[2b] Derailment of Local CSX Train in Carlton GA, CSX Abbeville Sub, 05/05/2016 ©mbmars01
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- On May 5th, 2016, at about 1pm, the last of two grain cars of the local train CSX A749 topples over in a curve in Carlton, GA. The train came from the feed mill in Comer GA. The video shows how RJ Corman, a company specialized on derailment operations, secures the car by toppling it to the other side of the track. [© 2016 MBMARS Productions. Exclusive rights for TH-cam channel "mbmars01" only.]
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Shows what happens when somebody is raised to his highest level of incompetence. The supervisor knew nothing about leverage or balance. Could have been righted and set on the trucks one end at a time, Destroyed a rail car and kept the line closed longer than necessary. Hope a higher up saw this fiasco.
Judging by RJGorman representative's Gung-Ho approach earlier on using these inadequate Catterpillar 're-railing runabouts' (which had no stabilisers or outriggers to give support) in a railway cutting, I fore-saw what would assuredly happen at 24:14 to that expensive grain car. Aren't they fortunate to be still alive? AND not being required to pay for their incompetence. I agree with all Geoffrey Kail says.
I concur. There was the truck, all ready to receive the car, but no, topple it over.
I thought I was the only one that thought they were doing this wrong. Long time to flip one car over
I work for RJ Corman, Billings Montana division and I can assure you this wasn't our guys decision. We are simply contractors and do what the railroad EIC tells us to do.
It seems they were trying to move the car across the track without destroying the track. That way once it clears they can let traffic through that has been waiting. All in all, could have just dragged it right across, replaced one section of track, quicker.
Was that grain car loaded or empty?
It was empty.
Don't know why, when they had it upright, they couldn't have put its' own trucks back under it.
I agree and actually thought they would do it but it got dark and they still had to get some trains through. I guess that's why they just did what they did. On the next day, when they had more time, they put they trucks under and moved it away.
That was painful to watch, I agree, a crane would have lifted it safely...looks like hours wasted and it’s still not upright..
I also thought they put this thing back on the rails immediately (they did it much later and the car got towed to Athens - see the follow-up video "[2c] The Day After the Derailment...")
This must've been R J Corman's ( B ) Team AKA the wrecking crew, >Joetrak
All in all, they did more damage to the car than the derailment did.
New set of wheels.a little Bondo and some paint it'll be good as new.
Car was totalled before they even uprighted it.
Great videos - no other videos show the informational detail. Keep producing-will keep watching.
+norman mckenzie Thank you very much!
KEYSTONE COPS WORKING ON THE RAILROAD.
Better to of had the 583's instead of the 572's, That guy didnt know what the hell he was doing twisting and turning on the track!
One of them was a 583 and the Other was a 572 (RJ Cormans 572’s have 1-2 Extra Counterweights). While having a Pair of 583’s is better than 572’s, it really depends on the situation. You can do a Fair Amount of Work with a Pair of 572’s with the Right Conditions, in fact Many of the Derailment Contractors used 572’s for 60+ Years. Hulcher went to 583’s Only, while RJ Corman still has A LOT of CAT 572’s still around (some of them have been replaced with New Deere 850J/K’s with Midwestern 572’s), they are Nice for for Yard Jobs, ReRails and Rail Car Jobs ETC. They should have had a Cat 977 and Excavator on this Job as well. I’m going to guess that they thought it was a Simple 1 Car Job and a 977 Trackloader and Excavator wasn’t needed. Also with the Limited Working Area, that is where the New Deere 470 Excavator’s with Rotator Booms that RJ Corman has at one of its Divisions would have worked 100x’s Better and would have made Short Work of this Job, putting one at Each End of the Car. This would have been a Better Job for Utilco Railroad Services with their Excavator Booms.
It is very normal for such catastrophes to happen in RAILWAYS, as long as the infrastructure is primitive, and they still use wooden sleepers like in the ancient times.....
Freaking amateurs! Rick Corman will be turning in his grave!
Nice job getting all that great footage. Nothing beats watching how they cleanup a derailment just to get the trains moving back through.
+Darrell Twitty Thank you very much. Being a true railfan, I do not like to see accidents like this, but to watch the cleanup with heavy equipment is indeed very interesting.
