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Edison Retrofit E-Axles for ALL ¾ Ton+ Trucks!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
- We are prototyping electric axles to fit every 3/4 truck frame for an Edison Kit.
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Just make a transfer case. Every 4x4 has one and everyone can find a driveshaft shop to adapt front and rear axles. Could make a 1500, 2500, to you name it version. The more simple you can make it for mechanics and fleets the more you can sell. GL Rich
Edison tried that with their first semi truck prototype, Carl. All it did was snap u-joints, and you can't use Regen on the coast side of the ring gear. Electric axles are straight cut gears. Plus, there is not enough room
I worked for a company that was also bolting a generator to a diesel engine. Instead of a solid rear axle, the vehicles were to use electric hub motors. This allowed the cargo area to be lowered, increasing the volume by almost 30%.
The battery pack was nickle-metal hydride and could power the vehicle for 50 miles. With air suspension, the back bumper could be lowered to ground level. Our goal was to make all UPS and FedEx trucks hybrid.
@@mscmtc Sounds like this was a while ago... NiMH is ancient battery tech these days, could probably get 3x range with LiFE. Love the ideas though!
@joelv4495 a lot of mild hybrids still use NIMH because of the low cost and safety margin. Though, I think LFP is replacing those quickly
@@joelv4495 toyota still uses nickel batteries in a lot of their hybrids, or at least did until very recently
Rich, I cannot express how excited I am for this. I am an engineer with Progress Rail. Caterpillar's locomotive division (previously Electro-Motive Diesel). I work on the Diesel electric systems daily. The fact that Edison Motors is creating this system for heavy haul trucks and now working with Deboss Garage to bring it to the pickup market, gets me really excited. This is definitely the way forward with emissions and work in mind vs the fully electric setups. Keep up the good work guys, I am rooting for you!
Is CAT aware of them working on this? Seems like it could benefit them to work with them a bit. It would be sorta cool if CAT brought Edison up to Fort Mac to do some test runs hauling their equipment from one of the mines back to their shop. Even if they have another truck with them just in case the Edison truck breaks down but it would still be a good test of the truck.
And I am a locomotive engineer for a major railroad. Diesel electric makes alot of sense.
I saw something about old locomotives being converted to battery powered. It would be charged but a connected conventional locomotives. Heard of that?
@bobstitzenberger1834 so far it doesn't seem to be working as planned. I have not experienced any. I ran one set that was natural gas powered. That one didn't last long.
@@bobstitzenberger1834 they are very dependent on location and what you are hauling, classic up empty and down loaded.
SHOUT OUT TO THAT COMPANY WHO DONATED THAT TRUCK!!!!!!!!! They didn’t have to but wow are they awesome people for helping the cause. People need to support them and Edison for what there doing. Cram-a-lot way to go thanks!!!!!!
They should send that pickup back to the donor when it's finished!
"I don't think anyone's as excited about a 30-year-old, 2nd gen, gas, 2WD truck as I am"
My guy... Twister was the first PG-13 movie I was allowed to watch in theaters. To me, those 2nd gens are the prettiest Ram ever, and I'm pretty sure the one in the movie was also a gas 2WD. I'm RIDICULOUSLY EXCITED to see this one go electric!!
i swear twister loves and celebrates cars more than fast and furious (and i like f&f btw)
I know it’s wrong with it. I got no gas in it. 2:15
The twister ram was a 4wd, decals on the back and front diff visible sometimes.
And i know cummins is the good dodge engine but my god i want a ext cab long bed red v10 ram.
Such a beautiful truck.
Regarding the CAN bus network, if you all tackle this on your own I would suggest getting a Kvaser leaf or some other USB to CAN device with SocketCAN.
There are free or open source softwares such as SavvyCAN or CANable that will allow you to monitor bus traffic and highlight changes to reverse engineer the signals on the bus.
Isolating modules so that only one module is on at a time is a good way to identify which module is transmitting at which IDs, then you can manipulate the sensors going to that module to determine which message contains what information.
Im a control systems engineer for a large upfitter and I do this at work to reverse engineer chassis signals such as Engine RPM, transmission statuses, HVAC information, etc.
Wow, that's some awesome info
Knowledge envy! Control data is the one that eludes me. I'm putting a 99 Det 6.5TD in my 86 E350 RV. Including the 4l80E.
I like ST microcontrollers as they have 2 CAN buses and many other options.
