Think about how many of these whistleblowers are well into their 50s, 60s and have worked in this industry for decades. They were loyal, had pride in their work, and worked hard to do the best job they could do. Testifying before congress against the companies they love, is something they never expected. They will be discredited, threatened and made unemployable but they spoke out to prevent tragedies and save lives.
It’s really dysfunctional how corporate charters issued by the federal government have allowed this to happen. The MFs who recently walked away, walk with millions of dollars. The U.S. needs a culture that doesn’t resent the people who design and build. Who generate the wealth from their labor, creativity and service. The psychopath management was even dividing engineering from the assembly line. I heard it in the attitude of an engineer 15 years ago. This comes from management and the financials. Too much power in those areas.
Not for many public and private employers. Alan Greenspan called it worker insecurity. The insecurity keeps unions out, wages suppressed and benefits in a decline. Where applicable this is good for hedge funds. CEOs are compensated well to focus on this intention. Good for investors, terrible for safe planes.
This is what happens when you let a business or finance major run an ENGINEERING COMPANY. Engineers need to step up and push these business people out of the decision making processes of all industries. Enough is Enough!
as both an engineer and an MBA I will tell you no, it's not always like this, this happens if garbage human beings make decisions, no matter if engineers or business people. Actually a lot of managers and executives are engineers, just switched into the business part.
@jemand8462 I disagree. Once you bring terms such as return on investment, net present value, budget, and simple payback to an engineering company, you've already lost the plot. Engineers design and a real solution. Engineers with an MBA who have now crossed over and become bean counters demand a value engineered option that looks financially better. You remove the value when you value Engineer. If all Engineers stuck with their profession and didn't bring in the cancer of business graduates into a conversation which they don't belong the market will naturally adjust to the increasing costs by seeing the increased quality in product, operations and value.
This is happening in all of engineering. Just so happens that aviation has a much lower tolerance for engineering blunders. Asking MBAs to balance engineering with profits is like asking a cigarette company to balance cancer safety.
You all guys have very valid points to be honest, and I agree with all of your comments. But to be honest; any good engineer understands that Financial goals are a consequence of Customer Expectations met, through excellent Operational Performance by fully capable Manpower. In that exact order. You cannot achieve financial success without the other 3 aspects. While I believe professionals tend to focus only on financials and short term goals, I also believe most of the management positions within these companies are occupied by people who do not have the necessary experience, knowledge and ethics required.
This is unbelievably sad that these CEOs have been allowed to crumble national institutions. The train derailments, the food processing facilities so much destruction that has Black Rock Statestreet and Vanguard connection. There is something very sinister at play its not over it will get worse. #JohnBarnett
@@rustymugg9658 Larry fink literally said he wants to force behaviour in companies or no investors for you. This is basically do what we want in your firms or get cancelled out of investments. Blackmail pure and simple.
I remember watching the interview of the first whistleblower who is now dead. I hope that a proper investigation is happening, because when a huge corporation is involved in something like this, A:It’s listed as suicide and B:Nothing ever happens to the millionaires who orchestrated his death and another whistleblowers death. If no proper investigation happens and the millionaires charged for the 2 deaths, which is very clear who did it because the motive is quite clear, then the american justice system has no more hope.
22:28 "...they are not an independent investigative authority. There is an inherent conflict of interest." History shows when it comes to big business we have a bad habit of letting hungry men run the pie counter.
Dumped all my Boeing stocks I refuse to support a company that operates like this. The government should cancel all their future contracts until these problems are addressed properly. Boeing had every opportunity to do the right thing and they chose money over safety of customers. One of the whistleblowers already committed "suicide" very shady things happening.
I fail to understand why they are speaking at a hearing which purpose is to legislate. The laws exist and are correct. This is about people going against those laws, commiting crimes. Why aren't they at a criminal investigation hearing? This just seems like part of the culprits' "damage control".
@@clarenceghammjr1326 Airlines can change the aircraft without notice, also that event doesn't give passengers the right to get a reimbursement or even change their flight.
@alwynraynott7303actually it is not entirely “out of your control.” You can see what aircraft is being utilized prior to purchasing a ticket. If you see a Boeing on the 1:30 departure and decide the 3:00 departure with the airbus is the better option, then you take the 3:00 with the airbus. Delta primarily uses airbus, Alaska primarily uses Boeing. Stop spreading misinformation.
@@MatiBioticogood, then STOP FLYING... they will go broke long before we will NEED to fly. I haven't flown in 10 years and I'm not going to until this drama gets sorted out and realistically none of you guys need to fly right now. It's a luxury not a necessity.
