Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg faces heat in Congress over 737 Max crashes - 10/30/2019
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- Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg testifies at the House Transportation Committee hearing after Boeing executives admitted to lawmakers in a tense hearing on Capitol Hill on Tuesday that the company made mistakes in developing its troubled 737 Max plane.
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Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg faces heat in Congress over 737 Max crashes - 10/30/2019
I am an aircraft mechanic. All I know is, aircraft are so safe because of redundant critical systems. The MCAS didn't have any redundancy and only relied on 1 sensor. BIG MISTAKE. Boeing is 100% at fault and rather divert the questions they need to accept they made a mistake and move forward OR rather admit they ignored the issue all together. It’s going to be very hard to explain why one of the leading aircraft manufacturers in the world missed this issue. My assumption was It must have cost too much money!!! Everything is about the all mighty dollar and aircraft schedule, until someone gets killed. Every aircraft I ever worked on has had multiple points of fail-safe protocols when it comes to safety of flight systems. An example would be two flight data computers, multiple AOA probes, multiple copies of systems, everything that has the ability to bring a plane down has multiple copies which creates redundancy. Redundancy creates the safest airplane because things WILL fail and when they do, you want to have a backup system to keep the plane flying until it gets to the nearest airport. Sometimes these events are emergency related and require the plane to land immediately. It’s a shame and I am disappointed in Boeing. My opinion is this, Boeing realized the MCAS was not designed properly on the first crash but with so many aircraft already built, modifying the MCAS system would affect scheduling. Not only would scheduling fall behind it would cost a tremendous amount of money to ground all Boeing's until the MCAS systems were fixed. So, scheduling and cost were two leading factors in this event. I also conclude that the FAA didn't know about the single fail point because they would have grounded all aircraft immediately. The FAA would have issued an emergency Airworthiness Directive. The AD would have had to be complied with before the aircraft could fly again. I know Boeing knew about the problem because I have worked for manufacturers. I know the process and I know what’s more important to them and its schedule and money NOT safety. Safety becomes a priority only when big accidents like this happen. Hence, the safety programs Boeing spontaneously developed AFTER the accidents. I have never heard of a proactive company! WHY? because you put money before the problem. Companies prefer to put the problem before money until something bad happens. Then its false apologizes and we made a mistake. There is a difference between mistake and gross negligence. In this case, I will let you decide.
I agree with you, it was criminal how they overlooked the flaws. Furthermore they responded to both crashes by blaming the pilots knowing that they were not at fault. Boeinging attempted to cover it up not once but twice which in my opinion should hold them criminally negligent in regards to the safety of the plane that resulted in lives being lost due to their failure to correct the problem from the start. Boeings actions are a direct result of the poor souls being killed. Why were certain congressman sympathetic to the CEO and his staff? The CEO and his team did not really care about what they did because they responded poorly to both crashes. One congressman eve stated they he could see the looks on their faces and could tell how bad they felt about the tragedy that occurred. BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT they should have been tougher on the CEO and his team
@@billy33365 They genuinely felt bad... for themselves, having to sit there for 5 hours and answer a lot of uncomfortable questions.
...FIRED ....but then Dennis Muilenburg rewarded a $60,000.000 departure payout?????? Shouldn't there be some PUNITIVE ACTION taking place rather than a REWARD?? What "example" does this set for the next ceo???? All the "next" ceo has to do is get the job. No matter what he or she does, they know they're going to get a big "PAY DAY" if they screw up badly enough that they're going to get fired. IS THERE EVER GOING TO BE ANY PUNITY FOR THESE ....CON ARTIST/CRIMINALS?????
If anyone suggests that they "could" face criminal charges ....what do they care. The legal system is set up to first delay, delay, delay, delay, delay ....until such time as everyone has forgotten about the issue ...particularly GOSSIP SOCIAL MEDIA ......and it literally dies on the vine with little or anything being done. Actually more like the culprit dies of old age/natural causes. I guess that's what the $60,000,000 is for ....his lawyers.
In this case, former Boeing Chief Executive Officer Dennis Muilenburg is joining Monarch Tractor as of Dec 14, 2020.
AND NOW ...."Feb 18, 2021 - Muilenburg is now the CEO and chairman of New Vista Acquisition Corp. ... In this role, Muilenburg will be largely free from shareholder oversight." "...newly incorporated in the Cayman Islands, which will seek to invest in “emerging and transformational technologies.”
