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- In this clip, Dustin Rhodes talks exclusively to Inside The Ropes about when he went to WCW and created the Seven character only for the WCW creative team to fumble the character and how frustrated he was with this and the hatred he felt for them!
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Would you like to see the return of Seven? Let us know in the comments!
Nobody ever liked him in WCW I’m sorry.
What I want? You to stop censoring the interviews you cowards.
I loved the way he hovered when he went to the ring. Looked cool, too.
@@pilotamuroreiHow can you tell? They're always impossibly quiet.
Seven looked awesome. Too bad they did the "work shoot" thing with it...
The Seven shoot promo was hilarious and one of my favorites to this day.
Didn't help that he looked like uncle Fester. 🤣
@@dsfddsghhe didn’t..
Yes The "Seven" in ring promo I always knew was from the heart...very memorable! !! Unscripted is without a doubt the most entertaining
Dustin is one of my favorite people. I LOVE these interviews! Dustin and Chris Jericho are the best!
NDA
That might be the single most deceptive headline for any video ever.
True. I fell for it too.
He said he hated Vince so its not that far off to say team. Ive seen much worse titles
I just looked up those vignettes and holy hell that is some creepy stuff it’s more unsettling than anything else
Dark City! Awesome movie.
The kid who’s eyes turned black was Cody Rhodes. That’s when the Nightmare truly began lol
It'd be funny if he got to do a version of this on AEW because he's on TBS again.
He said Vince Russo and almost threw up. I am dying here
Criminally under rated movie...
Yeah I like the seven character it was creepy and scary, it’s such a shame what happened
Wonderful insight!!
Thats amazing! That segment I watched live as it aired and to this day to this very moment that I am here watching this video I maintained in my minds eye that he didn’t really (for the most part) break kafabe and dump on everything that we loved about Dustin throughout his career! (Again for the most part) Because it hurt me as a fan! I loved the entrance I was intrigued by the character then to find out that he not only hated the gimmick but Goldust as well I was a bit hurt as a fan. Bc gimmicks aside Dustin is a really great in ring performer! So I was bummed, it was like being insulted by the one you admire for being a fan of his. Alec Guinness O.G. Obi-Wan once insulted a 10 yr old fan who asked for an autograph bc Alec felt Star Wars was childish nonsense. (Alec wanted to work with Lucas more than he wanted to be in SW) it felt like that. So I am finally relieved to know that it was a work a Kayfabe/shoot with understandable notes of truth.
I'm surprised that they didn't cut to commercial and cut him off!He was pissed off and shooting! He definitely drawed heat!
Now that he said Dark City, I entirely see the gimmick.
Had Dark city on video, thought it was ok film, he could have feuded with Undertaker
People so called HATED WCW! But had no problem staying there. Some until the end.
Most people think that the Seven character was Russo's idea, and since they hate Russo they think the character was terrible by default. Honestly, it's the kind of thing that gives you very little hope for human beings. It was a brilliant character, and it would have been brilliant no matter who's idea it was.
I wish Dustin would have brought the character back in AEW as the new leader of The Dark Order. It would have breathed new life into the group by making them actually interesting again like they were with Brody Lee. They've been the drizzling shits since Brody's death. I think they're mainly on RoH now and are back to being heels, but I don't watch RoH and from what I've seen they are still a shell of what they were. Hell, over half of the group is gone and they're down to like 3 (possibly 4) members I think not counting negative one. Anyway, if not Dark Order leader, I would have at least liked to have seen a one-off return for Halloween or something. Would have been super nostalgic and probably gone down it history much like it did back in WCW. Everyone remembers Seven because the character was loaded to the brim with Mystique.
I can't imagine caring this much about a dumb wrestling gimmick 😂 get out more bud
@@AngryDad. I'm sure you have your favorite shows or sports and have discussed them with people. So maybe don't be such a hypocrite?
Wow.
Dude gets better everytime he speaks.
I never thought either of the Rhodes kids were any good in the ring
Anything cool or creative would never have lasted anyways with all the inmates running that asylum back then. Imagine this Seven did take off and get over only for nwo to jump and spray paint him whenever they felt like it
Golddust with Marlena is my favorite wrestler ever. Marlena especially. Terri is a beautiful woman 😍 But Golddust for his time was so outlandish and odd. Definitely Dustin's best gimmick.
If you told me Se7en character or goldust character... I'd say Se7en had more of a chance to get over tbh.