I submitted a design to ABS for a submersible using reduntant controllers for the under water comms, audio conversion from sea to air, and emergency backup for life support. It was hand written and in pencil, and passed 1st presentation. Sub failed as they had just doubled life support requirements 2 weeks earlier.
There is TruckDevil too which is an opensource tool built for accessing ECUs that use J1939 on the CAN Bus.
The maker even made an awesome tool to show off at DEFCON a few years back to plugin parts to simulate stuff real time outside of the truck (super useful for testing things that might break real things!).
Hey Rich and Crew, my name is Tim and I'm from Springdale, Arkansas and my Great Uncle Jimmy, aka, Jim Ulrich and his good friend and partner, Jack Perry started Cram-a-Lot back in 1978 and I used to do work there when I was 14, sweeping and cleaning. It's SO cool to see what your doing and seeing that truck takes me so far back. I'm looking forward to watching your crew and Edison do all these great things with hybrid diesels. I have a 2009 Dodge 2500 Cummins 6.7 long bed (box) and the wheels in my head have me geting ready to put together a project that will certainly drive her nuts... Boyah! Keep going!
Tim, What a cool connection. I'm Jack's grandson and am running the company. Jim was a great inventor/fabricator. I believe he would be excited about this project.
the whistle/scream on acceleration on the l5p says it likely has a blown charge cooler line (left side exhaust pipe from manifold to turbo mount sometimes makes this noise when the flex joint breaks), was driven like that till the dpf got packed, at 140-150% soot the reduced power message hits and it wants a service regeneration to clear the dpf, this requires a scan tool to trigger, if its trying to do a active regen, shift to a lower gear and tach out the engine (i run them 3k or so if i have to drive out a burn) for max effect of the regen and to get it done faster.
ase and gm master tech here at a gm dealer
I am glad for my 7.3 powerstroke cause i don't know what any of that means lol
@@JD-yx7benone of that shit on my 12v dodge or my deuce and a half, they just barely need electricity to function, being parked on a handy hill can start em. just because i work on duramaxes for a living doesn't mean i wanna own one
@@wdixon27 I thought about duramax swapping my hummer H3T, are they such pieces of junk? Lol
21st century.
Where you gotta run a V8 diesel at 3000+rpm to ‘fix it’
I love my 81 vw rabbit with a mechanical tdi swap.
It gets 75mpg so my money goes into savings not fuel
@@wdixon27 me too! I have a garage, have to use scanner and computer (worked my hole life in communication business) but my truck is a 68 Ford 350 (brazilian) with a mercedes 6cyl inline diesel. mecanic injection pump (bosch). an pos wwII engine, used in trucks and unimogs (om321). last and first time rebuilt in the 80ies hahaha this stuff were eternal runners. the modern bs passes the warrenty and you can throw them away.
Not complaining, but seeing the pace of progress on this makes me realize we're gonna get dozens of these videos over at least a year or more
I love that you guys are thinking of the future servicing. Bringing back reliability into auto manufacturing. A keep it simple approach is what has been lost in manufacturing. Good job 👏
People saying “just connect the motor to the drive shaft” the thing is electric motors double or triple the torque a diesel makes. Putting that much torque through old driveline would twist it in a heart beat.
Software could limit the initial torque at driving away from 0mph. Once the mass is moving it can ramp up torque like the ICE engine. That kinda idea. My take would be a transfer case or bolt on pumpkin motor with custom new internals to the wheels.
The idea is to put the motor on the axle to eliminate as much parasitic power loss as possible.
Really? You ever see 1000+ hp diesels running on stock driveline? Pretty much every Cummins on the road using the stock drivetrain, and holding up just fine
These motors probably make 1/3 of the torque of a tuned diesel.
@@johndaughtry3479 unsprung weight is bad
The pumpkin idea is the best. The idea of having to certify steering and breaking and suspension just sounds like a liability nightmare
Agreed! Trucks being refitted already have diff/axles etc. They just need electric drive. KISS rule for the win.
I would like to see a setup where the original axles are left alone. Engine, generator, 1 single electric drive motor, and transfer case are mounted sequential of each other. Only the front and rear driveshafts would need to be made to length. That way all the high wear items can be serviced like before and parts are more ‘off the shelf’. Seems like it would be the easiest way to ensure the kit is drop in. Only issue would be finding 1 electric motor strong enough to drive both front and rear axles, and ensuring the original driveline can handle the torque.
