Ranking Every Deck in Balatro (Gold Stake)
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I fully disagree with this tier list,not because anything is wrong with it but because it's a tier list and thus "I could had done a way better one".🤓
and then you look and they have 2 hours of playtime on balatro
I don't even know what it is but obviously my opinion is more important than yours @@WooperButBetter
Wow, a comment that displays metacognition.. refreshing.
@@coRnflEks Metacognition 😂 aka a joke
I never needed the Balatro gold-stake tier list because just trying to finish a run on gold stake brings tears to my eyes.
Took me ~120 "New Runs" to get my first GS run complete
brutal @@crackersphdinwumbology2831
I’m still stuck on Green and Black Stake (depending on the starting deck) but it’s still fun to learn how to scale up enough.
Just had an early-ante DNA run that was insane. Highly recommend trying it out!
very late but if you're really desperate for completion you should basically always try to force flush or high card builds
@nobodyatall9044 yea high card is OP, I first tried black and purple back to back with a high card build
Being real here, I think your reasoning behind all of these is solid. My first gold stake win was actually with Checkered, and a warning for all to heed, it's harder than you think. That -1 hand size is absolutely brutal for making flushes.
painter first shop saves the run?
that's right where i am right now its brutal
@@mangouschase I think buying voucher in first ante in generally bad idea, because it's ruining your economy a lot
less money then, but bigger hand makes better hands which make more points which makes you use less hands which makes you money@@gosunov
more cheese is less cheese
@@mangouschase you still have to play 10 rounds if you're saving a full hand every round to make your money back, which is not ideal
Balatro really reminds me of vampire survivors where the gameplay loop is really nice. You dont really notice yourself playing again and again and again until it's 3 in the morning
Pretty sure that with the way the shop generates things, Zodiac deck still makes you see more jokers on average than a 'normal' starter deck. If the wiki is correct Jokers go from 20/28 chance to 20/39.2, but you get 3 slots to roll for jokers instead of 2, which means normal decks see 40/28=1.429 jokers per shop on average and Zodiac sees 60/39.2=1.531 jokers per shop on average. That also ignores the fact that some planets & tarots (particularly hermit) are good even early game so seeing more of them is also beneficial.
Unless you just mean having no 'tempo' from your deck is an early detriment which is fair.
Yeah I think you're right actually, he's really underestimating how good it is having Overstock to start with. Its definitely an A tier deck, because it just gives so much value, makes every reroll worth infinitely more.
As a newbie that just started a few days ago, I feel very vindicated seeing black deck in D tier lol. I wanted to beat all the "basic color" decks on white stake first but black deck is just kicking my ass, can barely get out of ante 1 most of the time and it makes me feel like I'm just fundamentally playing the game wrong
As someone who also did this (and FINALLY beat white stake on the black deck after a few days of concentrated effort), I also found black to be the “what the heck am I doing wrong” setup and feel really vindicated by this list. I only made it after unlocking almost all the jokers, it was wild.
For anaglyph you dont have to skip a lot, as you said, you only have to skip one time to cash in on the entire gimmick of the deck
Yeah, I've gotten 24 hand size, $200 or 5 negative Jokers just from a single skip. I love it
Gold stakes on every deck is impressive. Im really struggling on only orange stakes for ghost deck. Cant imagine the grind for every deck already.
It took a lot of hours and numerous failed attempts. If you can beat the high scaling blinds on purple, you're very close to getting there on both orange and gold.
I was probably one of the first people to gold stake ghost deck. It's pretty brutal and very RNG heavy. You can pretty much tell if the run is doomed right from the get go, getting the right tags for the blinds is critical
@@RoffleLite should I try to unlock cards, and jokers, and stuff, or try to rush a higher stake?
I could listen to Roffle tier list anything, both from the analytic side and just delivery of the information in an understandable way. Keep it up!
Anaglyph is A-tier for me. Its obviously dependent on the type of skip rewards you are offered, but when you get that negative joker skip with 3 double tags it can instantly win you the run.
Live and die by negative an polychrime joker skip tags
Yes It is good but B-tier is good to
and then you hit 3 absolutely garbage no-synergy negatives POGCHAMP!!
So basically, Pop-off chance.
At the absolute worst blue deck is +1 money per round, which is already really good
Blue deck and Red deck are the best decks in their own ways. Blue is obvious but Red is very good for these decks where you fish for a specific hand, or to look for more steel and gold cards
All very solid points - unfortunately, my greed does not permit me to play something other than black deck for that sweet-sweet +1 joker slot
I really appreciate a video like this. I have been trying to get better at the game and have been having trouble with different decks. Your explanation of each gave me more to think about that I hadn't considered as much before. Thanks for a great video as always Roffle!
