the second bang pushed the train forward... Mabry the train came uncoupled and once the train was slowing and rammed into the rear but no crew came to inspect
The bangs is slack running in and out. Right after the first bang you hear the PFssshhh of the breaks applying in emergency as the application works its way back. I'd suspect an air hose further up in the consist that came loose. It's common.
I'd also like to thank you for the high quality footage you shoot. It's nice to see people really know how to work the camera, especially with those pan/zoom shots. Nice stuff!
Thank you so much! This is really appreciated, because it is a lot of work to get the videos right and positive feedback is very helpful to keep it up.
Very long coal trains come to where to the power station in my area. They are so long that they are often broken into segments to park the segments side by side and there are still really long trains stopped before the entry to the power station. But I have heard this is very normal. After all 70% of electricity is made with coal fired steam turbines turning enormous generators.
WOW!! that was lucky 2 blow outs? Good job he was only going slow, he might have lost the ability to stear! he got going quickly? Must have thoes new run flats!! modern transport technology has come on leaps and bounds in the last few centuries?
@The Railfan Chanbel Cabooses had steering wheels but they don't work; however they will apply brakes. Unfortunately some people in cars are unfamiliar with these facts. While shoving a work train thru a crossing with cars stopped a railroad employee rotated this wheel so as to seem to turn the train into a stopped car, a driver backed up to get out of the way, You can't pull this practical joke with an EOT (end of train device (meant to replace critical functions of the caboose).
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I was surprised, how quick it came to a stop.
empty aluminum cars at slow speed
@@TheNemosdaddy but thinking how much that cars waste
@@abrahammatthewanandamarro4352 guess they should dispose of them, then wonder where replacements will come from.
Maybe, China. Oh wait, tariffs...
Do more with less, eventually dwindling down to nothing, locomotives patrol, looking for an aluminum car, fuel costs bankrupt the railroad, back to horses or sea.
If UHaul though that way, they'd no longer exist, beyond a local area.
They learned from the rail system.
As a hint, some cars can weigh 100 tons or more, loaded, do you really think it costs that much to shuttle them to where they can be refilled again?
Saftey at its finest
i know
2 bangs were slack action. Happens all the time. Usually, that means they broke a knuckle when it goes into emergency like this. That smoke you mention was the heat coming off the cars. Usual stuff. Nice video!
+waldwickperson Thank you! I really don't know what it was, but it was louder than what I've ever heard from any other train before.
If the engineer throws it in Notch 8, or full brake application (without going into emergency), the slack action can get pretty rough lol
+waldwickperson I understand. The only thing I wonder about is that the train was still accelerating when the 'bang' happened, and the braking came thereafter. Furthermore, there was no reason for an emergency braking, as far as I can tell (that an emergency braking was performed I learned from the communication between crew and dispatcher).
Ah ok. If it was on a grade, the tail end of the train probably caught up with the cars, and pushed them more than the engines pulling them
+waldwickperson
I wonder if any derailments have happened that way.
Unfortunately I can't think of any way to implement an easy to use (and reliable) safety system that would prevent that ... (plus it would require changing the braking effort ... so yeah if something goes wrong the brakes might not be strong enough to stop quickly enough in certain circumstances... lol)
Train crews are people too, they gotta eat like the rest of us..
+ElfNet Gaming Absolutely! ;)
that's right
Elfnet my man how's the server going?
Western PA Railfaner sup people ?
Local shortline has to merge with or cross the main line down in a nearby valley, train frequently held for extended periods, when they were down there, i'd bring 'em coffees, or if i got time, a bite to eat.
Go to 6:04 and watch the cars closely (affix your eye on one spot on the car, like a wheel, etc..) ... you can see them lurch forward when the bang is heard. That's slack :P
Benjamin Esposti true, but the first one was something else
First one was a broken coupler and the second was just slack action.
Benjamin Esposti yup
Dated, but yeah, lost slack, then slack tightening due to emergency.
But, some other speculation suggested a broken coupler, no, not enough slack to engage breaks, triggering emergency.
