Cook stove, lanterns (battery or gas/oil), fire starting kits (not matches or lighters) Other than that it could basically pertain to things that are small enough to pack in one or two backpacks. Bare assentials
Perhaps you try to put together an Amazon Camping/Survival Kit from all your cheapest items series. Nothing like shower curtain camping but a budget camping/survival set for someone to get their kid or themselves into the outdoors. Something similar to the Woodworking kit. I purchased the woodworking kit minus the plane, found a Stanley #4 for 55$ US. Would be nice to find some surprising items to put in my truck when I'm out woodsing it.
"Your scientists were so focused on putting survival tools inside the hilt of a knife that you didnt stop to ask if you SHOULD fill the hilt of a knife with survival tools"
I got this knife as a gift and I must have been living a good life as it worked well for what it is. The compass worked, I took out the tube and added my own mini-gear. I added Lock-Tite to the nut component just in case. The "saw" was used for scaling fish. It was pretty tasty after using the matches and some laundry lint to start a fire going. The knife was not made for batoning or throwing. Occasionally I'll change the gear inside. My latest was adding a micro-mini light.
I did something similar to my survival knife, it was a Defender or Maxam type model. The serrations were good so I didn't need to work on those. I added a washer and put locktite on the nut, put strike anywhere matches, longer fishing line added more hooks & weights. It was a neat little project. Did something along those lines with a Rambo knife as well.
Maybe the friction and vibration caused the nut inside to loosen? Maybe put some thread locker on the bolt and give it another chance. You have to touch up the high end knifes and axes, so why are you expecting a 7 dollar knife to be box ready?
Sheshmare Gaming Yeah but it WOULD break if he would have taken next log. And you don't want your survival knife to break on you do you. And in that state as it was after the wood test it's not very great. Only good thing about it is that you can store stuff inside it but there's other better knives that can do that as well. You get what you pay for. you might as well buy something great or not buy it at all.
I'd like to see you make it through a winter night with only one piece of wood. A good survival knife should not take any damage what so ever from batoning such a small piece of wood, even if it is hard. It could be days before you make it home, the knife has to hold together and have good enough steel to hold an edge for a good while, otherwise it does not deserve to have survival in the name. That said, it was 7 dollars so really you can't expect much from it.
You are absolutely right about this, batoning is not for every day use. However if you are in an emergency situation, lost in the woods or some kind of accident on a hunting trip or whatever your "Survival" knife is supposed to be rugged enough to hold up for some batoning so that you atleast can keep a fire going, otherwise it should not hold the name Survival knife.
i had a survival knife just like this as a kid. I wrapped the entire handle in cord and found there was enough room for twice as many survival supplies inside. The coolest trick with these knives is you will notice the handguard has two holes, You can unscrew the bottom cap take out your survival kit stick a stick up the tube and use some of the cord to tie through the holes to retain the knife so you have a spear.
Pickle Nipple Gaming I understand that and like the series , however there are also a large portion of his viewers that wouldn't mind spending a reasonable amount of money for a Quality kit to use in true survival or emergency situation . At a $200 to $300 price limit that will still be very challenging to compile. This is still within reach of "The Common Man" So far 53 viewers concur. PLUS... Cody could have another drawing to give it away at the end. Appreciate the dialogue. Rick
Ok lets recap: - its sharp but not razor sharp (so just sharpen it) - hollow handle with working compass + waterproof capsul - capsul fillings were very good (Maybe add a water purifing tablet) matches can be exchanged for stromproof ones - you can thighten the blade with the nut to stop movement - you can (thanks to the hollow handle easily make a spear) - it survived batoning (something barely used in real survival...more a youtube thingy) - no a survival knife is not for knife throwing So in conclusion for 7 dollars you get a knife that complete all the test (even though the tests were quite stupid)
Martin Erhard I see you really are crying about this tongue in cheek review. The fact that it has a hollow handle and rat-tail tang tells anyone who is serious about knives all they need to know about this abomination.
My feelings exactly people assume a rat tail tang and Hollow handle automatically make a knife junk or disappointing however it can make them although easier to loosen much easier to repair also that Hollow handle is very useful it even comes with a waterproof capsule I would pay $7 just for that disregarding the compass matches Etc however it does also come with that even if you knew nothing about sharpening knives you still get a decent knife with a waterproof capsule and if you're not going to use the Halo handle it becomes much lighter if only I knew what type of Steel it is I would imagine 420 440 or nameless Steel very corrosion-resistant however can have trouble holding an edge but seeing as how it comes fairly Sharp and comes with a compass hopefully you won't spend much time needing to survive overall a solid 8 out of 10
@@diogeneslantern18 you really are full of yourself aren't you is absolutely ridiculous that a rat tail Tang can't be done properly a matter of fact when done properly I wager to say that it would be only slightly worse than a Full Tang Blade and in some regards better because it can be easily tightened the hollow handle can make it very light as well
@@CaptainKronk Yes but this isnt even a rat tailed tang. Its a screw tang. A regular rat tail tang like on the mora bushcraft isnt screwd onto the handle.
Durability was compromised for sure, but overall it seems to have passed the tests. I'd like to see you submerge it in water to see if it would flood the inside of the handle through the junction point with the blade. It would render the rubber loop useless because water would enter from the other side, however there would still be a capsule trying to keep water away from the matches and stuff.
and there was also a mini ziplock bag inside the capsule, if he didn't trow it away... i would have kept it, one more layer against moisture is always good.
Igor Freitas The idea of the O ring isn't to hold it under water, it's so if you dropped it into water, it would stay dry because the knife would float. Obviously during submersion it would probably leak.
@@dougjohnsonbushcraftandbjj5561 I don't think it floats... I could be wrong, but yeah even the stuff in the little black capsule got wet. Im pretty sure everything in the handle got wet. So just keep it out of water... Honestly though the best part about this knife is how you can make a spear out of it. Also the fact that you can store whatever you want in the handle. Like you could put all of those things in a waterproof ziplock baggie and then stuff it in... Or you can put other useful things in
They are serrations for w/e you need them for? scrape inner bark, seperate strands from inner barks, fish scalers, maybe even a scraper for your ferro rod... etc.
Don't even have to buy boat matches, just dip strike-anywhere matches in some candle wax a time or two. For what you pay for a box of lifeboat matches you could have 200 waterproofed matches.