I agree
Mic only
No wonder railroads are going broke... Trains running out of fuel because no one checked, rail cars derailing on short transfers, crane rigging crews that don't even know the c.o.g. of a car.
There's some truth in it...
WTF are you talking about. Railroads in North America are all profitable.
+C David check again
I work for a class 1. None are anything less than making money hand over fist. I've spent years working with corman. They are the best in the business.
No need to check again. Outside of some short line operations here or there (and most of those are healthy) the Class I railroads in North America all make a profit. They are far from going broke.
A bunch of idiots are shown here. This company of recovery should be closed by now. Those lifting tractors are useless in this matter . They should have brought a real crane and lift it properly. They damaged the car, the track, and lost of time spent.
3:41 anyone else see that crossing turn off???
Yes, it did! lol
How do you let it run out of fuel? Someone had some explaining to do
You, like us - can not do it qualitatively. Raising one car takes so much time ... and not the equipment ...
Use bigger cranes
How do you let it run out of fuel? Someone had some explaining to do
Well, it shouldn't happen, but it apparently did. There's no explanation for it.
I’d say someone failed at their job
My thoughts also, Scott!
@@mbmars01 No salary raise for this guy....
Out of fuel.? Sounds like two employees failed at their job..both inexcusable..
@ 13:33 I'd would had a mess in my pants when thing slid back like that
+Jack Prange II Lol, I agree. But he seemed to be a very skilled driver and operator of his Cat.
haha, yeah, he's probably used to it though.
....used to sliding, that is, not messing his pants.... lol
WELL THIS IS NEAR CARLTON GEORGIA SHOWED A LITTLE IN A VIDEO WHERE THE TIES
HAD NO SPIKES AT ALL; AND THE FAST TRAIN MAY BE THIS ONE. JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT.
Great video as always, not sure why that foreman just didn't hook both cats for a simple roll if all they wanted was to destroy the car. Should have had the tracks clear long before nightfall.
Thanks! Yea, the entire procedure looked more complicated than one would think it should be...
Looks like supervisor does not understand what to do. I would have laid ties on the rails. Lifthe car and it willevel itself on the ties without damaging the rails. Lift onend and roll truck under. Then lifthe other end.
Embarrassing 2. Days to move a Hopper 😢 Give me a Rerailer or two and a Switcher and an Hour !
foreman is the worst rigger I've ever seen
Great video. Cool shots. That’s strange for a local train to derail like that.
That was indeed unbelievable. Very strange incident, but it really happened lol
It's csx what do you expect 😆. They are just a derailment waiting to happen. I get nervous when I'm railfanning and see anything marked csx.
That's dangerous job working under a tilted up train car held up by chains.
No wonder my O scale hopper cars have weights in the bottom.
Haha, that's right. Even before this happened, I always thought this covered hopper design may have a flaw lol
@ 24:20 DAMM
how good it was specialized staff! I do not want to imagine one that was not .... maybe I would have picked it up faster.
This must be the Z Crew for Roger Corman, only one car laid on its side and couldn't get the job done, pitiful.
The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore, not like they did back in 1954
What are they thinking? I knew that going to happen. It's not rocket science. Should have someone with a brain.
I guess they did their best. Perhaps it was their first derailment.
Thanks! I could watch this all day long. Amazing how many people think they could have done it better. Ha!
Thank you for watching. It was definitely an interesting operation. Given the very limited available space, I also don't think it could have been done better. The goal was to get the car out of the way from the inside of the curve and this they achieved after some trying.
Check out the link below. In fifteen minutes this crew had the car moved, set aside, and were looking at cleanup. In the video above, it took them an hour to haphazardly handle the same situation. Its worth mentioning, its the same company handling the mess, RJ Corman, using the same type of equipment.
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my former territory,this R.J. Corman supervisor didn't have very much wrecking experience or doesn't know how to roll or rerail a car,should've been 1 hr. to do either.
These workers must be paid big serious bucks to do this job. Is there ways the train engineers know when one or more of the cars derailed?
Finally Uprighted only to be turned over again on the other side. 🙄
It’s not interesting to so you driving along. Just show what the title claims.
