Haha, I served on a ROCN LST 42 years ago. They were built as one time use in Normandy invasion, but pretty useful to supply many ROC islands with no dock. The new Yushan baffles me, the old Yushan was a transport ship moving both military and civilians between islands, replacing it with newer ship is needed but it’s not a war ship and LPD has zero purpose. The problem with the aging and outdated military, not just navy, is the government is basically an ATM and dumping ground of US. US tells them what to buy and how much, so an aged retired ship costs more than PLNN building a new 056A.
The purchases of US arms are basically a protection fee paid to the US. The purchase of over-engineered but outnumbered (& these days, increasingly out gunned) US weapons is fundamentally ineffective & unsustainable for the RoC.
This is why China invading Taiwan is a win-win situation for the US regardless. No war = continuous ATM machine dumping ground. War = China GDP decrease 20% as collateral and US continue holding onto the #1 spot for few decades more. The current affairs shows US almost wants war to happen.
@@GMATveteran Ufff... Even the US Navy (till now) gets overhyped ships that were marketed by the defense industries and $$$$ is still going down the drain. :D
even US can't afford their own weapon platforms.... instead of buying newer F22, they went back to buy more 46 year old F15... also the Zumwalt are so expensive, they're buying more 30 year old Burke destroyers..... next will be the F35
@@mcb4067 20 years back F22 was THE next generation but the cost to build and to maintain was so high, congress couldn't keep it on low rate production.... if you're talking about 6th gen high end fighters, i can't even imagine how many zeroes in U$ it'll cost to build and maintain.... maybe now US new 'enemy' isn't goat herders but chicom china so congress can justify to spend bottomless money into these new weapon systems.... but is this the real way to after the people who are gradually moving to the street?
For everyone reading this; I am not a Chinese from mainland China. But my Father migrated from China to Singapore and I am a citizen of Singapore. I am 63 years old. In the 1960's, 70's, we read about Mao's Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution as failures of an old man ( and later his wife Jiang Ching ) clinging on to power. Many youngsters forget that USSR at that time was extremely powerful especially in military hardware, doctrine and experience. In contrast, China was recovering from 100 years of the dying phase of an out-dated dynasty where she was basically fucked by almost every European Colonial Power; a deadly battle against Japan's invasion and a Civil War to expel the Kuomintang Forces. China has little or zero ideas of modernity in agriculture, economics or social organization. To compare China against the West or USA is like that of an illiterate orphan to a Master Degree Graduate. I think one can cut Mao some slack in the sense it's pointless claiming to be a Great Power if China could not even feed her population, or build a bridge using modern technology. From the proclamation of the Chinese Republic in 1949, Chinese Leadership was abhorrent of the idea of accepting help from Japan. The Soviets were disdainful, Europe was shakily recovering from WW2 and USA pre-occupied with Soviet Union and spread of Communist ideology. China choose to be self-reliant; from 1950 to 1975, her economy was basically based on agriculture production. Even during Deng Seow Peng's Economic Reforms and opening up China's economy to External Investments in the 1980s to 1990s, China was cautiously hanging on to a firm grip on State-Planning of Agricultural production and Price Controls on essential commodities. In a remarkable change of fortunes, the economies of the West tanked after the Financial Crisis led by collapse of Lehman Brothers Bank; but China's firm State-led Capitalism policies were bearing fruit. It was not an abundant harvest as there are more than 1.4 Billion mouths to feed everyday and that barometer is the most basic of yardsticks as a measure of a nation's Power Status. No use claiming to be a Super Power if your citizens eat a fat-rich diet of French Fries, grilled beef and quench their thirst on sugar-rich Coca Cola. To the envious gaze of Western Politicians, 1.4 Billion Chinese and China's One-Party Political System ejected western propagated liberal democratic values as wishful thinking that has only 0.1 % benefiting from the labors of 99.9% of the population. "Communist ! Evil Empire ! Genocide ! " were some of the vain labels flung 24hrs/7days by pathetic western media, political gays and ass-lickers; at China's CPC. Manipulating Taiwan, Japan and South Korea as staking horses to bait China into a long-drawn war; the military-industrial cabal running USA hoped against hope China would take the bait. Alas, the history of China is as ancient as the history of Mankind. We Chinese has seen Dynasties rise and fall. Ad Infinitum. As China modernize and temper her cultural and societal norms by using Science to discover or explain reality, it is but child's play to Chinese Strategists, that not every problem resembles a Nail. Unlike the US whose view is so orientated, the only solution Uncle Sam seems capable of deploying is, a Hammer. Uncle Sam has lost all his Faculties trained in the economics of investing in disaster prevention, future preparation or change in circumstances. Uncle Sam, a pathetic old man racked by arthritic joints in her infrastructure, peering through foggy lenses prescribed 40 years ago and comforted ONLY by the knowledge America's ass was saved from the ashes of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbour, because US Aircraft Carriers were spared the carnage. Thus far, America has sold her Nation's Life, Body and Soul to the Jews of Finance, Merchants of Weapons' Manufacturers, Pimps of the Media Circuses; and ceaselessly build ever more Aircraft Carriers, Stealth Bombers, Sea Wolf Class of Submarines - all financed by the illusion the entire world owed USA a living for defeating Nazi, British & Japanese Facisim. Rest In Peace USA. You have done your fair share of fighting for the common man. We are grateful for the American life sacrifices in the 2 World Wars; Russia also sacrificed 23 million lives against Facist Germany, it's high time you retire to planting corn in the fertile fields of Kansas and potatoes in Idalho. You are rapidly looking exactly alike to the facist powers you fought against in WW2. China doesn't HAVE to go to war over Taiwan. To us Chinese, whether in China or elsewhere; a Father delivering a slap to an errant son in the context of a family dispute is no one else business but theirs. You are not in our class; stay out if you know what's good for you. We Chinese have a saying; ' Ne Shi Yow Wua Bu Kher Chi ? ' - translated it means :- do you wish me to discard any further courtesy, ie, a gentle manner of speech ?
Yushan LPDs were planned during Ma Ying-jeou's term, when the risk of war between the mainland and taiwan was extremely low. In fact mainland and taiwan collaborated on their south China sea claims, since mainland's claims were basicly inherited from ROC, that's why the yushan class was planned. I remember Ma Ying-jeou's visit to Taiping island, and the US was pissed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Singapore build their own LPD, it was logically for Taiwan to follow. LPD are alot cheaper to build than warship as they follow commerical standard in term of protection and bulkhead. u can use off the shelf system to defend it as oppose to warship that need more system integration. they are not just landing ship, they serve as auxiliary and supply ship, if ROCN has to flee Taiwan, an LPD can transfer fuel and food to extend their range.
nowadays, roc(taiwan) won't even defend its territorial sovereignty over south china sea written in the constitution because of US, Japan's pressure. How pathetic. How do anyone expect them to protect national interests.
You're missing an important point with ROCN building LPDs. Construction of those large vessels gives them experience in building large vessels which can be used to build more advanced DDs, FFGs, etc.
All of TW naval assets are actually within range of mainland shore based ASCM and indeed the game changing PCL-191 which will be used to destroy the bases with precison (some say CEP is about 3 meters). 80+ PLAN Type 022 armed with 8 x YJ-83 seem to be custom made for TW scenario.
Actually 022s are designed to overwhelm the opponent(US navy) with anti-ship missiles, it would need help from land based radar or AWACS plane for target detection. The design was pre-aegis time, you can consider them blind compare to any Aegis ship. The strategy was to do a kamikaze style attack and hopefully some of the boats can get close enough to shoot their missiles. I believe PLAN tested the boats against their own Aegis ship and then decided to retire all of them, only a few of them remained in coat guard maybe. It was a complete failure, the only thing they learned is that such strategy does not work. Tuo Chiang-class corvettes(missile boats) from ROCN are basically using the same recipe, maybe they implemented it a little better.
Taiwan plans to produce eight IDS Submarines, 46 Huilong AI Unmanned Submarines, hundreds of Seawolf 400 AUVs, and a fleet of Underwater Gliders. Based on this, the Taiwan Navy has been able to build a powerful, modern underwater fleet with AI networked combat capabilities.
@@camt8804 Hilarious that you think consumer goods under US sanctions somehow translates to military technology. China's supercomputers and AI industry far outstrips Taiwan's. Considering that CN still manages to produce 7nm and 5nm chips regardless of US bans, whatever advantage TW have left will be irrelevant in time.
ROC is in an odd spot. I guess its a damned if you do and damned if you dont when it comes to its navy. The Knox class and Perrys ( if same as US) while old were built at a time when the US knew how to build a war ship. They will not go down easy. Seen them used as targets many times. They may not be in numbers to roll back the PLAN but arm them correctly they would be a serious thorn to any attacker.
It's said in the 1970s, ROCN let PLAN fleet through the Taiwan Strait to defend S.E. China sea against Vietnam. Imagine what can be achieved if brothers join hands again. If conflict is to break out, I think a smaller ROCN will be better for everyone. Bigger ships only mean more casualties when blown up. Of course it would be even better if a political solution can be accepted by both sides.
The Yushan-class LPD mainly server three purposes for ROCN: 1. Provide peace time resupply and disaster relief capability with large capacity of cargo, vehicles and mobile operation base for ROCN. These are very grounded needs for Taiwan as a hazard-rich place with lots of islands, furthest even located at South china sea. 2. Retain the amphibious capability for ROCMC. The Marine corps is one of the most highly trained branch of troops in Taiwan. Making counter-attack and retake island territory is one of the core mission for the Marine Corps. The LPD server as a good training platform and suitable military asset in a non-all-out combat situation. 3. A test bed for Taiwanese indigenous ship-building industry for building large military graded ship with complex weapon systems. Taiwan have an ambitious plan of domestically build naval fleet. The Yushan-class LPD server as a relatively forgiving test bed for building up the technology and human resources around it.
@@morrischen5777 All reasonable. Just think about the expensive jet planes Taiwan air force has bought, which probably will not survive the first-round strike from the mainland either. Why cannot Taiwan navy acquire some fancy toys?