Anyone get any impressions about the character of this guy? Sleazy snake-oil salesman comes to my mind. The kinda guy wealthy sleazy investors are interested in.
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If Dennis was a bro he would be in jail by now.
Mcas active for 10 seconds out of 12 min flight ... controlled flight into the ground .
If your going to implement safety systems that rely on a single sensor with zero redundancies for safety, then pilot training on how to override the program needs to be very clear.
The cut pilot training because they made a million dollar guarantee to their customers that there would not be additional training required.
Also they did not need to make those agreements, but their salesman were scared
Poor guy. I feel sorry for Dennis. He was forced out with nothing but a $62M going away package. "Oh the humanity!"
62M is nothing for those guys
Doing his best to just talk but give no answers
Just like politicians huh, aka the senators asking the questions.
4:14:49 is pretty good
He did not hold back on Mr. Muilenburg
Fuck yeah. 👍
You can literally tell the difference who has been paid by Boeing and who has not.
Mind pointing out who has been paid?
@@DM-qg4bi The man lying. Open your eyes.
They're all dictated by the "STOCK MARKET "!!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
@@ttdenadaabba2149 but not when it´s about dead humans... come on, they have families too.
Why isn't Jim McNerney on there? Wasn't it at his watch when many of the decisions were made?
What’s crazy to me is if this was on U.S. soil someone would be going to jail.
This is literally going on in the United States' congress...
thumbs up for dude in the back with the grey beard
Saul Berenson from Homeland kid brother
I think this grey beard dude was a former Boeing employee.... 4:40:40
@Nicolas ... you are correct. Hang on... it’s about to get real interesting
Wow, Mr. Cohen truly had a responsible heart for the families! Such a MAN!
We will evaluate, are evaluating and reviewing ,,, yak yak yak. MCAS would not have been needed if the plane was properly designed in the first place. In other words, MCAS was a compromise on safety to ensure 737 MAX8 has an economical plane to compete with Airbus.
just excuses from Boeing .....hope the responsible goes to jail
Money is power that's why no one will go to jail
@@James-bc1jk why should power still count if there are hundreds of LIFES lost !?! Their power will break down if this happens again, so I don’t understand your reasoning.
Appreciate being able to witness this hearing
Well, Well, Well ............................................$ A I D .
Imagine Dennis Mulienburg being black, well by now if Dennis where to be a black man he ends up in federal prison by now.
Yes you see all the layers of US corruption, NEVER buy US if you value life
The root cause of these accidents is ... greed!!! Boeing wanted to beat the new redesigned Airbus 320 neo (which sold in great numbers) with the Boeing 737 MAX. But instead of redesigning the ancient 60s design 737 airframe to accommodate the new heavy bigger efficient engines (as they SHOULD have to), they rushed out the Max retrofitted with the engines in a place that made the whole plane inherently INSTABLE, tilting it up. So Boeing designed a flight critical software fix, called MCAS, to deal with it (based on a single sensor!!) in order to rush the Max to the market to beat Airbus. MCAS failed spectacularly, causing the deaths of more than 340 people, preventable deaths. Boeing has chosen profits above safety, and they should be punished severely for it.
there is a switch in the cockpit right next to the trim wheel, why not use it? yea the pilots know this and failed to use their training!
Passions No, these are 100% facts. You are too blind to see them
Passions I think I did my research thoroughly enough, reading articles like this one nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/is-the-boeing-737-max-worth-saving.html . Point is that Boeing used an ancient 737 airframe design with engines it was never designed for and therefore made it unstable. Very logical. It should have redesigned the whole plane, like Airbus did with the 320 Neo, but they tried to milk it out as much as possible, sadly with over 340 people losing their lives.
@@DirtNerds most pilots were NOT given training as per official communications that are now publicly available, they were told that this airplane functions just like the older 737 planes. but it didn't. and they have a whole of 10 seconds after take off to disable the mcas which they didn't.
its a shame
don't take the side of the faceless corporate monsters who don't care about you, but only about the benjamins
fight for the people who are just like us, who lives at the mercy of these people
I live in the UK you could not pay me to fly on that plane.I hope this plane never gets back into service.This boeing fela is just full of it his lips move but nothing comes out.
