This has become so much more than just a gear head channel. Every episode is a master class in creative design and problem solving. The level of skill, knowledge, and innovative creativity is amazing and so satisfying to view, I'm addicted. Great job on your narration, and video editing; great flow and a joy to watch. I can't help but think you guys are the modern equivalent of the dozens of automotive pioneers of the early 1900's. Edison Motors is becoming the Henry Ford of modern hybrid/electric vehicle drive systems. My hope is Edison can remain independent and remain a North American company; and if they eventually get bought out that it not be by the Chinese.
i think its really fitting that the one frame came from bc, and the other from ontario, being welded together just like edison motors from bc and deboss garage from ontario
Extended Range Electric driver for 5 years (now @ 122k miles) on an i3 REx. Owners will be impressed with instant 1rpm torque, running costs 80% less than diesel, and how a small Cummns ICE generator will last forever if used this way. Regen brakes are just icing on the cake.
I can't wait to watch this all come together i know it's going to work great ! ALSO I STAND WITH MY CANADIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS AS I'M SURE MOST ON HERE DO . MAINE USA .
Seems odd that since it's common for Dodge/Ram frames to rust out in those low spots that repair centers and dealers don't offer a service to drill the weep holes and install cotter keys as mentioned.
Fascinating combination of DIY knowhow, prototyping and cutting edge tech - love this stuff and am looking forward to seeing the finished product. You have a dream job Mr. Rich!
awesome to see your proper prototyping process, this is what get missed in so much CAD stuff, it is the fitment and serviceability that leads to longevity.
Yeah I’ve said that from the start of this. There’s a lot of good 6.4 era trucks with blown motors and nice bodies that could be had at a decent price, perfect candidate for this swap! 👍
Awesome stuff happening on this channel! I can’t wait to see more updates on this. Imagine having a reliable fuel efficient diesel 4x4 that can doesn’t cost $80-100k 😂.
Rich! The Benz Mounts are notorious for failing within roughly 30-50k miles with just aluminum 4/6/8 cylinders, you may be rethinking this with a heavy cast iron diesel, but loving the videos
Diesel-electric drive systems are an old and proven concept. Modern freight train locomotives are diesel-electric, Westinghouse/LeTourneau built diesel-electric earth mo ving scrapers and loaders in the 1960s, Caterpillar build both a bulldozer and front loader that are diesel electric. The design challenge for auto/truck systems us to streamline the size and weight yet maintain durability.
What im looking for is an electric low end torque boosting hybrid differential. A standard ICE input shaft with an electric helper motor just fir getting off the line and regen. Probably wheel mounted motor/regen brakes makes the most sense. I love ICE performance but all the components struggle the most on that first torque getting the bofy in motion. If you can support that directly at the wheel hub with external force that would be huge on reducing engine size / torque and component wear.
Interesting idea, looking forward to results. Which 160hp engines of an "older" design could be used in place of this 2.8? Is there a common generator set that is the same kw? Many low hour standby 3ph generator sets are available; Detroit 2 strokes and old CATS are scrap prices, still like new and VERY reliable for decades.
Really cool engineering, but I wonder how feasible it's really going to be if it involves replacing this much? I was hoping envisioning it being all bolt on plug and play stuff. Remove the existing diffs and install front and rear motor pieces that bolt onto where the diff cover was maybe. And a generator that bolts onto the existing engine. Add plug and play control units that replace existing PCM and ECM, a battery, and it's done. I feel like if this much is needed it will end up costing more than is feasible for late model trucks. Brilliant ideas and I'm rooting for you. Just sharing my concerns in the hope to help.
That is still happening. Watch till the end. We have engineers working on adapting the kit to OEM engines, but this 2.8 first as it is less engineering to prove the rest of the kit
LOVE the Edison Blue..... Great work guys.....Keep it up. Please Looking forward to the opportunity as a US Resident, to be able to invest my money into Edison Motors and Rich's ingenuity. Keeping out the big financial companies is the best way for this to come to market in time and with Common Sense IMO.
So the electrified s110 will be the axles going in all of the pre-ordered swaps? And you WILL NOT need the stock axles from the donor truck? Am I understanding that correctly?
Curious would it make more sense to mount the generator on the front of the engine. I would be guessing that it's going to be a relatively common service part and you have all that space up front. I'm still watching the episode so it might be explained yet.
Then all your accesory drive parts are crammed into the firewall, intake/exhaust/coolant routing is backwards. Might as well take advantage of the space in the transmission tunnel.
Will retrofit shops be allowed to rerate GVWR? For example, if I bring in a '99 F250 with a GVWR of 8800, and you put electrified F450 axles under it, can the GVWR be officially rerated to 10,000 or higher?
