KSF 940 ballast regulating near Yazoo City Mississippi
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Today we are regulating ballast behind a tie gang on CN Railroad. I shot this video of a very seasoned operator regulating the final pass. I also managed to capture a little bit of a tamper set as well.
When he is brooming surely you could copy the noise and kids would dance to it at a disco.
If only I were a DJ.
Very cool. I had no idea there was that much work involved.
Thanks. Yeah, the rail industry is mostly invisible to much of the public. You would be surprised by the amount of your life that is affected by rail transit.
Been there, Done that. 30 to 40 years ago for ICG railroad's Motor Car Shop. The machines were a little different back then but did the same jobs.
Nice, kind of a slow start because I really couldn't see what was happening, but the last 10 minutes were great. And @14:30 I could see the dips and waviness of the tracks very clearly.
Thanks for the feedback. Lately I have only been on KSF 940s in snow mode. That means they work alone. But hopefully it will get better.
That's pretty fancy with all the hydraulics on the boxes. Our Kershaw ballast regulator was all cables.
I've seen many of those before. I was always amazed they ever worked new. Much less 20 years later.
Awesome piece of machinery!!
Thank you.
Ah, the good ole surfacing gang. I’ve enjoyed building those Knox Kershaw Ballast Regulators and Tie Cranes, then demo and sell them. Those were the days.
When did you quit?
@@lumpar87 2004
@@Takhor86 I the guy who trained me would know you. But you were a little before my time. His name was Jimmy.
I live in a area (Sweden) there the line speed is 160 km/h and the X2 train will come at 200 km/h. That was fast enough to suck up stones and send them into peoples windows.
Now there is a barrier (ie a net) and the maintainer has a special item making sure that there is visible a inch of concrete of each sleeper.
Stones which is laying on the sleeper will be picked up and sent somewhere including hitting people waiting for the train....
Why aren't the stones being cleared from the sleepers by the brush on the regulator?
This particular gang was using a machine at the end of the consist called a double broom. It will clear the ballast. This speeds the whole process by making separate machines doing separate jobs. But not all gangs work this way.
With regards to line speed:
160 km/h is for normal locomotives ie Rc of the 80s generation (Rc5/Rc6) while more modern vehicles with adaptives/soft boogies has permission to use higher speed (by percent ie x2 has 25 % on 160 km/h) but the signalling must be adapted to the higher speeds.
So a fairly modern Bombardier EMU has 180 or 200 while a TRAXX with its simple traction motor suspension has 120-140 km/h.
Great video! Thanks for sharing 👍
You are quite welcome.
Cheers from NZ. Safe travels
we live on Pam Am Rail lines in Maine always wondered what all this was. ty
They just got bought out by CSX now. So that's not Pan Am anymore. but good to know.
Those other videos of mine about tie cranes are in your area.
I love learning things like this. Thank you for taking the time to make this and explain the process.
I actually started doing this for my kids. It started growing and I'm glad you all are enjoying it.
@@lumpar87 What a cool thing to do! I’ve never put much thought into rails but you got a new subscriber
@@enragedbutterfly Thank you very much. I hope you enjoy my videos and I'll keep making them for as long as I can.
tie gang gettin it done, thanks for keepin the rails safe ...
You bet
The track is CWR with 20 inch center-to-center between sleepers, and the speed difference between trains is 120 km/h (slowest 80 km/h fastest 200 km/h) and fully signaled.
The "brushes" around the track @ 05:12 are usually made from old airlines stuffed full of cut lengths of wire rope.
This clever dodge is the most durable found yet, and they STILL require frequent replacement.
I'm aware that some customers have used that in the past. Even some that used only steel cable. The problem with that was that it caused damage to the ties if not adjusted properly.
Thanks, great vid. I now know what the track measure device is and purpose. I often wondered what that long thing did
Great video!!! Very well explained! Subscribed and looking forward to seeing more soon
I really appreciate that. I have more videos already and I plan to try to upload a new one each week.
Great video. Thanks!
Glad you liked it. I hope I can continue to bring acceptable content.