On the contrary, this will be the only plane I would want to always fly. I understand the pain of many for their fears and I must admit the trauma that everyone have. I just think has been working hard on the security of this plane and to me make it the safest plane in the world. And I hope that is a wake up call no only for Boring but also for Airbus and the others. You can't take this lightly when it comes to safety and security.
@@albertgodman some things you just can't fix look at VW they just made it worse.
Yes the cockpit was loud with all these alerts but yet the cockpit voice recorder recorded the pages turning of the pilot's handbook.
underlying problem is the wrong culture of expecting improvement and growth in profits of corporate company like boeing every time and trying to fix hardware problems with software because its cheaper and easier way out. Just like its cheaper to make a new iteration of aircraft than design from scratch.
The actual question should have been why did they fit a bigger engine to an existing body and not design a new aerodynamic balanced body whose center of gravity is not off and the plane nose does not rise?
Suggestion to camera operator: When a Rep asks a question, the camera should be on that rep, when the question is being answered, switch to the person answering the question. It's kinda like tennis. When the QB throws the ball, the camera follows the ball. Maybe put in a second camera if tracking isn't possible.
Isn't this an issue that Boeing implemented a band aid solution for bad design. Moving the engines forward because there was no space to keep them in the same position and then using software to mitigate the change in aerodynamics. Money came first and the race against Airbus instead of safety!
Isn't there a govt agency that certifies the fly ability once a plane rolls off the production line? Don't they do their own set of inspections?
You can see the vice president and CEO talk about their business. They may not care that the people died out there, but the $ 15 million bonuses are just too much to leave the management chair and take on responsibility.
$ 30 million a year is too much for morality. But enough to make Boeing's "learning strategy" worthwhile.
I prefer any honest capitalist who admits to being a capitalist, as one of the morals fooled and stuffs the money in the pockets. This immoral and mendacious management behavior should be regulated in future, and punished.
They couldnt even give a straight answer. Yes or No not a bullshit explanation...
this is called distraction tactics...
This CEO should be put in jail. People die because there is no skin in the game with these people: safety is left to secondary importance in favor of profits. After 346 people are killed, you still retain your job and your milionaire bonuses.
@addonnisqt off course. They have several MAX grounded, and you expected Boeing to get profits THIS year? I thought it would be implicit that the CEO got bonuses in the previous years, and if he does not resign, he still may be able to get more bonuses when Boeing returns to profits.
@addonnisqt How much blood money are you getting paid to shill? Whatever it is, it will never be enough to buy you out of hell.
People that are so miss informed are always the loud mouths and call for jailing of people.
@@DirtNerds 0.5 Boeing bucks deposited into your bank account.
@addonnisqt watch this video. It's very clarifying about the bonus issue: th-cam.com/video/8yFPdanaKhc/w-d-xo.html
Acting as a CEO for the most influential company in the US after a crisis like this must be tough. That doesn't warrant a $80m golden parachute though.
The composure of these 2 execs amazes me
This isn't a hot seat...it's a flaming, glowing ball of plasma. Damn, I'm glad that ain't me.
Of course the CEO is not going to resign, if he does he admits..... guilt....and then be easily prosecuted , he’s safer in the hot seat for now, and might be able to wiggle out of the mess?
Takeaway: Boeing CEO exhibits breathtaking levels of cluelessness.
It’s amazing....they not sure about this or about that...we’ll get back to you....I was not aware of that....it goes on and on?
@@The12thSeahorse it is a hidden war strategy to distract the enemy from his goal focus so that one can win by playing incapable so that the enemy uses less weapons on them believing they are inferior.
Who briefed some of these congressman and women?
Someone who said they have 1000’s of flight hours said an AOA indicator is a maintenance thing. What?! What will a maintainer do with an AOA indicator?
It appears to me that everybody thought the AOA sensor malfunctioned in the Lion Air and Ethiopian Air crashes. I believe the AOA sensor was giving out the correct signal in both accidents. Both accidents happened at take off. The AOA sensor would be giving out a signal that indicates a high angle of attack. It is the software that interprets the signal as a stall condition.
Boeing's latest changes to put in two sensors and to limit the trim is not enough to guarantee safety because they have not got to the root cause. To distinguish a take off condition from a stall condition, the MCAS needs an altitude input so that it knows whether the plane is climbing or falling. If the plane is climbing, it's take off and MCAS should do nothing. If the plane is falling, then it's stalling and MCAS should trim the nose up.
