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make it liberal vs conservative rather than the person is how we got into this mess
you both demonize the other side
both sides have used gerrymandering both sides have used the filibuster and both sides have blocked bills that would be helpful to their own voters just to screw over the other party and prevent them both sides have used their state attorneys to challenge anything the president has done and both sides have launched racist campaigns under the idea they are victims and trying to protect themselves rather it be ageist white cis Stright males or illegal immigrants both sides rioted and burned America
the problem is neither side seems to call their selves out when they do it
and vice is just a propaganda "news" even more then fox news shame on you
This is why we can not become complacent. VOTE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.
@@b3at2 we will get this country back we are not weak we have the God , Family Biden is a dirty liar he leads you people blind when the billionaires behind him have no loyalty to you they will use you and abuse you
@@slimvera5373 The billionaires control republicans too even more so. google it.
No Borders, No Bureaucrats, No BULLSHIT!
So there are two arguments for border enforcement and both are worthless.
1. Economic
1.a.
Tariffs
Some people think or want others to believe that the borders can be a source of wealth with tariffs, but tariffs aren't beneficial if the goal is general economic prosperity. Tariffs are ultimately taxes imposed on businesses that are passed onto the consumer as much as possible as are all overhead factors. The thought of protecting domestic interests from foreign competitors also reduces incentives for domestic firms to increase their economic efficiency in order compete.
1.b.
Foreigners "stealing our jobs"
American workers, in particular, have artificially propped up wages. This is theoretically sustainable ONLY if the state can prevent competition from "illegals", but an apparently unaccounted for ramification would be the detriment to the ability for domestic firms to compete on the global market. If foreigners can produce more cheaply than domestic businesses because they'll accept lower wages, what incentive do consumers have to buy domestically manufactured products that are more expensive? If firms cannot sell their wares, how can they maintain their level of employment? They'll lay off workers. It's only sustainable in theory because the theory is flawed.
The fact is that borders CAN ONLY IMPEDE ECONOMIC PROGRESS.
Labor travels from areas of oversaturation to undersaturation. Labor goes from areas with too much competition and not enough work to areas with an insufficient amount of laborers and excessive work opportunities. Borders ONLY IMPEDE THIS. Simple.
2. Protection from terrorism or criminals.
This is a ridiculous argument that is properly addressed by highlighting false flags and their causality in regards to the monopolization of security includung arbitration or judgement.
False flag terrorism is functional because of the lack of recourse citizens have concerning security. It is widely believed that the Nazis burned down their own Reichstag building and then blamed a mentally handicapped person for the arson claiming that it was part of a larger conspiracy. Thus, the Nazis demanded that the German people relinquish their civil liberties against government encroachment. They were successful at this means of empowering the state because the people either supported it when government actors posed as the saviors claiming to need more power or the citizens couldn't conceive of a way to stop it AND HAD NO OBVIOUS ALTERNATIVE. Then the government murdered millions of people.
We need to get at the root of the problem.
The issue isn't open borders or incompetent leadership as much as it is the sanctioning of state aggression as a means to achieve order.The State is the largest and most effective violator of private property. The force used to secure payment for services that aren't desired is the ultimate problem.
Libertarian Restoration Theory proposes a system where it's unacceptable to rob people in the form of taxation for services rendered in favor of a system where entities claiming to provide justice must compete for their income. When disputes in the justice that is rendered inevitably arise, they would continue to compete for income by looking to arbitration rather than war. Arbitration is less costly than war, therefore the market provides an impetus to avoid it. Governments have no incentive to avoid war because they don't compete for income. Rather, they rob people for their income and capitalize off of war. Competition for the provision of security with disputes handled through third party arbitration is the answer. The state claims a territorial monopoly on justice but doesn't supply justice universally; it shows favoritism and holds some above the law to which others are subject.
When Assange showed that members of the military murdered journalists and children, the state imprisoned the people that helped to expose the injustice. The government demands tribute in the form of taxation and pretends to be the ultimate authority when it comes to justice while simultaneously bombing children and calling them collateral damage. What recourse do we have without a competitive impetus for the provision of justice and security? Begging the same entity for protection of private property will provide the same results it always has: perpetuation of injustice.
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when that lady said she was mostly Comanche I literally spit my milk across the room in laughter.
She’s no more Native American than frump is a male underwear model!!
I heard my grandmother laughed in her grave. When this German lady says she mostly Comanche
The fact that she is unaware the the world sees her as white and has that privilege is…concerning
This is very common in the U.S. White people who are 1/8 non white like to claim they are not white. It's absurd.
waste of milk
Calls herself Comanche then talks about replacements . Unbelievable levels of ignorance .
My Cherokee Grannie would have snatched her up quick. I'd like to see her CIB card. She said shes mostly Native so she should have one. She probably doesn't know what it means
Ignorance must be a course, now taught in American schools. Very scary.
@@yasuke9317 and probably too much of a neurotic paranoid to take an ancestry test. "THEY AIN'T STEALING MY DNA"
she said a mouthful when she said it's about hungaria lol
Yes the fabled (Mostly German) White Comanche.
This is why EDUCATION AND CRITICAL THINKING ARE CRUCIAL.
so who is to blame for it getting to this level ? education system in America
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
That's what is so scary about leftist people and their absurd ideologies.
@@urhunn7778 Bless your heart.
