Great intro especially the Mary Poppins piece. Bielsa was incredible and with average championship level players. We should have upgrade the players over time but Victor wanted to gamble and bring in Jessie mid season, just when the fixtures improved.. Farke and this team is good thou, still one or two players short but definitely top 6 but maybe even win it
Great video Gabe as usual. I really wanted JM to work and the USA players were exciting additions. It didn't work because of many factors which was a shame but we go again.
Great video Gabe, really engaging content. Just one thing you said that I'd push back on about the Bielsa players getting no stick compared to the USMNT players even though they all underperformed, that's not really true. Junior Firpo, Patrick Bamford, Robin Koch, Illan Meslier all got dogs abuse. And to a lesser extent but at some points during the season, Adam Forshaw, Jack Harrison and Pascal Struijk (only really after Wober came in) did as well. By the same token, Kristensen and Roca also got plenty of abuse from fans and even though they were Marsch signings, they weren't USMNT players. The main reason I think USMNT signings did, and continue to cop abuse, is the social media warring between USMNT and non-American Leeds fans. You did point a lot of this out, but I would also just add to it that English football culture has a strong club-before-country feel, and similarly club-before-player feel. The US "fans" that we got coming in and trumpeting about players and the nationality of said players rubbed people the wrong way before the season even kicked off. Somewhat analogously, if you look at the Messi vs Ronaldo debate, that sort of thing hasn't really crept into English football culture. We don't idolise single players in the same way that other footballing cultures do. English football culture is about heritage, fanbases, derbies. This is somewhat antithetical to what the USMNT fans were excited about, so inadvertently these sections of the fanbase put most Leeds fans off these players by virtue of this clash in footballing culture
Yeah this is a good point! They definitely got stick, though I’d say maybe not as much. Perhaps more accurately, they weren’t lumped in with each other as a poster for the problem.
Really glad you start doing these Gabe. Having watched you before on other content creators I subscribed before even watching a video. Not disappointed. I like your perspective and articulation. More please.
as I said on 'X' brilliant content Gabe for your first Leeds solo venture. Keep it up please. I always watch The Debrief, but I never comment, I just agree with all that you guys say.
Absolute top stuff Gabe, really enjoyed watching this one! Very fair assessment of last season's failures across the Club. I was so glad you mentioned about the USA twitter accounts....😂
I've been a Leeds fan for 51 years. Leeds do failure. Its the Leeds way. Ups and downs. I don't blame Marsch. I blame Orta for trying to do the premier league on the cheap. Adams was great.. his loyalty not so great. Aaronson was crap. Good riddance. Marsch was out of his depth. I'm proud that we have American fans now. WARNING its always going to be frustrating in the extreme, supporting Leeds.. and brilliant at the same time.. ALAW
Great video Gabe, you put what I’ve been feeling into words very eloquently. I so badly wish things had panned out differently between my club and my national team, but they didn’t and we have to accept that and move on like you say
At the age of 75, As a Leeds Utd supporter, since the days of John Charles, Don Revie playing for Leeds, remembering, the debut game of Don Revie's first match, where Alan Humphries saved a penalty against the run of play with Sheffield Utd, who had on the previous season was relegated from the, then, first division. Leeds avoided relegation to the third division by winning against Newcastle away at the last game of the season. With the same team, Leeds ended up 5th. The following season with superb signings won promotion. The rest, is history, I live in Leeds, I talk to the Leeds fans who also live locally. The Jessie Marcsh thing, was nothing more than drawing American interest, so as to sell more shirts. As you point out, and we agree, that, that might have worked Internationally. Drawing in the American interest, as you suggested, failed. We didn't want to be RBLeeds Utd. Great video though.
What a history you have with the club! You’ve experienced more with this team than most of the rest of us have combined! Let’s hope any American interest comes from people who truly love the club. Thanks so much for your comment :) I’m so pleased you tuned in.
I think if they had gotten a legit striker, maybe Castellanos, and a legit left back in Summer ‘22 like everyone was clamoring for at that time. No revisionist history, things could have been different. But enough with the what ifs. Jesse talked too much as you say and he also had a target on his back from refs after that Brentford game. Jeans were def way too tight! Had no backroom staff, the goal is in the middle?!, corporate Red Bull lingo, set pieces were terrible with the whole Jack and Brenden sign language, the old guard stayed way too long, substitutions were bad (Southampton August game so bad), and the period will be remembered for all the Ted Lasso mentions too! Thanks Gabe for doing this! Another Boston-based Leeds fan let’s get drinks and watch bud! Cheers
Great video Gabe!... Jessie was not the guy Leeds needed!... from the Red Bull family, managing in a much smaller league (no disrespect!), then coming to the Prem!... BIG jump in class and competition!... His 4-2-2-2 system was unproven in the Prem and ultimately failed! MB played with width!, we had a team full of wingers! TBH, Jessie's ethos was for us to "run around a lot!"... that's about all we did... with no end result!. it didn't help that Bamford was and remains extremely poor! the only player who worked was Tyler. The rest... i'm afraid, not worth the paper their contracts were written on!! You have to blame the management aswell though... Radz & Orta the main culprits... The best thing to come out of this... the 49ers!... we HOPE & PRAY, that our beloved club will now be run properly and we can get back to where we belong... sooner, rather than later!!!