Speed limit 35, does 50 to stay ahead of the train.
+Adderall vs Haha, that's not true! Q194 slowed down early because he didn't even have an approach signal to the Howie Siding. Believe me, I don't stress the speed limits. There are cops out there everywhere.
+mbmars01 yea I feel ya they sit and wait 24/7
THERE IS ONE GOOD THING. IT IS GIVING RJ COREMAN SOME WORK TO DO I GUESS IT HAS BEEN SAID THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME GOOD COME OUT OF EVERY THING
Thanks for using all caps, as I am hard of hearing.
Wow that was Really Neat Great Video Thanks
+Brendan Flaherty Nice, thank you!
WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT WITH THE SHAPE THE RAIL TRACK ARE IN WELL RJ CORMANWILL GET IT OFF THE ROAD SO THEY CAN GET THE TRAINS THROUGH.
WOW!!! Talking about a very critical operation.
I thought they were trying to get it back on the track? At the end of the vid it completely rolls over to the other side! Were they trying to that? lol
The purpose of this action was to get the car out of the way and re-open the line. They did put the car back on track the next day.
How long a train is too long?
Does this guy know what he's doing?........
Running out of fuel? how stupid, nice shot of the derailment too don't get to see that all the time.
+mow4ncry Yeah... Difficult to understand.
I don’t know why they still have the a should be L
So these guys are the clean up crew I get it...But souldnt do it with minimum damage in mind?These guys damaged the car even more...(In fact they totaly F@@ it up!!)
CSX may have already considered the car a total loss. If that is true, they wouldn't care about the damage.
It's up to the owner of the rail cars and not necessarily the railroad as to whether or not they want a re rail or scrap the cars. RJ Corman goes in with that in mind according to their customers wishes for clean up.
This was by far not Corman's best crew!!
Tom Cander I didn’t understand why didn’t they bring in a boom crane and move it to the side just asking ?
@@briankeith5437 they will re-rail if possible but first and foremost is getting the rail back in service. Yes, I would have just got it off to the side and moved on.
Great video of quite a rare situation, especially since the train was only two cars long. I know CSX has had a number of derailments (Q401 in DC, etc.) but most of those were due to the train too long and the loaded cars improperly placed throughout the train.
+csxcw44ac Yeah, it seems they had quite some troubles last week. I also still wonder how this could happen here.
Not as rare as you would think. RJ Corman stays very busy doing this day-in-day-out. Pretty cool video tho
@@cam545 Of course they do. They turned a 2 hour job into at least 4.
Csx a derailment garentee.
Only three cars, and two of them derail... that's gotta be embarrassing...
Oh yeah-- and the coal train running out of fuel. How does that happen??
One derailed, but it was kinda funny given how short the train was.
The Big Boy is laughing at the coal train now.
I’ve never seen a derailment Irl or the aftermath of one but it looks horrifying I wouldn’t have the guts to go near it in fear of getting crushed
Yeah, it's awe-inspiring.
Is it possible that they had the wrong equipment? Have you emailed a copy of this to CSX they might be interested in it?
Well, they have their own people to investigate this incident. For them, it was just a small thing that can happen at any time, I guess.
How does a train run out of fuel in this day and age? That has never crossed my mind as a possibility outside of a leak.
I couldn't believe it either when I saw that.
LKNANML rumour has it they’re still trying to work out who didn’t put enough fuel in
Csx "we move tomorrow" "because we didn't move today" 😝
Nice! very cool!
+Daniel Kennedy Yeah, that was certainly a somewhat special event.
Below Geoffrey Kail says it all. Perhaps the supervisor could go into the scrap business because he certainly scrapped that grain car and stay away from the recovery crews because all he did there was make every-one late home.
Fiasco of incompetence.
I'm just wondering how many people leaving comments are going to go get a job with the RR so you can show them "how it's done".
I have never worked with the RR, but I have worked in heavy industrial maintenance and construction for forty years. I have moved and set big equipment and know that when you are uprighting a piece of equipment that you need to have an attachment on it so when it is at it's apex and starts back down you have control to stop it from rolling completely over. They were short one piece of equipment plus some dunnage for blocking. Just my opinion, not a scientific study.