I have an older version, and it has the same problem. The nut will tighten just fine though, and it seems to handle the stress relatively well. No permanent damage
Even if the nut can be tightened, the only tool a survival knife should need to keep it in good order is a whetstone, not a socket wrench. It's a really bad design prone to failure. I have been around enough to respect Murphy's law. That $7 survival knife is just a invitation for him to work his twisted magic, when you can least afford to happen.
I have seen expensive knives with high quality steel chip out during batoning. Very good knives, with very good steel. The problem is that wood grows in such a way that its fibers and strands can create enormous amounts of torque on a blade, which is especially hard on the grind where the blade is at its thinnest. It is far more reasonable to gather small wood, or use your knife to make enough shavings to get a fire going, then add larger wood later. 👍
my old friend used to say something about baton methods. "if you are ever in a situation where the only possible way to split wood is to baton your knife, then your situation is FUBAR and you should definitely not risk damaging your knife." batoning can damage even high quality knives or cause injury especially if you try it with such a short blade. the chances are low, but its a chance that you really don't need to take. just use smaller pieces of wood until you can get bigger pieces going. takes like 5 minutes longer...
You cant do that in a environment that is wet and rainy constantly, we teach batoning at the school i work at, it has a time and a place. I have batoned wood every single week for the past 7 years with my newest knife, i havent damaged it, bent it or broke it in any way shape or form. If you don't know how to baton sure you can scew up your knife, or if you are doing it with a knife that doesn't have a full tang, or is made from cheap materials. You baton to get to the dry wood on the inside, and it usually needs to be a larger piece of wood around a beer can in diameter to make sure the wood is dry. Thats where you would get the dry wood from and dry tinder if you have no other source.
@circa blonk because batoning wood is a survival skill, utilizing the kit and tool the average person may still have on their person in a isolating incident, historically it is the one tool the majority of people have because it is attached to their body. Of course you would use a axe if you had one.
@circa blonk I have a axe but rarely use it while instructing, because my students don't have a axe. They need to see how to accomplish the tasks without specific tools and see how it can be done. I teach survival for the U.S. military and have done so for over 12 years.
SlepKep depends on the line. It could be flourocarbon which is much thinner than mono. Different brands also offer different diameters for specific weight classes.
Question: when testing sharpness, you seem to always push the blade through the piece of paper, then see if it will slice. Why? The way I've always done it, and seen it done, is to slice into an unsupported edge of the paper.
slicing it is a good test. definitely better test that pushing the tip in the middle of the paper and then slicing the rest. plus you can tell how sharp it is by how the paper reacts to the knife and how clean the cut is.
I bought the exact same knife from my friend for like five bucks and its like a foot longer, literally the exact same, knife compass and all its just a huge buck knife version. I hide my weed in the secret compartment in it.
Good thinking, because the cops would never notice a big old survival knife on your belt, and would never think to unscrew the handle, because they've never seen Rambo.
Sorry, but NO ! For 7$ this is a pretty good knife. "So what do we learn ?" We learn that you need to inform yourself about the product you order. 1. The size is clearly discribed and the knife can be ordered in 3 different sizes. You have the small one. Medium is the standard survival knife size you expected and large is a 41cm big knife. 2. It was clear that the handle is hollow and comes with stuff inside. 3. The matches came in a small plastic bag for a reason. You didn´t put it back in but directly into the plastic capsule so there was no protection from moisture. 4. A compass in a metal housing can work, because the housing is aluminum and not iron. Not every metal is magnetic. One thing is true so: The compass doesn´t work. But besides that, for 7$ this knife is pretty good unless you believe a 7$ knife can do the job of an axe.
for 7$ this is a good knife however his point was that you should invest in a more expensive knife as it will give you more options and durability rather than buying the same knife over and over again and your number 4 isnt even relevant to your base claim because it literally didnt even work same with number 3
"@ $7 you cannot get a survival knife ... @ amazon" amazon carries morakniv 511 and 546 for about $10 usually, or $7 every now and then. made in sweden. good for shaving from the factory, will baton wood all day long, and the scandi grind is easy to sharpen without fancy tools or skills. true, the handle doesn't open, but if you can do without a compass that doesn't show north, you just cannot beat the mora as a basic bushcraft/survival knife. did i mention it is made in sweden?
Tell it like it is, brother. Harbor Freight sells a knife that is virtually identical. I have never tested it to its limits. For average use, it's not bad for the price.
Only useful if the weight really really matters. I dont know many situation in which I wouldnt rater go for a good axe and a good saw as seperate tools
I have a machete that has 3 differing serrated edges (wood saw, bone saw, and not sure what the 3rd one is for) But the shape of the blade and hilt of the handle in conjunction with the blade thickness makes it more ideal for survival than a knife or axe
@@Mikey-ym6ok really easily , i have this knife and did all of these tests but more carefully , it didnt even loose because i didnt hit the handle , when it finally loosed up i took the capsule out , and tightened the nut inside the handle , boom thats how you do that
I got one of these from harbor freight. no black inner thing, but same where it counts. personally i just have it by my bed, but the best part of this is that there is plenty of space to add to it. look up pill bottle survival kits, can fit about the same amount into the handle. Honestly, it held up better than i would expect to your testing. pair it with a good hatchet and I think you're set.
10:51 You can keep a bit extender, handle and bit inside the body so that when your POS knife gets loose you will have everything you need to tighten it back up!
They are fun little knives. I had one when I was a kid. My boys each have one. The boys' dont have the AMAZING plastic neon green camo sheath I had with mine though! 😂😂
Wranglestar, though you may never see this; this is the first one of your videos I've ever seen and I must say, well done. I have a real kit, so I'll never buy any variety of these knives, but you've done a great job. Thank you.
Serrated knives, with their scalloped, toothlike edge, are ideal for cutting through foods with a hard exterior and softer interior, such as a loaf of crusty bread. The principle behind a serrated knife is similar to that of a saw: The teeth of the blade catch and then rip as the knife smoothly slides through the food. That is what the Serrated part of a knife is used for!
It's alos good in combat so your knife doesn't get stuck it rips Tru the meat and widening the wound from the inside causing more blood lost more pain shock from the tearing up of the flesh making it easier to escape from a bear fight or killing your aggressor or thugs trying to hurt or kill you for your wallet or because he high on Meth and think your a demon or something like that
If you're looking for a cheap knife and you don't already know guys, you cant go wrong with a Mora Companion heavy duty it's a great knife and is very cheap
The things on the back in the shape of a "U" I believe is called jimping. It is commonly used in knives to allow the user to have more control over the knife being used by putting ones thumb on the back of the jimping. It's NOT used as a saw and or cutting device. It IS for your thumb or finger to be placed on it for better grip when whittling wood or cutting things. Like so wrangler star can see if.
