I like red card honestly, if you have a good to decent economy it scales faster than things like bus/green joker in exchange for costing more money (and personally i think its really funny to get a red card to a high mult value) definitely still not good but it has been a big part of a few of my mid stake runs (now that orange stake is changed, its not useless in orange/gold), definitely not unusable
Overrated: Supernova. From my experience, Supernova is only slightly better than Green Joker/Ride The Bus. Underrated: Riff Raff might be 2 tiers too low. Getting Riff Raff early is an auto buy because it’s busted.
Sock and Buskin being in S-tier (which I agree with) while Hack is in C-tier is absolutely crazy to me. Hack is Sock and Buskin without having to worry about the Plant boss. Both of my highest scoring runs (e105 on plasma, e58 on ghost) were with Hack/Idol builds.
I just won my first gold stake run using obelisk on green deck. I was shocked because it was probably my least played joker before that. But man, ride the bus transitions into it really well.... getting a blueprint on the obelisk didn't hurt either.
The worst thing about Obelisk is that it's just not sustainable. At some point, your second most played hand will catch up to your most played hand, then your third, and so on, until you're forced to reset Obelisk. To make it last until the end of the run, you gotta go all in on one hand, then abruptly switch from it. It can work, but it just isn't fun having to check all the time whether or not the hand you're about to play is tied for most played hand, and you being bound to sell that Rare Joker with a bazillion mult at some point really hurts.
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic563 Obelisk's Advocate, if you can manage to make a build that doesn't crumble the second you stop playing one or two hand types you'll probably run out of rounds to play before you're really forced to screw yourself like that, especially if you're skipping a bit more aggressively to help that along. doesn't mean I want to play it, still. But I can at least see how you'd survive if you are willing to put up with it. But yeah if you're going past Ante 8 it's purely temporary.
I just won my first gold stake run while listening to this in the background and did it with Obelisk strangely enough, was doing high card build and just pivoted to pairs/anything else. It was clunky though, I was forced to reset it once and barely got it built up enough again to scrape by the final boss blind. but it has moved up in the tier list of my heart!
Red card is nowhere near the worst in the game lol, theres not very many ways to gain 6 mult per shop early game, get your economy sorted early game and red card does big work
Jimbo is way underrated, just because he’s $2. If you’re ever not at 5 jokers he’s a snap pick for me, 4 unconditional mult stays relevant as far as ante 3-5 especially if you have a chip joker
i found a nice interaction with credit card, when you use the credit card joker and you open a spectral pack, if you take the rare joker it resets your money at 0$ even if you are -20$
I recently picked up Canio while having the joker that destroys a card for 3$... then instantly getting that joker that copies mult... ended up with x11 mult two times and hit my personal best (still less than a billion, but good for me :3 )
I have way better luck playing Canio as if he were Glass Joker. lol If there's one specific Tarot card I need to make a build come together, it just peaces out for the next dozen rounds. And if that one thing I need is an uncommon joker, it might as well not exist.
Oh man, I think you're underrating Riff-Raff. On the higher stakes, it's *incredible*, as the jokers it gives can't have stickers. But even on the lower stakes, it can let you assemble some really strong common jokers. I often joke that Riff-Raff is a "banana generator", but I think it really is. It can also set you up with supernova, hanging chad, or whatever you need really. Speaking of hanging chad....I think it could straight-up be S. It's synergy with Glass card + photograph is 64x mult! And it's so easy to assemble! As for the one I disagree with most...wow, I think Troubadour is garbage. It costs you money for every round you have it. I really don't think it's ever worth taking, I would rather just have an extra hand + a joker slot rather than the hand size. It's hypersituational at best. Finally, I would personally move up Pants and hologram, I think both are basically a win, in the long term. But yeah, besides that, fantastic tier list :)
I FORGOT THEY DONT HAVE STICKERS UGHHHH. Riff Raff is S-Tier right now. In response to troub, I often have an extra gold card in hand when taking him so it's +econ.
Jumping in to add some cheers in support of Riff-Raff. A early Riff-Raff from one of the first 3 shops has rescued me on countless occassions on Gold Stake runs. There are so many runs with Riff-Raff gives you 2 of your favorite chip/mult jokers during the first few rounds. Of course during the late game we always have to wish our Riff-Raff a teary-eyed goodbye before Ante 8. But we'll always have fond memories of all of the gifts Riff-Raff shared with us before it departed to the clouds. Raising a goblet to share a heartfelt toast for Riff-Raff!
As someone who kept passing on Troubadour because of -1 hand then took it on a whim due to being negative, it’s not garbage. Yes it costs econ but the extra space for gold/steel cards or even to get the extra discarded card(s) in when you’re fishing for a hand can be much more valuable than the $1. It’s not something that I’d take on any run but when I’m pushing for consistent 4+ card hands or held card triggers, I’ll grab it. It can also be a savior early game when you just want to survive, I’ve been burned far too often needing to dump a card that I drew the second or third copy of when fishing for a full house or straight to survive.
Notable about Raised Fist: It works with steel cards! If you have a steel 10, steel 9, steel 8 and a 7 as your last cards in hand if you move the 7 to the leftmost of the hand then you get the +14 mult from the 7 before the steel cards trigger
Very amateur comment from me, but regarding Madness, here's how I use it. I don't buy it late, I only ever buy it early. Get it up to those wacky levels of X mult, and get your economy going through gold cards, gold seals, high scoring hands you don't have to play over and over such as flush and above, utilize the extra money you're getting from not buying jokers to focus on improving your cards. Bonus cards, mult cards, polychrome obviously, steel cards, stone cards, doesn't matter. Make your cards pull the duty of those missing jokers, and you can afford to do so. All your economy is going into your deck itself. This guy keeps you alive through most of the antes before the ante 8 boss all by himself, but at a certain point this always happens: 1. You're swimming in cash, your economy sustains itself through gold cards and gold seals, hands played, and payouts from blinds, and interest. You have so much money you buy everything in the shop just on the chance of it helping you. Assuming you made a gold card or two or used a gold seal card a few times, you're easily fine. You spent a little on planets but you're not trying to get to level 20 hands here, you just don't want to be on level 1. 2. Your deck is brilliant and also suited to the type of hand you'd prefer to play, so you don't need to sink further money into tarot cards either. 3. You already have whatever vouchers you want. 4. You're not going to proceed further on madness alone. But it did carry you all the way to this point, easily. Now, buy all your jokers. We don't bother making them negative or enhancing them for obvious reasons. We get common chip and mult jokers only. We don't need additional x mult, we just want good base chips and mult jokers, our cards plus madness does the rest. Yes madness will eat one of your jokers. That joker is trivially easy to replace. You not only have the money to replace it, you can reroll until you find something just as good or better. So now you have 4 jokers that boost your mult and chips, you have a deck full of cards that boost your mult and chips. You have a hand that plays easily and scores well, and you have all the x mult you could ever desire. The only micro is buying a replacement joker every shop, which is as difficult as clicking a button 1-3 times. Madness is good to win runs. It might not be good for high scores and post game runs without eternal jokers, but it is all the X mult necessary to win all by itself when bought early enough. It needs the time to scale up to the double digits of multiplicative mult, and you need the time to build your deck out and your economy up to sustain buying common jokers every shop. It might not work well with low scoring small hands that typically get boosted by mult and chip jokers, or by space joker or burnt joker. But it can carry any mid-scoring hand and above to victory, when it starts running out of gas, give it helper jokers. It will eat them, but carry you to victory with their help. You get eternal jokers and you can buy it late. You have a great economy and you don't have super powerful, negative, or jokers with editions that you mind losing, and he's a pretty solid joker regardless of timing. But he really shines the earlier you get him, before you've spent 50+ dollars on other jokers and several antes have gone by. You spend less on jokers in general until the time comes, allowing you the cash to do everything else that grants you permanent effects that madness doesn't eat- tarot cards, spectral cards, mult and bonus and other enhancements, planet cards, vouchers. Don't skip blinds, is all. Madness helped me beat some stakes and certain decks that were giving me trouble. It appeared early and I know what to do. You almost don't have to think.
I really want to try and doing a run like this. I see the vision, but like I mentioned in the video it's not an easy pilot and there are simpler ways to win. However, this sounds like fun and great content.
I still don’t know how to feel about the placement of hallucination. It only giving 1 random tarot on average for 2 packs (2 max) and needing a good economy to maximize that potential is just too much to have it that high. It’s definitely not on power with the rest of the cards I see in its tier.
I think it goes very well with a BP/Brainstorm compared to economy jokers that can't be copied & getting tarots from something I do most shops anyway is really nice. At the same time I tend to agree, maybe needs to be a tier lower when you look at the jokers around it.
@@ZainoTVLive what makes it a little bit better is that its a "shop joker" - you dont have to play a round with it for it to score - less opportunity cost. It can be a useful move to buy it, buy 2 packs, sell it (if you find a better joker) - getting a different joker from the packs then also is nice
Yah way too high for that one. It doesn’t help you score and you have to buy packs to maybe get the benefit of it. It’s fine but it’s closer to average than it is to very good
Hallucinations have very strong synergy and have high potential. However since it’s rng dependent it’s still relatively hard to rate. I would put it mid-high A tier still.