Evil kmt and ma ying jeou were always building USELESS ships that can't fight, and can't do nothing during war!! Evil kmt has been selling military tech and computer tech to evil china! Shame on you for supporting china. Evil kmt has voted in congress to stop buying and stop building weapons over 120 times in Taiwan congress during the 2005 to 2015 period. If you like china so much, why won't you move back to china yourself! Why do you HIDE in the foreign country of Taiwan. Evil of you!!
Taiwan announced "AI Loitering Mine (Patrol Mine)", which releases AI artificial intelligence mines from submarines or unmanned submarines to attack enemy warships or submarines. AI loitering sea mines use their own power to quietly loiter to ambush near the enemy fleet or submarine sea passage, waiting for an opportunity to attack the enemy fleet and submarine. Taiwan has released the Huilong AI unmanned submarine, which has a displacement of about 100 tons, a length of about 30 meters, and a width of about 6 meters. Its size is larger than the U.S. Orca XLUUV large unmanned underwater vehicle, which is 16 meters long, 2.6 meters wide and 80 tons of displacement. In addition, there is the Sea Wolf, a small six-axis unmanned loitering ammunition AI submarine (Kamikaze submarine) produced in Taiwan for military use. It is 4 meters long, weighs 1,000 kilograms, and has a speed of 2 to 7 knots (3.7 to 13km). The maximum diving time can reach 8 to 10 hours. It is a small unmanned Kamikaze submarine that can be consumed in large quantities.
Taiwanese are still Chinese to me except for the indigenous populations. But in an event of an actual hot war then my Taiwanese brothers/sisters will not lasts very long especially if motherland decides to deploy the tier one "AWE & SHOCK" strategies. This strategy is comprised of raining missiles and artillery fire on to Taiwan to take out crucial systems to cripple Taiwan as fast as poss.
They are all basically just sitting ducks if any war broke out between Taiwan and china. Everyone on board those ships and jets would have to know that they are dead men walking/sailing/flying etc. I wonder how those men would feel knowing it's futile to fight against china and fighting would just mean their island gets destroyed even worse than if they had just unified peacefully in the first place. If I was Taiwanese I would just tell my gov to not be like Ukraine and Iraq and just unify and preserve all the lives and infrastructure. No point fighting a battle or war that's lost from the beginning. In the end they will have to surrender anyway so what's the point? I doubt they will all fight to the last man so if they are going to surrender then better to do so instantly rather than fight a futile war. They already lost the civil war decades ago. Right now they are just being used by the enemy and imperialists to fight and kill their own Chinese countrymen. That makes them traitors to the core if they continue the fight and damage mainland china and it's prosperity and waste Chinese lives. Even Chiang Kai Shek knew he was Chinese and that there was only one china. Mao sent his only son to fight and die in Korean war to defend china and Korea, I really doubt any of the dpp leaders will be sending any of their sons of family to fight and die vs china if there is a war. They will be the first ones to run away to usa since nowhere in Taiwan will be safe if there is war.
@@mcb4067 there's nothing more to life than.. life. When the choice is death, destruction or unification, you will probably end up choosing unification.
@@ex0duzz I would argue that the Chinese govt is very capable of making life worse than death for the people of Taiwan in a "unification" as you put it. Also, you should stop using the term unification. It is fallacy. To at least 60% of the people of Taiwan, any situation that sees their country lose its independence would be an occupation. You cannot have a unification if there is no unity.
@@ex0duzz Yes it is indeed Taiwan surface ships are far more vulnerable but one thing is for sure. Taiwan can rely on submarines, preferably a mix of few standard diesel electric submarines and dozens of midget/compact submarines. I bet no admiral in any nation's navy will dare to conduct amphibious landings knowing that the area of operation is maybe infested with submarines. And if you think ASW operation is easy to achieve, it is not easy.
They need land cruise missle deployed in the surrounding islands supported by AA batteries like s300 or Thaad...which is too expensive. If they can get the AS envelope to be 200 inland all the way to china they can cover any ship coming from China mainland. The AA umbrella would have to be 50 to 100 miles long. These 2 alone will cover the chinese navy and airforce. Any ship getting thru will be dealt with inner defense of the smaller frigates and missle boats.
Taiwan also needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
When you lose air superiority over the sea, you then lose the control of the sea Even submarines are also difficult to operate when the sky is buzzing with ASW platforms. Although if they really want to build something for their navy, then yea submarines would probably give the PLAN some annoyance.
But PLAN has 2 batalyon of type 039B and the recent type 039C operating regularly in the strait area. While each of 1 batalyon of type 093B is operating in east china sea and south china sea.
I remember someone posted about the PLAN 2 model of unmanned submarine last year which one of it that crash-hit the US connecticut subs. So i think today it should be in operation.
Amazing summary of the ROC's naval capabilities. Wonder if you have plans to do a battle comparison video like your tughril vs indian frigates video, but with single PLA ships (e.g Type 55 large DD) vs the ROC'S navy.
'thirty years on the east bank, thirty years on the west bank of the river' is an idiomatic ( 成语 ) expression meaning life has its ups and downs. Decades ago, PLAN defend territorial waters only count on 空潜快（Air force, Submarines, Missile boats）, After decades, now, The RoCN only count on 空潜快（Air force, Submarines, Missile boats）......
A waste of money. I it think would be better for Taiwan to build numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal, less complex to operate,and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
@@maddanjohan6286 Submarines don't deter amphibious operation or any surface assets? Are you sure? Don't you know that a single modern/advance heavyweight torpedo can sink/cripple a destroyer size combatants or any amphibious assault ships.
Being eclipsed by the CCP navy does not make the ROCN a shell of it’s former self. For it to be a shell of it’s former self the ROCN would have had to declined in both size and capabilities that is clearly not the case.
It can still happen even if they maintain the same size of the army. Time simply make everything Taiwan possesses obsolete or even outdated. A same ship means very differently in the 80s and in today's landscape.
As I recall, the Kidds were surface combat specialized versions built on the Ticonderoga/Spruance class hull. As a ship is a mission gear suite on a powered hull the current iteration might well have drifted from that original spec.
ROCN can kiss the ‘Chrysanthemum’ of PLAAN if war breaks out..😂..while licking PLAAN’s ‘Sea Coconut underwater’…this reference should be very funny for those who understands the Chinese language..LOL
@Eurasia Naval Insight awesome video! Very informative. Can you do a series on the respectable navies in ASEAN 🇧🇳🇮🇩🇰🇭🇱🇦🇲🇲🇲🇾🇵🇭🇸🇬🇻🇳🇹🇭 countries? And/or the respective navies of South Korea🇰🇷, North Korea🇰🇵 and Japan🇯🇵? If you could that would be great! I also loved your videos on the Russian Black Sea Fleet and the Chakri Narubet aircraft carrier of Thailand. Good luck and more power! Edit: Also good insight on Taiwan maybe not building amphibious support ships. More stealth fast attack missile craft would be beneficial.
Thanks for that. I'm obviously more interested in the PLAN and Russia, but happy to mix it up sometimes. I'll have a think about your suggestions, thanks
@@EurasiaNaval Also would like for you to consider making "what if" type of videos. For example, what if in the future the US is pushed out of Asia Pacific, and what would a China led military alliance in Asia look like. What would it mean to the rest of the world .
Taiwan in my opinion, needs to focus on building a large number of submarines, much more than eight. The funds used to build LPD's is a waste of money, resources and if war breaks out then also valuable man power. More emphasis needs to be put on shore based anti ship missile batteries. Keep them mobile shoot and scoot. India would likely be open to selling the Bramhos missile, which would change the equation somewhat.
Indeed, Taiwan also needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
Given that Taiwan can't afford to field a conventional fleet remotely on par with China, they need to shift their defense spending towards missiles and drones. There's no reason why TW can't develop something equivalent to Ukraine's Sea Baby or even a submersible equivalent with more stealth. For the cost of two frigates, they could produce 1000 sea drones that would be far more effective at denying the PLA access to the Taiwan strait. Of course, the PLA Navy actually has working radar and CIWS, so ROCN would need to launch far more drones to disable each PLA ship compared to Russian warships.
Taiwan does not need an ocean going blue water navy. It needs a fleet of fast strike crafts and quiet diesel electric submarines which can be used to defend Taiwan coasts from PLAN landings. Recent development in drone technology indicates this is definitely the thing Taiwan should be invested in. The role of the Taiwanese navy is to delay the PLAN in order to buy time for Taiwan's allies to come to the rescue. Spending precious resources to purchase ocean going all purpose destroyers or any kind of major warships to match the PLAN is clearly nonsensical.
@@ulrichkristensen4087 Taiwan needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
The ship yard next door to the China steel plant in Taiwan can produce any military ship necessary for Taiwan and anybody else who wants to buy them they have very close associations with the Japanese, Japanese are great partners for the Taiwanese people
I don't quite agree with your opinion on the Yushan class. Taiwan's amphibious landing ships should not be designed to directly face conflict with China. The miniaturization and submarines emphasized in future asymmetric operations should be the direction of the development of the navy, but Taiwan still needs large warships that can take into account the sovereignty of the South China Sea and Taiwan's surrounding islands. After all, our enemy in the South China Sea is not only China. Replenishment in outlying islands also requires ships with a large carrying capacity and some self-defense capabilities. But I don't think it's necessary to build that much.
Perhaps Taiwan could look at acquiring Ticonderoga class cruisers from the US? I understand they are getting on in age , but are Aegis equipped, which is a step up from what their current air warfare ships, a through refit of a couple of these ships would give them a least another 10 years of service life, and be a stop gap, while Taiwan built or acquired never ships?
All weapons depends on how it is used. If they just sit there and let 055 uses the range advantage, no. Even the burks got outranged. If they bait 055 and ambush, yes i suppose.
Maybe not all these ships combined, but head to head, don’t think the Taiwanese stand a chance, frankly speaking. The antiquated relics with piecemeal upgrades wouldn’t be much of a competition, let alone being a deterrent in the first place. Heck, looking at even Singapore’s naval assets, one would think the Taiwanese can’t even compare to, even worse, to the massive and much more modernised PLAN, with much more deadly weapons and systems.
