What does the caller represent by calling flop and calling / 3 betting turn ? Exactly a suited broadway. So the last player in the action could call with QJ+
I might try this in a low-stakes tournament, if stacks are relatively even, rebuys are over, and we are anywhere close to the money. Otherwise I'm just calling and hoping to hit my twelve (eleven? three?) outer on the river. Then again, in low stakes tournament, I'm all about having a tight image (I look like an OMC), so....
Oh if I could take this call and do it all over again 🙈😂. I hate my logic on the turn and after having more time to think about the hand I think I was trying to use the ace to my advantage being the UTG raiser preflop. Thank you Bart for having me on it was fun to discuss a hand with another person as I have very few friends who play poker!
I can believe that it did get through because these games in the UK can play overly cautious but when you reason out the hand like you did A4 should be calling all day long. I'm not sure the bet would get through all the time.
The callers logic the entire way was pretty inconsistent. Not raising flop to drive out better hands because he might hit his draw, thinking button could have less than 2 pair+ when they raised over 2 people, especially considering the button is a tight player, and the reasoning for jamming being that he didn’t want to brick out on the river so if someone called he wanted fate to decide, were all strange
I would agree with your points on the poker, I'm not sure if the abuse is warranted for someone who calls in, I don't think encourages new people to call in from different abilities. We are all a different stages in our poker journey and you have to start somewhere.
The line didn't make sense at all, as mentioned you can't call on 2 streets on draw heavy board looking like you are chasing a draw and then decide to represent the set once the pot gets big.
The thing I like about this hand is that it demonstrates something that many players lose sight of at times. ANY play in poker CAN work. The fact that it worked says nothing about if it was correct.
I think I raise the flop & honestly you should call/call turn but I might even consider folding... equity has gone down a lot. Draw heavy line from hero too, not gonna get a lot of folds.
I think if hero is familiar with BTN's game and knows he can get him to fold hand like A4 this is super profitable jam, bb will have single J like QJ J10 very often and should NEVER ever call a jam with a guy behind.
This caller referred to the Button player as a "younger guy, maybe a few years older than himself." However when I first heard caller's voice I thought he was over 50 years old!! Is this caller actually in his 20's or 30's??
I'm kind of a tight player but if I had the button's hand i'm never folding. But I'm probably raising the Flop and there's a strong chance I could have taken it down there. Kind of wish I could see the river so we could see what ultimately would have happened.
As a historical note, England & Scotland have a huge and long history of gambling Golf was invented as a game to bet on Queen Mary lost 1/3 of her wealth playing cards The American proclivity for gambling has its source in the Old World
How slow.was this call? Basically nothing happened and they talked nonsense. Caller pretty much had no idea. His thinking all the way thru made no sense...why this call was so hard to listen to
OOOOMMMMGGGGG. Button folds A4 two pair hahahahahhaaha. Felt like in game that hero was representing AcXc, the suited ace w clubs. Hero takes a very fishy line to back jam, seems super strange to me. Insane they BOTH folded lolllll. Yep Bart agrees as I’m typing this hahaha what a hand 😅
The difference in poker culture in Europe/UK is purely about disposable income. Very few people in the UK can afford to lose hundreds of pounds at poker every week.
U.K. games are a little bit weird, I'm not sure where this "strategy" came from or why it exists, but leading small into multiple people, oop with their entire range regardless of circumstance isn't that uncommon hahahaha!I I think it's from tournament players because I've noticed it in it's extremes from people who just got knocked out and sat down, I'm saying this but I really haven't played since covid but that's how it used to be
What do you think of the button's decision and was the caller's play genius or reckless?
I think the caller's decision was horrible. It's so easy for him to have just three outs against A-X of clubs.
What does the caller represent by calling flop and calling / 3 betting turn ? Exactly a suited broadway. So the last player in the action could call with QJ+
I might try this in a low-stakes tournament, if stacks are relatively even, rebuys are over, and we are anywhere close to the money. Otherwise I'm just calling and hoping to hit my twelve (eleven? three?) outer on the river. Then again, in low stakes tournament, I'm all about having a tight image (I look like an OMC), so....
Then again, I'm raising on the flop, and I doubt either hand is calling me.
Zero issue with his play, obviously a nitty game based on the sizing.
Oh if I could take this call and do it all over again 🙈😂. I hate my logic on the turn and after having more time to think about the hand I think I was trying to use the ace to my advantage being the UTG raiser preflop. Thank you Bart for having me on it was fun to discuss a hand with another person as I have very few friends who play poker!
thanks for calling in, as someone from canada, its interesting hearing about hands from the uk.
