I completely agree with your outlook on humankind. It's shocking to me that many can't seem to understand this concept. Rather than appreciating the positive changes, people tend to focus on a handful of unfortunate events and use that as a justification to paint the world in a dismal hue.
I drive collectable cars that are between 25 annd 45 years old. I would LOVE to convert ALL of them. Just waiting for the installed price to get down to $7500.
They are affordable. You're building a car. Your comment alone tells me you've never completed a build before. When you're finished it's going to be around the same price of a new car if not more. The quality and the sense of accomplishment you get because you did it yourself is what compels people to build a vehicle not the affordability...
@@kendellmoore8367 Well yeah, but here's the thing: you're dealing with very high voltage and if you do something wrong, you can die! And while I'm sure there are plenty of MIT engineers and other quasi-geniuses out there, the typical person or even gear head can NOT simply do their own EV. These companies will sell you plenty of components but good luck getting everything programmed and working!!!!!! It's FAR FAR FAR from plug & play! So no, I've not completed a build and even though I can build a house and design some electrical circuits, I'm not capable or comfortable trying to do this on my own.
Remember that the room taken up by batteries is going to take some if not most storage space, RVs are typically pretty good about minimizing wasted space as they are. Also keep in mind that the uphill range loss is even worse in heavy vehicles. Not impossible, but something to keep in mind. Alternatively, this would make for possibly the best BLM roamer. Park in BLM land, charge over the course of 2 weeks, then go 20 miles over to your next spot
I think it would be a great conversion because a motorhome weighs half what a commercial bus does. Most people do not drive more than 300 miles in a day. Spend 2-3 days in an area recharging with your solar on the roof. Especially with todays gas prices.
@@specialopsdave I thought I'd put the batteries underneath, between the frame rails. Maybe give the whole rig a two inch lift to help keep clearances. I'm confident it can be done!
@@jimbojones9665 Interesting. Just be careful to remember that the frame flexes, so make sure the battery mounting hardware can flex too. Also consider undercarriage protection, so you can roam dirt roads out in BLM without worry; BLM lands are where I feel that setup would work best
I have an MG Midget that was converted to EV some years ago. It has eleven 12 v batteries wired in series and an electric motor from a forklift. It needs to be changed over to Li Ion for better range.
I'm glad that I bought my Chevy Bolt EUV before all this subscription nonsense got into GM. I do love the idea of "crate propulsion" to the EV market. The kit needs to be complete, that's important.
This is going to be a big deal in a few years. Once all the components are readily available as off the shelf and competitive, small enterprises will spring up that specialize in particular vehicles. Compact pickups... no longer available from manufacturers, plus conventional pickups should be obvious candidates. The real Ford Ranger... not the newer fakes... were once sold as fully electric back in the 90's as 'compliance' cars, mostly in California. Would love to see that come back big time. Way back when... like 1960... you could get engine repair packages for Volkswagens from Sears. Hopefully soon Amazon will be on this. Can't wait.
The components are readily available. It's determining where and how to install enough batteries to have a 100 mile range.. re-engineering the entire chassis to have room for batteries is not something your avg guy is set up to do. Anyone can pull out a engine and swap it to electric...but without batteries u have a electric paper weight.
@@kennedy6971 these systems are compact. The motor, controller, and some of the battery would fit in the engine compartment. After that, it is balancing the car by splitting the battery between the engine compartment, and where that gas tank used to be.
That is why older pickups are so much easier to deal with. Room between the frame rails or just make a new custom truck bed/box which is also the battery box. The stock ones are crap anyway. I used to make custom heavy duty truck beds and Rv puller decks.
Much harder in practice than it sounds - the devil is in the details. Brake servos that need manifold vacuum, aircon, heating, safe battery enclosures, interfacing with existing vehicle controls & instrumentation etc. etc....
@Dfin glide Like what, reliability???? I’ll keep my 20 year old truck that I can fix over a POS Tesla that if the touchscreen stops working, the whole car is garbage and you gotta drop thousands🤔🤔🤔
A company is converting Fiat 500s for about €6,000 in one day, and the French government is including such conversions in their €5,000 grants program. They specialize on a few smaller city cars, but they have the process down pat.
A rock solid conversion ICE to EV is a massive untapped market that would save the landfill scape yards from getting overwhelmed with ICE cars as EV ramp up to scale
Crate motors are for models of significance like a 1966 mustang or a pre unleaded petrol Holden. That would be prior to 1980. The manufacturers DO NOT want people to put EV motors in to anything less than ten years old. Preferably less than 25 years old. This is a marketing burp
If you have the money to spend, I suppose a crate EV package might be a thing to do with a lot of smaller model cars that tend to get overlooked. Might have the footprint of an inline-4 rather than a V-8. The more challenging part would be fitting the supporting components.
It needs to be a "complete kit" with selectable components (just like you customize PC's), motor, controller, battery, controls, key protection, crash sensing disable, possible cooling, etc...
indeed, drop in kits with motor and all auxillaries, eg elec vac pump, elec a/c compressor etc already hooked up with receiver for remote sensors such as throttle, brake, gyro etc . Plus battery pack in modular configurable set up to allow different installations / weight distributions Then the whole lot mass produced to get price down to sub $25k :)
It is not just dropping a electric motor under the hood. It is going to take major modifications for the battery, wiring, controls, and gauges. Will this include regenerative braking? Another major project.
Small market to be sure but maybe not trivial. A lot of gear heads spend 10's of thousands customizing or hotroding old cars. Had neighbor with his "Sunday driver" with $50k engine.
@Tron Jockey As the driveshaft is removed, the batteries can fit under the bed. I've got a Dodge Rampage front wheel drive trucklet that could be adapted that way.
My first EV was a 1956 VW bug with a Curtis controller and a bespoke DC motor. I replaced the batteries and sold it for a profit. With the proper batteries conversions are a good idea. However DC fast charging is a must. The only disadvantage of conversions. OEMs have that down. That said conversions are best with vehicles OEMs are reluctant to develop.
Hello Lawrence I remember u from the evdl form many years ago. How does it feel being an old time EV driver with the new EV driver crowd that seems to think they're the first ones to come up with this. It's funny how fast the pioneers from the past r forgotten . that seems to be life we move on things get better and those that had just crawl and inch their way up the ladder are completely forgotten.
@@steveclunn8165 You were a little better at converting vehicles than me. Since having a Leaf of one sort or another for almost a decade for what I paid ($28k for a Used 2013 and a new 2016 Leaf) I couldn't make two better functioning EVs than what I could purchase. I only converted because at the time there was no better option...however with all the new hardware out there....maybe...A van would be nice.
@@LawrenceRhodes looking back it seems like things have developed quickly but while we were living at that time waiting for better batteries better motor controllers Etc things seem to be moving quite slow. I kind of feel like the best times to be in electric cars as a hobby was the past and the best time to just buy one as you would a normal car is right now.