I love tier list content. When I'm thinking about a joker, I consider how likely it is to help me in my current situation and the long term. Certain jokers, like Jimbo the basic joker, are basically ante 1 fodder. Super cheap, and the thing you need most at the time is mult. It does its job at a minimal impact to your economy, and you can always afford it even if you struggle and use all your hands early ante 1. It's obviously one of the weakest jokers the later into the game you go, but it keeps you alive long enough to see enough shops where you replace him. Which means he's strictly early game material, but often pretty solid, and he applies to every scoring hand. Other jokers seem better but are more expensive, don't trigger on every hand, rely on specific situations to trigger, or take up space in the shop when the first joker I ever look for is an additive mult joker. He's a lot like those tarot cards you buy to immediately sell for a profit, or the economy jokers you don't buy for long term. They are strictly transactional jokers that aren't a part of your "happily ever after" endgame joker set, but they perform a vital function getting your economy or score up temporarily, early, when you're struggling more due to RNG. Honestly, as weak as old Jimbo is, I've had so many runs on the upper stakes where I keep playing and dying because the early shops had no mult jokers in them and I couldnt afford to keep rerolling. Even he could have saved those runs, and helped where dozens of other jokers absolutely did not help early on. If you rate only their effectiveness come endgame or post ante 8, he's garbage. You also don't like seeing him in the shop taking up space when you no longer need him, which is quickly. Most other plus mult jokers are much better, too. But he's reliable plus mult for the era of the game where you die if you don't get him, and he applies every hand every time. He's like an old beat up but reliable starter vehicle. He's not pretty but he gets you to work on time. You don't keep him forever but you earn what you need to replace him pretty reliably, which means he's often a good, if short, investment. I can't say I've ever regretted buying him. There are a lot of other jokers that turned out to be a waste of money and opportunity.
Fair enough argument, but since it still pops up in the shop I take that into account..like x percentage of time I would buy and use this joker as well as how often id use it over another joker.
Before the patch, red card is untakable at orange/gold stake, because packs were untakable. But its genuinely a good joker. So many buffoon, standard, and celestial packs contribute nothing to your run, either by offering you bad cards, planets for hands you're not making, or (since rental and perishable stickers are a thing now) sticker'd jokers that suck. Skip them and get +3 mult. It may seem like you're giving up too much for the mult, but there just aren't that many jokers that can give 30 or 40 mult for one slot. Also, you don't HAVE to skip; if the pack offers something better, take it. But surprisingly many pack picks are worse than a flat +3 mult, scaling and cramming into a single joker slot.
I love that all the jokers that work when played hand "contains a two pair" or something like that also work when you play full houses or other hands in general. That means full houses activate jokers for pairs, two pairs, and three of a kinds.
I'd like to point out something about Red Card that you might not have considered, because in my opinion it's far from F tier. Bootstraps is in D tier, but these two Jokers basically serve the same purpose: turning your econ into flat mult. Red Card has the significant advantage of being able to give you mult and let you spend your money at the same time, whereas Bootstraps requires you to keep the money without spending it, or its mult plummets. Additionally, Red Card can scale faster and it's more efficient, not only because it gets +3 mult instead of +2, but also because of the existence of cheaper $4 packs and the ability to get the discount vouchers, making them even cheaper. Also, if you happen to come across a particularly good card in your packs, you can still pick it if you think it's worth more than 3 mult, not to mention that Mega packs allow you to pick a card and then still skip to get the Red Card benefit. Overall, I think Red card is a better version of Bootstraps, but it often gets low placements in these tier lists because psychologically it feels bad to use, as skips are seen as "wasted" money. It's far from the best flat mult joker in the game, but I feel like it's being severely underutilized by most players. Let me know your thoughts!
I had a pretty good run with Red myself by taking advantage of what you're talking about with the 2-packs where you can take one and skip one and still get the buff. And if a one-pack is full of duds (as it often is) it's a nice consolation prize to just skip and get your Red buffed. It's not a joker I'm taking every time, but it does have its uses especially when you're in dire need of some + mult.
I've been in a few scenarios where the game has practically forced me into taking Red card. I've seen how strong it can be, but even still it's so painful to play around that it's something I really only take out of desperation. But at the very least it's, A: not conditional with the cards you play, and B: doesn't reset or diminish if you choose not to scale it. Those factors alone are enough to put it above a lot of the +mult scaling jokers, as it's not something you need to ditch immediately if you start pivoting your build.
@@AllineVayn A single saturn is 30 chips. You can technically add more than that in a single ante with Runner. Also it adds those chips to any hand, not just straights
the clown is kinda only good if you need to reroll a lot Bcs even with both vouchers it reduces the prize of every reroll by 1 which can be good for seeded runs
I have near 200 hours and only 2 acheivements left but one of my most successful runs was running a negative super position and having 46 cards mainly containing a-10 straight with four fingers, and it was the weirdest most mind hurty build, i hate probabilty math for straight draw consistency... And idk straights are just too hard to make and too far to tune to make it work. If i wasnt getting strength cards to clean up my straights from the super position i would have been dead by ante 4
kinda feel like this is just a Joker in relation to High cards tier list, but you are undeniably knowledgeable of the game. Everyone has their playstyles that bias these lists. Also youre wrong about Red card lol
Overrated: Banner. On any blue stake or higher, that's giving you +60 chips for the price of not discarding. If the hand you play requires discarding even some of the time, it hugely falls off and is not good. It's not bad, but definitely not the second best chip joker. It only takes 4 rounds for the nerfed square joker to beat out its chip production. Same with runner if you're playing only 1 straight per round, and those also let you discard if you need to. It's chip production is honestly probably even worse than Blue Joker, and Blue Joker doesn't really have any requirements. Most importantly, it doesn't work with burglar, which is my favourite joker and is just great for high card builds which is where you would probably want the banner anyways. Even on lower stakes, I don't think it can compete with really any of the scaling chip jokers and shouldn't be a whole tier above blue joker. Underrated: Obelisk. Sure, it's not the greatest rare joker, and it doesn't work with supernova, but with all the other scaling mult jokers it works great with your high card build. If you've got high card played 35 times you can pretty easily switch to pair and build that Obelisk up all the way to x8 or even higher by just playing pair or whatever comes up. I pick it up a good chunk of the time, and it's pretty great whenever I can make (which really isn't that difficult). I like it a lot. Definitely not on the same tier as jimbo, def not worse than showman or bootstraps. Honorable mentions: Overrated: Hallucination - Three tiers above cartomancer and requires you to spend money on booster packs? It's good, but not S-tier good Mr. Bones - If you need Mr. Bones you're probably screwed anyways. If you're dying to a specific boss blind, then why is it so much better than Luchador? It also requires you to hit 25% of the chip count, which might not be possible if you're countered by a specific boss blind Glass Joker - If you have a lot of glass cards, you probably don't need a xmult joker. If you don't have a lot of glass cards, it's bad. I don't really want my glass cards to break anyways. It's sort of self-defeating Underrated: Red Card - It's not _that_ bad Cartomancer - You almost put it in above average, then you moved it next to 8 ball and said that it's a lot like like 8 ball, but it's soo much better than it. A free, guaranteed tarot every round, unlike 8 ball which requires you to play your 8s and get lucky. Unless you're buying every pack in the shop or have oops all sixes, cartomancer even beats out hallucination in tarot production on average Burglar Space Joker - How dare you? S++
Hanging Chad and Photograph might be the best combo in the game right now, because theyre both common, you can get one or both from riff raff, its so easy to get. And its absurd that it just gives X8 mult, have some base mult and it can go 100M score, for a 2 common joker combo. Its Triboulet at home, really
Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous at the moment. Scale up high card to level 10 and that's 80 mult right there or abuse it with faster scaling hands like straights.
I just don't find banner useful. You lose 1 discard pretty early on when going up stakes. At mid stakes most decks start with just 2 discards. Banner is also anti synergistic with a lot of other jokers.
Yeah I think the banner is placed too highly, also surprising placement since Z said he tends to use his discards. There are two synergies in the game in this regard tho, a bunch that encourage lots of discarding, and a group of others that encourage you to never discharge
Stencil joker is SUCH an interesting card, its value shoots ups considerably when you got 2 of them, because now its 4X at a minimum, and an INCREDIBLE 25X if you use them by themselves, Hell even playing 2 stencil on painted deck is a great idea for an X16 in my opinion. Just load up on planet levels and its VERY good Stencil also really benefits from other Xmults, on average, if you have another Xmult joker, it will increase the total Xmult instead of lower it, it does sound a bit counter intuitive at first.
I seriously disagree with Yorick being so low as far the legendaries go. The only one time I got him he got to x18 and I lucked out on two blueprints copying him. I might be biased because it is my current high score, but I can't see any other joker getting close to x18. Triboulet seems OK, but your deck needs to be built a very specific way for it to be comparable, while Yorick works on literally any deck. And Canio is of course okayish, but he is just a good economy joker, nowhere close to S-tier.
I get it, I just feel Yorick can not be helpful for just winning a run sometimes. I think you brought up really good points, and at this point in time I would change the tier list.
You're sleeping on red card. For me at least red card has saved multiple of my runs even with consolation and fortune teller in my build, standard packs aren't always useful, especially when you already have every card you need in your deck. On one of my first successful runs, I got a red card on ante 3, and by ante 5 I already had +18 Mult and ended the run with +54 Mult. This may just be me, but in my opinion, Baron belongs at the top of S tier not doble S.
The problem w/Rocket is that its mediocre until the end of the run, where an economy is less important. Usually I'm spending like a drunken sailor by ante 8, because I'm already setup. I blow a ton on rerolls just because there is nothing to spend money on.
i would say buss is better than supernva as its more flexible in a lot of ways, supernova can forexample not be used with obelisk and looses to no reapet hands boss, while buss can ignore those effects, same with green.
Straights builds are fun with the new planet scaling and runner but yeah it's probably not really the most optimal option. I have lost a few runs to just not being able to pull the number card i need, even when the deck is stacked heavily in my favor
19:45 that’s not correct. The next reroll cost is what chaos was replacing. As balatro university always says, it pays for your last reroll rather than your first one.