@@vennsim71 Aka dumping ground of the retired US ship. Sometime, i feels like the PLAN should lend some of the weapons to the other side, just to give them a fair fight.
The only real use for the ROCN Destroyers and Frigates and LHP's LST's and combat supply ships would in my opinion be as a resupply convoy for Taiwan itself It should be remembered that a lot of 70s and 80s NATO navy's like West German and Denmark and the Netherlands had fleets of DDG's and FFG's to protect convoys during WWIII or before it started But even with modern DDG's and FFG's number wise it would still be the best use Am actually a bit surprised that the ROCN didn't try and get that "Smaller" 64 VLS cells version of the DDG-51 class that was offered for the Australian Navy DDG Program it would have had the same amount of SM-2 SAM and could use ESSM and be more up to date vs the KIdd class wich to be fair were good bargains back in 1981
They need Corvettes for brown water operations with vls and rolling airframe and some with mine layer capabilities and towed sonar for submarines, they do not need bluewater capabilities
I wonder if they could upgrade the Kidds with vls launchers as they share the same hulls as the Ticonderogas. I wonder if the radars could be upgraded as well. I am told that Taiwan has a stationary Aegis radar somewhere on the island that maybe can work with the Kidds. Finally the Ticonderogas are going to decommission and might be available for purchace.
@@ulrichkristensen4087 Taiwan also needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
Seriously how come the ROCN managed to get their hands on a 9,000 ton American guided missile destroyer, not many countries can do that, almost all other countries like Egypt and Pakistan purchased 4,000 ton Oliver hazard perry frigates from the US and not any destroyer that’s 9,000 tons
You might be viewing the purchase as a privilege for the ROCN, but that's not quite how I look at it. The four 9k ton Kidd class destroyers were also offered to Australia and Greece, both of which refused the deal, because of previous mixed experience with second hand weapons. The ROCN was in need of more vessels, and cannot get their hands on newer units, and want to expand the arms relationship with the US at the time. They went ahead with it.
@@joemaloney1019 maybe the purchase of something like the Arleigh Burke or any other aegis warship from the US will be probably escalate tensions between the US and China
@@moalzaben5554 I can't imagine it getting worse without going to war. But the genius of Taiwan having the Kidds is that they are upgradeable the US has new turbines, multiple vls launchers all designed for this hull and as for AEGIS the ship has the capacity to ship it but Taiwan should talk to the S Koreans, Japanese and the Australians and use their own high tech inventiveness to design a smaller more accurate system. Who knows maybe they can make money selling it to their friends. As for the age of the hulls, these ships were never a part of the US big picture so I think they were not used a lot. Taiwan is a relatively small area to sale in and upkeep should be frequent. Upgrades that are obvious would be advantageous and the twin arm launchers could be used in other ships or used onshore. In any case the PRC would have a harder time figuring out what is going on.
Now Taiwan's naval shipbuilding program has nothing to do with the Kuomintang Ma Ying-jeou. At that time, Ma Ying-jeou could only run and travel, and did not deal with diplomatic or military affairs. Therefore, Taiwan's military aircraft, ships, and missiles are all old. In January 2014, the Naval Command of the Ministry of National Defense of the Republic of China announced the "Vision for Force Reconstruction in the Next 15 Years." In 2017 and 2018, the new government asked the Navy to commission Taiwan Shipbuilding and the Chinese Academy of Sciences to build a new type of amphibious dock transport ship in the name of the "Hongyun Project" in the form of "National Ships and National Construction" to update the Navy's aging amphibious ships. Yushan ship".
The Mk-26 missile launcher is still decent and it’s somewhat fast when loading a missile, but honestly you’re right that they are extremely outdated compared to the faster firing VLS, like I said that Taiwan should really consider getting MLU kits from the US for these destroyers giving them VLSs, upgrading the fire control system of the old mk45 naval gun I mean u can tell it’s old by the design, the MLU kit should also include improved radars and electronic warfare suites, and a new improved CIC for making the ship even more deadly when it comes to air defense, just look at what the Turkish did, on 4 perry frigates they changed the CIC and made it more modern with new computer screens making look like a proper CIC and thus making the ship deadly in air defense because of its new VLS with ESSM missiles aka the GENESIS project, maybe Pakistan should also ask the Turkish to upgrade their only perry frigate with the GENESIS project.
The Taiwan military is just a front for a funds transfer from Taiwan to the US treasury. The other putpose it serves is to create a narrative that decieve the other DINO country that the US will be there to support them militarily if necessary in the name of democracy. All are simply a necessary means of supporting the US in its objective of maintaining it's hegemony over all including them. All countries serves the US, whether as socalled allies or otherwise.
A place like Taiwan does not need a huge navy as the Ukraine war has showed even subsonic missiles can sink ships from the coast, an opposition has to have 100% situation awareness or stuff will get sunk
Taiwan also needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
Great overview of the current navy- it might be small compared to the Chinese navy but it’s a quality and decent sized navy for a country that doesn’t officially exist internationally daresay it’s a much better navy compared to some actual countries currently in NATO … I’m curious as to what you believe will be the next type of ships to be constructed and adopted by the Taiwanese navy - more subs and catamaran VLS missile ships ? Or will they start building their own versions of the the DF -21/26 family of missiles ? Either way it will not go down well in Beijing if they do start their own anti ship ballistic missile program and more NATO countries start to sell heavy weapons to help Taiwan
Thanks man - I think it will be small abd stealthy missile warships, as well as coastal defence submarines. Taiwan actually has a fairly significant shipbuilding industry in Kaohsiung, but there's no real leeway as far as resourcing goes to develop open ocean capabilities
so far none of their warships have VLS launching systems.. their 4 Destroyers "Kee Lung" class or ex-KIDD class, have 2 Mk26 launchers, with 2 missiles per launcher, 1 in the front and back of the ship.. after it fires both missiles (left and right), the launcher have to reload.. so even if the ship had 60 reloads.. it still have a problem of firing only 4 SM-2 missiles, then having to reload.. so the enemy can overwhelm the Anti-air by shooting more than 4 missiles at each destroyer.. (while reloading.. the Destroyer only has 1 x CIWS as its only last line of defence). Their "Kang Ding" Frigates, which are similar to the French LaFayette Frigates CURRENTLY only has Sea Chaparral missile launcher with 1 launcher (x 4 missiles) with a range of 5km and 1 x CIWS. so its mostly useless in anti air role, against anti ship missiles or attacking planes. its due to be upgraded to Sky Bow 3 missile with VLS launcher. starting late 2022. i think in most of the ships are so focused on "Anti Ship missiles" and "land attack missiles" as their military doctorine puts "Air Defence" and "Anti Missile" Defense on the role of the Land Based Fighters and Ground Based SAM Missiles. Given that a SINGLE Type 055 Destroyer has more than 96 missiles.. it can take on and sink all 4 "Kee Lung" Destroyers by firing 8 missiles at each destroyers, to overwhelm their anti missile defense. The Kang Ding Frigates while are of the La Fayette class, compared to the Singapore navy's Formidable Class, the Singapore's Formidable Class has 2x 8 cells of VLS for Aster 15, and 2x 8 cells for Aster 30 missiles.. so it can rapid fire off 32 Aster missiles (Type 15 n 30), before reloads. compard to 4 x Sea Chaparral missiles with range of 5km.
I agree with your conclusions in general. The assault ships are still useful for peacetime operations, and could help move and build up certain islands prior to a war going hot. Once the shooting starts, they would be largely useless. Still, I don't think the old ones were a bad investment, purchased very cheap at a time when Taiwan was not ready to build it's own navy. As Taiwanese industry becomes more capable, I think it's definitely going to be time for them to build purpose built ships to fight the Chinese navy which means short range ships and subs with good firepower but little endurance. Most of the countries Taiwan has purchased from in the past would never build those types of ships for themselves, so they never had those types of ships available to sell to Taiwan either. A cooperation between Japan and Taiwan to work on naval units designed specifically to operate in and around the first island chain with smaller vessels would have great results I would think.
Just like in the past Aircraft will always determine the winner of wars to be honest! Taiwan needs to make sure that their Airforce is ready to take on the Chinese Airforce! The Navy for Taiwan won't last if they are not covered by the Taiwan Airforce! Taiwan should really invest in a couple of Aircraft carriers which will not only protect their Navy but it will make China think twice about a invasion because if Aircraft are sinking Chinese invasion vessels and keeping them away from the Taiwan shores it's pretty hard to invade a country!
To invade Taiwan China need to build more 022, equipped them with cruises missile, and navy guns. It's recommended to build at least 300 of those type 022.