To replace an ICE it needs to include a vacuum pump to feed? the power brake booster, a power steering pump, and a sold state alternator (DCDC converter) to make 13Volts to run the accessories. Package that together and you have an actual replacement engine. Of course a heat pump is needed to provide cabin heating and cooling. Conversions that actually work are very complex and expensive.
Been there, done that. I converted a VW Rabbit to electric. The result was a perfectly usable car. With today's battery tech, it could be so much better. But, that said, you lose so much. EVs are designed for the torque curve of an electric motor (i.e., no transmission), has accessories (e.g., vacuum pump, A/C) that don't require the motor to be spinning, ... Sure, you can convert a classic car to electric but if you want something to drive every day, shop for something new.
There are all manner of electric driven accessories that can be installed. Ultimately though if the car is old there will be a lot of work and cost to add in everything you might need.
I'd get a cheap new electric car instead of looking to convert an old vehicle to electric b/c that'd still be plenty of other components to repair down the road on an old car thus making a lot more sense in my mind to only convert nice classic cars.
I do quite a lot of ebike conversions, granted there is much less involved but the premise and utility of conversions is absolute Gold! Huge future market where I predict EV conversion shops in every town and city.
Ford's "crate motor" being sold without an inverter or software is like selling an ICE crate engine without the pistons and valves. It's also the exact same motor in the mach-e.
Yes! The other critical components like batteries, a battery management system and some main computer to tie it all together is also missing. It's vaporware
I built a 911 from a retired track car with a p85d motor. The car was amazing when conpleted. Very fast. The owner, a Porsche collector, said "This isn't just the fastest Porsche I have ever been in, this is the fastest car I have ever been in!". Took about 4 months to complete. No cutting or modifying the car body at all. Everything was made to bolt in without drilling or welding the vehicle.
Hoping the tech improves and more shops getting into EV conversion business so labor rates are lowered, that the prices will come down also. Perhaps even a federal incentive in future.
I converted my 1997 s-10 15 years ago and it lasted 13,000 miles before the 24 6 volt lead acid batteries was toast and my 2013 volt lasted 24,000 miles before it had 2 weak cells, but I got GM to give me one section of battery, but the dealership charge me 2,000 for the harness.
Can't wait to convert either my 56 Chevy car or 57 Chevy 1/2 ton to electric. Yes, exciting times to be alive! Exciting indeed!! Bill Regina, Saskatchewan Canada
As an admirer of EVs with a passion for classic cars, this is a fantastic move. EV conversions have been an exciting option to improve the refinement, reliability and performance for many decades. Kits and packaged solutions are a very welcome development. But the prices are insane. This only makes sense for very high end classics. But what about the guy who loves his mk1 golf or Capri or Commodore? These enthusiasts need to be catered for. When the Chinese offer a 150hp dc motor, controller and reduction gearbox along with a 20 kwh LiFePo battery kit, they'll sell 100 times as many kits.
EV conversions to classic cars is very popular in the Seattle / Portland area. Parts can be a problem though, but Fantastic idea GM - BTW make them in AMERICA, please.
It’s in my best interest as a former Mechanic and am electrician now to have electrical car. However I know better. It’s a pipe dream with today’s battery’s storage. Ppl don’t look at the full picture. There’s more damage done to the environment with an electric car then gas. All you need to do is look at the birth to death of a car. It’s a tragedy the we’re being misled by our govt and so to speak science individuals. Non of these ppl ever get their hands dirty but we’re supposed to believe their looking out for us.
I refuse to pay any subscription services on cars! If the cars come with an engine, then after purchase I don't expect to continue to pay every month for licensing fees. 👎🤷♂
Replacing a 911 engine with an electric motor is sacrilege. But there are some cars where the engine was garbage to begin with. DeLorean comes to mind. But, just a reminder, the CO2 that will go into making the motor, mining the copper and lithium transporting them to the factory and then on to you will be a wash compared to keeping an old motor built 30+ years ago running. But if you prefer electric and think its slick... more power to ya! Choice makes life great!!
I need a 300hp 250-300mile range kit for a 1973 240z that does not weigh more than the original motor/tranny/gas tank setup and is less than $40K and bolts right in. If they can do that then I will admit that they are some badass engineers. Either we figure this out, or all classic cars become new metal ingots or museum pieces by 2030.
I was toying with notion of buying wrecked Tesla to convert my custom service truck yrs ago, but that's a daunting project. (want 3-phase 440V output, etc.) Trouble is the custom part is extremely expensive and not likely adaptable to an EV chassis anytime soon if ever.
@Rob Bailey If your actually interested in “Sustainability” and “Clean energy” 1 nuclear station can power 10 million homes and last 100 yrs.......... Or 1 solar panel can supply 100watts of power and 1 wind turbine can supply 1000 homes and solar and wind last on average 25yrs then they are buried in landfills........ which one do you need more of to achieve MAX energy output?????
@@LibertyOrD___h I'm all for nuclear power. It's a great addition to the energy mix, the problem is the upfront cost and the timeline. It's in the neighborhood of $5 billion and 10 years. So we need major public investment and we need to start yesterday. As for solar panels, the silicon and metals are close to 100% recyclable. As the industry ramps up, there's going to be incentives to avoid throwing them in landfills. Still, landfills aren't the leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions. We need to shift the world economies off of petroleum.
@@LibertyOrD___h so what are you going to do with the nuclear waste that each plant generates and you'll need to store for a couple of thousand years long after the plant that generated that waste is gone?
Hey, image is GM dealers started offering the entire conversion in the service bay! This could be a huge money maker. They could make more off this and selling a new car.
I have had a Chevy Bolty since 2020, and I'm forced the have OnStar, MyChevrolet and a Mobile Internet subcription ($59.90/month) just so I can contact and maintain my car-- all this is free on my Tesla.
Take a look at Edison motors. They're out of Canada. Couple of youngsters are building e-axles that will trade out for the original axles on off-road lumber trucks. They're huge. They're also able to trade out axles on business trucks, e450 size to wheel or four-wheel drive and set it up with or without a diesel generator backup. Surprising what a couple of people highly motivated can put together when the big automakers in the United States are sitting on their hands
Where do the batteries go and what are the options? Maybe this is the worst-case scenario, but I have had four Jeep GCs (5.9, 4.7, 5.7 HEMI, 5.7 HEMI). The complex All-wheel drive system sent them to the junkyard between 165k mi and 200k mi. The engines never failed. I don't know who these kits are for but putting even a $55k electric drivetrain in a $10k car doesn't sound feasible. There is a Chinese company that builds retro American cars on a BYD skateboard for less cost. I would go with one of those.
Its a brilliant idea Viking and may enable the owners of perfecly good ICE cars to keep them at relatively low cost to buying a new EV, What's needed is a limited range of adaptor plates being mass produced along with the motor/gearbox spline coupling matching the adaptor. The company that does that will have a massive success on its hands as they can produce low-cost composite battery boxes to go with the relevant car & adaptors to house 4780 Tesla cells, soon to be available.
batteries are still and issue. I would need a small group of cells that could be positioned in different parts of the car. maybe an e-motor to connect directly to the rear axle and a battery pack where the engine was?