@@thedivinefeminine1821 That makes sense and I would happily get behind the idea if not for the fact that this will not "get fixed". Boeing never even recognized their fault and we are not all equal in front of the law -shocking news, i know- . This means: they will not be held responsible and they know it. And people is not waiting years on end for a solution that's never coming. It would take far more accidents for fear to overcome the sense of -let's call it- "statistical safety". Also the media coverage in my country about this is next to none. I'm asuming we are not an exception, Most people are never even going to know.
"We all want Boeing to succeed" These people are supposed to scrutinise the people at Boeing that are responsible, not sympathise with them. How hard is it to get the names of people who threatened the whistleblowers and go upstream to find out where it started. 300 planes already operating, but they don't want to alarm the public, so people are supposed to be calm while the plane falls apart midair, that surely will make it better.
Crazy. I've worked as a mechanical engineer in both the Aerospace and Medical device industries for over a decade. Sure there's pressure to hit rate, but I've never been over-ruled or seen a quality engineer be over-ruled when bringing up manufacturing/quality concerns.
I am also an engineer in aerospace for over 40 years ..yes my experience is Electrical and most of Boeing problems are structural but you don't have to be a genius to know they were using cheap mental not compatible for aircraft .. skipping inspection. .wow.. Boeing give up on lives and made their own pockets happy !!
Boy am I glad Embraer refused to be bought by Boeing. There is a culture of excellence in Sao Jose dos Campos, SP. ITA is the hardest polytechnic engineering school to get in, and SENAI trains the floor personnel like no other. They should step up and get a two isle plan in the works.
Embraer really dodged a bullet with that decision. I wish more companies had the wits and wisdom to decline "lucrative deals". Several car companies went under because they sold out too fast or to the wrong bidder. Years back I heard that Saab had struck a deal to be purchased by GM. Apparently both Volkswagen and BMW were interested but GM got the deal. I anticipated GM would just churn out Saab-badged Opels and fail to find a desired niche for the brand aside from its loyal buyers (who did *not* want a Saab-badged Opel or Pontiac/whatever). As it turned out GM did very little to give the brand free reins but kept the brand alive through assisted breathing. Game over. Years back I also said that Boeing would be going the same way as GM. For it adapted the same short-sighted business tactics. Looks like I was right seeing this coming...
@@McLarenMercedes Embraer was the Military Brass protege de mien at the time, late 60’s. It took them the nod to get the bankroll. Many other also runs fell by the way side. They started with orders from the military and eventually grew into commercial airplanes. Most to cover distances on underserved regions. They were fitted with all turbo props at that time. No jet Propulsion. The Xavantes was a two seater single engine for recognizance recognizance missions. Fighter jets were then ordered through Marcel Dassault from France. Now they are supplied by Sweden’s Saab. The Bandeirantes was a single isle , 20-30 passenger for secondary cities and people’s hauler to far fetched regions such as the Amazon basin. They eventually built airplanes like Learjet only to leapfrog them towards commercial aviation. Turbines are still purchased overseas , companies like Rolls Royce and Pratt & Whitney.
Boeing should not tell the FAA what they're going to do as far as procedure's and the FAA should be telling Boeing because you can't trust Boeing to do them correctly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The FAA is as much in this mess as Boeing is. FAA letting Boeing certify significant systems, processes etc. on their own is beyond my understanding. A 30‘ iPad instruction for the typewriting of a 737 Max is just an example of FAA‘s incompetence / understaffing
The FAA claim that they let the Companies police their problems, the problem with that is a lack of oversight and accountability … The FAA need to increase the appropriate Staff numbers qualified to ratify Company policy and enforcement procedures….
Ron Johnson asks about why there's a "discrepancy" between the 2 whistleblowers at around 45:53, one saying it was manufacturing problem, the other saying it was a software problem. The short answer arrives immediately after he asks, then at 50:24 Ed explained how the MCAS related to a manufacturing problem, due to the AOA sensors being improperly wired, and ED just cuts him short!? WTF? Ron, you're given a detailed explanation, and when the most important detail comes, you cut Ed off mid-sentence. That's exactly the problem at Boeing too. Engineers identify specific issues, report it to management, only to be shut down because middle management and executives don't want to meddle in specifics.
This is terrifying. The CEO and all responsible who cut corners in order to make money and in turn made the airplanes unsafe need to be in prison. For life.
