Most RUDE Controller?! Bad Weather Emergency
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Good lord…. “Advise when you have the ATIS… “ These controllers and their constant badgering about the ATIS, yet when we check in WITH the ATIS they don’t listen and ask if we have it! But I digress…. In this case, the pilot has declared a flippin emergency, read him the damn ATIS! Help the pilot out, give him what he needs, and it can be discussed once he’s safely on the ground. We’re always saying, oh if he’d only aborted, or, if only he’d gone around, or, if only he’d declared an emergency. Well, whatever got this pilot into the situation he was in, he did the right thing and declared. When that happens the most important issue at hand is, “how can I help?” Controllers like this one do not belong in ATC. 🤦♂️
Nope, pilot’s story sounded totally sketchy, and any “emergency” most likely was entirely of his own making. Sounds like he wants the controller to fly the airplane for him. Instrument rated?
@@RetreadPhoto Yes it did appear sketchy, but neither your or I were there, so our feelings regarding the pilot, or how he got into that predicament, are irrelevant. ATC’s job, when an emergency is declared, is to help a pilot get on the ground safely. They can sort out the whys, later. Maybe the pilot was having a mental breakdown, maybe it was a medical issue, maybe turbulence, mechanical failure, or instrument issues. We don’t know because he didn’t say. Maybe he was just in over his head. Doesn’t matter. What does matter is that he get on the ground safely, without losing his own life, or killing someone on the ground.
@@iadcrjca I don't understand alot of this lingo because i'm not a pilot. I have heard the term "navigate and communicate". When the pilot took a piss the last time isn't important. Getting him on the ground is. This controller should take the word of the pilot that there is some "bad" weather close by, i did and i'm just an interested viewer. your comment is spot on!
@@kechumgreen8893 I am a pilot. Bad weather is not an emergency. You’re either instrument rated, in which case you should be able to fly through it and use an instrument approach (which was offered) to get to the airport, or you’re not in which case the pilot shouldn’t have been in IMC and it’s his responsibility as pilot in command to avoid those situations. Either way, no cause for being shirty at the controller. Also it’s the job of ATC when an emergency is declared to identify the nature of the emergency so as to figure out how best to assist. It’s not solely about altitudes and vectors.
@@julianturecek2373 we pay taxes for services. ATC, just like 911 operators work for us. give me the help i ask for. the guy asked for help when he declared the emergency, whether he was right or wrong.
Wait, so the pilot flying IFR needs vectors for a visual approach due to cloud coverage? Wouldn't it make more sense to just use the ILS instead of a visual if you can't maintain visual contact? That spiral/ hard descent due to light turbulence and light rain also seems extremely fishy... then the pilot says he has the airport in sight for the VFR but then still needs to be told where to go... ATC should have gotten the guy on the ground and then questioned him, but that pilot caused a whole bunch of confusion.
Kelsey reviewed this a long time ago on his 74Gear TH-cam channel. He said the same things.
Getting him on the ground safely def comes first agreed. This controller wasnt making that his priority. If the pilot had spatial d or vertigo (and his is the only voice we hear from the plane), the controller should work with him to get him to the airfield. Not judge him for his inability to fly and tune radios after being in a spiral descent for whatever reason
It doesn't matter. Once he declared an emergency the controller should have provided vectors no questions asked. Also, if the guy is asking for vectors then the controller shouldn't have assumed an ILS approach. All the controller had to do was put his ego aside and give the vectors. Instead he introduced more confusion and anger. He should be removed from ATC.
Both were out of line. Pilot either flew into a massive microburst or was spatially disoriented.
It doesn't matter, he declared an emergency end of story. Deal with the rest on the ground
I have never been in that situation but if he was spiraling down how would vectors get him out of that situation? It seems to me that he knew he was spiraling down and shouldn't the pilot know how to counter it to bring the plane back under control? Or did he just poop his pants and want back on the ground to clean his shorts? It also sounded like the pilot had the controller confused.
What difference does it make. He declared an emergency. Get him down then get details. Don't burden him down with arguments and a lot of unnecessary chatter.
@@maurice7413exactly. Aviate, navigate, communicate.