Thanks for the news! Can't believe Ford had an electric crate motor for sale and this is the first time I'm hearing about it. They should pay you to advertise these things.
For the GM and Ford conversion kits to work they need to be kits with all the bits 'n bobs to just bolt on. A lot of old pickups, especially suited for conversion, are moldering away in Southern US junk yards and forgotten fields because their motors and trans wore out but the rest of the chassis are sound. Make the kit, perhaps outside of the battery pack, under $5k-$10k and a lot of people will convert these older vehicles in their home garage on the weekends.
This is Gadget from the documentary revenge of the electric car. I have been doing conversions for about two decades now. If Ford and GM want to make motors available for conversions of old cars, they’ll need to make something that works with an old car. What I’ve been doing so far is either swapping in a whole Tesla drive and suspension into an old car or making an modification to a Tesla drive so that I can connect it to an existing driveshaft. So far what I’ve seen with the Eluminator from Ford is that they are mounting the unit into a Tesla suspension and then spending an additional $20,000 on an inverter. The big car companies are really going to have to step up since you can purchase a slightly used Tesla drivetrain with suspension for less than $6000. Or the drive unit with inverter for around 3500.
I'm not sure where those numbers come from but here in Australia I can convert a VW Bug for around $35,000 in components. I can convert my 1987 Mercedes 300e W124 for around $55,000 based on the motors and range I want. (around 250km). The high end cost stuff is when you start using motors like ReVolt where they have taken a Tesla large drive unit which is a transaxle design and rebuilt it into an inline drop in motor for classic muscle cars delivering power to the original diff. Those are expensive but not the only option. Swapping in a Tesla rear motor AND subframe is a lot cheaper. It is also very popular to swap in a Nissen Leaf motor which has 214HP (160kw) which is no slouch in most conversions. Those motors are quite cheap. Here is a link to an absolute weapon of a muscle car using the Tesla subframe swap. It's Kevin Erikson's 'Electrolite' a Plymouth Satellite he converted himself for $50,000 USD and it is amazing! th-cam.com/video/8jFpvvK4fSE/w-d-xo.html
I had this idea years ago... Along with millions of other people, I'm sure. This would also employ all the mechanics that would be out of work when EVs take over, and save the energy required to produce all the cars on the road all over again.
Jack Rickard put a bit effor toward it... Jack sadly passed 2020.... EVmotorVerks.... Jack had an interesting life story, could see things a long way out. He started a magazine in the early 80's called Broardwatch, he had a feeling that ; 'this internet coulkd be a thing'
Its great to hear Sam, that the classic cars that we know and love can be reborn into an electric version and that now appears to be getting more traction. We have a great pioneer here in deepest West Wales (Electric Classic Cars...shout out). Moggy the owner has lead the way in the electric car conversion market for some time now and is doing a great job on anything from a Fiat 500 to a Ferrari of your choice. Unfortuantly the cost is really high at present and is generally done by the more well of. I see this market getting bigger and hopefully more affordable too as the electric transformation of transport takes over. I also think that all the sophisticated software will also slowly ripple down to the electric conversion market, so who knows we could be seeing Beetles and Aston Martins DB5's running around with FSD with a prompt from an app within the next decade. That's when Tesla take command and licence all the goodies!
The French company Transition One offers an EV conversion kit for about 7000-8000 euros (not counting subsidies). The battery (which replaces the gas tank) only has a 60 mile range, but another French company, EP Tender, is developing a portable trailer-tow battery that EV drivers can rent for occasional long trips. Seem like the best of both worlds: Low EV cost, low battery weight, and extended battery range if and when you need it.
I’d prefer to invest directly into a new EV vehicle. I’m sure the engine to e-motor conversion packs will have a place for enthusiasts and hobbyists for specialty vehicles but it’s not a main stream solution for the general population.
neither are ice crate motors .this is not a " solution" for the general population. it's for gearheads who would by a crate motor now may consider an electric crate motor. people who can't afford a new car will have to wait 10 - 15 years until there are an abundance of used electric vehicles .
The conversion of a Tesla into an internal combustion engine vehicle is much more interesting and get eyes rolling. Lookup "Taking Ice-T, the V8 Tesla, Out For a Spin" by Rich Rebuilds
Well I don't think my 22 year old ICE Monte Carlo would be worth putting in just an Electric motor even if the vehicle was compatible. The body does have some rust spots on it around the wheel wells. Be interesting to hear what the price would be to convert an ICE vehicle. It might be cheaper than buying a new EV outright, because in a new EV, we are also paying for all the fancy Electronic features. Be interesting where they would put the big battery on a Monte Carlo 2 door sports vehicle. LOL!!!! I still want my rear trunk space for golf clubs!!! My Monte Carlo still runs pretty good, so won't change it, and I do have a new Tesla model Y. Anyway, thanks for the info in this video.
I love the idea... wish I had a vehicle that would be worth doing this too. but a 1990 Ford F150 nor a 2008 Saturn Vue, are worth it. I will sell them off when I either get the Cyber truck or the Aptera. Waiting for either or both to come out.
Watching the whole video shows GM is not that committed to transition to EV.. Selling the crate motor without its associated components is making things difficult.
replace the transmission with an electric motor and replace the engine and accessories with LFP batteries, controller, and accessories. use the muffler and transmission inset and gas tank inset for batteries. use the gear shift to enable the parking brake, forward and reverse. neutral is still useful as well.
A friend of mine is putting a Tesla motor in his Porsche Cayman. He was going to go with the Ford motor, but the Tesla was cheaper and had many upsides.
Orrrrrrrr In my f100. Add front axle. Motor drives front. Engine rear. Coasting or slowing charges pack. Pack is smaller since also plug in and gas engine. Better mpg, huge HP increase, same old school sound and fun. Tons of torque available. And AWD.
This is pie in the sky.... the weight of the batteries will overwhelm any suspension if put in the trunk. Only a truck can handle the weight and not make handling a mess.
A conversion would be a great way to get around the EV/hybrid tax during registration although I'm sure that loophole will eventually be closed. Countries\States that do inspections will probably be first to close it.
The most import part of this is to standardize battery platforms across all vehicles to enable quick, easy and economical upgrade to ever increasingly higher battery technology.
GM has been working on these for years. Ford beat them to market but NOBODY wants to convert to electric here.Ford's E motor has been a complete flop and GM's will be too.
By flop, do you mean selling out in a matter of weeks? By no one wanting ev do you mean like Tesla selling increasing numbers year after year? I think what you mean is YOU don't want ev. And that's fine, it's not really suited for everyone. But I'm guessing you're an "America first" kinda guy...and guess how we gain true independence from foreign energy? Guess where the majority of ev startups are based?