@@juliebigheartthompson3440 Thank you, same to you.
@@urhunn7778 Awww, thanks. Sigh...Ignorance can be challenging.
When I am ignorant of something, I appreciate new information, education, correction. In my day, accessing new/further info could require hours of library research - that’s certainly not the case today. Ignorance in the face of easily attainable information baffles me. That amounts to willful ignorance. To my mind, willful ignorance amounts to stupidity. I am grateful that at age 65 and with a stroke-damaged brain, I can still learn and even change my mind with new info.
@@urhunn7778 Awww, thanks. Sigh…Ignorance can be challenging.
When I am ignorant of something, I appreciate new information, education, correction. In my day, accessing new/further info could require hours of library research - that’s certainly not the case today. Ignorance in the face of easily attainable information baffles me; it amounts to willful ignorance. To my mind, willful ignorance amounts to stupidity. I am grateful that at age 65 and with a stroke-damaged brain, I can still learn and even change my mind with new info.
Did that lady really say “we don’t know what diseases they’re bringing in” as if people are stray animals with rabies?!?!
Well yeah. You never know with Untermenschen you know.
Better get that delousing agent Zxklon B. We already have some camps where you could do that at the border.
Yet Christian missionaries don't care about bringing diseases to the people of the Amazon...
It's not that. Check the history about when Spaniards first came to South America. They're not the only ones.
Pure racism.
@@lawerancelanham agreed. And similarly how the Europeans nearly wiped out the Native American population with disease.
It’s really terrifying that that weird blonde woman is a social worker. 😕
Comanche lady really said “ Hungaria” 😂
That was a great Simpson’s episode and I appreciated the reference 😎
@@sloppynyuszishe absolutely was not referring to the Simpsons or any other show 😂 home girl was as dead ass as dead ass comes
I chuckled when she said “Hungaria”
Pretty sure she didn't know but Hungaria is actually the Latin name of Hungary. Funny.
I lost it. She also said I'm Cherokee and a bit German and we can be Nationalist without being racist. So, I personally know a few Native people and they want their land back, respect for their culture as OG Americans and would never support the religious right. Religious freedom means everyones religion is respected and not forced upon the population.
Classic example of an American christian nationalist.
All passion and NO brains or education.
“She’s not white”. LOL she has .00001% of the genes of the people swept aside to build America. So I guess she has all the answers. 🤷♂️
@@yasuke9317 she said Comanche but otherwise you're right as far as I know
As a Canadian who attended school in Florida, years ago, I remember my American history teacher, and my geography teacher being impressed with how much I knew about America, more than his own Floridian students.
As a Jamaican Canadian I also now identify as Comanche with a tid bit of German.
😂👏
My eyes rolled so hard there
😂😂😂
Nice one😂
@@offgridmatt haha just a smidgen
Hungarian here. Orban is definitely not someone to follow. However, these american journalists are always missing the point. It's not bad because there are no lgbt rights, but it's bad because it gets harder every day to have a normal life. Skyrocketing inflation, poor quality of education and healthcare, high taxes, all the laws making it difficult for businesses to prosper all contribute to life being very unrewarding in Hungary. People with government-connections get literally all of the EU funds, same with municipalities. Every year 20,000-30,000 (mostly young and highly educated) people leave the country, because prospects for young adults are generally very poor. Not to mention everything has gotten way worse since the war started.
"Being a Christian and a nationalist isn't a crime".
You're right, Brenda... But it sure as hell is one GIANT logical contradiction.
Neither does being a neo-Nazi but you sure wouldn’t want to be around them.
So when you see hispanics or any other country proudly displaying their flags on there cars or property it’s not a problem but when americans do it then it is? give me a break
@@CHAMPisBEAST I think anyone at all, from any country, taking pride in it, is as ridiculous as taking pride in your skin color. You had no say, or choice in it. So, yes... If a Hispanic Christian takes pride in being from whatever country they are from, and becomes a nationalist for it, then I think it's just as foolish as an American Christian nationalist.
@@CHAMPisBEAST no nobody said it is the problem is that flag humpers normally hate anyone who isn’t from here and also isn’t white you hate anyone with a different religion trans people gay people literally everyone that’s outside their narrow idealistic view of who’s better nationalism is a disease on the world patriotism is okay but blind allegiance to a government parading as love for a country is a threat
@@CHAMPisBEAST lol, you're really bad at comparing things. those 2 are not the same at all...
Mexicans who display their mexican flags are proud of where they came from and where they are now. that is just them showing pride.
now what the OP said was, Christian Nationlist are 2 things that dont go together becuase if you actually read your bible, the bible is very very pro immigrant and orders Christians to welcome immigrants into their homes and treat them as if they were family. it's very very different from the fan fiction version of christianity that Republicans pretend to follow. Your God/Jesus would be extreemly aginst trumps mexico usa wall. 90% of the Republican agenda stands in stark contrast to the Christian bible's teachings.
5:42 "I'm not even a white person I'm mostly Comanche"
6:32 "WhY DoEs ThE LeFt AlWaYs BrINg Up RaCe???"
you literally can't make up this level of ignorance.
The left always does bring up race?
Elizebeth Warren ass
But she is asking why whiles doing the same
@UCr6icjD-b9RozwHwVTG0e6g | one literally can't make up *_this_* level of ignorance 😋
Brenda is as white as mayo lol
They are scared of everything and love to play the victim. That’s why they want a strongman. Must suck being so afraid of everything.