The Anti-space joker movement needs to end. I know I started it, but I've turned the corner, had my come to space moment, and I see the darkness of space.
Agreeing with this so far, but I have a quick question Why are you talking about early boss hard counters for half joker when all four of the suit based sinful jokers have that same issue as well?
Bloodstone should honestly be considered rare with how powerful it can be straight away, especially with all the jokers that can retrigger it. Not that I'm complaining with where it's at atm! And id honestly put Yorick in S teir, getting 23 discards with additional discard vouchers can get it scaling very, very quickly, and can scale much higher if it's acquired in earlier antes. But that's just my opinion!
@@ZainoTVLive fair enough, you do get a lot of chips anyway, I see it as pretty much half a Saturn whenever you play a straight as the mult of a planet card doesn’t normally matter as much
I had a weird run where I got an early spectral card where I could copy a joker, and I had some pretty poor jokers at the time, so I copied cloud nine. It basically became the equivalent of vagabond because now I have a very large incentive to create nines and I have all the money I could ever need to buy tarot cards, bought tarot merchant, made nines, enhanced nines, copied nines. Nine on its own isn't much to care about, but it's decent chips and then with 2 cloud nines I was earning 20 dollars every round on just my nines I made, and buffing my deck with chips and mult enhancements. Did replace the cloud nines once the score needed got big enough that I absolutely needed more multiplicative mult jokers, but... jebus that was an easy run. The game gets much easier when you have money to throw at problems. Doesn't solve all of them, but it's one of the best tools to solve most kinds of problems. Granted, you're not going to double cloud nine often, but if you do it early and also get your needed mult joker to go with it, you're set. I wouldn't have molded my deck into nines for one cloud nine card, but two? Suddenly S tier.
In what way is Cartomancer worse than Hallucination!? They have the same average tarot output, but hallucination requires you to buy both packs every shop? Which some economys can't afford. Cartomancer should definitely be, at the very least, above average tier.
So basically, if you carry two tarots into the round cartomancer gives you nothing. However, hallucination allows you to have those cards as you go into spectral/tarot packs and use them. I may need to make a video on this, but basically hallucination allows much more freedom, and also doubles output with an oops.
@@ZainoTVLive Well, you can't carry two tarots into a pack using hallucination, and just a synergy with oops shouldn't put it in S-tier while Cartomancer languishes in C-tier. They should be moved closer together in some way, and since tarot generation is amazing, Cartomancer should have been moved up, and maybe hallucination moved a little down. However, looking deeper into it myself, since hallucination can be bought, used in the shop, then sold before the round starts, there is an argument it's ONE tier above, but certainly not three, due to the cons I mentioned earlier.
Hiker works very well with splash. Play 5 cards in a high card build and all adds up every time. You get 20 chips per hand but it scales as the game goes on. You also the bonus stays so you can get rid of it to get a X mult joker later when you need to late ante. Downside is it does require playing many hands so you do get less economy.
Try it with rough gem and a diamond suit plus other scoring suit in the early game. Recommend specifically hearts or clubs as your scoring suit, as they have good synergy with the onyx agate or bloodstone jokers for late game, whereas spades has the arrowhead which is just more chips and you got your chips from hiker. The changing of the suit on the card won't erase the chips accumulated, and you can start turning your hearts or clubs into the scoring cards you need for late game with mult or glass or other enhancements. I like running a two or three suit build early and then folding those suits into each other, ending with one suit after I pass the boss blind that negates that suit. Diamonds aren't a late game suit because they only give econ rather than score, but I run diamonds alongside the suit I do intend to use late, and turn the diamonds into that suit. Mainly because rough gem exists. This, or the jokers that give you money for played hands/cards, allow you to use your hands to generate econ as opposed to your unused hands being econ. It's kind of a must for playing around hiker, because the best way to scale hiker is to use as many hands as possible, or have photograph or hanging chad or other retriggering jokers. But until you find those, I recommend a half diamond suit build and half whatever other suit you intend to use for late game build, and with hiker, I don't need more chips, so I don't recommend spades as the late scoring suit. This also leaves it open to pivot to clubs or hearts based on which jokers you get, since your diamond cards are going to pivot to another suit in the first place. You could also use smeared joker to essentially turn your entire diamond suit into hearts, or you can use wildcards to make them multiple suits at once. I find wildcards have their most utility if I actually dedicate my most useless base suit as the wildcard suit. I turn diamonds into wilds a lot, or spades, and then whatever is left in clubs or hearts if that's not my target suit in the end. I also find having a suit dedicated to not scoring and just utility to be great, for example, blue seals and steel enhancements, purple seals, gold enhancement, stone cards, whatever you need to use that otherwise turns the card into a not useful card to play for score, put them in the diamond suit. Copy it until your whole suit is nothing but utility. You can play it with rough gem for more econ, you can hold them in hand for more planet cards, you can discard them for more tarot cards, you can turn them into stone to play alongside other suits and ranks in a pair build or high card build... diamonds are the suit that you don't want to play for scoring purposes to begin with, but you can make the whole suit useful for econ and utility. Similarly, depending on my jokers if I am running any kind of suit build with flushes, flush five, flush house, all of the other three suits either get tarot turned into my scoring suit, or deleted, or turned into utility. I end up with 3 utility suits that have almost no cards in them, slowly getting consumed by my Prime suit, but there's no rush to turn their suit because I don't use those cards for scoring chips or mult anyway. I largely only turn their suit because I can get desperate for a fifth card in a suit sometimes, but it's only for emergencies at that point. Also, because you're playing one suit for scoring, all the bonuses for hiker are getting applied to the same smaller set of cards over and over. Hiker naturally wants you to play fewer cards, so I like hiker for specific rank builds like 3+ of a kind, and I build my deck around that, or I like hiker for specific suit builds like hearts or clubs or spades. In those cases, I always have a ton of diamond cards that are the wrong rank or suit to be played for score, and that's where I love to plop my blue seals, purple seals, gold enhancements, steel, though I do split it and put steels into my point suit as well so I can copy that card when I'm copying the correct suit and making more of it. But before I choose a point suit, I put steels on the king of diamonds or the queen of diamonds, I put blue seals on the king and queen of diamonds, I put gold enhancements and purple seals on the low card diamonds, and I put the gold seals on the ace of diamonds. That comes in handy when I change their suit to my scoring suit. It requires less moves. Ace of diamonds with the gold seal enhancement turns directly into my hanging chad ace for free money before I play my scoring hand, even after I change its suit. It already has a ton of chips, especially with hiker, meaning this can be my card I play to get chips while other ranks get played for mult, or other aces get played for mult. King of diamonds or queen of diamonds with the blue seal and steel enhancement don't need to ever change suit except for emergencies, and are the correct rank and quality to benefit from triboulet and baron and whatnot, or 1 strength away. They are also 1 tarot away from any suit I want. Low card diamonds with purple seals or gold seals or other random steels don't ever need to be any specific suit or rank, you discard them. Easy decisions being made here. Or I can make these cards into glass, assuming they are the correct rank if I am playing a rank based build, and then I don't play them and I start copying them. I tarot the glass 3 at a time, and then I start copying the glass of the correct suit, without it impacting my build. I can save the glass for later by enhancing the wrong suit with glass, allowing me to play the correct suit without glass. Utility suit. It's a great strategy. Utility ranks- kings and queens and jacks and 10s of your least played suit get the enhancements and seals that you want to play or hold, red seals, gold seals, blue seals, steels. Lower ranks that are not your scoring rank are where you put gold cards and purples. You glass the correct rank and copy it, and hopefully have a tarot to instantly change their suits since you have them in your hand since you just copied them. Oh, utility suit. I love it so much. Works GREAT with hiker and all flush builds and honestly, a lot of the time. It doesn't work well with things like pair builds and 3oak and 4oak without modifying the deck, since you need to be able to play all your suits in rank builds early, but once you start copying a specific card to score, it works. And it works great with all suit based scoring.
I don't play high card/pair that often. I mostly play straight, flush and 4/5 of a kind. I also don't do endless at all, unless it is for an achievement. I put Banner in D, Mime and Baron in C, Supernova in E, Bull D, Obelisk in A, Reserved Parking F. I think all of those are for the same 2 reasons. I don't play much high card/pair, and if I ever have a lot of money, I spend all or most of it. I think that if I played the game the same way you do, my list would be more or less the same. Considering how you play the game, your tier list makes sense.
Spare Trousers - Higher It scales twice as fast as Ride the Bus and Green Joker with no drawbacks Runner - Higher One of the fastest scaling chip jokers Delayed Grat - Way lower At higher ranks this is giving you $4 for never discarding while Gold Joker gives $4 with no drawbacks? Trash joker Parking Space/Business Card - Switch The chances of wanting to play face is higher than wanting to hold them. If you don't want to play them you'll probably want to discard them
The draw back is having to play a two pair, imo for spare trousers Then for business card. Face cards are my go-to to steel/gold. (Baron, shoot the moon, Midas and ride the buss all push for not playing them) I often hold them in hand much more than I play them.