Button shouldn’t have folded, but BB has Ac so he pretty much thinks he’s going against a set
I can believe that it did get through because these games in the UK can play overly cautious but when you reason out the hand like you did A4 should be calling all day long. I'm not sure the bet would get through all the time.
The callers logic the entire way was pretty inconsistent. Not raising flop to drive out better hands because he might hit his draw, thinking button could have less than 2 pair+ when they raised over 2 people, especially considering the button is a tight player, and the reasoning for jamming being that he didn’t want to brick out on the river so if someone called he wanted fate to decide, were all strange
I would agree with your points on the poker, I'm not sure if the abuse is warranted for someone who calls in, I don't think encourages new people to call in from different abilities. We are all a different stages in our poker journey and you have to start somewhere.
@@haydenballard4894 fully agree with that should be a good learning experience the call for sure.
@@jaganyogendran5238 edited original comment to be a little less brutal
The line didn't make sense at all, as mentioned you can't call on 2 streets on draw heavy board looking like you are chasing a draw and then decide to represent the set once the pot gets big.
@@jaganyogendran5238abuse? He said his logic was inconsistent. That’s about as nice as you can be here lol
I have never seen someone that would fold 2 pair in this spot🤯
The thing I like about this hand is that it demonstrates something that many players lose sight of at times. ANY play in poker CAN work. The fact that it worked says nothing about if it was correct.
Funny barts c spade logo makes me think of an inverted knight chess piece
I think I raise the flop & honestly you should call/call turn but I might even consider folding... equity has gone down a lot. Draw heavy line from hero too, not gonna get a lot of folds.
Wow, in a 1-2 game I would think btn would call and the bb would over call.
Ya games are tougher outside the US 👀
A4 lol
I think if hero is familiar with BTN's game and knows he can get him to fold hand like A4 this is super profitable jam, bb will have single J like QJ J10 very often and should NEVER ever call a jam with a guy behind.
This caller referred to the Button player as a "younger guy, maybe a few years older than himself." However when I first heard caller's voice I thought he was over 50 years old!!
Is this caller actually in his 20's or 30's??
I was shocked when he said that for exactly the same reason 😂
Yes I am in my 20s 😂😂
I'm kind of a tight player but if I had the button's hand i'm never folding.
But I'm probably raising the Flop and there's a strong chance I could have taken it down there.
Kind of wish I could see the river so we could see what ultimately would have happened.
In GB bookie is called a ‘Turf Accountant’ 😂
This hand blows my mind
As a historical note, England & Scotland have a huge and long history of gambling
Golf was invented as a game to bet on
Queen Mary lost 1/3 of her wealth playing cards
The American proclivity for gambling has its source in the Old World
By calling a 1/4th bet on the turn u really cap ur range. What can u credibly rep with a back jam???
How slow.was this call?
Basically nothing happened and they talked nonsense.
Caller pretty much had no idea.
His thinking all the way thru made no sense...why this call was so hard to listen to
How old is this call?
Can’t believe hero jams on turn lol…. Can’t wait to hear this ending 😅
OOOOMMMMGGGGG. Button folds A4 two pair hahahahahhaaha. Felt like in game that hero was representing AcXc, the suited ace w clubs. Hero takes a very fishy line to back jam, seems super strange to me. Insane they BOTH folded lolllll. Yep Bart agrees as I’m typing this hahaha what a hand 😅
Just bought my ticket to fly to Scotland....lol. The issue you a license to printo money it looks like...:)
The difference in poker culture in Europe/UK is purely about disposable income. Very few people in the UK can afford to lose hundreds of pounds at poker every week.
No American rec player will fold these. I suppose Scottish recs aren’t quite as loose? If so then this back-raise might make more sense then we think
Lewis is the fish that shows up every day
U.K. games are a little bit weird, I'm not sure where this "strategy" came from or why it exists, but leading small into multiple people, oop with their entire range regardless of circumstance isn't that uncommon hahahaha!I I think it's from tournament players because I've noticed it in it's extremes from people who just got knocked out and sat down, I'm saying this but I really haven't played since covid but that's how it used to be
The flop bet was 7, the other two can absolutely have any two cards.
So yeah, in Europe there aren't recreational players, proceeds to show a hand where two players fold aces up on the turn 😂
Terrible shove…only to be surpassed by more terrible folds.
Glad the nits folded
Crazy lucky
They BOTH folded aces up???? Lmfao 🤣