Depends on whether the federal statutes allow reliance on the original certification. This isn't just a one off retrofit. It's a company offering a package. I'm not sure how it would be treated, I don't know the onroad regulations well enough. Off road equipment, I'll say it depends.
DO IT! TAKE MY MONEY PLEASE!
@@unclesam239 Rich already explained that, doing it that way just adds more strain to the factory parts, the driveshaft and the axle won't be abble to hold the instant torque the electric engine produces for too long, something will break eventually, they have thought this very well, they are not just mashing parts together.
one thing to note is that there are existing solid axle swap kits available for the IFS trucks, if you can replicate an F350 axle's mounting points not only would it apply to those trucks factory, but also to the wide variety of pre-existing SAS kits for the 2wd or IFS trucks.
Between you and Edison Motors, great things are on the horizon. The public will finally be able to see what a WELL BUILT hybrid truck can do!
Thank you Cram-a-lot!!!
As a heavy diesel mechanic, it brings me a sense of peace watching your videos, actually seeing your dreams and ideas come to life. Wrenching used to be a passion and I couldn’t wait for more parts to show up to add-on/fix my stuff. Since that’s all I do now for work, it takes all the enjoyment away. I can appreciate your dedication to your builds and the inspiration you’re giving for everyone watching to go out and think beyond the book, make it work the way it does in your visions. Keep up the great work.
When you put a radiator in front of the R2.8, make sure you put a nice big radiator. I just put one in my taco and it likes to get warm on the highway. Especially climbing Colorado mountain passes, which is where I live. I have no complaints about the engine so far, it runs great and has plenty of power for me.
"Somebody said it couldn't be done, but he with a chuckle replied that maybe it couldn't, but he would be one who wouldn't say so 'till he tried..."
I'm excited about this, and i love seeing guys take a challenge head on!
The boys at Edison make me proud to be Canadian. Love their no nonsense approach.
do they replace your truck for zero, or convert it for zero,??.. if not, go stik this bs up uranus..the cost of being green, would amount to hundreds of yrs of normal transport. go visit the congo, watch 4 yr olds die mining cobolt, lithium. go vist china, stop them building coal fired power plants, go vist the amazon, stop the de forestation.. not increase the tax on the earth by a said, ''green industry''. that isnt needed.. you know sht..
You wont be so proud when it fails...so dont be counting your chickens yet...because anyone can custom build...this needs to be affordable and simple which it is very far from.
@@djsi38ttoo many people are quick to jump on a bandwagon these days.
@@djsi38t Wet blanket?
I have been wanting a nice flat bed farm truck. I’m glad I have held off purchasing a base truck to retrofit just yet. Seeing all those different frames and configurations needed, I can wait and focus on trucks that would be the easiest to covert. The less you have to custom build the faster and more reliable the conversion will be. It’s exciting to watch how this is being built. I’m glad to be a part of it, even if it’s just one E conversation kit reservation.
I said this on one of Edison's videos, but I'll say it here too: I've got a 1988 Bronco that's at 200k miles, and for the last decade or so I've been figuring that when the drivetrain eventually wears out I'll convert it to electric or hybrid -- and I've been hoping that by the time that happens, the parts and shop expertise will be there to make that straightforward. I'm really excited about what you all are doing, because this is the first time I've seen something that's looking close to bolt-on for it, and it seems quite likely to be here by the time I need it. (I expect you've probably got 5 years, if not 10; I don't drive it that much!)
I really like the idea of a remote setup and/or pumpkin replacement for the front, because the Bronco has the twin-I-beam front suspension and I doubt you or anyone will make a full-axle replacement for that. I'm also not too worried about overtorquing the front drivetrain with an electric motor, because I think it makes sense to put most of the power at the back and put a smaller motor up front that provides about the same torque that the original drivetrain did.
The only thing I'm worried about now is how to convince the California DMV that putting a diesel setup into a vehicle that used to have a gasoline engine is a good idea, but maybe in a few years they'll have caught up to this sort of thing.