To be honest Gabe by the end of the season all the leeds fans I know couldn't wait to get rid of all the players that left apart from Sinni and Tyler. We obviously don't like either of them now. I am more than happy with the 49ers I think they are doing great. Good luck with your channel I have just subscribed .
I think that your points about a build up of bad decisions, one on top of the other, is the most accurate way to describe what I believe caused our temporary downfall. I have much respect for people like Clint Dempsey, Landon Donovan at Everton every January for a while there, Kasey Keller, Eddie Lewis for example, who have all had very good careers here in England. I was very much excited at the thought of McKennie and Adams going at it with the Prem, it looked good to me. However, apart from Tyler (who I'm now very disappointed in personally) I think it is fair to say that not many people came out of last season with extra credit in the reputational bank. That's ok though. It's wonderful waking up on a morning knowing that most of our '5th column' so to speak are long gone. I can wash my hands and stick up two fingers to them all and hope to never see them again in our great city. Let's see what the next batch of arrivals have to show for themselves. One or two are off to a great start. Either way as is always the case, Leeds United Football Club will still be here when I and appallingly self centred people have long since passed into the ether. We go AGAIN 🙂 Marching on together. Enjoyed hearing your thoughts Gabe, thank you.
Calgary calling...very good piece this Gabe and pretty accurate and objective. We move on under Farke, a proven Championship winner twice and with our new additions of mostly proven quality, I expect us to be promoted. ALAW, MOT
Totally agree with everything it’s not the American players fault but they were American on top of a American manager & system,40 years as a Leeds fan & was at Bournemouth when we got promoted,so have seen it all
We wanted JM to be successful, obviously. The way he waffled on bugged us. Buying American players concerned us but we trusted him, initially. Aaronson wasn’t a Premier League player, clearly. McKennie didn’t prove he was a Premier League player. Adams did and we loved his efforts but the way he left the club made us disapprove of him too. That is 4 out of 4 Americans in our club that let us down. It isn’t a hatred of Americans. We love you guys. You just talk a lot 🤣
I think it was the way they conducted their departures more than anything. They all performed poorly, got us relegated and didn't have the inclination to right the wrong they were part off.
Like Gabe, have some very insightful thoughts on Leeds, thie editing is shocking though, is it a prototype first attempt, sure will improve, keep em. Coming
Thanks for the feedback! So it’s actually a pretty popular style of vlog editing that indexes pace and cuts out almost all empty space and is meant to feel a bit chaotic. That said, I know it’s a lot different from usual football content creator editing style :)
Great job Gabe...as a Brit who lived in California for 25 years, I really wanted JM to succeed with his new American signings, but unfortunately it quickly became a train wreck...not sure why he wasn't sacked sooner....maybe the 49ers were on the fence about taking over LEEDS 100%...OR maybe the 49ers were waiting for a better deal once LEEDS were relegated.....we shall never know. LOL...all the best man
Marsch had a flukey win at Wolves first season and a last day win v a 9 man Brentford who were on the beach and should have been sacked in the summer of 2022. Then a fortunate win v Chelsea which biased the situation, but did not match with the game facts, and the Liverpool away win which saved him from a pre-World Cup boot. Look at the play on the field and it was garbage from game one. Orta should never have recommended him and should never have supported him when questioned.
Still think if Bielsa had got his claws into Aaronson we'd have seen a player. One of the worst parts of Marsch's tenure was he was a shocking coach. No player got better (apart from Rodders but that wasn't skill that was playing him in position). Fucked our youngsters up, they all lost a year. Gelhardt looks a shadow of himself 2 years ago. Bielsa's said 'up yours' to the Uruguay establishment, is playing the kids and they're looking amazing. Dunno what my original point was. Oh yes, I still think there's a player in Aaronson, but he might have to find a Uruguayan grandparent.
Rodrigo didn't really get better, he was very good under Bielsa, just injured a lot. His goal and assist stats were about the same. He just struggled with the Bielsa pressing because he was slightly lazy. It's funny how Bielsa has been proven right about almost everything. Fans moaned about Gelhardt not starting. As you say, he now looks shot of confidence and has proven he isn't ready to start. Making cameo impact sub appearances under Bielsa he looked good. Likewise Poveda. Cresswell seems to have stagnated a bit, despite a loan where he played. There's a LOT more to developing young players than first team football. I'd have loved to have seen what Bielsa could have done with Cresswell over a few years. The only major mistake Bielsa made is sticking with Meslier. Who was disastrous for the last 2 seasons. But Bielsa acknowledged he isn't an expert on goalkeepers and mostly trusts his coaches on that front. A decent, experienced GK would have had us well safe in last season. And they were available for very cheap.
My understanding is, and im happy to be corrected, McKennie was being to play a defensive pivot role that doesnt suit him. Hes better going forward and making things happen. I dont know enough about Weston to kmow if thats true. I do agree that he got more abusse than was merited.
Ultimately the board were responsible for our relegation, not purchasing the right players and trying to stay up on the cheap then panic buying when we were in dire straits at the end of Jan. I think the vast majority of last years team downed tools when things weren’t going well, the fact they had loan clauses in so many of their contracts suggests they didn’t give a crap about Lufc as a club as they had a get out in place. Would love to have been a fly on the wall at the infamous palace game. I’m gutted Tyler left and more so the things that have come out since about him wanting to take Leeds to court. Would have had him as a future captain but alas. Liked JM but he was clearly out of his depth and the Liverpool win was ultimately our downfall as I think he would have gone before that result. Hopefully we can consolidate and perform to a high standard and go up.