I wish I seen this before ... I am an Avionic engineer in aerospace for over 40 years .. I do not work for Boeing and never have ...I started with the military went on to NASA to commercial aircraft... and I and my co-workers all agree..when Boeing aircraft started falling out of the sky we knew right away it was not the pilot or software problems ...Boeing has been cutting back on all materials ... we knew that they have been skipped out on inspection and closing their blind eyes .. to many life's lost to build other pockets !! Good luck on your fight ...I and my co-workers will never fly on a Boeing aircraft and I suggest you should either!!
Well, at least buddies coming out with the truth these are peoples lives up in the air. This is not a recall for a car. This is an airplane up in the air with 300+ lives.
That was fantastic. I know it's only the beginning but it's wonderful to see that officials are determined to unearth the truth. God bless and protect Sam Salehpour for his bravery and dedication.
I was harassed out of Spirit Aerosystems. My certified torque tool were sabotaged by first shift, paper work was falsified to make me look at fault for a fuselage that fell off the train car. The two first shifters were Christians and after I told them I was an Atheist they hated me and didn’t hide it. They turned a dream job into a nightmare. Never again.
You should've went to the Dakotas to drill for oil with the rest of your experienced teammates when you had the chance....that was the excuse Spirit used anyway when they were questioned about their unskilled staff..
Look into mathematics and how it ties into nature I.e. Ancient Greek “golden mean” all things on this earth have the golden ratio in them…. If you can understand this then you understand that there is a creator to all of this space dust that came together “magically” and created all the amazing infinity of all of this….. open your mind my friend… you’ve been lied too. Good luck on your journey There are all kinds of Christian’s out here…
At one point Boeing got sick of me and moved me out of the 787 program into the 777 program. On the 777 program I found problems again 😂That line killed me. Those people who moved him where obviously not very smart.
This sounds familiar. Engineer- You can do THIS but absolutely not THAT. Mechanic- Well THIS doesn't work! Engineer- Okay. Sorry guys, but my manager, the guy that doesn't know how to build airplanes says that thing you absolutely could not do is safe to do now.
I have been through this kind of thing and I can tell you that there are thousands of others who will never be known. Thank you is not enough. These people`s lives are now ruined and the U.S.Government should give them a full retirement package with free medical as a real Thank you. for the rest of their natural life.
Nothing will happen to the board members because these corporations have always gotten away with it. Take deep water horizon, for example, or the Post Office here in the UK, where they put individuals in prison to protect the brand, even though they knew they were innocent. This senator is already talking about this being a learning lesson and brushing it off.
Wow the engineer is obviously traumatized by this experience. If I hadn’t experienced this type of intimidation and harassment in the workplace before I wouldn’t believe it. I believe him because I was in his position before & everyone was whispering and concerned but no one would voice their concerns. Because I was in a leadership role I brought it up privately and the backlash was very public and overwhelming.
I am so very pleased that this information seeking journey is on and actively seeking input from so many brave and intrepid souls.. having already seen short excerpts, I see that this is a SERIOUS undertaking. I bid you all the very best in this pursuit of clarity and transparency. God Speed.
The culture at Boeing is prevalent throughout many industries, its not just limited to Boeing or aviation. Boeing is in the spotlight because their risks have come to fruition. Many many other companies in aerospace, automotive, oil & gas, shipping, you name it, are the same way - driven by short term $ first and foremost. When you get on a non-Boeing plane, you might feel better about it, but it just might be that ignorance is bliss.
Sorry you are so wrong coming from 40 years of experience in aircrafts ... we have per- flight inspection and then we have our own pilots for pre- flight before handing the aircraft to Transport-Canada who has their own pilots and inspectors to re inspection our aircrafts ... each time a job is finished it must be inspected and everything is logged from the beginning to the end !!
@@joanpalermo64 Appreciate your comment, but it doesn't speak to my comment at all? Perhaps you were responding to some other comment and tagged mine by mistake?
The same thing happened with the trucking industry after deregulation then trucking companies started cutting corner's and ran trailer's with crack's in the frame's and ran brake's to long and brake drum's were cracking and falling off the trailer's going down the road and hit car's also running broken spring's on trailer's due to less inspection's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Capitalism incentivices and rewards short term profit. Especially now that companies are bought out by shareholders and the only important thing becomes increasing profits every quarter. We're not gonna go back to the good old times and even if we come near the good old times, after a few years it'll be back at this exact point.
WOW! This is not the first time I've heard stuff like this, let's see where this goes, if anywhere. I know one thing, I won't be flying anywhere! I think all the upper echelon at Boeing need to be held to account and criminally prosecuted!