Looked more like a locomotive emergency and modes were switched until equipment could replace the failed unit, which would now be dead load.
There was a pause in traction, followed by a surge, triggering the first bang as slack was lost and regained before slack was regained, then enough loss of traction to give a lower bang of traction loss and train rammed into itself and engine at a lower speed.
A air hose burp wouldn't go anywhere near that, broken coupler would halt that part of the train, necessitate a jog down the train, jog back to replace a knuckle or subsidiary equipment that is user replaceable, then proceed onward.
More sever, you're talking about more weight than two men could be reasonably expected to carry for any properly decent sized consist, which would immobilize the train for a lengthy period of time.
Yeah if a knuckle broke then there would be too much tension on the air line hose and it would for sure break or snap meaning all pressure in the line would be lost resulting in (A the brakes be engaged due to the Loss in pressure but if you don't know that's just how train brakes work (the trains computer would have recognized the Lost pressure suddenly without the interference or input of a driver therefore putting it into emergency
And since the rear half is just kind of on its own after all that broke it would just slam into the back of the other car in front of it because the front half would be an emergency breaking
(GOD THAT WAS ALOT I NEED TO RUN MY MOUTH LESS)
Cause of the stop? Driver dropped that fresh cup of hot coffee in his lap!! :D
Sounds like the lady at McDonalds. Who is he going to sue?
Robert Shaw III good joke. good joke.
oof
The conversation to the dispatcher told me all I need to know. I used to work on that sub division as an engineer. There was no mechanical issue. That was full cya. Anyone who runs trains know exactly what happened but I dont wanna get that crew in trouble. They are good guys, they just had a lapse.
What was it then
@@josephschnoor315 lets just say... they were not supposed to go over 15 mph and able to stop in the half of range of vision... they were up to 25mph at one point and when they realized that.. they went to dynamics and the sudden run in of cars while going into dynamics really hard cause it to shoot the air. if you notice, the conductor told the dispatcher that they never got much more than 10mph. also... at the end, they are going into the siding of palmer yard which is where the Trainmaster (aka boss man) is stationed. you can hear him calling them to stop at the office. When they went into emergency, the Erad told on them and the speed was seen, which wasn't a big deal because it doesn't say what signal you had, but when the dispatcher was called and asked what signal they had, he had to tell the TM that they had permission by the red signal which ment restricted speed. So needless to say... they got ran off for speeding and after the download, they would have seen that the times do not match up from when they started moving after the emergency application and when they talked to the dispacther. He was supposed to tell them if its ok to move or not. they moved without asking so now they have 2 major violations against them. also, you can not go over 10mph after an emergency application until your entire train has cleared that area. there are so many rules that are in place that its easy to miss something especially when you are in a panic like they were. they were trying to hide it and hope that nothing was looked at in depth.
@@scottpurcell8833 oh ok. Thanks for replying
Scott, what does cya mean?
Cover your a$$.
15:20 that’s a special engine! That’s the spirit of Cincinnati! CSX #5500
Yessir
From what I can gather from the radio communication, they were expecting to get permission to pass a stop signal. When they didn't get permission, they hit the dynamic, which caused the all-at-once slack action (bangs). Or the dynamic was activated for them. The dispatcher was asking if it came back up afterward. Then he told them to "keep on movin' according to the rules."
Maybe I'm misinterpreting this, but it makes sense.
The radio communication in question is at 8:45.
+Patrick Lunceford That may make perfect sense. When filming, I can't pay much attention to the chatter on the radio and in the hindsight I wasn't really sure about it (I'm not an expert, don't know the procedures and rules). Thanks for trying to figure it out!
Yup. They said they had to hit dynamic when they didn't get permission at the stop signal. Listen closely
Look for the comment from Scott Purcell. He sums it up similarly to this, as I believe he mentions that he used to work this line. Good observation, though!
4:39 the humming the cars do is very soothing and the bearings rotating is satisfying to watch.
