Running joke between me and a friend of mine that play this game, is that there's no point in putting a healing trinket on occultist, because 0+30% is still 0
I like the new item added to Butchers circus. Which increases your heal by 1-4 if im not mistaken. Do you can never hit 0. Pitty it cant be used in the standard dungeons.
Grave Robber made my most memorable run. My other 3 guys were killed and she carried the final fight alone by going in and out of stealth and dodging every attack while doing fat damage. An absolute beast.
I find it weird that the occultist doesn’t have his own healing boosting trinket. Most people use him primarily as a healer so it would make sense for him to have at least one healing trinket
I agreed with most of the last video, but gotta be honest, I'm addicted to that sweet sweet dopamine release when you crit for stupid damage that immediately erases a monster from existence even if it takes a couple turns.
You think I’m gonna watch an hour worth of content on in depth analysis of darkest dungeons character tier list... Your damn right!!! I even stayed for the last 14 minutes and throughly enjoyed. Well done sir!
I'm really enjoying the simple, yet characterful editing you're doing with this Great video my man, well worth the wait on this series. And as much as I want to argue certain characters are higher or lower the way you put across your points so objectively makes it very difficult for me to argue. Just as well written as the previous one
Thanks, I try lol. You're free to argue against character placement too since this is all opinion. If you wanted to make your own list I would be happy to see it lol.
Fully agree. It's a nice upside that herbs are useful in the weald and the warrens where she's best anyways. That way you're flexible and have the option to either destress if need be or collect more loot. Having options is always nice.
I'm happy that you put the Grave Robber in A tier, she's tricky but a blast to use. Most of the people I know who play the game are scared of her "dancing" around the party. Also because she tends to be a glass canon. Anyways Shadow Fade + Lunge =
@@fabshooter4891 I personally had a horrible time with her at first, all because I built all my characters' skill sets around one specific spot. And the Grave Robber, as well as the Jester, tend to hop around like crazy. I only recently found out that mobile/static parties are a thing, and it really opened my eyes to how much better some characters are than I thought they were.
@@georgiykireev9678 yeah exactly, i prefer static parties since that's one less factor i need to keep track of while also having the same results if not better, but mobile parties are great in low light situations or against the shambler since you can get shuffled, and are also way more fun.
When you're playing on the highest difficulty and no light runs which is the hardest possible way to play the game, she just isn't reliable. Her dodge doesn't help her because the enemies have ridiculous ACC, and her low HP means she will be torn apart in seconds. Also, you don't want a low HP character to have such high speed: she will go ahead of your healer and if she's on DD with a DOT, your healer won't be able to save them. You can tell this guy hasn't really played the more difficult parts of the game, Crusader and Highwayman have no place in S tier.
Hellion is my favorite front rank character by far. You should take into account that both her self debuffs and camping debuff from battle trance can be removed with a medicinal herbs, Just take a few extra. This also applies to the hangover from revel, which given some planning, can be used to remove 80 stress from the party for the cost of 4 medicinal herbs.
Talking about the occultist, he has one specific niche where he is extremely strong and that's marking parties. Yes, you dislike marking parties, but in the case that the player decides to build a marking party, the occultist is a top choice. A risky but high-damage marking party that I really like is Arbalest-Occultist-Houndmaster-Bounty Hunter. The occultist will almost always go first and mark a backline. What this does is it guarantees that the target will die in two moves (or by the end of the turn if it's a virago) and it does not waste the move of a damage-dealer. I don't know why you're saying that -Prot marks are better than -Dodge ones when at Champion you get backlines with 30 or even 50 dodge, like the hateful virago. A protted hit will just be lower than normal (but still high because of the mark), whereas a dodged hit would deal 0 damage. Having said that, the party I mentioned above I use almost exclusively in the weald because it's a mix of human-beast-eldritch.
I feel like in a vacuum Vestal is A but in practical terms she is an S because of how important healing is, add in the fact shes tanky and has a stun with the only group heal in the game makes her so good. With healing trinkets she is insane, maybe I'm just bad but I can't really think of a "Oh shit" boss or situation without her. She's so good that it actually highlights a flaw with the game, she is the only good healer, nothing else really comes close when looking at sustained consistent healing, I hope they have more fully viable healing classes in Darkest Dungeon 2. The new class balancing is great by the way, it makes it possible to have these discussions, it's surprising how far the game has come in terms of balance, so much so that I'd honestly be shocked if anyone agreed fully with any tier lists because of how well balanced the game is currently, you could make a case for a number of characters based on so many factors. Thanks for these videos, they are so interesting the hour flies by like it was 15 minutes!
Thanks for watching and I love your profile pic haha. You raise a great point about the healing system flaws. Between multiple actions and the damage output of certain monsters, she's almost required since you can't infinitely stun or reliably move enemies out of position the entire time. The game is in a great spot in terms of balance currently. Maybe there will be a follow up video talking about other tier lists in the future. Either way, thanks again for the in-depth comment.
In all honesty I like to use an infinite health cheat engine so I can play the game without Vestals every time. The stress mechanic is still a threat. No_Steam. No achievements. No VAC. No worries. Also guilty of doubling the backpack inventory size and removing item stacks. 4 trinkets per character without the negative trinket effects. Don't judge me :) I prefer mods.
I used to be afraid to have heroes move around the team with lunges and shuffles, but then I made a Grave Robber + Highwayman melee party. Best thing that ever happened to me.
regarding the Hellion camp skills - you use Revel when you are camping at the end of a dungeon right before going back to town to clear off stress because you don't care about the negatives to combat skills at that point
The demon's cauldron alone makes the case for making a team with an Occultist on spot 2. +3 crit helps the 9 crit of the stun skill and since you're in front that means +damage -stress so the stress debuffs are negligible. Great video
The A list has my favorite comp of four "G.Robber/Vestal/Jester/Hellion" with Helion and grave robber both being two favorite characters. The low HP on digger while under bleed/blight is spooky, but the synergy is so good since she can take over the 4h spot with her shadow skill, pushing characters to mid-near front. After 30h of playtime I started to realize why independant characters are so good, and they can be a safe pick as early as week 2.
While I disagree with your rankings quite a bit I will admit you did a good job in the analysis and in the end we all have our own opinions. Here is what I would rank: D: Antiquarian, Leper, Graverobber C: Bounty Hunter, Arbalest, Shieldbreaker, Flagellant B: Abomination, Plague Doctor, Crusader, Occultist A: MAA, Jester, Houndmaster, Vestal S: Highwayman, Hellion Like you said I don't think there is any real bad class, you can make all of them work effectively, just some I clearly find better than others in most situations.
I appreciate that you were able to articulate yourself and provide a counter-reference. There's some stuff in your list we agree on and other stuff we disagree, and even at face value your choices make sense. Thanks for watching and participating :)
I agree a lot more with this list, though I think Shieldbreaker is better than C. Also, Graverobber is nuts. Otherwise, it feels like the guy who made the video seriously undervalued the importance of Stuns.