That's leftie snowflakes for you 😂😂
Guns make them feel powerful and safe, as long as only white people have them.
you know what they say about those who live by the sword...
@@kalui96 I live by the strudel.
Seems like you guys are the ones who are afraid tbh.
It’s funny how all those people loved Orban’s speech and Hungary yet the majority of them couldn’t point to it on a map! 😅
Not to mention calling it “hungaria”
They don't even realize Orban is very pro-Russia and pro-China, and abhor Amerikkka for good reason.
The fact that people are comfortable going in front of a camera and saying with a straight face that they think certain people should have fewer rights than others is astonishing
I don’t understand how that person studied at Harvard.
But they love freedom!
@@alexlabs4858 Harvard is a party school for rich kids.
And in the same vulgar breath, claim they are for freedom.
They should lose their right to vote
“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” James Waterman Wise (mis-attributed to Sinclair Lewis)
More like wrapped in leftist bidenism
You projecting antifa ideology ?
@@kentuck1387 I do not support either the Dems or the Republicans. I am disgusted by them both, but ESPECIALLY the American Taliban. It's democracy that I support Ken.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" -Samuel Johnson, 1775
Yea Fascism LMFAO
The irony of concervatives being so against liberalism because "it leads to socialism" yet believing a leader who is "not afraid to use the power of the state to achieve certain goals" is inspiring is mind blowing, and terrifying.
These so called Modern "Liberals"
are really "GLIBerals" !!!
you're 100% right.
if it wasnt so awful it'd be hilarious.
I’m glad if it leads too socialism! Hell yeah
Being the third generation of inbreeding and fetal-alcohol leaves one with a poor eye for irony (or any other abstraction, for that matter).
"[Using] the power of the state to achieve certain goals," means "[using legislation] to achieve certain goals"
5:16. "I think that country is very prosperous". She definitely does not know that so many young Hungarians don't even want to live there anymore and that brain draining is especially bad in Hungary.
Stupid greedy people in control, smart people will leave. The same will happen here if we go Christofascist.
That's what you would believe if you got all your info from Orban and Fidesz
Controlling leaders want smart people gone. Cult leaders always teach their followers insane, extremist stuff because they don't want level headed people around to influence other members.
HOW is she a social worker???!! Everything she is saying and standing for goes against the values of social work
In case you don’t know, The University of Dallas, is a private Catholic school.
Also, many conservatives are fond of saying, “if you don’t love America, leave America.” I hope they take their own advice and just move to Hungary…
If they do, they'll live in American communities where everyone and all the businesses speak English.
@@Alltime2050 I'd be infinitely amused if Orban rejected them for not being Hungarian. Though I doubt he would, because at the end of the day its not really about tradition or even Christian values. Its about racism and power grabs, as it always seems to be among the far right whackjobs.
@@Alltime2050 You mean what Americans are doing in some parts of Mexico.
@@Bangk0kdanger0us Of course. And most of them will never get the irony of it.
Nah, we will ideally just take the farm land states and starve out the blue states :D friend-enemy distinction.
The woman talking about Hungary didn't know a week ago that Hungary even exists.
I would say 4 hours before the interview
You mean “Hungaria”?
Or point at it on a map...
This country is doomed. The scary thing is that we haven't hit rock bottom in this abyss.
One of the Americans in Hungary lamented our abandonment of "the essence of civilization". Orban shows his listeners more respect by simply saying "...we do not want to become peoples of mixed race." In all of the subsequent interviews with Hungarians, people dance around this idea with lofty rhetoric about Hungarian values, cultural background, etc. Rod Dreher drones on about "freedom of expression and freedom of religion" which of course he only allows for expressions and religions of his choosing. I don't understand what is so difficult about admitting that American ideals and fascism don't mix.
the irony of that lady saying she's mostly Comanche and therefore not a White Nationalist but then immediately saying she has the right to keep her country American while talking about replacement lmfao
Hilarious. BTW most people claiming Native American ancestry are not. Every kid in north-east claims to be Cherokee. DNA proves this false.
She also talked about "Hungaria".. lol
she's 1% comanche and clearly shes white
@@espiritusagrado2733 Elizabeth Warren.
And Then Says *WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT RACE ALL THE TIME?* WTF SMH🙈🙉🙊
"The best slaves are the ones who believe they are free"
The best slave is no slave
@@firstlast8258 He means "the most obedient slaves".
Sounds like Democrat voters. The same Democrats who created KKK, Jim Crow etc are now acting all saintly and pro freedom.
@@firstlast8258 miss the point much !!!
I would probably be more enthusiastic about my "great line of people" if I hadn't spent decades living with them, getting to know them from the inside out, and finding out about their dark sides. I find history interesting, but the window-dressing of traditional architecture and clothing and the rosy pictures of perfect traditional families doesn't change the messy realities of everyday life or the personal and emotional problems of the people living it. They are part of the human condition, but they only get better when individuals are prepared to face them and deal with them, not just dress them up to look pretty.
literally though. 100 years from now they'll talk about how awesome life was in the global north and completely neglect the rest of the world
They're not doing a good job of making their problems look "pretty."
Well, Hungarian society is in no way without fault, but that's not a reason to forget your history and traditions, as those can help you become a more grounded person, and help society as a whole.
Spot on.