It is for notching out sections of branches so that they can be fitted together and lashed into place without slipping . It's for building traps, shelter, ect...
...I'd think, for $7, it would be reasonable to do a little "TLC" to it before heading out on the trail. Maybe hone the edge and loctite all nuts/bolts/screws/etc? And swap out the dollar-store matches while you're at it!
until the bolt breaks. I'd honestly be replacing the nut, I've seen cheap ones strip all the threads out under stress, this was a car ball joint too. More strain than what a knife will see but probably the same nuts.
Jonathan Jamieson I had the knife for three weeks and the blade losened tightened it up and the same thing happened. it's not durable and the Sheath also broke on my fifth use
I think it is a pretty good deal for the price. You really don't need to split logs in a survival situation. If you got a fire going, they usually burn just fine without doing so. Another thing is, with a hollow hilt like that, it is easy to use as a spear head, screwed down on the top of a straight cut down and delimbed sapling. If you are in cougar or bear country, it would help put some distance between an a dangerous wild animal. You could also use it to spear fish as well. Also the compass seem to being pointing north in same direction each time you moved it around. You said you knew the direction of north was what was showing east. So knowing that, you could still use the compass!
My biggest problem with all your survival tests is you strike matches like a 10 year old. To prevent breaking and make bad matches light, you put your finger over the tip, strike, then lift your finger as it’s lighting
Call it what it is... Junk vs junk. Don't say your dissapointed your Honda Civic doesn't go as fast as a Porsche. I'm saying he should temper his expectations.
The shape of the knife is very good. If it were 25% longer, had a firm connection point blade-grip and matches that worked, it would be a very good survival knife, I think
My father always used the serrations on the back for scaling fish, always thought that’s what it was for. Also works well on fire rod, spares the blade edge!
I have rewatched this video a few times, I love it when he says "starting to hear a jingle-jangle there, what's that about" don't know why but I find that hilarious. I've watched some of your other videos also, I am not just obsessed with this one. good stuff. I collect knives so these videos fascinate me.
They taught my class that in science , I noticed the compass turning when he moved the knife around, curious to know if there was something affecting it on his person
The thing it's mounted in renders it useless. I've seen this in other survival compasses. If he can pry it out, he might have a working compass. This just comes down to poor design.
Actually there was something magnetic on that knife, plz watch the video again and if you pay attention to the compas you see it move when the knife gets close to it, once on the table top and once in the field... this might well be why the compass doesn't 'seem' to work as there is something magnetic near by... and no i am not kidding you to have you go watch again... ok... 2:37 ... there ya go... something is magnetic ... happens again in the field when he puts the knife on the ground next to the compass.
exactly, in a survival situation no matter how good it is I would never start bashing my knife with a piece of wood like a neanderthal and risk breaking the only real tool I have on me, it's just plain stupid and wood wedges are a thing so
@@ivanemilov522 The reason why these types of knives break is because they are hollow in the handle, if you had the blade fully passing through the handle the blade would be way mode stable and wouldn't break nearly as quickly.
The heavy serrations are for sawing through aircraft fuselage if you’ve been in a plane crash apparently. Either that or they’re from the previous bayonet design and are meant to cause a wound that won’t close.
Colt Perry all the time.... the part where he said”I don’t know how a compass would work in metal “ ... any no ferretic metal will do.. compasses we’re made from metal before
@@sylvie3528 It is a good knife. I have one and I did switched out some of the contents of the capsule with better versions. It's not a knife you want to split wood with. You'd want to carry a good hatchet for that.
Goes all out to abuse and break the knife, it doesn't break and he declares it junk. I mean really! You have to take account of the price mate, in a survival situation this knife would serve well for months and save your life if treated with a tiny bit of respect instead of treating it like an axe.
8:02 If this really happened and all you had was the broken match tip you could sort of bundle the tinder loosely, lay the striker down, then lay the sulfur match tips upon the striking pad, then squeeze the bundle a little and place it over the striking pad and match tips, and lightly rub the match tips across the striker while using the kindling as a makeshift wooden rod ( just like what the matchstick does) and hopefully the sulfur will ignite burning up enough into the fluffy kindling material. Problem solved.
And this is the way to go with less expensive knives. One piece construction eliminates any weak spots, get a halfway decent steel and you're golden. Wish you joy of it for many years to come.
as a knife maker i would know the notches on the top are call thumb jim-pings there so you can choke up on the blade to do fine detail work and get more control of the tool
Tony It's not a bayonet, it's made to resemble military knives, but it is not one. It's made of stainless steel, doesn't have a bayonet lug, and, most importantly, is not an M9 bayonet.
The moment I realized it was a hollow grip I wrote it off as junk. If I'm in a situation requiring everything in the grip, I want a full tang so the knife holds up. I break grip scales, I can carve new ones to at least keep be going. Having it hollow like that makes it easier to snap. Put the survival kit in a part of the sheath. The high ratings are because it's mall ninja bling.
I agree, it's better than no knife at all, but I really would not want to rely on that flimsy thing. If people just want something cool looking to impress their normie friends when cutting a few threads on their well-secured 300 person camping ground, they could do worse in that price range.
I've seen those, I've also seen knives that are wrapped in cord for the same reason. Personally, I'll take the cord grip knife. But either way, neither would be my main survival knife.
It's generally best to cut a deer up to distribute into multiple bags of reasonable weight. I bring a couple ropes and a couple knives with me for this reason. (One knife for skinning and the other for chopping through bone).
Pink It Outfitters sells them. I have their standard model (a couple of parts were uninstalled). They're a great survival tool! They let you know where the critters are and no one will be able to sneak up on you for the next 15 years. Of course you won't be able to sneak up on anyone else, either...
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Wranglerstar I would rather have a Mora Kniv and they are not much more than you paid for that junk.
Wranglerstar plz do cheapest katana on Amazon
Jono Harley I just got my mora and I absoutly love it if you can pick one up.
I've got the big brother to this from Amazon 9.00 good quality for the price.keep it in my BOB
Wranglerstar sharpen it to razor
No, the compass does work.