I know this wouldn't be for the 3/4 ton market but a E Ford 9" dropout would be sweet. There's enough people building housings for the 4x4 community that you should be able to get what ever configuration you need for the application and adapt from there. Also if you could make the carrier compatible with the 9" as well you could have a locker, spool, lsd, or whatever you want in there since someone already makes those
Rich, I like the pumpkin swap idea. What I’m thinking is you get a single design motor built that can be used in the front or back. Where the axle tubes plugin, make that size larger than any common axle tube, say 5”. Get machined rings made up that shrink that 5” size down to the actual axle tube sizes. When assembling, remove the stock axle from the truck. Saw cut right at the edge of the existing pumpkin, freeing the axle tubes. Have a jig that holds the axle tubes and e-motor for proper rotation. Press the parts together and weld. Bolt back into stock truck. You just need to ensure the e-motor is longer than the widest stock pumpkin, and small enough in diameter to clear other chassis parts. Then you only need custom axles made to re-assemble everything. Good luck, it’s an interference undertaking.
This is the exciting stage. Big props to Cram-a-lot for that donation. I can't wait to see what's next!
I’m a heavy diesel fleet mechanic we do everything in house. I honestly think you should scrap the idea for a drop in center diff ,and come up with a set of universal motors that set in place of the transmission and transfer case. I realize this may create problems with battery placement. The way you were going to do it it’s gonna be way too complicated and you’re going to increase your unsprung weight substantially, This is going to cause not only a rough ride axle hop around corners it could be dangerous. By doing it my way you keep the motors up high and protected, You only thing you need to do is get new driveshaft made up, You don’t touch your axles or your brakes or your suspension that frees you of a lot of liability. And variations in fitment.
I love it, can't get enough of you guys documenting the process.
Also I love the measure twice, cut once approach and future possible modularity to taylor possible designs to their intended uses, specially in the vocational market
Oh my God this is the coolest idea I've ever seen! I can't tell you how over the moon excited I am as well. I'm just a family man my job doesn't require me to travel a lot but the idea of being able to replace a super inefficient V10 in my Ford Excursion with a more efficient more reliable more powerful Diesel electric hybrid that I can use when I go camping with the family or when I go out on the job site I can weld with it is so exciting!
THIS is one of the most interesting vids you have done. This brainstorming is really fantastic.
Those crew door are pretty easy to get open. It’s just a couple levers u have to pull on once u get the two hand screw’s off. My 01s door wouldn’t open after a while and it took me about 30 minutes to get em open and fixed. I took extra time to clean/wipe/grease everything that was there.
Just want to say I'm so proud of you guys!
If I could pick one car from any TH-cam channel, it would be the F-350 you built. It's by far my favorite build I've seen. I don't even know what I'd do with a Lamborghini or McClaren anyway 😂. The amount of engineering you did to make that all work was incredible. Love the new journey too. That is the system that's going to take over in the future.
I can’t imagine the increase in stress this brings to yourself Rich, we know the Deboss team can handle it and we are all rooting for Edison and DeBoss’s success!
You and Edison are doing awesome job fully support you those.
Just getting the motor and pumpkins manufactured a great way to make a more universal NA kit. The independent front suspension trucks are going to be the issue.
Those should be easier because that's how Tesla already does it.
Huge venture. This should be fun to watch unfold.
This is a fantastic venture. I believe Diesel hybrids offer the best of both worlds. Power, Reliability and efficiency! Fantastic work!!!
Cant wait to see cram-a-lot on the sponsors list.
Real ppl coming up with real working solutions! 😊
Haven't watched it yet, but this seems waaay more practical than a fully electric truck. Excited to see how this turns out.
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I think the most universal system you could build would be a divorced transfer case driven by the electric motor. You only need two models. Driver drop and passenger drop. Maybe you could use the same one and flip it over.
Then you don’t have to mess with swapping out axles, suspension, steering, parking brake, etc. Then you also avoid having to mess with abs tone rings and stuff. Leave all that factory stuff alone for simplicity. If you can limit the variables you will have a larger market and therefore be able to help more people. New drive shafts and u joints and you’re on your way. Can’t wait to see what you guys do.
I think you should start with the ford kit. They are the best selling trucks and thanks to the 6.0 and 6.4 there are a ton of trucks in great shape for cheap prime for conversion. Then move on to the Chevy and the dodge.
Also, ford has the front and rear solid axles, making mounting of the kit way easier than it would be with a GM.
I was actually thinking with the IFS gm runs, that one might be easier. But if the go with the pumpkin idea, then Dodge and Ford will be easier
@@denniswobbe3157 Good point, I don't know a ton about GM front end design but I don't see why this wouldn't work. Electric axles could be what saves the diesel industry, at least here in North America.