Nice to see you enjoying this game so much!
I think you nailed the list. Erratic is my favorite...seems weird to say but it gives you direction early but still feels the most flexible. Getting my first gold stake win tonight, then on to the other decks!
I really enjoy this tier list, and i think you are definitely really knowledgable about the game in a way few people are.
In gold stake runs, I am someone who frequently resets after tier 1 if i dont have a good joker to build off of. For that reason, i personally enjoy yellow deck, erratic deck, and green deck personally, but i recognize that they aren't the best for consistent good runs. Tbh ive only beaten gold stakes on green and yellow so far, but will definitely try abandoned and blue decks next based on your comments! Love the balatro content! Keep up the great work!
1:32 Bro the ANA-glyph, really important L placement lmao
naw in gold stake everything is anal
TH-cam's auto-generated comments also caught that LMAO
@@bin0thow?
Anal GIF
@@gaminglol5492he meant auto captions. The auto captions say "a**l GIF"
I think Anaglyph should definitely be a lot higher even if you don't skip much. In fact, I think that Anaglyph sort of incentivizes not skipping much, because using 6+ double tags on a $40 skip or free negative skip is insanely satisfying, fun, and strong.
Black Deck feels like the least well designed because although having that extra joker slot can be nice it takes so much time to actually get enough jokers to fill the slots, which is tougher thanks to less income with the hand nerf which affects every blind you don't skip.
+1 Slot for -1 Hand really feels like the most back-breaking deck early/mid game and just makes Black feel like the "reset simulator" to me; for ridiculously high ante I can see it putting in some work after you assembled exodia, but for a normal run it's practically zero benefit / "win more" since you need a strong start to get it moving anyways.
Idk how I'd change it; maybe -1/2 handsize instead or something else.
I think it should just come with another upside, like +1 Joker slot and you start with the Tarot card that gives you a random Joker. The downside of -1 hand per round is fine imo even with the nerf to income
+1 joker slot, -2 consumables slots. Trade one for another.
The only time black deck feels good is when you get a very specific set of jokers early like the one that has a higher multiplier for reach empty joker slot or riff-raff. If you get 5 good jokers chances are you are winning the run anyway and the 6th one isn't making much of a difference.
@@ausiidndor just give a random joker at the start
i love abandoned deck and spent a bunch of time with it, getting to orange stake so far. good to hear i probably wasn't wasting my time
Im still learning and this was really helpful with the tips you added for each deck! Ty
checkered deck should be built towards flush house imo, so strong with a few spectral cards. + telescope and it feels like u barely even need jokers.
Flush House, Flush Five, Straight Flush, even Royal Flush can be fairly reliable with the right Jokers, there are a lot of outs in terms of Tarot/Spectral/Cards/Jokers you can get to make the deck go wild. It's my favorite deck so far to grind on the way to Gold, I feel like there are a lot of things to build off.
My absolute favorite decks are abandoned and erratic. Abandoned just makes the game so much simpler, even I have to play around lower scoring cards and I love the unpredictable chaos that comes with erraric
Saw you mention this game in a hearthstone vid so I bought it and I cant even put into words how much fun it is lol
I got my first gold stake on the checkered deck, using a flush build with burnt joker and a bunch of uncommons and baseball. You do really need good flush scaling with the checkered deck if you want to win with flush, but damn if i stop playing match the color
Always thought you were against review or tier list videos, but glad to see this, love these even when i disagree with some things always interesting 😅
Most of my decks are only on base or black stake, but the blue deck is the one I play the most and managed to get it up to orange, so I'm working on gold now for that. When I'm playing more casually, I like to play ghost or anaglyph. Great channel and have watched a couple of your runs now :-)
Great watch, just got my first gold stake with anaglyph last night and yeah you can really get stuck with nothing that feels like it's worth skipping for. I usually go for money or nagative jokers since they can easily be added to my build though they don't always do something. The pack doubles can be good if you have jokers based on that pack but that doesn't happen every time. My buuld needed a lot of money to fuel my campfire so money skips were very worthwhile for me. Looking forward to getting my other decks to gold stake level and giving those a go.
I think what you said about Erratic is perfect. It really sort of tells you where you're going with it.