It points to what you want most.
And Will that be the *moneh boah?*
@@Elm-mcaine what's that?
@@Oakship166 the money boy
BADADABADADABADADADABADADA
LUMBAGO
"Ok, it's time to take the knife outside and see what it can do"
-next shot with him holding the knife and the dog. ._.
💀💀💀
Didnt notice that first time lol good eye.
knife made in china so....
Mobywan K lol
*dear god*
Now review the cheapest tent and go camping with the items in this series. It would surely be an interesting video.
I like this idea, What items should I include in the camping kit?
Cook stove, lanterns (battery or gas/oil), fire starting kits (not matches or lighters)
Other than that it could basically pertain to things that are small enough to pack in one or two backpacks. Bare assentials
Perhaps you try to put together an Amazon Camping/Survival Kit from all your cheapest items series. Nothing like shower curtain camping but a budget camping/survival set for someone to get their kid or themselves into the outdoors. Something similar to the Woodworking kit. I purchased the woodworking kit minus the plane, found a Stanley #4 for 55$ US. Would be nice to find some surprising items to put in my truck when I'm out woodsing it.
well if we're talking cheapest survival kit, throw in a emergency sleeping bag /survival shelter (there's a couple for under $10).
It's gotta be a trek and camp or it doesn't count.
The soothing sound of Jeff Goldblum criticizing a seven dollar knife on the Internet
LOL!
I was just going to remark on his voice. It really does sound like him.
1:01 stood out to me
like a passive aggressive bob ross
"Your scientists were so focused on putting survival tools inside the hilt of a knife that you didnt stop to ask if you SHOULD fill the hilt of a knife with survival tools"
the best survival knife is the one you have on you when you need it
Very true
True
Or its the best one you could have
No.
Just prepare yourself and bring something good.
This saying is dumb.
3:11 “I wonder what’s in this capsule!” **as white powder comes out of it*
Cocaine
@@Kael_750 or Cyanide...
Or opium
@@Kael_750 Why not all of them?
@@ErikaBracamonte *yes*
When you're stuck out in the woods, any knife is better than no knife.
D Toohey true
True but this is less better than most.
Like they say only a dumb person will go In the jungle with no knife I even have a survival tool card in my wallet all the time.
yeah agreed also for 7 dollars this knife is good
True but not the point of the video
I got this knife as a gift and I must have been living a good life as it worked well for what it is. The compass worked, I took out the tube and added my own mini-gear. I added Lock-Tite to the nut component just in case. The "saw" was used for scaling fish. It was pretty tasty after using the matches and some laundry lint to start a fire going. The knife was not made for batoning or throwing. Occasionally I'll change the gear inside. My latest was adding a micro-mini light.
I did something similar to my survival knife, it was a Defender or Maxam type model. The serrations were good so I didn't need to work on those. I added a washer and put locktite on the nut, put strike anywhere matches, longer fishing line added more hooks & weights. It was a neat little project. Did something along those lines with a Rambo knife as well.
Maybe the friction and vibration caused the nut inside to loosen? Maybe put some thread locker on the bolt and give it another chance. You have to touch up the high end knifes and axes, so why are you expecting a 7 dollar knife to be box ready?
good point
Hey guys, leave comments and likes so wranglerstar will give it a second chance!
Yeah, it really is a good point.
I don't think this is a knife that is perfect but I don't think it is quite fair, you know?
Gaming Simplicity I was thinking the same thing before he even tested it!
*knife passes every test*
"this knife is garbage"
wha-
The knife broke on the wood splitting test.
Myles Standish not really, it did break a little, but was still usable. Plus, the wood was very dry
Sheshmare Gaming Yeah but it WOULD break if he would have taken next log. And you don't want your survival knife to break on you do you. And in that state as it was after the wood test it's not very great. Only good thing about it is that you can store stuff inside it but there's other better knives that can do that as well.
You get what you pay for. you might as well buy something great or not buy it at all.
I'd like to see you make it through a winter night with only one piece of wood. A good survival knife should not take any damage what so ever from batoning such a small piece of wood, even if it is hard. It could be days before you make it home, the knife has to hold together and have good enough steel to hold an edge for a good while, otherwise it does not deserve to have survival in the name.
That said, it was 7 dollars so really you can't expect much from it.
You are absolutely right about this, batoning is not for every day use. However if you are in an emergency situation, lost in the woods or some kind of accident on a hunting trip or whatever your "Survival" knife is supposed to be rugged enough to hold up for some batoning so that you atleast can keep a fire going, otherwise it should not hold the name Survival knife.
6:11 First time I actually heard a dog go "woof"
Kevin what type of dog is it
abc 123 rat
abc 123 elephant
abc 123 unicorn
abc 123 whale
Cheapest and best survival knife on earth , you can unscrew the tap and throw it to your enemy to end him rightly!
Nice Skallagrim reference there, my dude
You know somethings wrong with you when the first thing that comes to mind is "oh no is he goona test it on the dog?"
Skall Illuminati confirmed.
Illuminati didn’t know anyone else watched skallagrim and this guy
Ah, another man of culture
I was really hope you were going to try and catch a fish with that fishing line. Now that would've been entertaining!
Cal Zielinko when he said that the sinkers would come in handy and then he didn't use them... 😢😢😢
Agreed!!!!! TEST ALL THE FEATURES!
it was probably out of season for this video, no need for a 150 dollar fine over nothing.
I bought knife for $450 on CS:Go and I can't even cut tomato
Berkan sharpen it?
You can't sharpen virtual knife dear :P
Who needs to cut tomatoes when you can cut Russians?
sell it on a trading website and buy a real knife with the money
try flipping it over and using the sharp edge
instead of matches, it should be equipped with a flint rock.
Kylejessica Pirko or a ferro rod
i had a survival knife just like this as a kid. I wrapped the entire handle in cord and found there was enough room for twice as many survival supplies inside. The coolest trick with these knives is you will notice the handguard has two holes, You can unscrew the bottom cap take out your survival kit stick a stick up the tube and use some of the cord to tie through the holes to retain the knife so you have a spear.