Dog treats don't just raise Your DMG a little bit... At this moment, this buff grants 50% DMG AND 15 ACC buffs, so its more beneficial from the consistent approach, as it almost guarantees the hit, making it also noticeable stronger. From the RNG perspective it makes Your crits brutal, and if You also precede Your Hound's Rush with 'mark' it will almost every time eliminate one backliner, making 'mark' tactics more viable. Also, in the unfavorable course of battle, when it's used later it can show, how quickly the tide turns. About the Jester sickles: it's also good to have a choice between Harvest and Slice Off from the consistent point of view, as You may eliminate one of the two mid-standing monsters and need to execute more DMG and Bleed on the other one, and sometimes it's a matter of dealing these 2-4 more flat and DOT points of DMG to give You a free action of any other character, who doesn't have to deal with this particular monster anymore. I know You don't cover doubles, but this is when this choice really shines. The Flagellant, You covered him in the previous part, but I'd like to mention that I've never run out of his Exsanguinates and Redeems so far, even on the champion battles, so I think he's more valuable even now, and he can just replace back-line healer with being front-line tanky healer, which is very useful, as it gives Your back additional spot with a strong potential. Anyway, You made huge amount of great work, deep and comprehensive, very detailed, which supplemented my knowledge.
Thanks for the in depth comment. The dog treats are really good I agree. There will be tough fights or critical moments where popping one feels so relieving and helpful. I hadn't considered that about the jester. As for flagellant that is a good point. It's very hard to run out of both of those in a fight outside the endless harvest.
The choice between Harvest and Slice Off *does* come in handy if during CoM if you're faced with one enemy which Ripostes and one enemy which does not Riposte. That is pretty much the *only* case, though, and doesn't really justify that design.
I totally understand what you mean in regards to slice off and harvest because it reminds me of Pokemon, in that, there are some Pokemon that have 2 abilities that do the exact same thing and even if the ability itself is good it just feels like a waste because it's like 'you could have replace one of them with LITERALLY anything and I would've been happy.'
Just got back into the game and I have been digging some shieldbreaker/GR comps. Crazy damage and crits are awesome, even though they both are pretty squish.
I know this is 1 year old, and maibe you know this by now. But you can use Dog Treats to open the oyster and get a +25 dodge buff instead of gold/trinkets.
Currently doing a torchless run and though my adventurers are only lvl 4 max now the demon's cauldron with the occultist on rank 2 with his stun is insane! He can stun stressdealers due to his high speed, but also monsters with high stress like the collector, shambler etc. It's by far his best non-healing spell and the main reason to pick him. The other one would be that he's a rank 2 healer meaning you have more room in the back for Jester, Arbalest, Plague doctor or other versatility classes. I really love him with a speedy plague doc or arbalest to support his healing. I pretty much never want him to be my only healer.
I like the Jester's finale tbh, it's my go-to skill besides the stab, hymn and heal. Outside of longer fights I absolutely love it when I'm surprised at lower levels: It allows me to snipe a stresshealer most of the time, rearranging my party by putting him back where he belongs. The debuff he gives himself usually isn't that bad since he hit a stresshealer. At worst he gets an additional stress, but he has high dodge and usually his repositioning saves the party more potential stress than his debuff gives.
Thanks for these cool videos. I thought I knew the mechanics pretty well, but there were some obvious gaps in knowledge you've helped fill. Biggest of all I think I've really undervalued most of the mobility abilities (things that fix your positioning or hurt the enemies positioning). I'm doing a fresh run applying some of your advice and for the most part I agree.
Really love the list, very helpful to fuse your knowledge on the game with mine as I prep to do my first real full run. Ive played the game for years but never attempted to properly beat it. I consider myself good at the game, just to lazy to beat it, but obviously without beating a game, you are missing a lot of knowledge. So hearing whta you have to say is very nice and helpful. All I will reccmond is next time when making tier lists for games like this. Is when you reveal a class, reveal for them two builds. 1-their "general build" a build you will see them play in most games 2-A specialist build, a build you do when the game is all about them being your primary carry.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback :) The reason I didn't do builds this time is because I've been planning class guides and I'll cover a lot in those. I didn't consider your second idea of a "star of the show" type build but I'll see what I can work in when I get there. Good luck with your run! Feel free to let me know how it goes.
With regards to Plague Doctor's heal, I think it's important to note that one health is plenty to get people out from Death's Door reliably, along with removing any DoTs that are going to throw that hero straight back into dying when it's their turn. Specifically for moments where someone's dying, it's an absolutely invaluable heal, especially if you know that hero is going to take 10+ damage really soon anyways.
19:36 seriously, I always use Revel after that I for sure know there is end of run and I can just low stress level to zero points. It is the best camping skill for stress relief in the end of mission... You only need to plan the whole dungeon right and leave wood at the end in inventory. Sometimes leave treasure behind to grab it later, that's all.
As a new player this is very useful but I struggle to remember/reference it all, If you ever make a concise version of this a list of all the characters and their best moves/trinkets presented at the end might be helpful. Appreciate all your knowledge though. 🐙
I'm absolutely certain someone else has said this, but I didn't find any comments about it so here goes! The Houndmaster's Dog Treats interact with exactly one curio: The giant oysters in the Cove, which'll give you a hefty DODGE buff as a reward. The narration sounds utterly baffled that it works, too, it's great.
I've practically never run vestal's mace bash unless it was on a level zero where I couldn't access the guild hall yet, but I built a team today where it actually came in handy. I was running crusader in rank four so he could lance the squishies in the back on the first few rounds, and I stuck mace bash on her so she could bonk the front line guys while she was waiting on crusader to bump her to rank three. It helped soften up the front lines, and it was handy in cases where the party got scrambled. This was a low level gold digging team (it also ran antiquarian and leper), so it's probably not that viable at higher levels, but for quick gold runs it was pretty great.
Sanctuary on vestal completely saved my run once during a courtyard mission with the viscount everyone on my party has reached death's door at some point and everyone was at somewhat low hp and high stress using sanctuary felt sooooo good healing everyone to like almost max hp and removing a huge chunk of stress
I love grave robbers. I feel you really under estimate how good blight is at farming shamblers and high hp bosses. A nice team i like to use is Vestle with party heal. 2 plague docs (switch 1 for grave robber or abom) With a Helion. Litterally just keep throwing blight at the boss, when an add appears, throw one blight at it then let the helion finish it off. Blight can effect everything, but can be hard ro la d, bit nearly every blight skill reduces targets blight resistance. Abom makes for a great double bloght bomb to row 2 and 3, with a plague doc hitting row 3 and 4, that means row 3 is going to die very quickly, thus moving row 4 to row 3 and that then gets hit with the aboms double blight. Leaving the rest of your damage dealers to deal with whatever is left at position 1. Nice vids though, i can see why you make the arguments you do XD
My problem with the Houndmaster is it feels like he's a slightly subpar character without the dog biscuits. So you are taking a long a subpar character for the chance of having an S tier character in two fights.