The legal categories or acts under which intentionally manipulating or bypassing certification processes for aviation equipment could be considered a criminal act include: Fraud: Falsifying documents or misrepresenting the safety standards of aviation equipment with the intent to deceive regulatory authorities or end-users could constitute fraud. Negligence: If the individual knowingly disregarded safety protocols or failed to ensure that the equipment met required standards, they could be charged with negligence, especially if their actions directly contributed to the crash. Endangerment: Endangering the safety of aircraft passengers and crew by knowingly using uncertified or improperly certified equipment could lead to charges of endangerment. Manslaughter or Homicide: In cases where the crash results in loss of life, individuals involved could face charges of manslaughter or homicide if it can be demonstrated that their actions directly contributed to the fatalities. Regulatory Violations: Deliberately violating aviation regulations and safety standards set forth by regulatory authorities constitutes a criminal offense in many jurisdictions.
I know before the pandemic there was a Boeing engineer on a psych unit, admitted for guilt and suicidal ideation after being pressured to press forward with okaying the plane though he had serious concern about issues that allowed that glitch that caused 2-3 maxes to crash that grounded the max.
Senator Johnson (second Sen. to speak) seems to be backing Boeing pretty hard. I wonder if he has stock in the company or if someone just greased his wheel. He was the only one that interrupted, grilled and contested the whistleblowers instead of listening. If you test any planes; test the ones built 1-3 months before Lion air 2018. Can't trust anything produced now as they know they are under the magnifying glass. We must look at what they already sent out because it seems the "F'it push it out the door" phase has been in full effect for quite some time. @ 1:30:00 "They snuck it through the process and it was all about money, it was all about getting those airplanes to southwest and it was all about money... and that's why those people died." -Shawn Pruchnicki, PH.D.
Look of what happened to Titan's submersible CEO who ignored his engineer's advice of vehicle safety. Turned out that the engineer was correct but tragically few lives were lost as a result.
Even if the CEO is replaced , those administration staff need to be reviewed …cause they based their productivity by KPI in an airline industry .. This raises serious issue to the culture and those office staff that are sociopaths and toxic, who gives recommendations and quality control cut backs to save money , ordering top engineers who have more knowledge than them . All cause of bonus pay to meet KPI goals.
What is the Federal Government going to do to protect the whistleblowers? What about the salaries and healthcare that they lose after being fired? What about the executives who allow all these quality defects to exist.
That's what greed gets you, absolut destruction of normal morals and logic. I am happy that there are still people taking the time and energie to try and correct these evil way's, there is nothing wrong making $, but you can do that in a ballanced way without destroying or ruining other peoples lives.
We should look at the AD from the FAA, January 2021, and the FAA approved fix from later that year. All aircraft built before the fix are under an increased inspection regime. This whole meeting is old news. I noticed they didn't invite a qualified aircraft structural engineer, who looked at the design, only quality engineers that testified that the manufacturing documentation did not explicitly specify the steps that were taken. They do not have the qualifications to testify what might happen or if the changes that the design engineers made and approved by the FAA were appropriate.
But it was Boring that hired them to make those checks and voice concerns. So is Boeing purposely hiring people not qualified for the job they are supposed to do. Either way you look at it there is no running away from the fact that Boeing dropped the ball.
The second whitness is spot on in bringing up his fathers work as a criminal investigatoe. What these higherups are doing in ignoring safety and quality control personells warnings is nothing short of manslaughter.
we need to wait for Boeing structural design engineer to say about the defect. Quality engineers just follow the design specifications which are reviewed by the design team. is there any more QA engineers coming out to join Sam Salepour. why is it just him? there are thousand and thousand Quality engineers at Boeing. i want to hear of other quality engineer's testament.
Because they don't want to be threatened with death lollll. It's obvious why people aren't coming forward. You know the other whistleblower was shot? He said if I go, it wasn't me. They don't want to end up like him.
The US govt should buy Boeing and fund it. We can't afford to loose our scientists and engineers who design such complex machines. Students should not be discouraged from studying Aerospace engineering.
Great testimonies; Sen. Hawley is not helping by leading Sam into shock statements and serving his own agenda and this grandiose statements of whos getting paid more or less. Disgusting.
I am from. Norway,,but this is scary as he…..why is not the top leaders ,bosser,ceo++++ of the boing company that Are responsble for hiding treatening and disregard all saft pointed out on the diffrent flymode pointed out bythe safty plane inegeeners ,,why Are thees top ceo that Are responsblefor theese intentinal WrongDoings That has led to theese tragic and unnesseseies plane craches&adeaths of hundredes passengerwhy Are not the ceo,bosses++++ been prossecuted and put in jail??