There was a great interview with Larry Nance Jr on the 'Leeds, That!' podcast which explained the propensity of US fans to follow a player rather than a club. It's already a thing in the US sports - a player will have more social media followers than the team. That's rare in soccer outside the US. Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappé, maybe soon Bellingham, but that's about it.
An overall good and fair assessment of what went wrong last season. As an Irishman living in NY who has been a Leeds fan since 1975 I had really wanted JM to succeed as it would have meant Leeds did well and would have gone some way towards removing the stereotype Europeans have that Americans cannot coach football. It was clear after Fulham at home that Marsch was out of his depth. Aaronson started well but disappeared after the World Cup. Adams, along with Rodrigo, were among the few highlights. I get why you call Adams a flop as he missed half the season but that's hardly his fault. Had he stayed fit, Leeds may well have survived. That being said the other big issue was JM not adequately utilizing Klich and allowing him to leave in January - Klich could have been a good replacement for Adams.
Went into this with an open mind. I'm retired and watch every LUFC game, so of course saw every Marsch game and every one played by the Yanks. For starters, let's get the truth out there, Koch, Kristensen and Llorente are not Americans but all have been slammed by the fanbase and rightly so. Three internationals who put in countless gutless performances. Bottom line, they were not cut out for the PL. And let's not get started on Junior Firpo. OK, on Marsch. Absolutely not qualified to even be shortlisted. What the hell was Orta doing. Failed at Leipzig and only won at Salzburg because they dominated their league financially and offered pathways to the best youth in Europe. Search for his tactics at both clubs and you can see plenty of red flags. So Marsch was a fraud and then didnt even put together a quality backroom staff to assist with the tactical side, as in many ways he is a mental coach. True enough, Marsch had a big mouth from day one and made himself look a fool. Orta. Yip, here was the problem. An absolute naive owner who put 100% faith in a DoF who had failed at Boro. The club probably gave Orta 300 million in the PL across 6 transfer windows and arguably bought only Adams and Raphinha who succeeded. That's just not good enough and when you are trying to upgrade a rapidly ageing EFL squad, it's not going to work no matter what coach you have. I like Aaronson and think he has something to offer. What he needed was to come into a side slowly with support of the players around him. The team was struggling and he was left to flounder. Needs to get in the gym and gain a bit of mass to be stronger in possession. Harrison did private work every off season and improved as a result. Ultimate professional that guy. Ironically, Aaronson would have done well under Bielsa. Bang on the money with McKennie. Otherwise not bad at all. Have great hopes for the 49ers. What they want and what the fanbase want are aligned. Pretty successful summer given all the influences and probably a good AM away from taking this league. Hopefully gets sorted in January.
As an England based Leeds fan I don't see it the way you are describing, Gabe. I thought the appointment of Marsch was wrong as soon as he arrived, for several reasons (style of football #1), but not because he was an American. Adams was one of our better players, but I agree it was a near whole squad failure. I don't blame the American players specifically , they were all as bad as each other.
They weren't all as bad as each other. Adams was our best player (along with Rodrigo). If he'd stayed fit we'd have stayed up. Aaronsen was awful, Mckennie was awful and didn't seem to even care (although he was played out of position). As much as I loathe Yanks and as bad as Marsch was, Gracia was much worse and was the one most responsible for our relegation.
Good video, fair assessment. Glad to hear both sides of the story. USMNT fan here. Question for Leeds fans who always say, why don’t you support your club? Should I support Real Salt Lake, DC United? Maybe Inter Miami? How in the f*** can I support teams that have stolen the names of famous European clubs, and produce such terrible players. MLS is a joke of a league full of has beens and never will be’s. So yeah, we follow our players. We literally have no choice. It just feels gross and stupid to say I support Real Salt Lake.
He correctly observed that Gnonto isn't quite ready for the Premier League, at least as I see it. He requires additional development time before consistently securing a spot in a Premier League starting lineup. After a season in the Championship, he should be prepared to serve as a squad member for a bottom 10 Premier League team.
I don't think it is true that the American players got more stick than anyone else, it was more that the new players got more stick. The obvious reason for this was that the older players, even though they were playing badly, had given us seasons of success and wonder. They had earned the right to our patience. The new players were expensive, earning a fortune, and had done nothing of any worth. And let's remember, Tyler Adams was universally liked and respected. So, two Americans were treated the same as the likes of Roca and Kristensen, and one was treated better. It is true that McKennie was singled out, but he was fat and lazy, what else were we supposed to do? Like him because he can play better than he could be bothered to do for us? Thank him for taking our money and phoning it in? Leeds fans will quietly tolerate shit, but we will never stand for lazy.