Overall, I think you're underselling the Grave Robber a little bit and that she does deserve that S tier position. As you yourself said, the Top Shelf Tonic and Sharpened Letter Opener add a LOT of damage to her kit. Her Blight easily spikes up to 30+ damage per attack, at any position, with extremely strong accuracy and one of the better crit chances and amazing accuracy. Atop that, her crit stacking can get so high that she is functionally able to fill the role of a stress healer. Admittedly that's RNG atop RNG, but it's not at all uncommon for her to hot-streak crits, and in doing so, significantly reduce the stress of the party. Sure, it's not a jester, but it's still excellent.
On jester, I don’t really think he’s meant to be focused around finale, of course you should aim for the insane crit but you’re not exactly meant to go all in unless the fight naturally lasts that long, cause at any point you can use finale and it’ll do a large amount of damage.
Early game I like to run both sacred scroll and Junia's head on vestal. It does interfere with her stun and damage, which isn't ideal, and she's more prone to stress obviously, but it pumps her healing up so much that I think it's worth it.
front two hellions, grave robber, and vestal party is really sick, and the hellion revel is one of the best camp skills to bring for stress. If you camp at the end of a dungeon with two hellions both with revel, you can bring that same team out again on the next mission, rinse and repeat. Using the crimson court set on one hellion brings her speed and damage way up -into the S tier speed amount you mentioned, and on the second hellion have the thirsting blade and another trinket for more S tier speed and accuracy, and you have an incredible combo
My cultist literally solo swine prince after my party died. He took deaths doors many time and managed to get by with self heal, high dodge rate, and lucky moments.
I'm just wondering do you usually play newer AAA live service games? Older games? Indie games? Because DD feels like passionate game development from the 90's to early 2000's era.
@@tokiwartooth4404 I've played games from the 90's, JRPG's like Pokemon and Persona. I loved the Playstation 2 back in the day, it was by far my favorite console. Nowadays I use my PC to play games across many genres. Open world, RPG'S, Shooters, Platformers, Sidescrollers, Survival, etc. I have a pretty wide field of taste when it comes to video games. I think I tend to prefer JRPG's the most, but I'm open to try almost anything.
@@falkarios2944 Yeah I made the mistake of dumping hundreds into the short life expectancy PS3 a couple times. Meanwhile my PS2 I bought pre-owned sometime around the year 2000 still works by some miracle even with all the miles on it. All desktop now since I have all those great older games from the 90's on one platform with emulator upscaling and GPU scaling. Also mods of course. NES to PS2 era was what I would call the Golden Age of gaming before it got grabbed by CEOs and shareholders. I did get to enjoy some Battlefield and other war games online play during PS3 before the big industry became casino slots for in-game stats and mods. Thankfully we still get some gems like DD, or Dark Souls Remastered for PC just last year. And the cheat engines/cosmetic mods are free :)
If Vestel doesn't make S-tier because she doesn't excel at damage dealing, then Highway Man shouldn't make S-tier because he doesn't excel at healing. 55:58
The difference is you don't need everyone to heal. You can stun or be faster than the enemy, camp, eat food, and use curio. Healing comes in many forms. Everyone has to chip in on damage at some point and that's primarily from hero skills.
I still remember my main team of Flagellant, Houndmaster, Grave Robber, and Arbalest/Musketeer. A great time, always run that squad when I can. Mark and bleed boys.
I'm a noob so this was pretty helpful to hear how ya think HOWEVER I have a correction: you can feed Dog Treats to Oysters in the Cove for treasure! Not sure if it's better than a shovel.
I know this is a year late, but Jester needs Slice Off to be a backstep move. He can move forward with Dirk Stab, but has no way of moving back outside of Finale, which is so situational it kinda doesn't count. Somebody needs to make a mod for that.
for hellion you said never use revel, you can just bring 4 herbs and totally remove the debuff right after camping if you dont mind spending the inventory slot and 900odd gold makes it solid stress management
Lol, the comment of "ignore me, the demon cauldron is great the more I think about it" basically sums up my experience with it. Once you discover how good that stun is at 180% stun chance, it's hard to go back to making him use anything else (that being said, my occultist has hard skinned locked in so that helps with his survivability in rank 2). I'm pretty sure the trinket was nerfed recently, from 40% to 30%, and it still feels very strong. I think Occultist is my fav class just because it can do so many things, and it can do all of those things well, every one of his skills are worth using. Plus, he's almost a stress healer with just how often he gets those damn crits.
Witch's Vial+Blasphemous Vial used to be the most OP trinket combo in the game. I believe it was +65% stun chance at one point. You could chain three stuns in a row on the back line. At that point the Plague Doctor was easily the best character.
My biggest issue with the grave robber is how much of a glass cannon she can be. Specifically a glass canon that doesn't always fire cannon balls, due to her base damage being relatively low and being reliant on crits for a lot of those deeper cuts. Her more constant movement causes her to get focused sporadically, so you end up deciding not to heal her cause shes only down 3 health, then she gets crit and is instantly at deaths door on the very next turn.
The musketeer has been my MVP in many battles so far, so I would disagree with you on that at least. She DECIMATES rear enemies the more you upgrade her. Use her with good frontliners and a battle could be done in 2 turns easily... And even more so if you have an occultist in the third row! It's a bit risky with low accuracy, if course, but a MUST if you want an offensive strategy.
Right or wrong (not saying you're wrong :p) i highly appreciate when someone puts so much effort to go so deep with analisys of something this vid is superbly done and highly entertaining i watched all 4 parts you deserve it :)
I think jester is still s tier, matching him with an occultist makes it really hard for your team to be in any trouble besides bosses, and i think his finale while taking a long time to set up is honestly worth it, it attacks anywhere and 9/10 hits, usually crits, which is very good against bosses that spawn things to block your frontline or keeps jumping around, his buff on leper or hellion is crazy especially if you get hellion to do her bt and sharpen, consistent 30-40 damage and 60 crits, AND the best destress in the game i mean come on
I just realized that the stress that occultist deals to himself and others with his camping skills is heavily alleviated by his capability of dumping crits on the enemy. what a fantastic character, good lord.
When I played this game a lot 3 years ago, I always felt like Houndmaster was S tier, because of: having a stun that hits 3 + the only AoE stress heal (used to be the strongest stress heal in the game?) + self heal + being able to hit all positions from all positions + Guard for some bosses. Did something change? Did he get nerfed?