THIS is the reason why I no longer fly if I can help it. The majority of planes no matter what company logo is on the outside are Boeing built aircrafts.
Looks at all the Jack Welch protégé. They are the CEOs of all failed companies. Jack Welch was owned by Wall Street. So 20+ years later we all can see what business people have done to engineering companies. They ruined them
How many of these in this room are invested in the same stock companies pushing cover this up. When everything is owned by a few and they begin to not care this is what we get. I believe the train derailments an
Please be careful about making such allegations about Boeing. Think about this: 1) “Calling him on his PERSONAL phone”? Is that really so concerning? HR already knows where you live…and so much more! 2) The tire. If intentional, who would put a nail IN a tire? The “culprits” would have needed to bring a hammer and a nail, then take the time to hammer in the nail! You can’t just press a nail in to a car tire! 3) Squeezing a .75” gap in the fuselage with FORCE instead of shimming the gap? No way! I don’t believe it! 4) Manager CANCELS his doctor appointment? Perhaps a slight exaggeration? 5) “Because of the threats”? What threat’s exactly? Put in context, I’d bet there WEREN’T any! 6) “Boeing never learns from its mistakes”? That is patently false! Plus, the gentleman STILL holds his position with the Company. Let’s just be careful not to get overly dramatic and make a difficult, unfortunate situation worse by exaggerating, because THAT benefits nobody.
1000's of inspections for each plane. If each plane recieve's 1000's of inspections then the cost to produce one plane is incredible...which may lead to cutting corners.
Senator Charles F. Meachum : This is a country where the Secretary of Defense can go on TV and tell the American public, oh, that "This is about freedom! It's not about oil!" And nobody questions him, cuz they don't wanna hear the answer, because it's a lie! There's only so many places at the table, Gunny. Now, are you on the inside or are you on the out?
Think about how many of these whistleblowers are well into their 50s, 60s and have worked in this industry for decades. They were loyal, had pride in their work, and worked hard to do the best job they could do. Testifying before congress against the companies they love, is something they never expected. They will be discredited, threatened and made unemployable but they spoke out to prevent tragedies and save lives.
It’s really dysfunctional how corporate charters issued by the federal government have allowed this to happen. The MFs who recently walked away, walk with millions of dollars. The U.S. needs a culture that doesn’t resent the people who design and build. Who generate the wealth from their labor, creativity and service. The psychopath management was even dividing engineering from the assembly line. I heard it in the attitude of an engineer 15 years ago. This comes from management and the financials. Too much power in those areas.
Seems a little extreme. They will not be made unemployable nor discredited by any means. Any company would be in understanding of the situation.
Not for many public and private employers. Alan Greenspan called it worker insecurity. The insecurity keeps unions out, wages suppressed and benefits in a decline. Where applicable this is good for hedge funds. CEOs are compensated well to focus on this intention. Good for investors, terrible for safe planes.
@@evanm6739Says the gullible voice of ignorance.
Not at all true
These 4 witnesses now need 24/7 protection to prevent their otherwise inevitable "suicide".
can you trust the ''protection''? Maybe it is the ''protection'' pulled the trigger.
Imagine actually believing that there was an assassination.
The first guy who suicided was in a parking garage with tons on video.
I had an attempt on my live.
This aged terribly.
Breaking news
Terrorists refuse to hijack plane after realizing it’s made by Boeing
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This is what happens when you let a business or finance major run an ENGINEERING COMPANY. Engineers need to step up and push these business people out of the decision making processes of all industries. Enough is Enough!
as both an engineer and an MBA I will tell you no, it's not always like this, this happens if garbage human beings make decisions, no matter if engineers or business people. Actually a lot of managers and executives are engineers, just switched into the business part.
@jemand8462 I disagree. Once you bring terms such as return on investment, net present value, budget, and simple payback to an engineering company, you've already lost the plot. Engineers design and a real solution. Engineers with an MBA who have now crossed over and become bean counters demand a value engineered option that looks financially better. You remove the value when you value Engineer. If all Engineers stuck with their profession and didn't bring in the cancer of business graduates into a conversation which they don't belong the market will naturally adjust to the increasing costs by seeing the increased quality in product, operations and value.
Same with healthcare.
This is happening in all of engineering. Just so happens that aviation has a much lower tolerance for engineering blunders.
Asking MBAs to balance engineering with profits is like asking a cigarette company to balance cancer safety.
