The INSANE Story of Aeroflot Nord flight 821!
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What are the most outrageous things you could accuse a pilot or even an airline of doing? Whatever you choose, I can almost guarantee that it will appear in this story at some point. It is a horrifying account of how every possible safety barrier can be breached if training, CRM, maintenance and general common sense are not used. Stay tuned.
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Below you will find the links to videos and sources used in this episode.
Sources
Final Report: reports.aviation-safety.net/2...
Aircraft Used:
Boeing 737: Take Command!: IXEG 737 Classic
www.x-aviation.com/catalog/pr...
Airbus A319 by Toliss:
store.x-plane.org/Airbus-A319...
Thanks to GreatFlyer Aviation on TH-cam for use of footage:
/ @greatflyer_aviation
EU Airlines Blacklist
transport.ec.europa.eu/transp...
AVL - Arkhangelsk Airlines: Perry Hoppe
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
Antonov-24 (RA-46667): Unknown
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
Aeroflot Logo:
1000logos.net/aeroflot-logo/
Antonov An-26: Unknown
www.airlines-inform.com/comme...
Antonov An-24: Dmitriy Pichugin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov...
Tupolev TU-134: Piergiuliano Chesi
airwaysmag.com/maiden-flight-...
Tupolev Tu-154: Aktug Ates
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev...
Arkhangelsk Airlines: Arkhangelsk Airlines
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
Antonov 2: ANTONOV COMPANY
antonov.com/en/history/an-2
CHAPTERS
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00:00 - Intro
00:29 - Aeroflot NORD
03:02 - The crew
06:58 - The aircraft
12:33 - Arriving to work
15:36 - Flight gets underway
18:37 - Cruise
21:11 - Descent
23:26 - Approaching Perm
26:14 - Confusion
28:35 - Left or right?
32:11 - Thrust issues
34:02 - Pressure
37:19 - Do everything yourself!
39:55 - Doomed
47:34 - Under the influence?
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Hello...Great job with your channel and content. Do you have an email I may send you a quick note?
Did you see the segment on Jake Broe's channel? It was about Russian ground crews asked to NOT report so many repair/maintenance issues on civilian airliners still sort of operating. Just a bit insane.
Have a great weekend!
can you do a quick thing on how hours translate to years experience?
Heja MoDo 😊
Is Nord vpn connected to Aeroflop NORD? 👨🌾
Whenever I fly as a passenger, I hope the flight doesn't become a future Mentour Pilot episode.
Me to..
I had a flight into an airport that was closed ( i didnt know until after ), before the flight a young pilot got on the plane before boarding and then left with another older pilot to show up, when we landed an offduty stewardess was freaking out that we just landed in a foot of snow, the drive home that night was less than 10 mph and waht normally took an hour took 4-5 hours.
lol
Then steer clear of Russian and Indonesian airlines.
@@MentourPilot 😂
I would love to see a Mentour episode on April fools where he dramatically reads the story of a flight where everything went exactly as it should have.
You’re a genius. He could describe a flight where he was the captain, that would be even more hilarious. …the captain was very experienced and was in fact a line training captain for his airline, he was also an aviation TH-camr.
A 20min flight over car traffic from Calabassas to LA as a Kardashian-hired pilot. Perfect
Why do you keep repeating this April fools idea on every video? Why should he trivialize the subject?
@@XerxesGammon200bc in case mentour does it, this guy can claim credit (not saying the aprils fools episode isn’t a funny/good idea)
SMH
Hejsan. As a native speaker of Russian, I have just listened to the conversation between the ATC and Flight 821. Oh, man, you can distinctly hear, when the first officer is talking, and when the captain pitches in. Because he just can’t piece the two words together. And moreover, up until the very end the ceptain seems to be totally oblivious to what’s going on. He just mutters the same old “Going down to 600. Flight 821” without any sign of worry. Only 10 seconds after the last such “confirmation” you can hear someone cursing and screaming - and then Flight 821 became silent (on the ATC frequency). It’s so-so sad :(
TBH I would kill myself trying to land an airbus at night in the fog where everything would be in English, but if you start making it Russian, I give up without even trying... you would hear swearing... then me grabbing a chute, and see you laters....
ваш коментар дає більше контексту, ніж годинне відео
@@theonetheonly9730 uhm actually its 50 minutes long, not an hour (joking)
@@truehighs7845and that’s why you are not a pilot nothing justifies this behavior, no cultural stereotypes, nothing
@truehighs7845
"Hey guys, don't worry I have a plan"
-JB has left the game-
I grew up in Arkhangelsk (which is the town where the Aeroflot-Nord headquarters were) in the airport area, and had friends and even relatives working at Aeroflot-Nord. When I heard of the accident, I immediately went to check if there was anyone I knew on the plane. And yes, one of the crew was a childhood friend of mine. That was such a shock to me, she was so young!
Thats Russia/Soviet Union for you.
dang
thats harsh@@BlackKiryuu
@@eretyswett4482 Unfortunately, this kind of erratic irresponsible and authoritarian behavior is common in Russia/USSR. Obey and never question. And when something goes wrong, cover it up (e.g. Tschernobyl).
So sad for all the people who died.
@@eretyswett4482You don't know that Russians specialize in failure?
@@eretyswett4482harsh but true
Aeroflot: 100 years, 11,653 fatalities (Bureau of Aircraft Accident Archives, May 2023). The only organisation with more aircraft fatalities is the Royal Air Force; their pilots have the excuse of occasionally being under fire.
Lol, the only small difference was one was being shoot at.
Also, Aeroflot has loads of crashes caused by pilot stupidity, like this one or the one where the pilots had a bet that they could land the plane blind.
You've missed some math classes I guess...
@@artembakaev1678 Source quoted. You say "math" so let me say I did think about adding the USAF and USAAF numbers together, but they're separate organizations
To be fair, commercial Russian planes still get shot at sometimes.
The pilot asked for a tea from the cabin crew member just so he could try to show them "he's the boss" and they're below him. He was probably thinking "how dare they tell me how to fly this plane" when they reminded the pilot to turn the seatbelt light on so he had to show he's the big boss by requesting they serve him some tea. Clearly a superiority complex thing going on. I doubt he actually fancied a cuppa at that time.
Alcohol will often do this to certain people. They simply turn into an abusive jerk.
I thoought the exactly same thing.
He "showed who's boss".
What a complete imb**ile, not one bit of professionalism in him.
Exactly
Yes 100%.
One of the staff should have handed him a mug which would be more fitting!
This was one of the most painful reviews I've listened to! From the beginning the failure of the crew to follow any basic standard procedures felt like I was sitting in a classroom with the teacher scratching their nails on a chalkboard! Just so unbelievable how this crew performed.
I learned how to fly when I was just a teenager, and I am 70 now but still remember how I had to drill myself over and over again about the Attitude Indicator, realizing at the time that the BIG MISTAKE that could be made would be in trying to Control to Correct the HORIZON instead of controlling to MATCH the Plane to the Horizon indication... the difference between Life and Death. My Instructor did put me through some HOOD Time for Instrument Flight, and, yeah, all my homework paid off and my Instructor was pleased. But, yes, that is one Instrument where Intuition can be exactly Wrong, that is, the very opposite of CORRECT.
Why are you typing in all caps randomly...? It makes you sound like you're having trouble controlling THE VOLUME OF YOUR VOICE
@@WobblesandBean It’s for emphasis. He’s typing just fine.
I often wonder if I'd have been happier or better/worse off being born in an earlier century and/or decade than the 1980's and 99% of the time I'm glad to be where/when I am but when I think about my dream of being a pilot I'm flat _devastated_ to have missed out on the plethora of cheap aircraft available after the war and the substantially less restrictive licensing requirements...