I would’ve loved to have known decades ago how valuable railroad equipment, machines and tools would be today. It has to be a billion dollar industry. The railroad companies have a dedicated machine to to do each and every process to maintain the railways. I never knew how many different kinds machines are used. If I had that knowledge years ago, I’d be a billionaire today. That equipment isn’t cheap and it wears out. Just supplying replacement parts has to be a multimillion dollar business in itself. I was born several decades too late😫 💰 💵
Same here.
It would be much simpler to have another angle blade behind that first assembly, which would act as a grader blade and bring those rocks closer to the train track so that you could do everything in one forward motion
You're not wrong, however, most operators just use the wings for that while they broom.
@6:25 "rocks are going to go everywhere so i cant be in front of it" @7:34 proceeds to walk right in front and within 1 ft of the machine
First off. Love the name. Second. The deflector was down just so I could get a better shot. I know it wasn't the safest thing to do but I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Very cool vid thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Pretty sure my grandpa who worked on the Erie-Lackawanna foe 50 years would be amazed .
I've met my fair share of retired railroaders. They usually are pretty enthusiastic about seeing the new ways we do things now.
Here in Switzerland they use one machine or a combination of machines coupled together, I've seen machines by the name of Scheuchzger a lot.
Yes. Probably made by Plasser
Nice capture..
Can I use this video in my train compilation video credit to you in video will be given
Of course. Feel free to use any of them.
@@lumpar87 Thank you...
Thanks, there isn`t much train activity in N.H. We don`t get to see anything like this.
I'm literally uploading a video tomorrow about one of these in NH. Check back around 8 tomorrow.
Bună ziua spor la treaba 🙋🌍💯👍
Nice video
Thank you.
how long do the plastic ties last I did 40 years on CR and NS we put a few in as a test in yard track
Well in my experience as a contractor I've only seen composite ties used twice. Both times they were newer than five years. They weren't holding up that great. Others may have different experiences with them. However the local guys had mostly agreed that 5 to 7 years was normal.
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In my area the track is required to stay still in the interval -40 celsius - 60 celsius ..... (no broken rails in the the winter och heat induced curves in the summer.)
What is your requirement on the amount of ballast on the outside of the track ?
In this particular location the minimum shoulder is 12 inches with 18 as the maximum. That is the same for most of my customers. This location also being in southern Mississippi means they’ll probably never have a pull-a-part either. Some of my northern customers have to be more careful about how tight the Rail is when de stressing in the summer.
@@lumpar87 Here we can only do destressing at night in the summer (or if the weather becomes tropical NOT at all) so a sun induced curve is with the temperatures from the last few years a REAL bother.
@@TheStefanskoglund1 that is actually very interesting to know. What rail company is that for?
@@lumpar87 swedish state railroad administration.
This is a bit complicated and i'm not a track maintenance tech (signal and electricity part is more my area) ,
but for Malmbanan Lule-Narvik : 8-12 degree celsius,
southern Sweden: 16-20 celsius.
The interval is based on a median over the year.
The temperature there the rail is in equilibrium can be 3-4 degrees higher than a point in the interval but not lower. What the actual temp should be after new build or after repair is decided by the person which is responsible for the track.
When thermite welding , the rail should be at the low end of the interval such that after the heatup prior to welding the rail temp is allowed to increase 4 degrees.
@@lumpar87
a normal requirement on the minimum width of the shoulder is 40 cm with speeds below 200 km/h, 50 cm when speed > 200 km/h and larger than 55 cm if the curve's radius is < 500 m.
Which due to the running of X2 at increased speeds compared with the nominal line speed means that the lines Stockholm-Göteborg, Stockholm-Malmö and Göteborg-Malmö must have at LEAST 50 cm (20 inch?) of shoulder.
The normal line speed is 160 km/h but :
X2 and other more modern vehicles has allowances on top speed which in the case of the X2 is 25 % so 200 instead of 160 km/h while a Stadler Flirt also is allowed to run at 190 km/h.