@ZainoTVLive Playing two pair is less of a drawback imo than not being able to discard or play face cards. If you aren't discarding you're not playing better than two pair anyway and similar for the face cards with the added drawback of being in positions where you're out of discards and staring down a hand full of face cards. As for the face cards in hand v played. In decks where you want face cards in hand you're not usually leaving a hand full of upgraded face cards till late game when you wouldn't want an econ joker anyway. The business card gives you the econ to upgrade and build your deck to get there. You're probably not playing that many high card/pairs with a clutch of face cards for Reserved Parking early game unless you got some killer jokers early, and even then you'd rather have business card because it pays out at twice the rate and pops off on the higher volume of retrigger jokers
Red card is good if your econ is online and you aren’t playing on pre-patch gold stake. I think marble joker is actually pretty bad, I typically avoid adding cards and 50 chips just doesn’t cut it for me.
I'm only about a quarter through the video so far, and while I don't really disagree with any of your assessments so far, I will say that a Balatro tier list might do better with categories like "Good for early game, falls off quickly," "Good late in the right build," "Excellent at any point," "Worth building around before you even see it," etc.
Green joker above Constellation, Fibonacci, Hologram AND Fortune Teller is silly. Most of the time, Green isn't worth taking for most builds especially since you need to build it up, and it scales so slowly. Pick up Fortune and (as you said) you get minimum 15 mult flat. I don't want a joke that can betray me and sink down that isn't something like a food joker. Constellation is great for later antes since it scales so easily, and Fibonacci is great for retriggers. Green is highly overrated, almost useless and I never take it.
That recommendation for Superposition was awesome. It's one of my favorite common jokers but, like you said, it hard to consistently pull off for a utility joker.
Your opinion on Superposition is my exact opinion! Localthunk doesn't want jokers to have more than one effect, so it's unlikely we'll actually see that change, but if there is ever a mod that adds that effect to Superposition I will 100% use it with no shame. I just think as it is now, it is both bad and not particularly fun. If it had an effect that fundamentally changed the way you play the game, it would suddenly be fun even if it was still bad (though I think it having both effects would make it awesome.) I wouldn't mind if it just made straights wrap around and lost the tarot generation, yes it wouldn't be very good at that point, but at least the potential is there to have a fun Superposition build, whereas right now I don't think it's even fun if you somehow can manage to get it to go off consistently.
DNA is probably the most fun joker to use for me, as well as one of the most useful. I've just started to appreciate it as I get better at the game and learn to manipulate my deck more.
One of my best runs was based around some of your lower tier jokers, i had hack, two walkie talkies, and an even steven. Add some glass, some red seals and a dusk and its insane.
Great video. This is nit picky…but I think your “above average tier” is actually closer to your average tier if you count how many jokers are above and below it. Just a thought on when you make your next.
Jumping in to start some Obelisk discussion. I think its one of the most powerful Jokers for Gold Stake runs. You make some good points that it can be challenging to pilot, but it can singlehandedly turn a doomed run into a win & it can carry a player through Violet Vessel to the finish line. Of course you need to save up between 15-20 counts of most played hand (Flush, Two Pair, & Pair have all been effective options as the most played hand to save up). As long as you are careful to keep a low early count of High Card, you'll always be able to play a High card to get out of tricky situations later in the game. It sure can be challenging or tricky to pilot. Some games seeing Obelisk in the shop you might pause the game to draw up a gameplan about whether there's a effective path to leveling it up. Sure it requires a lot of careful attention But Overall, its saved so many miracle runs on Gold Stake that its right up there with Blackboard, Campfire, Baron etc as some of the most powerful Jokers for winning Ante 8 of Gold Stake.
Adding some more useful Obelisk notes: Often after picking up an Obelisk in Weeks 1-3, it can be beneficial to keep it at X1 while storing up more charges into your Most Played Hand. Similar to a old-school Vampire where you buy it early for its potential to snowball during the last three Antes 6-8. Like a young Vampire it can look weak during the first few rounds, but with good planning & patience it can grow into one of the strongest jokers for defeating Gold Stake Violet Vessel
on red card, I saw that video when trying to get the negative record, you skipped a lot... standard packs are more likely to be skipped than not (looking for purple seal, or that one or two specific red seals) planet packs can be easily be skipped if you don't get the appropriate planet to the hand you're working towards spectral packs are a toss up from what I've seen in general tarot packs you're more likely to use one of the cards than not, the 3 card ones can be a toss up, but you're more likely to get a tarot card than not... if you're buying the packs anyway, red card can scale relatively quickly and be used on blinds until 6 or 7... it's not that bad
Is there any way to view your tier list properly? It's a pain to view it in a video. I openned a link in a description but it's not your tier list there, it's just a page of all tier lists for this game made by god-knows-who. Every tier list is different. Idk how to find yours or any other good one?
It's still very relevant to consoles as the changes were not massive. The only ones I think has huge differences in rankings would be 8 ball & vampire. Bloodstone would be one tier lower as well!
@@joelh2286 Yes, you can get into the e20s on most normal decks with just baron/mime, res stamped steel kings. Once you add Blueprint and brainstorm it skyrockets.
Im here to try and bargain lucky cat up a tier. Although its a little hard to start up, needing lucky cards and, well, luck, the payoff is INSANE. Think about it, you built your deck around lucky cards, which gives higher mult than a lot of common jokers AND builds your economy for free, making finding synergy and more magicians easier. Speaking of synergy, literally almost anything. Because the cat is entirely self contained into lucky cards, you can work it into other builds like baron and shoot the moon, as well as hack if you play your cards right. As well as those other cards, you can play any hand and it just works, and it works amazingly if you choose to build the deck around it. In conclusion lucky cat is a versatile, somewhat consistent economy generator, that has some amazing mult from just a few tarots.
the only thing obelisk is good at is "saving" lower stake runs by letting you pivot to a different hand type to focus on, and even then it has an extremely hard ceiling and can never take you into endless at all. It being a rare is the final nail for me, I would def put it in F but maybe I'm just mean lol
I’m down on Supernova but it seems like the only additive mult scaler that is fine with a Perishable or Rental sticker. Fortune Teller is good too but it’s a win-more: If you have 20 mult from it, you have 20 Arcana cards of value already.
I apologize, I could have edited in the new information I just do not have enough time with my current schedule to do it. I tried to clarify audibly in the video all differences though.
Something odd about Shortcut is that it also lets you make straight flushes and flush houses even if your flush only has 4 matching suits. It's really weird to get into the mindset to use it that way because of how unintuitive it is, but it's a nice bonus. It might also let you do flush fives with 4 of a suit + 1, but I didn't get the opportunity to try.
@@ZainoTVLive Maybe? I found it out yesterday while I was playing but my runs as a whole are a blur because of how similar a bunch of them ended up being. It'd make more sense if it was 4 fingers now that you say it though, a bunch of my runs had either or both.
@realityisenough The things that have to fall into place for that to happen are extremely unlikely. If 90% of the time a gold joker is better then it's just the better card. If you're on white stake with both discard vouchers and ramen then sure, but most jokers pop off on white stake so that's hardly relevant
What Joker did I overrate the most and which joker did I underrate the most?!
I like red card honestly, if you have a good to decent economy it scales faster than things like bus/green joker in exchange for costing more money (and personally i think its really funny to get a red card to a high mult value)
definitely still not good but it has been a big part of a few of my mid stake runs (now that orange stake is changed, its not useless in orange/gold), definitely not unusable
you did half joker dirty. it should be at least similar to banner.
@@leiz8048 yea red card gets pretty high. u just need good economy
Overrated: Supernova. From my experience, Supernova is only slightly better than Green Joker/Ride The Bus.
Underrated: Riff Raff might be 2 tiers too low. Getting Riff Raff early is an auto buy because it’s busted.
Sock and Buskin being in S-tier (which I agree with) while Hack is in C-tier is absolutely crazy to me. Hack is Sock and Buskin without having to worry about the Plant boss. Both of my highest scoring runs (e105 on plasma, e58 on ghost) were with Hack/Idol builds.
i don't care how good obelisk is in theory, you can't make me use it
if a challenge forces it onto me, it's a 4 joker slot challenge
LOL
I just won my first gold stake run using obelisk on green deck. I was shocked because it was probably my least played joker before that. But man, ride the bus transitions into it really well.... getting a blueprint on the obelisk didn't hurt either.
@@soctopus1092 tbh i don't doubt it's power, it just doesn't sound fun to play that way
to those of you who make it work, more power to you
The worst thing about Obelisk is that it's just not sustainable. At some point, your second most played hand will catch up to your most played hand, then your third, and so on, until you're forced to reset Obelisk. To make it last until the end of the run, you gotta go all in on one hand, then abruptly switch from it. It can work, but it just isn't fun having to check all the time whether or not the hand you're about to play is tied for most played hand, and you being bound to sell that Rare Joker with a bazillion mult at some point really hurts.
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic563 Obelisk's Advocate, if you can manage to make a build that doesn't crumble the second you stop playing one or two hand types you'll probably run out of rounds to play before you're really forced to screw yourself like that, especially if you're skipping a bit more aggressively to help that along.
doesn't mean I want to play it, still. But I can at least see how you'd survive if you are willing to put up with it. But yeah if you're going past Ante 8 it's purely temporary.
I just won my first gold stake run while listening to this in the background and did it with Obelisk strangely enough, was doing high card build and just pivoted to pairs/anything else. It was clunky though, I was forced to reset it once and barely got it built up enough again to scrape by the final boss blind. but it has moved up in the tier list of my heart!
That's pretty funny timing. +1 to obelisk
Red card has to become an X mult card
Red card is nowhere near the worst in the game lol, theres not very many ways to gain 6 mult per shop early game, get your economy sorted early game and red card does big work
Jimbo is way underrated, just because he’s $2. If you’re ever not at 5 jokers he’s a snap pick for me, 4 unconditional mult stays relevant as far as ante 3-5 especially if you have a chip joker
Right! Jimbo can make the early and mid game a lot easier, 4 mult isn't crazy but it's still 4 mult and you don't have to do anything fancy for it
with ghost deck you can hex it in ante 1 and save a lot for interest from there
i found a nice interaction with credit card, when you use the credit card joker and you open a spectral pack, if you take the rare joker it resets your money at 0$ even if you are -20$
Wraith is a get out of debt card which is beautiful
I'd like to complain about Canio, not because he did anything wrong, but because every time I've gotten him, I never get to see his pal Hanged Man.