Obviously, the pilot should not have been where he was, not prepared for the weather, presumably was overwhelmed, and his wires weren’t connecting up properly in his head, and maybe even in panic mode. The only thing he did right was to declare an emergency and ask for help. Unfortunately, the controller was ill trained for this type of event. Controllers work for us, the pilots, not the other way around.
Maybe they could have a Tête-à-tête and clear things up a bit.
When the pilot is an emergency ATC should give him all the information instead of having him get the information.
It is true that the airport can be clearly in sight one minute and completely obstructed by clouds the next. How is a person to answer the question? I'm guessing one should default to the most conservative and say no, the airport is not in sight.
As I understand it (I am NOT a pilot), it should be treated as negative contact unless you have a clear, unobstructed view of the field.
I'll take that Controller any day.
Pilot was a drama queen. Controller should have just let it go because of the emergency.
controller was an asshole, he didnt know what that pilot just went through and he decided he knew better. lucky the pilot didnt crash.
I don't know how many times i've let a controller off the hook. Every time they fuck up it is a dead person. Every time we fuck up it Is pilot deviation.
I was in the good old days.It's when we both looked out for each other.
The only thing I can say is that the only the pilot is in a possible life and death situation. Maybe he made bad choices to get himself there, maybe he didn't. The controller isn't though. He has no reason to lose his cool. Deal with it on the ground, when everyone is on the ground.
So that was a simple case of a bad pilot and bad controller, nothing more. Both need to find something else to do.
I just dont understand how people can defend the atc here..
The pilot doesn't sound like he knows much. The controller sounded fine to me. Maybe this should be called "Panicked Pilot Demands Things"?
I was expecting a rude controller but i was met with a bad pilot. I don't have to explain myself if you have any common sense, especially as a pilot.
Kicking over the table and declaring yourself the winner doesn't make you a winner.
Nope. I would not want this atc in an emergency situation. When I'm in an emergency I want the atc to give me the information I ask for asap and not any stupid questions.
The problem in this situation is the controller is dealing with a mind overloaded scared pilot in trouble and the controller is just not getting it. The pilot declared an emergency and asked for help how many times? This is not a good time to have a snarky controller attitude or asking a bunch of stupid questions. This is a time to loose the attitude and go into super simple instructions help the pilot in trouble mode. The last thing this pilot needed was to start changing radio frequency and calling the tower. This controller should understand that this pilot is in trouble. His focus should be on one thing and one thing only. Flying the airplane. Not dealing with an idiot on the radio.
The guy wanted an emergency clearance and got it. His problem is he's declared an emergency with mountain to the north so he better adhere to 4k and any vectors. Then he wants to land at an airport the approach path for to Honolulu runways use. Spooked by turbulence isn't an emergency.
@@nightwaves3203 no light turbulence is not a emergency…but a freaked out pilot is….. this controller has been written up and will be off the comms for some more training. Thank god these controllers work for the pilots not the other way around in an emergency
@@nightwaves3203 Unfortunately from time to time experienced or inexperienced pilots find themselves in over there head, and I believe that is the case in this situation. This pilot was spooked he was scared and asking for help. The pilot found himself over loaded, scared and felt himself to be in a life threatening situation.
That's the emergency. I had that figured out in the pilots first transmition about his rapid spiral decent. No matter how you slice it. It's this or any other controllers job to stay cool and help the pilot in trouble all the way to landing and then some. No matter what period end of story. GA pilots get themselves killed in super simple situations just like this every day and I believe 100% that this controller dropped the ball and let this pilot down in the worst possible way. Not excusable under any conditions.
@@bubbaman12289 Figures the controller faced with explaining why he might need to divert heavy aircraft the guy had good reason to fill in all the required blocks of an emergency declaration. The pilots aircraft wasn't out of control and the aircraft wasn't inoperable. On the other hand the pilot seems to of been inoperable. Not a good thing seeing that aircraft comes up as a tour companies' aircraft. The mountains in Hawaii will have your wings flapping like a bird so it figures he better get used to it and stay away from downwind of the big mountains that really knock a plane around. Going by the recording portrayed the controller not asking how many onboard and fuel would be what's written up.