I concur, Ford
If the least reliable trucks were the best sellers. That makes me think that the people who know the least about mechanical things are the ones that buy Ford.
Electric transfer case that has adapter plates and swapable input shafts and output shafts the meet the entire market. 2wd trucks you mount it divorced like a ford np205 or a “brownie box” auxiliary transmission. Seems that that would allow the simplest solution for shipping, transport, implementation and ease of retrofit. One pallet could hold all components to include driveshafts. Easily marketed to corporations to mass implementation such as U-Haul or Penske (just a thought). Obviously from the battery weight, this would be pretty limited to 2500 or larger trucks initially due to battery weight.
Really excited about this Collab project. Been a long time viewer of Deboss Garage and actually resolved an issue I was having with my 03 Cummins based on Rich's fuel-line cap video.
Also interested in possibly converting my 03 to an E-Axel down the road for hauling an RV Trailer once I retire.
Massive Support for Rich and his 'can do' attitude.
The trailer could have e axles and battery, too.
Very interested in this journey. I don't need to see a ton of the "planning meeting" videos, but this one sure does cast a bright light on the technical challenges of trying to make a conversion "kit".
I'm impressed with your ingenuity, level head and drive for this venture.
Every project has a tendency to snowball into something much bigger, and this one is huge to start with so I can see it really becoming massive quick. My biggest hope/advice with this build is that you try to simplify the swap as much as possible to keep people interested. If it becomes too complicated I think it’ll lose people. Idk how possible it is to simplify this one though cause it’s so ambitious, but I hope it doesn’t turn into something too complex. Either way, I’m excited to watch and I’m glad you’re doing it. I’ve been watching for a really long time and I love how open you are to diving into new things like this. I’m envious of your ability to not be scared off by something you’ve never done before. Keep doin what you’re doin, and I hope you inspire some guys down here in the states to embrace this technology and try to build some stuff like this too.
Very Cool knowing some of the roads you are traveling! Western New York boy here
I’m from the mountains of NY, and the one thing I know about the flatlands of NY is that Wegman’s is a cult.
Right? Never thought I'd see Irondequoit Bay bridge on TH-cam. It's crazy
Soooo cool to see that !!!
As someone that used to want to do something like this and realized how out of my realm it is it’s amazing seeing it come to fruition, I remember watching the Edison TikTok videos and dismissing them but here we are 👌
I am excited about the series hybrid builds. Can't wait.
I did laugh when Rich got in the Chevy and said it has a screen and he isn't used to that, when it then jumps later to him driving the F350 with the huge Holley dash.
I have a 93 6.5 Chevy 3500. I think this is perfect for the 6.5 trucks. They have no power and hate working and hate getting hot. Mines and 316,000 miles and she let loose a rod bearing back in February. I want to completely rebuild it with upgraded parts because it’s got sentimental value more than anything. It was my father’s truck. I want to make this kit work in a 6.5 truck. It just makes sense for a 3500 frame and body that’s got life left in it that has an engine that doesn’t like working. If all it’s doing is acting as the generator for the whole system, it’ll last another 300,000-400,000 miles easy. Really excited to see what it’d take and what it would look like financially.
I’m always hoping to hear something from this project
And I just realized you’re the one with these updates
Thank you for giving me hope
What a huge project. I expected it would be complicated, but there sure are a lot of nuances here. Such a great project and so cool to see the process.
I know I'm late to the party but I can't stop thinking about doing this to my old 34' diesel pusher RV at some point... So awesome
I have a 2016 F150 and I'll sign up in a heartbeat.
3/4 ton
@@jwiereng from what I understood it's any solid rear end truck probably not 1/2 tons right away but in the future
@@thejosh0100 All gas/diesel 1/2 ton trucks have a solid rear (Sans Santa Cruz/Maverick/Ridgeline as they are not 1/2 ton). The 3/4 tons are being used due to stronger internals and for Diesel only. They want to ensure that the E-Axles won't break under 600+ Ft lbs.They're prototyping the Repower 2.8 as well.
@@jwierengsolid axles have been swapped under smaller chassis forever bro 😊
@@thejosh0100 If they build it like I mentioned it can work on any axial they just need to turn down the power to the motor thru the motor controller for a less torx on the drive at motor start
I really feel like you guy’s should be working with the aftermarket off-road companies because they have 4x4 swap kits and all kinds of solutions for what I’m hearing here. I would definitely consider working with Carli suspension for all the custom suspension systems for this because ride quality matters and they are hands down the best at that and strength.