Helion has fantastic synergy with Vestal. Helion takes a chunk out of rank 4. Somebody else may be needed to finish them off. Vestal stuns rank 3. Abom could do the same. And that is turn 1 being fairly uneventful. I auto-lock that +4 speed on turn on on Helion just for Iron Swan alone. I find myself building my parties around Helion and her not needing Barbaric Yawp. Bleed Out quite often replaces Wicked Hack. I love my Helions. Give them speed, accuracy and dodge and they will happily do whatever you ask them to do. Also, if you got two brain cells to rub together you know how to play plague doctor. If I have one in my Helion party, she may NOT open with Blinding Flash.
Having played them for a bit it's shocking to me how he just disregarded all her benefits over the arbalest and put her straight in the C tier. For me its an easy A tier as it pairs well with an occultist and bounty hunter along with any choice of frontliner.
The 0 heal plus bleed actually killed one of my characters in my first play through. The graveyard says "died to a wound inflicted by another hero" or something lol.
If i don't have any better trinkets to use on him i like putting on the purifying crystal, it gives +40% resist and -15% chance to bleed, blight and i think debuff, he doesn't have blight skills and i don't use his debuffs often so the last two things are null, while the -bleed chance is actually perfect for the job since it turns a negative trait into a positive.
You use revel if you already cleared a dungeon. Prevent nighttime ambush>Revel> huge stress relief and you're leaving anyway. I use it all the time that way and it saves me a lot of gold.
Im pretty new honestly, but ive beendpublestacking front hellian, with the spear and move attack. The whole fight one of them is either single targeting for kills, stunning the front two, or swapping with the other hellion. I know this was an independent list though.
For hellion I do use revel a lot mostly at the end of a dungeon if I lasted without using my camps and I also like the idea of having like a party and going through a dungeon drunk but the negative stats are really bad
1:07:00 You give toxin trickery too much credit, blights and bleeds kill the most characters in my experience, first hit drops them to 0 and the bleed/blight kills, so you want them removed BEFORE your turn. If this move could be used once per battle to cancel one bleed/blight it'd actually be worth using.
@@ShuffleFM Exactly! It would also fit, with what the grave robber is actually doing, drinking another toxin that reacts with the blight, rendering both harmless and giving her a little boost. Plus this way you don't have to take that first tick of damage in the first place. You either use the ability proactively or don't use it. A grave robber isn't sturdy enough to take more than a hit or 2 without being on death's door and trying to cure damage over time while at 0 hp is too late anyway.
i think you're missing the use of solo as a distraction, since it marks you and gives you dodge, you can abuse the enemy ai in order to basically get a free turn
If we were talking about Pre-CoM I would agree with Grave Robbers placement but Post-CoM, I have to disagree. Needing both mark and blight setup to do her damage potential as well as actively disrupting party formation too heavily restricts her usage to being anything above C tier. But that's just like... my opinion... man.
I like the reference lol. I find it surprising you feel that way since I think her COM buffs were really good. Yeah her damage spreads out on thrown dagger but shadow fade became a really great skill at the same time.
I just noticed at 21 min, that all the characters that wound up in my fav team are yet to be mentioned, and I start wondering if my noob ass actually felt my way to an S tier team. Not that that is better than any team with good balance and synergy, but it's kinda cool nonetheless.
A tier-
Start of video - Jester
@9:00 - Houndmaster
@15:30 - Hellion
@25:00 - Plague Doctor
@38:25 - Occultist
@50:25 - Vestal
@1:01:20 - Grave Robber
Side note - Musketeer @37:50
Music gets damn-dramatic once you get to the houndmaster.
For real. I hope you opt for the camping soundtrack for future tier lists
Running joke between me and a friend of mine that play this game, is that there's no point in putting a healing trinket on occultist, because 0+30% is still 0
0 and a bleed. Feels good
Just be thankfull the bleed doesn't have a chance to crit or reduce your acc
@@mrman-yj3bn "My mother recently passed away :("
"Just be thankful your dad didn't die too!"
@@RedRed.917 true
I like the new item added to Butchers circus. Which increases your heal by 1-4 if im not mistaken. Do you can never hit 0.
Pitty it cant be used in the standard dungeons.
Grave Robber made my most memorable run. My other 3 guys were killed and she carried the final fight alone by going in and out of stealth and dodging every attack while doing fat damage. An absolute beast.
Same happened to me. That character is so fun!
Mine was leper, dude T-posed and still won whilst surviving 6+ deaths door checks
@@reubenthawmte8504King Baldwin from Kingdom of Heaven is pleased.
I ONLY REALIZED WATCHING YOUR B ROLL AT 31:45 THAT YOU CAN CHANGE ABILITIES MID-DUNGEON
It's life changing haha
Wait. What the hell, YOU CAN DO THAT??? I’ve played this game for 200 hrs and I didn’t know that. My entire life is a lie...
me too...
WHAT!?!?!
Lol
The amount of familiarity this guy has built with this game is obscene. I'm in awe of it.
I find it weird that the occultist doesn’t have his own healing boosting trinket. Most people use him primarily as a healer so it would make sense for him to have at least one healing trinket
a trinket that added flat numbers to his healing, maybe a +3 or 5? that'd be god-tier
@@empirecrumbles615 Wyrd Reconstruction's rolls are always "lucky" -15% healing. -15% bleed resist
That's wyrd..
I passed out with auto play on, woke up to this as a welcomed surprise
Thanks for checking it out, and thanks to youtube algorithm for the help lol
Lol. Same
Same
I swear to god, same.
I refuse to use the Occultist as a primary healer.
"OK, we're at Death's Door, need Wyrd Reconstruction.
0 heal, adds bleed.
Well f$#&."
I actually have a death from Occultist bleed in my first file. Not sure why I didn't swear them off then.
Occultist: "I don't normally heal for 0, but when I do I bleed lol"
All I need is a minimum heal of 1 on this guy. Thats all I'm asking
@@bobthebox2993 *Crit 0*
I agreed with most of the last video, but gotta be honest, I'm addicted to that sweet sweet dopamine release when you crit for stupid damage that immediately erases a monster from existence even if it takes a couple turns.
Reynauld and Dismas made it to S
It was meant to be lol. It's probably gonna be about 45 minutes to an hour just to dissect that pair.
And on the way, we found redemption.
Reynaud is a fucking thief. Lol
Just 2 of them can defeat the ancestor alone
Reynauld is now resting in pieces in my run, bullied by backrow stressers into a heart attack
1:16
I also have a Jester named Cicero, lol.
Oh yeah and your list is great! Love the analysis!
You think I’m gonna watch an hour worth of content on in depth analysis of darkest dungeons character tier list...
Your damn right!!! I even stayed for the last 14 minutes and throughly enjoyed. Well done sir!
I didn't know you even played this haha
ShuffleFM I bought it and played just haven’t had time to play in depth with Dota.
I'm really enjoying the simple, yet characterful editing you're doing with this
Great video my man, well worth the wait on this series. And as much as I want to argue certain characters are higher or lower the way you put across your points so objectively makes it very difficult for me to argue. Just as well written as the previous one
Thanks, I try lol. You're free to argue against character placement too since this is all opinion. If you wanted to make your own list I would be happy to see it lol.