It's ridiculously true.
I recently picked up Canio while having the joker that destroys a card for 3$... then instantly getting that joker that copies mult... ended up with x11 mult two times and hit my personal best (still less than a billion, but good for me :3 )
@@realityisenough Gosh, I wish that were me.
One of my first successful runs was with Canio + Trading Card + Pareidolia. That was fun.
I have way better luck playing Canio as if he were Glass Joker. lol
If there's one specific Tarot card I need to make a build come together, it just peaces out for the next dozen rounds.
And if that one thing I need is an uncommon joker, it might as well not exist.
Oh man, I think you're underrating Riff-Raff. On the higher stakes, it's *incredible*, as the jokers it gives can't have stickers. But even on the lower stakes, it can let you assemble some really strong common jokers. I often joke that Riff-Raff is a "banana generator", but I think it really is. It can also set you up with supernova, hanging chad, or whatever you need really.
Speaking of hanging chad....I think it could straight-up be S. It's synergy with Glass card + photograph is 64x mult! And it's so easy to assemble!
As for the one I disagree with most...wow, I think Troubadour is garbage. It costs you money for every round you have it. I really don't think it's ever worth taking, I would rather just have an extra hand + a joker slot rather than the hand size. It's hypersituational at best.
Finally, I would personally move up Pants and hologram, I think both are basically a win, in the long term. But yeah, besides that, fantastic tier list :)
I FORGOT THEY DONT HAVE STICKERS UGHHHH. Riff Raff is S-Tier right now.
In response to troub, I often have an extra gold card in hand when taking him so it's +econ.
Jumping in to add some cheers in support of Riff-Raff. A early Riff-Raff from one of the first 3 shops has rescued me on countless occassions on Gold Stake runs. There are so many runs with Riff-Raff gives you 2 of your favorite chip/mult jokers during the first few rounds. Of course during the late game we always have to wish our Riff-Raff a teary-eyed goodbye before Ante 8. But we'll always have fond memories of all of the gifts Riff-Raff shared with us before it departed to the clouds.
Raising a goblet to share a heartfelt toast for Riff-Raff!
@@ZainoTVLive Well, if you only have one one gold card, then you're only gaining $2 a round. Not great.
As someone who kept passing on Troubadour because of -1 hand then took it on a whim due to being negative, it’s not garbage. Yes it costs econ but the extra space for gold/steel cards or even to get the extra discarded card(s) in when you’re fishing for a hand can be much more valuable than the $1. It’s not something that I’d take on any run but when I’m pushing for consistent 4+ card hands or held card triggers, I’ll grab it.
It can also be a savior early game when you just want to survive, I’ve been burned far too often needing to dump a card that I drew the second or third copy of when fishing for a full house or straight to survive.
Notable about Raised Fist: It works with steel cards! If you have a steel 10, steel 9, steel 8 and a 7 as your last cards in hand if you move the 7 to the leftmost of the hand then you get the +14 mult from the 7 before the steel cards trigger
Yep, same with shoot the moon
Very amateur comment from me, but regarding Madness, here's how I use it. I don't buy it late, I only ever buy it early. Get it up to those wacky levels of X mult, and get your economy going through gold cards, gold seals, high scoring hands you don't have to play over and over such as flush and above, utilize the extra money you're getting from not buying jokers to focus on improving your cards. Bonus cards, mult cards, polychrome obviously, steel cards, stone cards, doesn't matter. Make your cards pull the duty of those missing jokers, and you can afford to do so. All your economy is going into your deck itself. This guy keeps you alive through most of the antes before the ante 8 boss all by himself, but at a certain point this always happens:
1. You're swimming in cash, your economy sustains itself through gold cards and gold seals, hands played, and payouts from blinds, and interest. You have so much money you buy everything in the shop just on the chance of it helping you. Assuming you made a gold card or two or used a gold seal card a few times, you're easily fine. You spent a little on planets but you're not trying to get to level 20 hands here, you just don't want to be on level 1.
2. Your deck is brilliant and also suited to the type of hand you'd prefer to play, so you don't need to sink further money into tarot cards either.
3. You already have whatever vouchers you want.
4. You're not going to proceed further on madness alone.
But it did carry you all the way to this point, easily. Now, buy all your jokers. We don't bother making them negative or enhancing them for obvious reasons.
We get common chip and mult jokers only. We don't need additional x mult, we just want good base chips and mult jokers, our cards plus madness does the rest.
Yes madness will eat one of your jokers. That joker is trivially easy to replace. You not only have the money to replace it, you can reroll until you find something just as good or better.
So now you have 4 jokers that boost your mult and chips, you have a deck full of cards that boost your mult and chips. You have a hand that plays easily and scores well, and you have all the x mult you could ever desire.
The only micro is buying a replacement joker every shop, which is as difficult as clicking a button 1-3 times. Madness is good to win runs. It might not be good for high scores and post game runs without eternal jokers, but it is all the X mult necessary to win all by itself when bought early enough.
It needs the time to scale up to the double digits of multiplicative mult, and you need the time to build your deck out and your economy up to sustain buying common jokers every shop. It might not work well with low scoring small hands that typically get boosted by mult and chip jokers, or by space joker or burnt joker. But it can carry any mid-scoring hand and above to victory, when it starts running out of gas, give it helper jokers. It will eat them, but carry you to victory with their help.
You get eternal jokers and you can buy it late. You have a great economy and you don't have super powerful, negative, or jokers with editions that you mind losing, and he's a pretty solid joker regardless of timing. But he really shines the earlier you get him, before you've spent 50+ dollars on other jokers and several antes have gone by. You spend less on jokers in general until the time comes, allowing you the cash to do everything else that grants you permanent effects that madness doesn't eat- tarot cards, spectral cards, mult and bonus and other enhancements, planet cards, vouchers.
Don't skip blinds, is all.
Madness helped me beat some stakes and certain decks that were giving me trouble. It appeared early and I know what to do. You almost don't have to think.
I really want to try and doing a run like this. I see the vision, but like I mentioned in the video it's not an easy pilot and there are simpler ways to win.
However, this sounds like fun and great content.
I still don’t know how to feel about the placement of hallucination. It only giving 1 random tarot on average for 2 packs (2 max) and needing a good economy to maximize that potential is just too much to have it that high. It’s definitely not on power with the rest of the cards I see in its tier.
I think it goes very well with a BP/Brainstorm compared to economy jokers that can't be copied & getting tarots from something I do most shops anyway is really nice.
At the same time I tend to agree, maybe needs to be a tier lower when you look at the jokers around it.
@@ZainoTVLive what makes it a little bit better is that its a "shop joker" - you dont have to play a round with it for it to score - less opportunity cost.
It can be a useful move to buy it, buy 2 packs, sell it (if you find a better joker) - getting a different joker from the packs then also is nice
Yah way too high for that one. It doesn’t help you score and you have to buy packs to maybe get the benefit of it. It’s fine but it’s closer to average than it is to very good
Hallucinations have very strong synergy and have high potential. However since it’s rng dependent it’s still relatively hard to rate. I would put it mid-high A tier still.
I really wish people would actually put these tier lists in the description so you can look at the whole thing on your own after watching the video.
Sometimes I don’t even watch a tier list video that’s long if it doesn’t have a link or listing of it.
I love tier list content. When I'm thinking about a joker, I consider how likely it is to help me in my current situation and the long term. Certain jokers, like Jimbo the basic joker, are basically ante 1 fodder. Super cheap, and the thing you need most at the time is mult. It does its job at a minimal impact to your economy, and you can always afford it even if you struggle and use all your hands early ante 1.
It's obviously one of the weakest jokers the later into the game you go, but it keeps you alive long enough to see enough shops where you replace him. Which means he's strictly early game material, but often pretty solid, and he applies to every scoring hand. Other jokers seem better but are more expensive, don't trigger on every hand, rely on specific situations to trigger, or take up space in the shop when the first joker I ever look for is an additive mult joker.
He's a lot like those tarot cards you buy to immediately sell for a profit, or the economy jokers you don't buy for long term. They are strictly transactional jokers that aren't a part of your "happily ever after" endgame joker set, but they perform a vital function getting your economy or score up temporarily, early, when you're struggling more due to RNG.
Honestly, as weak as old Jimbo is, I've had so many runs on the upper stakes where I keep playing and dying because the early shops had no mult jokers in them and I couldnt afford to keep rerolling. Even he could have saved those runs, and helped where dozens of other jokers absolutely did not help early on.
If you rate only their effectiveness come endgame or post ante 8, he's garbage. You also don't like seeing him in the shop taking up space when you no longer need him, which is quickly. Most other plus mult jokers are much better, too. But he's reliable plus mult for the era of the game where you die if you don't get him, and he applies every hand every time. He's like an old beat up but reliable starter vehicle. He's not pretty but he gets you to work on time. You don't keep him forever but you earn what you need to replace him pretty reliably, which means he's often a good, if short, investment.
I can't say I've ever regretted buying him. There are a lot of other jokers that turned out to be a waste of money and opportunity.
Fair enough argument, but since it still pops up in the shop I take that into account..like x percentage of time I would buy and use this joker as well as how often id use it over another joker.