Definitely get rid of ifs and do straight axle swaps with the solid e-axles. There are sas conversion kits all over for every make and model already. 🤙
As much as I love power and sound. This is one of the most exciting an economical projects you have ever conquered. I'm so excited
You and Edison are putting out some exciting work. Looks like a lot of work, but you seem to have a great plan in place.
Your shade tree genius is amazing! Simple, modest problem solving excellence!
I’ve got a couple OBS 1/2 ton farm trucks just waiting for the cost structure on this swap…I’m excited.
Nice to see lots of trucks are going to be saved from the junk yard. Great idea for a 3/4 ton kit.
Fantastic video on a fascinating project. I recently learned that Neil Young vowed in 2022 not to tour until he could convert his bus to EV. He seems to have broken that promise, as he is now on tour and I have been able to find no news of the bus having been electrified. It would be great to see you guys in collaboration with another esteemed countryman! Keep up the good work!
Neil young seems to needs to focus on singing and songwriting and not on mechanical engineering..lol
I may not have the money for the kit for some time, but I am genuinely excited for it. I feel this is genuinely the future of motoring. I can't wait to see them on the road!
I feel the deisel generated electric drive is the best conversion for OTR and many vehicles. It's better than 100%electric downtime. all rpm torque. No lag.
Fuel efficiency due to smaller deisel running at peak efficiency to power output.
Can't wait to see the conversion combinations all be fine-tuned and charted for specific applications.
As someone who just got a nice 97 F250 Crew Cab with a short bed, the thought of being able to do this someday and swap out the 460 for not only the power, but economy of a DL sounds amazing. I was dreaming about doing this anyways. To have a kit I could do it with would be even better.
I want a 4x4 van or motorhome of sorts - with e axles solar and the genny running biodiesel - that’s been my goal for over a decade
Love what your doing and cant wait to get one for my 2002 gmc 2500hd. Keep up the good work!
I literally cannot wait. I’ve got a 99 f250 that’s perfect for this project.
“My starter needs a new engine”
When you said you need a person experienced with Canbus and diagnostics etc, the first person I thought of was Ivan from Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics. That man has his head screwed on the right way. Good luck with the project.
This is such a cool idea. Very interested to follow this project. I wish you guys all the luck. I think the electrical/control modules will probably be challenging
So excited, I am making suburban/van so 1973 no smog check, 4 doors with high roof van on back looking like a over roof camper thing, then one of your kits
On a fully independent double a arms all around you could use a more compact hub drive motor 1 on each corner giving any variation of drive you could ever want . In fact thinking about it as your trying to make as close to a 1 system fits all, you could use a hub system on trucks and vehicles with normal 4 wheel drive on spring packs by fitting hub motors on basically a piece of tube which would be thickness and length as you needed for each different model of rear and front axles. Your normal mounting system to the spring pack and shocks via U bolts would still work as well as fitting standard breaks. The front would present a be more of a challenge but still the same as described just with Knuckles for the steering to be used. The hub motor would work as a universal system far easier than building any kind of pumpkin based or equivalent motor mounting system, only differents would be using 4 lower powered electric motors instead of 2 higher powered motors to achieve 4 wheel drive. Course the beauty of 4 motors would be amazing stability, power take off and control plus more Regenerative breaking available even if it's not doubled it certainly wot be a larger amount available. Years ago I wanted to invent a spare wheel that was a complete drive system in case of break downs you'd simply bolt it on and hopefully be able to limb home or to a garage saving on the towing fee but I'm not smart enough to have ever worked that out but they did produce a kind of bolt on hub motor which has been perfected over the 30 years since I saw it at a show. .
Amazing these diesels. I have 3 Cummins trucks, 2 24 Valves, 1 12 valve and a 2009 deleted 6.4 PowerStroke with 323,000. Seems your idea of building a pumpkin, or center section like NAPCO did in the 1950's would be the best solution. These Mfg's used the same drive axles in many cases, but with a differing system's like IFS, etc.
I’m really interested in this! I probably won’t personally need one. I just configured my CYBERBEAST last Tuesday (5/14/24). I live in Southern Idaho, Twin Falls, drive to Boise (125 miles each way) maybe once a month @ the most, and to Los Angeles (1,000 miles)every year or so. I’ll be charging @ home 99% of the time. I’m old (81) and doubt that I will put Solar on the roof. Idaho Power is making it less and less attractive option.