I'm with ya there ... I'm planning a dual motor hybrid setup for my 01 monte (it would be very unexpected for the car) ... I won't go full electric ... and I'd rather do a tesla setup in front or 2 e motors for the front on the wheels like Koenigsegg with a Steve Morris motor for the rear ... I won't go with chevy ... I don't support their ceo and her ideas ... she is ruining the company ... hell I'd rather throw the Ford motor in than support them ... not to mention I don't trust the American evs right now ... I'll go with what has been proving itself over and over again
@@farewellvoyager5379 not trying to start a debate but what I took from it is (I could be wrong) he was talking about domestic and possibly full on electric ... I love electric motors they have their use but relying on the battery tech alone today is risky ... they have the punch to give good times but battery capacities are not good enough especially with real world charging times not to mention the cost ... now when they finally get into the solid state batteries or this new diamond tech tesla is working on it would be well worth it with a lot less risk I know the risk of water getting to the lithium is low but the possibility is there and that reaction is very violent Like I said i love what tesla is doing and I want to have a hybrid setup using a tesla motor in the front with an ICE motor in the back ... but I couldn't bring myself to go full ev with all the driving I do
@@gilbertwheeler160 like I said, ev's aren't for everybody. They are better suited to city commuters obviously. But I actually work in the automotive industry, and have my entire adult life. The range of an electric vehicle is often times comparable or better than an ICE. Charging may be an issue if you're on a cross country trip, but somehow there's a group of people who are under the false impression that it would be bad for our society to install electric charging stations throughout the country...I've met people who drive Tesla's on road trips, had no issue going thousands of miles, using the free charging stations, etc. Also, the impact of cost to charge an electric vehicle is grossly over stated, again by people with an agenda. I understand what you're saying, and it's inevitable that the technology will improve. But, I felt compelled to share some facts in the conversation since most of what was stated thus far was opinions.
I love it AND it’s accelerating the world to efficient transport. For less money from all parties. Think about the carbon NOT put in the biosphere because your reusing the OLD CAR ! Beautiful 👍✌️⚡️ Thanks Electric ⚡️ VIKING ! ⚡️⚡️⚡️
They need to make a hybrid kit like what was designed for the Corvette. 2 electric motors are installed on the front wheels and the battery is in the truck. The motors kick in when exiting corners or hard acceleration. It could also be done for all electric driving for short ranges. Add regenerative braking .
These conversions make classic cars commuters again. They become reliable once more and cost less to run than when they were new. They also have the performance to keep up with modern traffic. How cool would it be to daily an E type Jag or a ‘68 Continental?
@@hindesite you’re correct that classic cars are poorly designed for high impact collisions. However, it may be possible to retrofit ABS and ASM to help reduce the likelihood of a collision. You could choose to retrofit a younger classic like an e24 BMW 6 series for improved safety.
Absolutely, I have converted my 1998 Jaguar XJR and it is now my daily driver. I absolutely love it. I am getting 100 eMPG vs 16 MPG before. Not to mention maintenance aspects.
If it’s comparably priced to a full engine rebuild I’ll be doing it to my 1953 Chevrolet 3100 pickup. Mine needs an engine rebuild. I don’t drive it far bc it’s a death trap. No seat belts etc. But I do love to drive it 20-30 miles every so often and would love to have it electrified.
@@andrewslagle1974 It sounds like you're assuming I want to go 300-400 miles. I'm estimating it'd cost 3000-5000 (in today's prices) for the batteries I'd need for my intended purposes or 20-30 miles, 50 miles tops. It's not fun to drive an 50-plus-year-old car more than 50 miles without air conditioning in South Carolina. I don't recommend it.
We're still a LONG away from an affordable option. I have a 1966 Mustang 2+2 that I would love to convert to EV if I can get the equiv of 300lb/ft and an honest 125 mile range for $10K all in including batteries. That will happen as battery tech improves in both performance and cost, but we're not close yet.
The crate motor is new. BUT converting ICE to EV has been around for 10+ years. Meanwhile my converted trikes (cost $2,000 including lead acid batteries) in the Philippines are not allowed to be registered. So therefore we can't drive them. Hopefully this problem is limited to countries infamous for their corruption.
I recall how GM was in absolute panic mode when the Honda Accord first came out. The best they could do in response was the Citation (X-body). Anyone remember that? Or how about when diesel was the rage and GM’s response was to put new heads, fuel pump, and two batteries on an Impala. 4:08
It wont cost me that much. Im blessed to know how to work on anything that is motorized. An the skill to figure it out if I've never worked on a vehicle before.
I completely agree with your outlook on humankind. It's shocking to me that many can't seem to understand this concept. Rather than appreciating the positive changes, people tend to focus on a handful of unfortunate events and use that as a justification to paint the world in a dismal hue.
I drive collectable cars that are between 25 annd 45 years old. I would LOVE to convert ALL of them. Just waiting for the installed price to get down to $7500.
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Love the idea of conversation kits. They do need to make them affordable.
They are affordable. You're building a car. Your comment alone tells me you've never completed a build before. When you're finished it's going to be around the same price of a new car if not more. The quality and the sense of accomplishment you get because you did it yourself is what compels people to build a vehicle not the affordability...
The Ford kit is comparable to swapping engines
@@kendellmoore8367 Well yeah, but here's the thing: you're dealing with very high voltage and if you do something wrong, you can die! And while I'm sure there are plenty of MIT engineers and other quasi-geniuses out there, the typical person or even gear head can NOT simply do their own EV. These companies will sell you plenty of components but good luck getting everything programmed and working!!!!!! It's FAR FAR FAR from plug & play! So no, I've not completed a build and even though I can build a house and design some electrical circuits, I'm not capable or comfortable trying to do this on my own.
We need better storage than lithium or kobalt, and better energy production than fossil fuels or coal.
@@erisgh0sted961 not gonna happen.
This is exactly what I want to do to my Winnebago. It's got a ton of room for a huge lithium pack, and plenty of room up top for solar.
Remember that the room taken up by batteries is going to take some if not most storage space, RVs are typically pretty good about minimizing wasted space as they are. Also keep in mind that the uphill range loss is even worse in heavy vehicles. Not impossible, but something to keep in mind.
Alternatively, this would make for possibly the best BLM roamer. Park in BLM land, charge over the course of 2 weeks, then go 20 miles over to your next spot
I think it would be a great conversion because a motorhome weighs half what a commercial bus does. Most people do not drive more than 300 miles in a day. Spend 2-3 days in an area recharging with your solar on the roof. Especially with todays gas prices.
@@specialopsdave I thought I'd put the batteries underneath, between the frame rails. Maybe give the whole rig a two inch lift to help keep clearances.
I'm confident it can be done!
@@jimbojones9665 Interesting. Just be careful to remember that the frame flexes, so make sure the battery mounting hardware can flex too. Also consider undercarriage protection, so you can roam dirt roads out in BLM without worry; BLM lands are where I feel that setup would work best
AtlisMotorVehicle has a platform just for this very purpose.