You all guys have very valid points to be honest, and I agree with all of your comments. But to be honest; any good engineer understands that Financial goals are a consequence of Customer Expectations met, through excellent Operational Performance by fully capable Manpower. In that exact order. You cannot achieve financial success without the other 3 aspects.
While I believe professionals tend to focus only on financials and short term goals, I also believe most of the management positions within these companies are occupied by people who do not have the necessary experience, knowledge and ethics required.
The Board of Boeing should be in prison, by now.
The board of Boeing needs to stay OFF the manufacturing floor, PERIOD!
They need to shut down the C-suite
They need to legislate
Sam Salehpour needs protection
They got one... I fear for his safety...
This is unbelievably sad that these CEOs have been allowed to crumble national institutions. The train derailments, the food processing facilities so much destruction that has Black Rock Statestreet and Vanguard connection. There is something very sinister at play its not over it will get worse.
#JohnBarnett
@@rustymugg9658 Larry fink literally said he wants to force behaviour in companies or no investors for you. This is basically do what we want in your firms or get cancelled out of investments.
Blackmail pure and simple.
@@ErikPTthey got 2
I remember watching the interview of the first whistleblower who is now dead. I hope that a proper investigation is happening, because when a huge corporation is involved in something like this, A:It’s listed as suicide and B:Nothing ever happens to the millionaires who orchestrated his death and another whistleblowers death. If no proper investigation happens and the millionaires charged for the 2 deaths, which is very clear who did it because the motive is quite clear, then the american justice system has no more hope.
Criminal charges for everyone who in oversight who knew about this. Jail time, no mercy.
Sadly ,this will never happen 😅
22:28 "...they are not an independent investigative authority. There is an inherent conflict of interest." History shows when it comes to big business we have a bad habit of letting hungry men run the pie counter.
this is so outrageous and scary....There needs to be serious consequences for this travesty and total lack of ethics and lack of safety oversight.
It sounds like nobody is doing their job to protect the people.
"we need more whistleblowers" sounds a bit rich coming from the guys whose job is to put whistles in mouths and ensure they're blown
Sincere thanks for the work of the Senate and the whistleblowers getting up.
Thanks also to CBS for the transmission. For us all.
This is a lot of courage for both Whiselblowers and the people questioning them 👍🏻 a real eye opener
I agree, the whistle-blower(s) are true Americans! I applaud them and hope they and their families are safe from any reprisals of any kind!
Dude, Josh Dean just died....this is suspicious AS HELL. I hope Sam Salehpour is getting some protection
The chances that whistleblowets all related to boeing show up dead in different instances the chances are astronomical that it waa councidence.
Dumped all my Boeing stocks I refuse to support a company that operates like this. The government should cancel all their future contracts until these problems are addressed properly. Boeing had every opportunity to do the right thing and they chose money over safety of customers. One of the whistleblowers already committed "suicide" very shady things happening.
How much was Boieng stock when you Sold it!
Boeing needs TRUE aviation lovers working for them. Not someone who sees it as a burden!!
Or as a cash cow!
200% Agreed
I fail to understand why they are speaking at a hearing which purpose is to legislate. The laws exist and are correct. This is about people going against those laws, commiting crimes. Why aren't they at a criminal investigation hearing? This just seems like part of the culprits' "damage control".
Never flying on a Boeing aircraft. Ever!
Same16 trips to Asia on Airbus with zero issues, so glad my wife always checks the plane after the 300+ murdered, only Airbus now
@@clarenceghammjr1326 Airlines can change the aircraft without notice, also that event doesn't give passengers the right to get a reimbursement or even change their flight.
@alwynraynott7303actually it is not entirely “out of your control.” You can see what aircraft is being utilized prior to purchasing a ticket. If you see a Boeing on the 1:30 departure and decide the 3:00 departure with the airbus is the better option, then you take the 3:00 with the airbus. Delta primarily uses airbus, Alaska primarily uses Boeing. Stop spreading misinformation.
@@MatiBioticogood, then STOP FLYING... they will go broke long before we will NEED to fly. I haven't flown in 10 years and I'm not going to until this drama gets sorted out and realistically none of you guys need to fly right now. It's a luxury not a necessity.
@@thedivinefeminine1821 That makes sense and I would happily get behind the idea if not for the fact that this will not "get fixed". Boeing never even recognized their fault and we are not all equal in front of the law -shocking news, i know- . This means: they will not be held responsible and they know it. And people is not waiting years on end for a solution that's never coming. It would take far more accidents for fear to overcome the sense of -let's call it- "statistical safety". Also the media coverage in my country about this is next to none. I'm asuming we are not an exception, Most people are never even going to know.