Taiwan also needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will dare to gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
I'll be repeating the author's predictions the Taiwanese Navy is simply out-gun in any respect when it comes to an open conflict with China's Armed Forces. Taiwan's surface combat ships would be sunk within minutes of a declaration of war. It'll be like a target practice for China's surface to surface missiles or air to surface missiles. As for Taiwan's submarines, they are so few in numbers I'm pretty sure every single vessel is under constant and multiple surveillance by China. With the only submarine logistical port being part of an island surrounded by seas, these submarines wont survive 1 week of patrolling duties assuming China's anti-sub assets are not actively hunting them. Submarines run out of fuel pretty fast when they are being prosecuted. The breathable air supply runs out in 48 hours after which the sub has to surface or deploy an air supply snorkel; both of which renders the sub naked. They are not likely to survive beyond 48 hours. Taiwan's defence strategy lies mainly in the land based assets. They expect their air force and navy to be neutralised within the first 24 hours. They expect China would obliterate every surface power station, airports, ports, hard garrison targets such as barracks, ammo dumps, radars, bridges, reservoirs, etc. They hope the defray China's invasion force as long as possible in the hope US would intervene. If I was a China's strategist, I would subject Taiwan to low intensity warfare of 2 weeks with daily missile bombardments. After negating every air force or navy asset from the equation, it is relatively simple to carpet bomb 6 Beach-heads for an invasion force landing either by sea or air-drop. China has probably 200,000 trained airborne commando and or sabotage specialists. 10,000 such commandos dropped within minutes of a barrage of missile bombardment; can easily provide a screening perimeter for the landing of heavy artillery and armor by naval amphibious assets. Saturate 6 zones with these penetration forces and China will have 3 Divisions on Taiwanese soil inside 24 hours. When these highly mobile Divisions fan out as an ever hardened screening perimeter, another 6 Divisions can be inserted in the next 24 hours. After a 3rd 24 hour have passed, another 6 Divisions could be in position. That is 2 Army + size troops & hardware in 3 days. What 2 Army + number of troops can achieve in the next 3 days will only be countered by the Taiwanese soldiers will to fight - to the death. China's offensive doctrines call for concentrated application of troops and firepower; no prisoners taken so expect high casualties on both sides in the 1st week Taiwan's stocks of blood plasma would not last 7 days of intense war and high casualties. China can easily afford 4 weeks of intensive high casualties warfare. I expect Taiwanese troops morale to collapse within 2 weeks minimum or 3 weeks maximum; if medical interventions become degraded to the point wounded soldiers are left to die in abandoned hospitals or shattered field hospitals. Hospitals require electrical power and water to operate and China has sufficient aerial drones to degrade every electrical generator and water tank to the point of non-existence. China's inherent advantage is; the Chinese soldier and Taiwan's population speaks the same language. It would be yet another simple tactic to infiltrate no-man's land with saboteurs and destroy Taiwanese lines of logistical support. The contest over open areas would be over in 1 month. The Taiwanese Army's best defense lines will have to retreat to the cities. Unless Taiwan has an inexhaustive supply of ant-tank weapons, even concrete blocks are not invincible. Direct tank fire at the concrete columns will eventually cause the building to collapse under its own weight. When the defenders realised they would be burried alive; they will surrender. China can and will erased any recollection of Taiwan as an entity. The entire Taiwanese population will be shipped to China's vast Gobi deserts for re-forestation occupations; particularly those inclined to " Liberal Democratic Values ". I feel sorry for the survivors from Taiwan. We Chinses have our way to deal with insurrections or those inclined to disown our motherland. The entire population of Taiwanese is squatting illegally on land belonging to China. The Taiwan Relationship Act be damn as far as WE are concern. It is not too far-fetch we reach an agreement with a Mexico Relationship Act to reclaim Texas from USA or a Russia Relationship Act to reclaim Alaska from USA. USA be fucked.
Just shut up dude lol. You are making a fool of yourself. Before displaying your pseudo-war strategy skills, think about one single question. Why would you try to take a country in which nobody wants to be part of your country lol ? Dude in your country if you dare to say anything bad about the ccp, you can disappear .. of course Taiwanese don't want to be Chinese. You guys don't even know the history of your own country because you have been brain washed. There are some funny stories about Chinese students destroying Lennon Walls regarding HK situation, you guys have been so much brained washed that you are not even able to take a step back and look at situation from a logical stand point. I like Chinese people and I am lucky to have a few Chinese friend, but come on, we all know the CCP is far from being a good government. Long live Chinese people and culture, but not your government.
Please take the KMT back since they love you so much. Taiwanese people will stay on the Island. Hong Kong got screwed so there’s no future in 1 country 2 systems. Everyone knows. China has a lower GDP per capita, less freedoms, crappier quality of life. Why would anyone want to go backwards to that? Big brother calls you part of family and holds a gun to your head to come home or else…
Amateurs talk strategy. Professionals talk logistics. How many Amphibious Assault vessels does China have, and how many troops and tanks/fighting vehicles can it transport at a time? Or you intend to fly over 200,000 commandos? 10,000 commandos?
Taiwan has been isolated diplomatically, something like Israel in the 1950s through the 1970s. So many technologies are home grown, and it shows. However, due to China’s aggressive wolf warrior diplomacy, many western countries are establishing stronger relationships with Taiwan. With this warming comes technological transfer and weapons availability. Sooner or later will come F 35B stealth fighters.
Taiwan will never get f35s do you see Israel using any of their f35s in their war!? They're not the miracle weapons they were made out to be. Israel discovered it the hard way.
@@user-wm9es2ih6n If China gets F 35 info, it came from US via numerous hacks of the Pentagon. They don’t need Taiwan cooperation. Pretty much every DOD branch has been breached. Good thing the Chinese depend too much on data theft and not enough on developing indigenous talent. The most recent spies were two US Navy sailors born in China.
Haha, I served on a ROCN LST 42 years ago. They were built as one time use in Normandy invasion, but pretty useful to supply many ROC islands with no dock. The new Yushan baffles me, the old Yushan was a transport ship moving both military and civilians between islands, replacing it with newer ship is needed but it’s not a war ship and LPD has zero purpose. The problem with the aging and outdated military, not just navy, is the government is basically an ATM and dumping ground of US. US tells them what to buy and how much, so an aged retired ship costs more than PLNN building a new 056A.
The purchases of US arms are basically a protection fee paid to the US. The purchase of over-engineered but outnumbered (& these days, increasingly out gunned) US weapons is fundamentally ineffective & unsustainable for the RoC.
This is why China invading Taiwan is a win-win situation for the US regardless. No war = continuous ATM machine dumping ground. War = China GDP decrease 20% as collateral and US continue holding onto the #1 spot for few decades more. The current affairs shows US almost wants war to happen.
@@GMATveteran Ufff... Even the US Navy (till now) gets overhyped ships that were marketed by the defense industries and $$$$ is still going down the drain. :D
even US can't afford their own weapon platforms.... instead of buying newer F22, they went back to buy more 46 year old F15... also the Zumwalt are so expensive, they're buying more 30 year old Burke destroyers..... next will be the F35
@@mcb4067 20 years back F22 was THE next generation but the cost to build and to maintain was so high, congress couldn't keep it on low rate production.... if you're talking about 6th gen high end fighters, i can't even imagine how many zeroes in U$ it'll cost to build and maintain.... maybe now US new 'enemy' isn't goat herders but chicom china so congress can justify to spend bottomless money into these new weapon systems.... but is this the real way to after the people who are gradually moving to the street?
"One area the Taiwanese navy is sorely lacking..."
It seems like that area consists of the entire navy.
save the money and enjoy life! why fight a suicidal fight.
我的父親曾在台灣海軍服役二十年，謝謝你的講解👍
Great video on the Taiwanese navy. Very informative. I would like to hear more on Taiwan’s indigenous submarine program.
For everyone reading this; I am not a Chinese from mainland China. But my Father migrated from China to Singapore and I am a citizen of Singapore. I am 63 years old.
In the 1960's, 70's, we read about Mao's Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution as failures of an old man ( and later his wife Jiang Ching ) clinging on to power. Many youngsters forget that USSR at that time was extremely powerful especially in military hardware, doctrine and experience.
In contrast, China was recovering from 100 years of the dying phase of an out-dated dynasty where she was basically fucked by almost every European Colonial Power; a deadly battle against Japan's invasion and a Civil War to expel the Kuomintang Forces. China has little or zero ideas of modernity in agriculture, economics or social organization.
To compare China against the West or USA is like that of an illiterate orphan to a Master Degree Graduate.
I think one can cut Mao some slack in the sense it's pointless claiming to be a Great Power if China could not even feed her population, or build a bridge using modern technology.
From the proclamation of the Chinese Republic in 1949, Chinese Leadership was abhorrent of the idea of accepting help from Japan. The Soviets were disdainful, Europe was shakily recovering from WW2 and USA pre-occupied with Soviet Union and spread of Communist ideology. China choose to be self-reliant; from 1950 to 1975, her economy was basically based on agriculture production.
Even during Deng Seow Peng's Economic Reforms and opening up China's economy to External Investments in the 1980s to 1990s, China was cautiously hanging on to a firm grip on State-Planning of Agricultural production and Price Controls on essential commodities.
In a remarkable change of fortunes, the economies of the West tanked after the Financial Crisis led by collapse of Lehman Brothers Bank; but China's firm State-led Capitalism policies were bearing fruit. It was not an abundant harvest as there are more than 1.4 Billion mouths to feed everyday and that barometer is the most basic of yardsticks as a measure of a nation's Power Status.
No use claiming to be a Super Power if your citizens eat a fat-rich diet of French Fries, grilled beef and quench their thirst on sugar-rich Coca Cola.
To the envious gaze of Western Politicians, 1.4 Billion Chinese and China's One-Party Political System ejected western propagated liberal democratic values as wishful thinking that has only 0.1 % benefiting from the labors of 99.9% of the population.
"Communist ! Evil Empire ! Genocide ! " were some of the vain labels flung 24hrs/7days by pathetic western media, political gays and ass-lickers; at China's CPC.
Manipulating Taiwan, Japan and South Korea as staking horses to bait China into a long-drawn war; the military-industrial cabal running USA hoped against hope China would take the bait.
Alas, the history of China is as ancient as the history of Mankind. We Chinese has seen Dynasties rise and fall. Ad Infinitum.
As China modernize and temper her cultural and societal norms by using Science to discover or explain reality, it is but child's play to Chinese Strategists, that not every problem resembles a Nail. Unlike the US whose view is so orientated, the only solution Uncle Sam seems capable of deploying is, a Hammer.
Uncle Sam has lost all his Faculties trained in the economics of investing in disaster prevention, future preparation or change in circumstances. Uncle Sam, a pathetic old man racked by arthritic joints in her infrastructure, peering through foggy lenses prescribed 40 years ago and comforted ONLY by the knowledge America's ass was saved from the ashes of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbour, because US Aircraft Carriers were spared the carnage.
Thus far, America has sold her Nation's Life, Body and Soul to the Jews of Finance, Merchants of Weapons' Manufacturers, Pimps of the Media Circuses; and ceaselessly build ever more Aircraft Carriers, Stealth Bombers, Sea Wolf Class of Submarines - all financed by the illusion the entire world owed USA a living for defeating Nazi, British & Japanese Facisim.
Rest In Peace USA. You have done your fair share of fighting for the common man.
We are grateful for the American life sacrifices in the 2 World Wars; Russia also sacrificed 23 million lives against Facist Germany, it's high time you retire to planting corn in the fertile fields of Kansas and potatoes in Idalho.