@@thomasproctor3047 Obviously I wasn't there but I suspect that, under the circumstances, they were sent out there to "clear the tracks" as soon as possible. As this happened in a basically rural area I doubt that the heavy "train cranes" were close by.
How does CSX manage to stay in business. Long trains, single track, faulty equipment....bad for business.
Way too many road crossings, not safe.
this was a cluster fuck!
R.J Corman... where have i heard that name before... OH that right just about anywhere railroads are LOL
What i don#t get is why they rolled it over to the other side of the track. Why not just shift it further to the left - or was their intention to attempt to try to get it back onto its bogies ?
CSX & NS need to spend more time on MOW then they might so much time and money putting stuff back where should be and not on the ground 🤬😠👹😡👿😡👹😠💀💀
Another Great Video. Smyrna, Ga.
Thanks!
Nice work; I bet this took a while to completely clean up
+Donald Conklin It's already done. Took less than two days and the line was never closed.
+mbmars01 I see. Nice job by the crew!
Crack kills. Lol
Why do they persist in using those useless dozer cranes why not just bring in a descent crane and lift the entire thing, talk about trying to do things the hard way.
Does anybody know what they are doing? Seems an awful lot standing around. Think they are hanging it out for the overtime.
Hello mbmars 01 I Hope have come to harm the people no.
+Werner Sievers As far as I know, nobody was injured.
+mbmars01 did A749 go to fast around the curve
kevin butler
No, he certainly didn't. Then the car would haven toppled to the outside of the curve, but it fell inside. Something has dragged it this way, e.g., strain by pulling a car with an accidentally activated brake. But I don't know the real cause.
+mbmars01 oh, is traffic up and running through there now
Yes, it had never stopped, except for the brief period covered in my video. Yesterday they lifted the car, put it on its own trucks and moved it away. That must have been a quick process, because they didn't have much time between the trains going through. I didn't see it, because I came too late, but I will produce another video that summarizes yesterday's activities.
How can a train run out of fuel? Aren’t they suppose to communicate with dispatch about stuff like that??
Great video.
Cool, thanks!
Looks like a tricky location. Excellent video.
+iusetano That's what it is. Thanks!
The railcar cranes are outdated
David Yeager the phrase ‘if it ain’t broke don’t fix it’ comes to mind
Which one ran out of fuel? There’s three locomotives on that train. They couldn’t just continue with the other two locomotives?
Great video. This operation is more difficult than the "experts" in their PJs eating their milk and cookies thinks it is. Gotta love arm chair quarter backs.
I agree. It's not a toy car...
Yes, and they had to do it without damaging the line. Armchairs don't see that.
Yes...they had lots of train-ing. Heh...heh... (Sorry for existing)
Assuming that those commenting
don’t know anything... When they took the chokers over the top to “pull up” from the other side all they did was add down pressure to car while tying to pull it “up” from that position. They needed to attach to the top of the near side of the car, not the bottom of the far side. Same results per say, just a better hook point and less added force. And yes worrying about the rail underneath. The way they hooked it would be trying to “render” the car as it sits instead of “ leaning” the car upright.
5:35 They look a little too close together like they got squished.
Personal muy torpe para esta maniobra.
No tuvieron idea de hacer su trabajo.
I can't even figure out if the derailed car was loaded or empty. I didn't spot grain coming out of it. Does anyone here know?
ok seriously trying to lift this this thing by the brake wheel? suprised the wheel didnt snap off
I was also a bit surprised when I saw this.
i don't think RJ CORMAN would want to use this video as an advertisement .........it's not one of their better rerailments..........i THINK i could have done at least as "good" as this crew did and maybe even a little better with a couple of 20 ton jacks and a few crow bars.........
That's what I thought when I watched this action.
This video was about as dull as they come.
Great video. I always forget what the name of the caterpillars with the side cranes are called. What say you?
Thanks! I'm not familiar with this equipment and can't answer your question.
@@mbmars01 That is pipe laying equipment converted to that application. Stupidly strong winches on those machines. Tonnage is remarkable. They use one inch diameter cable.