Something that’s kind of hard to articulate to Americans is the way their naivety comes across in context. Barring Pele playing for the Cosmos back in the 70s, the only time until about 2014 or so you’d ever hear football being talked about in American media was as a figure of fun. I.e. the Simpsons saying it was boring, the back pages after a World Cup saying it’s a silly game anyway, or the President not knowing the rules against Ghana. So you grow up with the notion that this country doesn’t get it and have their own set of sports with competitions like the World Series that doesn’t include the rest of the world and they don’t even call the sport by it’s proper name. Then, bam all of a sudden you’ve got legions of new people coming in who’s primary motivation is their own national team telling you their opinion on your club is just as valid as yours.
so gabe are you trying to make a neutral football channel or leedscentric channel , if you want to see how to make a footie channel on youtube and get millions of fans watch mark goldbridge who has both .he runs the biggest man utd channel in the uk (united stand) and also has 1 million plus on his non affiliated channel (thats football) he is the best at the job and even though i am a liverpool fan i watch both channels .plus for me the best leeds utd youtuber in the uk is justjoe
the context is how bad we were before him, our so called "golden generation" failed at every attempt, there was no connection between the team and the country, and for most part the nation disliked what the team had become. Southgate has changed all that, he is a smart, emotionally intelligent and likeable man, he has brought in a whole new squad of manly young players whom he lead as his time as under 21 coach, the team is engaging and likeable, and yes many are frustrated by his pragmatic approach, but to be fair he is the 2nd most successful manger England have ever had, international management is a very different job to that of managing any club side
@@markauckland666I see your point, but apart from Capello, who was always a very negative manager, it was Sven and Steve McClaren and other subpar domestic choices. If the FA really went above and beyond and paid a world class manager to wrangle this special group of players, the sky is the limit.
Gotta say I agree with Gabe on this one. Southgate is definitely a decent coach and culture cultivator, but getting consistently easy draws in major tournaments and made him look like a way better manager than he is. He's not a good matchday manager, not good with the subs or adapting gameplans in real time.
@@godspeed133 my point in this regard was the assertion that Southgate was appointed as simply an FAs yes man, he wasn’t, he has done good work in creating a team culture around the squad, but I also recognise that for us to move to the next level a change may be needed, the question is who next?
Don't disagree with most of this. that said fact is McKinney is starting regularly for Juve again. He was played out of postiion. Still don't like Leeds fans. I thought they were particularly toxic that season. To be fair, I hate most USMNT fans even more.
I'd forgotten we had an American manager, Jodie Marsh. I thought it was a bad dream. 😢We even had American players: one that could only take throw-ins, one that fell over a lot for no particular reason and one that jumped ship to a pensioner retirement town, joining a team with more players than fans. They're all gone, yet for some reason there are still Americans active in the world of Leeds podcasts. Baffling.😄
I think you meant, in the under 8s and not the under 10s, he just may be able to stay on the ball and on his feet against the 8 yr olds, but could go either way to be fair.
You can't just blame the yanks,biesla was over rated ratzs&orta poor recruitment. Aaronson disappointed me but he kepted on picking him.jesses work in progress got my goat.
Please don't think we hate you Americans. We love you. Can't blame America for Leeds screwing up..
Nobdy hates Americans just the usmnt stan nonces.
No, we do.
Great intro especially the Mary Poppins piece. Bielsa was incredible and with average championship level players. We should have upgrade the players over time but Victor wanted to gamble and bring in Jessie mid season, just when the fixtures improved..
Farke and this team is good thou, still one or two players short but definitely top 6 but maybe even win it
Great video Gabe as usual. I really wanted JM to work and the USA players were exciting additions. It didn't work because of many factors which was a shame but we go again.
Great video Gabe, really engaging content. Just one thing you said that I'd push back on about the Bielsa players getting no stick compared to the USMNT players even though they all underperformed, that's not really true. Junior Firpo, Patrick Bamford, Robin Koch, Illan Meslier all got dogs abuse. And to a lesser extent but at some points during the season, Adam Forshaw, Jack Harrison and Pascal Struijk (only really after Wober came in) did as well. By the same token, Kristensen and Roca also got plenty of abuse from fans and even though they were Marsch signings, they weren't USMNT players.
The main reason I think USMNT signings did, and continue to cop abuse, is the social media warring between USMNT and non-American Leeds fans. You did point a lot of this out, but I would also just add to it that English football culture has a strong club-before-country feel, and similarly club-before-player feel. The US "fans" that we got coming in and trumpeting about players and the nationality of said players rubbed people the wrong way before the season even kicked off. Somewhat analogously, if you look at the Messi vs Ronaldo debate, that sort of thing hasn't really crept into English football culture. We don't idolise single players in the same way that other footballing cultures do. English football culture is about heritage, fanbases, derbies. This is somewhat antithetical to what the USMNT fans were excited about, so inadvertently these sections of the fanbase put most Leeds fans off these players by virtue of this clash in footballing culture
Yeah this is a good point! They definitely got stick, though I’d say maybe not as much. Perhaps more accurately, they weren’t lumped in with each other as a poster for the problem.
Really glad you start doing these Gabe. Having watched you before on other content creators I subscribed before even watching a video. Not disappointed. I like your perspective and articulation. More please.
Cheers, Liam! More coming Sunday :)
as I said on 'X' brilliant content Gabe for your first Leeds solo venture. Keep it up please. I always watch The Debrief, but I never comment, I just agree with all that you guys say.
Absolute top stuff Gabe, really enjoyed watching this one!
Very fair assessment of last season's failures across the Club.