You are rapidly looking exactly alike to the facist powers you fought against in WW2.
China doesn't HAVE to go to war over Taiwan. To us Chinese, whether in China or elsewhere; a Father delivering a slap to an errant son in the context of a family dispute is no one else business but theirs.
You are not in our class; stay out if you know what's good for you.
We Chinese have a saying; ' Ne Shi Yow Wua Bu Kher Chi ? ' - translated it means :- do you wish me to discard any further courtesy, ie, a gentle manner of speech ?
Your hanyu pinyin sounds distinctly Teochew?
But your penmanship is really good to be honest.
hahaha... i actually speed read your post... ✌
I enjoy reading what you wrote. However I can't figure out what you said in Chinese. Anyone can put it in Chinese?
Yushan LPDs were planned during Ma Ying-jeou's term, when the risk of war between the mainland and taiwan was extremely low. In fact mainland and taiwan collaborated on their south China sea claims, since mainland's claims were basicly inherited from ROC, that's why the yushan class was planned. I remember Ma Ying-jeou's visit to Taiping island, and the US was pissed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Singapore build their own LPD, it was logically for Taiwan to follow. LPD are alot cheaper to build than warship as they follow commerical standard in term of protection and bulkhead. u can use off the shelf system to defend it as oppose to warship that need more system integration. they are not just landing ship, they serve as auxiliary and supply ship, if ROCN has to flee Taiwan, an LPD can transfer fuel and food to extend their range.
@@lagrangewei Good to know, Both Singapore and ROC needed Noah's Ark for their Gov.
nowadays, roc(taiwan) won't even defend its territorial sovereignty over south china sea written in the constitution because of US, Japan's pressure. How pathetic. How do anyone expect them to protect national interests.
@@commie5211 Singapore Government doesn’t need a Noah’s Ark. Shows how little you know of Singapore.
@@commie5211 Not their Gov; but their naval assets, living to fight another day.
Great overview of the ROC Navy.
It's good to have a really person speaking. Thank you for this video.
Would love to learn more about the Taiwanese domestic submarine program!
Yes, please make more technical videos on modern ROC submarines and surface warships please.
You're missing an important point with ROCN building LPDs. Construction of those large vessels gives them experience in building large vessels which can be used to build more advanced DDs, FFGs, etc.
Building large ships is really not a good idea when you have a heavily armed hostile neighbour
One of the Cheng Kung class is called Cheng Ho. The PLAN has a small ship called Zheng He as well.
All of TW naval assets are actually within range of mainland shore based ASCM and indeed the game changing PCL-191 which will be used to destroy the bases with precison (some say CEP is about 3 meters). 80+ PLAN Type 022 armed with 8 x YJ-83 seem to be custom made for TW scenario.
@@zixinxia194 PCL-191 is also known as PHL-16. DYOR
@@nostradamus2642 I thought I read 181. Deleted
@@zixinxia194
PCL-181 is a howitzer
Actually 022s are designed to overwhelm the opponent(US navy) with anti-ship missiles, it would need help from land based radar or AWACS plane for target detection. The design was pre-aegis time, you can consider them blind compare to any Aegis ship. The strategy was to do a kamikaze style attack and hopefully some of the boats can get close enough to shoot their missiles. I believe PLAN tested the boats against their own Aegis ship and then decided to retire all of them, only a few of them remained in coat guard maybe. It was a complete failure, the only thing they learned is that such strategy does not work.
Tuo Chiang-class corvettes(missile boats) from ROCN are basically using the same recipe, maybe they implemented it a little better.
@@commie5211
Who tell you that? Chinese PLA General Wei told you all of that information? 🤣🤣🤣
Oh taiwan has a very strong hypersonic banana..
Taiwan plans to produce eight IDS Submarines, 46 Huilong AI Unmanned Submarines, hundreds of Seawolf 400 AUVs, and a fleet of Underwater Gliders. Based on this, the Taiwan Navy has been able to build a powerful, modern underwater fleet with AI networked combat capabilities.
No need to tell the world. Keep it a secret. No need for evil china to know.
Very impressive. Taiwan should take advantage of its technological superiority over the mainland.
@@camt8804"technological superiority over the mainland" lol
@@lebien4554 lol, does you computer contain a processor from Taiwan or mainland China 🤣🤣
@@camt8804 Hilarious that you think consumer goods under US sanctions somehow translates to military technology. China's supercomputers and AI industry far outstrips Taiwan's. Considering that CN still manages to produce 7nm and 5nm chips regardless of US bans, whatever advantage TW have left will be irrelevant in time.
Update the ex-Kidd class. They are still useful if they are modernized. Sell them to other countries if you can't use them.
It’s obsolete and very expensive to buy and operated. Only Taiwanese can afford. She has no choice.
Sell to who. Who wants a obsolete warship manned by large crews.
@@lktan224I dunno Vietnam? Egypt? Indonesia? Philippines
I am Taiwanese Thank for your video~
Thank you, friend
Long Live Taiwan!!!
born in Taiwan. living in the US. I want Taiwan to stay free and independent.
This guy and red effect are best in defence
ROC is in an odd spot. I guess its a damned if you do and damned if you dont when it comes to its navy. The Knox class and Perrys ( if same as US) while old were built at a time when the US knew how to build a war ship. They will not go down easy. Seen them used as targets many times. They may not be in numbers to roll back the PLAN but arm them correctly they would be a serious thorn to any attacker.
Excellent overview with high detail. Also timely. Cpacibo.
It's said in the 1970s, ROCN let PLAN fleet through the Taiwan Strait to defend S.E. China sea against Vietnam. Imagine what can be achieved if brothers join hands again. If conflict is to break out, I think a smaller ROCN will be better for everyone. Bigger ships only mean more casualties when blown up. Of course it would be even better if a political solution can be accepted by both sides.
South Vietnam.....😏
谣言罢了，当时的蒋介石有没有下令放行，仅仅是台湾岛白沙岬与福建海坛平潭岛之间的距离就远达130公里，而这已经是台湾海峡最狭窄的一段了.不过这一段的距离也远远超过了信号灯的范围，由此就可以看出，所谓的“蒋介石下令放行”一事中，臆想较多。除此之外，根据人民网以及环球日报发表的《揭穿军史六大谣言：西沙海战蒋介石未助大陆》这篇文章，以及我国徐焰少将的相关辟谣，我们可以发现早在1965年“八六海战”以及“崇武海战”后，遭遇重创的台湾海军基本上已经不会对我军舰队进行主动攻击了。也就是说我国东海舰队穿越台湾海峡的过程中，没有受到台湾海军方面的拦截并不属于“异常事件”，相反它属于常态情况，因此也不足以证明蒋介石曾经下令。
1975年4月，南越政权遭越南人民军总攻而崩溃时，台湾军事顾问团坚持到最后才撤离。西贡政权末代“总统”阮文绍因怨恨被美国抛弃，选择了台北作为逃亡后的栖身地，以显示感激之情。这些史实，在当年是关心国际时事的人所共知的。说蒋介石在大陆与南越政权发生冲突时“协助”大陆，这岂不是因别有用心而颠倒历史的谬谈？
@@user-xf1cp3bk9m 环球时报造的谣数不胜数吧？按照记录，中共海军出动的是几百吨的扫雷艇，有艘护卫舰就能打得满地找牙。
@@user-gc9yh2ic4q 有人民網和官方背書，你要這麽一邊倒的懷疑，那就沒法交流了
I share the same opinion with you on the LPDs. Hard to see their strategic significance, just a resource dump. Great content as always!
The Yushan-class LPD mainly server three purposes for ROCN:
1. Provide peace time resupply and disaster relief capability with large capacity of cargo, vehicles and mobile operation base for ROCN. These are very grounded needs for Taiwan as a hazard-rich place with lots of islands, furthest even located at South china sea.
2. Retain the amphibious capability for ROCMC. The Marine corps is one of the most highly trained branch of troops in Taiwan. Making counter-attack and retake island territory is one of the core mission for the Marine Corps. The LPD server as a good training platform and suitable military asset in a non-all-out combat situation.
3. A test bed for Taiwanese indigenous ship-building industry for building large military graded ship with complex weapon systems. Taiwan have an ambitious plan of domestically build naval fleet. The Yushan-class LPD server as a relatively forgiving test bed for building up the technology and human resources around it.
some folks still wants to invade the mainland and get their land back from ccp lol
@@morrischen5777 All reasonable. Just think about the expensive jet planes Taiwan air force has bought, which probably will not survive the first-round strike from the mainland either. Why cannot Taiwan navy acquire some fancy toys?
They have to retake the mainland. It's in their constitution. :P
Evil kmt and ma ying jeou were always building USELESS ships that can't fight, and can't do nothing during war!! Evil kmt has been selling military tech and computer tech to evil china! Shame on you for supporting china. Evil kmt has voted in congress to stop buying and stop building weapons over 120 times in Taiwan congress during the 2005 to 2015 period. If you like china so much, why won't you move back to china yourself! Why do you HIDE in the foreign country of Taiwan. Evil of you!!
Why did the ROCN purchase to ex US perry frigates aka the USS Gary and the USS Taylor instead of building more Cheng Kungs?
A video on subs would be great. And some understanding of the waters around the Taiwanese cost. Thank you
Exceptionally good video, awesome job! Unfortunately, they have nowhere near what they’ll truly need.
Thanks my dude!
@@EurasiaNaval 美国希望台湾为美国而战！复制乌克兰🇺🇦人悲剧😂😂😂
Taiwan announced "AI Loitering Mine (Patrol Mine)", which releases AI artificial intelligence mines from submarines or unmanned submarines to attack enemy warships or submarines. AI loitering sea mines use their own power to quietly loiter to ambush near the enemy fleet or submarine sea passage, waiting for an opportunity to attack the enemy fleet and submarine. Taiwan has released the Huilong AI unmanned submarine, which has a displacement of about 100 tons, a length of about 30 meters, and a width of about 6 meters. Its size is larger than the U.S. Orca XLUUV large unmanned underwater vehicle, which is 16 meters long, 2.6 meters wide and 80 tons of displacement.