Lol
XD
Engineer: Hey gimme a can of the Fanta I told you to get. Conductor: um..... Engineer: *Slams brake* GET YO BUTT BACK THERE NOW
Lol
😂😂😂
Asheville Trainman Fanta orange or grape?
Eastern Iowa Productions childish
LOL🤣🤣🤣
When the second bang happened it sprung the engine/cars forward
Slack
Ah, I completely relate. That guy realized he forgot to get something to drink with his sandwich at the store. "HOLD IT! I can't eat with no water!" when you forget your drinks, you gotta go back. B)
Well that's definitely a possible plot for this story lol.
Wow those bangs were huge. It rocked the entire train. Random thought, what if while the train was stopped you just saw a bunch of taggers run up to it and start painting while they had the chance xD
A. Thats common, it seems like it was slack. Ive been on trains that did worse stuff than that. Especially CSX, they can be janky.
B. Taggers find trains that are chilling in a spot all night, graffiti takes time, especially the good pieces.
Those people who tag trains like that could make a killing if they actually painted for a living
For some reason, After working all day. These train videos Iv stumbled upon make it easy to decompress from a 6 day work week.
I know what you mean. That's probably the reason why I enjoy the hobby this much. It frees one's mind from the daily troubles.
mbmars01
Call me weird but trains move like majestic elephants, So big can be real quiet at times.
I went to google earth to find Hull siding. GE dropped me right on top of the Baptist church. 😂
I feel like I’m an honorary member because of all the times I’ve seen it in a mbmars01 video.
Lol, that's funny :) However, I have certainly railfanned less in Hull than I did years ago - at least on that spot at the south end of the siding, which is right next to the church.
How funny, I completely forgot some types of engines have an entry door at it's front?
And in those types of trains with the nose cabins like that is where the penitentiary style shitter ...........and emergency flares are 😆😆😆😋
Stuff like this makes you rethink standing close to the tracks while a train comes by, especially at speed.
One should always have an escape route in case of an emergency... In this case, there was no dangerous situation.
@@mbmars01 train at speed, things go *seriously* sideways, like derailment of laden hopper cars and assorted other projectile generators, escape had better be by rocket, if one is close, as in rock throwing distance close.
BTW, great video! The actual video quality is perfect, and you found some great angles to shoot.
-Cam
+railfan220 I'm glad you like it. Thanks!
At 6:20 you can see Maintenance of Way has a warning board set up. From the radio traffic, train didn't get permission in time to enter the work order (Rule 707). Everything else was slack from breaking to hard.
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joey branan What was wrong Joey. Sounds like the gentlemen knows what he's talking about by what he's written....Your reply is just plain NON-SUPPORTIVE OF ITS SELF REASONING! SO YOU'RE "WRONG!"
Excellent footage. I love how you incorporate the audio from the scanner!
Thanks so much! I have the scanner typically close to me to avoid missing information while filming. So it's rather accidental that the chatter is in the video, but I also like it. It gives the videos a human touch.
mbmars01 yes it does give it that human touch. Plus it’s almost like we’re there. It makes the videos top shelf 👍
5:50 everyone.... And it's just a low thud...
Mat Helm that aint no low thud tf
Victor Right? Sounded like an explosion lol
Thanks
no that was pretty freakin loud.
camera did that zero justice, that thud would have been louder then all hell in person, i use to work next to a railroad (my shop garage door was about 50 feet at most from the tracks) and had a train do an emergency stop like that, it was mid summer and the shop doors were wide open, i literally ran the other direction thinking the train was about to derail
Damn that bang must of been terrifying
Especially if it were me by that train because I get really nervous around trains
The bangs were very loud. They were indeed terrifying as I didn't know what was going on.
This seems to happen to GEs in sets higher than two, it always seems to kick on the emergency brake, never seen it happen as frequently on EMDs, not saying ones better but it's always GE from U-boats to GEVOs
OMG! They always bang like that in an emergency stop. Heard it all my life.
Hope you aren't deaf now because of these loud bangs lol.
@@mbmars01 eh? What'd you say? ;)
At 15:25 did anyone notice the spirit of Cincinnati was the second unit?