So true after a while the romanticizing of the “traditional past” loses its appeal when you’re grounded in the reality of the present.
Both political parties in this country are dumpster fires. We need a third party.
The new American party.
Orban's "unique style of government" is about to get the rug pulled from underneath it, since the EU is working to pull funding from Hungary unless they fix the rampant corruption and the justice system. That's why Orban is really quiet in Brussels these days, to try his best to hang on to EU money because he knows that once the funding is pulled, he and his "unique style of government" is done.
@Anthony Rubio Lebanon isn't in the EU, so not relevant in this case
I sincerely hope so.
But the rise of those political beliefs is unfortunately immensely present in Europe atm.
And it breaks my heart.
What's wrong with being human?
There's nothing wrong in not liking miscegenation mate. Same with becoming a minority in one's own country. At least Orban has the guts to say it publicly, even if it offends you people.
Yes, and we in Europe have been waiting for years for that to happen. Can't wait.
Poland is to blame for that because of the unanimity principle
At 17:07, discussing that while conservatives say they want small government, dude drops this bomb:
"He is a conservative, but he's not afraid to use the power of the state to achieve certain goals."
Having listened to their goals being spouted out loud, that's damned chilling.
I think he means socially conservative. But still big govt. It sounds like the old communist ideology.
I’m from Alabama. It’s a very “pro-small-government” state that literally outlaws pretty much everything. It’s a land of mental-gymnasts.
I keep trying to tell people that Christianity is terrifying and dangerous but they act like I'm being dramatic.
the whole "small government" idea is an american thing - most fascists world wide advocate for a form of socialism that benefits their chosen group.
@@acegikm Well saying it's Christiany itself is the problem will turn people away from that message, talk about how its a particular reading and set of beliefs that are not inherently Christians and you may have more luck. If you're trying to sway Christians saying their religion is a problem will just turn them against you, if you argue from their principles you may have more success.
Bruh I’m still rolling 😂when that lady said she’s Comanche I hollered so loud😫😫😫😂😂🥴🥴🤦🏾♂️
"I got some German in me, but mostly I am Comanche". - No, no you're not. In fact, I would be surprised if that lady was even 5% native of any tribe. My mom thought she was part Cherokee and mostly German her entire life until I gave her the Ancestry DNA test... 100% white, no native, no German.
Hungary: "We the lone star state of Europe"
Also Hungary: "Ehhh...can we still receive your funding please, daddy Euro"
its always the ones profiting from the EU who are angry about the EU
Daddy Euro, can I get a Zelle even though I hate you? Kthxbai! XD LOL
litterally they get more EU funds per capita than any other EU member state
Welfare bums
Exactly, I fucking hate this country honestly
I feel sorry for that social worker’s clients!😢
A "wellfare nazi"...specializing in reducing the number of recipients by making their lives even worse.
Willing to go out on a limb and say she's a homophobe, and considering 25% of american homeless youth are lgbt...
And she literally goes like I’m not white , and claim that the left brings race in to the debate .
Watching this after recently finishing Dirty Money: Confidence Man (Netflix) causes a pure, gut-sinking feeling for me.
I do feel as time goes on (not that we should wait and entertain this trend as a species), all these "strong" men will be revealed as deeply flawed, damaged, and dangerous individuals who happened to tap into a power that should have been kept in check when they discovered they could manipulate a % of the population just to elevate fragile identities.
Excellent reporting Vice, thank you!!!
As a hungarian, watching this video was a string of muttered "what the fuck"s.
I agree, I feel ashamed and I want to get out of here honestly. Fidesz = GOP
@@Soyboy10 are you noticing a rise in Duganism (people following the philosopher Alexander Dugin) in your country? That’s the other “leader” our idiots are following without trump even knowing it.
@@Soyboy10 No one hates Hungary and Hungarians more than Hungarian liberals.
As a Dutch person i did too! 😔
@@Soyboy10 I’ll trade places with you
It is mind-boggling that people with mouth full of freedom don't consider the freedom of others and in order to preserve their personal freedoms, they are up for limiting the freedom of others 🤯
Conservatives in a nutshell.
Tiny, stupid, hateful, and now dangerous people
Or you just fear a invisible enemy
it's not even about their freedom, they just want to bend others to their values.
@@MJ2A Are you speaking about replacement theory or destruction of families by other families, or are you this lady? th-cam.com/video/Ipf1FAt9c3M/w-d-xo.html
That lady in no way is Comanche 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤦🏼♂️
Hungary has a history of both left wing and right wing rule that has been disastrous for the country.
Also economics will show that populism, left or right wing, will show that it is not viable. For instance, when I heard of the incentive of not paying income tax, I thought that this is a problem economically because this means a decline in revenue. The decline of revenue means that programs that citizens enjoy and benefit from will be cut or eliminated.
Idk buddy Hungary seems pretty nice to me. Look at the crime riddled streets of San Francisco and compare them to the streets of Budapest.
@@crazyeight9lol I love how you're acting like America doesn't have a problem with getting wealthy people to pay tax
Scary that that woman is a social worker.
Yeah. I wonder what she's done for "her" Comanche people lately, or if she even knows the history of Native Americans in the USA. The hypocrisy is astonishingly surreal.
Yeah, it’s almost as bad as all the liberal teachers out there indoctrinating children.
It’s despicable and honestly scary because the field is powerful and problematic
"We want freedom of religion so we can be a Christian country!"