The increased top speeds for certain trains is dependent on if the signalling system is modified with longer pre-signalling stretches. This is done using extra ATC repeating balisees ie they will tell the train about the aspect of a signal 3 km away.
Yes, the philosophy behind how european signalling is done and how braking is arranged is VERY different from US railroads.
The deceleration of a an emergency brake application of the X2 (running above 160 km/h requires a special magnetic rail brake) is above 1 g - a normal comfort brake from 200 km/h to still is 2500 m BUT an emergency brake application from 200 km/h means standing still in less than 1200 m, which is far shorter than many US railroad goods trains....
Interesting , and that is a good use for recycled plastic
That was the idea. But it failed.
We're they adding a double track?
No they were replacing ties. After you've disturbed the tracks you'll have to reposition it. Also known as surfacing
en una vía nueva, con exceso de balasto primero hay que sacar el balasto sobrante del cajón, para luego regular los hombros y pasar el cepillo?? o como seria el proceso
ese es básicamente el proceso, sí. en este video, acababan de reemplazar los lazos.
That is basically the process, yes. In this video they had replaced the ties.
Sorry if that doesn’t translate correctly I had to use a translate app.
@@lumpar87 ok gracias por su información, me estoy formando como perfilador en el proyecto del tren maya en México.
Wait... those sleepers are still wood? Why aren't they concrete?
There's another string of comments about that.
seriously cool! wonder how they did this back in the days before these machines
With grading blades attached to dozers or train cars.
There should be a private crew that travels the country and contracts this out for small private and excursion lines. Those wavy scary rails need alot of help.
There are. They're called surfacing gangs. That track wasn't finished yet.
how fretuwnt wyou have to do this on a main line? i understand theres probably alot of variables, but if it sees heavy use by freight?
The normal interval is usually once per year. But like you said, there are variables. Sometimes they can go longer. But in muddy areas it's more often.
I noticed he didn’t idle down before turning on the broom! I train them to do that.
I do train them to do that. But as you know, operators hardly ever listen.
@@lumpar87 you are correct! When you leave, they do what they want.
Thanks
How well do the "plastic" ties hold up compared to traditional ones?
Not well at all. The ones I saw were reinforced with rebar because the first ones cracked in half. The rebar reinforced ones had trouble because a misplaced spike would shunt the track.
What is this done for?
It is called surfacing. The short answer is the tamper makes the track smooth and level. And the regulator makes the ballast match the track. If the ballast isn't correct the track could move.
@@lumpar87 thanks 👊🏻
Never seen this before.
This is actually the most common maintenance performed on track.
wirkt für mich irgenwie umständlich das macht in Deutschland eine Maschine auf einmal
Kostet warscheinlich auch doppelt so viel. :D
Is this only done when the ties are replaced? or as part of more frequent maintenance too.
Any time the ballast has been disturbed as well as regular maintenance.
weirdest thing squished by a train u found
Weirdest thing I've found squished by a train? That's a tough one. You don't normally find things that we specifically ran over by the wheels of a train. However I've been working on some areas where there had been a derailment in the past and found interesting mangled pieces of train cars and such. But the most interesting thing for me was when I first started out, I was on a GPR truck and we found a large hollow spot under the tracks. There had been a derailment before and a boxcar was used as filler when rebuilding. A decade later and it had rusted through. Causing a little sinkhole because it was buried empty. Under the ballast.
@@lumpar87 cool thanks for your time
why didn't he just knock down the rocks as he's broomimg the ballast from the ties ? Wasted steps
Depending on the operator and the location that is the way they will do it. This operator was a little nervous since it was a brand new machine he was still getting used to while I was also taking video.
The fact that he was willing to wait till he was more used to it makes him a decent operator. But he also forgot to return to idle before turning on the broom. No one is perfect.
Why do you still use wooden sleepers???
It's the most cost effective material for that job. Cement ties are great, but they have to be tamped annually or they begin to move up and down with the weight of a train and literally grind themselves to dust. Wooden ties require less maintenance and are cheaper. I'm assuming if you're referring to them as sleepers then you are from Europe. If the main transport of the track is people then cement works splendidly. However, for a large mile-long ( 2-3 km) train the weight is exponentially greater.