Yeah!
'Twas Doc Brown throwing in the presto logs
Lol
Sure miss seeing the caboose bringing up the rear.
You got that right friend
Nice video! It was like getting a day of rail fanning in with out leveeing the shop. It was a slow day and not a customer in the place most of the day. Thanks :)
+SleeTheSloth Haha, I like it. I have many more videos on my channel for more slow days lol.
Remenber for every 10 trucks there is one meter play between the buffers for example 50 trucks = 5 meter play when the train is bundled
I saw a train stop for a malt at DQ!! A guy came blasting out of dairy queen booking across the highway as fast as he could go and hopped up into the waiting train....was a funny sight.
I just saw a BNSF train park next to a Church's chicken in Cameron TX. Pretty odd
@@Just22Jas33 I suppose those dudes gotta get their fast food fix too at times! Lol
jus' bunching up threw the slack....
same as when they take off fast... thats even louder.
I think it hit a penny on the tracks, or maybe it was a nickel which explains the loud banging. Those nickels are kind of thick.
Uh no I think an air hose popped and the bang was slack in the couplers when the cars shoved forwards due to the rear weight pushing the front trying to stop.
Nah, a nickel would have derailed the whole thing...
brettwrb not true
@@joeleewoods1382 Are you sure? 🙄
brettwrb There’s no way. A single locomotive weighs wayyyyy too much for a coin to affect it, much less a full train. You can always try it for yourself next time your near one though. It’s pretty fun actually
That was a really fast emergency stop as far as trains go.
Wonderful photography!
Thanks for posting.
+Prionel Cool, thank you. Glad you like it.
11:05 you don’t want something falling ...
5:45 your welcome
this train went into emergency quicker than i have ever seen
Just slack running in is all. You can even see it the second time. Retired BN.
Yup. Slack action. It dumped towards the front of the train which caused the rear end to run in.
Empties are notoriously loud when it comes to slack action.
Slack action on the coupler that grade was 5 percent down and 5 percent up u will get that loud bang especially when your not loaded the cars were empty by the sound keep your vids coming love watching them
A train driver stopping at a car gas station to pick up a snack? Didn't know they could do that 😂
That's cool
Lol, I have seen this on other occasions as well. Not unusual, apparently, but somewhat puzzling.
I've seen a local that was doing drop offs stop and get some barbeque at a restaurant that was next to the tracks.
This is the best part : )
That first bang was so loud! I jumped when I first heard it... maybe because my volume is always cranked up
It was scary standing right next to the train when this happened lol
I will say it again great vid great comments and you are an excellent cameraman mbmars01 I love your work
Many thanks. I really appreciate your nice feedback.
That stop much faster than I thought they could stop.
... but only because it was all empties.
@@mbmars01 Those cars weigh a lot even empty.
Did the crew forget about the form B ahead and put the train in emergency?
Yes. That is what I think happened. He passed the yellow red board then he big holes his train. Skack action was the second bang. Then you can hear him get clearance on the radio. In my opinion.
Love when you take pictures of the trucks and the track
I also like to see such details.
AWESOME VIDEO BRO!!! Those BANGS were scary, but the bangs were the couplers I think. All I can say is wow. This video, in case you're wondering on how I found this video, came up on my recommended slot.
Thank you very much. Yep, that's definitely interesting to know how people find my videos. Now that you found the channel - there are 250 more videos that you might like :)
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Standard Gauge Railroader the first bang was likely from the slack that caused the initial emergency; prolly got a knuckle with that. That second bang was simply the front half of the separated train stopped quicker than the rear therefore slamming into the front section. That's what I gathered from it
Wow, we don't get trains that long out in my neck of the woods, that's for sure! If a freight train has 15 cars here, it's a long one!
+John's Train Videos So you live near a branch line? That's cool, too. I really like short trains.
No I live near Boston, where freight trains are all but extinct, and if it's not an active commuter rail route, it's abandoned :-/
All I get are 150-210 car long manifests, with about a quarter of them autoracks.