Keep in mind with all the extra weight of the batteries, inverters, dc/dc converter, high voltage junction box, heaters, chillers, traction motors, and high voltage cables, you lose your total payload capacity. So your 3/4 ton truck is now a 1/2 ton truck pretty much
Some of the weight will be offset by the smaller and lighter engines, removal of Trans and axels. It may not be a solution for every person, but it will have it's place IMO. Consider the FACT that every kit owner would then have access to a Generator they can plug into their house when needed.
That's why we will be doing all the testing in a closed environment dyno simulation. Then pulling an airstream from Ontario to BC. I won't sell anything I don't believe in
Smaller engine, generator will almost certainly be lighter than the transmission, no driveline, fuel is the same before and after retrofit. Controllers are going to be negligible. So you have to make up the difference of the electric motors to the differential on the rear axle, then add batteries which eats into the savings on the motor, transmission, and driveline. If it's heavier its no by much, and on a bigger service truck that doesn't need to carry an extra generator for power tools or compressors, you are way ahead. Maybe some vehicles don't make sense, but no solution solves every problem.
why don't they make the consumer version of the 2.8 Cummins an Aluminum block? if they did that with the old 3208 it would take more then 1000 pounds off the GVRW, that's nearly +4mpg. "have to use stainless cylinder sleeves"... +4mpg over 300'000 miles is another $30~60k per unit/mileage/w'rebuilds/+use that the government doesn't have to sublimate over whatever nonsense the buyer thinks they are doing to make an income. taxes in a society that doesn't pay them ⬆ forced to work around it.
So ill ask it. How hard is this or these projects going to be hit with the tariffs trump put out and then the American tariffs that justin put out in response...seems like the times lines for all this is in question now.
Going to miss the old DeBoss shop and his old car projects. Honestly who is going to spend $40k-$80 plus to swap an electric electric engine and electric axles that all needs to be customized ? And being an older truck its going to have worn, rusty and broken parts along the way. It's very labor intensive. Didn't he even say the engine was a miniumn $10k alone ?
About 4000 pre-orders. If you are still in the same place you were a year ago in thr land of opportunities, you wasted a year of your life. I'm proud of everything I accomplished and looking forward to what could be.
Money shot @11:50 haha. So cool!!! Really hope I can still get one of these in Texas even though our .gov is trying their best to burn everything to the ground
Seeing Canadian ingenuity, hard work and common sense hits just alittle harder today. Keep it up we're all in this together 🇨🇦
We will get through it all
This has become so much more than just a gear head channel. Every episode is a master class in creative design and problem solving. The level of skill, knowledge, and innovative creativity is amazing and so satisfying to view, I'm addicted. Great job on your narration, and video editing; great flow and a joy to watch. I can't help but think you guys are the modern equivalent of the dozens of automotive pioneers of the early 1900's. Edison Motors is becoming the Henry Ford of modern hybrid/electric vehicle drive systems. My hope is Edison can remain independent and remain a North American company; and if they eventually get bought out that it not be by the Chinese.
Wow, thank you very much for that. Much appreciated!
We need to support these CANADIAN innovators. Viva la 🇨🇦
We can, just become American!
@ not sure where your from but many young men in my family died for this country. Troll on
I have tried to invest into Edison but as an American it’s very hard to
@keynanwright57 It would be much easier as an American company
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i think its really fitting that the one frame came from bc, and the other from ontario, being welded together just like edison motors from bc and deboss garage from ontario
Never thought about that lol
Extended Range Electric driver for 5 years (now @ 122k miles) on an i3 REx.
Owners will be impressed with instant 1rpm torque, running costs 80% less than diesel, and how a small Cummns ICE generator will last forever if used this way.
Regen brakes are just icing on the cake.
Our thoughts exactly. Thanks for the real world testimony
I can't wait to watch this all come together i know it's going to work great ! ALSO I STAND WITH MY CANADIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS AS I'M SURE MOST ON HERE DO . MAINE USA .
Can't wait for small truck conversion kits somewhere down the line. Our s10's, rangers and hard bodies are all in desperate need of saving!
I really appreciate the frame repair. Very common area for even a southern truck to rust from. Going to frame swap in my case but great job.
Seems odd that since it's common for Dodge/Ram frames to rust out in those low spots that repair centers and dealers don't offer a service to drill the weep holes and install cotter keys as mentioned.
Fascinating combination of DIY knowhow, prototyping and cutting edge tech - love this stuff and am looking forward to seeing the finished product. You have a dream job Mr. Rich!
I feel very blessed to be involved in this project!
awesome to see your proper prototyping process, this is what get missed in so much CAD stuff, it is the fitment and serviceability that leads to longevity.
Thanks for noticing. Crazy to think this truck wad already built and going down the road
Awesome job guys !! Keep grinding!!
Best way to start a Sunday morning!
We need to get an assembly line set up for all the ford super duties with blown 6.0 and 6.4 powerstrokes 😂.
