Raw Footage of Siemens Charger SC-44 4601 Cummins QSK95 Testing @ The TTCI in Pueblo, CO (125 MPH)
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EDIT 7: As of April 2017, the first 6 Caltrans locos have been delivered to Oakland. IDTX 4611 is now in Chicago. 9 locomotives have been conditionally accepted by IDOT after having completed their burn-in testing at Pueblo.
EDIT 6: As of early March 2017, the first two WASDOT locomotives have been complete and are undergoing burn-in testing @ Pueblo before being sent to Washington State for introduction on Cascades services.
EDIT 5: As of late February 2017, IDTX 4611 is undergoing test runs on WSDOT Cascades territory; here is the best clip of the locomotive testing so far: • NEW Siemens SC-44 Char...
EDIT 4: As of 12/8/16, the first AAF Brightline train has departed the Siemens plant enroute to Florida: • Brightline Departs Sac...
EDIT 3: As of 12/2/16, 4611 is on WSDOT property for Cascade service testing (or at least testing in that territory). The status of 4603 is unknown at this time.
EDIT 2: As of 11/14/16, the following is known: 4601-4602 are back @ the Siemens Plant, 4604 remains on MARC property. 4603 is to head north to Washington State for testing along the Cascades route. All remaining locomotives up to and including 4610 to head to Pueblo, CO for 500 mile burn-in testing before being shipped to Chicago for acceptance and entry into service on Chicago based regional routes. Additionally, initial roster numbers revealed; IDOT 4601-4632, Caltrans 2101-2120, WSDOT 1400-1407.
EDIT 1: As of 8/10/16, 4601 & 4602 have concluded testing @ TTCI; 4604 has arrived on the NEC for late night testing in real-world conditions later this month.
EDIT 2: As of 9/7/16, 4604 is in Philadelphia for testing on the Northeast Corridor within the next week.
Before you ask, ALL info on the Charger can be found compiled here: en.wikipedia.or...
As I did with the ACS-64 when that tested at the TTCI, here's new footage of the Siemens Charger (SC-44) locomotives (4601) testing at 125 miles per hour out in Pueblo Colorado with MARC bilevel cars. This is the first time we get to hear what the new Cummins QSK95 high speed diesel sounds like. I get the impression that it makes the Charger sound like an oversized Dodge Ram lmao. Enjoy the action, and stay tuned for delivery updates that I will post in this description as I did on the ACS-64 b-roll video.
Credits to Amtrak, IDOT, and Siemens.
It must be a great feeling to be a Siemens employee and see your handiwork successfully barrel down a track at 125MPH.
I mean they see that and more in europe every day but yeah it’s kinda cool I guess
Surprisingly, I like the design of these things.
MBTARailfan me to
Same!
is this MBTA from Roblox
@@chsrails And they are in service all over the US - right now. (So far, only SEPTA has none.) Even AMTRAK itself has several in service - not just commuter rail. (MARC has several itself.) As you can see, they are anything BUT slow.
I don’t like the design!
I was right, it really is incredible seeing this thing at full speed. I also really love the fact that it has strobe lights on the roof. I never thought those would make a comeback on new locomotives. The LED screen just below the front window is cool, too.
To all you 8-11 year old "railfans" who shouldn't be posting stuff on TH-cam yet and who like to comment how awful the chargers are and the P42DC's are better
Remember that in the early 1990's, every railbuff and their mother hated the P42DC's and prefered the F40PH's and P30CH's over them for the same reasons you hate the Chargers (Ugly, claiming it would jump the rails any given moment, shouldn't be hauling passengers). They also said the same thing about the F40PH's, FP45's and P30CH's back when they first came on the rails in the 60's and 70's and said how prettier the F and E units were
This is a generational gripe people have when they can't accept change in the transportation industry.
Maybe because I love model trains by LGB and PIKO who made models of various German locomotives similar to the Siemens Chargers and Vectors as to why I like these.
Besides it's not about just looks of a locomotive that mean it's a success, it's how it performs and runs that defines success.
Let these locomotives do their stuff once they enter service and decide for yourselves on if you like them or not.
Not to mention they aren't replacing the P42DC's, a seperate locomotive is likely to replace those on long distance services as the Chargers aren't suited for long distance travel
Chill down y'all
People are allowed to have their own opinions on the Charger- maybe YOU need to chill down. It's not just a generational gripe, you even said you like it because its similar to European trains. For those of us who prefer the typical "American train"- THIS is absolutely not it- and therefore a VALID reason to prefer the F59/P42s. It's also putting you in an absolutely terrible spot to assume everyone who disagrees with you is "8-11 years old," when that simply isn't the case. Not everyone has to like the Charger- which was only implemented because the federal government is overzealous with their regulations. This would not exist if the EPA wasn't corrupt and full of shit.