"Common Man's Survival Kit" series would be nice too. Rather than the cheapest, maybe a good $200+ Kit that is dependable. Thanks
Rick Maudlin the entire point of the series is to see how dependable these cheap products are. Obviously the $200 equipment is gonna work well
Pickle Nipple Gaming I understand that and like the series , however there are also a large portion of his viewers that wouldn't mind spending a reasonable amount of money for a Quality kit to use in true survival or emergency situation . At a $200 to $300 price limit that will still be very challenging to compile. This is still within reach of "The Common Man"
So far 53 viewers concur. PLUS... Cody could have another drawing to give it away at the end. Appreciate the dialogue. Rick
Rick Maudlin so youre saying basically he should do a high quality series as well as the cheap stuff series
Yes, exactly.
Rick Maudlin gotcha
Ok lets recap:
- its sharp but not razor sharp (so just sharpen it)
- hollow handle with working compass + waterproof capsul
- capsul fillings were very good
(Maybe add a water purifing tablet) matches can be exchanged for stromproof ones
- you can thighten the blade with the nut to stop movement
- you can (thanks to the hollow handle easily make a spear)
- it survived batoning (something barely used in real survival...more a youtube thingy)
- no a survival knife is not for knife throwing
So in conclusion for 7 dollars you get a knife that complete all the test (even though the tests were quite stupid)
Martin Erhard I see you really are crying about this tongue in cheek review. The fact that it has a hollow handle and rat-tail tang tells anyone who is serious about knives all they need to know about this abomination.
PartiZAn18
That it isnt a knife you should use for batoning? Yes thats what it tells me.
Hollow handle isnt a bad thing at all
My feelings exactly people assume a rat tail tang and Hollow handle automatically make a knife junk or disappointing however it can make them although easier to loosen much easier to repair also that Hollow handle is very useful it even comes with a waterproof capsule I would pay $7 just for that disregarding the compass matches Etc however it does also come with that even if you knew nothing about sharpening knives you still get a decent knife with a waterproof capsule and if you're not going to use the Halo handle it becomes much lighter if only I knew what type of Steel it is I would imagine 420 440 or nameless Steel very corrosion-resistant however can have trouble holding an edge but seeing as how it comes fairly Sharp and comes with a compass hopefully you won't spend much time needing to survive overall a solid 8 out of 10
@@diogeneslantern18 you really are full of yourself aren't you is absolutely ridiculous that a rat tail Tang can't be done properly a matter of fact when done properly I wager to say that it would be only slightly worse than a Full Tang Blade and in some regards better because it can be easily tightened the hollow handle can make it very light as well
@@CaptainKronk
Yes but this isnt even a rat tailed tang. Its a screw tang.
A regular rat tail tang like on the mora bushcraft isnt screwd onto the handle.
Durability was compromised for sure, but overall it seems to have passed the tests. I'd like to see you submerge it in water to see if it would flood the inside of the handle through the junction point with the blade. It would render the rubber loop useless because water would enter from the other side, however there would still be a capsule trying to keep water away from the matches and stuff.
Igor Freitas Accidentally washed mine in the washing machine... Matches ruined, and needles rusted.
and there was also a mini ziplock bag inside the capsule, if he didn't trow it away... i would have kept it, one more layer against moisture is always good.
Igor Freitas The idea of the O ring isn't to hold it under water, it's so if you dropped it into water, it would stay dry because the knife would float. Obviously during submersion it would probably leak.
@@dougjohnsonbushcraftandbjj5561 I don't think it floats... I could be wrong, but yeah even the stuff in the little black capsule got wet. Im pretty sure everything in the handle got wet. So just keep it out of water... Honestly though the best part about this knife is how you can make a spear out of it. Also the fact that you can store whatever you want in the handle. Like you could put all of those things in a waterproof ziplock baggie and then stuff it in... Or you can put other useful things in
I have a bigger one , POS, the handle is aluminum and the tang is non existent.........one use as a spear
7:52 looking through his tinder
hes got no taste... always swiping right
serrations are fish scalers!
Hugh G. Rection never knew that
They work flawlessly for scaling fish!
Hugh G. Rection they also work as grooves for ferrule rods
Hugh G. Rection i
They are serrations for w/e you need them for? scrape inner bark, seperate strands from inner barks, fish scalers, maybe even a scraper for your ferro rod... etc.
im pretty sure the needle and thread was to stich yourself up but hey you can soe a button also..
Teehee
iam awesome Rambo does that when he falls in a tree I think
the fish hook would be easier to stitch a wound (if u actually knew how)
It's a shame it doesn't come with Lifeboat matches - those things are much more dependable in survival situations.
add them.
You sure could. Pretty cheap for a pack: only a couple dollars.
Don't even have to buy boat matches, just dip strike-anywhere matches in some candle wax a time or two. For what you pay for a box of lifeboat matches you could have 200 waterproofed matches.
It's a 7 dollar knife
well if it did that'd increase the price by a few precious dollars
6:03, holding his dog with his knife at its neck: “lets take it out for a field test.”
Why didnt you tighten the nut?
To See if Its a permanent damage or if you just Need it To be tight
I have an older version, and it has the same problem. The nut will tighten just fine though, and it seems to handle the stress relatively well. No permanent damage
Even if the nut can be tightened, the only tool a survival knife should need to keep it in good order is a whetstone, not a socket wrench. It's a really bad design prone to failure. I have been around enough to respect Murphy's law. That $7 survival knife is just a invitation for him to work his twisted magic, when you can least afford to happen.
For me, the beast budget survival knife is the Mora companion. My friend suggested taping a berocca tube with mini survival kit on the holster.
better than no knife I guess
No better than a kitchen knife tbh
Using your only knife for splitting wood in survival situation is Darwin award worthy.
My thought exactly.
Depends on the knife
Thats one of the main things a survival knife needs to be able to
I have seen expensive knives with high quality steel chip out during batoning. Very good knives, with very good steel. The problem is that wood grows in such a way that its fibers and strands can create enormous amounts of torque on a blade, which is especially hard on the grind where the blade is at its thinnest. It is far more reasonable to gather small wood, or use your knife to make enough shavings to get a fire going, then add larger wood later. 👍
Not really. A $7 knife though yes.
But my barkriver Bravo will NEVER break from splitting wood.
by the gods that knife has a unscrewable pommel, now i can end my foes rightly in a more compact package! 10/10 would throw at ruffians in a duel
Skall´s men ready your shields!
END HIM RIGHTLY BABY
it's spreading
I searched for such a comment, and now I've found it. End him rightly my friend.
Hey a skall viewer.
Didn't realize you were so good at throwing knifes Cody. Nice! should do a video on that..