Sad it never came to fruition
Dustin created an ahead of its time character that could have rivaled undertaker but cut such an amazing promo he buried it just as hard.
This man deserved more from this business. Not cause he is the son of dusty, but because he is so good on mic and on the ring. He was in the middle generation and this punish him. Maybe in AEW is not the top star, but he have the respect he deserve.
I KNEW Seven was supposed to be based on Dark City!!! Well I feel vindicated
Russos good at writing sick shjt. 🤔 wonder what he does behind the scenes 😬 he’ll probably be going down after Vince.
Didnt like seven.. Goldust was original very sexual stating the obvious but i thought some of the Goldust vignettes with his tone of voice and that music in the background was more creepy than seven
TBS & TNT
showed horror movies
at that time
that were worse
I’m going to say it, that seven thing was beyond corny. Bro, it was horrible.
I thought the whole thing was a work?
Wasnt his dad the creative team? 😂😂
I'm glad the character was cancelled. A supernatural gimmick doesn't work in WCW
Well they try doing silly cheesy stories like the Dungeon of Doom. 😂
That was stupid and indefensible, but I think it's very telling that they dropped the supernatural nonsense from that stable in 1996. @@cville991
Dustin is just an average wrestler with terrible gimmicks. Even golddust is just cheesy
Man, I love that Dustin was a fan of Dark City! A truly unique Goth-Noir Fantasy which was a great idea for a wrestling persona actually. Just imagine the feud he could have had against Crow Sting? Funnily enough The Crow & Dark City were both directed by Alex Proyas. If WCW had booked Seven vs Sting they could have hired Proyas himself to shoot the vignettes.
The matrix copied it, it even has the same sets
@@johnm3907The Matrix may be the most derivative film of it's day. Dark City & Ghost In The Shell instantly come to mind as well as a little known 1996 film called Crossworlds. Personally I don't think that The Wachowskis have ever made a film as good as their 1996 debut, Bound.
I came to share the same sentiments! I need to rewatch Dark City again, it's been years but it really makes me respect the Seven character a lot more knowing it was supposed to aim for something along those lines.
The same Director as The Crow. 🤘
I miss Proyas movies, now he just makes shorts
Not gonna lie, 25k almost justified the entrance, it was pretty badass for 1999 lol.
Imagine if Seven feuded with Glacier, would've been legendary. Winner of the feud keeps his expensive entrance.
So after years of everyone assuming Seven was a Russo character that Dustin decided to kill off it turns out the opposite was true.
No you are incorrect. Russo was all in for the Seven character but his bosses (TBS) hated it. There was a promo 1 week before with Seven in front of the window with a kid in his room. After TBS saw that creepy promo they ordered Russo to stop using that character. So Russo told Dustin they have to stop it and they went for a shoot.
What? I thought everyone knew it was Dustin's character that execs canned because the videos made him look like a pedo stealing children. There're also hella videos about this on youtube.
The videos started airing a couple weeks before Russo signed with WCW, so definitely not his creation.
@@realretrorelapse The execs did can the idea, but it wasn't pedo stuff. It's hard for people to comprehend how scary these promos came across as back then. We're talking a decade where the exorcist was considered one of the scariest movies of all time, but pails in comparison to the things we consider scary now. People weren't as desensitized to horror as they are now.
@paulghignon4092 no one was scared except execs because he looked like a pedo. Pretending that people weren't familiar with horror movies is ludicrous.
25k to float to the ring is ridiculous though.
Shows how much doe they was makin
I was there in Indianapolis when he came out. Definitely one of the coolest entrances ever.
Me too!!!
unpopular opinion; I thought the Seven gimmick was cool
I know I'm late to the game but I must express that I feel like Dustin Rhodes is such a confident, creative genius. IMO. I thank my lucky stars he is who he is because he's actually inspiring to me. I admit that at the time I didn't fully appreciate the true level of individuality and expertise that made what he did possible. But looking back nowadays, I'm thankful for people like him with a true passion of wrestling entertainment. He showed us what is possible.
Seven looked fucking awesome that could've been an amazing Heel that entrance floating to the ring the theme was awesome that would've been I get they didn't wanna hint at a child abductor but it could've worked he looked a bit like a cross between Freddy Krueger and Pinhead he could've been a sick demonic character abducting people ( not kids ) he could've been all about people needing to suffer with him needing to absolve them of their sins I dunno lol but I really liked how he looked as Seven that could've been awesome
HELLRAISER JUDGEMENT
did that concept
don't watch it
it's a horrible movie
Seven would've worked. However it wouldn't have lasted long given WCW was on borrowed time.