Before the patch, red card is untakable at orange/gold stake, because packs were untakable. But its genuinely a good joker. So many buffoon, standard, and celestial packs contribute nothing to your run, either by offering you bad cards, planets for hands you're not making, or (since rental and perishable stickers are a thing now) sticker'd jokers that suck. Skip them and get +3 mult. It may seem like you're giving up too much for the mult, but there just aren't that many jokers that can give 30 or 40 mult for one slot. Also, you don't HAVE to skip; if the pack offers something better, take it. But surprisingly many pack picks are worse than a flat +3 mult, scaling and cramming into a single joker slot.
I love that all the jokers that work when played hand "contains a two pair" or something like that also work when you play full houses or other hands in general.
That means full houses activate jokers for pairs, two pairs, and three of a kinds.
They don't always. They usually work when you think they would but it's not entirely consistent.
@@pumpkinpartysystem If the description says "contains a hand" instead of "is a hand", then it'll work.
I'd like to point out something about Red Card that you might not have considered, because in my opinion it's far from F tier. Bootstraps is in D tier, but these two Jokers basically serve the same purpose: turning your econ into flat mult. Red Card has the significant advantage of being able to give you mult and let you spend your money at the same time, whereas Bootstraps requires you to keep the money without spending it, or its mult plummets. Additionally, Red Card can scale faster and it's more efficient, not only because it gets +3 mult instead of +2, but also because of the existence of cheaper $4 packs and the ability to get the discount vouchers, making them even cheaper. Also, if you happen to come across a particularly good card in your packs, you can still pick it if you think it's worth more than 3 mult, not to mention that Mega packs allow you to pick a card and then still skip to get the Red Card benefit. Overall, I think Red card is a better version of Bootstraps, but it often gets low placements in these tier lists because psychologically it feels bad to use, as skips are seen as "wasted" money. It's far from the best flat mult joker in the game, but I feel like it's being severely underutilized by most players. Let me know your thoughts!
Great point,, I think this is the most convincing argument I've heard
I had a pretty good run with Red myself by taking advantage of what you're talking about with the 2-packs where you can take one and skip one and still get the buff. And if a one-pack is full of duds (as it often is) it's a nice consolation prize to just skip and get your Red buffed. It's not a joker I'm taking every time, but it does have its uses especially when you're in dire need of some + mult.
I've been in a few scenarios where the game has practically forced me into taking Red card. I've seen how strong it can be, but even still it's so painful to play around that it's something I really only take out of desperation.
But at the very least it's, A: not conditional with the cards you play, and B: doesn't reset or diminish if you choose not to scale it. Those factors alone are enough to put it above a lot of the +mult scaling jokers, as it's not something you need to ditch immediately if you start pivoting your build.
Runner is underrated imo since you can play straights just to level it up then use it as a solid chip joker for other builds
Good point, I underrated it. One of the immediate regrets watching next day.
Notably, Runner is one of the fastest scaling chip jokers
Do you really need runner when a single saturn gives a WHOPPING 30 chips? No, no you dont
@@AllineVayn A single saturn is 30 chips. You can technically add more than that in a single ante with Runner. Also it adds those chips to any hand, not just straights
the clown is kinda only good if you need to reroll a lot Bcs even with both vouchers it reduces the prize of every reroll by 1 which can be good for seeded runs
I have near 200 hours and only 2 acheivements left but one of my most successful runs was running a negative super position and having 46 cards mainly containing a-10 straight with four fingers, and it was the weirdest most mind hurty build, i hate probabilty math for straight draw consistency... And idk straights are just too hard to make and too far to tune to make it work. If i wasnt getting strength cards to clean up my straights from the super position i would have been dead by ante 4
Merry Andy is the king of the no-discard build
Green joker, Banner, Delayed Gratification, Ramen, and Merry Andy.
Hmmm I see
Merry Andy also enables some really strong options for builds that like discard spam, such as Castle, Rebate, and Faceless.
kinda feel like this is just a Joker in relation to High cards tier list, but you are undeniably knowledgeable of the game. Everyone has their playstyles that bias these lists. Also youre wrong about Red card lol
Overrated: Banner. On any blue stake or higher, that's giving you +60 chips for the price of not discarding. If the hand you play requires discarding even some of the time, it hugely falls off and is not good. It's not bad, but definitely not the second best chip joker. It only takes 4 rounds for the nerfed square joker to beat out its chip production. Same with runner if you're playing only 1 straight per round, and those also let you discard if you need to. It's chip production is honestly probably even worse than Blue Joker, and Blue Joker doesn't really have any requirements. Most importantly, it doesn't work with burglar, which is my favourite joker and is just great for high card builds which is where you would probably want the banner anyways. Even on lower stakes, I don't think it can compete with really any of the scaling chip jokers and shouldn't be a whole tier above blue joker.
Underrated: Obelisk. Sure, it's not the greatest rare joker, and it doesn't work with supernova, but with all the other scaling mult jokers it works great with your high card build. If you've got high card played 35 times you can pretty easily switch to pair and build that Obelisk up all the way to x8 or even higher by just playing pair or whatever comes up. I pick it up a good chunk of the time, and it's pretty great whenever I can make (which really isn't that difficult). I like it a lot. Definitely not on the same tier as jimbo, def not worse than showman or bootstraps.
Honorable mentions:
Overrated:
Hallucination - Three tiers above cartomancer and requires you to spend money on booster packs? It's good, but not S-tier good
Mr. Bones - If you need Mr. Bones you're probably screwed anyways. If you're dying to a specific boss blind, then why is it so much better than Luchador? It also requires you to hit 25% of the chip count, which might not be possible if you're countered by a specific boss blind
Glass Joker - If you have a lot of glass cards, you probably don't need a xmult joker. If you don't have a lot of glass cards, it's bad. I don't really want my glass cards to break anyways. It's sort of self-defeating
Underrated:
Red Card - It's not _that_ bad
Cartomancer - You almost put it in above average, then you moved it next to 8 ball and said that it's a lot like like 8 ball, but it's soo much better than it. A free, guaranteed tarot every round, unlike 8 ball which requires you to play your 8s and get lucky. Unless you're buying every pack in the shop or have oops all sixes, cartomancer even beats out hallucination in tarot production on average
Burglar
Space Joker - How dare you? S++
Hanging Chad and Photograph might be the best combo in the game right now, because theyre both common, you can get one or both from riff raff, its so easy to get. And its absurd that it just gives X8 mult, have some base mult and it can go 100M score, for a 2 common joker combo. Its Triboulet at home, really
Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous at the moment. Scale up high card to level 10 and that's 80 mult right there or abuse it with faster scaling hands like straights.
I just don't find banner useful. You lose 1 discard pretty early on when going up stakes. At mid stakes most decks start with just 2 discards. Banner is also anti synergistic with a lot of other jokers.
Yeah I think the banner is placed too highly, also surprising placement since Z said he tends to use his discards.
There are two synergies in the game in this regard tho, a bunch that encourage lots of discarding, and a group of others that encourage you to never discharge
Stencil joker is SUCH an interesting card, its value shoots ups considerably when you got 2 of them, because now its 4X at a minimum, and an INCREDIBLE 25X if you use them by themselves, Hell even playing 2 stencil on painted deck is a great idea for an X16 in my opinion. Just load up on planet levels and its VERY good
Stencil also really benefits from other Xmults, on average, if you have another Xmult joker, it will increase the total Xmult instead of lower it, it does sound a bit counter intuitive at first.
Exactly, it's a fantastic card for an ankh or invis joker!
I seriously disagree with Yorick being so low as far the legendaries go. The only one time I got him he got to x18 and I lucked out on two blueprints copying him. I might be biased because it is my current high score, but I can't see any other joker getting close to x18. Triboulet seems OK, but your deck needs to be built a very specific way for it to be comparable, while Yorick works on literally any deck. And Canio is of course okayish, but he is just a good economy joker, nowhere close to S-tier.
I get it, I just feel Yorick can not be helpful for just winning a run sometimes. I think you brought up really good points, and at this point in time I would change the tier list.
Finally justice for supernova 😂
You're sleeping on red card. For me at least red card has saved multiple of my runs even with consolation and fortune teller in my build, standard packs aren't always useful, especially when you already have every card you need in your deck. On one of my first successful runs, I got a red card on ante 3, and by ante 5 I already had +18 Mult and ended the run with +54 Mult.
This may just be me, but in my opinion, Baron belongs at the top of S tier not doble S.
The problem w/Rocket is that its mediocre until the end of the run, where an economy is less important. Usually I'm spending like a drunken sailor by ante 8, because I'm already setup. I blow a ton on rerolls just because there is nothing to spend money on.
i would say buss is better than supernva as its more flexible in a lot of ways, supernova can forexample not be used with obelisk and looses to no reapet hands boss, while buss can ignore those effects, same with green.
Straights builds are fun with the new planet scaling and runner but yeah it's probably not really the most optimal option. I have lost a few runs to just not being able to pull the number card i need, even when the deck is stacked heavily in my favor
Feel like loyalty card is underrated here. I know it's inconsistent by nature, but manipulation to get it on boss blinds is nice
Woah woah woah straight slander is too much zaino I've had so much luck climbing the ladder and getting my gold stakes done with straight builds
It's much better now, still hate playing them.
Just an FYI it is pronounced "Gro Michel". The S is silent. It's a French word. Gros means Big in French.
I knew this but my disrespect for the French language knows no bounds
19:45 that’s not correct. The next reroll cost is what chaos was replacing. As balatro university always says, it pays for your last reroll rather than your first one.