1:01 thats what she said
The Collector lol
8:48 and 9:10 thats what she said
9:15 and 9:20 . That's what she said.
The Collector 4:41 That’s also what she said
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
my old friend used to say something about baton methods.
"if you are ever in a situation where the only possible way to split wood is to baton your knife, then your situation is FUBAR and you should definitely not risk damaging your knife."
batoning can damage even high quality knives or cause injury especially if you try it with such a short blade. the chances are low, but its a chance that you really don't need to take. just use smaller pieces of wood until you can get bigger pieces going. takes like 5 minutes longer...
You cant do that in a environment that is wet and rainy constantly, we teach batoning at the school i work at, it has a time and a place. I have batoned wood every single week for the past 7 years with my newest knife, i havent damaged it, bent it or broke it in any way shape or form. If you don't know how to baton sure you can scew up your knife, or if you are doing it with a knife that doesn't have a full tang, or is made from cheap materials. You baton to get to the dry wood on the inside, and it usually needs to be a larger piece of wood around a beer can in diameter to make sure the wood is dry. Thats where you would get the dry wood from and dry tinder if you have no other source.
And actually batoning wood takes longer than just gather the required stages for fire.
And if at any point you are in a situatiin where you just have a knife to rely on you would be FUBAR
@circa blonk because batoning wood is a survival skill, utilizing the kit and tool the average person may still have on their person in a isolating incident, historically it is the one tool the majority of people have because it is attached to their body. Of course you would use a axe if you had one.
@circa blonk I have a axe but rarely use it while instructing, because my students don't have a axe. They need to see how to accomplish the tasks without specific tools and see how it can be done. I teach survival for the U.S. military and have done so for over 12 years.
That is definitely at most 6 pound fishing line. I have 12 pound line on my current pole and it's way thicker than that
SlepKep depends on the line. It could be flourocarbon which is much thinner than mono. Different brands also offer different diameters for specific weight classes.
Question: when testing sharpness, you seem to always push the blade through the piece of paper, then see if it will slice. Why? The way I've always done it, and seen it done, is to slice into an unsupported edge of the paper.
it's way easier to slice paper than to "push cut" through it.
Slicing paper isn't really a good test for sharpness
no the only thing you are challanging when pushing through is the point, its the edge the slice tests.
slicing it is a good test. definitely better test that pushing the tip in the middle of the paper and then slicing the rest. plus you can tell how sharp it is by how the paper reacts to the knife and how clean the cut is.
I bought the exact same knife from my friend for like five bucks and its like a foot longer, literally the exact same, knife compass and all its just a huge buck knife version. I hide my weed in the secret compartment in it.
Good thinking, because the cops would never notice a big old survival knife on your belt,
and would never think to unscrew the handle, because they've never seen Rambo.
More like George W. Kush amirite
same version I have
George W. Bush I thought of that when I was watching
George W. Bush what a legend
Sorry, but NO !
For 7$ this is a pretty good knife.
"So what do we learn ?"
We learn that you need to inform yourself about the product you order.
1. The size is clearly discribed and the knife can be ordered in 3 different sizes. You have the small one. Medium is the standard survival knife size you expected and large is a 41cm big knife.
2. It was clear that the handle is hollow and comes with stuff inside.
3. The matches came in a small plastic bag for a reason. You didn´t put it back in but directly into the plastic capsule so there was no protection from moisture.
4. A compass in a metal housing can work, because the housing is aluminum and not iron. Not every metal is magnetic.
One thing is true so: The compass doesn´t work. But besides that, for 7$ this knife is pretty good unless you believe a 7$ knife can do the job of an axe.
this is the thing you get your cousin as a gift and they stick it in a drawer for 30 years until it ends up in a landfill
for 7$ this is a good knife however his point was that you should invest in a more expensive knife as it will give you more options and durability rather than buying the same knife over and over again
and your number 4 isnt even relevant to your base claim because it literally didnt even work same with number 3
The serrations are meant to cut rope or vines, so yea in a sense, “sawing”
Return the compass to Captain Sparrow mate.
Daniel Minchev lol
Captain JACK Sparrow
My favorite comment ever
Read it in jack sparrows voice 😂😂
$7 real knife that has purpose vs $200 pixels on cs:go
Right :D
I sold my whole CS:GO inventory. It's important to not start caring about virtual items that provide no ingame benefit.
nice i did it too
not caring for virtual items with ingame benefit is the same. a Game is a Game once you are finished with it everything about the game loses its value
i prefer pixels
Im trying to sell mine but 7 week ban because i stopped playing it a year ago;(
"@ $7 you cannot get a survival knife ... @ amazon"
amazon carries morakniv 511 and 546 for about $10 usually, or $7 every now and then. made in sweden. good for shaving from the factory, will baton wood all day long, and the scandi grind is easy to sharpen without fancy tools or skills. true, the handle doesn't open, but if you can do without a compass that doesn't show north, you just cannot beat the mora as a basic bushcraft/survival knife. did i mention it is made in sweden?
Jonas Carlsson sssssson
I was thinking the same - this is child's play compared to mora.
Jonas Carlsson for real you can get a good mora for 20 bucks
Moras knives aren’t meant for survival though. They are more for bushcraft stuff, but yeah they are definitely a much better knife than this thing
5:59 JESUS I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA KILL THE DOG
I was hoping he would.
Cryostal EDGYyyy
:o
Lol me too
Cryostal crawling in my craaaaaaawl..
Well turns out Wranglerstar likes AC/DC covers
I was laughing so hard when I first heard it
who doesnt like Thunderstruck and who doesnt like the banjo
Minor Bob Everyone
Obviously he was making a play on Steven Seagal's name.
Tell it like it is, brother. Harbor Freight sells a knife that is virtually identical. I have never tested it to its limits. For average use, it's not bad for the price.
8:24 Was it the Kbar made of D2? I know Kbar did that for awhile. D2 is bad at handling shock force. Tends to chip pretty badly.
Zippo makes an axe that doubles as a saw, I would love to see a good stress test of that before I think about buying one. Keep the good videos coming!
Only useful if the weight really really matters.
I dont know many situation in which I wouldnt rater go for a good axe and a good saw as seperate tools
I have a machete that has 3 differing serrated edges (wood saw, bone saw, and not sure what the 3rd one is for)
But the shape of the blade and hilt of the handle in conjunction with the blade thickness makes it more ideal for survival than a knife or axe
The knife can split the wood without breaking
But don't hit the handle or it will break
Or just fricking tighten the screw !