Lol you didn't fly any planes old man, you're just fishing for likes on youtube
@@DragonZombie2000 Are you saying that there were no American Males in 1969 who soloed when they were 16, and none in 1971 who got their Private License Tickets when then were 18? Well, I did. All my time Pilot Log Hours times were on Piper Cherokees. I think I did it with 40 Instruction Hours and 40 solo hours. I still have my Log Book some where... in case I ever wish to take a flight physical and recertify for Type and fly again, you know, rent a plane style. Whom but a pilot would even be able to speak in these terms? Besides, what's got you so viscerally disturbed. Are you a wannabee pilot who never got off his ass and did it, or are you a pilot who thinks you must be something special, and wishes the club were more exclusive? Why on earth you have such a hard on over it?
_"Fly Aeroflot! We have drunk, incompetent and angry pilots, children at the controls, and stolen aircraft we can't get spare parts for!"_
They need breathalyzer locks on all aircraft.
Oh FFS even the childern one was Aeroflot... I guess I know which airline to avoid.
"for which we can't get spare parts."
@@randallsmerna384 right, edited
Well at one point in time it was the largest carrier in the world
26:12 The Captain didn't prioritize tea in that moment; he prioritized exerting power over "his crew person" in that moment. Which I think makes it worse.
Soviet ex-military pilot, of course he had to do that
@@Groveish, captain never was a military pilot.
A very astute observation
The ONLY power a captain should exert over his crew (beside directing them to to do their actual jobs as needed) is power to protect and empower.
Our host wouldn't know that, he's not a jerk.
I live in the Perm region and I remember the night of the accident. The flight crash put railway communication to a hold. My family at the time lived in a house nearby railroad from Perm to Yekaterinburg. Only the river divided our house from railroad. And we became accustomed to the noises of railroad, even during the night. And that night we could'nt sleep at all. The silence was very unnerving as the sign, that something terrible has happened. At the morning we learned of the accident
This series is truly a gem on TH-cam. So well executed, narrated and so informative.
Glad you enjoy it! 💕💕
Beautifully done and narrated! You are a pro!
I agree, but it also doesn't sound like they even had the basic flying skills to make the CRM effective. Pilot was drunk, but what about the First Officer? It's astonishing.
I listened to CVR once again after watching this report. And I can assure you that you would have been 1000x times more horrified if you understood Russian. You mentioned about captain being intoxicated only at the end of the video, but from the voice tone of captain and consecutive actions and communication it sounded that all this situation happened exactly because of the attitude the pilot had due to being drunk. It can clearly heard from the expression of captain that he was annoyed not only by some unexpected flight plan or aircraft behavior but he was not very happy about just doing regular tasks. This sentence was his final approach briefing. "When we will be on that f **king marker...we will need to do that f**king gear down and other sh*t"..And when it all started he just felt he is not in condition and mood to do anything so he told FO to handle literally everything.
Could you drop a link to CVR, please?
@@mikeromadin8744 I hope you understand Russian.
У меня волосы дыбом встают от этих последних минут разговора. Это не летчики, это пьяные бомжи за штурвалом. И никакие "фак" и щит" не передадут истиного тона, грязи вульгарности и морального разложения .Англо американские ругательства- это детский лепет по сравнению с матерной русской бранью. Этот случай и тот где квс дал сыночку штурвал подержать, одни из самых нелепых и ужасных из авиационных катастроф. Ну, конечно, есть еще всякие африканские и ближневосточные, но это уже вообще обезьяны и никто от них в принципе не ожидает ничего путного.
Короче, Оскар получает раша параша
@@MarinCipollina that's my native language! LOL
@@mikeromadin8744 I saw another comment saying the CVR is on TH-cam.
The real horror is how many flights have been very similar to this one but just barely managed to avoid disaster.
I thought the same thing.
Nah, worst part is those never reported/those his from public.
It was pure luck that this one had a report to begin with.
It's Russia, their safety standards were never high. It's a risky to fly in any case, but it's especially dangerous in third world countries.
As I said when I went through my EMT course “a D is still passing”. Precisely why I am not currently an EMT.
@@jaysmith1408 There's this joke, that a newly graduated engineer says "When I see what kind of an engineer I am, I am scared of going to the doctor."
As a beginner pilot (~100 hr) I have consumed maybe a dozen of your videos on your various channels now, and while all I am flying presently are largely “low performance” general aviation airplanes (single-engine, 200hp or less, service ceilings no higher than ~14000ft, etc) learning from the mistakes of other pilots helps to make me a safer pilot. Of course there are moments where I feel competent enough to “push” the aircraft, especially with my instructor friend next to me, but knowing how quickly the situation can unravel serves to keep me a humble and obedient-and SAFE- pilot as i continue learning on my journey. Thank you again for your detailed, patient, informative videos.
Well, you think you're safe anyway. And that's important. We guess.
I once played flight simulator for a few hours. Everything was overwealming and I could only crash. The FO manouvers reminded my experience with the game (of course he had a more challenging situation). This makes me wonder how they managed to fly previously
speaking of flight sims, if you learn how to fly in them its actually very fun. At least for me
It is a case of complete unfamiliarity, not complete lack of skill. They were used to an aircraft that was almost all manual, switching to aircraft with a very smart and complicated automated systems. So they had no idea of layers and layers of automatic controls, how they engage and what they do, making them baffled for what the aircraft is doing. And everything is just written in gibberish. Try imagine getting into a car with automatic transmission for a first time after a lifetime of driving manual, but much, much worse and on a morning after a party.
@peronohaynada, I once played a real flight simulator at an Aeronautical, or science museum in Virginia. Like you, I had a 100% success rate -- ar crashing the planes!
Yeah, as a teenager, Microsoft sent a copy of Flight Simulator to our computer lab, likely in an attempt to get them to buy some educational course to go with it. (This was back in the days of Windows 95.) We students, of course, were happy to play with it, but we quickly discovered that, with no instruction about how fly a commercial jet (or what "flaps" were), landing one was virtually impossible. It took a great many tries before the most patient of us managed to even come close to a safe landing, but then we ran into what seemed like an impossible brick wall. If we landed at flying speed, we'd overshoot the runway and end up in the wheat fields. If we lowered speed, we'd stall and crash. I managed one of the best landings of anyone, but I kinda cheated by touching down WAY before the airport and rolling over the runway... and then into the ditch beside the runway, but who's counting? XD
"It doesn't matter who is right, it's what is right that is important." - Mentour Pilot
True aviator
Or as Mike Mentzer said, the question isn't 'who's right?' but 'what's truth?'
if only political activists would also see it like that..
"See girl, only thing I'm trying to establish with you is not who's right or who's wrong, but what's right and what's wrong" - R. Kelly, "Real Talk"
I need a plaque with this
I felt sorry for that FO at the end, with all his weaknesses and lack of proper training, he REALLY did his best to try and put things in order. He was quick to notice and correct his mistakes, but he was being tested to his limits . He KNEW that the Captain was drunk and useless. You ever seen that point drunk people get where all they just want to do is argue with everyone at the bar? I think that's the point the captain was at, he didn't care at all about flying the plane, No, all he wanted was to argue with the ground controller, who in his drunken state, he felt was denying them landing clearance. That point where the FO told him to "just take it!", this Captain sounds like he was already dozing off or asleep at that point and hence his surprised " I can't do it either" response.
This was a very unfortunate and sad event.
based on this video and the CVR recording, i suspect the FO was another victim of the politburo apparatus shuffling people that are seen as competent in one area into adjacent areas that a given soviet just felt was similar enough
guy was good at operating the old aircraft, so the soviet told him he would now operate the new aircraft even though he had insufficient training / expertise to do it
and they tossed him into a cockpit with a drunk, arrogant and useless pilot because everyone with any position of authority was always drunk, arrogant and useless
Yep, I feel sorry for the FO and for all the passengers on the plane.