If the original design of the MCAS has no altitude input, this would be the root cause of the accidents. If the latest changes to the MCAS still don't have an altitude input, Boeing engineers are amateurs!
I don't think this is the case, else it would have happened to every other 737 MAX. MCAS starts activating when the flaps are retracted. As I understand it, the flaps are definitely not retracted during takeoff.
I don't think you are correct in any way or form
NOT ABOUT PEOPLE ABOUT MONEY
John Hamilton has Gary Shandling's voice.
Clear example of, "if its not broken, don't fix it!"
Barbara Mascaro following the Lion Air crash, it’s more "if it’s broken, put your head in the sand and pretend it never happened"
That's Laverne's brother.
gave up long term success for short term gains. Absolute horrible end to this company that used to be the standard in the aviation industry back in Seattle. Sad that the stock price was more important than the safety of hundreds of people. How can you not put more caution into your products as if you were making dishwashers. I mean some people shouldn't be in charge of running businesses.
Should watch the Frontline documentary called BOEINGS FATAL FLAW. It's excellent.
1:37:42 - 1:40:15 Brilliant exchange dude tried to weasel around his questions and he would grill his ass even harder
The business USED to be safety and quality. The merger with McDonnell Douglas ended that.
40:36 I don't think the guy in the back right agrees with Mr. Muilenburg
to the lady interviewing, you do not giggle... when saying "ethical issues"... wtf is wrong with you... so damn unprofessional....
zzzz. this is all a bunch of shit to try to make the victims families feel better , and to put a little bit of pressure on on Boeing to say they " did something"
wake me up when there is a criminal trail .. thats all there needs to be .
Boeing set aside 100M for the victims. That's roughly 240k per death.
Boeing set aside 20B for the shareholders via share buybacks. Boeing
also froze pensions for 68,000 employees back in 2014. Boeing’s pension
plan remains substantially underfunded. On June 30, 2019, Boeing had
$14.8 billion in net pension liabilities on its books. Yet, they spent
20B in cash to buyback shares of stock. WHO DO YOU THINK BOEING CARES
ABOUT?? THE FEW OR THE MANY? Top .001% shareholders made billions. Top
management made hundreds of millions. EMPLOYEES, PASSENGERS, all got
SCREWED. Welcome to the USSA comrades!
please site your source for these numbers
@@DirtNerds the numbers are widely reported, as well as stated in these hearings.... you should try watching them... or if you did, you should pay attention.
The 15 million dollar bonus was a result of the huge savings and earnings for stockholders as a result of the huge cost cutting measures which resulted in a deadly airplane.
so many Boing fanbois in congress, Boing couldn't even sell a realistic simulator to Ethiopian Airlines. at about 1:19:30 Boing said they didn't know what simulators Ethiopian had, they had a max simulator while no US airline had one and still don't but the simulator is such a pile siht that they can't repeat the problems they and Lion Air had. simulators have to be subject to air regulations as well so again Boing should be subjected to criminal action. when a Volkswagen executive gets 7 years for exhaust emissions cheating a Boing exec should get 20 yrs for killing people.
Mr. Graves is on Boeing’s pay cheque for sure.
Atleast add a button where u can over ride the system and just tell the pilots just press this button its simple if they wanted to be so stingy and only add 1 sensor that's the most most stupid thing ever even a child knows 1 sensor isnt enough for a system that has so much power if it was something small another thing but this sensor was in charge of someting so powerful even with 2 sensors I wouldn't feel safe to be honest their should be a button to over ride it
Dude should be in jail, not 60 million dollars richer
I think this grey beard dude was a former Boeing employee.... 4:40:40
@Nicolas that is a correct assumption
Saving money and yet they never questioned lionair actions what a joke...