Love this series so far. Little tip though: Revel is actually god tier with Hellion so long as you bring herbs to cure the debuff.
Fully agree. It's a nice upside that herbs are useful in the weald and the warrens where she's best anyways.
That way you're flexible and have the option to either destress if need be or collect more loot. Having options is always nice.
Or if you made it through the dungeon without needing the camp partway, camp at the end, take the stress heal, then leave.
Hey man cool to see you here
@@rareroe305 makes it seem less of a mid-foray breather and more like a victory celebration
Nothing else cures a hangover better than some DRUGS
I'm happy that you put the Grave Robber in A tier, she's tricky but a blast to use. Most of the people I know who play the game are scared of her "dancing" around the party. Also because she tends to be a glass canon. Anyways Shadow Fade + Lunge =
Yeah I think between her glass cannon aspect and moveset people just don't take the time to figure her out so they think she's worse than she is.
Also I think people don't think that other party members need their skills tuned a bit for the her to work smoothly.
@@fabshooter4891 I personally had a horrible time with her at first, all because I built all my characters' skill sets around one specific spot. And the Grave Robber, as well as the Jester, tend to hop around like crazy. I only recently found out that mobile/static parties are a thing, and it really opened my eyes to how much better some characters are than I thought they were.
@@georgiykireev9678 yeah exactly, i prefer static parties since that's one less factor i need to keep track of while also having the same results if not better, but mobile parties are great in low light situations or against the shambler since you can get shuffled, and are also way more fun.
When you're playing on the highest difficulty and no light runs which is the hardest possible way to play the game, she just isn't reliable. Her dodge doesn't help her because the enemies have ridiculous ACC, and her low HP means she will be torn apart in seconds.
Also, you don't want a low HP character to have such high speed: she will go ahead of your healer and if she's on DD with a DOT, your healer won't be able to save them.
You can tell this guy hasn't really played the more difficult parts of the game, Crusader and Highwayman have no place in S tier.
Hellion is my favorite front rank character by far. You should take into account that both her self debuffs and camping debuff from battle trance can be removed with a medicinal herbs, Just take a few extra. This also applies to the hangover from revel, which given some planning, can be used to remove 80 stress from the party for the cost of 4 medicinal herbs.
Talking about the occultist, he has one specific niche where he is extremely strong and that's marking parties. Yes, you dislike marking parties, but in the case that the player decides to build a marking party, the occultist is a top choice.
A risky but high-damage marking party that I really like is Arbalest-Occultist-Houndmaster-Bounty Hunter. The occultist will almost always go first and mark a backline. What this does is it guarantees that the target will die in two moves (or by the end of the turn if it's a virago) and it does not waste the move of a damage-dealer. I don't know why you're saying that -Prot marks are better than -Dodge ones when at Champion you get backlines with 30 or even 50 dodge, like the hateful virago. A protted hit will just be lower than normal (but still high because of the mark), whereas a dodged hit would deal 0 damage.
Having said that, the party I mentioned above I use almost exclusively in the weald because it's a mix of human-beast-eldritch.
I feel like in a vacuum Vestal is A but in practical terms she is an S because of how important healing is, add in the fact shes tanky and has a stun with the only group heal in the game makes her so good. With healing trinkets she is insane, maybe I'm just bad but I can't really think of a "Oh shit" boss or situation without her.
She's so good that it actually highlights a flaw with the game, she is the only good healer, nothing else really comes close when looking at sustained consistent healing, I hope they have more fully viable healing classes in Darkest Dungeon 2.
The new class balancing is great by the way, it makes it possible to have these discussions, it's surprising how far the game has come in terms of balance, so much so that I'd honestly be shocked if anyone agreed fully with any tier lists because of how well balanced the game is currently, you could make a case for a number of characters based on so many factors.
Thanks for these videos, they are so interesting the hour flies by like it was 15 minutes!
Thanks for watching and I love your profile pic haha. You raise a great point about the healing system flaws. Between multiple actions and the damage output of certain monsters, she's almost required since you can't infinitely stun or reliably move enemies out of position the entire time. The game is in a great spot in terms of balance currently. Maybe there will be a follow up video talking about other tier lists in the future. Either way, thanks again for the in-depth comment.
In all honesty I like to use an infinite health cheat engine so I can play the game without Vestals every time.
The stress mechanic is still a threat. No_Steam. No achievements. No VAC. No worries.
Also guilty of doubling the backpack inventory size and removing item stacks. 4 trinkets per character without the negative trinket effects. Don't judge me :) I prefer mods.
@@tokiwartooth4404 Hey you paid full price, go wild and have fun :).
@@tokiwartooth4404 what a biiiiiiitch
@@TheMysteriouswatcher I also mod the game manually so that's half the fun to me.
I used to be afraid to have heroes move around the team with lunges and shuffles, but then I made a Grave Robber + Highwayman melee party. Best thing that ever happened to me.
regarding the Hellion camp skills - you use Revel when you are camping at the end of a dungeon right before going back to town to clear off stress because you don't care about the negatives to combat skills at that point
The demon's cauldron alone makes the case for making a team with an Occultist on spot 2. +3 crit helps the 9 crit of the stun skill and since you're in front that means +damage -stress so the stress debuffs are negligible.
Great video
The A list has my favorite comp of four "G.Robber/Vestal/Jester/Hellion" with Helion and grave robber both being two favorite characters.
The low HP on digger while under bleed/blight is spooky, but the synergy is so good since she can take over the 4h spot with her shadow skill, pushing characters to mid-near front.
After 30h of playtime I started to realize why independant characters are so good, and they can be a safe pick as early as week 2.
While I disagree with your rankings quite a bit I will admit you did a good job in the analysis and in the end we all have our own opinions. Here is what I would rank:
D: Antiquarian, Leper, Graverobber
C: Bounty Hunter, Arbalest, Shieldbreaker, Flagellant
B: Abomination, Plague Doctor, Crusader, Occultist
A: MAA, Jester, Houndmaster, Vestal
S: Highwayman, Hellion
Like you said I don't think there is any real bad class, you can make all of them work effectively, just some I clearly find better than others in most situations.
I appreciate that you were able to articulate yourself and provide a counter-reference. There's some stuff in your list we agree on and other stuff we disagree, and even at face value your choices make sense. Thanks for watching and participating :)
@@ShuffleFM No problem. Keep up the good work my friend.
I agree a lot more with this list, though I think Shieldbreaker is better than C. Also, Graverobber is nuts. Otherwise, it feels like the guy who made the video seriously undervalued the importance of Stuns.
I like how the thumbnails are inverse spoilers, as the preview tierlist you see is COMPLETELY different from the one in the videos.
Hmm, maybe I should make it a direct inverse lol.
"Getting a better feel for the editing as we go along." you are teaching us and learning at the same time, very happy for you and thx for the video!