But not the captain, who sounded like a jerk
Stewardess: 'You guys haven't put on the fasten seatbelt light yet.'
Captain: "STFU & BRING ME A CUPPA TEA!!"
FO/Pilot Flying: wtf is going on here?
Stewardess: wtf is going on here?
Both: "I guess the captain knows all and knows best, and doesn't want to share information with me.. so I'd better just be quiet."
-Crew Resource Management MasterClass, Chapter 4: "How not to behave."
@@ItWasSaucerShaped The Politburo always knows best in Russia.
The PoliticalBureau always knows best in Europe/USA/Canada/Britain
The PoliCrats "always know what's best got everybody" and anyone who argues different is an enemy of the state.
Or an enema of the state. 😂
@@giftofthewild6665Noone deserves to die, but I do agree that it's kinda hard to feel much sympathy for him.
Oh my god, what incompetence. That poor first officer. It always baffles me when we see pilots with such a massive ego, when the industry tends to encourage the opposite. RIP, and thank you for a lovely coverage of a horrific accident as per usual.
I always knew being a pilot was an insanely difficult job, but watching mentour and green dot, i have a much better picture of how stressful it is, and have so much respect for them. ATC's included in that as well.
If God wanted us to fly, he would have given us wings.
stressful, sure. but to fly your own plane into the ground because you "used to fly a plane whose ADI looked a little bit different" is complete and utter incompetence and that man should never have been allowed on an airplane let alone pilot one
@@tarwingrill4531 If God wanted us not to fly, he wouldn't have given us the intelligence we have.
@@tarwingrill4531Does god want you to use TH-cam and type comments?
There wasn't even a Swiss cheese model here it was just a big hole in the ground, and the entire system fell into it. Great video, as always, Petter and team! Happy your hockey team won!
The Swiss cheese had been forgotten in the fridge!
I was actually thinking the same thing. I was thinking the whole time how did this get as far as it did? The only reason they got to Perm is because the computer did that part.
It was the Russian donut model
In mother Russia, hole is so big entire cheese is hole, no cheese, just hole
What can you expect from a culture that teaches corruption and stupidity are qualities? They have no concept of responsibility, no idea what education is... they exist solely to be commanded by some lunatic midget and they know only brutality. Having seen years of similar crap before from them, this video is not even registering on my "surprised-o-meter".
Theirs isn't a society, it's a post society, a weird experiment on what happens when low intelligence creatures that aren't exactly homo-sapiens-sapiens inherit technology.
After it's all said and done, there's going to be books written on this.
It's amazing to me how well this airplane managed to basically fly itself (until it couldn't anymore) in spite of how the pilots tried to screw things up
Ur 100th like
Welcome to Mother Rooshia!
Not quite - if the aircraft wasn't malfunctioning in the first place, they wouldn't get so confused, and would probably crashed on some other occasion.
I have just discovered your videos! I went on my first Orion flight age 5 in 1979. From that moment I wanted to be an Air Hostess. I was sat with my dad. I learned years later my mum sat rows and rows away because she had a fear of flying. (Her first flight was in the 1960s to Spain. I’ve only learned recently how lucky my family were going abroad back then)
I applied to fly for Britannia in the 1994 when I was 20…then found out I was pregnant.
For years I’ve dreamed of plane crashes where I live (I also live a few streets away from Blackpool airport Uk) I think this was my dream of being a flight attendant being dashed.
Your mini documentaries are awesome! They don’t put me off flying. No pilot (unless very unstable) wants to have an accident. I appreciate your videos and find them super interesting. Thank you 🙏
I aboslutely love these videos. My father was a US Navy pilot and has continued flying small airplanes for 40 years now and has long encouraged me to get my pilot's license but watching these are really reigniting that fire! Thank you!!!
I felt bad for the first officer, he sounded in way over his head and was failed by the systems supposed to give him the competence he needed.
The captain however was just unbelievable. Flying drunk, belligerently snapping at everyone from his copilot to the approach controller to cabin crew, and erratic handling and lack of lucidity leading to the doom of everyone on board...
He was over his head because the captain was actively sabotaging him by the looks of it...
I wonder how much he made in this subsidiary with little rest and training. Several years ago a captain earned around $5000-8000 per month.
I have been watching these videos for a few weeks now and I have to say as a former army pilot and safety officer, these are some of the best safety training vids you can watch. Great explanations and detail regarding what occurred and what was recommended to fix it. As a former accident investigator, these videos are priceless in their content and conclusion emphasis. Great job, thank you for what you are doing for aviation.
Lots of golden karma coins for Mentor Pilot.
I was wondering if people watch these for training videos. Seems like there is definitely a ton to be learned in all these situations!
It also crossed my mind that Mentour Pilot may also learn a lot from making these videos and I bet his flying ability has improved!
I happen to be in the aviation industry. However, any organization could benefit from these videos.
Well said my friend.
@@feliciagaffney1998 I hear what you're saying but I don't think there's much room for improvement.
In Russia, no swiss cheese, just hole.
Cheese dissolved by vodka
Thanks for the extensive video, well done. In the early 90‘s I was a training pilot on the 737-300 training crew members from the now defunct East German airline Interflug. While all very good aviators, it was sometimes very frustrating trying to get a 50 year old Cpt that was used to flying all steam gauges on an Antonov to convert over to digital, working with an FMC, conversing in english with ATC as well as navigation. Most worked extremely hard in order to convert but some just couldn’t manage the overload.
In 1997 I flew on an Aeroflot plane in Kazakhstan; my seat belt had two female ends and was thus non-functional. We took the train back to Almaty. Beautiful country!!!
So that scene in Jurassic Park actually has precedence!?
I'd not expect the trains to really be any safer. Or the roads, for that matter.
Life uhhhhhh finds a way
Drivers today have to watch out for other cars AND airplanes from above. A few days ago our community had an airplane crash land into a utility truck on the road.
Flew Aeroflots 777 last week, had the same problem. Then i looked closer at the seat split and took the belt that was actually mine.
During my instrument training and on a circling approach at 600 feet in imc I yell at my instructor, "I am losing it!" "I am losing it!". My instructor a 70 year old crop duster take the controls and levels the aircraft then says to me . Dont yell into the intercom "Im losing it" it makes the passengers nervous :)
This must have been so stressful, but I just laughed out loud on the subway :D
@@lisaw150 Passengers on when instrument training? Should be completed long before taking passengers😂
@@camillabrifjord727 was probably joking - "if ever you feel out of control and want to say it, make sure it's not on the intercom" :D
@@camillabrifjord727 terrifying to the pilot I meant :) I imagine if he was screaming "I'm losing it" he must have been really scared himself. And then the instructor come up with that joke... savage! :D
Not related to this video, but I used to regularly fly with Aeroflot from Moscow to Tokyo. On one occasion, we boarded at Moscow, and sat there for probably half an hour, then to door opened and on walked a 'maintenance engineer'. The guy was in filthy overalls, with a cigarette in his mouth and a hand carried tool bag. I swear, he looked like a pound shop Super Mario character.
Anyway, he casually walked down the centre aisle, kicked the worn out carpet out of the way, opened a flap in the floor, got a hammer out of his bag and started hitting something through the hole in the floor.
He obviously decided that he'd hit it enough, so got up, closed the flap, kicked the carpet back and shuffled off of the plane.
Then we took off.
To this day, I've no idea why I just sat there rather than getting off of the plane.
Good lord...an absolute cacophony of insanity in the cockpit. I can't imagine how terrifying this was for the passengers.
IMO there is no greater red flag of incompetence than trash talking other people, and becoming easily angry when something goes slightly wrong.