That’s called shitty train handling. More than likely this crew was pulled out of service if they dumped the train coming up on stop boards.
No broken knuckle, no broken air, though the conductor does mention "dynamic" in radio conversation t around 8:50 mark. It sounds like dynamic braking kicked in, reset and released. First bang, dynamic engaged, second when dynamic released and slack taken back up.
kenmelrac What may have caused the smoke?
First bang occurred when a locomotive dynamic brakes kicked in slowing the one locomotive but not the cars (slack in knuckles). Second bang occurred when dynamics released (see blended braking). Once the dynamic brakes released, the governor would dump fuel to speed the engine back up to the throttle setting, while the engineer was likely taking the throttle to idle. Smoke could possibly be excess fuel or even dust shaken loose from all the slack action.
I think CSX units have the best paint jobs. NS was my favorite for awhile but got too boring.
I'm kinda partial to Huron & Eastern, here in Michigan. They're orange with yellow accents, with a running deer in the logo.
It never gets old!
Yep, it never does.
Nothing more satisfyng than to see a train pulling all the same type of cars
These are called unit trains and make an awesome sound :) I really like watching and listening to empty coal trains...
@@mbmars01
You replied to my comment!
Omg thx :)))))))
Lol :)
By the radio transmissions, either a traction motor, or a complete engine shut down, then came back up. The first bang would be cutting out, and the second would be cutting back in.
Awesome camera work. Getting up close and personal. Thanx mb!!
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Ok folks, especially rail fans, that advance warning sign, at 6:30, the yellow sign with the diagonal orange stripe? Them things are put there for a good reason. Two miles down the track from there is either a work order limit sign, red W order sign, or a yellow temporary slow order sign. Folks, when ye see a train go into emergency after passing one of those signs, sort of keep it under your hat, because there might be a good reason to “shoot the air.” It’s best not to not advertise everything.
CSX once yanked the coupler box out of a coil car in Michigan.
I believe the bangs are the slack in the gondola couplings being crushed together.
I like train videos on TH-cam 👍
Nice video I love how you caught the spirit of Cincinnati!!!!!
+kevin butler Haha, do you know what? I haven't even noticed it yet. I was so much concerned with the emergency train that I didn't pay much attention to Q662. You're right! I'm happy I caught it! Thanks for pointing this out.
+mbmars01 those bangs were loud what happened
+kevin butler Well, I don't know. I heard these bangs, then saw blue smoke in the distance about a mile away. I walked straight there (my car was on the other side of the train that blocked the crossing!), but when I arrived near the engines, the train started slowly moving again. Inspecting the outside of the engines when I met the train later again, I didn't see anything suspicious. Since I saw blue smoke initially after the bangs, it might have been burning lube oil that caused a blow (in the turbo charger?), but I didn't see any fire.
+kevin butler What is the spirit of Cincinnati?
csx 5500
He accelerated too fast... broke the speed of sound
John Prem best comment
Cheers
WHAT IS THAT HAUNTING DEATH DRIVEL GROANING…
I DIE!
Nice dramatic catches! Busy tracks!
Those were the good old times still. It's not as busy anymore, unfortunately.
I thought I heard something about passing a red signal, maybe that caused the stop??
That’s what I heard! Something about passing a red signal and automatically the braking system activated
Ive seen trains stop here and walk down to the subway that's close to the tracks, they also used to stop the train in the amusement park and get food from the restaurants there too
Man they hauled that down to a stop quick....
5:53 the first bang
6:06 - 6:07 the second bang
The first bang, partial slack loss, then regained, then malfunction sent the train into emergency. Takes about that long to run the string.
Holy crap , biggest damn noise I ever heard.
Lol, it was really loud!
This happened on my sub down here in Texas. KCS de Mexico with BNSF trailing had a unit train of fracking sand and they were at speed and the same damn thing happened. I thought they hit something at first and then they just puttered away, 10 minutes later.
Were the hoppers loaded or empty?
mbmars01 Empty. They were on their way to a quarry to get loaded.