"We all want Boeing to succeed" These people are supposed to scrutinise the people at Boeing that are responsible, not sympathise with them. How hard is it to get the names of people who threatened the whistleblowers and go upstream to find out where it started. 300 planes already operating, but they don't want to alarm the public, so people are supposed to be calm while the plane falls apart midair, that surely will make it better.
Crazy. I've worked as a mechanical engineer in both the Aerospace and Medical device industries for over a decade. Sure there's pressure to hit rate, but I've never been over-ruled or seen a quality engineer be over-ruled when bringing up manufacturing/quality concerns.
Exactly! Boeing actually has a policy specifically in employee training to SPEAK UP, if you see/have ANY concerns….about ANYTHING!
I am also an engineer in aerospace for over 40 years ..yes my experience is Electrical and most of Boeing problems are structural but you don't have to be a genius to know they were using cheap mental not compatible for aircraft .. skipping inspection. .wow..
Boeing give up on lives and made their own pockets happy !!
The “suicides” need to be investigated. Nobody kills themselves over a job
Boy am I glad Embraer refused to be bought by Boeing.
There is a culture of excellence in Sao Jose dos Campos, SP. ITA is the hardest polytechnic engineering school to get in, and SENAI trains the floor personnel like no other.
They should step up and get a two isle plan in the works.
Indeed, 16 trips and I see it as a well built reliable airplane
Embraer really dodged a bullet with that decision. I wish more companies had the wits and wisdom to decline "lucrative deals".
Several car companies went under because they sold out too fast or to the wrong bidder. Years back I heard that Saab had struck a deal to be purchased by GM. Apparently both Volkswagen and BMW were interested but GM got the deal. I anticipated GM would just churn out Saab-badged Opels and fail to find a desired niche for the brand aside from its loyal buyers (who did *not* want a Saab-badged Opel or Pontiac/whatever). As it turned out GM did very little to give the brand free reins but kept the brand alive through assisted breathing. Game over.
Years back I also said that Boeing would be going the same way as GM. For it adapted the same short-sighted business tactics. Looks like I was right seeing this coming...
@@McLarenMercedes Embraer was the Military Brass protege de mien at the time, late 60’s.
It took them the nod to get the bankroll. Many other also runs fell by the way side.
They started with orders from the military and eventually grew into commercial airplanes. Most to cover distances on underserved regions.
They were fitted with all turbo props at that time. No jet Propulsion.
The Xavantes was a two seater single engine for recognizance recognizance missions. Fighter jets were then ordered through Marcel Dassault from France. Now they are supplied by Sweden’s Saab.
The Bandeirantes was a single isle , 20-30 passenger for secondary cities and people’s hauler to far fetched regions such as the Amazon basin.
They eventually built airplanes like Learjet only to leapfrog them towards commercial aviation.
Turbines are still purchased overseas , companies like Rolls Royce and Pratt & Whitney.
Boeing should not tell the FAA what they're going to do as far as procedure's and the FAA should be telling Boeing because you can't trust Boeing to do them correctly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The FAA is as much in this mess as Boeing is. FAA letting Boeing certify significant systems, processes etc. on their own is beyond my understanding. A 30‘ iPad instruction for the typewriting of a 737 Max is just an example of FAA‘s incompetence / understaffing
The FAA claim that they let the Companies police their problems, the problem with that is a lack of oversight and accountability … The FAA need to increase the appropriate Staff numbers qualified to ratify Company policy and enforcement procedures….
35:25 absolutely savage to mention Alaska Airlines incident here. Inciting that Boeing can’t even keep their planes flying blue side up.
RIP John Barnett, the heroes of our day
Ron Johnson asks about why there's a "discrepancy" between the 2 whistleblowers at around 45:53, one saying it was manufacturing problem, the other saying it was a software problem. The short answer arrives immediately after he asks, then at 50:24 Ed explained how the MCAS related to a manufacturing problem, due to the AOA sensors being improperly wired, and ED just cuts him short!? WTF? Ron, you're given a detailed explanation, and when the most important detail comes, you cut Ed off mid-sentence. That's exactly the problem at Boeing too. Engineers identify specific issues, report it to management, only to be shut down because middle management and executives don't want to meddle in specifics.
This is terrifying. The CEO and all responsible who cut corners in order to make money and in turn made the airplanes unsafe need to be in prison. For life.