I was on a Westjet flight out of Edmonton about 2004. We took off in the evening and must have sucked a goose down the starboard engine because it began to lose bits of itself and the whole fuselage shook. The cabin crew looked out the window to confirm that the motor was a) on fire and b) losing bits. So they shut it down. That pilot when he came on the PA? Well, first, he yawned. Then he said, with a small chuckle as he started, "Folks, we're going to head back. Yes, we've lost an engine. Now I could fly this Boing all the way to Vancouver International on one engine, but they tell me I shouldn't. So, we're going to go back. We train a lot for these things and I can land this plane easily with one motor. So, keep your seatbelts buckled and we'll be on the ground in a minute."
Well, he brought us in easy as you please. Not even a bump on the landing. Just set it down with firetrucks racing along beside us and pulled up someplace mid tarmac at Edmonton International. An hour later we commandeered a different Westjet flight (likely stranding a hundred people who would have gone to Moose Jaw or someplace like that) and took their plane to Vancouver. Westjet wanted us on our way ASAP, before we could talk to the press or anyone else, so we made it in almost on time.
That pilot knew how to handle asymmetric thrust.
I call BS! At no time, ever, have 100 people gone to Moose Jaw at the same time. 😁
"That pilot knew how to handle asymmetric thrust." true, in a murican jet. Put the same pilot in a TU and you could end-up in a disaster...
@@mirandela777 Too bad that will never happen because we dont need to use inferior russian jets, we have european and american planes for flying safely. and wouldnt hire someone as captain with 700 hours on type aswell as them being a new captain especially.
@@evanward9739 and who is "we" - you and your mum army ??
"inferior russian jets," 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@evanward9739 That's kinda mean-spirited. The 90s was a complicated time for the former Soviet Union which had only just broken apart a few years prior. It's not that their planes were inferior, they just needed more of them faster than they could be produced internally.
Plus, a big issue on this particular flight was ultimately a malfunction of the Western airplane in question (the thrust discrepancy) that, yes, should have been fixed, but still, what is this talk about superior/inferior Eastern/Western airplanes? Anyone would struggle in an unfamiliar plane with a lack of proper training.
I wondered why you had a signpost for Ornskoldvik… I am a Marine Engineer (and a long time lapsed PPL) and spent a week in the Hagluund’s factory learning how to repair ship’s cargo cranes. Love your channel.
Goodness. This is such an incredibly detailed telling of what happened when and why and who did what, why, when and in which state of mind. I'm still reeling from the experience. Your animations make your stories and explanations SO much easier to understand and so much more entertaining, even if the viewer only knows the economy class POV. Thanks so much!
For me the 50min went quite fast😊 Thanks Petter and team for all your hard work!
That’s nice to hear.
Yeah, wow I lost 33 minutes in what feels like barely 5 minutes.
same here
Yeah I felt like it was about half an hour in when suddenly it was over already. Time flies when you're having a good time!
@@MentourPilot When there are just TOO MANY screw-ups to cover in 30 minutes. lol What a fuster-cluck.
"Do everything yourself" is just insane. What a crazy story this is
He was also drunk.
That was the captain's way to inform the FO that he's too drunk to fly.
At that point, the FO should have abandoned that approach and gotten some safe air before attempting a less busy approach with a better understanding of the situation.
That should be type-independent. Never "push through" when you lack an appreciation.
The irony is that the FO might have been able to keep the aircraft upright if the captain had stayed out of it. It seems like he was not up to snuff, but he couldn't have done much worse than the captain.
@@BerndFelsche If he was able to control the plane at all... In russia flying a plane is auto pilots duty and drinking is the duty of pilots.
Been a fan of you for a long time now, your video quality and the graphics are getting better and better. Great work! Love your show from Canada! 😊 🇨🇦
You made me curious about aviation again😃 Your videos are really exciting! Thanks for taking the time to produce them🙏🏼
This is the worst case of CRM i have ever heard of. Those poor souls on board totally did not deserve to die on the hands of a deranged and possibly intoxicated pilot. May they RIP. Thank you mentor pilot for another well researched and absolutely quality video. Your work is amazing!
definitely intoxicated. so sad
It's Russia, they are bottle fed vodka.
I know it may sound weird but I actually find it more scary when a sober pilot/co-pilot does everything wrong like the case of Air France 447, pulling the airplane up to prevent a stall. How many drunk pilots do we get? Very few, hopefully none in the future but sober pilots ... we get those all the time.
Crew Resource Management (CRM), a program developed by airlines in response to a series of plane crashes, can effectively be applied to the research setting: encourage all members of the research staff to ask questions.
@@AurioDK They were fooled by the joystick of the airbus which cancelled each other maneuver, they should have been aware of that fact and it was indeed a scam one too, and this is coming from someone who lives in France and loved the french people.
Most of these reports don't make me afraid to fly, because things have improved so much, and because I know how rare they are relatively speaking. This one, however... this one was terrifying.
Just don’t fly on a Russian airline. They’re probably much worse nowadays due to the lack of the western aircraft parts for their stolen planes.
@@CheatOnlyDeath Selection and training of those has has improved though. The amount of accidents averted by good CRM is immense. This sort of accident with a stubborn idiotic captain and a shy unexperienced FO used to happen all the time. I don't want to point any finger but.... Korean Airlines, you know who you are.
@@CheatOnlyDeath Um. I thought it would be blatantly obvious that I was talking about other air incidents/accidents, after which both technical and personnel factors had been improved, making flying considerably safer and incidents far less likely. Apparently not, though. 🙄
And good grief, take your backward attitude towards civil and human rights back into the last millennium, instead of spouting your nonsense about how much better things were back in the good ol' days. They weren't. My god. 🤦
@@CheatOnlyDeath Thats some quality rose coloured glasses you have
@@user-lv7ph7hs7lI think Mentour also covered a Pakistani airline with the same dynamic that caused a crash. An Asiana airline crash in 2013 (also Korean owned) had the same captain and FO problem too. I really do hope these incidents pushes the airlines to allow their FOs to communicate more without being called "rude" because pride over lives is BS.
I used the word binge together with Netflix but now here I am, your approach to the accidents and mishaps is flawless, easy to follow and understand, in my training for flight dispatcher on the subject of flight safety I wish it was you giving that class, when the topic was aircrafts accidents, they wanted us to analyze past accidents and have a round table to discuss how to prevent whatever accident we were discussing and also differentiate catastrophic equipment failure and plain old series of mistakes and human error, they presented us a very forensic analysis (still have nightmares) of each accident, the first one we analyzed was Spantax 995 13SEP82 and of course the KLM and PAA in Tenerife 27MAR77, just a chain of mistakes not events, RIP to all victims
Your thorough analysis are _exceptionally_ well done Peter! 👍
The level of technical detail and logical narrative of what takes place (based on whatever info you get your hands on), coupled with the absolutely _superb_ graphics accompanying each of these flights - are quite simply *_second to none! . . ._* ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Many thanks! Glad you found it interesting
It’s multiple factors added together that led to the disaster… The captain celebrated his child’s birth by drinking alcohol before his flight. His irresponsible behaviour sealed the fate of 80+ plus people onboard..
Seems like there was one cause to me - complete disregard for process engineering, utter disdain for safety systems and procedures.
The kind of people that think safety ruins things
@@mycosyswasn’t that the cause of Chernobyl as well?
russian pilots doesn't comprehend responsibility well. Most their disasters caused by lack of intelligence
@@agnesmeszaros-matwiejuk8783 I might have said that in Chernobyl they prioritised social engineering over process engineering - these guys just had no fox to give for systems
Damn, you're right... the linked report mentions it on page 67 😭 "The average level of ethanol in isolated fragments (1.08 ‰) and fragment parts (1.19 ‰) of the PIC’s body are significantly higher (by 0.46 ‰ and 0.96 ‰ respectively) than the abovementioned average values, which confirms the presence of ethyl alcohol in his body before death" and on page 101 via a passenger aswell, shockingly!!! "The investigation team was reported about an SMS sent from the aircraft at approximately 2059, in which the sender expressed his fear of the flight, as the PIC sounded as if he was drunk." OH MY GOD what an irresponsible pilot (and the copilot SHOULD have refused flying with the drunk pilot!)!!! 😭
From time to time I flew with a regional airline in the Pacific Northwest of the U.S. (now defunct) called Cascade, though it was better known locally as Crashcade. On one trip from Seattle to Spokane I was seated directly behind the pilot (It was a 14-seat plane.) Across the aisle was another pilot deadheading to Spokane. He leaned over, looked at the altimeter, and asked the pilot if we were lower than the altimeter read. The pilot banged on the altimeter and the indicator needle flipped down. The deadheading pilot said, "That looks better."