@@eeyore.official The EMD F125 is what you'd consider a modern "American" locomotive, yet it looks and sounds like a European locomotive.
@@trainzguy2472 He didn't mention the f125
I like the charger but wish the p42 would stick around a little longer so I can actually see one
I also heard that Railfans didn't like the diesels that were replacing steam engines in the 50s. So this whole,"the new train is ugly I like the old train" stuff is not new.
2:02 "Just smile and wave boys! Smile and wave." :D
This is a beauty. From the Cummins to the ALP45 style design, its awesome. Wouldn't be mad if NJT purchased one of these.
How many of you remember the P-42? How many versions of it got built - where the ONLY difference was the engine? The Charger is basically the P-42 all over agaijn.
@@PGHammer21AI do
Ah, yes. The Siemens, model named Cummins, in some Raw footage. Jokes aside, cool train.
oh my- 😳
I like the way it looks. However will take a while to get used to the sound of fast running diesel engines, same as with the F125. Then I am wondering why they are ordering 125 mph locomotives, when most tracks in the country still are authorized for 79 mph only. Even on the Lincoln service top speed is only 110 mph. But a fine locomotive for sure.
The San Joaquin will soon be rerouted onto a brand new 200mph high speed line between Fresno and Bakersfield which has been under construction for a couple years already (search "California High Speed Rail update" in TH-cam), but the line will not be electrified for many years in the future since for now it's just an isolated segment. In the meantime Amtrak will be running as fast as they can with diesel locomotives, which is where this new 125mph beast comes in.
Didn't know that. Thanks!
I don't know the rules in America but here in Britain, the maximum speed with trackside signalling is 125 mph.
To go faster as a routine needs in-cab signalling. Also needs overhead electrification (In our case 25kv AC).
At the moment we only have HS1 which comes from the Channel Tunnel to ST Pancras Station in London.
Maximum speed is 186 mph I think.
reaperexpress Amtrak is planning to upgrade speeds on the Surfliner. ETC
@@CaliRail Lets just raise that 79mph limit to at least 105mph and run trains day and night!
It's not everyday that we see a diesel loco' capable of reaching the ~~200 km/h...
Its an diesel electric loco.
@@klyde8460 what, the Charger’s a diesel loco
@@physetermacrocephalus9986 its a hybrid loco
@@austinandthatgreen2310 No, it's a diesel.
@@austinandthatgreen2310 I don't think you know what diesel electric means
Those look fresh! It'll be so nice seeing these instead of P42DCs.
Man I hope Amtrak uses this soon. I also hope it will be used for most lines Amtrak uses, and will pull, for example, the Capitol Limited, Lakeshore Limited, California Zephyr, and more!
Well, I am happy to say that Amtrak uses these locomotives for California, Midwest and Cascades service, and Amtrak is ordering 125 ALC-42 variants of these chargers for long distance services like the Zephyr. 2 or 3 of these long distance chargers are currently in service with more expected in the future, and a dual mode variant called the ALC-42E will also be built with Amtrak's order of new corridor rolling stock to replace the Amfleet 1s and the Talgo 6 sets that were retired from the Cascades service. The ALC-42E locomotives will be used in NEC service to avoid time consuming locomotive swaps. So, you bet they're gonna use these Chargers, a LOT! Sure, it sucks that the F59PHI was retired, and the Genesis will also be going adios, but I think it's for the best for Amtrak, the Genesis are getting hard to maintain, and just aren't as fuel efficient and can spew out a lot of emissions unlike the Chargers. But, hopefully one or more will be preserved.
Rather they keep the P42DCs
This will make great use for any Amtrak branch, especially the northeast corridor.
This is so beautiful. The cab is so clean. Maybe one day I'll drive
Our local commuter rail line just got two of these -- very nice, and cleaner and more efficient than their 45-year-old predecessors.
Boy these will look slick once Amtrak gets some of these in long-distance service. Currently they have the option of getting 150 set up for such service. I was just a kid when the original Genesis P40 came out, and I haven't been this excited since!
These won't be used in long-distance routs, so I've heard.
@@Neville60001 The ALC-42 will be
I confused these ever so slightly for the EMD F125, but this is a gorgeous locomotive.