Yeah I’ve said that from the start of this. There’s a lot of good 6.4 era trucks with blown motors and nice bodies that could be had at a decent price, perfect candidate for this swap! 👍
@ oh yea, 100%
It’s shaping up nicely!! And upside down welding is over head welding 😂 can’t wait to see this truck done it’s gonna be and look so cool!!
Its called a domino job, one thing leads to another,rinse,repeat.😊😊
Awesome stuff happening on this channel! I can’t wait to see more updates on this. Imagine having a reliable fuel efficient diesel 4x4 that can doesn’t cost $80-100k 😂.
Wicked awesome but r these actually going to be affordable for a regular person who works a 40 hour week
Well the Cummins 2.8 is 10k for the crate motor .
Would you argue that most things are overly affordable for a normal person working a 40 hour week?
Yes sir I would lol
The answer to that is probably no, unless govt taxes fuel even more than they already do and artificially makes it worth it.
@@MrKeithJ2I’m saying that about the axle and the generator kit but you’re right it should be very obvious but one could hope right lol
I wish I had the money to invest. I think you have a winner, guys!
20:55 Oh I’m stealing that cotter pin trick Rich, that’s a ridiculous easy way to keep weeps open.
All thr old Massey tractors did this with the clutch so any oil and clutch dust was able yo escape the bellhousing
my only gripe on that engine, a dam timing chain. but this whole thing is cool still.
Part #5302129 seems to be a reversible pan for the R2.8, goes either front or rear sump using the same dipstick
Rich! The Benz Mounts are notorious for failing within roughly 30-50k miles with just aluminum 4/6/8 cylinders, you may be rethinking this with a heavy cast iron diesel, but loving the videos
Keep in mind that it only torque up on ounce. I've used them before with the 4bt and they outlasted the tagoe
this is a great project
Stick zinc blocks where to different alloys of metal touch. Works just like on a boat for some darn reason.
Diesel-electric drive systems are an old and proven concept. Modern freight train locomotives are diesel-electric, Westinghouse/LeTourneau built diesel-electric earth mo ving scrapers and loaders in the 1960s, Caterpillar build both a bulldozer and front loader that are diesel electric. The design challenge for auto/truck systems us to streamline the size and weight yet maintain durability.
What im looking for is an electric low end torque boosting hybrid differential. A standard ICE input shaft with an electric helper motor just fir getting off the line and regen. Probably wheel mounted motor/regen brakes makes the most sense. I love ICE performance but all the components struggle the most on that first torque getting the bofy in motion. If you can support that directly at the wheel hub with external force that would be huge on reducing engine size / torque and component wear.
Interesting idea, looking forward to results. Which 160hp engines of an "older" design could be used in place of this 2.8?
Is there a common generator set that is the same kw?
Many low hour standby 3ph generator sets are available; Detroit 2 strokes and old CATS are scrap prices, still like new and VERY reliable for decades.
Any engine that can be controlled electronically with an SAE #3. Bellhousing. That's. Ot to say an electric solenoid can't power a mechanical pump....
Really cool engineering, but I wonder how feasible it's really going to be if it involves replacing this much? I was hoping envisioning it being all bolt on plug and play stuff. Remove the existing diffs and install front and rear motor pieces that bolt onto where the diff cover was maybe. And a generator that bolts onto the existing engine. Add plug and play control units that replace existing PCM and ECM, a battery, and it's done. I feel like if this much is needed it will end up costing more than is feasible for late model trucks. Brilliant ideas and I'm rooting for you. Just sharing my concerns in the hope to help.
That is still happening. Watch till the end. We have engineers working on adapting the kit to OEM engines, but this 2.8 first as it is less engineering to prove the rest of the kit
I love it
Wanted an insight into how the engine generator fits uder that hood
When you was showing drawing of generator , noticed WVU on side panel ,did they build it for you ?
The EV coolant needs to be 35C? Will these conversions be drivable in the summer/south?
Keep up the great work!
Curious if there would be various final drive ratios available, to accommodate different tire diameters, for different intentions of truck purpose?
That diff housing looks skookom af.
Should get a 2nd tank of gas for spare. That way, you never run out, especially when needed, and can fill empty tank when you get time.
Things are coming along nice. So will the axel motors be waterproof in case you have drive through water over the axil ?
Yes, they will get tested through water
LOVE the Edison Blue.....
Great work guys.....Keep it up. Please
Looking forward to the opportunity as a US Resident, to be able to invest my money into Edison Motors and Rich's ingenuity.
Keeping out the big financial companies is the best way for this to come to market in time and with Common Sense IMO.
Is there EGR and emissions stuff on that little Cummins or is it not mandatory beings it’s considered a generator?