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😱
Oh my god... I think I'd have freaked out 😅
@@giftofthewild6665could you please pull over. I would like to get out.
You brought an old memory back to me. I was flying in a regional aircraft over Illinois during bad weather that had an open cockpit with the pilots in front of me. They were trying to get their weather radar screen to work and having little luck. After hitting it a few times, they just looked at each other, shrugged, and flew on.
Jeeezzz 💀💀💀💀 Crashcade 💀💀💀💀💀💀
That sponsor plug insert is one of the best and / or most authentic I’ve seen in a while 😂😅
I love that you highlight the human side, the science, and the mechanical side. RIP to all lost souls.
Russians don't have souls.
I think Citilink had the similar drunk pilot incident, in which he was deposed from his position by passengers and crews before even the flight could take place.
The passengers told the cabin crew about this, before the flight but where calmed down by the crew.
@@MentourPilot you seriously couldnt fit all the ignored major safety processes in the video. wow
@@MentourPilot CRM should include the passengers, some of who will be qualified to deal such things as mental illness
@@MentourPilot shocking....shocking
Good for them, no doubt they saved their own lives!
That was genuinely terrifying. Definitely reinforces how important systems engineering and checks that its being followed are
Sure. But this guy would have crashed a perfectly maintained 747... It's just his absolute incompetence that shed light on all the other failings of the Glorious Sov... sorry Russian aviation industry. Not that it was some great big secret. Some people still remember "Konkordsky".
@@user-lv7ph7hs7l do you not understand what safe systems are? Defence in depth? It should have been impossible. So many times over
Bla, bla, bla systems, bla, bla bla engineering... Just hold my vodka bottle, watch me and learn, while I`m still alive (russian saying).
@@mycosys 🎉³is r5 ex
Ive watched your videos for a while and i thoroughly enjoy them. Im an automotive technician so i dig the highly technical aspect of your videos. A few years ago I worked for a Swedish company based out of Mellansel. I got to spend two AMAZING weeks in Sweden and actually stayed at a hotel in Ornskoldsvik. That was in January, and it was brutally cold but still the best "work" trip ive ever been on. Im sure someone just loved the idea of sending me to northern Sweden from balmy Houston, Texas in January. Keep up the awesome work you do.
I’ve been watching you for several months now. I actually feel better about flying after watching how each crash is a learning experience for aviation. I used to pray for a safe flight. Now my prayers go like this: Please make sure the pilots are well rested, please ensure CRM is employed correctly, and for heaven’s sake, please make sure the flaps are set correctly for take off!
Same here 😂 Also if someone from my family is on a plane I am on flight radar looking where they are and whether altitude and speed looks plausible. 😮
I hope your diety of choice is up with their aviation jargon ;)
@@cecasander 😆I sure hope so!
@@wanderotter6643 😂🤣😂 I think our Mentour Pilot is teaching us just enough to be dangerous!!!!
So last week I was watching a Mentour Pilot video at the gate waiting to board the flight. When I sat down in my seat in business class the guy next to me said he watched Mentour Pilot and it turns out he happens to be a Pilot! So we had some fun watching a two videos that he had missed. He told me you're basically required viewing at this point for a lot of commercial pilots. They even showed some of your videos in some sort of training they had! It wasn't anything official but people got to talking about it since it was relevant to the training so they pulled up the video for the class.
If you read this it was nice meeting you S and good luck in your new job at Delta! Like you said I'm sure you're still happy you didn't end up at Frontier!
As soon as I heard the word "unhinged" to describe the pilot's behaviour, my first thought was "that is someone that shouldn't be in a cockpit." The statement "do it all yourself," was another statement that proved that. In a high stress, team environment, it is important to keep a cool head and communicate effectively with your colleagues.
Over 10 years ago, I remember a night very vividly where I was in this situation of a high-stress team environment where the high stress developed very quickly. Fortunately it was in a job where the consequences of a stuff up was nowhere near as serious as a pilot flying an airplane. If I stuffed up in my situation, McDonald's customers would have to wait longer for their food.
So between 2009-2011 I worked at the busiest McDonalds in Australia. It was on the major freeway between Sydney and Newcastle. Monday nights were the quiet nights, so they were the nights where you'd train new staff while having a skeleton staff in the kitchen. So on this Monday night, there was a trainee, myself, two people on the main assembly line and one person on the grill. As a relatively experienced staff member, I was asked to train the kid on fried.
About 2 hours into my shift, the manager comes out into the kitchen and says that 3 buses of 50 people each (so 150 people) had arrived. So I was asked to open up and man the second assembly line while also helping the kid on fried. I remember that the order screen would show 4 orders at once, and then there's be a +x (x being a number) to represent the orders not showing on the screen. I remember that my screen got up to +18 at one point.
That's a night I'll never forget because it taught me that in those situations where communication is important, just keep a cool head and communicate with your team.
Love your detailed explanation of the flight via personnel as well as the aircraft.
Really horrific. The conversation from the cockpit sends chills down my spine.
I used to work for a company that was organising rotation of shipping crews. I remember one guy who caused me a lot of trouble when he straight up refused a transfer after he saw the flight to the embarkation port was with Aeroflot. He needed that job, but he said he flew with them once and will never do it again. At the time I did not understand, but after this episode I think he was a very smart man.
Mentour's videos are quite enlightening, I agree.
When ppl are saying "f this sh4t I'm out" that truly means the experience was terrible. Back when I researched airlines to fly to Japan, I decided to take a bigger financial hit and buy premium Lufthansa tickets instead of some cheap Chinese, Thai or other. Those companies had lots of negative feedback. My Lufthansa flight went without a hitch.
When was this that this guy flew with Aeroflot and what was the reason his experience was bad? The reason I am asking is because if it was in the 90s, I would not be surprised as the whole country was in a free fall at that time and things were barely functioning. But even then the main issues were related to the equipment and maintenance, not drunk or bad pilots.
And this whole story, by the way, is completely (but skillfully) fabricated. In reality it was a failed terrorist attack aimed at a huge oil refinery where the plane overtaken by the terrorists was headed. The plane had to be shot down by the local military to prevent many more deaths and the destruction of half the city.
People need to be careful with any story from Russia as there is a lot of anti-Russian propaganda that comes from inside Russia, not just outside...
@@user-tv5jj4we1b Hi. That was a long time ago, 1999 if I remember correctly. That guy never said what was his experience. I was paying attention to Aeroflot flights from then on and asked other people. Anumber of them claimed they have seen drunk pilots.
@@krzysztofiwan4901 Aeroflot is totally fine nowadays. And by “fine” I mean it operates as a normal airline should. I fly with them 4-5 times a year, never saw a drunk pilot. Also, keep in mind this wasn’t really Aeroflot, it was “Aeroflot Nord”, one of the smaller regional subsidiaries. The next day after this crash Aeroflot suspended their operations until the end of investigation, then banned them from using “Aeroflot” trade name by not renewing their contract with them, and basically did everything to disassociate Aeroflot brand from that company and that crash (which is understandable…). I believe that regional airline either went bankrupt soon afterwards or was restructured/rebranded.
As a Brit, I can confirm that asking for a cup of tea in a complex and stressful situation is definitely the correct response.