Okay. And how are you supposed to do that
@@Mikey-ym6ok really easily , i have this knife and did all of these tests but more carefully , it didnt even loose because i didnt hit the handle , when it finally loosed up i took the capsule out , and tightened the nut inside the handle , boom thats how you do that
It was probably a straight out-od-box test without tightening, and with his methoed of batoning that mattered in this experiment to him.
@@Kuba38OwO looks like about a 4 inch deep socket....meh dont have one in my survival kit sorry
Harbor freight has a large one for about 8.00
I got one of these from harbor freight. no black inner thing, but same where it counts. personally i just have it by my bed, but the best part of this is that there is plenty of space to add to it. look up pill bottle survival kits, can fit about the same amount into the handle. Honestly, it held up better than i would expect to your testing. pair it with a good hatchet and I think you're set.
Wranglerstar: “You can’t get a survival knife
for $7.”
Me:
*laughs in Mora*
Hahahaha I just replied to another comment saying the same :')
Get a mora robust,most durable knife for cheap on the market. And it sharpens easily
Ah yes a doom fan!
The bigger version is available at Harbor freight for around $12.
Your voice in this video really reminds me of Jeff Goldblum! 😂👍🏼
10:51 You can keep a bit extender, handle and bit inside the body so that when your POS knife gets loose you will have everything you need to tighten it back up!
This series is great
They are fun little knives. I had one when I was a kid. My boys each have one. The boys' dont have the AMAZING plastic neon green camo sheath I had with mine though! 😂😂
You only get a Cadillac if you pay Cadillac prices. This was more like a Yuego!
Ratdog 305 this isnt a Cadillac its a knife
Ratdog 305 So poor people are never gonna have anything cool.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious. it was a metaphor
not really. many things with a high wow factor does not cost a lot.
Wranglestar, though you may never see this; this is the first one of your videos I've ever seen and I must say, well done. I have a real kit, so I'll never buy any variety of these knives, but you've done a great job. Thank you.
Serrated knives, with their scalloped, toothlike edge, are ideal for cutting through foods with a hard exterior and softer interior, such as a loaf of crusty bread. The principle behind a serrated knife is similar to that of a saw: The teeth of the blade catch and then rip as the knife smoothly slides through the food.
That is what the Serrated part of a knife is used for!
It's alos good in combat so your knife doesn't get stuck it rips Tru the meat and widening the wound from the inside causing more blood lost more pain shock from the tearing up of the flesh making it easier to escape from a bear fight or killing your aggressor or thugs trying to hurt or kill you for your wallet or because he high on Meth and think your a demon or something like that
If you're looking for a cheap knife and you don't already know guys, you cant go wrong with a Mora Companion heavy duty it's a great knife and is very cheap
Bush craft Jon link pls
also want a link
6:03 why did you bring your dog?
Casper Nordén because he can
Lopez 4 Life englis much
he needed something to sacrifice
Casper Nordén Cos his doggo is a good boy
Casper Nordén when a bear or something dangerous is near by the dog barks and he can run or kill the thing that’s trying to kill him
Excellent videos. They are fun to watch. Thank you
The things on the back in the shape of a "U" I believe is called jimping. It is commonly used in knives to allow the user to have more control over the knife being used by putting ones thumb on the back of the jimping. It's NOT used as a saw and or cutting device. It IS for your thumb or finger to be placed on it for better grip when whittling wood or cutting things. Like so wrangler star can see if.
It's for stabing someone. When you pull your knife out it rips the wound open and does more damage.
It is for notching out sections of branches so that they can be fitted together and lashed into place without slipping . It's for building traps, shelter, ect...
You can tighten the blade. If you look through the bottom of the handle you'll see a nut. If you tighten it, it will fix the blade.
Yeah but in a survival situation or something, you most likely wouldn't have any tool that can tighten the nut with you.
...I'd think, for $7, it would be reasonable to do a little "TLC" to it before heading out on the trail. Maybe hone the edge and loctite all nuts/bolts/screws/etc? And swap out the dollar-store matches while you're at it!
Put some superglue on the threads of the nut and it will be pretty much indestructible.
until the bolt breaks. I'd honestly be replacing the nut, I've seen cheap ones strip all the threads out under stress, this was a car ball joint too. More strain than what a knife will see but probably the same nuts.
Jonathan Jamieson I had the knife for three weeks and the blade losened tightened it up and the same thing happened. it's not durable and the Sheath also broke on my fifth use
swedish mora kniv (mora knife) is better...
SkrotJörgen mora is good
SkrotJörgen mora är bra kniv
i have a mora robust and i loooove it
Yeah, but those knives range from 40 to 150 US dollars. This knife was $7
www.amazon.com/Morakniv-Companion-Outdoor-Military-4-1-Inch/dp/B004TNWD40
Try $10 to $20 bud
I think it is a pretty good deal for the price. You really don't need to split logs in a survival situation. If you got a fire going, they usually burn just fine without doing so. Another thing is, with a hollow hilt like that, it is easy to use as a spear head, screwed down on the top of a straight cut down and delimbed sapling. If you are in cougar or bear country, it would help put some distance between an a dangerous wild animal. You could also use it to spear fish as well. Also the compass seem to being pointing north in same direction each time you moved it around. You said you knew the direction of north was what was showing east. So knowing that, you could still use the compass!
My biggest problem with all your survival tests is you strike matches like a 10 year old. To prevent breaking and make bad matches light, you put your finger over the tip, strike, then lift your finger as it’s lighting
I'm not sure why you buy the cheapest products on Amazon, beat the garbage out of it and then complain that it doesn't meet your standards.
There something know as entertainment
Call it what it is... Junk vs junk. Don't say your dissapointed your Honda Civic doesn't go as fast as a Porsche. I'm saying he should temper his expectations.
if your compass is close to metal than it magnetizes that and it won't have a accurate direction
You get what you pay for ! Prayers to you and yours Cody!!!!
is he testing the knife IN the Amazon or did he find the knife ON Amazon
I have a gigantic version of that same knife the blade is the size of the knife you bought. I got mine at harbor freight for $10.
Nope these are lot different
The shape of the knife is very good. If it were 25% longer, had a firm connection point blade-grip and matches that worked, it would be a very good survival knife, I think
It will keel
Just buy a mora,it's not as tacticool looking but it will work for cheap
My father always used the serrations on the back for scaling fish, always thought that’s what it was for. Also works well on fire rod, spares the blade edge!