I was so glad you mentioned about the USA twitter accounts....😂
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've been a Leeds fan for 51 years. Leeds do failure. Its the Leeds way. Ups and downs. I don't blame Marsch. I blame Orta for trying to do the premier league on the cheap.
Adams was great.. his loyalty not so great. Aaronson was crap. Good riddance. Marsch was out of his depth.
I'm proud that we have American fans now. WARNING its always going to be frustrating in the extreme, supporting Leeds.. and brilliant at the same time.. ALAW
I’m here for all the pain and am ready to be hurt by Leeds again! 😂
@GabeTheAmerican I think we will get massively better now the international break is over. It will be ups.
Great video Gabe, you put what I’ve been feeling into words very eloquently. I so badly wish things had panned out differently between my club and my national team, but they didn’t and we have to accept that and move on like you say
At the age of 75, As a Leeds Utd supporter, since the days of John Charles, Don Revie playing for Leeds, remembering, the debut game of Don Revie's first match, where Alan Humphries saved a penalty against the run of play with Sheffield Utd, who had on the previous season was relegated from the, then, first division. Leeds avoided relegation to the third division by winning against Newcastle away at the last game of the season.
With the same team, Leeds ended up 5th. The following season with superb signings won promotion. The rest, is history,
I live in Leeds, I talk to the Leeds fans who also live locally. The Jessie Marcsh thing, was nothing more than drawing American interest, so as to sell more shirts. As you point out, and we agree, that, that might have worked Internationally. Drawing in the American interest, as you suggested, failed. We didn't want to be RBLeeds Utd. Great video though.
What a history you have with the club! You’ve experienced more with this team than most of the rest of us have combined! Let’s hope any American interest comes from people who truly love the club. Thanks so much for your comment :) I’m so pleased you tuned in.
And now you are RB Leeds United. How ironic.
I think if they had gotten a legit striker, maybe Castellanos, and a legit left back in Summer ‘22 like everyone was clamoring for at that time. No revisionist history, things could have been different. But enough with the what ifs. Jesse talked too much as you say and he also had a target on his back from refs after that Brentford game. Jeans were def way too tight! Had no backroom staff, the goal is in the middle?!, corporate Red Bull lingo, set pieces were terrible with the whole Jack and Brenden sign language, the old guard stayed way too long, substitutions were bad (Southampton August game so bad), and the period will be remembered for all the Ted Lasso mentions too! Thanks Gabe for doing this! Another Boston-based Leeds fan let’s get drinks and watch bud! Cheers
Great video Gabe!... Jessie was not the guy Leeds needed!... from the Red Bull family, managing in a much smaller league (no disrespect!), then coming to the Prem!... BIG jump in class and competition!... His 4-2-2-2 system was unproven in the Prem and ultimately failed! MB played with width!, we had a team full of wingers! TBH, Jessie's ethos was for us to "run around a lot!"... that's about all we did... with no end result!. it didn't help that Bamford was and remains extremely poor! the only player who worked was Tyler. The rest... i'm afraid, not worth the paper their contracts were written on!! You have to blame the management aswell though... Radz & Orta the main culprits... The best thing to come out of this... the 49ers!... we HOPE & PRAY, that our beloved club will now be run properly and we can get back to where we belong... sooner, rather than later!!!
Totally agree!
To be honest Gabe by the end of the season all the leeds fans I know couldn't wait to get rid of all the players that left apart from Sinni and Tyler. We obviously don't like either of them now. I am more than happy with the 49ers I think they are doing great. Good luck with your channel I have just subscribed .
Thanks Diane! And agreed, it all went wrong, didn’t it?
I think that your points about a build up of bad decisions, one on top of the other, is the most accurate way to describe what I believe caused our temporary downfall. I have much respect for people like Clint Dempsey, Landon Donovan at Everton every January for a while there, Kasey Keller, Eddie Lewis for example, who have all had very good careers here in England. I was very much excited at the thought of McKennie and Adams going at it with the Prem, it looked good to me. However, apart from Tyler (who I'm now very disappointed in personally) I think it is fair to say that not many people came out of last season with extra credit in the reputational bank. That's ok though. It's wonderful waking up on a morning knowing that most of our '5th column' so to speak are long gone. I can wash my hands and stick up two fingers to them all and hope to never see them again in our great city. Let's see what the next batch of arrivals have to show for themselves. One or two are off to a great start. Either way as is always the case, Leeds United Football Club will still be here when I and appallingly self centred people have long since passed into the ether. We go AGAIN 🙂 Marching on together. Enjoyed hearing your thoughts Gabe, thank you.
Gabe,enjoyed the video,greetings from the West of Ireland.
Hope you will do more content in the future.
Many thanks for the video.
Very good research.
Excellent stuff Gabe, thanks! I hope you get time to do more content! MOT
Calgary calling...very good piece this Gabe and pretty accurate and objective. We move on under Farke, a proven Championship winner twice and with our new additions of mostly proven quality, I expect us to be promoted. ALAW, MOT
Agreed! Also, love Calgary.
Analysis 100% spot on I wouldn't have changed a single word if asked to edit the piece! This Irishman is in total agreement with your reasoning.
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Absolutely fantastic Gabe, Please tell me where you got the voice for the intro!