I am British and totally disagree with you.
@@lounolastname4477 I am Russian and I totally agree with you - he should have asked for a half-matryoshka of vodka.
@@xapver i reckon he already did, but it was too early on in the flight for us to hear it on the CVR
@@lounolastname4477You can't be British because the joke completely whizzed right above your head like a go-around on final approach. 😂
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Petty much when you said he asked for the cup of tea, I concluded he was suffering from chronic alcoholism. The kind where you start and end every single day with a few drinks. And probably drinks throughout the day. You don't even have to be drunk to act drunk all the time. Or more specifically, you're just unhinged and always make irrational decisions.
I used to be that guy, and considered myself "high functioning" because my colleagues and family all let me get away with it. They just (myself included) thought I was always unhinged and angry and irrational. Even days I didn't drink most of the day (probably more unhinged on the sober days due to withdrawals). Had to have a drink in my hand everywhere I went. Not surprised the captain was found to be drunk at the end. First officer sounded sober. It's very hard to say anything to these kind of alcoholics, and their ability to perform most tasks just reinforces the feeling that you're "high functioning" (there is no such thing). I can't even picture myself like that these days. I don't even have the same body I had back then.
You have a BEAUTIFUL family !!! Thanks for your wonderful videos.
All this flight needed was Leslie Nielsen to open the cockpit door and say “Good luck. We’re all counting on you”
"What's your vector, Victor?"
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Not to mention a random vulture just hanging around the cockpit.
Oh great. Now I can't get the image of a flight controller yelling "I sure picked a bad day to give up glue-sniffing" out of my head!
"Roger Rodger."
This really is insane. For the life of me, I don't understand why they wouldn't just recognize how unprepared they are to land and do a go-around. But I guess that is explained by the captain being drunk. Unbelievable.
That's Third World countries aviation for you. No regard for procedures, safety or wellbeing of the passengers because it costs money and time and takes effort.
@@filipkotowski9186 if you're going to use terms like "third world", at least know what it means so you can use it correctly.
@@filipkotowski9186 Russia is not Third-World by ANY of the definitions that phrase has had, and indeed many actual third-world countries, by BOTH major definitions, have far better safety cultures than Russia does.
Unfortunately, years later another crash of the same type in another airline but with equally 'well' trained crew showed that even a go-around is a complex and tricky manouver. Nobody was drunk there, they have recognized the situation early, initiated a go around but were not capable of completing it and another 50 lives were taken away.
So, unawareness of this crew was not due to the fact the captain was drunk. It was an effect of Dunning-Kruger in it's finest. They knew so little they didn't realize they are not capable to be pilots of 737 in general.
LOL Russia is NOT a third world country. In this case, it is just pure negligence, incompetence, absurdity, and so many other words that describe Russia's training program and the mentality of their pilots....the first officer should have known that guy was drunk, and should have had crew on-board remove him from the cockpit, informed ATC of a mutiny, and landed the plane. However, he was a coward. In the end....people that were just trying to get home had to die because of the ignorance.
Great channel and a great explanations. This channel is something I watch all the time and learn something every time.
Just to be clear, the captain wasn't "prioritizing tea". Having known many pilots just like him, he was prioritizing lording himself all over the flight crew.
As a swiss citizen, i hope one day you will cover swiss air 111. The crew deserves to be remembered
I recall that flight. Such a tragedy.
RIP to all those lost.
Wonder did a video about this flight.
I live in Canada and it made the news a few days here as well.
I remember watching the same episode on Air Crash Investigation when I was below 15 years of age. They just concluded that the accident was a result of pilot confusion because of flying Soviet style aircraft for a long period of time...
Your analysis has way more depth than that episode and now I am old enough to also understand the Physics behind maintaining altitude and speed and thrust in an aircraft...
Your analysis really made me sweat as it had so much to cover and really and also put the viewer in the shoes of the pilots...
THANKS FOR THIS ANALYSIS
I remember this episode, they more or less blamed the accident on the difference in display, and therefore the resulting issues with the horizon and “keeping the blue side up” 🫣 insane.
It was the final nail in the coffin, but at that point it's not even sure they would have recovered even without that confusion.
ACI tends to simply their cases quite a bit as they are targeting a different audience from Mentour Pilot. For example, their Air France 447 episode is so simplified that is places all the blame on the first officer without going into much detail, while Petter goes in high detail of what happened in his video.
You must be thinking of the Crossair 498 episode, as I distinctly remember them going over Russian drinking culture.
Really enjoy your detailed explanation videos. Andrew
Okay, you pointing to the next video to watch in this endcard really got me! Also: super interesting video, and stunning, how many things came together that each their own shouldn't have happened in the first place!
This has to be the most painful Mentour Pilot episode to watch. So much went wrong, from the pilots incompetencies, the failure of the system to train them to the captain being intoxicated and brash.
Truly tragic that this happened, but also because it was just so PREVENTABLE
Just an Aeroflot flight.
I'm not a pilot, just a person with an interest in aviation but your lessons about CRM have helped me as a team leader in my medical admin job. The principals of CRM can make any workplace better.
It's awesome to see your comment I'm a leader in the aviation industry, on the ground. I use CRM with my team of managers. It makes things much safer and more efficient. Kind of like SMS has taken off across most industries, I think CRM should do the same. Probably only a matter of time. Getting people to drop their egos will probably be the biggest hurdle.
I am not a team lead, but I have been doing some very basic CRM techniques even before I learned about CRM from these videos. Giving everyone a shared mental model is critical in any industry as it allows your coworkers to make informed decisions and encourages talented people to infer needed steps and take action without explicit direction. In many places we don’t get step by step manuals and processes are less strictly defined overall.
Oh Boy, Great Video and so well Narrated and Full of Technical Information.
Wow... Just wow... Things like this make you wonder just how in the hell is it possible for an airline to be so unprofessional
In this kind of tragic situation, I always think of those terrified passengers experiencing events over which they have absolutely no control…
You said that I would get my blood boiling…. But you delivered it so professionally and matter-of-factly that I was just sad the whole time. The whole system… wow.
That Captain on final with flap problem: " this sounds to me like its you problem lol " :D thats so sad as it possibly can..
Breathlyzers and drug screens should be mandatory for flight crew prior to letting them loose on travelers. This is not the first instance I've seen where alcohol or drugs were involved. One pilot actually snorted coke in the cockpit.
I flew on Aeroflot in 1987 on a high school exchange program all over the USSR during Glastnost, it was absolutely terrifying. The aircraft were in rough shape, and the flight was so erratic that there seemed like there could only be three possibilities: 1. The pilots were drunk. 2. There were serious mechanical problems with the planes. 3. The pilots hated us because we were American and were torturing us. I remember desperately hoping it was number 3.
He still hates you, those fucks only live to hate
I would be very worried about getting on a Russian aircraft lol. Just look at the state of their military
@@signoguns8501 And their infrastructure. And their manufacturing. And their politicians. And.. and.. and...
As this was Soviet Union/Russia, being drunk and careless was *very* common. This means either your reason 1 or reason 2 applied, probably both. Reason 2 maybe caused by drunk and careless mechanics, systematic theft of valuable material and tools, and/or misappropriation of funds by the bosses. All being quite pervasive in USSR/Russia. Your potential reason 3 doesn't explain why the same mess applied to flights with their nationals. Even if hatred played a part, the irresponsibility of any kind of intentional abuse might well be attributed to reason 1.
EDIT: USSR/Russia had and still has some very good engineers and many technically skilled people, and obviously there are many people who are neither drunk nor careless nor corrupt. We shouldn't forget this.
The pilots did NOT hate you, and were almost certainly not drunk. The problems most likely had to do with the state of the plane. I flew Aeroflot all my life until I got out of USSR.
This was the craziest story I’ve heard thus yet. It actually made me say out loud “wtf bruh” multiple times, and then just sit in silence when it was over.