The American Railfan
That's what I thought and why I asked. The slack effect is much more impressive if the hoppers are empty and amplify the sound by resonance.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for this excellent quality railroad video!!! Please, what camera did you use and what editing software/program/App did you use? I LOVE the narration in blue text! Excellent to set off the text! (( can you leave it reysed up a little longer...please and thank you. The text is non-intrusive and you get tied up looking at train detail and sometimes dont see the text come on till too late to read it all. Don't think for a second that I'm complaining, for I'm not. Just requesting. I get into looking at detail, especially on the loco's, and forget to watch for narration)) I've been in, on, under, and up inside just about every part of the electrical part of just about all of the GE and GM-EMD Locos in a carrer almost 40 years long...I still get a warm spot in my heart, when I recognize an engine number I've fixed something on! Please keep on railfanning and be safe!
Thank you very much for your feedback! I appreciate it. The footage for this video was filmed with a Panasonic HC-V550 camcorder. Editing was done with iMovie. Nowadays I use a WXF1 camcorder by Panasonic and Final Cut Pro X for editing. I'll keep your suggestion in mind. Great you like the video and style!
Some times the reason why train cars make that sound is when two couples hit echother and you should not stand so close to the train
Scary. The first bang people would've thought someone was shooting.
WoW, Just after the second Bang the whole train lunges , watch the hoses in-between cars, they're steady until that bang and then they start swinging so apparently the whole train is shook by it.
Sounds like double slack.
I also see a conditional stop sign. Right after the next private crossing.
Nice job I had that same engine when i was in Shenandoah junction WV on Monday October 3rd trailing on a coal train eastbound
Nice, it seems this engine is condemned to haul coal trains lol
mbmars01 Yeah Hey I did trains in Shenandoah Junction my video didn't get to well due to the weather is there any way you have a good 20 minute video of csx trains going through Shenandoah junction I will give you the credit for the video
No, I haven't yet been there.
mbmars01 well do you have some good videos of csx trains at other places man
All my about 200 videos with CSX trains are on my channel.
manifest had 91 cars! :D
Haha, thanks for counting :)
+mbmars01 your welcome... great quality videos as well! :)
Cool, thanks. Glad you like them!
got to love when people say trains need a mile plus to stop yet within 4 seconds this train stopped. Other videos also show freight trains stopping nearly as fast!
Aaron is correct. A train traveling 60 mph is traveling at a mile per minute, which is clearing 88 feet per second. There is 5280 feet in a mile. So the train is clearing 5,280 feet in one minute. General braking applications will bring the train to a halt in about 2 miles traveling at 60 mph. Emergency braking reduces that distance by half, typically. When you factor in this train was empty, traveling maybe 40 mph at the most and the emergencies were engaged, it is no wonder this train slowed as quickly as it did.
I don't understand, you're saying people are lying when they trains take a long time to stop? Why on earth would anyone lie about that?
+gtc1961 I'm not saying that anybody is lying. all I'm saying is there are so many factors that have to be taken into consideration when the engineer applies the brakes.
the speed the train is going, the kind of cargo being hauled, the weight of the Train, the makeup of the train and the number of locomotives at the head of the train and any helpers if any...all of these have to be factored in when a train brakes.
the condition of the brake system throughout the entire train also has to be taken into consideration because if there's any faults in the braking system the train will take longer to stop regardless of how fast it is traveling.
Dennis B
well..of course...that's just common sense. A two car train will stop faster than a mile ling one.
+gtc1961 my comment was not only about the length of a train.
When people say that a train takes a long time to brake, they are comparing it to a car or a truck. even a short train will take longer to stop than a truck or car.
The last part of my comment was regarding the condition of the braking system on a train.
when you look at a train and the train passes, you will commonly see a flashing red or yellow light on the back of the train. this is called a FRED (Flashing Rear-End Device). This is a brake valve that the engineer in the locomotive up front can use to apply break pressure from the back of the train via radio signal. the PSI reading of the brake pressure on the FRED and the PSI reading in the cab of the locomotive have to be very close. if the difference is too much, then the braking system of the train is flawed, and the cause of the fault has to be found and corrected/fixed before the train can get moving. if repair cannot be done on site then the affected car or cars have to be removed from the Train. once the train has been reconnected the engineer has to supply the brake system with pressure and get a new reading of the PSI. and the engineer will repeat the process as necessary to get the PSI pressure readings to differ by less than the mandated amount. only then can a train be safely moved.