This was helpful - I would love to see a gold stake guide at some point
As someone kinda early in the game, only a few red chip wins atm, this also served as kinda a nice overview of what high level play looks like
havent heard hs music in years, such nostalgia.
good tierlist, from it I understand which are your favourite jokers are
gasp! I didn't know Roffle was doing Balatro content!
It's so nice hearing some actually good takes instead of some of the garbage I've heard/read about this game. Keep up the great work and congrats on getting gold stake on every deck!
on current patch, the Anaglyph (or "analgyph" lol) deck is easily the best deck in the game for gold staking in my opinion. Skip tags were buffed massively, allowing you to hoard negative jokers/polychrome jokers, get literally hundreds of dollars off of investments, and more. it's insane
Congrats on getting through all 15 decks! Would love to see some Erratic Deck content!
the update shoots anaglyph up to S. tags are so good
I don't play Balatro and I just watch you play, but somehow I got invested in seeing the meta in this game anyway lol
Would you ever consider making a joker tierlist? Very situational and run based but seems fun to rank jokers
People are correctly calling out how Anaglyph should be A-tier but I think Zodiac deck is also being slept on, it makes the orange stake penalty (+$1 per ante for boosters) much more tolerable. Maybe it makes finding a joker in ante 1 a little tougher (though I feel like the free Overstock does a good job countering this), but also how big a deal is it to reset in ante 1 or 2? Plus sometimes you just get Hermit or Temperance in the shop, which is free money.
Would love to see a voucher tier list next!
Checkered deck is a great deck almost exclusively because of how easy it makes Flush Houses. A single Sun or World and you're already set for the first half of the run alone basically.
Tierlists? What a time to be alive. Maybe some card review highlights next?
I love painted deck so much it’s just so consistent
Hello! Very cool video, but I want to add something about the ghost deck. You don't have to play Hex. You can simply sell it in the first round. this way we will get a starting economy and spectral cards in the shop
Green deck feels S tier to me. Its the only one I've been grinding up the difficulties with. Basically lets you get max interest rate worth's of money from the start, and you don't need to worry about saving money. Over all just feels like the highest econ deck
It really depends on how well you can finish fast with the green deck. If you're not optimizing your hands, you're not getting the ball rolling. Interest is more consistent when you run into bad luck, whereas if you end a blind at the last hand -- without an econ joker -- you're sh*t outta luck.
agreed but when I hit the stake that gave -1 discard felt a lot worse. still my highest steak deck for sure and consistent
Green deck helped me learn how to play optimally every hand to maximize income. Highly recommend for starting out, it teaches good habits
Haven't hit gold yet, but I still agree with this tier list pretty bigly. I might put yellow deck in S, but other than that it's pretty much exactly how I would place them
Basically just a reverse how challenging each deck is on gold stake, so actually the lower tier decks are probably the ones that are the best made for challenging runs.
We need this for the newer gold stake runs so it’s up to date
I like green deck. And the best way to play it is to just roll a seed with credit card or the hobo joker in the first shop.
This can make you steamroll the first couple of stakes!
good reason for anaglyph being low
HOWEVER
it is really good with throwback (+0.25x mult per skipped blind)
everything can work with the right build
(small thing but you can still buy seed money voucher in a green deck run)
Can you redo this with the new orange and gold stake? Or is it basically the same?
Ooh! This video has potential, if the algorithm likes it, it could really boost us up!
Not quite in gold yet but the broad strokes of this definitely match my experience
I only took one deck past white stake, and it was the abandoned deck all the way up thru gold. Lucky choice!
(context: i only played the blue deck and am currently working on gold stakes with it)
Hey, you said a couple of times something around the likes of "flushes do not scale that well".
Now i am wondering what you play otherwise, in my runs it mostly comes down to flushes. When i try going for straight you need quite the buildup for it to be visable to run and something like full house seems to be not stable enough for a whole run. Is it something like high card, pair or three of a kind? Besides high card and pair of those the rest seem to be too build up dependend
After playing the game for like 15 hours currently trying to get my head around the meta..
Anyway, it was a really nicely put vid, well done. Got some great information already, thanks 👌🏼
when i started playing i was in the same spot as you, i could only win with flushes lol, since flsuhes are so easy to fish, they dont scale well into the late game, lvling up with planets is less eficient and the other hands get more chips and mult, and cards that give mult/chips for flushes are always worse than cards for pairs, 3ok, 4ok.
my recomendation would be to force yourself to not play flushes, in fact there is a joker that gives 2x if hand contains a flush that can only be unlocked if you win a run without playing a flush, try unlocking it and you will realize how many different options you have for synergies and interactions, that you will end up almost never going for flushes since they dont end up scoring as well as other hands. good luck!
