Why I Sold My Beloved Prophet 6
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- I loved it when I bought it, and it's only gotten better with age, so why would I sell it? These are the 6 main reasons. The Prophet 6 will always hold a special place in my heart, but after owning both it and the Sequential Pro 3 (bit.ly/3hzKuJY) and having pretty tight budgetary constraints, the choice was clear to me.
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Thanks for all your vids on the P6. I learn so much. I still be watching your channel !
Interesting, thanks for sharing your insights. Enjoyed your P6 tutorials even tho I never managed to get one (went for the Pro-2).
I‘ve had the P6 module for some years and just recently swapped it with a keyboard version, because I‘m playing it so much. I love the sound too and somehow it feels like you‘ll be getting a P6 at one point again 🙂 Will be missing further P6 videos from you, but am also keen to see your Pro 3 vids. Thanks for all of your contributions to the world of P6 enthusiasts!!!
haha yes I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the future I buy one again!
@@Sound_ology I agree with Debrix in that I'll also miss further P6 videos from you but will certainly look forward to more Pro 3 videos. I own both and not sure I could see myself parting with either :)
Totally respect your decision and explanation to sell. I’m keeping mine though!
I had the Take 5 first, didn’t gel with it. Sold it and bought a Pro 3. Now we’re talking! I love it so much! I do think that it’s the best synth Dave Smith ever made.
I sold mine after about a year and a half of use as well. I used Repro 5 for a long while, but I caved earlier this year and grabbed a Prophet 10, as it was the Prophet 5 I really wanted when I got the 6 anyway. I do miss the onboard sequencer as it was very inspiring to play with, but otherwise I’m very happy with the P10.
I still haven't had the chance to play a P10 or P5 in person yet! The demos I've heard sound S-tier to me though.
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I’ve owned a prophet 6 and prophet 10.
I wouldn’t buy a prophet 10 being that you just sold the p6.
The p10 is more limited in sound design with just an ever so slightly better raw tone then the p6.
Curious what you use for a sequencer now days? Hands down that basic sequencer on the P6 was great for building. I have a 10 now as well
@@PRODUCEDBYLILDOUG my Korg SQ-1 is my favorite, but I’ll also use the Pro 3 sequencer which is much deeper and also fantastic
@@PRODUCEDBYLILDOUG I just use Ableton as of late. I really would love a small box that replicates the P6 sequencer, as it’s simplicity and ease of use led to a lot of good ideas. Agreed!
Pro 3 my Fav synth. Yea it's a mono synth but it creates a wall of sound and I believe it is one of my most sonic synths meaning it's transparent but full. I can create any sound with it and I don't miss the polyphony really because what it does do is so complete.
The Pro 3 has discrete circuits in the VCOs and VCF. Those discrete circuits make all the difference.
If you ever miss it, the Arturia V collection (half off right now) has an amazing sounding prophet 5. I own the 6 and have played a real 5 and I can say it sounds so good.
Yes, I’ve used the Arturia V collection and it’s very close sound-wise. Never used it for longer than about an hour though, just always kind of lost interest for some reason. I even had the big Arturia keyboard with the knobs and faders auto mapped to the different parameters on it too. That’s a big part of the reason I got so into hardware, I knew the V collection sounded great, but it drained me of my creative energy. It also didn’t help that I had a $150 interface with 30ms of latency, that really sucked the life out of playing
U-he Repro5 is even better. The best prophet 5 emulation around for me.
Thank you so much for this video. Trying to think about a new poly and is it Rev2, something for x2 $ (P/OB6, etc.) or maybe the Take 5? Bang for the $ the Rev2 is pretty great I think. And yes, I know the larger polyphony is not attractive for you. Again thanks for the video.
The Take 5 sounds incredible if you can get past the look of it...hah, the Rev2 is also great, I was going to buy one until I happened to play a p6 and fell in love with it.
for you, the take 5 sounds like something that could work. you would have the VCO's and mod routes and poly. i'm hoping to have a prophet 10 module sometime in the next year. to me, that warm sound of the p5/10 is the pinnacle of what i'm after. i love to play the big chords though which is why the t5 or p5 wouldn't really work for me. i have a pro3 3 and it is a beast. honestly, i play with the rev2 more because of the poly. if the take 5 would have had all the features from the pro 3 i would have gotten one and adapted to the 5 voices.
Yeah I've tried the take 5 a couple times and loved it. It sounds fantastic and is really intuitive
Kind of in a similar boat. I'm giving myself the rest of the year to decide because the P6 was so dear to me.