They where more than mistakes… They where negligent and criminal actions fostered by a change in company ethos after a destructive corporate merger (IMO). Any A&P, Mechanical/Aerospace engineer, etc. will tell you that the #1 dogmatic rule in aircraft type design is assurance of redundancy in all flight safety critical components… This is an ethos that even the most junior engineer with limited experience and any ethics whatsoever will tell you is day 1 systems criteria that must be met. The fact that they relied on a single source Alpha vane to activate MCAS and then further increased its THS authority to 2.5 degrees from the original .6 and also expanded its activation boundary to slower IAS conditions is just so counterintuitive to me I can’t even find the words to adequately express how shocking such a decision is. Maybe it’s because this is what I do for a profession, but still to this day after nearly 4 years it still bothers me. Then the later acts of trying to bury its existence and having almost no references to such a powerful system in the FCOM is just absurd. I understand the argument that they assumed the crew would follow the normal stab trim runaway procedures, but it’s one thing to have this assumption when MCAS was only intended to be in a high speed/high altitude/high bank angle regime when there is A LOT more time to react to such an event, grab the QRH and run the checklists… but to continue this assumption when it was extended to be active in the low speed regimes (takeoffs & landings) when you have mere seconds to diagnose and react to such a situation is just outright criminal.
This guy is as evil as the devil himself, horrible man he can never have a heart he just can't be human.
The real question is MCAS is such a crucial system for MAX, why is it sub contracted out to a 3rd party company for programming?
alexperez85 Did they hire an Indian company for that? I guess they are cheap.
@@moow950 yup.. Tech Mahindra
i love the flight side of boeing but the reality is up there.can we not get the people that outed themselves and suffered by boeing.
26:31 Kylian Mbappe
As far as i have heard from colleagues and read the papers... we will all soon need to fly with completely automated airplanes. They want to save money instead of having it to pay to pilots. We will soon be brought across the states by pure robotic planes.
Graves needs to stay to the point, Stop Blaming China and Airbus. Airbus has not killed anyone.
Now that were in 2024, Boeing has fallen thanks to this pervert
He murdered hundreds of people yet he'll never see a day in jail
because the people wanted cheap tickets. If people want authentic saftey, they need to pay 10 times more. This is the thinking.
I can't help it but this guy Mr Grave must be bribed. The things he is 'defending' over opposing and incorrect facts is just mind blowing. For example at around 16:00 minutes were he says the Airbus system can not be shut off... Of course it can but you have to know how and when to do it. It is well documented. And although pilots failed to do the right procedure in the past (Air France 447) this doesn't make him any more trustworthy.
He is a disgrace for such a Committee.
Hes deffo on boing payroll
Full power-on, power-off, and full stalls in a bank are still taught. Spins? No. Airplanes should have ALL been grounded as soon as reports about MCAS and trim malfunctions began rolling in. A bulletin? No bulletins. Boeing should have grounded the jet out of good faith before all these problems and before the FBI/Justice department got into the mix.
Big scandal !! MCAS suck
Hai
Mr Cohen settle down lol. You dont have a clue ...
he needs to take a pay cut
Indonesian air wtf mcas didn’t fail trim wheel moving you act regardless weather it’s a max or not. Mcas repeated 15 times but they went to a holding pattern lol
Sirs, Documents should not be made public
Muilenburg should be fired. Period. Liar liar pants on fire. Quality and safety are not top priority. Claiming that he doesn't know the company's legal strategy? No way in he ll.
human factor - unbounded greed
Yes, they indirectly revealed their true intent.
Why hasn't he resigned?!
Because he loves his 30 million dollars a year salary 💰
Graves is a boeing spy
or a schill
the bearded guy in d background is really frustrated by the boeing answers and he looks like he wants to jump up but then he will be ejected..maybe he should be listened to ??
as a boeing employee whistle blower you are history.
Boeing with their experience should never make this kind of blunder just should not happen, This 737 MAX killed 346 people that just can't be forgiven this plane need to be put down like an animal that has killed someone it is very hard to just get over what has happened, so really I don't care if it is the safest plane in the air after the fix . think that it is my duty to look after the lives lost and not fly and Boeing Aircraft this is very very personal to so Boeing to is dead
Agreed and the reason they have that MCAS is because that thing will fall out of the sky without it cause of design flaws; this plane is doomed, imagine if it has engine problems in a middle of a flight where other planes would be able to glide to the next available airport this Max won't; for that reason alone I will never set my foot on that plane no matter how they advertise its safety just don't buy it
muilenburg is not answering the direct question he is like political puppet.
that muillenberg would make a good poititian answering shit.
I bet he was forced to be retired
this is a joke, nothing will happen to this CEO nor Boeing, they will keep their contracts and everything will be forgotten
then we, the passengers, have to act consequently
@@sylviadivinora2286 exactly, so. We just never enter 737 max ever again, period. It hurts them more than a fine because reputation takes more money away than a one time high punishment fee.