Surprisingly enough, the Coaster and Cascades liveries look pretty good on these Chargers!
Wrong Coaster livery.
Great video of the Siemens Charger doing a test run in Colorado!!
Launched, designed, and developed in Germany by Siemens AG.
Selected, purchased, and specified in the USA by Amtrak and state DOT.
Assembled and rolled out in Sacramento, California with domestic and foreign parts.
Fantastic locomotive! Very Beautiful.
Cannot wait to see these in service.
Now I like these. Would be tuff to see the old P42s go but hey. I could live with these
Our future locomotives!
We just need to switch to biodiesel and phase out petro diesel!
@@rockyracoon3233 bro I have an even better option just add catenary an even better idea and it only costs 1,5 million per mile
It is using MARC cars because the Maryland commuter railway is one of the launch customers of the Charger locomotive. Can't wait till Amtrak California gets these for Pacific Surfliner and Capital Corridor services
It's pretty cool you got to go down there and film it! It looks good with MARC bilevel coaches!
Are these really replacing the P42DC, the second most iconic Amtrak locomotive after the F40PH?
No the p40's are being used for long distance trains and some pacific surfliners
@@savagedoritos6587 The Chargers will replace the P42's on long distance in a couple of years.
@@nightflyer3242 no the SC-44 is for corridor trains and the ALC-42 will first supplement the pashed out P42DC's and then if amtrak like the ALC-42 they have enough options to replace the entrie fleet of them
Amtrak has confirmed they ordered 75 more Siemens Chargers, and they ARE going to be used on long distance routes, replacing P42DCs
Amtrak originally had a fleet of almost 200 P42DC long-distance locomotives. Why only bother to order 75 Charger Locomotives?
Because there is a thing called option orders that follow the base order.
Beautiful locomotive. Absolutely gorgeous.
Dunno why I'm saying this, but the Siemens Charger is basically a diesel powered version of the ACS-64.
Yea
Same thing with the ALP-45. It's basically a diesel electric version of the ALP-46.
Uh huh
No new news. They are both based on the same model: SIEMENS VECTRON.
What's the concept behind placing 2 headlights behind the windshield and 2 headlights outside the windshield?
From what I have heard these units are going to be used on the interstate runs or the shorter ones. Such as LA to San Diego, Chicago to St Louis.
This is the spitting image of the ACS-64, but a diesel version. I really don't want these replacing all of the GE Genesis locos. I have to admit they are cool though.
"This is the spitting image of the ACS-64"
No wonder. They are sisters. Same base model: SIEMENS VECTRON.
@@parallelrails Based on the Vectron, anyway.
Can't wait till Brightline gets these engines!
Absolute amazing
Hopefully the train can go higher speeds than the California Zephyr, Empire Builder and the SW Chief if they operate these services. I saw one on a Carl Sandburg on the Galesburg railcam today on #381, with Superliners which is rare
You're right Jamari, Gensis locos are awesome!
It will be used in marc's commuter trains on November and also there is gonna be Amtrak sc44 running in the northeast corridor
And D.J Mattson nothing in the Wikipedia article Amtrak rolling stock said," Will be replaced by Siemens charger this year to that year".
it's almost like the ACS-64, like the simularites of NJT's ALP-46 to ALP-45 DP, and MNCR's M7s and M8s
I love the Siemens locomotives
Alright.......I'm gonna stick my neck out and ask what might sound like an "asinine" question: Is there a future plan to implement the SC-44s throughout the entire Amtrak rail network with the intent bringing passenger rail travel throughout the country (not just the NEC) closer to the high speed rail (HSP) experience?
Siemes should have equipped them all with the aero front end like they did for Brightline. It looks like the locomotive was designed to always have it and in the end, they made a vertical cut off of the clay model...
i like how you said "they should have" even though you should think for a moment.
adding those aero front ends would cost time, recourses, and most importantly, money.
It actually sounds a lot like the P42 in Train Simulator.
Interesting how they sound very similar to a Semi. I don't like that. I like the hum of a 7FDL.
They have a Cummins.
Will it run 125mph in passenger service?
Yes, Brightline will have it run at 125 mph when the Orlando extension opens. Amtrak California's San Joaquin will run on CAHSR tracks at that speed before the HSR trainsets are delivered.
the drawings of this locomotive showed a headlight at the top of the unit, like the early Zephyr....it makes it look a lot better..
I’ve only seen one of these, I saw it in Kansas City, MO.
Chargers were ordered for use in six states including Illinois, California, Michigan, Washington, Maryland and Missouri.