*laughs in 4 party jester*
10:55 you fool. you can give the treats to the clam in the cove for loot
An upside to bringing HM to cove!
@@ShuffleFM indeed!
You get a dodge buff not loot mate.
Rikuto Kun it’s not for when he’s a good doggie 🐶?
@@ANGST.ARGENTINA yea u right sorry
Dog treats don't just raise Your DMG a little bit...
At this moment, this buff grants 50% DMG AND 15 ACC buffs, so its more beneficial from the consistent approach, as it almost guarantees the hit, making it also noticeable stronger.
From the RNG perspective it makes Your crits brutal, and if You also precede Your Hound's Rush with 'mark' it will almost every time eliminate one backliner, making 'mark' tactics more viable.
Also, in the unfavorable course of battle, when it's used later it can show, how quickly the tide turns.
About the Jester sickles: it's also good to have a choice between Harvest and Slice Off from the consistent point of view, as You may eliminate one of the two mid-standing monsters and need to execute more DMG and Bleed on the other one, and sometimes it's a matter of dealing these 2-4 more flat and DOT points of DMG to give You a free action of any other character, who doesn't have to deal with this particular monster anymore. I know You don't cover doubles, but this is when this choice really shines.
The Flagellant, You covered him in the previous part, but I'd like to mention that I've never run out of his Exsanguinates and Redeems so far, even on the champion battles, so I think he's more valuable even now, and he can just replace back-line healer with being front-line tanky healer, which is very useful, as it gives Your back additional spot with a strong potential.
Anyway, You made huge amount of great work, deep and comprehensive, very detailed, which supplemented my knowledge.
Thanks for the in depth comment. The dog treats are really good I agree. There will be tough fights or critical moments where popping one feels so relieving and helpful. I hadn't considered that about the jester. As for flagellant that is a good point. It's very hard to run out of both of those in a fight outside the endless harvest.
The Hellion's Revel is sometimes a good way to restore stress if you have a camp left at the end of a dungeon.
The choice between Harvest and Slice Off *does* come in handy if during CoM if you're faced with one enemy which Ripostes and one enemy which does not Riposte. That is pretty much the *only* case, though, and doesn't really justify that design.
I totally understand what you mean in regards to slice off and harvest because it reminds me of Pokemon, in that, there are some Pokemon that have 2 abilities that do the exact same thing and even if the ability itself is good it just feels like a waste because it's like 'you could have replace one of them with LITERALLY anything and I would've been happy.'
Just got back into the game and I have been digging some shieldbreaker/GR comps. Crazy damage and crits are awesome, even though they both are pretty squish.
You can get shieldbreaker to respectable hp, but it takes a while. Good synergy with those 2.
the vestals' judgement move is actually a sleeper decent chip stress heal, since it does 2 crit rolls, one for the healing and one for the damage.
stun adds light, so there's that too
-For free
-Chunking down
-Fat damage
Magnificent.
I know this is 1 year old, and maibe you know this by now. But you can use Dog Treats to open the oyster and get a +25 dodge buff instead of gold/trinkets.
Currently doing a torchless run and though my adventurers are only lvl 4 max now the demon's cauldron with the occultist on rank 2 with his stun is insane! He can stun stressdealers due to his high speed, but also monsters with high stress like the collector, shambler etc. It's by far his best non-healing spell and the main reason to pick him. The other one would be that he's a rank 2 healer meaning you have more room in the back for Jester, Arbalest, Plague doctor or other versatility classes. I really love him with a speedy plague doc or arbalest to support his healing. I pretty much never want him to be my only healer.
I like the Jester's finale tbh, it's my go-to skill besides the stab, hymn and heal.
Outside of longer fights I absolutely love it when I'm surprised at lower levels: It allows me to snipe a stresshealer most of the time, rearranging my party by putting him back where he belongs.
The debuff he gives himself usually isn't that bad since he hit a stresshealer. At worst he gets an additional stress, but he has high dodge and usually his repositioning saves the party more potential stress than his debuff gives.
I have been getting back into this game. And I gotta say dude, your vids are super informative. Thanks a lot for all the hard work.
Thanks for these cool videos. I thought I knew the mechanics pretty well, but there were some obvious gaps in knowledge you've helped fill. Biggest of all I think I've really undervalued most of the mobility abilities (things that fix your positioning or hurt the enemies positioning). I'm doing a fresh run applying some of your advice and for the most part I agree.
It makes me happy to hear someone ranking heroes and also talking about their character themes
Really love the list, very helpful to fuse your knowledge on the game with mine as I prep to do my first real full run.
Ive played the game for years but never attempted to properly beat it. I consider myself good at the game, just to lazy to beat it, but obviously without beating a game, you are missing a lot of knowledge. So hearing whta you have to say is very nice and helpful.
All I will reccmond is next time when making tier lists for games like this. Is when you reveal a class, reveal for them two builds.
1-their "general build" a build you will see them play in most games
2-A specialist build, a build you do when the game is all about them being your primary carry.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback :)
The reason I didn't do builds this time is because I've been planning class guides and I'll cover a lot in those. I didn't consider your second idea of a "star of the show" type build but I'll see what I can work in when I get there. Good luck with your run! Feel free to let me know how it goes.
31:45 that quirks on the crusader holy moe
btw the name, heh, i got that reference
With regards to Plague Doctor's heal, I think it's important to note that one health is plenty to get people out from Death's Door reliably, along with removing any DoTs that are going to throw that hero straight back into dying when it's their turn. Specifically for moments where someone's dying, it's an absolutely invaluable heal, especially if you know that hero is going to take 10+ damage really soon anyways.
19:36 seriously, I always use Revel after that I for sure know there is end of run and I can just low stress level to zero points. It is the best camping skill for stress relief in the end of mission... You only need to plan the whole dungeon right and leave wood at the end in inventory. Sometimes leave treasure behind to grab it later, that's all.
Either that or just use medicinal herbs. Just bring some herbs and all her camping skill debuffs are gone.
As a new player this is very useful but I struggle to remember/reference it all, If you ever make a concise version of this a list of all the characters and their best moves/trinkets presented at the end might be helpful. Appreciate all your knowledge though. 🐙
Good idea
I'm absolutely certain someone else has said this, but I didn't find any comments about it so here goes! The Houndmaster's Dog Treats interact with exactly one curio: The giant oysters in the Cove, which'll give you a hefty DODGE buff as a reward. The narration sounds utterly baffled that it works, too, it's great.
I've practically never run vestal's mace bash unless it was on a level zero where I couldn't access the guild hall yet, but I built a team today where it actually came in handy. I was running crusader in rank four so he could lance the squishies in the back on the first few rounds, and I stuck mace bash on her so she could bonk the front line guys while she was waiting on crusader to bump her to rank three. It helped soften up the front lines, and it was handy in cases where the party got scrambled. This was a low level gold digging team (it also ran antiquarian and leper), so it's probably not that viable at higher levels, but for quick gold runs it was pretty great.