I have an MG Midget that was converted to EV some years ago. It has eleven 12 v batteries wired in series and an electric motor from a forklift. It needs to be changed over to Li Ion for better range.
Cool!
I've often thought a Mazda MX5 would also be a sweet little EV.
Have you checked BatteryHookUp? I purchased cells from them and they were inexpensive and decent quality, they have Ev modules also.
I'm glad that I bought my Chevy Bolt EUV before all this subscription nonsense got into GM. I do love the idea of "crate propulsion" to the EV market. The kit needs to be complete, that's important.
Thanks!
This is going to be a big deal in a few years. Once all the components are readily available as off the shelf and competitive, small enterprises will spring up that specialize in particular vehicles. Compact pickups... no longer available from manufacturers, plus conventional pickups should be obvious candidates. The real Ford Ranger... not the newer fakes... were once sold as fully electric back in the 90's as 'compliance' cars, mostly in California. Would love to see that come back big time. Way back when... like 1960... you could get engine repair packages for Volkswagens from Sears. Hopefully soon Amazon will be on this. Can't wait.
The components are readily available. It's determining where and how to install enough batteries to have a 100 mile range.. re-engineering the entire chassis to have room for batteries is not something your avg guy is set up to do. Anyone can pull out a engine and swap it to electric...but without batteries u have a electric paper weight.
@@kennedy6971 these systems are compact. The motor, controller, and some of the battery would fit in the engine compartment. After that, it is balancing the car by splitting the battery between the engine compartment, and where that gas tank used to be.
That is why older pickups are so much easier to deal with. Room between the frame rails or just make a new custom truck bed/box which is also the battery box. The stock ones are crap anyway. I used to make custom heavy duty truck beds and Rv puller decks.
Much harder in practice than it sounds - the devil is in the details. Brake servos that need manifold vacuum, aircon, heating, safe battery enclosures, interfacing with existing vehicle controls & instrumentation etc. etc....
It will also high light all of the shortcomings of the old technology.
@Dfin glide Like what, reliability???? I’ll keep my 20 year old truck that I can fix over a POS Tesla that if the touchscreen stops working, the whole car is garbage and you gotta drop thousands🤔🤔🤔
@@LibertyOrD___h I agree with what you say. E-motor kit to convert gas cars to EVs is EPIC STUPIDITY.
A company is converting Fiat 500s for about €6,000 in one day, and the French government is including such conversions in their €5,000 grants program. They specialize on a few smaller city cars, but they have the process down pat.
Name of the company?
GM had promised the Bolt EV powertrain as a crate engine for conversion projects and we never saw the light of this.
thank God
A rock solid conversion ICE to EV is a massive untapped market that would save the landfill scape yards from getting overwhelmed with ICE cars as EV ramp up to scale
Yamaha makes a great ev conversion motor package.. fyi
Might not be landfill fodder, hopefully crush them and melt them down if practical.
Crate motors are for models of significance like a 1966 mustang or a pre unleaded petrol Holden. That would be prior to 1980. The manufacturers DO NOT want people to put EV motors in to anything less than ten years old. Preferably less than 25 years old. This is a marketing burp
@@SunriseLAW Sounds good.
@@SunriseLAW if you love your ICE car, but live in a post ICE era, you’ll need conversion to keep that car you love/classic able to drive it.
If you have the money to spend, I suppose a crate EV package might be a thing to do with a lot of smaller model cars that tend to get overlooked. Might have the footprint of an inline-4 rather than a V-8. The more challenging part would be fitting the supporting components.
It needs to be a "complete kit" with selectable components (just like you customize PC's), motor, controller, battery, controls, key protection, crash sensing disable, possible cooling, etc...
$$$
EV West has some cool stuff
indeed, drop in kits with motor and all auxillaries, eg elec vac pump, elec a/c compressor etc already hooked up with receiver for remote sensors such as throttle, brake, gyro etc . Plus battery pack in modular configurable set up to allow different installations / weight distributions
Then the whole lot mass produced to get price down to sub $25k :)
It is not just dropping a electric motor under the hood. It is going to take major modifications for the battery, wiring, controls, and gauges. Will this include regenerative braking? Another major project.
E crate is good idea. More brands need to get into this.
May be easy to replace motor but fitting a battery pack and weight problems. I don’t see it happening other than one offs and a small market.
Small market to be sure but maybe not trivial. A lot of gear heads spend 10's of thousands customizing or hotroding old cars. Had neighbor with his "Sunday driver" with $50k engine.
I would only consider this for a light car where limited range is acceptable.
@Tron Jockey As the driveshaft is removed, the batteries can fit under the bed. I've got a Dodge Rampage front wheel drive trucklet that could be adapted that way.
My first EV was a 1956 VW bug with a Curtis controller and a bespoke DC motor. I replaced the batteries and sold it for a profit. With the proper batteries conversions are a good idea. However DC fast charging is a must. The only disadvantage of conversions. OEMs have that down. That said conversions are best with vehicles OEMs are reluctant to develop.
Hello Lawrence I remember u from the evdl form many years ago. How does it feel being an old time EV driver with the new EV driver crowd that seems to think they're the first ones to come up with this. It's funny how fast the pioneers from the past r forgotten . that seems to be life we move on things get better and those that had just crawl and inch their way up the ladder are completely forgotten.
@@steveclunn8165 You were a little better at converting vehicles than me. Since having a Leaf of one sort or another for almost a decade for what I paid ($28k for a Used 2013 and a new 2016 Leaf) I couldn't make two better functioning EVs than what I could purchase. I only converted because at the time there was no better option...however with all the new hardware out there....maybe...A van would be nice.
@@LawrenceRhodes looking back it seems like things have developed quickly but while we were living at that time waiting for better batteries better motor controllers Etc things seem to be moving quite slow. I kind of feel like the best times to be in electric cars as a hobby was the past and the best time to just buy one as you would a normal car is right now.
@@steveclunn8165 Yep.
To replace an ICE it needs to include a vacuum pump to feed? the power brake booster, a power steering pump, and a sold state alternator (DCDC converter) to make 13Volts to run the accessories. Package that together and you have an actual replacement engine. Of course a heat pump is needed to provide cabin heating and cooling. Conversions that actually work are very complex and expensive.
I'm into it, just been looking for the right motor. There isn't many great cost effective options for trucks.
Been there, done that. I converted a VW Rabbit to electric. The result was a perfectly usable car. With today's battery tech, it could be so much better. But, that said, you lose so much. EVs are designed for the torque curve of an electric motor (i.e., no transmission), has accessories (e.g., vacuum pump, A/C) that don't require the motor to be spinning, ... Sure, you can convert a classic car to electric but if you want something to drive every day, shop for something new.
There are all manner of electric driven accessories that can be installed. Ultimately though if the car is old there will be a lot of work and cost to add in everything you might need.
I'd get a cheap new electric car instead of looking to convert an old vehicle to electric b/c that'd still be plenty of other components to repair down the road on an old car thus making a lot more sense in my mind to only convert nice classic cars.