...
How do these people make it through life with such a poor grasp of basic language comprehension skills?
Its like they spend so much of their time and energy trying to invent new ways to pretend they're being victimized that they kind of forget to think that the people actually victimizing them is frequently themselves.
It's the disconnect that always blows my mind
Like, you chant these slogans....have you never once considered the ACTUAL implications of what you chant?
Do you realise that your version of freedom of religion means that no one else has theirs?
Im just constantly comforted in those moments by the cold thought that if "Christian nationalists" ever managed to drive the US into a theocracy, it would last exactly 4 days before the whole thing burns to the ground as they fight to stamp down WHICH Christianity is the divinely correct one
This isn't a representation of everyone, so as the BLM deadly protests aren't a representation of people who support Black Lives Matter
Don't be amazed. Remember, it's all a game. They just want to get their dictator in by any means necessary
LIAR
@@kenbee1957 conservatives without fail are the most self centered people you'll ever meet, their entire philosophy revolves around "if it doesn't directly benefit me and the people I like than it's bad" they love to call others blind sheep but they're the easiest to fool and scam of any group.
It's funny how Poland Norway and Iceland have the same exact policies that you won't mention!🤔
They're not strongman, they're just passion crazy, certifiable. The founding fathers are rolling in their grave right now.
"I'm not white, I have a little bit of German in me"💀
elaborate
That makes her mixed and not white. Where's the lie?
I can picture her mostly "Comanche ancestors" discussing the Great Replacement Theory as Europeans poured in to the American Southwest, stole their lands, and consigned the Comanche to Indian Territory (later Oklahoma). Talk about replacement! And speaking of outsiders bringing in diseases! You've got to be kidding! Lady, ever heard of smallpox and measles?!
Speak it!
Happened 160 years ago. Time to move on.
@@stopthemediaswaronmen3029 Your TH-cam handle says it all; there's no media war on men, just a lot (not all) of men behaving badly. And these men need to grow up and stop behaving like privileged adolescents.
the idiotic irony was cracking me up man
Because she knows what happens when a bunch of people from a foreign land flood into a country. It isn't ironic, it's obvious.
I am really glad that attention is being brought to this issue, because mainstream politics globally is becoming more and more Authoritarian.
Yeah thanks to leftists
@@redchems5185 thanks to authoritarians.
@@redchems5185 not a lie (seriously leftists are only getting more annoying) but the right are genuinely responding by becoming inhumane and cruel eugenisists. Leftists are stupidly zealous but at least mean well for everyone.
@@redchems5185 How can you watch this video and come away thinking that?
@@meursaultroquentin Both sides preach for radical change... What can achieve that?
There's no way that host is zipping up that jacket. It's like three sizes too small for him. So ridiculous. lol
"A society that values freedom of expression, freedom of religion" - They're actually mad aren't they? Nothing about right-wing America allows for freedom of expression and religion outside of their own views and religion.
republicans all have daddy issues and look to strongmen as their would be foster fathers.
Yeah lol cause mandating a vaccine was all about freedom. Keep talking you fuckin hypocrite
Its because they don't know what freedom actually means. To them its not a word with a meaning, its just a slogan. A mantra to recite in order to make themselves feel better on the rare occasion they get introspective enough to realize that they're horrible people.
Other words they frequently use but don't understand: democracy, republic, socialism, communism, capitalism, family, Christian, prayer, science, education, patriotism.. there's plenty more that's just a few off the top of my head.
It's only their freedom they are talking about. Not freedom for anyone who disagrees with them.
Thats just seems like every political side ever
She literally said we are not racist America has every race and they are American but then said that they are trying to replace us by them she means non white immigrants I thought she didn't want to make this about race but she does when she mentions the white replacement theory. She should be okay with non white immigrants coming here legally and replacing white people as long as they are legal Americans but I don't think she would really like that at all so it is about race.
Doublethink is the lifeblood of fascism.
The thing is, those people coming from Latin America are, well, at least partly _Native American people._ They just happened to be south of the artificial border we plopped down many thousands of years after their peoples migrated into those areas.
But it gets better.
We have done a great deal to CAUSE the political instability and gang violence that have riddled Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador?
So the people fleeing here are in danger _because of the crap we did!_
Knowing that, the Republican attitude seems like a refusal to accept the consequences of our collective misdeeds.
We screwed up their countries...NOW HERE'S THE REFUGEES. Taadaa.
(Edit: Should mention, this also applies to Haiti. We've been messing with their government)
Anyway...
I've gotten to meet and work around lots of immigrants, some of them from Central America.
In general? they bust butt at work, they party hard, they're good folks.☺️
I think it's ironic as he11 the people who wouldn't put on a d@mn mask are afraid of "diseases from immigrants."
@@sacksis yeah because she's totally against french or German migrants like herself. Don't play dumb.
@@sacksis
The lady @ 5:07? She mentioned race to *deny it's about race.*
It's not safe to just openly admit you're a racist. You know that, and so does she.
But then she mentioned immigration is about the Left supposedly "replacing Americans."
1) A lot of these people have legit asylum claims, meaning they're fleeing from death threats.
So treaty law says we're required to offer a chance to prove those claims in court.
The court has a pretty low rate of granting asylum.
2) A person who works hard, jumps through the hoops, passes the test and pays the fees, _becomes a citizen._ The process takes about 10 years. So at that point, they're a citizen, not replacing any other citizen.