Sanctuary on vestal completely saved my run once during a courtyard mission with the viscount
everyone on my party has reached death's door at some point and everyone was at somewhat low hp and high stress
using sanctuary felt sooooo good healing everyone to like almost max hp and removing a huge chunk of stress
Best Finale use is with Plague Doctor damage buffing so you can beat the Heart of Darkness without losing a Party Member
I love grave robbers.
I feel you really under estimate how good blight is at farming shamblers and high hp bosses.
A nice team i like to use is
Vestle with party heal.
2 plague docs (switch 1 for grave robber or abom)
With a Helion.
Litterally just keep throwing blight at the boss, when an add appears, throw one blight at it then let the helion finish it off.
Blight can effect everything, but can be hard ro la d, bit nearly every blight skill reduces targets blight resistance.
Abom makes for a great double bloght bomb to row 2 and 3, with a plague doc hitting row 3 and 4, that means row 3 is going to die very quickly, thus moving row 4 to row 3 and that then gets hit with the aboms double blight.
Leaving the rest of your damage dealers to deal with whatever is left at position 1.
Nice vids though, i can see why you make the arguments you do XD
My problem with the Houndmaster is it feels like he's a slightly subpar character without the dog biscuits. So you are taking a long a subpar character for the chance of having an S tier character in two fights.
Overall, I think you're underselling the Grave Robber a little bit and that she does deserve that S tier position. As you yourself said, the Top Shelf Tonic and Sharpened Letter Opener add a LOT of damage to her kit. Her Blight easily spikes up to 30+ damage per attack, at any position, with extremely strong accuracy and one of the better crit chances and amazing accuracy. Atop that, her crit stacking can get so high that she is functionally able to fill the role of a stress healer. Admittedly that's RNG atop RNG, but it's not at all uncommon for her to hot-streak crits, and in doing so, significantly reduce the stress of the party. Sure, it's not a jester, but it's still excellent.
On jester, I don’t really think he’s meant to be focused around finale, of course you should aim for the insane crit but you’re not exactly meant to go all in unless the fight naturally lasts that long, cause at any point you can use finale and it’ll do a large amount of damage.
I know I'm a bit late but you had a vestal in either every party or almost every party in the video. I think you were wrong not place her in S tier.
Early game I like to run both sacred scroll and Junia's head on vestal. It does interfere with her stun and damage, which isn't ideal, and she's more prone to stress obviously, but it pumps her healing up so much that I think it's worth it.
front two hellions, grave robber, and vestal party is really sick, and the hellion revel is one of the best camp skills to bring for stress. If you camp at the end of a dungeon with two hellions both with revel, you can bring that same team out again on the next mission, rinse and repeat. Using the crimson court set on one hellion brings her speed and damage way up -into the S tier speed amount you mentioned, and on the second hellion have the thirsting blade and another trinket for more S tier speed and accuracy, and you have an incredible combo
Sounds fun, I'll give it a shot.
My cultist literally solo swine prince after my party died. He took deaths doors many time and managed to get by with self heal, high dodge rate, and lucky moments.
I bought this game and played it after you posted part one for this tier list. This game is very addicting.
Awesome! I hope you love it :)
I'm just wondering do you usually play newer AAA live service games? Older games? Indie games?
Because DD feels like passionate game development from the 90's to early 2000's era.
@@tokiwartooth4404 I've played games from the 90's, JRPG's like Pokemon and Persona. I loved the Playstation 2 back in the day, it was by far my favorite console. Nowadays I use my PC to play games across many genres. Open world, RPG'S, Shooters, Platformers, Sidescrollers, Survival, etc. I have a pretty wide field of taste when it comes to video games. I think I tend to prefer JRPG's the most, but I'm open to try almost anything.
@@falkarios2944 Yeah I made the mistake of dumping hundreds into the short life expectancy PS3 a couple times.
Meanwhile my PS2 I bought pre-owned sometime around the year 2000 still works by some miracle even with all the miles on it.
All desktop now since I have all those great older games from the 90's on one platform with emulator upscaling and GPU scaling. Also mods of course.
NES to PS2 era was what I would call the Golden Age of gaming before it got grabbed by CEOs and shareholders.
I did get to enjoy some Battlefield and other war games online play during PS3 before the big industry became casino slots for in-game stats and mods.
Thankfully we still get some gems like DD, or Dark Souls Remastered for PC just last year. And the cheat engines/cosmetic mods are free :)
If Vestel doesn't make S-tier because she doesn't excel at damage dealing, then Highway Man shouldn't make S-tier because he doesn't excel at healing.
55:58
The difference is you don't need everyone to heal. You can stun or be faster than the enemy, camp, eat food, and use curio. Healing comes in many forms. Everyone has to chip in on damage at some point and that's primarily from hero skills.
@@ShuffleFM Fair enough.
I still remember my main team of Flagellant, Houndmaster, Grave Robber, and Arbalest/Musketeer.
A great time, always run that squad when I can. Mark and bleed boys.
Totally feel you on the part about the Jester having a wasted move.
I love the editing in this. I see you tiny iron swan movie poster
I'm a noob so this was pretty helpful to hear how ya think
HOWEVER I have a correction: you can feed Dog Treats to Oysters in the Cove for treasure! Not sure if it's better than a shovel.
I actually dont use finale or solo and only use group buff/stress heal along with sickle attacks
I know this is a year late, but Jester needs Slice Off to be a backstep move. He can move forward with Dirk Stab, but has no way of moving back outside of Finale, which is so situational it kinda doesn't count. Somebody needs to make a mod for that.
for hellion you said never use revel, you can just bring 4 herbs and totally remove the debuff right after camping if you dont mind spending the inventory slot and 900odd gold
makes it solid stress management
“Dog treats are only for a little damage boost to one character and that’s it.”
Oysters: *Hungry noises*
10:40 Graveposting, I know, but they open up the clams in the Cove.
Personally, I used to LOVE the Graverobber but the nerfs were really mean to her. Obviously mah bois Reynauld and Dismas are S tier!
Lol, the comment of "ignore me, the demon cauldron is great the more I think about it" basically sums up my experience with it. Once you discover how good that stun is at 180% stun chance, it's hard to go back to making him use anything else (that being said, my occultist has hard skinned locked in so that helps with his survivability in rank 2). I'm pretty sure the trinket was nerfed recently, from 40% to 30%, and it still feels very strong.
I think Occultist is my fav class just because it can do so many things, and it can do all of those things well, every one of his skills are worth using. Plus, he's almost a stress healer with just how often he gets those damn crits.
A bit late for comment but: 1. Rebel skill is quite usefull ... if you have herbs as you can use those to get rid of the debuff.
Can you? That makes it better for sure if so.
Witch's Vial+Blasphemous Vial used to be the most OP trinket combo in the game. I believe it was +65% stun chance at one point. You could chain three stuns in a row on the back line.