I do quite a lot of ebike conversions, granted there is much less involved but the premise and utility of conversions is absolute Gold!
Huge future market where I predict EV conversion shops in every town and city.
I sure HOPE SO !!!! I want to keep all my older cars as long as I can.
Thanks for highlighting this option,
Ford's "crate motor" being sold without an inverter or software is like selling an ICE crate engine without the pistons and valves. It's also the exact same motor in the mach-e.
Yes! The other critical components like batteries, a battery management system and some main computer to tie it all together is also missing. It's vaporware
I built a 911 from a retired track car with a p85d motor. The car was amazing when conpleted. Very fast. The owner, a Porsche collector, said "This isn't just the fastest Porsche I have ever been in, this is the fastest car I have ever been in!". Took about 4 months to complete. No cutting or modifying the car body at all. Everything was made to bolt in without drilling or welding the vehicle.
great topic. I would like to convert my crwn vic. But not at those prices
Hoping the tech improves and more shops getting into EV conversion business so labor rates are lowered, that the prices will come down also.
Perhaps even a federal incentive in future.
I converted my 1997 s-10 15 years ago and it lasted 13,000 miles before the 24 6 volt lead acid batteries was toast and my 2013 volt lasted 24,000 miles before it had 2 weak cells, but I got GM to give me one section of battery, but the dealership charge me 2,000 for the harness.
Can't wait to convert either my 56 Chevy car or 57 Chevy 1/2 ton to electric. Yes, exciting times to be alive! Exciting indeed!!
Bill
Regina, Saskatchewan
Canada
As an admirer of EVs with a passion for classic cars, this is a fantastic move. EV conversions have been an exciting option to improve the refinement, reliability and performance for many decades. Kits and packaged solutions are a very welcome development. But the prices are insane. This only makes sense for very high end classics. But what about the guy who loves his mk1 golf or Capri or Commodore? These enthusiasts need to be catered for. When the Chinese offer a 150hp dc motor, controller and reduction gearbox along with a 20 kwh LiFePo battery kit, they'll sell 100 times as many kits.
Appreciate the positive energy!
Excellent idea! And actually greener to reuse old vehicles.
Yes...there is a lot of pollution generated when fabbing a brnd new car...no matter if it is ICE, EV or FCEV.
Transition One in France is doing this for the bottom end of the market - you can convert a basic car to an EV for about 5000 euros.
EV conversions to classic cars is very popular in the Seattle / Portland area. Parts can be a problem though, but Fantastic idea GM - BTW make them in AMERICA, please.
It’s in my best interest as a former Mechanic and am electrician now to have electrical car. However I know better. It’s a pipe dream with today’s battery’s storage. Ppl don’t look at the full picture. There’s more damage done to the environment with an electric car then gas. All you need to do is look at the birth to death of a car. It’s a tragedy the we’re being misled by our govt and so to speak science individuals. Non of these ppl ever get their hands dirty but we’re supposed to believe their looking out for us.
I refuse to pay any subscription services on cars! If the cars come with an engine, then after purchase I don't expect to continue to pay every month for licensing fees. 👎🤷♂
Replacing a 911 engine with an electric motor is sacrilege. But there are some cars where the engine was garbage to begin with. DeLorean comes to mind. But, just a reminder, the CO2 that will go into making the motor, mining the copper and lithium transporting them to the factory and then on to you will be a wash compared to keeping an old motor built 30+ years ago running. But if you prefer electric and think its slick... more power to ya! Choice makes life great!!
I need a 300hp 250-300mile range kit for a 1973 240z that does not weigh more than the original motor/tranny/gas tank setup and is less than $40K and bolts right in. If they can do that then I will admit that they are some badass engineers. Either we figure this out, or all classic cars become new metal ingots or museum pieces by 2030.
I'm hoping the solid-state battery I've been hearing about from I think Toyota can actually hit Market by 2028.
I want a vehicle that is basic without any extras except AC and power windows and a great stereo system
Thank you, Fred Flintstone.
I was toying with notion of buying wrecked Tesla to convert my custom service truck yrs ago, but that's a daunting project. (want 3-phase 440V output, etc.)
Trouble is the custom part is extremely expensive and not likely adaptable to an EV chassis anytime soon if ever.
I have a '59 Chevy PU, can't wait to get this!
Absolutely love this idea. The easier it can be made to convert old cars to electric, the better for all of us.
All this electrification is pointless unless we build nuclear power plants..........
@@LibertyOrD___h Cheaper, easier, and shorter runway to deploy solar and wind. Solar is now the cheapest source of energy in human history.
@Rob Bailey If your actually interested in “Sustainability” and “Clean energy” 1 nuclear station can power 10 million homes and last 100 yrs.......... Or 1 solar panel can supply 100watts of power and 1 wind turbine can supply 1000 homes and solar and wind last on average 25yrs then they are buried in landfills........ which one do you need more of to achieve MAX energy output?????
@@LibertyOrD___h I'm all for nuclear power. It's a great addition to the energy mix, the problem is the upfront cost and the timeline. It's in the neighborhood of $5 billion and 10 years. So we need major public investment and we need to start yesterday.
As for solar panels, the silicon and metals are close to 100% recyclable. As the industry ramps up, there's going to be incentives to avoid throwing them in landfills. Still, landfills aren't the leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions. We need to shift the world economies off of petroleum.
@@LibertyOrD___h so what are you going to do with the nuclear waste that each plant generates and you'll need to store for a couple of thousand years long after the plant that generated that waste is gone?
Great idea that is economically responsible for the good of the world.
Hey, image is GM dealers started offering the entire conversion in the service bay! This could be a huge money maker. They could make more off this and selling a new car.
Bollocks.
I have had a Chevy Bolty since 2020, and I'm forced the have OnStar, MyChevrolet and a Mobile Internet subcription ($59.90/month) just so I can contact and maintain my car-- all this is free on my Tesla.
Well, a few years have gone by & neither FORD or GM seem to have done a thing, except move a bit closer to insolvency!
Take a look at Edison motors. They're out of Canada. Couple of youngsters are building e-axles that will trade out for the original axles on off-road lumber trucks. They're huge. They're also able to trade out axles on business trucks, e450 size to wheel or four-wheel drive and set it up with or without a diesel generator backup. Surprising what a couple of people highly motivated can put together when the big automakers in the United States are sitting on their hands
Where do the batteries go and what are the options?
Maybe this is the worst-case scenario, but I have had four Jeep GCs (5.9, 4.7, 5.7 HEMI, 5.7 HEMI). The complex All-wheel drive system sent them to the junkyard between 165k mi and 200k mi. The engines never failed. I don't know who these kits are for but putting even a $55k electric drivetrain in a $10k car doesn't sound feasible.
There is a Chinese company that builds retro American cars on a BYD skateboard for less cost. I would go with one of those.