In addition, there is the Sea Wolf, a small six-axis unmanned loitering ammunition AI submarine (Kamikaze submarine) produced in Taiwan for military use. It is 4 meters long, weighs 1,000 kilograms, and has a speed of 2 to 7 knots (3.7 to 13km). The maximum diving time can reach 8 to 10 hours. It is a small unmanned Kamikaze submarine that can be consumed in large quantities.
Taiwanese are still Chinese to me except for the indigenous populations. But in an event of an actual hot war then my Taiwanese brothers/sisters will not lasts very long especially if motherland decides to deploy the tier one "AWE & SHOCK" strategies. This strategy is comprised of raining missiles and artillery fire on to Taiwan to take out crucial systems to cripple Taiwan as fast as poss.
China cannot take Taiwan...it would hurt Taiwan of course, but also decimate much of the PLAN in the process
@@fulltechahead armchair commentator talking rubbish😂😂😂
They are all basically just sitting ducks if any war broke out between Taiwan and china. Everyone on board those ships and jets would have to know that they are dead men walking/sailing/flying etc. I wonder how those men would feel knowing it's futile to fight against china and fighting would just mean their island gets destroyed even worse than if they had just unified peacefully in the first place.
If I was Taiwanese I would just tell my gov to not be like Ukraine and Iraq and just unify and preserve all the lives and infrastructure. No point fighting a battle or war that's lost from the beginning. In the end they will have to surrender anyway so what's the point? I doubt they will all fight to the last man so if they are going to surrender then better to do so instantly rather than fight a futile war. They already lost the civil war decades ago. Right now they are just being used by the enemy and imperialists to fight and kill their own Chinese countrymen. That makes them traitors to the core if they continue the fight and damage mainland china and it's prosperity and waste Chinese lives.
Even Chiang Kai Shek knew he was Chinese and that there was only one china. Mao sent his only son to fight and die in Korean war to defend china and Korea, I really doubt any of the dpp leaders will be sending any of their sons of family to fight and die vs china if there is a war. They will be the first ones to run away to usa since nowhere in Taiwan will be safe if there is war.
@@mcb4067 there's nothing more to life than.. life. When the choice is death, destruction or unification, you will probably end up choosing unification.
@@ex0duzz I would argue that the Chinese govt is very capable of making life worse than death for the people of Taiwan in a "unification" as you put it. Also, you should stop using the term unification. It is fallacy. To at least 60% of the people of Taiwan, any situation that sees their country lose its independence would be an occupation. You cannot have a unification if there is no unity.
Before Russia invaded Ukraine, everyone thought the same way, lol
@@ex0duzz
But sad to say you're not them. You don't understand what they are fighting for.
@@ex0duzz
Yes it is indeed Taiwan surface ships are far more vulnerable but one thing is for sure. Taiwan can rely on submarines, preferably a mix of few standard diesel electric submarines and dozens of midget/compact submarines. I bet no admiral in any nation's navy will dare to conduct amphibious landings knowing that the area of operation is maybe infested with submarines. And if you think ASW operation is easy to achieve, it is not easy.
They need land cruise missle deployed in the surrounding islands supported by AA batteries like s300 or Thaad...which is too expensive. If they can get the AS envelope to be 200 inland all the way to china they can cover any ship coming from China mainland. The AA umbrella would have to be 50 to 100 miles long. These 2 alone will cover the chinese navy and airforce. Any ship getting thru will be dealt with inner defense of the smaller frigates and missle boats.
Taiwan also needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
@@nieljosephpalca7849
Both of you are 100% correct
When you lose air superiority over the sea, you then lose the control of the sea
Even submarines are also difficult to operate when the sky is buzzing with ASW platforms.
Although if they really want to build something for their navy, then yea submarines would probably give the PLAN some annoyance.
That's why the U.S. has armed its Virginia class with CPS hypersonic anti-ship missiles
But PLAN has 2 batalyon of type 039B and the recent type 039C operating regularly in the strait area.
While each of 1 batalyon of type 093B is operating in east china sea and south china sea.
I remember someone posted about the PLAN 2 model of unmanned submarine last year which one of it that crash-hit the US connecticut subs. So i think today it should be in operation.
@@miguellines5907 no, an unmanned submarine was not the cause of the collision
@@miguellines5907 they found out it had crashed into a seamount
Hotly anticipated video!
China must be shivering with fear right now with such a formidable Taiwanese navy....
台灣不太需要強大水上船艦~但需要更多水下潛艇~二岸之間的距離平均寬度是180公里~台灣需要更多的飛彈發射車～更多的反艦飛彈~更多的HIMARS~更多的無人機~
lithium ion batteries atm are japanese only but the new italian submarines will have too
Amazing summary of the ROC's naval capabilities. Wonder if you have plans to do a battle comparison video like your tughril vs indian frigates video, but with single PLA ships (e.g Type 55 large DD) vs the ROC'S navy.
He already has, search his videos, it's fairly new.
What's the point of this comparison? It's like comparing the M1A3 tank to the World War II-era T26.
'thirty years on the east bank, thirty years on the west bank of the river' is an idiomatic ( 成语 ) expression meaning life has its ups and downs. Decades ago, PLAN defend territorial waters only count on 空潜快（Air force, Submarines, Missile boats）, After decades, now, The RoCN only count on 空潜快（Air force, Submarines, Missile boats）......
very informative! thank you!
These are US second hand obsolete equipment.
It would be interesting if ROC Navy can purchase soon to be retired Arleigh Burke destroyers.
A waste of money. I it think would be better for Taiwan to build numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal, less complex to operate,and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
@@maddanjohan6286 Are you aware that all Taiwan's surface ships will not last even a day?
@@maddanjohan6286 Submarines don't deter amphibious operation or any surface assets? Are you sure? Don't you know that a single modern/advance heavyweight torpedo can sink/cripple a destroyer size combatants or any amphibious assault ships.
@@nieljosephpalca7849 well if you play your card well,they can last more than a day unless PRC nuke them
@@maddanjohan6286 Coastal submarine is like a moving underwater mine, lurking beneath the waves ready to strike any surface assets.
Hi will you do a video about type 22 missile boat?
Thank you, I like your channel very much.
Thanks friend - could do
Being eclipsed by the CCP navy does not make the ROCN a shell of it’s former self. For it to be a shell of it’s former self the ROCN would have had to declined in both size and capabilities that is clearly not the case.
It can still happen even if they maintain the same size of the army. Time simply make everything Taiwan possesses obsolete or even outdated. A same ship means very differently in the 80s and in today's landscape.
I wonder how the 天弓III compares with HQ-9/22, S-300/400, and Patriot.
yeah ROC Navy Rocks! sorry felt compelled say that. most of the ships are ex US Navy. Respect from the USA!
PLEASE do vid on taiwan submarine development i wanna see how they go from 0-1, like which manufacturer is gonna develop the tech to build it, etc.
As I recall, the Kidds were surface combat specialized versions built on the Ticonderoga/Spruance class hull. As a ship is a mission gear suite on a powered hull the current iteration might well have drifted from that original spec.
The ROCN should really invest in a VLS for their Kidd class
they really should save their money and enjoy life! why fight a suicidal fight.
@@justme6275 that’s true too, but sadly they’re always under threat from China
@@moalzaben5554 IF happens, war, nothing they can do, so just be happy and enjoy life.
@@justme6275 true, everyday I thank god that I live in a peaceful nation
@@moalzaben5554 "peaceful nation" - which?
The Keelung class are to be updated with modern weapons and sensors.
Kang Ding class are also scheduled to be thoroughly modernized.
ROCN can kiss the ‘Chrysanthemum’ of PLAAN if war breaks out..😂..while licking PLAAN’s ‘Sea Coconut underwater’…this reference should be very funny for those who understands the Chinese language..LOL
timestamp?
Hey, you probably know is already, but this video was mentioned in the latest Center for Strategic and International Studies report!
Interesting mention! Thanks for sharing
@Eurasia Naval Insight awesome video! Very informative. Can you do a series on the respectable navies in ASEAN 🇧🇳🇮🇩🇰🇭🇱🇦🇲🇲🇲🇾🇵🇭🇸🇬🇻🇳🇹🇭 countries? And/or the respective navies of South Korea🇰🇷, North Korea🇰🇵 and Japan🇯🇵? If you could that would be great! I also loved your videos on the Russian Black Sea Fleet and the Chakri Narubet aircraft carrier of Thailand. Good luck and more power!
Edit: Also good insight on Taiwan maybe not building amphibious support ships. More stealth fast attack missile craft would be beneficial.
Thanks for that. I'm obviously more interested in the PLAN and Russia, but happy to mix it up sometimes. I'll have a think about your suggestions, thanks
@@EurasiaNaval Also would like for you to consider making "what if" type of videos. For example, what if in the future the US is pushed out of Asia Pacific, and what would a China led military alliance in Asia look like. What would it mean to the rest of the world .
@@davidmoss2576 Very interesting...
Not much need to go crazy building ships when you have a carrier group patrolling for you.
Taiwan in my opinion, needs to focus on building a large number of submarines, much more than eight. The funds used to build LPD's is a waste of money, resources and if war breaks out then also valuable man power. More emphasis needs to be put on shore based anti ship missile batteries. Keep them mobile shoot and scoot. India would likely be open to selling the Bramhos missile, which would change the equation somewhat.
Indeed, Taiwan also needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
Given that Taiwan can't afford to field a conventional fleet remotely on par with China, they need to shift their defense spending towards missiles and drones.
There's no reason why TW can't develop something equivalent to Ukraine's Sea Baby or even a submersible equivalent with more stealth. For the cost of two frigates, they could produce 1000 sea drones that would be far more effective at denying the PLA access to the Taiwan strait.
Of course, the PLA Navy actually has working radar and CIWS, so ROCN would need to launch far more drones to disable each PLA ship compared to Russian warships.