Same here. Literally everything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong , except maybe bad weather and the like
Honestly, this was hard to listen to. The first officer was trying so hard and considering his lack of experience he handled the situation very well. If the captain would've had a smaller ego and was more competent overall this accident could've likely been avoided.
I just found your videos today while searching for a certain crash. You are an excellent speaker; your voice is pleasant; your accent is wonderful; your information is detailed and interesting! I was 40 years old when I got the courage to fly on a plane; and I loved it! I flew often afterwards; but after watching these videos, I am not so sure I want to fly again!😮
Thanks anyway! Bless you!🇺🇸☮️👏😁
From 39:19 to 39:25, I haven't heard a captain treating his colleague in such a way........ Truly bone chilling and heart wretching...........
The other captains didn't drink enough, I guess.
Here, "n," you dropped this.
It’s Soviet Union what you expect
@@RuinStreetStyle Which had ceased to exist many years before this happened. No, it was Vlad the Great's Russia RSS. They never make crazy mistakes or be rude to people. And they are a true democracy, don't you know?
Now I know why everybody clapped when our Aeroflot flight landed successfully
Nah that’s got nothing to do with this exact catastrophe, this is an old tradition coming from people knowing it’s just hard to fly an airplane. The tradition is very popular in here even though ppl know it can barely be heard in the cockpit cuz it’s fun, especially for children they may be flying with
I'm honestly worried about Aeroflot due to the sanctions. Modern airliners have close to a million parts and while Sukhoi/Tuplolev/Mikoyan etc are more than capable, they can't easily retool to produce Boeing/Airbus parts to spec some of which have proprietary/specialty suppliers.
Hearing rumors of black market parts sourced from questionable vendors and fleet cannibalism. I don't understand why civilian aircraft parts weren't exempted from the sanctions
I was doing a sit in next to a center air traffic controller, when a Russian pilot came on to is sector. The controllers around him all joked the ticker symbol was VDKA for Vodka.
And they started impersonating, not on radio, of a drunken Russian accent. Asking for more Vodka please and such.
We we're just joking of course.
This... this is horrifying.
@@wraith8323as much as aeroflot sucks, the planes that fly internationally esp in the EU/Schengen states have to comply with European safety standards. You should be fearful of flying within Russia-though that's a bad idea for a whole bunch of reasons 😂
@@wraith8323 Civilian aircraft parts were not exempted from the sanctions because the idea is that if a plane cannot be maintained, you will not fly with it. This would obviously be bad for the Russian economy, cause loss of jobs in the airline industries and hurt the population's possibilities for travel. This is the usually idea for all sanctions: hurt the economy. Kill the business.
If the Russians try to fly when they clearly should not because an aircraft has not been maintained properly, it's the Russians putting people at risk. Not the sanctions.
This reminds me of 'the 7 Ps'; Proper Prior Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
I vividly remember the last time I flew Aeroflot in 2004. It was an IL-96-300, quite a beautiful mighty plane, spacious and comfy, if a little shabby. Flight went smooth and uneventful, but the landing was a nightmare to me. As soon as the wheels touched ground, the fuselage was violently shaking and distorting, like waves going across the walls, top lights breaking and pieces of the ceiling covers breaking off and falling onto the passengers a few rows in front of me. All I could think was "this thing is breaking apart into a million pieces!"
When finally the aircraft came to a halt, that complete shocked silence in the cabin. And I thought "yeah I guess I'll choose a different airline next time"
Chose a different country....
@@chrisnamaste3572What does the airline and the country have to do with it if it was a terrorist act? I am from Russia and I have read a lot about this tragedy. There was a famous general on board who was just a cover. The territorists wanted to erase half of Perm. Believe me. And also believe the Permians who have already seen a burning plane in the sky... Also, what does alcohol have to do with it? If alcohol can be in the tissue for 12-20 hours. Also, this amount may be due to a glass of grape juice, for example. Also why were the passports in the same package on earth?
@@user-cm8pm4ut1c Wow, the Russian government will literally do anything to hide incompetence on the part of their countrymen, eh? Even to the extent of manufacturing a conspiracy theory to feed the media. I'm sorry, but facts don't care about feelings. The plane crashed because of incompetence, not because someone deliberately tried to crash it - unless you're counting the drunk on alcohol and drunk on power captain.
I flew Aeroflot and Soviet planes a lot, yet the alike experience I had with AF 747. And the only time when my plane turned back after takeoff, it was Airbus.
@@user-cm8pm4ut1c Не позорься и не пори чушь, подтверждая лишний раз своим "остроумием" то, что и так всем здесь очевидно. Здесь все отлично описано как есть, без прикрас, которую обычно льют в рашке, чтобы выгородить своих алкашей-придурков и выставить все в белом свете.
You know? I never had a fear of flying. But these videos still make me less afraid than I was before. I guess it's thanks to knowing all that has to go wrong for a crash, and how much safer flying becomes after these events. Thank you for this youtube channel.
So you aren't afraid of flying and you're now still not afraid of flying? Thanks for sharing.
@DDG2023 haha that's basically the sum of it. Valid point.
This channel is saving lives. Thank You.
Your right! It is helping by making sure no one ends up in the sky in the first place lol 😂
Not sure it you read comments under your older videos but thank you anyway for covering this disaster thoroughly and explaining the deep causes of it instead of resorting to rasism and arrogance like too many people do, unfortunately.
Most of the Russians older than 30 still don't know English and feel little need to learn it since they can't afford to travel abroad. It's hard to explain to a person from an English-speaking environment how much this decreases your chances to learn the language which wasn't an absolute must in your profession when you chose it, especially in older age. No wonder the younger pilot was better at it. Combined with the mentioned fatigue his limited English can explain why he sounded drunk to that foreign passenger who sent the sms.
The 90th was a time of political progress and social disaster in Russia. Criminals and some talented individuals rose, most people lost everything they felt entitled to. And then, in the 2000th, demand for international travelling exceeded supply rapidly. All crew with some knowledge of English, experience on Western jets and actual skills concentrated in Aeroflot leaving most of the minor airlines with what was left.
You're my favourite aviation channel ❤
P.S.: To all those who speak ill of Russian people and Russian culture: "thank" you for helping Putin and his propagandists to convince my compatriots that they are hated and slighted throughout the West.
Unbelievable that the pilot passed a pre flight examination. Truly a scary situation
@@exploatores Best part is Lenin hated alcoholism with a passion, but as soon as Stalin came to power and realized how effective it was at keeping the populace in check, it was as available as could be. They made the Stolichnaya bottles without resealable caps, the assumption was the average consumer would drink the whole thing in one sitting.
Thats russia
My "Aerospace Company" was doing offset business with an Italian Company that fell behind schedule (9 ship sets of Fuselages) and over $1 a day to stop our assembly line. So the Italians were forced to fly (preciously always Land/Sea shipments) the components to the USA and hired a "Russian Cargo Outfit" to do the job ... non-stop from Italy to USA on an AN-224. As it was "Russian" and landing on a US Airbase, the Aircraft was "lead" to the offload site by several US "Agencies". When the US cleaning crew entered the Cockpit, they were totally shocked ... not just from the smell but the presence of17 empty Vodka bottles. So no, doesn't surprise me the Captain found a way around the "Testing". Sad.
@@craigsowers8456 Russian cargo did not posess AN-224, and nobody else did, as I don't think the type ever existed. If you meant An-225 then "Russian" did not posess it either as it was operated by Antonov Airlines which is a Ukrainian company. As far as I know until it was destroyed it had not had any major accident - which would be impossible it it was flown by such unprofessional crew you mentioned. So, long story short, very unlikely.
Yes, indeed.