Interesting bit about Flush scaling: Despite being ranked higher, it scales up 5 chips slower than Straights. Check the Celestial cards for those hands if you don't believe me.
ive only done a couple on gold stake so far but i pretty much agree with everything 100% lmao
roffle is so charismatic with tier lists, i have a feeling this will blo up
I love ghost deck. Like, a lot. It's probably my favorite deck to play, though I will say I'm a white stake enjoyer and like to go for long infinites, not necessarily for early-game challenge. Obviously it's RNG dependant for that first good Joker, but Hex is an incredibly valuble asset for turning a good joker into a GREAT joker.
Splash? Guess I'm building High Card today! Riff Raff (or whatever that joker is called) - let's hope we run into dagger! All these run-defining jokers that start off weak are instantly justifiable with that 50% boost to mult. This deck is the ultimate ride of poisitve feedback, and if you brick the first shop? Just hold R!
Surprised about Ghost especially since the "whiff" is within the first few blinds so its easy enough to just start a new run until you get something good.
With resets its one of my favorites.
7:48 - there's also the spectrals on shop part, there's a lot of RNG there, but...
I almost made my first golden stake on Checkered deck by relying on Madness and eternal jokers, getting a lot of value from the +4 for spade card. What final boss did I get? Debuff until you sell a joker. Which i physically could not do.
Didnt play the game since and if it wasnt a borrowed laptop, it would probably have a fist sized hole in its screen.
I've had many runs shattered like that, and not even by the final boss. The no repeat hand types boss screwed me a lot, and so did the final boss that forced a card to be selected, but it was actuallu that boss that I won against for my first gold stake clear ever, and on Checkered. Sometimes you can graze by, sometimes RNG cucks you over
Extra discard can run into a dilemma when you have three pair and you don't know which Full House to fish for, or if two pair is enough. Playing one or two pair, or having more handsize, both feel better with three pair.
Yeah, that pretty much matches with my experiences.
Personally, I would rate the Zodiac deck higher (or at least above the Nebula deck) because of the increased availability of tarots and Nebula's -1 consumable slot.
A tarot card in hand can arguably do as well as a joker for getting out of the early antes by letting you create a better hand for your situation (Ex. Straight => Straight flush, 2-pair => Full house or Four of a kind, +8 mult, etc.) and can set your deck up for later; -1 consumable makes it harder to carry things and reduces the value of the Emperor tarot by *more* than half (assuming that it cannot create two of the same card, which would reduce the odds of getting money or a random joker).
Well, it could also be that I just overvalue tarots, but those are my thoughts.
I wonder what the maths on the Zodiac deck actually are. Overstock means the selection is much bigger... Ok, I tried to figure it out using a dice calculator and the average number of Jokers rises with the Zodiac deck, from an average 1.43 jokers per shop without Zodiac to 1.53 jokers per shop with Zodiac.
Disliking for mispronouncing anaglyph.
Fr though, great video, I'm looking to pick up on some basic strategy and concepts so this is very instructional and concise
Zodiac deck can acutually be pretty good (A maybe even S tier imo) on orange/gold stake because of the increasing price of the packs, you do need income or a little bit of luck to get the right jokers
I would love to see an updated list with the last patch
Might be worth doing this again given the changes to orange and gold stake are live. Stuff like flush got a lot easier with the hand size and some other stuff got harder just due to balance (like square joker not starting with 16 chips kinda matters early or if you get him late).
But maybe not cause it's really just like "Nebula deck got a lot better with the orange chip change and anaglyph got a little better with the tag changes" and that's kinda it.
first teir list I’ve fully agreed too
I have only beaten gold stakes with red deck so far but its definitely solid. Ill probably try to grind Magic deck next that ones my favorite
Great video even to just learn how you look to play certain decks.
you should do a joker tier list, would be really interesting from ur perspective i think
The checkered deck feels unbelievably easy to pilot in my opinion, I just hard reset for a good first 3 shops and lean on those the rest of the run with little to no leg work
think you might do a joker tier list?
I recognise the outro music. Where is it from?
I have 40 hours in Balatro’s full version and the past 20 have been on Black deck trying to beat Gold Stakes… It hasn’t been a good time. Glad to know it’s not JUST a skill issue but that someone agrees that this deck STINKS!!