Personally, I think Republicans are, long-term, messing themselves over by attacking Latin Americans. They actually tend to be socially conservative. But...The GOP went with the old "Southern Strategy."
Just a few years ago the left were all for "white replacement theory" .
There's a shorter word for "big government conservative" - it is called "a fascist" 👀
This is such important reporting. Thank you.
they will do anything except for going to therapy for their narcissism 🥴
I got a bunch of people like this in my family. They won't go to therapy because deep down they know they're guilty of a lot.
Is it Halloween already? Because this is fucking terrifying.
Many won’t survive that long
No, this is a night scared.
The lady at 6:19Is about Comanche as a bologna sandwich.
35:35 - 35:46 hilarious, her obviously reading a meaningless script and him staring off blankly, love it
Anyone capable of independent thought should be horrified and appalled by this - truly disturbing.
I would just like to remind you that not all conservatives hold the same views that Vice might have you believe about us. Remember that not everything you see on the internet is always the whole truth. And yes, we should be concerned about this anti immigration idea. BUT we should also worry about unsecured borders that are allowing drugs and human trafficking to be an issue in our country. Our borders need to be secured, but also our immigration system needs a complete overhaul. There has to be a better faster way for non citizens to enter our country. People are dying on attempts to become Americans. The only way to stop that is to secure borders and make it easier and cheaper for people to enter our country.
Would an immigrant pay thousands to a cartel to enter our country if they could do it legally and free? Probably not. The far whatever directions of this country are both wrong. The solution is somewhere in the middle.
PS stop letting media make us forget that we are Americans before anything else.
I find this terrifying. Conservatism is the antithesis to progress.
@@user-cg6fd4in1d not all progress is good. We as a country could progress in a very wrong direction very quickly if we are not careful.
@@aaroncrawford9575 We're already going in the wrong direction. We're already there. It's just going to get worse. There is too much hate in this country.
I find this absolutely fascinating tbh
"mostly, I'm camanche"omfg I died laughing. I bet she can't even fucking spell camanche. Jesus fucking christ
Same thing I was thinking 😂
Oh it gets even better.
that very white woman mentions race, and then starts on about how the left is always bringing up race? lmfao.
this is absolutely insane
My Trump-loving father also claims he's not white...says he's Shawnee. I did my DNA. NOPE. 0%. A lie that has spread through my very white family for generations. My dad claims these DNA services are a scam and he won't believe me! lol
@@cowmath77 I have BPD. Let's not make it sound like being crazy makes you think like this. Any normal person is just as susceptible to propaganda. Mental illness is not a prereq
Anyone that has enjoyed the social benefits of having low melamine and is also a nationalist is in every conceivable way a white nationalist.
You should check Brazil's situation for an update on the matter
"far right" is a meaningless term
Hungary going full Gilead
Was anybody else expecting Brian Shaw or Eddie Hall?
I think we have different definitions of Strongmen
That's because some only frame strong men in terms of violence, but Orban should show you that strongmen exist regarding the policies they implement as well.
@@SecretEyeSpot lifting weights isn't violence that's what those strong men do , they aren't bare knuckle fighters
@@qedamawiessene5827 😅
Hey vice, maybe put the name of the series in the title so someone searching for it days later doesn't have to randomly watch each video you release hoping its the one. Or create a playlist!? 😲🤯😲🤯
That woman said, "We don't know what they are bringing.. they're replacements." Then literally says "Why are you trying to divide us." Does she even think for a second before she opens her mouth?
Yeah but she's not white! She has a little bit of german!
@@ykMMD LOL. I still can't get over that absurd comment.
My entire Hungarian family who raised me and have since died are all collectively rolling in their graves.
They were old, and generally Republicans. But they got through WWII and THEY KNEW what an authoritarian looked like, they knew what danger looked like. They pointed out to me so often growing up what good and bad leaders looked like. I'm confident to this day they wouldn't have bought into this BS. They'd be sick over this.
Very interesting. And what you say of your family makes a whole lot of sense, and is repeated across many European nations that suffered under the tyranny of Nazism and Communism. So I’m genuinely interested to know what demographic (age, sex, education, socio-economic status etc) is now voting for Orban, given he’s achieving landslide victories.
In the rest of Europe (in general) it’s the young who maintain the balance between left and right, their votes being more liberal, and it’s the middle aged who have started to show right-leaning tendencies (as seen during Brexit in the UK). But to have landslide victories in Hungary the spread of right thinking leaning must also be moving into a younger demographic.
Is this fear of losing jobs (from migrants), is this lack of education, is this a population that has higher numbers of males than females amongst the 18-30 voter? Curious to know as really what you said about your family, bolstered by young liberals, Orban and his views shouldn’t be getting anywhere near landslide victories (even accepting his gerrymandering).
@@leangrypoulet7523 Orban's most "loyal" voters are generally the elderly... And those Hungarians, who doesn't live in Hungary, but in the neighbouring countries like the Transylvanians in Romania. Demographically it's a bit hard to pinpoint who they are, it's a lot easier to say, the "simple minded", or as George Carlin said: the "symbol minded".
Since Orban's regime made a lot of effort to seize all media (usually for the rural coverage, where education and standard of living is generally low), they've been pumping out propaganda that they are the good guys, they protect the country and so on and on... The people believe in him. It became a cult of personality.