At that point the Plague Doctor was easily the best character.
And the stun resist buff was only 40% iirc, easily a busted character lol.
@@ShuffleFM Yeah she was.
My biggest issue with the grave robber is how much of a glass cannon she can be. Specifically a glass canon that doesn't always fire cannon balls, due to her base damage being relatively low and being reliant on crits for a lot of those deeper cuts. Her more constant movement causes her to get focused sporadically, so you end up deciding not to heal her cause shes only down 3 health, then she gets crit and is instantly at deaths door on the very next turn.
If you get the blast. vial,your plague doctor is set for the entire campaing
Shrieker stealing trinkets event:Im about to ruin this man's whole career
Great vid but the music is way too loud in certain parts
Thanks, I appreciate the technical feedback. I'll be more conscious about it in the next one :)
44:29 This inspired me to name my go-to Occultist "Ricardo"
Houndmaster is incredible!! He with my Crusader and Abbomination is basically my A team every time that I have than available
The musketeer has been my MVP in many battles so far, so I would disagree with you on that at least. She DECIMATES rear enemies the more you upgrade her. Use her with good frontliners and a battle could be done in 2 turns easily... And even more so if you have an occultist in the third row! It's a bit risky with low accuracy, if course, but a MUST if you want an offensive strategy.
Right or wrong (not saying you're wrong :p) i highly appreciate when someone puts so much effort to go so deep with analisys of something this vid is superbly done and highly entertaining i watched all 4 parts you deserve it :)
Who doesn't love grave robber's movement, you just haven't tried it with highwayman. This dancing party is just demolishing
I think jester is still s tier, matching him with an occultist makes it really hard for your team to be in any trouble besides bosses, and i think his finale while taking a long time to set up is honestly worth it, it attacks anywhere and 9/10 hits, usually crits, which is very good against bosses that spawn things to block your frontline or keeps jumping around, his buff on leper or hellion is crazy especially if you get hellion to do her bt and sharpen, consistent 30-40 damage and 60 crits, AND the best destress in the game i mean come on
I love using the Plague Doctor and the Hellion together, have one of them stun the 2 back enemies and one stun the 2 front lol
I just realized that the stress that occultist deals to himself and others with his camping skills is heavily alleviated by his capability of dumping crits on the enemy. what a fantastic character, good lord.
When I played this game a lot 3 years ago, I always felt like Houndmaster was S tier, because of: having a stun that hits 3 + the only AoE stress heal (used to be the strongest stress heal in the game?) + self heal + being able to hit all positions from all positions + Guard for some bosses. Did something change? Did he get nerfed?
I think his group bleed got lowered by a point, I could be wrong. If so that still isn't a mega nerf. He's still a great character for sure.
Helion has fantastic synergy with Vestal. Helion takes a chunk out of rank 4. Somebody else may be needed to finish them off. Vestal stuns rank 3. Abom could do the same. And that is turn 1 being fairly uneventful. I auto-lock that +4 speed on turn on on Helion just for Iron Swan alone. I find myself building my parties around Helion and her not needing Barbaric Yawp. Bleed Out quite often replaces Wicked Hack. I love my Helions. Give them speed, accuracy and dodge and they will happily do whatever you ask them to do. Also, if you got two brain cells to rub together you know how to play plague doctor. If I have one in my Helion party, she may NOT open with Blinding Flash.
Hard disagree on musketeer. Between her and arbalest, I go musket every time. She's easily A tier for me.
Having played them for a bit it's shocking to me how he just disregarded all her benefits over the arbalest and put her straight in the C tier. For me its an easy A tier as it pairs well with an occultist and bounty hunter along with any choice of frontliner.
I almost haye thr occultist because he feels almost mandatory sometimes but i get an unreal amount of +0 bleeds
The 0 heal plus bleed actually killed one of my characters in my first play through. The graveyard says "died to a wound inflicted by another hero" or something lol.
If i don't have any better trinkets to use on him i like putting on the purifying crystal, it gives +40% resist and -15% chance to bleed, blight and i think debuff, he doesn't have blight skills and i don't use his debuffs often so the last two things are null, while the -bleed chance is actually perfect for the job since it turns a negative trait into a positive.
@@bonogiamboni4830 oh wow that is actually amazing lol. Gotta remember this
You use revel if you already cleared a dungeon. Prevent nighttime ambush>Revel> huge stress relief and you're leaving anyway. I use it all the time that way and it saves me a lot of gold.
19:44 I sometimes use revel, when I have the ability to remove debuffs
I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually remembered to use dog treats.
it's just that a plague doctor is so powerful and versatile that there must be more than one.
Im pretty new honestly, but ive beendpublestacking front hellian, with the spear and move attack. The whole fight one of them is either single targeting for kills, stunning the front two, or swapping with the other hellion. I know this was an independent list though.
Wait, plague doctor is female? I always looked at the character as male lol.
@Andrew Whiting Yeah, but in the comic we see aswell that she is kinda crazy, and you know what they say about crazy woman...
Didn't you notice the boobs?
And again, amazing video. Keep going, friend!
For hellion I do use revel a lot mostly at the end of a dungeon if I lasted without using my camps and I also like the idea of having like a party and going through a dungeon drunk but the negative stats are really bad
1:07:00 You give toxin trickery too much credit, blights and bleeds kill the most characters in my experience, first hit drops them to 0 and the bleed/blight kills, so you want them removed BEFORE your turn. If this move could be used once per battle to cancel one bleed/blight it'd actually be worth using.
Do you mean using it blocks the first bleed/blight? That would be a cool mechanic.
@@ShuffleFM Exactly! It would also fit, with what the grave robber is actually doing, drinking another toxin that reacts with the blight, rendering both harmless and giving her a little boost.
Plus this way you don't have to take that first tick of damage in the first place. You either use the ability proactively or don't use it. A grave robber isn't sturdy enough to take more than a hit or 2 without being on death's door and trying to cure damage over time while at 0 hp is too late anyway.
i think you're missing the use of solo as a distraction, since it marks you and gives you dodge, you can abuse the enemy ai in order to basically get a free turn
Very true!
Well, that was a bit of a revelation. For whatever reason, i've never really been a fan of he grave robber.
Love having jester and grave robber together
If we were talking about Pre-CoM I would agree with Grave Robbers placement but Post-CoM, I have to disagree. Needing both mark and blight setup to do her damage potential as well as actively disrupting party formation too heavily restricts her usage to being anything above C tier. But that's just like... my opinion... man.
I like the reference lol. I find it surprising you feel that way since I think her COM buffs were really good. Yeah her damage spreads out on thrown dagger but shadow fade became a really great skill at the same time.
I just noticed at 21 min, that all the characters that wound up in my fav team are yet to be mentioned, and I start wondering if my noob ass actually felt my way to an S tier team. Not that that is better than any team with good balance and synergy, but it's kinda cool nonetheless.