Murderers!
The guy in the beard nodding his head does not agree with anything the Boeing boys are saying!!!
They panel should make him talk.....definitely he knows something...
@Ablot Ogan... oh he knows lots of things and has supporting documentation about the executive leadership’s malfeasance and dereliction of duties. More will be revealed...
Boeing set aside 100M for the victims. That's roughly 240k per death.
Boeing set aside 20B for the shareholders via share buybacks. Boeing
also froze pensions for 68,000 employees back in 2014. Boeing’s pension
plan remains substantially underfunded. On June 30, 2019, Boeing had
$14.8 billion in net pension liabilities on its books. Yet, they spent
20B in cash to buyback shares of stock. WHO DO YOU THINK BOEING CARES
ABOUT?? THE FEW OR THE MANY? Top .001% shareholders made billions. Top
management made hundreds of millions. EMPLOYEES, PASSENGERS, all got
SCREWED. Welcome to the USSA comrades!
If you don't like this model, you get GTFO and go live in Venezuela broski!!!
@@Fidellio369 How much blood money are you getting paid to shill for Boeingl? Whatever it is, it will never be enough to buy you out of hell.
these guys look horrible; cannot answer one question directly
It’s a distraction tactic so nobody assumes they just wanted to maximize profits with any means possible.
38:56 That bearded guy at the back made me laugh.
Jedi Mind trickin people 3:06:00
2:30:28 to skip the 15 minute break
its a governments problem, lack or no faa to regulate, no budget, finally under which government did this production happened, of course there is also a weak product as well overall training
They knew MCAS was a killer. The chief test pilot experienced an MCAS activation in the simulator and was unable to save the plane. He submitted an email to management advising that a false MCAS activation could be catastrophic. They buried it.
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies.
The sourcing out of parts and assemblies to unqualified subcontractors, rather than tooling up to manufacture everything in-house to save money, was a monumental mistake.
US has the worst pilot training compared to EU, the requirement for 1500hrs is stupid when it can be 1500 cropduster hours. I got so tired when I hear the arrogant US... we are the best, we are the industry std. Nope
When one of the top engineers said that the line needed to be stopped to fix problems and that military plane production would be stopped for much less, he was told that the military is not a for-profit entity.
It shows great transparency when they show up with a team of lawyers.
While I'm not the biggest fan him, you people need to understand Boeing's problems began way back in 1997 right after the McDonnell Douglas logo was inserted next to the Boeing, which we see today as the Boeing logo.... The company needs to function as it did BEFORE 1997, and I'm telling you, it might actually improve things..
The Netflix documentary that just came out highlighted this as a big issue. I would’ve never realised that fair play to you sir for having the knowledge about that
I’ve just come here from the Netflix doc about this. I heard a Boeing top dog claim that American pilots would have been able to right the aircraft after it started malfunctioning and that it was the foreign pilots fault. Though it’s come out they didn’t want any training done not even simulated training. They also never briefed pilots on what MCAS was. So how can they recover from something when they don’t even know what it is. They also had the option of grounding planes but chose not to because it would affect their bottom line. It’s only about money. Money over lives.
Lessons learned, your not at school any more; your an adult. Senate must take action to ensure all the money earned by the CEO and the board is given to the bereaved.
CRASH AND SORRY ... is not the word to say when you have already committed and regrets it ... Boeing should take serious responsibility to rectify these problem that this doesn’t happen in the future .imagine how many planes are on the air from different countries has ordered from Boeing ....people should fly safe doesn matter who makes it ... !!!!