I could see some issues with captain's understanding of teamwork between cabin crew and pilots. I might be wrong, but it sounded like captain's ego was hurt by cabin crew reminding him about seat belt sign not turned on so instead of being grateful for help he immediately tried to pretend he didn't forget the procedure by stating it is too early for seat belt sign. What is worse it looked like he wanted to "remind" cabin crew that pilots control airplane and cabin crew here to serve passengers and crew members drinks and snacks by asking for cup of tea at that crucial phase of flight. The crew there is for safety and all crew members have same goal in first place - to keep everyone safe.
Thought the same! Very recognizable behavior in post-soviet countries, unfortunately even today. The insecurity about being "caught" in a mistake turns into pettiness and passive-aggressive remarks...
@@naraku_naru, I was assuming that because I am from post-soviet country and I grew up among such people and have these issues myself which I try to battle, so sadly I can sometimes see part of myself in other people from those countries.
He was drunk so what kind of teamwork do you expect from a drunk pilot ?
Yup the captain was drunk.
@@mikoto7693 He even had no right to being a cpt in the first place. These two just met without any crew management training or even training with copilot. Both were training alone with just instructor.
I think it would be important to highlight the difference between the USSR days, and the last 20 yrs, when Russia has been a sovereign nation, however, suffering severe damage from the 10 yrs after the USSR collapsed virtually overnight, and heavy American influence was present, and Russia was broke with a totally broken economy.
It's been a long hard fight back, but the excellence of Fighter aircraft and high degree of training in the Armed Services during the Military Operation in Ukraine shows that times have changed. Experts in military matters, and economic, testify that Russia is a totally different country; that the Military, including the pilots in the RAF is the best in the world, and that, in spite of the burden poured on her by america and its vassals, her economy is actually flourishing. I flew via Aeroflot in Nov 2017 Vladivostok to Moscow, and had no complaints at all. It's a long, 8 hour flight across 11 time zones, and it was a smooth comfortable flight arriving on time. You cant judge modern Russia by what it was 20 yrs ago and before.
I don't know anything about flying but it seems to me that the most important part of computer assist is to absolutely step in when bonehead things are being commanded instead of just trying to cover them up and adjust for them secretly.
It should automatically warn when incongruencies are detected - such the thrust mismatch - not just secretly adjust for it at the yoke and allow the incongruencies to go on unannounced AND pile up on each other.
It seems that there would be a warning that the speed was too low for the flap angle, or that their approach was off by KILOMETERS as well as being WAY too high.
It would seems that a computer could do the necessary adjustments and inputs better than the humans can once the targeted destination airport / runway was input.
Basically it seems like all the autopilot did was cover all their mistakes until it was too late to discover and unravel all of them...
Just remember that computers and code are still made by human beings and there's nothing worse than when those malfunction. Removing the pilots ability to control their aircraft has caused many crashes in its time
As a Russian born in the city near Perm I can say it hit too close to home… I don’t know if the captain was just intoxicated or extravagant tired - they used to exploit people working for this airline quite a bit - or both, it doesn’t matter… horrible accident that would be easy to avoid if people got a proper training. Heartbreaking story. 💔
He was both tired and drunk (drank already when boarding the plane, violating the instructions). A day before, his wife born a baby. He asked for a vacation, but they did not allow him, forced him to fly. So he was very agitated and tired.
@@onealpha5 Nobody was holding a gun to his head (or to the FO's head to fly with a drunken captain.) When people trade professional honor and integrity for money, planes start dropping from the sky and the society goes to tank. We need to make sure this doesn't happen in our country.
@@weekendwarrior3420 The psycho state of affect is stronger than a gun at the head.
@@onealpha5 I don't understand what you've said. I know when I'm drunk and I don't get behind the wheel of my car then. If he did it because he was afraid to lose his job - that's the trade I meant above.
How does it feel to be a Russian girl?
6 years ago I worked at MRO organisation as aircraft maintenance mechanic and we had contract with aeroflot, some Airbus A320 planes need maintenance. The things we saw then were shocking, the state of those planes were absolutely terrible. Massive fuel leaks, empty hydraulic systems, engine vibrations, multiple systems failures are just everyday occurrence in aeroflot. Same things were also happening in Belavia airline. Also I know some russian pilots and I understand russian mentality very well, because I lived in post soviet country, so I could say, that russian work culture is absolutely terrible and CRM was just not a thing in soviet union/russia.
jiems sunku suprasti tą rusišką mentalitetą, tai kažkas tokio, ko mums patiems sesiseka pilnai atsikratyti, nors jau tiek metų laisvi ;)
... and that should also explain the Russia/Ukraine situation currently going on ... same "culture" where neither side will give up. Sad and outrageous !!!
@@craigsowers8456 To be fair, one side is fighting to not have to dig their own graves, and the other (that could withdraw without consequence) is throwing young folks at a meatgrinder for the ego of its leader. Typical eastern Europe stuff.
@@craigsowers8456 yes, because not giving up and surrendering to a nation that has shown through its words and actions wants to eliminate you as a people is the same as being the country invading and doing all that shit.
If people like you had their way in ww2 we'd all be speaking German.
@@craigsowers8456 nah keep reaching. Ukraine is nothing like Russia.
In this day and age we really need 3D situational displays of where aircraft are to the airport
Honorably served with the 35th Wild Weasels back in the 1980's. All incidents that occurred during my time with the Weasels were attributed to maintenance crew or pilot error, with pilot error being the most prominent contributor (all accidents except one, and even that one was something the crew should've caught). Did some private flying in the 90's. During that time, I'd read the magazines in our school which contained summaries of aircraft accidents, and, once again. pilot error was the primary cause. Watching this channel's videos, and that issue remains. All that said, removing humans from the controlling seats of at minimum commercial aircraft should be a priority. The technologies exist to do that. In fact, even the automation technologies in the aircraft are limited by the humans that use them (such as the prioritization of warnings presented to a flight crew). There's a strong argument to do the same for military aircraft, with the added benefit of lower aircraft costs and performance limitations since a human is on board.
That shaking cockpit when "the captain is furious" cracked me up...
I used to work as a flight sim tech. Somewhat monthly we had crews calling for technical assistance due to being "unable to engage autopilot". Our first response over telephone was always "Is your yaw-damper engaged". YESYES everything is fine. computer is not ok. After a while, i created the habit of just entering the sim, without looking enable yaw-damper first and enable autopilot second. "ahh yesyes, could not see button from here". I was always confused on how you want to give such crew a muti million machine to fly with...
Not just a multi million dollar machine… but hundreds of human lives. Pilots need to be thoroughly screened
In the 1990's I had a friend that to fly on Aeroflot.
1) She asked why she did not have a seat belt. Shrug and what is her problem.
2) There was no insulation on the inside of the plane - which meant that at cruising altitude the exposed metal skin of the plane was very very cold- and so was the whole plane.
3) It was really really really noisy.
What? What year was this in? That is crazy!
That was the cheapest used plane they could possibly buy in a somewhat flying condition. Of course all the insulation was long rotten away and had to be removed. That is just how Aeroflot rolled during the 90s.
@@Kirillissimus The babyflots rolled like that, "Aeroflot" ceased to exist in 1991, the Aeroflot of today just shares a name, and only 1 babyflot still exists, in S7.
I recall in tu-154 it was so noisy that I had ear inflammation after a 4 hour flight. When I first got into boeing, I was stunned it was just so quiet.
@@KirillissimusJudging by the noise, it was most likely a Soviet jet. My first flight as a 9 year old was on TU-154 and I can somewhat remember the window panels as cold. Can't confirm the level of noise though. Was too fascinated by the sight of deep blue waves of the Black Sea as the plane was turning over it for the landing:)
Greetings from a Brit living in S Florida. Enjoy your analysis immensely even though you put me on the edge of my seat. Go Panthers!
I wish you were always my captain on any flight I take. Thanks for the excellent breakdowns of all of these, my friend!