Sure, but if I'm not doing a high scoring run, I'm not rolling past a few regardless. I worded it incorrectly
Disgusting Space Joker propaganda
The Anti-space joker movement needs to end. I know I started it, but I've turned the corner, had my come to space moment, and I see the darkness of space.
I hope he reverts Vampire and Gros Michel back to what they were, when the patch is released.
Imo gros michel is still fine, but yeah vampire got neutered
Agreeing with this so far, but I have a quick question
Why are you talking about early boss hard counters for half joker when all four of the suit based sinful jokers have that same issue as well?
Good point, it's just as hard of a counter, I think they're equal I just forgot to speak to it.
Bloodstone should honestly be considered rare with how powerful it can be straight away, especially with all the jokers that can retrigger it. Not that I'm complaining with where it's at atm!
And id honestly put Yorick in S teir, getting 23 discards with additional discard vouchers can get it scaling very, very quickly, and can scale much higher if it's acquired in earlier antes. But that's just my opinion!
Even tho straight builds are good now i still do not consider devius good there are just better options
Runner is really low here, do you still agree with that?
I do, personally. Just don't think its needed in a straight build
@@ZainoTVLive fair enough, you do get a lot of chips anyway, I see it as pretty much half a Saturn whenever you play a straight as the mult of a planet card doesn’t normally matter as much
Burgler also circumvents The Needle!
Damn am I tripping? I love Red card! I got it up to 80+ went to 11 ante it’s a solid card
Im a hater compared to most people.
doesn't mattador trigger once per hand? i don't think it makes $32 if you one shot the blind
I think its per card on the debuff cards
I had a weird run where I got an early spectral card where I could copy a joker, and I had some pretty poor jokers at the time, so I copied cloud nine.
It basically became the equivalent of vagabond because now I have a very large incentive to create nines and I have all the money I could ever need to buy tarot cards, bought tarot merchant, made nines, enhanced nines, copied nines.
Nine on its own isn't much to care about, but it's decent chips and then with 2 cloud nines I was earning 20 dollars every round on just my nines I made, and buffing my deck with chips and mult enhancements. Did replace the cloud nines once the score needed got big enough that I absolutely needed more multiplicative mult jokers, but... jebus that was an easy run.
The game gets much easier when you have money to throw at problems. Doesn't solve all of them, but it's one of the best tools to solve most kinds of problems.
Granted, you're not going to double cloud nine often, but if you do it early and also get your needed mult joker to go with it, you're set. I wouldn't have molded my deck into nines for one cloud nine card, but two? Suddenly S tier.
In what way is Cartomancer worse than Hallucination!? They have the same average tarot output, but hallucination requires you to buy both packs every shop? Which some economys can't afford. Cartomancer should definitely be, at the very least, above average tier.
So basically, if you carry two tarots into the round cartomancer gives you nothing. However, hallucination allows you to have those cards as you go into spectral/tarot packs and use them. I may need to make a video on this, but basically hallucination allows much more freedom, and also doubles output with an oops.
@@ZainoTVLive Well, you can't carry two tarots into a pack using hallucination, and just a synergy with oops shouldn't put it in S-tier while Cartomancer languishes in C-tier. They should be moved closer together in some way, and since tarot generation is amazing, Cartomancer should have been moved up, and maybe hallucination moved a little down. However, looking deeper into it myself, since hallucination can be bought, used in the shop, then sold before the round starts, there is an argument it's ONE tier above, but certainly not three, due to the cons I mentioned earlier.
Hiker works very well with splash. Play 5 cards in a high card build and all adds up every time. You get 20 chips per hand but it scales as the game goes on. You also the bonus stays so you can get rid of it to get a X mult joker later when you need to late ante. Downside is it does require playing many hands so you do get less economy.
Try it with rough gem and a diamond suit plus other scoring suit in the early game. Recommend specifically hearts or clubs as your scoring suit, as they have good synergy with the onyx agate or bloodstone jokers for late game, whereas spades has the arrowhead which is just more chips and you got your chips from hiker. The changing of the suit on the card won't erase the chips accumulated, and you can start turning your hearts or clubs into the scoring cards you need for late game with mult or glass or other enhancements. I like running a two or three suit build early and then folding those suits into each other, ending with one suit after I pass the boss blind that negates that suit.
Diamonds aren't a late game suit because they only give econ rather than score, but I run diamonds alongside the suit I do intend to use late, and turn the diamonds into that suit. Mainly because rough gem exists. This, or the jokers that give you money for played hands/cards, allow you to use your hands to generate econ as opposed to your unused hands being econ.
It's kind of a must for playing around hiker, because the best way to scale hiker is to use as many hands as possible, or have photograph or hanging chad or other retriggering jokers. But until you find those, I recommend a half diamond suit build and half whatever other suit you intend to use for late game build, and with hiker, I don't need more chips, so I don't recommend spades as the late scoring suit.
This also leaves it open to pivot to clubs or hearts based on which jokers you get, since your diamond cards are going to pivot to another suit in the first place.
You could also use smeared joker to essentially turn your entire diamond suit into hearts, or you can use wildcards to make them multiple suits at once. I find wildcards have their most utility if I actually dedicate my most useless base suit as the wildcard suit. I turn diamonds into wilds a lot, or spades, and then whatever is left in clubs or hearts if that's not my target suit in the end.
I also find having a suit dedicated to not scoring and just utility to be great, for example, blue seals and steel enhancements, purple seals, gold enhancement, stone cards, whatever you need to use that otherwise turns the card into a not useful card to play for score, put them in the diamond suit. Copy it until your whole suit is nothing but utility. You can play it with rough gem for more econ, you can hold them in hand for more planet cards, you can discard them for more tarot cards, you can turn them into stone to play alongside other suits and ranks in a pair build or high card build... diamonds are the suit that you don't want to play for scoring purposes to begin with, but you can make the whole suit useful for econ and utility.
Similarly, depending on my jokers if I am running any kind of suit build with flushes, flush five, flush house, all of the other three suits either get tarot turned into my scoring suit, or deleted, or turned into utility. I end up with 3 utility suits that have almost no cards in them, slowly getting consumed by my Prime suit, but there's no rush to turn their suit because I don't use those cards for scoring chips or mult anyway. I largely only turn their suit because I can get desperate for a fifth card in a suit sometimes, but it's only for emergencies at that point.
Also, because you're playing one suit for scoring, all the bonuses for hiker are getting applied to the same smaller set of cards over and over. Hiker naturally wants you to play fewer cards, so I like hiker for specific rank builds like 3+ of a kind, and I build my deck around that, or I like hiker for specific suit builds like hearts or clubs or spades.
In those cases, I always have a ton of diamond cards that are the wrong rank or suit to be played for score, and that's where I love to plop my blue seals, purple seals, gold enhancements, steel, though I do split it and put steels into my point suit as well so I can copy that card when I'm copying the correct suit and making more of it. But before I choose a point suit, I put steels on the king of diamonds or the queen of diamonds, I put blue seals on the king and queen of diamonds, I put gold enhancements and purple seals on the low card diamonds, and I put the gold seals on the ace of diamonds. That comes in handy when I change their suit to my scoring suit.
It requires less moves. Ace of diamonds with the gold seal enhancement turns directly into my hanging chad ace for free money before I play my scoring hand, even after I change its suit. It already has a ton of chips, especially with hiker, meaning this can be my card I play to get chips while other ranks get played for mult, or other aces get played for mult.
King of diamonds or queen of diamonds with the blue seal and steel enhancement don't need to ever change suit except for emergencies, and are the correct rank and quality to benefit from triboulet and baron and whatnot, or 1 strength away. They are also 1 tarot away from any suit I want.
Low card diamonds with purple seals or gold seals or other random steels don't ever need to be any specific suit or rank, you discard them. Easy decisions being made here.
Or I can make these cards into glass, assuming they are the correct rank if I am playing a rank based build, and then I don't play them and I start copying them. I tarot the glass 3 at a time, and then I start copying the glass of the correct suit, without it impacting my build. I can save the glass for later by enhancing the wrong suit with glass, allowing me to play the correct suit without glass.
Utility suit. It's a great strategy. Utility ranks- kings and queens and jacks and 10s of your least played suit get the enhancements and seals that you want to play or hold, red seals, gold seals, blue seals, steels. Lower ranks that are not your scoring rank are where you put gold cards and purples. You glass the correct rank and copy it, and hopefully have a tarot to instantly change their suits since you have them in your hand since you just copied them.
Oh, utility suit. I love it so much. Works GREAT with hiker and all flush builds and honestly, a lot of the time.
It doesn't work well with things like pair builds and 3oak and 4oak without modifying the deck, since you need to be able to play all your suits in rank builds early, but once you start copying a specific card to score, it works. And it works great with all suit based scoring.
RTGame actually has the best hack seed i have seen
I don't play high card/pair that often. I mostly play straight, flush and 4/5 of a kind. I also don't do endless at all, unless it is for an achievement.
I put Banner in D, Mime and Baron in C, Supernova in E, Bull D, Obelisk in A, Reserved Parking F. I think all of those are for the same 2 reasons. I don't play much high card/pair, and if I ever have a lot of money, I spend all or most of it. I think that if I played the game the same way you do, my list would be more or less the same. Considering how you play the game, your tier list makes sense.
Thats really interesting! fair enough
Spare Trousers - Higher
It scales twice as fast as Ride the Bus and Green Joker with no drawbacks
Runner - Higher
One of the fastest scaling chip jokers
Delayed Grat - Way lower
At higher ranks this is giving you $4 for never discarding while Gold Joker gives $4 with no drawbacks? Trash joker
Parking Space/Business Card - Switch
The chances of wanting to play face is higher than wanting to hold them. If you don't want to play them you'll probably want to discard them
The draw back is having to play a two pair, imo for spare trousers
Then for business card. Face cards are my go-to to steel/gold. (Baron, shoot the moon, Midas and ride the buss all push for not playing them) I often hold them in hand much more than I play them.