Totally agree with everything it’s not the American players fault but they were American on top of a American manager & system,40 years as a Leeds fan & was at Bournemouth when we got promoted,so have seen it all
We wanted JM to be successful, obviously. The way he waffled on bugged us. Buying American players concerned us but we trusted him, initially.
Aaronson wasn’t a Premier League player, clearly. McKennie didn’t prove he was a Premier League player. Adams did and we loved his efforts but the way he left the club made us disapprove of him too. That is 4 out of 4 Americans in our club that let us down.
It isn’t a hatred of Americans. We love you guys. You just talk a lot 🤣
I think it was the way they conducted their departures more than anything. They all performed poorly, got us relegated and didn't have the inclination to right the wrong they were part off.
I miss Mike Grella. Hard-working and professional, with good movement and good technical ability. Shame it didn't quite work ou lt for him at Leeds.
Not good enough.
Is this first TH-cam mate? Liked n subscribed buddy
I obviously mean on own
I made another video about the Rubiales scandal, but yeah this is my first real go at my own content
@@GabeTheAmericangood work mate glad your doing it
Like Gabe, have some very insightful thoughts on Leeds, thie editing is shocking though, is it a prototype first attempt, sure will improve, keep em. Coming
Thanks for the feedback! So it’s actually a pretty popular style of vlog editing that indexes pace and cuts out almost all empty space and is meant to feel a bit chaotic. That said, I know it’s a lot different from usual football content creator editing style :)
Great job Gabe...as a Brit who lived in California for 25 years, I really wanted JM to succeed with his new American signings, but unfortunately it quickly became a train wreck...not sure why he wasn't sacked sooner....maybe the 49ers were on the fence about taking over LEEDS 100%...OR maybe the 49ers were waiting for a better deal once LEEDS were relegated.....we shall never know. LOL...all the best man
Marsch had a flukey win at Wolves first season and a last day win v a 9 man Brentford who were on the beach and should have been sacked in the summer of 2022. Then a fortunate win v Chelsea which biased the situation, but did not match with the game facts, and the Liverpool away win which saved him from a pre-World Cup boot.
Look at the play on the field and it was garbage from game one. Orta should never have recommended him and should never have supported him when questioned.
Still think if Bielsa had got his claws into Aaronson we'd have seen a player. One of the worst parts of Marsch's tenure was he was a shocking coach. No player got better (apart from Rodders but that wasn't skill that was playing him in position). Fucked our youngsters up, they all lost a year. Gelhardt looks a shadow of himself 2 years ago. Bielsa's said 'up yours' to the Uruguay establishment, is playing the kids and they're looking amazing.
Dunno what my original point was. Oh yes, I still think there's a player in Aaronson, but he might have to find a Uruguayan grandparent.
You could be right about that!
Rodrigo didn't really get better, he was very good under Bielsa, just injured a lot. His goal and assist stats were about the same. He just struggled with the Bielsa pressing because he was slightly lazy.
It's funny how Bielsa has been proven right about almost everything. Fans moaned about Gelhardt not starting. As you say, he now looks shot of confidence and has proven he isn't ready to start. Making cameo impact sub appearances under Bielsa he looked good. Likewise Poveda. Cresswell seems to have stagnated a bit, despite a loan where he played. There's a LOT more to developing young players than first team football. I'd have loved to have seen what Bielsa could have done with Cresswell over a few years.
The only major mistake Bielsa made is sticking with Meslier. Who was disastrous for the last 2 seasons. But Bielsa acknowledged he isn't an expert on goalkeepers and mostly trusts his coaches on that front. A decent, experienced GK would have had us well safe in last season. And they were available for very cheap.
Quality video man, Eddie Lewis remains the greatest American to wear a Leeds shirt
The David Beckham of Cerritos
My understanding is, and im happy to be corrected, McKennie was being to play a defensive pivot role that doesnt suit him. Hes better going forward and making things happen. I dont know enough about Weston to kmow if thats true. I do agree that he got more abusse than was merited.
Yeah he’s best as a wide mid in a 4-3-3. But still. I expected more.
Hey up Grimsby lad!!! Great new show can't wait for more. Different hair too!!😂
Ultimately the board were responsible for our relegation, not purchasing the right players and trying to stay up on the cheap then panic buying when we were in dire straits at the end of Jan. I think the vast majority of last years team downed tools when things weren’t going well, the fact they had loan clauses in so many of their contracts suggests they didn’t give a crap about Lufc as a club as they had a get out in place. Would love to have been a fly on the wall at the infamous palace game. I’m gutted Tyler left and more so the things that have come out since about him wanting to take Leeds to court. Would have had him as a future captain but alas. Liked JM but he was clearly out of his depth and the Liverpool win was ultimately our downfall as I think he would have gone before that result. Hopefully we can consolidate and perform to a high standard and go up.
Great stuff mate, keep it coming!
"Before we talk about the American players, we have to talk about the American manager" Do we have to.
One question? What’s that hair cut called? 😉😂
and we do not want any of the loanees back - not one!
There was a great interview with Larry Nance Jr on the 'Leeds, That!' podcast which explained the propensity of US fans to follow a player rather than a club. It's already a thing in the US sports - a player will have more social media followers than the team. That's rare in soccer outside the US. Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappé, maybe soon Bellingham, but that's about it.