I haven't watched this all the way through but it seems like everybody is overlooking the most basic problem here which is that Boeing took a major shortcut fast-forwarding to a competitive fuel efficient configuration by giving its established stable air frame design of the original 737 going back to 1967 a giant boob job. Boing I mean Boeing enlarged the pair of engines, thrust them forward and squeezed them together to give the plane more power. But just as a boob job strain's woman's back because it "counter-naturally" shifts her centre of gravity so too this boob-job shifted the centre of balance of the 737 but since its back is rigid the effect aerodynamically is to destabilize the plane putting it at risk of a stall. For those who don't know what a stall is, the meaning of stall in air flight is the loss of aerodynamic lift as a result of increased pitch whereby the nose pitches up causing the plane to drop out of the sky like a rock. As was mentioned here today's pilots are not taught how to rescue a plane from a stall. Instead they're taught only how to avoid a stall before it happens never learning how to recover from a stall if it happens. It's going to be hard to avoid a stall in a stall prone airplane and even harder to come out of that stall one pilots are not trained to come out of a stall. Many of passenger plane crashes resulted from stall and the inability of a pilot to recognize the stall and to recover from it. Boing I mean Boeing reconfigured the original 737 putting it at risk of stalling when they made the 737 Max. The fact they saw it necessary to implement a software system that would override a stall speaks to Boeing recognizing the catastrophic risk of a stall occurring as a result of the configuration change. If it were not a risk MCAS would ever have been conceived and implemented. Then after they implemented MCAS Boing I mean Boeing saw it fit to increase the intensity of the MCAS effect five-fold from the original configuration. Presumably the original configuration was deemed to be insufficient to save the aircraft from a stall. This yet again speaks to the inherent risk associated with the new 737 Max configuration of heftier boobs squeezed together and thrust forward destabilizing the plane all to increase fuel efficiency and to be able to compete with Airbus. Moreover, where they originally only had MCAS functional at altitude, they then changed it to also function at lower altitudes implying a greater risk associated with the engine reconfiguration at lower altitudes suggesting the risk of stall is greater in the early phases of the flight such as immediately after takeoff. So it's one thing that they compensated for an unstable airplane with a contingency system meant to kick in and compensate for this instability but it's another thing that they did so with little or no communication to the pilots. They admit this system was supposed to kick in in order to simulate the handling characteristics of the previous iterations of the 737 to avoid retraining. And that this system would kick in and out without the pilots even knowing . They minimized or eliminated communicating the implementation of MCAS so they would not have to change the type certification and spend all the time and money retraining pilots which would make airline companies think twice before choosing Boing I mean Boeing over Airbus. And by not communicating or highlighting MCAS they were able to distract from the reality that they took an old airframe and destabilized that airframe putting at risk of dropping like a stone out of the sky. So no matter how well the so-called improvements to MCAS system is, if improving it means reducing its effectiveness you re back to an unstable airframe configuration at risk of stalling. No amount of fine-tuning MCAS, increasing redundancy at point of failures or improving pilot training is ever going to change the fact that the boob job on this plane has made it unstable relative to ideal aeronautic stability or previous iterations of the 737. There is no moral option except to suspend the 737 Max program completely. Although already manufactured 737 Max airplanes need to have a boob reduction, have their engines placed further apart and pulled back to their original position on the wing. This is not rocket science this is kyte flying. Boeing tried to pull a fast one in essence. So-called clever shortcuts and deceptive marketing schemes backfired. This is just the tip of the iceberg shift in corporate culture apathy and greed. We think about all the lost lives. Think about the bewilderment, the shock, and the betrayal those poor pilots must have felt as they fought against this plane that not only resisted their efforts but actively in repeatedly fought against them as if to have a mind of its own. this is beyond negligence or oversight. Allowing this to happen with criminal. 737 Max airplanes should be on display to show how far it can get when a corporations lose sight of what really matters. Boeing went boing - they're strategy backfired as did the two planes that crashed. Boinggg
Indeed. I said the same. It’s just criminal.
@@caesarvizcarraaerodyne8387 thanks. Ok I'll check yours out.
My man, hear hear
I’m sorry but stall recovery is a fundamental part of any flight training so is recognition of stalls so that part is inaccurate. I completely agree with the fact that Boeing in an attempted to keep and grow market share forced the 737 platform beyond the limits it was ever intended to be used. However software being used to create desirable flight conditions isn’t new. The F117 and B2 are prime examples of aircraft using software to increase stability. The issue with MCAS is that the system overrides pilot authority and is not redundant. Also the engines were pushed farther away from each other not closer.
@@cookie125 my understanding based on the dialogue is that stall recognition and recovery has always been part of training but is likely to be phased out displaced by software interception - yet another step away from pilot control as the primary safety function. Ok re the widening of engines away from the fuselage thanks for that correction.
Good thing these guys were throwing the waste away with pauly d. Conflict of instreast much ? #Question3-5#
This Graves is a Republican. Such classism.
2:56:06 Pretty much sums it all up. Ouch
This is America guys, exactly this...! The essence