@ZainoTVLive Playing two pair is less of a drawback imo than not being able to discard or play face cards. If you aren't discarding you're not playing better than two pair anyway and similar for the face cards with the added drawback of being in positions where you're out of discards and staring down a hand full of face cards.
As for the face cards in hand v played. In decks where you want face cards in hand you're not usually leaving a hand full of upgraded face cards till late game when you wouldn't want an econ joker anyway. The business card gives you the econ to upgrade and build your deck to get there. You're probably not playing that many high card/pairs with a clutch of face cards for Reserved Parking early game unless you got some killer jokers early, and even then you'd rather have business card because it pays out at twice the rate and pops off on the higher volume of retrigger jokers
Red card is good if your econ is online and you aren’t playing on pre-patch gold stake. I think marble joker is actually pretty bad, I typically avoid adding cards and 50 chips just doesn’t cut it for me.
I'm only about a quarter through the video so far, and while I don't really disagree with any of your assessments so far, I will say that a Balatro tier list might do better with categories like "Good for early game, falls off quickly," "Good late in the right build," "Excellent at any point," "Worth building around before you even see it," etc.
20 chips is 20 chips
Green joker above Constellation, Fibonacci, Hologram AND Fortune Teller is silly. Most of the time, Green isn't worth taking for most builds especially since you need to build it up, and it scales so slowly. Pick up Fortune and (as you said) you get minimum 15 mult flat. I don't want a joke that can betray me and sink down that isn't something like a food joker. Constellation is great for later antes since it scales so easily, and Fibonacci is great for retriggers. Green is highly overrated, almost useless and I never take it.
That recommendation for Superposition was awesome. It's one of my favorite common jokers but, like you said, it hard to consistently pull off for a utility joker.
Whoa, 2 hours long tiers list, I'd better go grab some snacks and beverages! 😊
Your opinion on Superposition is my exact opinion! Localthunk doesn't want jokers to have more than one effect, so it's unlikely we'll actually see that change, but if there is ever a mod that adds that effect to Superposition I will 100% use it with no shame. I just think as it is now, it is both bad and not particularly fun. If it had an effect that fundamentally changed the way you play the game, it would suddenly be fun even if it was still bad (though I think it having both effects would make it awesome.) I wouldn't mind if it just made straights wrap around and lost the tarot generation, yes it wouldn't be very good at that point, but at least the potential is there to have a fun Superposition build, whereas right now I don't think it's even fun if you somehow can manage to get it to go off consistently.
Campfire is a free win if your econ is in a reasonable spot imo. Vampire is also quite good with a solid econ, although not as good campfire.
Still waiting for the Balatro tier list Tier List
DNA is probably the most fun joker to use for me, as well as one of the most useful. I've just started to appreciate it as I get better at the game and learn to manipulate my deck more.
One of my best runs was based around some of your lower tier jokers, i had hack, two walkie talkies, and an even steven. Add some glass, some red seals and a dusk and its insane.
Great video. This is nit picky…but I think your “above average tier” is actually closer to your average tier if you count how many jokers are above and below it. Just a thought on when you make your next.
Best part of Balatro is reading everyone’s different take on the jokers. Lots of interesting strategy’s being discussed in these comments
Pants > Supernova
Jumping in to start some Obelisk discussion. I think its one of the most powerful Jokers for Gold Stake runs. You make some good points that it can be challenging to pilot, but it can singlehandedly turn a doomed run into a win & it can carry a player through Violet Vessel to the finish line.
Of course you need to save up between 15-20 counts of most played hand (Flush, Two Pair, & Pair have all been effective options as the most played hand to save up). As long as you are careful to keep a low early count of High Card, you'll always be able to play a High card to get out of tricky situations later in the game.
It sure can be challenging or tricky to pilot. Some games seeing Obelisk in the shop you might pause the game to draw up a gameplan about whether there's a effective path to leveling it up. Sure it requires a lot of careful attention But Overall, its saved so many miracle runs on Gold Stake that its right up there with Blackboard, Campfire, Baron etc as some of the most powerful Jokers for winning Ante 8 of Gold Stake.
Very interesting, I don't play a metric ton of gold stakes, but I see the vision here of you have basemult built up already.
Adding some more useful Obelisk notes:
Often after picking up an Obelisk in Weeks 1-3, it can be beneficial to keep it at X1 while storing up more charges into your Most Played Hand. Similar to a old-school Vampire where you buy it early for its potential to snowball during the last three Antes 6-8. Like a young Vampire it can look weak during the first few rounds, but with good planning & patience it can grow into one of the strongest jokers for defeating Gold Stake Violet Vessel
Drink every time he says maybe.
Please don't do that, for safety reasons
on red card, I saw that video when trying to get the negative record, you skipped a lot...
standard packs are more likely to be skipped than not (looking for purple seal, or that one or two specific red seals)
planet packs can be easily be skipped if you don't get the appropriate planet to the hand you're working towards
spectral packs are a toss up from what I've seen in general
tarot packs you're more likely to use one of the cards than not, the 3 card ones can be a toss up, but you're more likely to get a tarot card than not...
if you're buying the packs anyway, red card can scale relatively quickly and be used on blinds until 6 or 7... it's not that bad
I just think there is a much better option if you need that base mult. But I get the argument for it
Awesome vid thanks for update
Is there any way to view your tier list properly? It's a pain to view it in a video. I openned a link in a description but it's not your tier list there, it's just a page of all tier lists for this game made by god-knows-who. Every tier list is different. Idk how to find yours or any other good one?
Its hard to save these, but I can screenshot and send in Discord?
this list gave me cancer (no hate tho)
Halfie being so huge is funny
Insanely helpful, thank you!
hack in c tier is craazyyyy
I am playing on PS5. Can someone tell me if this tier list is relevant on consoles as well cause I don't think it has always the newest patch :)
It's still very relevant to consoles as the changes were not massive. The only ones I think has huge differences in rankings would be 8 ball & vampire. Bloodstone would be one tier lower as well!
@@ZainoTVLive Thank you mate! Highly appreciate the answer :)
Any idea when the patch goes live for consol?
It's going to be awhile, it's not live for PC yet. Still fine-tuning
Is going for high card still considered the meta?
Less so now in orange/gold stake; however, still the most reliable play in my opinion.
@@ZainoTVLive is high card best for the baron+mime combo? Because you want to still have as many cards in hand as possible?
@@joelh2286 Yes, you can get into the e20s on most normal decks with just baron/mime, res stamped steel kings. Once you add Blueprint and brainstorm it skyrockets.
Im here to try and bargain lucky cat up a tier.
Although its a little hard to start up, needing lucky cards and, well, luck, the payoff is INSANE.
Think about it, you built your deck around lucky cards, which gives higher mult than a lot of common jokers AND builds your economy for free, making finding synergy and more magicians easier.
Speaking of synergy, literally almost anything. Because the cat is entirely self contained into lucky cards, you can work it into other builds like baron and shoot the moon, as well as hack if you play your cards right. As well as those other cards, you can play any hand and it just works, and it works amazingly if you choose to build the deck around it.
In conclusion lucky cat is a versatile, somewhat consistent economy generator, that has some amazing mult from just a few tarots.
the only thing obelisk is good at is "saving" lower stake runs by letting you pivot to a different hand type to focus on, and even then it has an extremely hard ceiling and can never take you into endless at all. It being a rare is the final nail for me, I would def put it in F but maybe I'm just mean lol
I’m down on Supernova but it seems like the only additive mult scaler that is fine with a Perishable or Rental sticker. Fortune Teller is good too but it’s a win-more: If you have 20 mult from it, you have 20 Arcana cards of value already.
That's exactly how I feel about fortune teller. If it's worth it, you probably are fine anyway
Bro u showed pre-update data on the right, that confuses
I apologize, I could have edited in the new information I just do not have enough time with my current schedule to do it. I tried to clarify audibly in the video all differences though.
Something odd about Shortcut is that it also lets you make straight flushes and flush houses even if your flush only has 4 matching suits. It's really weird to get into the mindset to use it that way because of how unintuitive it is, but it's a nice bonus. It might also let you do flush fives with 4 of a suit + 1, but I didn't get the opportunity to try.
Do you mean four fingers?
@@ZainoTVLive Maybe? I found it out yesterday while I was playing but my runs as a whole are a blur because of how similar a bunch of them ended up being.
It'd make more sense if it was 4 fingers now that you say it though, a bunch of my runs had either or both.
Maybe you mean both four fingers and shortcut together. Basically nonstop straight flushes
still sad that the game doesnt reward you enough for going for harder hands. Thats like the whole point of poker.
Yeah it seems to be one extreme or the other. Kinda shocked there's nothing to really push full houses.
Whoever complained about Delayed Gratification being low was braindead. It's a worse gold joker. It's like F tier
Nah, it's pretty solid to get the economy going.
@ZainoTVLive I disagree. Very few decks can get a single dollar out of it and once you get in higher stakes activating it is the same as a gold joker.
Nah you can really get it pumping each time, get like 8-10 gold a turn if you increase discards especially and have a no discard build
@realityisenough The things that have to fall into place for that to happen are extremely unlikely. If 90% of the time a gold joker is better then it's just the better card.
If you're on white stake with both discard vouchers and ramen then sure, but most jokers pop off on white stake so that's hardly relevant