And Florida
These will be replacing F40PHM-2C and F59PHI locomotives on the NCTD coaster.
love the Cummings, there greener and powerful, I wish my international truck at work has a Cummings instead of the crappy maxforce
what is it going to replace
the remaining p40s and eventually the p42s.
The Ge P42
Since the IDOT Charger is in Chicago Did it Test on the Lincoln Service line Or The Chicago-Quincy Line?
The cab ist bike from a locomotive from Germany
These are going to be interesting to see tearing up the tracks across the country.
Tearing up tracks as they derail heyo
There goes,my job working at emd when these locomotives has Cummings engines, instead of EMD 710 motor in it!
I like it. is this like a diesel version of the acs64 or somthing?
Yes. For long haul or where there are not overhead lines.
@@blackkitty1774 SC-44 is for corridor trains and intercity trains and the ALC-42 is for long distance
Nice!!! I like that it has a consist of MARC cars!
what sad is if these are to replace the Genesis series we will be saying goodbye to the GE chug we all no and love i hope thats not the case because that loco is mega quiet its a diesel ACS-64
I think it's replacing the Genesis on routes like the Blue Water, Missouri River Runner, and the likes of that saving the Genesis for the long distance routes. At first we'll see the Charger on the shorter almost commuter like routes before we see them on the long distance.
We need Alcos back
We need good EMD back before they turned to junk
we need alco but alco only makes trains for other countries now
Was pretty sure ALCO got bought by GE, once GE took over that loco division. GE wouldn't have the locomotive technology and tools for mainline diesel locomotives if it weren't for ALCO.
Who’s here after the Amtrak ALC-42s got tested a few weeks ago
1:59 rare 125mph!
Unfortunately, no orders for Amtrak yet. Initially, these go to Illinois / Michigan DOT, Washington DOT, Caltrans and MARC.
someone needs to go back to school...Durham got it 100% correct.
Why are MARC coaches in Colorado?
No amount of cab ugliness could subdue my excitement at a new 125mph diesel locomotive for North America! I wonder if we'll get any in Canada, after all we did end up with a bunch of its predecessors the P42DC and the F40PH. Then again, we've had 125mph diesels since the 1970s (TurboTrain and LRC), but still none of our tracks allow more than 100 mph.
VIA has announced that they will purchase up to 32 SC-44 Trainsets (Coaches included) for service on the Windsor-Quebec City Route.
Here in the US, 79mph is the limit.:(
The idiots who race to beat the train at the crossings will have to get faster. A question is the tracks able to allow running at full speed all the time or just part of the time. The new Hitachi IEP train that goes in service in UK later this year have top speed of 140 mph but will only do 125 until all the tracks have been upgraded
Marc trains in Colorado? Oh boy.
1:53 Sounds Like ACS-64
The inside of the cab look like the acs-64
Look at the why for ALC Charger - not everybody would merely electrify their grid - the Midwest has large portions of the grid that are not.
really nice sounding cummins motor
I heard that someone is thinking of the next generation of passenger engines built by General Electric that if Amtrak purchases some could replace the P42s and the 15 remaining P40s.
The p42's arent garbage and they arent even showing their age yet.
Haha umm yes they are Darling. They are Mid 1990's technology.
@@TrainmanBrando yep but they are working like beasts
@@cadespencer6320 average passenger locomotive lasts around 20 years , new engines are less of a maintenance hog and improved performance
They guzzle fuel like crazy. And yes, fuel consumption is a factor these days when you're in the transportation business.
Are they going to build passenger cars with these units like sets?
Sounds almost like the ACS-64. The controls even look like the same ones on the ACS-64.
No disrespect but mind blown
Both are Siemens locos, so ...
Nice videos! New subscriber :)
I dont give a fuck if its ugly, if it works better than the last, im all for it
I imagine they were also testing new MARC bilevels with this locomotive?
Where will this engine be hailed at in where of operator....??????
those are freaking quiet if the audio is right
Damn, that thing is SILENT.
I here the Surfliners here in So Cal will be getting these. Gosh it's so ugly!!!! The F59s look so sleek and nice with the surfliner paint job.
SC-44 was bought for the Capital Corridor and San Joaquin routes by CALTRANS. F59PHIs remain on Surfliner for the foreseeable future (UPDATE, Pacific Surfliner does indeed have SC-44s too, 2109-2122, the F59PHIs are now at Metra in Chicago)
Kevin Meno Lmao no, surf liners are getting 16 SC-44s for surfliner service.