I ended up with a Prophet X and even though they are completely different sounding, there is a ton of overlap. I really only want one poly synth. I do soundtrack work and have a long running affinity for romplers. PX is kind of a dream come true for me. It's very very good sounding and full of happy accidents.
The Prophet 6 still has an edge in those ultra raw "analog" types of tones. Polymod, and SFX type stuff, or just a straight INIT patch with some slight filter movement and you know you're playing a P6.
That being said, like you, I've been kind of thinking nearly any mono would be even better than the P6 at those very things. The PX paired with a nice fat/juicy mono would be a hell of a duo to have. Currently thinking about something like matriarch in that "mono" slot alongside some DIY modular.
Woah I did not see this coming. You’ve been such an inspiration for my p6 journey which is only starting. But I understand, you went into great depths on the p6 and had to move on. It’s not so deep after all. No clue about the pro3, for now I’m not gassing for it but who knows. I’d like to reduce my synth setup eventually…….
Thank you! Enjoy the journey ☺️ there’s a lot to learn!
I think i get what you mean. Tastes change. Sometimes you need limitations to really challenge your creativity. Right now I, torn between the Prophet Rev 2 and Moog Matriarch. Sometimes I crave that mono synth juicy, Moog, ridiculously chewy sound with that gorgeous filter, but more times than not I just want insanely huge pads with verb or a bass ARP. You make great points. Don't be afraid to challenge yourself by limiting yourself. Beautiful things can ensue .
If you play live I’d recommend the rev2, otherwise Matriarch! Both will easily make your mind explode though, let me know what you decide
I cant deny the pro3. I love it to death but I also have a OB6 here for my soft sounds. I love the gnarly sounds of the Pro3. Its fantastic.
The OB6 is awesome, I'd still like to buy one at some point
I have a question to the Pro 3: mine sometimes changes parameters automatically. I think it's because sometimes it happens that knobs register a small movement and the parameter sets immediately to the knob position. Have you regognized something similar, or is it maybe a midi cc information from an other device or is it broken? Thank you!
It sounds like midi information from another device to me. You could try switching the knob mode to something other than jumping to the position value to be sure though
That all makes sense… it’s interesting how people’s synths shift as part of their creative process, and as new instruments come on the market. As a p6 owner, I found your explorations of it really helpful, the detail and enthusiasm involved. I sometimes imagine a strange new time when I will be the last satisfied prophet 6 owner on earth-if it eventually falls out of fashion and gets cheap on the used market, that would be a bargain for a lot of newer synth users….
Thank you! I suspect we'll be seeing them on stages forever, they're perfect for touring musicians, and Sequential repairs anything for $25 for life
@@Sound_ology Yes! Sequential support is the best. And yes again, p6 sounds good with a live band- sound is “big” enough to hold its own against guitars, drums, etc. …
Hilarious idea. They won't fall out of fashion.
I agree with the P6 and pro 3 comparisons. The pro3 is better all around imo. Have you had a chance to try the take 5? It’s pretty incredible as well.
I tried the take 5 in a synth shop with a really nice sound system and I loved it. The filter sounded great, and I thought the different delay options were cool and fun. The only thing I didn’t like about it was the way it looked…which actually turned me off of it in a really big way. But the sound was awesome
@@Sound_ology I’m right there with you. It’s an eye-sore
Did you have any issues with loose / wobbly knobs on yours? Just got a brand new one and the knobs are loose! Thanks
The knobs on mine were nice and tight when I got mine new. As the instrument got older some of the knobs got a little wobbly or loose. I was kinda disturbed when I first noticed it, but then I forgot about it, it never affected the way it played, but I did use those knobs a little more gingerly. And compared to some of my vintage gear, it was very minor. If it bothers you you should contact Sequential support, they have the best repair policy in the business ($25/ repair for life) and seem to truly care about their customers. Maybe send them a quick video showing how the knobs move.
Round about 40 years ago I had 2 Prophet 5. I sold them, which was a mistake. I play Soul, Jazz, Fusion and Gospel. 4 years ago I bought the Prophet 6. I love the unit. Easy to carry. It is an add on for my Hammond Organ playing. So my question. You sold the P6 and what have you bought instead?
Ultimately I ended up buying a Moog Matriarch. I played one in a store and just fell in love with the sound. At some points I’ve missed the Prophet 6 because covid has let up and I’m playing gigs again, but overall I’m happy with my decision
Background track?
Hi, great vid, would the Pro 3 be good for dark ambient?