@@nightwaves3203the fact that he reported he was in a spiral decent when he declared the emergency should have been enough for the controller to drop the bullshit, attitude, snark, etc., and just help the guy giving him what he asked for. AITS be damned, even if the pilot had ILS capabilities, he clearly had more issues than just the storm. He reported one altitude and ATC was showing him a couple of hundred feet below his planned flight level.
The pilot was the problem, not the controller! I wonder how some people ever got their pilot certificate. What the controller did not understand was the pilot wanted someone to fly the airplane for him.
U think so?
I think so.
@@Flight_Follower yes! With all the automation we have available these days, he lost situational awareness. Where am I in this 3D world? On almost any gps you have a nearest function. Even without the nearest function what was my heading before I started the spiraling turns. An opposite heading to the heading you were flying is going to take you close to the direction you were coming from. If he was on an instrument flight plan when he entered the weather, and got spooked by the turbulence and rain, he has no business in an airplane, period. Planes are not for the meek, but may not be for the bold either. Something about there being no, “old bold pilots “ as well.
The only thing I would fault the controller with would be his possible belief he was communicating with a pilot. I hope the guy flying the plane stays on the ground where he is safe. There is no excuse for losing your mind in light turbulence and rain. One thought that crossed my mind was what would make you think spiraling down in those conditions is smart. For weather penetration you must slow to maneuvering speed, you should maintain wings as level as possible except to execute a 180. Maintain maneuvering speed in the descent. I understand the controllers confusion. You declared an emergency, what is the emergency! I didn’t like where I was, so I’m spiraling down. Ok, that doesn’t mean you have lost the ability to aviate, navigate, and communicate, unless you have lost all electronics, and your alternator and battery are dead.
The pilot is a DANGER who freaked in IMC conditions while on an IMC flight plan (he was vectored to join an airway). He REFUSED the ILS, and decalred an emergency due to light turb, rain and IMC. Kudos to ATC who must deal with irresponsible pilots like this. He probably flies by his Ipad.
Does he think ATC can vector him around clouds? Just give me a vector, he says. SHAME on that pilot.
oh you been there to witness it mate?
Neither one was up for the task at hand. They confused each other and compounded the problem. I’d be confused as well if the pilot told me he was in a hard spiral decent but give me a vector.
This was a rude arrogant entitled pilot, suspect it wasn’t a real emergency, got himself in to a situation and then got shirty at controller for not bailing him out of it. Offered an instrument approach, rejected, and then shirty at controller for the fact that there were clouds (obviously) making a visual approach difficult. Unbelievable.
Sounds like they both were in pissy moods...
I’d say it was about 50/50 screw up; except that the pilot did declare an emergency, but he was not that professional or competent in IFR flight
No rude controller, 🤔
The pilot should have given that controller a number to call.
Very, very far from the rudest controller I've heard. Perhaps not as focused on the right things as he should have been, but I completely understand his (mutedly expressed) frustration as he tried to clarify the pilot's situation, the nature of his emergency, and what he wanted. From the controller's perspective, he's trying to work out if he needs to clear the pattern, hold ground movements and scramble emergency services, and whether he needs to hand off his other traffic to another controller to manage the emergency. I'm a bit surprised not to hear, "When able, please give souls on board and fuel remaining."
This controller should quickly find another job. ATC is not for him. Unbelievable!
You mean the pilot, right?
@@RetreadPhotowith an attitude like this he would get sacked from mcdonalds. not the pilot
the "controller"
😂
cant control own emotions with an emergency aircraft...
Chill
Sounds like the pilot was as bad or worse than the controller. The controller should not have badgered about ATIS, but the pilot seemed disoriented from the beginning. "Hard spiraling descent?? For what he later referred to as "light turbulence?" Then he had the airport in sight, then he didn't. But still had the beacon in sight? I wonder more about the pilot than this controller. Although the controller should have simply complied with vectors at each request...still, that pilot seems suspect.
First controller was obviously a trainee… acting like a robot and no help whatsoever. Second controller was obviously his overly aggressive instructor was of absolutely of no help whatsoever. Embarrassing performance by both the controllers and the pilot. A career change for all is strongly recommended. (sgd 30 year experience Canadian Approach and Airport Controller)
That controller has an anger problem. Find a new career. This is an aircraft in a life and death situation.