The black deck is an affront to human nature. I understand challenges need to exist, but it feels demorilizing since it's necessary to beat to unlock a deck
I want to get this game, but the main reason I love rougelikes like this is for all the different characters you can start as.
As someone who might be interested in buying this game, do the decks feel substantially different from each other, or do they all gravitate to the same builds?
Some of the decks don’t influence your build too much because they just give a generic benefit (like the +$10 one). While others heavily impact your build. I also find it’s difficult to force each run into a single preferred build. You have to be flexible based on the jokers you get.
I might be late, but you can compare it to HS battleground. It is not just about the hero/deck you pick, it is mostly about minions/jokers you get. Be flexible, adapt your gameplan, and enjoy. The game is designed so Ante 8 can be defeated with every kind of build. There is obviously a meta for later antes but the replayability is really great
Enjoying your vids 😄 Did you play HS in the past? The name sounds familiar
I think the giant HS logo behind him is a clue 😅
Good list
Boss blind difficulty tier list when
I think my favourite deck is the checkered deck, it's really nice if you're just going for stakes but later on kinda sucks and once you get all spades or all hearts debuffed it could end the game right there.
I feel so validated on the black deck placement. I just could never get it to work
As a newbie (I only have abandoned, black, blue, red, green, nebula, gold, and zodiac) I HATE the black and yellow decks while the green deck is my favorite. The arm is a death sentence early game. And I have yet to do anything with gold and black
Next do a tier list of every Enchantment in this game
Glass is best
*Glass brake sound* ^^
@@kamilczyzkowski1213| IIRC that just thins the deck and buffs Glass Joker 😉
I finally beat the black deck and that's just because I got lucky to get the +1 hand card that basically make this deck playable.
Within 20 seconds you're blowing my mind man what the hell?
I struggle with the Gold Stake Checkered Deck because I just haven't gotten enough super scaling Jokers and I'm too stubborn to restart when it's obvious I'm not making it through.
If you have the throwback joker (Mr. Gains 0.25 times mult multipler), which is supremely easy to unlock, if the skip has value then it's a no brainer to do so.
Would you say an A20 heart run or a gold stake run is more difficult?
For me, if you count 'new run'ing at the start of balatro runs then gold stake by far. If you get past that with a good start on most decks in balatro I find winning the rest of the game is pretty okay.
Basically, %wise I'd say balatro is much harder but Sts you are going to spend more time playing runs that die close to the end
something to note iirc plasma deck is able to beat gold stake by using only high cards if they can get to 500 chips consistently
Green deck was nightmare for me but I’m realizing now that I probably just had unreasonably poor luck. I can’t imagine another deck being worse than
Checkered is my personal favorite, and (I think) is really good right until gold stake. Ease of use isn't without it's benefits, I loved running a no discards build on checkered, get 9 cards per hand and you are guaranteed a flush every hand because of the pigeonhole principle, with burglar and green joker, you are playing a ton of hands, and you are scaling the entire time. The problem is on gold stakes it is super hard to get 9 cards per hand.
While Gold is fun to aim for, I feel it makes the game more RNG reliant than it should be with less gold. I do like the mechanic of Eternals though, so Black is personally my favorite. I've probably been skipping more than I should (for appealing small blind skips), probably why I'm having a lot of trouble finishing my first Gold
1:33 check CC "**** GIF" :D
with anaglyph, I always wait until like ante 7-8, find a negative tag, then blast that shit. Get a ton of jokers
Checkers is S tier, but you are pigeonholded into flushes and have to work on multis and flushes or spades(hearts is a bit too weak to focus on), if you want to live. Now if your playstyle is to never reroll and to play the first small blind everytime, then yah it drops down a loooot. As you mentioned checkers biggest strength is you can beat the first 2 antis pretty much jokerless so it allows you to take skip some risky blinds early game that will have a high chance of just normally ending the run. If you're always fishing on the first blind for a joker then yes A tier is a very fair assessment. Frankly I find it allows me to start my runs faster and let me know if it's worth rolling the dice and continuing the run or just restarting, since I find it too time consuming to check the first blind for a joker, and then playing the second blind at a disadvantage(would have benefited more if I had just skipped it) if I bought nothing on the small blind.
How do you unlock abandoned deck?? Ive been looking for it forever because ride the bus is so annoying to actually scale properly!!!
Green stake win
It's also good if you're playing high card or pair and you just include the face cards as non-scorers to cycle them out. It doesn't reset the mult
Decent card if you commit to it early, abandoned deck or not
I don't know what any of this means, I'm just happy to be here