Absolutely!! It inspired me to make a 20 minute sludge dungeon drone, so I’d definitely say yes. The tuned feedback is dark ambient heaven and the reverb is awesome for it
take 5 is what I got and it can be a unison mono or 5 poly ..
I sold my OB6 after years of going deep with it. Same thing, my tastes changed, life changed…and our music changes with it.
And did you get anything to fill the ob6 hole?
@@HiLoMusic the Polybrute. It has all the filtering of the OB6. The oscillators are much more fun to play with, the sequencer is super cool and the effects are really really good. Also loving all the modulation possibilities.
So, I just started with synths. I started with Moog semi modular synths and a Roland Tr8s. I wonder if I’m going to do the opposite and go polyphonic once I get tired of the Moogs.
Just kidding. Moog is too good. Sooooooo crunchy.
I understand this, i have been more into classic sounds, EPs, piano, guitar
Its funny, I believe I had mentioned to you that I had sold the Matriarch for the P6, FOR the preset saving and 6 note poly, kinda the exact reason why you've parted ways haha. excited to see what you do with the Pro 3! Still slightly miss that buttery moog sound with that crazy amazing delay, ooof!
Haha oh yeah I remember that! I feel like that’s a solid trade in either direction
Does this mean no full tutorial for the Slumlord intro? :'(
Oh man I totally forgot!! Sorry!
The 4 pole OTA on the Pro3 IS the Prophet 6 filter. Literally the same filter. Not sure why you think the Pro3 filter sounds better? I guess the drive and feedback abilities would get a different sound character from it. I love the sound of the 4 pole OTA on my Pro3 and I was thinking of picking up a Prophet 6 largely based off that fact. But hearing you say that they sound different has made me think twice. I'm confused to be honest at how they can sound different. All I can think is that the gain going in could be different. I guess when you say the Pro3 filter sounds better you were taking into account the drive too?
Oh have you compared the circuit diagrams or something? I knew it was based on the prophet 6 filter and I’ve always wondered. The 4-pole OTA filter has a subtle clipping to it right on the edge, I can’t remember if it needs drive or not to get there. It’s not as soft of clipping as the ladder filter but softer than the 2-pole. I love it but I never noticed anything like that on my Prophet 6. It was all very clean on a scope. It could also be a difference in the way they’re calibrated or the knob size, but getting good, crunchy bass sounds out of the P6 was difficult, but it’s really easy on the pro 3
@@Sound_ology Hey, thanks for replying 😊
To be honest I do not remember which video it was, but I recall Dave explaining that he used the exact filters from P6 and OB6. You can also see in the Pro2 and Pro3 description page on the website. On Pro2 it mentions that the filters are inspired by Prophet and Oberheim, where on the Pro3 it straight up says it is the P6 and OB6 filters (and even includes the trademark).
After thinking some more about this I remember now something about the OSCs on Pro3 having a much higher gain output than is typical. I believe up to 50% drives the filter in a normal range, where above 50% starts to drive the filter harder and this is without even touching the drive knob. So it makes sense that the filter sounds different I guess as it's about gain staging.
BTW, I love the distortion and gain staging on my Summit (Peak too). The distortion (analog) sounds really great and has 3 stages pre filter (per voice), post filter (per voice) and FX (global)
Thanks for your videos, they are great! 😊
@@jasonmalcolmgibbins Ah, good to know. Yeah the Summit sounds like 10/10 amazing, I was extremely impressed when I tried one.
Yeah, Dave Smith synthesizer's seem pretty cool in my opinion. They're super expensive though 😬 I really like the old Prophet Vector Synth they use to make, those are pretty hard to find and not only that they're very very expensive.
Interesting video and all makes sense, except I find the Prophet 6 to be great for improv with a lot of sweet spots, so I wasn't sure what you meant by it being a preset kind of synth.
Vintage mode definitely increased the sweet spots filter-wise, but overall I didn’t find it to be like a 303 or a Juno 6 or Grandmother or something where it feels like you can’t make a wrong move
With all due respect, but the Sequential Prophet, and any offspring, was not meant to be a sound design tool. It's no wonder that you've outgrown its possibilities.
The Prophet was primarily designed and marketed as a performance and studio synth for song writers and keyboardists - ie. the countless 80s synth pop artists and progressive rockers like Tony Banks. If you want endless sound design capabilities for ambient or experimental "music",
go software or Access Virus.
I agree, part of what I liked about the Prophet 6 was that it's a focused instrument that responds well to pushing the boundaries
Or maybe it’s the user not the instrument that’s not good
The p6 is amazing, what I wanted from an instrument just changed over time. These days I’m more interested in a cleaner sound and have a rev2 that I adore