Its called a Sidewinder or Sideboom. It's a Dozer with a hinged boom on one side and a hinged counter weight on the opposite, and winch spool in the back.( no blade up front) Johnny Holland is correct. It was originally designed for laying pipe. Only reason I know what it is, is because I'm a Heavy equipment operator. Lol The Dozer might not of been completely out of fuel, but maybe just low, and with the steep angle of the ballast/ track/ road bed that the Dozer Operator had to climb over to get to the other side probably made the fuel pump suck air on which ever low side of the tank the pump was getting the fuel from? Maybe not, but I've seen it happen before.
@@@brianbenson1973, Thank you Brian. That was the name alright! Good on ya mate.
@@WJack97224 You bet buddy!👍😎
Back in the early '70s, in my
Hometown, on a sat. Am,
U.P. was kickin' cars off the
Mainline onto a siding thru
A switch, & four cars derailed. They put them back on the track one at a
Time, and after they had that done, which took 4hrs,
They would walk down the siding ,& park 'em. Then they
Replaced the track on both
Sides, including the switch
For a total of 7 hrs. And the
Boxcars didn't tip over which made the job faster and easier. One of the section men told me that if
One or more had tipped over
It would have been a lot longer getting the mainline
Reopened. I'm from the Pacific Northwest, Western
Washington state.
Cool story. Thanks for sharing!
Dang Bro - that ain't the way to do it - sheesh!
Wow,imagine if they were faced with a 20 car derailment...smh the amount of time just to pull it off the tracks
Lol, I remember I thought the same when I watched it.
nice job hope u got the rest of the clean up lol
+zippa .way They haven't yet cleaned up. I wish I could see it, but I may also well miss it. It's not very close to where I live.
+mbmars01 was there anything in those cars ?
christopher coleman
No, it was empty. The train came from the feed mill nearby.
mbmars01 oh ok thanks
All those stationary trains must have been blocking dozens of crossings. Did people have alternative ways of getting where they wanted to while all that was going on? Very interesting up close look at the work; was that car loaded or empty?You need to have confidence in your colleagues to lie underneath that car at that precarious angle.
Well, it's possible to go around, but extra ways can be a few miles longer. I think the car was empty, someone who lives there said it was half-loaded, whatever this means. Absolutely right! That wouldn't be a job for me lol
I agree with some the posters about the organization and time took. The equipment in use seemed very inadequate for the job. I watched a crew set two locos back on the tracks in about 6 hours here in the Midwest. They had brought in two large cranes from Catanni, which just picked them up like they were Lionel locomotives!
I forgot to mention the locos were on their sides...
Well, it's not only the time it took locally. The time it takes to bring in adequate equipment must be added and I think it would have taken considerably longer if they had brought in large cranes (I don't know which would have been the nearest shop that stores such equipment). Plus, there is not much room for large cranes to operate.
There are not a lot of companies in North America capable of doing this type of work. The nearest "adequate" equipment could have been too far out to bring in. Sometimes you have to do with what you got.
Hi From the UK Love your Vids..and the Info captions...Stay Safe Covids about!!
Very cool, thanks very much! Stay safe, too!
awesome footage!
Thank you! Glad you like it!
Not one of Cormans better efforts.
I have gotten to see first hand how good RJ Corman are. Some of our sand cars (Interestingly enough probably either CEFX or SHPX, and built in nearby Paragould, AR by ARI, the car in this video was also manufactured there) derailed and tore up some of our switches. They get shit done and get paid very well to do it. Then a few months later a BNSF we had major flooding and RJ came in and rebuilt miles of main line, it looked like a military operation, 24-7.
Yea, I also think they do a great job.
Wow that was crazy to watch.
That hopper car ate their lunch
The video shows how RJ Corman, a company specialized on derailment operations, secures the car by toppling it to the other side of the track! Sooo, they had no intention of re-railing it?
Not initially. They just wanted to get it out of the way to re-open the line. The car was put back on tracks the following day.
You can thank parents for the increase in the number of derailment the railroads are having!
How so?
The wagon had to be tied from the highest point and lifted so that the balance was stable. Of course, the funnels from below did not allow for proper work. In my opinion they should be removable. Nice video!
Good you like the video!
Running out of fuel in a train...
That has to be...
Embarrassing...
Haha, absolutely embarrassing I'd think.