Fan Railer as For IDOT Chargers When do they start testing on the Lincoln Service Line? and I know Marc would be starting delivery like in September 2017
IDOT chargers should be in service VERY soon (like in a few months-soon). Yes, MARC will receive their Chargers last; those will go into service likely around this time next year (2018).
Does the IDOT Chargers would Also Run on the Carl sandburg/illinois zephyr as well as the other train line from michigan to chicago
Hummmm, I'm not sure I like to look of these...
And that explains the MARC cars tacked to the back the California Zephyr the other day.
Makes me wonder why they'd be testing with maryland coaches all the way in CO? You'd think they could borrow some from a lot closer
MARC's passenger cars are rated for 125 MPH. I don't think any other commuter rail equipment in this country is certified for that speed and that's the goal they're trying to achieve in CO.
That's extremely interesting. I've heard that MARC has the continent's fastest commuter rail before, but I figured it was the higher track quality or because there were longer distances between stops. I didn't know the actual rolling stock was higher speed
The MARC Penn Line primarily is suppose to be the fastest regional commuter [non- Amtrak] service in the country and the distance between stops are pretty vast in distance. When it comes to sharing the same tracks with Acela Express, these MARC cars can't lag behind to keep-up a pretty tight interval between the various services along the NEC. Plus it's stretches over a long distance (practically the length of the state) while keeping a 90+ minute schedule cycle.
I love the fact that it can do 125mph but they so damn ugly I can't help it but it we need better high speed and technology in this country for railroading
people think everything new is ugly. When I was a kid an elderly gentleman who was a conductor on the New Haven RR said he thought F units were hideous when they started using them instead of steam. Now they are considered classics.
@@Salmagundiii I don't think SD70ACes or ES44ACs were ever considered ugly
It's gonna be tested in the northeast corridor
lol you're about a year late.
aye i just noticed that not ONE of the new viewliner cars ( besides baggage ) are in service !
The sleepers are in service too. Only the diners are left to put out there.
Is going to be Amtrak?
MARC bought some Chargers, but I think those will just be the Demo units.
Amtrak bought 32 for work in a corridor configuration (smaller fuel tank) for work in states like Michigan, Illinois, Washington, and Missouri. They have an option for an additional 75 more in this configuration with 150 locomotives built for long distance service (larger fuel tank) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_Charger
When will the p42s be replaced
When I railfan at lake Cook road station the only locomotives I see are these and f40ph NPCUs
I'm not sure what I think about the looks of the Charger...the nose is strange, but the rest is nice. I do remember that people were aghast at the appearance of the Genesis locomotives when they first appeared, but people have warmed up to them over the years.
Siemens must be quite proud for charging 6 million a peice.
I see what you did there
+Cape Main Rail Photography what?
+Amtrak America "charging 6 million a piece" and the locos are called "Chargers". I think that's what he ment.
Bahnspotter you got it
What's with the LED board in the nose? Will it be retained for service?
Yes, it's a destination screen.
Hey Marc coaches
So this is about 200 km / h. On the diesel engine. Cool!
It was the first Amtrak train I ever rode
What is the "X" shaped grid work for on the side of the engine?
That is the area where the cooling towers are for the diesel engine. In other words, the air intake for the radiators.They are huge and use two hydraulic fans on top of the middle part of the loco.
I wonder if metro North is planning to order a dual mode version of these locomotives
If only
I don't see that since they already have the P32DC-AM
And Amtrak already has the P42DC. What's your point exactly?
The P32DC-AM is a dual mode locomotive that uses both DC and AC currents. The P42DC uses only DC currents. It is not needed for Metro North to order another dual mode locomotive, as it will seem redundant...
There's no such thing as the P32DC-AM. Just saying.
The P32AC-DM, on the other hand, does exist and is of similar age to the P42DC which the Chargers are to succeed in Amtrak's fleet. So why does it make sense for Amtrak to get the Chargers to replace their aging P42DC fleet, but not for Metro-North to do likewise for their P32AC-DMs?
I wonder if it'll be in TS2017
Hmm. I see several important design flaws. The cab window is swing in, so it would obstruct some panels. Also if the locomotive hit a truck and the window was blown in, this could cause injury to the engineer. Also there isn't any side plates to protect the equipment under the prow. The vents are so big that it can actually compromise the overall strength of the car body.
Okay, you go to Siemens and tell their certified and highly trained engineers that and the rest of us will watch you get laughed off of the complex.
Nope. The windows slide.
Wait,... are those cars MARC?