He’s 100% right. I had a rant about this filmed for the video, but it didn’t quite come together, so I cut it.
An overall good and fair assessment of what went wrong last season. As an Irishman living in NY who has been a Leeds fan since 1975 I had really wanted JM to succeed as it would have meant Leeds did well and would have gone some way towards removing the stereotype Europeans have that Americans cannot coach football. It was clear after Fulham at home that Marsch was out of his depth. Aaronson started well but disappeared after the World Cup. Adams, along with Rodrigo, were among the few highlights. I get why you call Adams a flop as he missed half the season but that's hardly his fault. Had he stayed fit, Leeds may well have survived. That being said the other big issue was JM not adequately utilizing Klich and allowing him to leave in January - Klich could have been a good replacement for Adams.
Went into this with an open mind. I'm retired and watch every LUFC game, so of course saw every Marsch game and every one played by the Yanks. For starters, let's get the truth out there, Koch, Kristensen and Llorente are not Americans but all have been slammed by the fanbase and rightly so. Three internationals who put in countless gutless performances. Bottom line, they were not cut out for the PL. And let's not get started on Junior Firpo.
OK, on Marsch. Absolutely not qualified to even be shortlisted. What the hell was Orta doing. Failed at Leipzig and only won at Salzburg because they dominated their league financially and offered pathways to the best youth in Europe. Search for his tactics at both clubs and you can see plenty of red flags. So Marsch was a fraud and then didnt even put together a quality backroom staff to assist with the tactical side, as in many ways he is a mental coach. True enough, Marsch had a big mouth from day one and made himself look a fool.
Orta. Yip, here was the problem. An absolute naive owner who put 100% faith in a DoF who had failed at Boro. The club probably gave Orta 300 million in the PL across 6 transfer windows and arguably bought only Adams and Raphinha who succeeded. That's just not good enough and when you are trying to upgrade a rapidly ageing EFL squad, it's not going to work no matter what coach you have.
I like Aaronson and think he has something to offer. What he needed was to come into a side slowly with support of the players around him. The team was struggling and he was left to flounder. Needs to get in the gym and gain a bit of mass to be stronger in possession. Harrison did private work every off season and improved as a result. Ultimate professional that guy. Ironically, Aaronson would have done well under Bielsa.
Bang on the money with McKennie.
Otherwise not bad at all. Have great hopes for the 49ers. What they want and what the fanbase want are aligned. Pretty successful summer given all the influences and probably a good AM away from taking this league. Hopefully gets sorted in January.
man you said what all inside my mind love it and MOT
As an England based Leeds fan I don't see it the way you are describing, Gabe. I thought the appointment of Marsch was wrong as soon as he arrived, for several reasons (style of football #1), but not because he was an American. Adams was one of our better players, but I agree it was a near whole squad failure. I don't blame the American players specifically , they were all as bad as each other.
They weren't all as bad as each other. Adams was our best player (along with Rodrigo). If he'd stayed fit we'd have stayed up. Aaronsen was awful, Mckennie was awful and didn't seem to even care (although he was played out of position).
As much as I loathe Yanks and as bad as Marsch was, Gracia was much worse and was the one most responsible for our relegation.
Really, Brendan was the record-signing. Ooh. Not a good fee for sure then.
I thought Jesse Marsch's jeans were his only redeeming feature. Top video. ALAW
Brilliant intro! Great podcast
Much appreciated!
Good video, fair assessment. Glad to hear both sides of the story. USMNT fan here. Question for Leeds fans who always say, why don’t you support your club? Should I support Real Salt Lake, DC United? Maybe Inter Miami? How in the f*** can I support teams that have stolen the names of famous European clubs, and produce such terrible players. MLS is a joke of a league full of has beens and never will be’s. So yeah, we follow our players. We literally have no choice. It just feels gross and stupid to say I support Real Salt Lake.
Get another live phone in going Gabe 👍.
Great video 👍
Good summary 👍
Gabe that was awesome dude👏😁💛🤍💙🦚
He correctly observed that Gnonto isn't quite ready for the Premier League, at least as I see it. He requires additional development time before consistently securing a spot in a Premier League starting lineup. After a season in the Championship, he should be prepared to serve as a squad member for a bottom 10 Premier League team.
intro is a madness gabe looool
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Brilliant Gabe… loved this.
Thanks, Dottie!
With some empathy to Weston….what must he have thought when Big Sam pitched up?
that Mary Poppins analogy was great 🤣🤣
Dysfunctional but fun haha
Well said and well done.
heya gabe morning bud whats happened to the fringe its now a side flick :)
Haircut next week. ;)
Great job! Plenty of blame to go around.
Where’s the French crop with fade gone 🤷🏻👍🏻
Everything grows in time, sadly. It’ll make a triumphant return very soon
Even your obvious and respectful observations would be considered blasphemy to the ussoccer subreddit
Maybe. Probably. 😂 but I get those folks over there are focused on something different, so I don’t necessarily begrudge them
Great video!
Cheers!
Great video Gabe.
Thanks!
all marsch players had a lack of commitment to the club, couldn't wait to desert when we got relegated - with their help!
Crawling over broken glass to get out of the club did not impress
Agreed
Is that really a Jesse Marsch AI voice or is it a voice actor??
Great job. Gabe!
Thanks!