Its a brilliant idea Viking and may enable the owners of perfecly good ICE cars to keep them at relatively low cost to buying a new EV, What's needed is a limited range of adaptor plates being mass produced along with the motor/gearbox spline coupling matching the adaptor. The company that does that will have a massive success on its hands as they can produce low-cost composite battery boxes to go with the relevant car & adaptors to house 4780 Tesla cells, soon to be available.
We have it in Germany, also a lot for small trucks, but the prices are so high that it makes no sense to convert.
batteries are still and issue. I would need a small group of cells that could be positioned in different parts of the car. maybe an e-motor to connect directly to the rear axle and a battery pack where the engine was?
Thanks for the news! Can't believe Ford had an electric crate motor for sale and this is the first time I'm hearing about it. They should pay you to advertise these things.
For the GM and Ford conversion kits to work they need to be kits with all the bits 'n bobs to just bolt on. A lot of old pickups, especially suited for conversion, are moldering away in Southern US junk yards and forgotten fields because their motors and trans wore out but the rest of the chassis are sound. Make the kit, perhaps outside of the battery pack, under $5k-$10k and a lot of people will convert these older vehicles in their home garage on the weekends.
This is Gadget from the documentary revenge of the electric car. I have been doing conversions for about two decades now. If Ford and GM want to make motors available for conversions of old cars, they’ll need to make something that works with an old car. What I’ve been doing so far is either swapping in a whole Tesla drive and suspension into an old car or making an modification to a Tesla drive so that I can connect it to an existing driveshaft. So far what I’ve seen with the Eluminator from Ford is that they are mounting the unit into a Tesla suspension and then spending an additional $20,000 on an inverter. The big car companies are really going to have to step up since you can purchase a slightly used Tesla drivetrain with suspension for less than $6000. Or the drive unit with inverter for around 3500.
I'm not sure where those numbers come from but here in Australia I can convert a VW Bug for around $35,000 in components. I can convert my 1987 Mercedes 300e W124 for around $55,000 based on the motors and range I want. (around 250km). The high end cost stuff is when you start using motors like ReVolt where they have taken a Tesla large drive unit which is a transaxle design and rebuilt it into an inline drop in motor for classic muscle cars delivering power to the original diff. Those are expensive but not the only option. Swapping in a Tesla rear motor AND subframe is a lot cheaper. It is also very popular to swap in a Nissen Leaf motor which has 214HP (160kw) which is no slouch in most conversions. Those motors are quite cheap. Here is a link to an absolute weapon of a muscle car using the Tesla subframe swap. It's Kevin Erikson's 'Electrolite' a Plymouth Satellite he converted himself for $50,000 USD and it is amazing! th-cam.com/video/8jFpvvK4fSE/w-d-xo.html
I had this idea years ago... Along with millions of other people, I'm sure. This would also employ all the mechanics that would be out of work when EVs take over, and save the energy required to produce all the cars on the road all over again.
Jack Rickard put a bit effor toward it... Jack sadly passed 2020.... EVmotorVerks.... Jack had an interesting life story, could see things a long way out. He started a magazine in the early 80's called Broardwatch, he had a feeling that ; 'this internet coulkd be a thing'
I love the idea.
Its great to hear Sam, that the classic cars that we know and love can be reborn into an electric version and that now appears to be getting more traction. We have a great pioneer here in deepest West Wales (Electric Classic Cars...shout out). Moggy the owner has lead the way in the electric car conversion market for some time now and is doing a great job on anything from a Fiat 500 to a Ferrari of your choice. Unfortuantly the cost is really high at present and is generally done by the more well of. I see this market getting bigger and hopefully more affordable too as the electric transformation of transport takes over.
I also think that all the sophisticated software will also slowly ripple down to the electric conversion market, so who knows we could be seeing Beetles and Aston Martins DB5's running around with FSD with a prompt from an app within the next decade. That's when Tesla take command and licence all the goodies!
If every car, truck,bus is electric????Where is all this electric coming from???
If we all start plugging in more things, our energy providers will produce more power for the demand. It will take time, but it will happen.
Yea, not many people are paying $40k for EV parts. Only the rich.
GM is the enthusiast’s car company
The French company Transition One offers an EV conversion kit for about 7000-8000 euros (not counting subsidies). The battery (which replaces the gas tank) only has a 60 mile range, but another French company, EP Tender, is developing a portable trailer-tow battery that EV drivers can rent for occasional long trips. Seem like the best of both worlds: Low EV cost, low battery weight, and extended battery range if and when you need it.
I like the notion of a conversion kits. This helps manufacturers on the scale front. Battery technology will continue to improve with scale.
I love my regular cab 04 Silverado and if I could have an affordable way to convert it to EV, I would do it in a HEARTBEAT!!! :)
I’d prefer to invest directly into a new EV vehicle. I’m sure the engine to e-motor conversion packs will have a place for enthusiasts and hobbyists for specialty vehicles but it’s not a main stream solution for the general population.
neither are ice crate motors .this is not a " solution" for the general population. it's for gearheads who would by a crate motor now may consider an electric crate motor. people who can't afford a new car will have to wait 10 - 15 years until there are an abundance of used electric vehicles .
@@ronblack7870 not if the batteries are dead.
The conversion of a Tesla into an internal combustion engine vehicle is much more interesting and get eyes rolling.
Lookup "Taking Ice-T, the V8 Tesla, Out For a Spin" by Rich Rebuilds
I’ve never heard of this before … that’s the greatest thing I’ve ever seen.
I have wondered for years why they aren’t available for a realistic price.
Well I don't think my 22 year old ICE Monte Carlo would be worth putting in just an Electric motor even if the vehicle was compatible. The body does have some rust spots on it around the wheel wells. Be interesting to hear what the price would be to convert an ICE vehicle.
It might be cheaper than buying a new EV outright, because in a new EV, we are also paying for all the fancy Electronic features. Be interesting where they would put the big battery on a Monte Carlo 2 door sports vehicle. LOL!!!! I still want my rear trunk space for golf clubs!!!
My Monte Carlo still runs pretty good, so won't change it, and I do have a new Tesla model Y.
Anyway, thanks for the info in this video.
70 grand for 291 hp forget about it . They have lost there minds.
I love the idea... wish I had a vehicle that would be worth doing this too. but a 1990 Ford F150 nor a 2008 Saturn Vue, are worth it. I will sell them off when I either get the Cyber truck or the Aptera. Waiting for either or both to come out.
This is what will take off in Asia. I for one ordered an EV converaion kit for my mini pick up to EV.. So excited to received the kit in 2 months.
Watching the whole video shows GM is not that committed to transition to EV.. Selling the crate motor without its associated components is making things difficult.
It is a great idea!
Hello from Detroit.
how is this working out ??
replace the transmission with an electric motor and replace the engine and accessories with LFP batteries, controller, and accessories. use the muffler and transmission inset and gas tank inset for batteries. use the gear shift to enable the parking brake, forward and reverse. neutral is still useful as well.
Now that I have seen it done on the ford I am all for it.
A friend of mine is putting a Tesla motor in his Porsche Cayman. He was going to go with the Ford motor, but the Tesla was cheaper and had many upsides.