That time on AEW when the dark order wanted to recruit him and they said "join us you can be number 7"
😁😁😁😁😁 pure gold!! Loved it!!!!
Seven Could have worked if they didn't have the Kid made him into this horror character like the fiend
Dustin Rhodes in very underrated as a pro wrestler. And WCW completely dropped the ball when it came to Rhodes...
Disagree. He may be underrated to CASUAL fans, but hardcores have known him forever. Goldust is beloved by a lot.
@@green49285 Casual fans are still fans nonetheless. So you do seem to agree at least somewhat.
@johncook9392 I mean KINDA. my only disagreement is on the fact that hardcores DEFINITELY know who he is. Youd have to be pretty young or not SUPER into wrestling to not know who he is, which I'd wager is a minority.
@@green49285 I don't disagree with you. But as a new generation of wrestlers and fans come in.... I also remember that Goldust seemed to get a lot of hate for being "gay", which even as a HUGE Razor Ramon fan I never hated on Goldust (I assume you remember that angle)... I think that era/time frame and the hate he got for the character's "sexuality" makes me think he was underappreciated even by old school and/or hardcore fans...
I really would like to know why it was so expensive, 25k for every entrance. They already had the floating steel rope from Stings entrances. So hanging him to the rope and floating him out was 25k? HOW?
Sting really only ever just came straight down on one cable. To have Dustin attached to 2 cables, lift him up, move him from the ramp to the ring, lift him up again and then set him down in the ring....the precise movement and amount of rigging that would take would no doubt be costly...you know, if you wanted to hire professionals to do it
probably all the dry ice, smoke and fire.
someone needs to ask dustin who's idea it was to shoot a live action promos for acclaim's wwf warzone game.
The Dustin shoot was my greatest WCW moment! I loved it and talk about it with friends to this day!😊
He seems like a good dude.
U actually have friends with conversations like that.
Dark City is such an amazing underrated piece of work. Of course Dustin loved the movie! I did too, it's great!
It had the same director as the Crow, so there was a great gothic feel for movie. Too bad Alex Proyas hasn't done similar type of work like those two ever since.
Dark City is one of my favorites too.
I never knew about 7 until a few tears ago.
I was wondering why the hell it didnt work out..
I was under the impression that Rhodes hated it. Just by what he was saying on the debut of 7.
I never thought he liked it. Let alone created the character.
Would have been nice to see that character grow like he said.
Nobody seems to get the Dark City / Seven connection. I’m glad he states it here so nobody can deny that was the inspiration.
Undertaker rip off that's all seven was with the hat
@@JackDelamotte-cq3vb Seems a little more creative than a ripoff but I get the point you're making. Scary gimmick = Undertaker unfortunately.
Dark City was one of my all time favorites
"So they dressed me up like Uncle Fester, to play trick or treat, all year long." The Seven character would have been interesting to see if they had let it go on a bit longer, just to see how it would have played out. But with Russo's "creative" knowledge, if you can call it that, he would have run it dead and Goldust would have returned to WWF within the year.
Can you fill me in on who Vince Russo is?
its sad no one knows about dark city
So being a teenager when this was going down, I was super into and excited for the Seven character. And I was bummed when they killed it.
It's a real shame that Dustin became a jobber after all these years. I was hoping he'd be successful like Cody.
He is not exactly a jobber. A lot of the people he jobbed to in Aew he trained before they hit the ring. He was putting them over and help build them
Some people really mis understand what a “jobber” really does
There’s another name for them “carpenter” as Barry Horowitz calls them
@@martindoll5884 Right, and sacrificed his own career for them. That's the sad part. He comes from a legacy family and I was hoping he'd keep the name alive.
No way it cost that much each time. No way
He is definitely a legend I hope he will be adapted to the WWE Hall of Fame very soon.
Dustin Rhodes is a fan of Dark City? I see he's a man of culture
Seven could of have a good feud with Sting.
Seven could have worked, but now with WCW at the time he was coming in. WCW at that point was on the downward slide and it probably would have been two weeks before Seven was fighting Mike Awesome in a fat chick on a pole match or some other nonsense for no reason.