This media has the largest coverage. Also, it is really one sided (like FOXNews), left-wing politicians are so rarely seen on it (when they can actually say what they want and not edited the way the system wants), just like 5mins (top) per every election years (every 4th years). Every day you can only hear propaganda coming out of it ("this left-wing devil-incarnate did this, or that"+"the heroic government defended the rights of Hungarians"..etc), but literally zero coverage about anything that would besmirch the regime. So it's not hard to imagine, how is the mindset of the general populace.
So if there's fear implanted into the minds of to people and comes the Great Leader who can save them all, you'll get the picture.
That... And there were a LOT of cheating involved: voters were transferred, left-wing votes ended up on a landfill (yup, it really happened), voters bought (for few thousand HUF.. literally for a few bucks..), or out of fear for loosing a job (mostly public sector workers).
Side note: There is an instituted public work for the rural chronically unemployed, which is makes up quite a lot of job in the rural are. Also, it (in most Fidesz-ruled townships) is literally slavery. People's pay are less than the minimum wage and since their standard of living is so low, even loosing this kind of job would be suicidal. And the Fidesz mayors knows this and make these workers vote in their favor.
@@leangrypoulet7523well immigration can be a good or a bad thing. If peolle don’t want immigration there’s not really anything wrong with that
@@crazyeight9 Nothing wrong with such an opinion at all. When it's wrong is when it's either based on lies, or is cloaked in bigotry and in either case, how it is then voiced and applied, and what that opinion might lead to.
It is amazing that the most hilariously delusional thing said in this piece was Brenda saying she was mostly Commanche lol
What a great illustration of what's goin ' on . Thanks .
T
The guy who says he wants an anti-woke society, then proceeds to describe a 'woke' society. 🙄
5:40 "Im not white" I laughed out loud.
It's sad that she suffers from internalized racism. It's okay to be white.
What's sad is they felt compelled to say that, as if being white is bad..I suppose it is nowadays, thanks to pandering politicians who view everything through a tribal and racial lens. A nation deserves the government it gets.
So many racist, dimwitted white folks from the south will throw in how they’re (whatever percentage) Indian. Its been said in my family. Funny thing, though, my first cousin had one of those 23 & Me DNA tests done, and to the surprise of many, not a drop of Indian. I wasn’t shocked. In fact, it just made me laugh.
Can someone point out to me in the Constitution WHERE it says a family is a man and a woman???
at the Roger Scruton Cafe... 😅 couldnt make this up
Americans fawning over Orban should move here to Hungary for just a year and see and experience what is like to live in his kleptocracy.
They say our country doing well but I woudnt call for example a collapsing healthcare system where preteen kids die from hospital infections after the most routine operations regularly, a success story.
I’m pretty sure those Americans know next to nothing about Hungary and no Hungarians except for Orban.
@Egert Roos dont be naive
@Egert Roos what does that have to do with americans?
What I'm hearing from this fascist (16:40) is: I want freedom of expression for everyone so long as they are not different from me because I am terrified of people who are different. The "tyranny" they describe isn't posed by some external source, but their own cowardice and fear of other people who aren't exactly like him. I honor his right to express himself and I shall express right now that he, and people like him, cannot cease to exist fast enough.
Well said!
17:08 he’s describing the state using its power to control public lives - where have we seen this before ...
"...it's about Hungaria"....she literally just listened to the guy and doesn't know his country's name. She heard something she likes and thinking just stopped.
" a Christian politician can not be racist"
Did thinking ever even start tho?
@@kenbee1957 unlikely...that's the appeal
“I’m not white I’m a native.” Yea sure…🙄
“Why did you bring in race?” Says the woman who voluntary tells him her race.
How can she say she's not a nationalist but then literally say main Great Replacement Theory talking point? Insane.
3:34 I think you chose that person tactically
“I’m not white” 😂 I’d like to see the DNA test in that one
She's not. I don't know what "kamanshi" or whatever she said is, but that is either some gypsy kindred or indian (native american). I'm not going to go on about phenotypes and stuff, but if you were to remove the makeup and hairdos and don'ts I think you would get on the right track pretty fast.
@@tvenningmedia4334 Comanche is Native American Indian. A lot of white peoples in America claim to be Native American as a way of making themselves the victim rather than the oppressor. I was told I was Native American my whole life but my ancestry test showed exactly 0% Native
@@tvenningmedia4334 “I have a little German” most people would say that 99% is not a little 😂😂
@@TheGreasyGamer american's are insane. Both sides of that poltical spectrum
No one is fully white or black. That's why race is a social construct. Her DNA results would probably surprise you.
INTERVIEWER: "How is the GOP squaring the fact that they've been a small government party for decades with this state-backed Hungarian-style policy?"
REPUBLICAN: "Oh, that's simple, we have no principles and will change our entire belief structure the moment we can make a desperate and naked power grab."
INTERVIEWER: "Ah. Carry on then."
🤣 Thank you so much!
That's perfect!
😂😂😂😂 Wonderful
You're referring
To RINO RepukeLickans ?
@@sharan4700 The same ones run both sides of the infighting, dude.
There's literally no difference save the sponsor list.
Means justify the ends these days. For both parties.
All about party power and therefore those involved getting richer.