Beautiful ES44AH's......
I prefer the ge ac4400cw dash-9
A train with almost no grafitti, how nice.
It obviously hasn't heen to one of the bigger cities around here.
Grab me a honeybun and a mt dew while your in the store lol
IF YOU SEE A TRAIN AND IT LOOKS BOW BACKED THEN YOU WILL KNOW IT IS IN GEORGIA IT CAN'T BE ANY OTHER PLACE.THE SAME GRADE S THE HIWAY IF IWAS RIDING AMTRAK I WOULD GET SEA SICK.
Patches O THIS DUDE ALSO SPEAKS IN ONLY CAPS.
Kinda sad, HAL.
@ 16:26 is that a CN boxcar tied into Q662? Boy he's a long way from home. By the way cracking video thanks for shooting and sharing it.
Yes, this is not unusual. You'll find railcars of all kinds of railroads distributed throughout the entire continent. Thanks, I'm glad you like it.
A train might not stop on a dime but it sure will stop on a quarter. Damn
At first the train is hold at normal speed in till the bang! (Sound like a air line gave.) the 2nd once can't be explained the bangs sound the same. It could be a coupler broke and then the air lines broke.
It looks like the second bang pushed the train forward... Mabry the train came uncoupled and once the train was slowing and rammed into the rear but no crew came to inspect
Every day and night I wach your video's
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Nice video! Few days ago i drive locomotive like this in Train Sim World 2020))
Thanks! Cool.
one of the crew members had chipolte that was all. that must have been what that one guy went to get...
Usually when you hear a bang sound that means one thing Slack Action.
The second bang was probably slack action.
The 2nd bang forced the train forwards .-.
The bangs is slack running in and out. Right after the first bang you hear the PFssshhh of the breaks applying in emergency as the application works its way back. I'd suspect an air hose further up in the consist that came loose. It's common.
+ngtflyer That may have been it. Thanks for your comment.
I'd also like to thank you for the high quality footage you shoot. It's nice to see people really know how to work the camera, especially with those pan/zoom shots. Nice stuff!
Thank you so much! This is really appreciated, because it is a lot of work to get the videos right and positive feedback is very helpful to keep it up.
Very long coal trains come to where to the power station in my area. They are so long that they are often broken into segments to park the segments side by side and there are still really long trains stopped before the entry to the power station. But I have heard this is very normal. After all 70% of electricity is made with coal fired steam turbines turning enormous generators.
nice video
Thanks!
that bridge at 11:09 gives me the creeps
I noticed as the second bang happened, the train got pushed a little
WOW!! that was lucky 2 blow outs? Good job he was only going slow, he might have lost the ability to stear! he got going quickly? Must have thoes new run flats!! modern transport technology has come on leaps and bounds in the last few centuries?
Whoosh
@The Railfan Chanbel Over the head. Sorry.
Wow. Trains don't "stear"
@The Railfan Chanbel Cabooses had steering wheels but they don't work; however they will apply brakes. Unfortunately some people in cars are unfamiliar with these facts. While shoving a work train thru a crossing with cars stopped a railroad employee rotated this wheel so as to seem to turn the train into a stopped car, a driver backed up to get out of the way, You can't pull this practical joke with an EOT (end of train device (meant to replace critical functions of the caboose).
@@turbopanda7012 Time to open a can of Budweiser "bear"
I love your video's
Cool, thanks!
being single track im surprised the dispatcher let them stop
They don’t have a choice when they go into emergency
is it me or is it only CSX crews who disregard the two long , one short , one long crossing signal ?
That’s the sound of a chicken wing being sucked into a turbo.
Not nice lol