"If I reach down in the pants, there's always some sort of... organic cocaine in here, let's see if i lights"
Lol I love the “thunder” at the beginning 😂
its a $8 and you expect to use it as an axe with no troubles
Jordan Jordanov that's what survival knives are meant for
The Cubist No, that's what an axe is for.
Wize Bread you carry a axe everywhere you go?
You carry a knife everywhere you go?
You can get 5€ constraction work knife and chop woods with ease..
I’ve watched this video 3-4 times in the last few years. Why am I so entertained?
I bought a knife almost the exact same as that one but bigger for 6$ at harbor freight
6:00 time to do our field test; today we will be skinning a dog
Who else said “that’s what she said” like 5000 times when he was splitting the wood?
Omg i was laughing so hard during that scene
I have rewatched this video a few times, I love it when he says "starting to hear a jingle-jangle there, what's that about" don't know why but I find that hilarious. I've watched some of your other videos also, I am not just obsessed with this one. good stuff. I collect knives so these videos fascinate me.
I have 2 of these knifes. They are actually decent.
You won't need that broken compass if you know how to use those sewing needles in a pool of water.
They taught my class that in science , I noticed the compass turning when he moved the knife around, curious to know if there was something affecting it on his person
The thing it's mounted in renders it useless. I've seen this in other survival compasses. If he can pry it out, he might have a working compass. This just comes down to poor design.
the plug the compass is mounted in is most likely aluminium, which isn't magnetic
lasse, eddy currents.
Actually there was something magnetic on that knife, plz watch the video again and if you pay attention to the compas you see it move when the knife gets close to it, once on the table top and once in the field... this might well be why the compass doesn't 'seem' to work as there is something magnetic near by... and no i am not kidding you to have you go watch again... ok... 2:37 ... there ya go... something is magnetic ... happens again in the field when he puts the knife on the ground next to the compass.
"What have we learned?" It's not an axe... who knew?
exactly, in a survival situation no matter how good it is I would never start bashing my knife with a piece of wood like a neanderthal and risk breaking the only real tool I have on me, it's just plain stupid and wood wedges are a thing so
@@ivanemilov522 The reason why these types of knives break is because they are hollow in the handle, if you had the blade fully passing through the handle the blade would be way mode stable and wouldn't break nearly as quickly.
The heavy serrations are for sawing through aircraft fuselage if you’ve been in a plane crash apparently.
Either that or they’re from the previous bayonet design and are meant to cause a wound that won’t close.
love the dog, the knife not so much.
I love the knife, the dog not so much.
I love you , neither the knife nor the dog so much.
The dog was garbage. The knife functioned well
Does anyone else get the feeling that some times he doesn't know what he's talking about but acts like he does
Colt Perry all the time.... the part where he said”I don’t know how a compass would work in metal “ ... any no ferretic metal will do.. compasses we’re made from metal before
he thinks the knife is worse than it actually is
@@Fried_11901 Then why do you watch his videos?
Lol
@@sylvie3528 It is a good knife. I have one and I did switched out some of the contents of the capsule with better versions. It's not a knife you want to split wood with. You'd want to carry a good hatchet for that.
Goes all out to abuse and break the knife, it doesn't break and he declares it junk. I mean really! You have to take account of the price mate, in a survival situation this knife would serve well for months and save your life if treated with a tiny bit of respect instead of treating it like an axe.
8:02 If this really happened and all you had was the broken match tip you could sort of bundle the tinder loosely, lay the striker down, then lay the sulfur match tips upon the striking pad, then squeeze the bundle a little and place it over the striking pad and match tips, and lightly rub the match tips across the striker while using the kindling as a makeshift wooden rod ( just like what the matchstick does) and hopefully the sulfur will ignite burning up enough into the fluffy kindling material. Problem solved.
love these review. cause I'm cheap..
And this is the way to go with less expensive knives. One piece construction eliminates any weak spots, get a halfway decent steel and you're golden. Wish you joy of it for many years to come.
How did you find my CSGO skin?
did really well considering the price point I thought
Daniel Warden yeah that what i thought it did good for 7$
as a knife maker i would know the notches on the top are call thumb jim-pings there so you can choke up on the blade to do fine detail work and get more control of the tool
How is an ★M9 | Bayonet
More Cheaper Thank Gut Knife?
M9 Bayonet Junior
Tony It's not a bayonet, it's made to resemble military knives, but it is not one. It's made of stainless steel, doesn't have a bayonet lug, and, most importantly, is not an M9 bayonet.
The moment I realized it was a hollow grip I wrote it off as junk. If I'm in a situation requiring everything in the grip, I want a full tang so the knife holds up. I break grip scales, I can carve new ones to at least keep be going. Having it hollow like that makes it easier to snap. Put the survival kit in a part of the sheath. The high ratings are because it's mall ninja bling.
I agree, it's better than no knife at all, but I really would not want to rely on that flimsy thing. If people just want something cool looking to impress their normie friends when cutting a few threads on their well-secured 300 person camping ground, they could do worse in that price range.
One of the reasons, why some survival knives has hollow handle, is because you can put it on a stick and use it as a spear.
I've seen those, I've also seen knives that are wrapped in cord for the same reason. Personally, I'll take the cord grip knife. But either way, neither would be my main survival knife.
the thing you saw with is used for stabbing and grinding the inside of a hum"... animal
Lyrelle Charles i need to know who told you that
Lyrelle Charles ha zee what yuu did thier pal
I'd kill myself if I had to saw through bone every time I hunt. Just get a cleaver or a hatchet and chop straight through it.
It's generally best to cut a deer up to distribute into multiple bags of reasonable weight. I bring a couple ropes and a couple knives with me for this reason. (One knife for skinning and the other for chopping through bone).
I have this knife, works well I use it to skin small game and other tasks in the outdoors. Would recommend for the price
if you was in a survival situation and found this knife you would like the knife then
That looks like the kinda knife a 10 yr old grandson of Rambo would carry
where can i buy a survival Chihuahua?
Pink It Outfitters sells them. I have their standard model (a couple of parts were uninstalled). They're a great survival tool! They let you know where the critters are and no one will be able to sneak up on you for the next 15 years. Of course you won't be able to sneak up on anyone else, either...