They were all bad,except Tyler Adams,imo.
Can’t disagree
I don't think it is true that the American players got more stick than anyone else, it was more that the new players got more stick. The obvious reason for this was that the older players, even though they were playing badly, had given us seasons of success and wonder. They had earned the right to our patience.
The new players were expensive, earning a fortune, and had done nothing of any worth. And let's remember, Tyler Adams was universally liked and respected. So, two Americans were treated the same as the likes of Roca and Kristensen, and one was treated better.
It is true that McKennie was singled out, but he was fat and lazy, what else were we supposed to do? Like him because he can play better than he could be bothered to do for us? Thank him for taking our money and phoning it in?
Leeds fans will quietly tolerate shit, but we will never stand for lazy.
Something that’s kind of hard to articulate to Americans is the way their naivety comes across in context.
Barring Pele playing for the Cosmos back in the 70s, the only time until about 2014 or so you’d ever hear football being talked about in American media was as a figure of fun. I.e. the Simpsons saying it was boring, the back pages after a World Cup saying it’s a silly game anyway, or the President not knowing the rules against Ghana. So you grow up with the notion that this country doesn’t get it and have their own set of sports with competitions like the World Series that doesn’t include the rest of the world and they don’t even call the sport by it’s proper name.
Then, bam all of a sudden you’ve got legions of new people coming in who’s primary motivation is their own national team telling you their opinion on your club is just as valid as yours.
The World Series was named after a newspaper, but they treat it as if it is the real world. Another example of their own self-importance.
Fun fact: Weston McKennie is called "il bidone" by Juventus fans, this means "the Wheelie-Bin".
Gabe do more videos
Great video
Thanks, Robert.
so gabe are you trying to make a neutral football channel or leedscentric channel , if you want to see how to make a footie channel on youtube and get millions of fans watch mark goldbridge who has both .he runs the biggest man utd channel in the uk (united stand) and also has 1 million plus on his non affiliated channel (thats football) he is the best at the job and even though i am a liverpool fan i watch both channels .plus for me the best leeds utd youtuber in the uk is justjoe
Good video.
Top show
a fair take on the Americans, but your way off on Southgate
You think he’s a world class manager?
the context is how bad we were before him, our so called "golden generation" failed at every attempt, there was no connection between the team and the country, and for most part the nation disliked what the team had become. Southgate has changed all that, he is a smart, emotionally intelligent and likeable man, he has brought in a whole new squad of manly young players whom he lead as his time as under 21 coach, the team is engaging and likeable, and yes many are frustrated by his pragmatic approach, but to be fair he is the 2nd most successful manger England have ever had, international management is a very different job to that of managing any club side
@@markauckland666I see your point, but apart from Capello, who was always a very negative manager, it was Sven and Steve McClaren and other subpar domestic choices. If the FA really went above and beyond and paid a world class manager to wrangle this special group of players, the sky is the limit.
Gotta say I agree with Gabe on this one. Southgate is definitely a decent coach and culture cultivator, but getting consistently easy draws in major tournaments and made him look like a way better manager than he is. He's not a good matchday manager, not good with the subs or adapting gameplans in real time.
@@godspeed133 my point in this regard was the assertion that Southgate was appointed as simply an FAs yes man, he wasn’t, he has done good work in creating a team culture around the squad, but I also recognise that for us to move to the next level a change may be needed, the question is who next?
Gabe new look? Looks like Harry Kane enough to attract beautiful women and unlimited free drinks.
Hahaha I’ll take it!
Don't disagree with most of this. that said fact is McKinney is starting regularly for Juve again. He was played out of postiion. Still don't like Leeds fans. I thought they were particularly toxic that season. To be fair, I hate most USMNT fans even more.
I don’t think the US players are particularly in the cross hairs / Marsch though was terrible
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Don’t forget an uninspiring vinyl collection
Leeds chooses you. You can't choose Leeds without having to accept downs.
No disrespect but they weren't good enough, Leeds is a unique club and it needs special people to play and manage here.
There’s nothing disrespectful about that - it’s true
Spot no Gabe
Gabe you will have to work on a good catch vrase to end videos 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Open to suggestions 😂
@@GabeTheAmerican over and out Gabe the eagle 🦅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I'd forgotten we had an American manager, Jodie Marsh. I thought it was a bad dream. 😢We even had American players: one that could only take throw-ins, one that fell over a lot for no particular reason and one that jumped ship to a pensioner retirement town, joining a team with more players than fans. They're all gone, yet for some reason there are still Americans active in the world of Leeds podcasts. Baffling.😄
This guy was a leeds fan long before Marsch and the 49ers came in.
@@kelvinengland3991 He's got a good sense of humour too. That's why I made the joke comment, mate.
@@paulatkins5847#GabeOut 😂
Aaronson should have been played as an 8, not a 10.
I think you meant, in the under 8s and not the under 10s, he just may be able to stay on the ball and on his feet against the 8 yr olds, but could go either way to be fair.
In Austria maybe, not here.
You would've done a better job than Jesse Marsch. There I said it.
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You can't just blame the yanks,biesla was over rated ratzs&orta poor recruitment. Aaronson disappointed me but he kepted on picking him.jesses work in progress got my goat.
Bielsa is a God.
man you said what all inside my mind love it and MOT