Taiwan does not need an ocean going blue water navy. It needs a fleet of fast strike crafts and quiet diesel electric submarines which can be used to defend Taiwan coasts from PLAN landings. Recent development in drone technology indicates this is definitely the thing Taiwan should be invested in. The role of the Taiwanese navy is to delay the PLAN in order to buy time for Taiwan's allies to come to the rescue. Spending precious resources to purchase ocean going all purpose destroyers or any kind of major warships to match the PLAN is clearly nonsensical.
What do you mean by island holdings?
They need more destroyers or multi role warship!
Not destroyers, corvets, they do not need destroyers for brown water defense
@@ulrichkristensen4087 Taiwan needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
中華民國…海軍加油…巡弋海疆…永保安康
They are probably thinking about maintaining a capability to resupply and/or re-take Taiwanese Islands that are closer to mainland China.
I'm from Taiwan. We also have a large, bragging mouth with no guts to back it up.
The ship yard next door to the China steel plant in Taiwan can produce any military ship necessary for Taiwan and anybody else who wants to buy them they have very close associations with the Japanese, Japanese are great partners for the Taiwanese people
Need tO build Hsiung Feng IV ASAP and ASW.
Bro, it might be a good time for your gf to move out of Taiwan asap cos there are extremely turbulent storms approaching really soon I'm afraid.
I don't quite agree with your opinion on the Yushan class.
Taiwan's amphibious landing ships should not be designed to directly face conflict with China.
The miniaturization and submarines emphasized in future asymmetric operations should be the direction of the development of the navy, but Taiwan still needs large warships that can take into account the sovereignty of the South China Sea and Taiwan's surrounding islands. After all, our enemy in the South China Sea is not only China.
Replenishment in outlying islands also requires ships with a large carrying capacity and some self-defense capabilities.
But I don't think it's necessary to build that much.
The frogs will drive the ROCN to the seabed
Perhaps Taiwan could look at acquiring Ticonderoga class cruisers from the US? I understand they are getting on in age , but are Aegis equipped, which is a step up from what their current air warfare ships, a through refit of a couple of these ships would give them a least another 10 years of service life, and be a stop gap, while Taiwan built or acquired never ships?
can these ships combined beat a single type 055?
All weapons depends on how it is used. If they just sit there and let 055 uses the range advantage, no. Even the burks got outranged. If they bait 055 and ambush, yes i suppose.
type 055 only needs two 雄風III anti ship missile...EZ
@@anron99 tsiung feng III vs BrahMos
Maybe not all these ships combined, but head to head, don’t think the Taiwanese stand a chance, frankly speaking. The antiquated relics with piecemeal upgrades wouldn’t be much of a competition, let alone being a deterrent in the first place.
Heck, looking at even Singapore’s naval assets, one would think the Taiwanese can’t even compare to, even worse, to the massive and much more modernised PLAN, with much more deadly weapons and systems.
@@vennsim71 Aka dumping ground of the retired US ship. Sometime, i feels like the PLAN should lend some of the weapons to the other side, just to give them a fair fight.
The only real use for the ROCN Destroyers and Frigates and LHP's LST's and combat supply ships would in my opinion be as a resupply convoy for Taiwan itself
It should be remembered that a lot of 70s and 80s NATO navy's like West German and Denmark and the Netherlands had fleets of DDG's and FFG's to protect convoys during WWIII or before it started
But even with modern DDG's and FFG's number wise it would still be the best use
Am actually a bit surprised that the ROCN didn't try and get that "Smaller" 64 VLS cells version of the DDG-51 class that was offered for the Australian Navy DDG Program it would have had the same amount of SM-2 SAM and could use ESSM and be more up to date vs the KIdd class wich to be fair were good bargains back in 1981
They need Corvettes for brown water operations with vls and rolling airframe and some with mine layer capabilities and towed sonar for submarines, they do not need bluewater capabilities
I wonder if they could upgrade the Kidds with vls launchers as they share the same hulls as the Ticonderogas. I wonder if the radars could be upgraded as well. I am told that Taiwan has a stationary Aegis radar somewhere on the island that maybe can work with the Kidds. Finally the Ticonderogas are going to decommission and might be available for purchace.
@@ulrichkristensen4087 Taiwan also needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
Seriously how come the ROCN managed to get their hands on a 9,000 ton American guided missile destroyer, not many countries can do that, almost all other countries like Egypt and Pakistan purchased 4,000 ton Oliver hazard perry frigates from the US and not any destroyer that’s 9,000 tons
You might be viewing the purchase as a privilege for the ROCN, but that's not quite how I look at it. The four 9k ton Kidd class destroyers were also offered to Australia and Greece, both of which refused the deal, because of previous mixed experience with second hand weapons. The ROCN was in need of more vessels, and cannot get their hands on newer units, and want to expand the arms relationship with the US at the time. They went ahead with it.
@@EurasiaNaval oh now I get it
Thanks man
Also the Roc wanted Aegis but the US wouldn't give it to them so the Kidds were a consolation deal.
@@joemaloney1019 maybe the purchase of something like the Arleigh Burke or any other aegis warship from the US will be probably escalate tensions between the US and China
@@moalzaben5554 I can't imagine it getting worse without going to war. But the genius of Taiwan having the Kidds is that they are upgradeable the US has new turbines, multiple vls launchers all designed for this hull and as for AEGIS the ship has the capacity to ship it but Taiwan should talk to the S Koreans, Japanese and the Australians and use their own high tech inventiveness to design a smaller more accurate system. Who knows maybe they can make money selling it to their friends. As for the age of the hulls, these ships were never a part of the US big picture so I think they were not used a lot. Taiwan is a relatively small area to sale in and upkeep should be frequent. Upgrades that are obvious would be advantageous and the twin arm launchers could be used in other ships or used onshore. In any case the PRC would have a harder time figuring out what is going on.
Taiwan should be investing in more drones instead of missiles!
Now Taiwan's naval shipbuilding program has nothing to do with the Kuomintang Ma Ying-jeou. At that time, Ma Ying-jeou could only run and travel, and did not deal with diplomatic or military affairs. Therefore, Taiwan's military aircraft, ships, and missiles are all old. In January 2014, the Naval Command of the Ministry of National Defense of the Republic of China announced the "Vision for Force Reconstruction in the Next 15 Years." In 2017 and 2018, the new government asked the Navy to commission Taiwan Shipbuilding and the Chinese Academy of Sciences to build a new type of amphibious dock transport ship in the name of the "Hongyun Project" in the form of "National Ships and National Construction" to update the Navy's aging amphibious ships. Yushan ship".
the tiny island is a military museum.
Why are they still bearing the ROC
1:40 such a good looking ship
But not stealthy enough to save itself.
basically we got a museum here
The Mk-26 missile launcher is still decent and it’s somewhat fast when loading a missile, but honestly you’re right that they are extremely outdated compared to the faster firing VLS, like I said that Taiwan should really consider getting MLU kits from the US for these destroyers giving them VLSs, upgrading the fire control system of the old mk45 naval gun I mean u can tell it’s old by the design, the MLU kit should also include improved radars and electronic warfare suites, and a new improved CIC for making the ship even more deadly when it comes to air defense, just look at what the Turkish did, on 4 perry frigates they changed the CIC and made it more modern with new computer screens making look like a proper CIC and thus making the ship deadly in air defense because of its new VLS with ESSM missiles aka the GENESIS project, maybe Pakistan should also ask the Turkish to upgrade their only perry frigate with the GENESIS project.
Taiwan doesn't get to decide what it buys, they pay for whatever surplus we have regardless of their own needs.
@@georgedang449yeah true
save the money and enjoy life! why fight a suicidal fight. let usa pay junk yards to scrap their junks.
The Taiwan military is just a front for a funds transfer from Taiwan to the US treasury. The other putpose it serves is to create a narrative that decieve the other DINO country that the US will be there to support them militarily if necessary in the name of democracy.
All are simply a necessary means of supporting the US in its objective of maintaining it's hegemony over all including them. All countries serves the US, whether as socalled allies or otherwise.
@@georgedang449 Patriot PAC-3 are surplus now 🤣
Build some hardened fuel depots in unlikely places. ✌️
(Or alternatively, nurture a fleet of commercial tenders.)
question is, how many?
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the missle boats with no surface radar...so its a kamikaze boat.
A place like Taiwan does not need a huge navy as the Ukraine war has showed even subsonic missiles can sink ships from the coast, an opposition has to have 100% situation awareness or stuff will get sunk
Taiwan also needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
So, the author is from Taiwan. That's interesting to know.
我说他怎么中文说这么好，原来是华人
Here from CSIS, this better be good lol
Great overview of the current navy- it might be small compared to the Chinese navy but it’s a quality and decent sized navy for a country that doesn’t officially exist internationally daresay it’s a much better navy compared to some actual countries currently in NATO …
I’m curious as to what you believe will be the next type of ships to be constructed and adopted by the Taiwanese navy - more subs and catamaran VLS missile ships ? Or will they start building their own versions of the the DF -21/26 family of missiles ?
Either way it will not go down well in Beijing if they do start their own anti ship ballistic missile program and more NATO countries start to sell heavy weapons to help Taiwan
Thanks man - I think it will be small abd stealthy missile warships, as well as coastal defence submarines. Taiwan actually has a fairly significant shipbuilding industry in Kaohsiung, but there's no real leeway as far as resourcing goes to develop open ocean capabilities
How about making militarily comparison Taiwan vs India?
so far none of their warships have VLS launching systems.. their 4 Destroyers "Kee Lung" class or ex-KIDD class, have 2 Mk26 launchers, with 2 missiles per launcher, 1 in the front and back of the ship.. after it fires both missiles (left and right), the launcher have to reload.. so even if the ship had 60 reloads.. it still have a problem of firing only 4 SM-2 missiles, then having to reload..
so the enemy can overwhelm the Anti-air by shooting more than 4 missiles at each destroyer.. (while reloading.. the Destroyer only has 1 x CIWS as its only last line of defence).