@@lumpar87 Interestingly, we just abandoned the use of wooden sleepers because they could not cope due to intensive cargo transportation. In fact, we are returning to the idea of even starting the transition to a completely concrete base instead of sleepers
@@DVXDemetrivs that's usually a great idea. And in many companies that might work. But as previously stated, it's cost effective. I don't work at a railroad company so I'm just repeating what they've told me. It basically falls down to cost and manpower. The concrete ties are better but require more maintenance. They have the ability to outlast wood if properly maintained. However, some American railroads own more than 30k miles of tracks. And they just don't have the ability to keep them up. Those larger railroads actually use a lot of cement ties. But also wood. This particular railroad from this video is a Canadian owned rail company.
@@lumpar87 Here SJ did a huge job in the 40-70s changing the subroadbed on their main lines but still a lot can be done on the main lines (i know a place there the masts for the OHLE waves while a train passes....)
The standard gauge lines which was narrow gauge from the beginning is with regards to subroadbed much worse.
The main problem with concrete ties is that they demands a very steady subroadbed - if not they will due to vibration turn into tiny pieces (they are too stiff to adapt to a somewhat moving sub roadbed.)
I enjoyed this, but gotta be honest, the europeans kick our asses when it comes to this track stuff, from laying to replacement to repair... Feel like I'm going back in time watching the US manage track.
I’m sure it feels that way to some. But there’s also a lot more behind it than what you see on the surface. Like the fact that the US is so much larger than every European country. It takes a lot less money to maintain their smaller railroads. And less manpower. There are some areas here in the states that are on par with Europe though. This particular spot in this video is in the wetlands of Mississippi. Too much mud to be able to use the same tactics.
-Инфраструктура железных дорог очень изношенная. Средний возраст по всей стране составляет 150 лет. Нужна срочная модернизация всего полотна!
Почему вы не используете железобетонные шпалы? И почему за столь долгий период вы не хотите электрифицировать железнодорожный транспорт?
Хотя мне ответ понятен: весь бизнес сосредоточен в частных руках, и скорее всего у владельцев нет желания и средств для улучшения качества дорог!
А зря!!!
Я благодарю вас за ваше мнение. Некоторая железнодорожная инфраструктура в Соединенных Штатах Америки слишком удалена, чтобы обеспечить электрифицированное передвижение. Особенно на грузовых транспортных линиях, подобных этой. Деревянные шпалы более рентабельны и необходимы в районах, где ежегодное техническое обслуживание невозможно. Поскольку территории намного больше, чем компании, у них есть возможность иметь достаточно сотрудников для выполнения этой работы. Если бы вы понимали размер нашей железнодорожной инфраструктуры, это имело бы больше смысла.
@@lumpar87 -Я понимаю о чём вы! Я ведь тоже здесь живу и вижу это своими глазами!)))
Как бы там ни было, нашей власти прийдется принимать новые реформы!
Без полной модернизации экономики и железных дорог в том числе,аварии на путях будут только увеличиваться!…
Спасибо за понимание!👌
Я говорю о том, что большую часть своей взрослой жизни я проработал в железнодорожной отрасли. Вы тоже живете здесь, в Соединенных Штатах Америки? если бы вы жили здесь, то вы бы воочию увидели, что железнодорожная отрасль работает не так, как в других странах.
@@lumpar87 -Я с уважением отношусь к вашей профессии!
Да! Вы правы. Отличие лишь в протяженности железнодорожного полотна. И частично в используемых материалах при строительстве железных дорог.
Я родился в Советской Союзе. Там конечно протяжённость путей практически в два раза меньше. Но правда там вся сеть электрифицирована. Там зачастую использовались электрические локомотивы. Тепловозы больше как маневровый транспорт.
И там были бетонные шпалы.
Наверное просто потому, что вся инфраструктура железных дорог принадлежала государству!
Потому всё делали на совесть!)))
Как там сейчас я не могу утверждать, ибо давно там не был!
Ещё раз успехов в вашей работе 👋!
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