😂 if ‘try that in a small town’ was a national policy direction
But what are saying ,they are in the EU ,but do you mention trundner in Canada . People are sick of immigration and because do nothing about somebody will
I would've liked some follow up questions from the reporter like, "Why do you think Hungary is prosperous? How are they doing well compared to the rest of Europe?" I feel like everyone is just reciting general non-detailed statements from the prime minister saying, "Hungary is doing very well. We're very prosperous." Ok....let's all stop nodding our heads and ask for the details. But I guess it's easier to go along with statements that don't challenge your beliefs than asking for the evidence.
It isn’t personal economic prosperity that they care about. It isn’t even about the country’s economy either. It is the culture war issue prosperity that they care about a lot more.
The important question - if Viktor is at CPAC, who is taking care of the minions?
I also thought Viktor sounds like Gru 🤣
His brownshirts.
The Gazpacho
Hungaria is beautiful this time of year
Hungary also ranks 36th out of 50 European nations in life expectancy.
"this is about his country. this is about hungaria"
i know this isn't the most important line throughout this, but i just had to point it out
I just came to that point in the video...smh.
Well Magyarország is a little tricky to say.
Hungary last year got a ban from hosting the euros for racism. Then Orban encouraged his people to boo the England players taking the knee for racial injustice. Similar issues at the Hungarian grand prix with state enforced/encouraged racism and homophobia over the years
XD we hungaryans cant be racist
And then we beat England twice
"many said they thought they were allowed under the new law" - ignorance of the law is not a defence
Without even watching the video yet, they've always been attracted to isht like that. These are people who are weirdly *obsessed* with toughness, masculinity and manliness due to whatever obnoxious insecurities they're trying to cover up. Oftentimes it's as simple as reactionary "not in my backyard" nonsense in response to increased diversity, and that diversity doesn't even have to be anywhere near them. It could be increased diverse representation in media, while everything in their little world bubble is the same as it's always been.
These people are literally afraid of everything that's unfamiliar to them, and so naturally they lash out in one way or another, and we're seeing that lash out manifest itself by far-right fringe s🤬 being normalized.
Add in the privilege factor of people who never had to deal with any adversity... It makes people either be fine with or not even notice the obvious hate and bigotries of the movements they're joining. Typical _...equality feels like oppression_ crybully type stuff.
I thought this was going to be about Eddie Hall, Brian Shaw, Hafthor Bjornsson and other Strongmen and I'm hugely disappointed.
Me too
definitely a misleading title
The reporter missed a good opportunity at 12:00 to ask "What past would conservatives in the US try to appeal to make people feel proud?"
The era when the economy wasn’t dogshit
@@Pissoff56 you mean before Trump took office and a pandemic brought the global supply chain to a halt?
@@Pissoff56 Maybe they should be striving for an era when democracy wasn't in the toilet thanks to some orange lunatic.
@@Pissoff56 So During and SHORTLY after Democratic Presidencies?
@@Pissoff56 According to Forbes Obama’s last 3 years of job growth was higher than Trump’s best year. How many times did we hear Trump’s lie that he built the “strongest economy in the history of the blah blah blah”? The economy was stronger under three other presidents including Bill Clinton.
Hungary a very prosperous country? That sound you hear is the majority of Europe laughing right now! I bet not a single one of them could point to it on a map.
Am I the only one that thought “Weightlifting Strongmen” not “Political Strongmen”
I was really hoping to see some huge jacked hillbilly with a magahat lifting cars like they were boxes of Kleenex
Many of the intereviewees seem to fall into one of two categories: fearful/gulliblle (dare I say, "racist") or the people looking to cash in and use the first group.
Of course. They know that they're horrible people. They're fighting to normalize that horribleness so that they don't feel so ostracized.
But in the meantime, they're also (generally) aware that nobody really likes them or their ideology, so its unsurprising that they'd be a bit tentative - especially when they're made aware that they're speaking to left-leaning media (and it seems like these interviewers weren't trying to hide that fact. Which is good. "Gotcha" interviews can be funny and all, but they're also kind of mean spirited and I'm not really a fan of tricking people into making fools of themselves, even those who are legitimately fools in the first place).
Our future is truly frightening.
Nothing unites people more than a common group for everyone to hate.
~ Pushkin
Mostly I’m Comanche 😂😂😂😂😂😂 THAT WOMAN WAS DEFINITELY A BORED HOUSE WIFE IN HER DAYS
It's funny that she chose commanche, too...
Why? Because they love fascism. That has been obvious for years, they are just now really able to act on it.
Calling Others FASCIST
is what FASCISTS Do
Really Well !
@@sharan4700 Oh wow, a cobbled together post that manages both nonsensical syntax and bare bones talking points! This will convince the masses that authoritarian rule is fine, I'm sure.
@@sharan4700 Sometimes fascists call others "fascist" because they don't have any objective points to make and they are projecting. Sometimes other people call fascists "fascist" because they are. If a group is trying to undermine democracy with racism, xenophobia, and violence, they deserve to be called fascists.
They have always been somewhat able to act on it. I mean, look at the American conservatives of the 1960s and earlier decades, their policies (some of which were actually enforced by legal means) are borderline nazism. Segregation, attacks on black citizens and those whites who supported the black community, racial and homophobe slurs shouted at LGBT members and black folks, even from politicians...
Fascism is closer to communism than any modern nationalism. Typical iberal womanb who don't know anything about anything :) Do you have any inner conversation?