I have great confidence in the ability of GM to take this concept and f*** it beyond any possibility of human recognition. Consider the EV-1. etc.
Absolutely love the idea I want to convert my car but don't know where to get it done.
thanks for doing what you do for us.... I learn a lot from you!!
Orrrrrrrr
In my f100. Add front axle. Motor drives front. Engine rear. Coasting or slowing charges pack. Pack is smaller since also plug in and gas engine. Better mpg, huge HP increase, same old school sound and fun.
Tons of torque available. And AWD.
Sweet. Make sure it fits in a Fiero.
All these old vehicles will run on modern E-fuels. Availability /cost is an issue but a lot cheaper than battery conversion.
This is pie in the sky.... the weight of the batteries will overwhelm any suspension if put in the trunk. Only a truck can handle the weight and not make handling a mess.
Yes Logan,, care taken where/ how much weight is placed . If range is kept to city commute, can be done.
A conversion would be a great way to get around the EV/hybrid tax during registration although I'm sure that loophole will eventually be closed. Countries\States that do inspections will probably be first to close it.
Thanks for the reminder of how great it is to be alive @ this point in time.
I text a friend something I’m grateful for every morning.
The most import part of this is to standardize battery platforms across all vehicles to enable quick, easy and economical upgrade to ever increasingly higher battery technology.
GM has been working on these for years. Ford beat them to market but NOBODY wants to convert to electric here.Ford's E motor has been a complete flop and GM's will be too.
By flop, do you mean selling out in a matter of weeks? By no one wanting ev do you mean like Tesla selling increasing numbers year after year? I think what you mean is YOU don't want ev. And that's fine, it's not really suited for everyone. But I'm guessing you're an "America first" kinda guy...and guess how we gain true independence from foreign energy? Guess where the majority of ev startups are based?
I'm with ya there ... I'm planning a dual motor hybrid setup for my 01 monte (it would be very unexpected for the car) ... I won't go full electric ... and I'd rather do a tesla setup in front or 2 e motors for the front on the wheels like Koenigsegg with a Steve Morris motor for the rear ... I won't go with chevy ... I don't support their ceo and her ideas ... she is ruining the company ... hell I'd rather throw the Ford motor in than support them ... not to mention I don't trust the American evs right now ... I'll go with what has been proving itself over and over again
@@gilbertwheeler160 Tesla IS an American ev...
@@farewellvoyager5379 not trying to start a debate but what I took from it is (I could be wrong) he was talking about domestic and possibly full on electric ... I love electric motors they have their use but relying on the battery tech alone today is risky ... they have the punch to give good times but battery capacities are not good enough especially with real world charging times not to mention the cost ... now when they finally get into the solid state batteries or this new diamond tech tesla is working on it would be well worth it with a lot less risk
I know the risk of water getting to the lithium is low but the possibility is there and that reaction is very violent
Like I said i love what tesla is doing and I want to have a hybrid setup using a tesla motor in the front with an ICE motor in the back ... but I couldn't bring myself to go full ev with all the driving I do
@@gilbertwheeler160 like I said, ev's aren't for everybody. They are better suited to city commuters obviously. But I actually work in the automotive industry, and have my entire adult life. The range of an electric vehicle is often times comparable or better than an ICE. Charging may be an issue if you're on a cross country trip, but somehow there's a group of people who are under the false impression that it would be bad for our society to install electric charging stations throughout the country...I've met people who drive Tesla's on road trips, had no issue going thousands of miles, using the free charging stations, etc. Also, the impact of cost to charge an electric vehicle is grossly over stated, again by people with an agenda. I understand what you're saying, and it's inevitable that the technology will improve. But, I felt compelled to share some facts in the conversation since most of what was stated thus far was opinions.
I love it AND it’s accelerating the world to efficient transport. For less money from all parties. Think about the carbon NOT put in the biosphere because your reusing the OLD CAR ! Beautiful 👍✌️⚡️
Thanks Electric ⚡️ VIKING ! ⚡️⚡️⚡️
They need to make a hybrid kit like what was designed for the Corvette. 2 electric motors are installed on the front wheels and the battery is in the truck. The motors kick in when exiting corners or hard acceleration. It could also be done for all electric driving for short ranges. Add regenerative braking .
These conversions make classic cars commuters again. They become reliable once more and cost less to run than when they were new. They also have the performance to keep up with modern traffic. How cool would it be to daily an E type Jag or a ‘68 Continental?
Great. if you want to totally ignore the safety issues.
@@hindesite you’re correct that classic cars are poorly designed for high impact collisions. However, it may be possible to retrofit ABS and ASM to help reduce the likelihood of a collision. You could choose to retrofit a younger classic like an e24 BMW 6 series for improved safety.
Absolutely, I have converted my 1998 Jaguar XJR and it is now my daily driver. I absolutely love it. I am getting 100 eMPG vs 16 MPG before. Not to mention maintenance aspects.
@@ArtursGarage sounds awesome! An XJR is such a smooth, quiet refined ice car. With a motor it must be even smoother and quieter.
You know what it's actually pretty smart.
If it’s comparably priced to a full engine rebuild I’ll be doing it to my 1953 Chevrolet 3100 pickup. Mine needs an engine rebuild. I don’t drive it far bc it’s a death trap. No seat belts etc. But I do love to drive it 20-30 miles every so often and would love to have it electrified.
Thats just the motor the controls batteries etc will be 35/40k
@@andrewslagle1974 It sounds like you're assuming I want to go 300-400 miles. I'm estimating it'd cost 3000-5000 (in today's prices) for the batteries I'd need for my intended purposes or 20-30 miles, 50 miles tops. It's not fun to drive an 50-plus-year-old car more than 50 miles without air conditioning in South Carolina. I don't recommend it.
We're still a LONG away from an affordable option. I have a 1966 Mustang 2+2 that I would love to convert to EV if I can get the equiv of 300lb/ft and an honest 125 mile range for $10K all in including batteries. That will happen as battery tech improves in both performance and cost, but we're not close yet.
My 1978 Elcamio can cruze Woodward Ave in Detroit with electric cool. From Ontario Canada 50K from Gm building. Cheers
I would convert if I could afford to, I own a cascada.
My dad has a 81 Pontiac Trans Am,, the EV would breathe new life to it for sure
The crate motor is new. BUT converting ICE to EV has been around for 10+ years. Meanwhile my converted trikes (cost $2,000 including lead acid batteries) in the Philippines are not allowed to be registered. So therefore we can't drive them. Hopefully this problem is limited to countries infamous for their corruption.
I recall how GM was in absolute panic mode when the Honda Accord first came out. The best they could do in response was the Citation (X-body). Anyone remember that? Or how about when diesel was the rage and GM’s response was to put new heads, fuel pump, and two batteries on an Impala. 4:08
It wont cost me that much. Im blessed to know how to work on anything that is motorized. An the skill to figure it out if I've never worked on a vehicle before.