I currently drive a Miata when it’s warm and a GMC DURAMAX 4X4 when it’s not. Short hops, a Metacycle or 72 VOLT SurRon. Keep up the good work.
I am totally in on this.
I'd love to replace the transmission and rear end of ny 94 toyota pickup. The engine is great.
You should make your own axles like the D44 D60 D80 and 14B Gm with your center and blank tubes. Most people aren't capable of welding axle tubes in
Do not weld them make them interconnect and then outer bolt them like air craft hubs are done
In re: Addressing the torque issue, sheering driveshaft and u joints
Here are some thoughts:
Torque control algorithms can be implemented using a Programmable Logic Controller (PLC) to regulate the torque output of the Danfoss motor generator. A *PLC is a digital computer that uses programmable memory to store instructions and implement specific functions, making it an ideal platform for implementing torque control algorithms.
* we used PLCs for decades in the sawmill design millwright and repair industry. They are very rugged.
By integrating a PLC with the VFD and motor, you can:
1. Monitor motor speed, current, and torque in real-time
2. Implement custom torque limiting algorithms based on specific application requirements
3. Adjust torque limits dynamically based on operating conditions
4. Integrate with other control systems and sensors for enhanced functionality
5. Implement safety features, such as emergency shutdown or alarm triggers, in case of excessive torque
Some popular PLC brands for industrial automation include:
- Allen-Bradley (Rockwell Automation)
- Siemens
- Schneider Electric
- Mitsubishi Electric
- Omron
When selecting a PLC for torque control, consider factors such as:
- Processing power and memory
- Analog and digital input/output capabilities
- Communication protocols (e.g., Modbus, Profibus)
- Programming software and ease of use
- Compatibility with the VFD and motor
- Environmental ruggedness and durability
Keep up the great work. Can’t wait 😁
You say you'll have to have new axles made. What about designing the pumpkin to accept stock axles. Or maybe an adapter for each model to fit the pumpkin.
I was thinking the same way. Not a hundred percent sure how the electric drive works, but what about it adapting to the pinon shaft. Then you just have to support the weight. Be cheaper to make different inserts to match pinons.
@@phatfabio2304 Why not do like tesla setup and dual motor? 1 for each axel and plug them directly into the front and rear Diff. That would eliminate the need for special pumpkins.
Correct, but you still have a weight issue to deal with. Just seems like a good idea to look into if you have to have special pumpkins made anyway.
@phatfabio2304 I'm not positive, but to me, eliminating the ring and pinion gear would increase efficiency and reduce the need for repairing/replacing that assembly.
@@gwh21375 That is part of my problem, I don't know how the e axle works. I have seen pictures but is the motor spinning with the wheels or is it perpendicular to them like a driveline is?
Excited for the process. Looking forward to the modular kits 3 or 4 iterations down the road. Would love to slap electric axles and a generator into my 87 f250. The 6.9 International will certainly run but a hybrid drivetrain will make the fuel stops less painful lol.
This is an awesome idea… can’t wait for this to take over the industry
Love the trip down the process, great update ... I have my reservation ... will be transitioning a Step Van/Delivery Van
I like the idea a 3rd member that you can attach your own axle and axle tubes to. It seems to be a bit more universal in application.
I have about 400,000 on my '93 Chevy 2500 with the 6.5 diesel.. I have 60,000 on my '16 Chevy 2500 with the 6.0 gasser.. I'm definitely glad i went with the gasser. I've had zero problems with it since i bought it brand new
This is a real puzzle! Interesting project walkthrough.
I would love to keep my inherited '01 Excursion living for the next 30 years as a hybrid!
You guys need to look at the Deberties between the frame rail slide box they created, it attaches the bumper and slide out as a tool tray, but depending on the batteries it could be retro fitted plus would center the weight over the axel as well and keep ground clearance up with out taking from the bed depth
The in-wheel hub motor setup from Elaphe makes way more sense for converting trucks. If people can bolt on a hub motor like rims plus some extra connections to the chassis mounted battery you would sell way more.
In wheel would be great indeed
This is so exciting! Keep the videos coming! I love this topic!