Their "Kang Ding" Frigates, which are similar to the French LaFayette Frigates CURRENTLY only has Sea Chaparral missile launcher with 1 launcher (x 4 missiles) with a range of 5km and 1 x CIWS.
so its mostly useless in anti air role, against anti ship missiles or attacking planes. its due to be upgraded to Sky Bow 3 missile with VLS launcher. starting late 2022.
i think in most of the ships are so focused on "Anti Ship missiles" and "land attack missiles" as their military doctorine puts "Air Defence" and "Anti Missile" Defense on the role of the Land Based Fighters and Ground Based SAM Missiles.
Given that a SINGLE Type 055 Destroyer has more than 96 missiles.. it can take on and sink all 4 "Kee Lung" Destroyers by firing 8 missiles at each destroyers, to overwhelm their anti missile defense.
The Kang Ding Frigates while are of the La Fayette class, compared to the Singapore navy's Formidable Class, the Singapore's Formidable Class has 2x 8 cells of VLS for Aster 15, and 2x 8 cells for Aster 30 missiles.. so it can rapid fire off 32 Aster missiles (Type 15 n 30), before reloads. compard to 4 x Sea Chaparral missiles with range of 5km.
I agree with your conclusions in general. The assault ships are still useful for peacetime operations, and could help move and build up certain islands prior to a war going hot. Once the shooting starts, they would be largely useless. Still, I don't think the old ones were a bad investment, purchased very cheap at a time when Taiwan was not ready to build it's own navy. As Taiwanese industry becomes more capable, I think it's definitely going to be time for them to build purpose built ships to fight the Chinese navy which means short range ships and subs with good firepower but little endurance. Most of the countries Taiwan has purchased from in the past would never build those types of ships for themselves, so they never had those types of ships available to sell to Taiwan either. A cooperation between Japan and Taiwan to work on naval units designed specifically to operate in and around the first island chain with smaller vessels would have great results I would think.
I agree 100% on the anphibs. They have zero need for such ships, they would be better suited building modern warships and subs.
Well done.
I don't understand why Taiwan bought the Yushan class, To counterattack the mainland china?
You don’t need to know
Sounds like most asw ships, cant defend taiwan with just asw. China navy is heavy surface ships. What they will do from landing invasion?
so china has 2 armies?
Just like in the past Aircraft will always determine the winner of wars to be honest! Taiwan needs to make sure that their Airforce is ready to take on the Chinese Airforce! The Navy for Taiwan won't last if they are not covered by the Taiwan Airforce! Taiwan should really invest in a couple of Aircraft carriers which will not only protect their Navy but it will make China think twice about a invasion because if Aircraft are sinking Chinese invasion vessels and keeping them away from the Taiwan shores it's pretty hard to invade a country!
what good are airplanes when there are no runways?
I say in the form of unmanned aerial vehicles!! That's the only way Taiwan would stand a chance!!
To invade Taiwan China need to build more 022, equipped them with cruises missile, and navy guns. It's recommended to build at least 300 of those type 022.
Taiwan also needs numerous coastal submarines probably around 120-500 tons in order to deter/repel any amphibious operation. They are cheaper/affordable, lethal and far more survivable compared to any surface combatants. A single 120-500 tons coastal submarine alone will cost around 30-150 million USD and can be equipped with atleast 2-8 heavyweight torpedoes. This means that Taiwan can mass produce them in large numbers. Imagine Taiwan operates 30 500tons-coastal submarines and 60 160tons-coastal submarines. I bet no admiral in any nations navy will dare to gamble its surface ships to conduct amphibious operation.
The Yushan-class LPD seems to have pretty poor workmanship. Surprisingly so for a ship built recently
I'll be repeating the author's predictions the Taiwanese Navy is simply out-gun in any respect when it comes to an open conflict with China's Armed Forces.
Taiwan's surface combat ships would be sunk within minutes of a declaration of war. It'll be like a target practice for China's surface to surface missiles or air to surface missiles.
As for Taiwan's submarines, they are so few in numbers I'm pretty sure every single vessel is under constant and multiple surveillance by China. With the only submarine logistical port being part of an island surrounded by seas, these submarines wont survive 1 week of patrolling duties assuming China's anti-sub assets are not actively hunting them. Submarines run out of fuel pretty fast when they are being prosecuted. The breathable air supply runs out in 48 hours after which the sub has to surface or deploy an air supply snorkel; both of which renders the sub naked. They are not likely to survive beyond 48 hours.
Taiwan's defence strategy lies mainly in the land based assets. They expect their air force and navy to be neutralised within the first 24 hours. They expect China would obliterate every surface power station, airports, ports, hard garrison targets such as barracks, ammo dumps, radars, bridges, reservoirs, etc. They hope the defray China's invasion force as long as possible in the hope US would intervene.
If I was a China's strategist, I would subject Taiwan to low intensity warfare of 2 weeks with daily missile bombardments. After negating every air force or navy asset from the equation, it is relatively simple to carpet bomb 6 Beach-heads for an invasion force landing either by sea or air-drop.
China has probably 200,000 trained airborne commando and or sabotage specialists. 10,000 such commandos dropped within minutes of a barrage of missile bombardment; can easily provide a screening perimeter for the landing of heavy artillery and armor by naval amphibious assets.
Saturate 6 zones with these penetration forces and China will have 3 Divisions on Taiwanese soil inside 24 hours. When these highly mobile Divisions fan out as an ever hardened screening perimeter, another 6 Divisions can be inserted in the next 24 hours. After a 3rd 24 hour have passed, another 6 Divisions could be in position. That is 2 Army + size troops & hardware in 3 days.
What 2 Army + number of troops can achieve in the next 3 days will only be countered by the Taiwanese soldiers will to fight - to the death. China's offensive doctrines call for concentrated application of troops and firepower; no prisoners taken so expect high casualties on both sides in the 1st week
Taiwan's stocks of blood plasma would not last 7 days of intense war and high casualties.
China can easily afford 4 weeks of intensive high casualties warfare. I expect Taiwanese troops morale to collapse within 2 weeks minimum or 3 weeks maximum; if medical interventions become degraded to the point wounded soldiers are left to die in abandoned hospitals or shattered field hospitals. Hospitals require electrical power and water to operate and China has sufficient aerial drones to degrade every electrical generator and water tank to the point of non-existence.
China's inherent advantage is; the Chinese soldier and Taiwan's population speaks the same language. It would be yet another simple tactic to infiltrate no-man's land with saboteurs and destroy Taiwanese lines of logistical support. The contest over open areas would be over in 1 month. The Taiwanese Army's best defense lines will have to retreat to the cities. Unless Taiwan has an inexhaustive supply of ant-tank weapons, even concrete blocks are not invincible. Direct tank fire at the concrete columns will eventually cause the building to collapse under its own weight. When the defenders realised they would be burried alive; they will surrender.
China can and will erased any recollection of Taiwan as an entity. The entire Taiwanese population will be shipped to China's vast Gobi deserts for re-forestation occupations; particularly those inclined to " Liberal Democratic Values ".
I feel sorry for the survivors from Taiwan.
We Chinses have our way to deal with insurrections or those inclined to disown our motherland. The entire population of Taiwanese is squatting illegally on land belonging to China. The Taiwan Relationship Act be damn as far as WE are concern. It is not too far-fetch we reach an agreement with a Mexico Relationship Act to reclaim Texas from USA or a Russia Relationship Act to reclaim Alaska from USA.
USA be fucked.
The Taiwanese soldiers are conscripts, doing their national service requirements, they won't fight.
Taiwan doesn't need communists to be in charge of them.
Just shut up dude lol. You are making a fool of yourself. Before displaying your pseudo-war strategy skills, think about one single question. Why would you try to take a country in which nobody wants to be part of your country lol ? Dude in your country if you dare to say anything bad about the ccp, you can disappear .. of course Taiwanese don't want to be Chinese. You guys don't even know the history of your own country because you have been brain washed. There are some funny stories about Chinese students destroying Lennon Walls regarding HK situation, you guys have been so much brained washed that you are not even able to take a step back and look at situation from a logical stand point. I like Chinese people and I am lucky to have a few Chinese friend, but come on, we all know the CCP is far from being a good government. Long live Chinese people and culture, but not your government.
Please take the KMT back since they love you so much. Taiwanese people will stay on the Island.
Hong Kong got screwed so there’s no future in 1 country 2 systems. Everyone knows.
China has a lower GDP per capita, less freedoms, crappier quality of life. Why would anyone want to go backwards to that?
Big brother calls you part of family and holds a gun to your head to come home or else…
Amateurs talk strategy. Professionals talk logistics. How many Amphibious Assault vessels does China have, and how many troops and tanks/fighting vehicles can it transport at a time? Or you intend to fly over 200,000 commandos? 10,000 commandos?
how many?
主力戰艦太少僅四艘紀德級驅逐艦，實有待改善。當年中華民國海軍很強的，甚至有輕巡洋艦重慶號，可惜投共了。
看和谁比了，和当时的强国肯定没法比，日本海军当年有整整27艘轻巡...
Taiwan has been isolated diplomatically, something like Israel in the 1950s through the 1970s. So many technologies are home grown, and it shows. However, due to China’s aggressive wolf warrior diplomacy, many western countries are establishing stronger relationships with Taiwan. With this warming comes technological transfer and weapons availability. Sooner or later will come F 35B stealth fighters.
In your dreams, F35B!!
If Taiwan got F35, I wouldn't be much surprised if its secret was leaked to China. Or maybe even China got the jet. 🤣
Taiwan will never get f35s do you see Israel using any of their f35s in their war!?
They're not the miracle weapons they were made out to be. Israel discovered it the hard way.
@@user-wm9es2ih6n the US does not trust Taiwan with their latest technologies. They believe that China will somehow get it from them.
@@user-wm9es2ih6n If China gets F 35 info, it came from US via numerous hacks of the Pentagon. They don’t need Taiwan cooperation. Pretty much every DOD branch has been breached. Good thing the Chinese depend too much on data theft and not enough on developing indigenous talent. The most recent spies were two US Navy sailors born in China.
I wish Taiwan 🇹🇼 peace ☮️ & prosperity 🎉
中華民國…稱霸亞洲…千秋萬世
太逆天了哥们，近几天买得到鸡蛋了没