2000 and older just has egr. Newer will have to have more emissions systems on it
So much time you have in this project! How are you tracking every change you are making Whois doing all the drawing
I draw a lot of pictures in my head, some related yo this project lol
So the electrified s110 will be the axles going in all of the pre-ordered swaps? And you WILL NOT need the stock axles from the donor truck? Am I understanding that correctly?
In all 450 and 550 trucks (4500 and 5500)
What, if anything is your plan to shield the operator from the electromagnetic field that will be generated by this generator?
Ts finna blow…
Curious would it make more sense to mount the generator on the front of the engine. I would be guessing that it's going to be a relatively common service part and you have all that space up front. I'm still watching the episode so it might be explained yet.
Then all your accesory drive parts are crammed into the firewall, intake/exhaust/coolant routing is backwards. Might as well take advantage of the space in the transmission tunnel.
👍
Will retrofit shops be allowed to rerate GVWR? For example, if I bring in a '99 F250 with a GVWR of 8800, and you put electrified F450 axles under it, can the GVWR be officially rerated to 10,000 or higher?
I think it will vary state to state and province to province, but our lawyers can figure that out. I just want to get them moving
I can't click fast enough for these vids.
"This part doesn't exist yet" Ah, so this is one of those hurry up and wait type of projects. dang.
Unfortunately yes, but it will all come t once. Boats are slow
You should have just made adapter plate for the bell housing.
We can get them ordered with the #3 bellhousing but these ones skipped the line
remind me why you're interested in flipping the ol pan 180? is it clearance of some sort?
Also, I'm in the desert, in your mind, what Make/Year would be the ideal vehicle - I'm partial to Toyota, but what do you think?
Yes, for different applications
Can't wait to watch Edison shit all over Tesla in the open market. Keep on keepin' on, fellas.
How is Edison/Deboss addressing the 2000 rpm engine being bolted to a 4000 rpm generator. Youll only produce 1/2 the rated kW.
That's the engineering team...
My guess is they'll need to design a step-up planetary drive into the generator to get to 4K rpm.
Keep in mind with all the extra weight of the batteries, inverters, dc/dc converter, high voltage junction box, heaters, chillers, traction motors, and high voltage cables, you lose your total payload capacity. So your 3/4 ton truck is now a 1/2 ton truck pretty much
Some of the weight will be offset by the smaller and lighter engines, removal of Trans and axels.
It may not be a solution for every person, but it will have it's place IMO.
Consider the FACT that every kit owner would then have access to a Generator they can plug into their house when needed.
Okay, question… does Rich mispronounce words on purpose. “Anbedestrics”?
The combined weight of gen, motor, engine, battery x3, wiring , controllers, fuel I don't believe the efficiency will be on par 😢
That's why we will be doing all the testing in a closed environment dyno simulation. Then pulling an airstream from Ontario to BC. I won't sell anything I don't believe in
Smaller engine, generator will almost certainly be lighter than the transmission, no driveline, fuel is the same before and after retrofit. Controllers are going to be negligible. So you have to make up the difference of the electric motors to the differential on the rear axle, then add batteries which eats into the savings on the motor, transmission, and driveline. If it's heavier its no by much, and on a bigger service truck that doesn't need to carry an extra generator for power tools or compressors, you are way ahead. Maybe some vehicles don't make sense, but no solution solves every problem.
why don't they make the consumer version of the 2.8 Cummins an Aluminum block? if they did that with the old 3208 it would take more then 1000 pounds off the GVRW, that's nearly +4mpg. "have to use stainless cylinder sleeves"... +4mpg over 300'000 miles is another $30~60k per unit/mileage/w'rebuilds/+use that the government doesn't have to sublimate over whatever nonsense the buyer thinks they are doing to make an income. taxes in a society that doesn't pay them ⬆ forced to work around it.
So ill ask it. How hard is this or these projects going to be hit with the tariffs trump put out and then the American tariffs that justin put out in response...seems like the times lines for all this is in question now.
We will have to wait and see.
Going to miss the old DeBoss shop and his old car projects. Honestly who is going to spend $40k-$80 plus to swap an electric electric engine and electric axles that all needs to be customized ? And being an older truck its going to have worn, rusty and broken parts along the way. It's very labor intensive. Didn't he even say the engine was a miniumn $10k alone ?
About 4000 pre-orders. If you are still in the same place you were a year ago in thr land of opportunities, you wasted a year of your life. I'm proud of everything I accomplished and looking forward to what could be.
Money shot @11:50 haha. So cool!!! Really hope I can still get one of these in Texas even though our .gov is trying their best to burn everything to the ground
so this is a direct E-axle to battery source/generator, ie. diesel fuel to electric generator?
Rich, im afraid these are going to be so expensive , they are going to be unaffordable....
I agree it's' not for everyone, but with 160 million pickups on the road in North America, we don't need to convert every single one