I was so disappointed when that didn't happen, I was hyped over just the vignettes. I get the networks and sponsors, but still, that could of went somewhere, but 95 goldust is highly underrated
I wasn't too excited for Seven I'll be honest, but I agree with the latter part of your comment. 95 Golddust was sooo underrated.
*Could have
Golddust was an awesome character, made everyone look a million bucks.
What's funny is Dark City was made by New Line which is owned by Warner Brothers
Lol steven rhoads... WCW was THE SHIT. The creative team was SO GREAT, that vince had to buy it out snd destory it. And seven wasnt your creation, you even said that when you quit LIVE ON TV. I literally watched the clip ten seconds ago "THEY GOT ME OUT HERE DRESS UP LIKE UNCLE FESTER, BUT THIS IS THE LAST TIME YOU WILL DISRESPECT MY FATHER, MY FAMILY AND ME!" And why are u saying vince created the idea of seven? He didnt own WcW for another 3 years lololol
i wonder now when did he find out that it actually was the network wanting the character killed off and not just Russo trying to screw him, cause he said he believed it was Russo fucking around and he just said ok fine, but when and who confirmed that no it really was Turner saying no we can't do that
I’m so glad we got him vs Cody
Phenomenal match.
they could've cut the salaries of
HOGAN & NASH
to afford the entrance
Bring it back
Imagine seven vs taker ?
Vince Russo don’t know how to attach his wrestlers to things and I mean that from the O hart
Itll be interesting seeing how fans digest this. I also assumed he never wanted to do it.
As a child I was glad they immediately killed that character. Scared the shit out of me
I don't believe that he loved the Seven character. I seriously doubt that
Love dark city, so underrated
Imagine a gimmick where the wrestler kayfabe hates his gimmick and every promo is a worked shoot about how much he hates his opponent AND his gimmick.
And I believed his in ring promo about not wanting to do it! I don't know how he could of made it work but he's the only person whoever could have pulled off Goldust who is one of my favorite wrestlers!
So it was Dustin idea, not Russo? Man, everyone was saying it was Russo idea for years. Glad it was dropped. Sorry, Dustin, but the idea sucked. He looked like Uncle Festers from the Addams Family. Also, I thought the network didnt like the promos because it came across that he was a child predator not satanic.
One of the goat entrances ever
“And oh, btw, I’m seven”. Lol
I seen it as a cross of Dark City and Powder. But I love how when Dark Order was recruiting, they told Dustin he could be #7 as a kick to the character. Seven would have worked well with Undertaker's Ministry. It would work great now, as a heel, have Darby turn on Sting, and join Seven, as his protege
Had no idea the character was his idea. The characte was awful, but now I know why it was that terrible. They didn't let him do what he intendet to. A problem you still have today. Wrestler go to the boss (like Vince) tell him an idea and they just ignore him and made the do some nonsense or let them guard catering. Dustin is sooo talented and it happens twice to him in 2 different companies.
Did he prevent people from talking about Black Reign like he does on Twitter?
Dustin,cody,the american dream,THE MOST REAL PEOPLE IN WRESTLING!
TBS now fine with Moxley swearing and blood every week
It was always going to be compared to undertaker because of the hat and cost. Should have went another route
So TV guidelines screwed us out of a character gimmick inspired by Dark City and that would have involved a young Cody Rhodes in storyline vignettes? Geez.
Crazy cause thr promo was so.good.he made me believe he hated.seven.and Goldust foreal
He hates Black Reign so much he started to open up about Seven 😂
When he went out there and said that seven was a ridiculous character. He made seven likeable. He won the crowd when he did that.
This was kinda eye opening for me, actually. Was wondering what the deal was with that promo for years.
WCW in a Nutshell. Paying 25k for a ring entrance and it’s not even a top star 😂 They we’re losing a million bucks a weak in order to win the ratings war.
Adam fester Wana b under taker
Being familiar with Dark City just elevated him.
I find it funny when he's sitting here talking about how much this potential it had, when I've never seen anyone do a wrestling video about this ever without seeing every wrestling youtuber ever just crap all over it with how stupid it was.
Seven could’ve been great if the vignettes were too creppy they bc could’ve just cut them off
He isnt telling the truth. That promo was all piss and vinegar. He didnt want it to work
One of the first things he said was look at the crap they have me in.
He didnt want the character to work.
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