To make it even simpler consider putting your motor to drive the pinion with the universal joint coupling and the bracket to connect to the axle
I appreciate this build . Maybe it can help me on my 95 4x4 . I started out with a clean Texas truck no rust . Had it since 98 . Got 220 k miles i think . I done the g56 conversion. This and grafting the floor out of a 98 to use the later floor shifter for the 4x4 . A hydroboost conversation. . A front axle from a 2001 which alows 3 gen brakes . Steering , control arms . Bilstein shocks. The shock tower eliminated kit. One piece aluminum drive shaft. The floor had the kill matt . This really helps noise . The front axle i went ahead and welded in new spring buckets . Spin free locking hubs ..The one piece axle cad eliminator ..The cruise control i finally just went after market and fixed the cruise control problems ..i bought the billet blend doors to replace them ..i want to do the 3 gen interior replacement so i look forward to seeing how you do that . Little things like the control arm and the larger bolts on the later model truck ..Going to the later steering linkage. . Changed the pitman arm on steering box to do that ..The BD sway arms kit is the best i seen . I used a high volume power steering pump with more pressure iwaa told . This seems to help braking . I sure you konw about the chev rear wheel cylinders also swap ..look forward to seeing what you do to the second generation dodge ram 2500
I think the chevys a good candidate for the ev axle swap. It’ll give you good publicity for what you guys are doing and it’s got all the newer features that will make someone want to drive it, modern interior modern body design and most importantly it looks just like any other truck on the road. Not a weird non functional pickup that can’t haul anything over 150 miles. Not an older truck stripped and screens added like a resto mod truck with an ev swap. Definitely excited for this project.
For parking brakes. Look into the newest body style Ford. They use electric motors built into the calipers. No cables or drums that rust out and freeze up. Love this! Can’t wait for my 97 “F3cummins” to run the Edison motors kit
If you are going to center mount just the pumpkin section to the existing axle, weld flanges on the axle tubes and add flanges on both sides so it bolts in the front axle.
This was just a good video! I love the problem solving of everything! Very interesting! Can’t wait to see the next step 👊🏽
Crossing every finger I have, I’d love to do a conversion van with the hybrid powertrain kit. There’s so many work vans with clapped out powertrains, having the generator on board would be huge for both the recreation side of camper vans but also the actual tradesperson van side.
So what you're saying is, you need a crew cab ford to run a test fit on? 🤔 only kidding! Great breakdown! One heck of a concept and application.
I hope these are one day shrunk for the smaller trucks. I love my Ranger and would love to do something silly like this one day.
A diesel hybrid electric makes a lot of sense, And there is a massive market for it if you get it right. And it's not easy.
I have not yet heard anything about cost or the cost equation. It has to be significantly less than a new electric truck. With everything done by hand it's hard to compete with even $80k ev truck.
Then if your market consists of only people who won't give up their 1995 truck, it will be hard to convince them at any price.
Good luck guys
Rich i have a e90 bmw with a turbo ford barra in it all i did with the can when i took the engine and gearbox out was on the dme plug was loop the can high wires and loop the can low wires on the dme plug the rest of the can system did not know any difference and was happy so you might be able to do the same cheers from down under
Psh I can totally do this. You know, when I'm sleeping and dreaming of being good at anything in this video which is nothing.
Also that haul truck you drove to pick up the $1 truck, that's beautiful.
yes, they are all 8 bolt and 10 bolt, however:
*ford, chevy and dodge all had the same imperial 8x6.5 bolt pattern pre 99, but different hub diameters, so the rims are generally not compatible
*ford also had different hub diameters between the 16.5" rims and the 16" rims (early 80's) and also switched from lug centric to hub centric at that time.
*in 99 ford switched to metric 8x170mm again with a different hub size on their trucks, but kept 8x6.5 on their vans. i believe the other manufacturers did the same at some point, but again i believe the hub diameters are different.
*dodge and ford medium duty trucks have the same 10 bolt rims, but chevy has 8 bolt rims. also this 10 bolt is different from other medium duty and heavy duty trucks
so basically, if you want to have a 8 or 10 lug pattern on your axles you are either going to have to pick one and people will need to get new rims, or you will have to have a bunch of different patterns to fit different makes / years. it seems simple but it gets complicated, and i think that your idea of a bolt on pumpkin is probably the most logical way to proceed, and then people can just get the 6 bolt axle if they want a whole axle because they have to get new rims anyway, or have say a ford pattern because those are probably more common.