I wish I seen this before ... I am an Avionic engineer in aerospace for over 40 years .. I do not work for Boeing and never have ...I started with the military went on to NASA to commercial aircraft... and I and my co-workers all agree..when Boeing aircraft started falling out of the sky we knew right away it was not the pilot or software problems ...Boeing has been cutting back on all materials ... we knew that they have been skipped out on inspection and closing their blind eyes .. to many life's lost to build other pockets !!
Good luck on your fight ...I and my co-workers will never fly on a Boeing aircraft and I suggest you should either!!
Sen. Blumenthal, "We want Boeing to succeed". Is a terrific statement.
You spelt terrifying wrong
Blumenthal showed what team he's batting for... nothing new.
Yep because at the end of the day its the people running the company who are awful not the company itself. (Super late response but yeah your right)
Well, at least buddies coming out with the truth these are peoples lives up in the air.
This is not a recall for a car. This is an airplane up in the air with 300+ lives.
If it's Boeing you are flying, you are dieing...
Dying*
"dieing" 😂 But true...
That was fantastic. I know it's only the beginning but it's wonderful to see that officials are determined to unearth the truth. God bless and protect Sam Salehpour for his bravery and dedication.
I was harassed out of Spirit Aerosystems. My certified torque tool were sabotaged by first shift, paper work was falsified to make me look at fault for a fuselage that fell off the train car. The two first shifters were Christians and after I told them I was an Atheist they hated me and didn’t hide it. They turned a dream job into a nightmare. Never again.
Oh horseshit!
The religious are the worlds weirdos
You should've went to the Dakotas to drill for oil with the rest of your experienced teammates when you had the chance....that was the excuse Spirit used anyway when they were questioned about their unskilled staff..
Look into mathematics and how it ties into nature I.e. Ancient Greek “golden mean” all things on this earth have the golden ratio in them…. If you can understand this then you understand that there is a creator to all of this space dust that came together “magically” and created all the amazing infinity of all of this….. open your mind my friend… you’ve been lied too. Good luck on your journey
There are all kinds of Christian’s out here…
@@clarenceghammjr1326True religion is love for all.people and by that standard , planes like these would not even exist . God knows .
At one point Boeing got sick of me and moved me out of the 787 program into the 777 program. On the 777 program I found problems again 😂That line killed me. Those people who moved him where obviously not very smart.
And to think I almost moved down there to get a job at that facility
This sounds familiar.
Engineer- You can do THIS but absolutely not THAT.
Mechanic- Well THIS doesn't work!
Engineer- Okay.
Sorry guys, but my manager, the guy that doesn't know how to build airplanes says that thing you absolutely could not do is safe to do now.
That is exactly what happens in the real world that they don't discuss.
Thank you sir!
This scumbags company needs to be pay for their crimes!
I have been through this kind of thing and I can tell you that there are thousands of others who will never be known. Thank you is not enough. These people`s lives are now ruined and the U.S.Government should give them a full retirement package with free medical as a real Thank you. for the rest of their natural life.
Where was the over sight committee
Thank god there are still some good, honest people out there
Nothing will happen to the board members because these corporations have always gotten away with it. Take deep water horizon, for example, or the Post Office here in the UK, where they put individuals in prison to protect the brand, even though they knew they were innocent. This senator is already talking about this being a learning lesson and brushing it off.
I'm hearing about whistle blowers and investigations. What action has been taken if any to make sure the public is safe?
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They don't care about us...
Politicians bloviating more than real attempts to get to the truth…..sad, sad, sad
Getting donations from the banks that under write the accepted killing of passengers shows who congress works for.
Yeah, Johnson was coming hard.
Wow the engineer is obviously traumatized by this experience. If I hadn’t experienced this type of intimidation and harassment in the workplace before I wouldn’t believe it. I believe him because I was in his position before & everyone was whispering and concerned but no one would voice their concerns. Because I was in a leadership role I brought it up privately and the backlash was very public and overwhelming.
I am so very pleased that this information seeking journey is on and actively seeking input from so many brave and intrepid souls.. having already seen short excerpts, I see that this is a SERIOUS undertaking. I bid you all the very best in this pursuit of clarity and transparency. God Speed.
The culture at Boeing is prevalent throughout many industries, its not just limited to Boeing or aviation. Boeing is in the spotlight because their risks have come to fruition. Many many other companies in aerospace, automotive, oil & gas, shipping, you name it, are the same way - driven by short term $ first and foremost. When you get on a non-Boeing plane, you might feel better about it, but it just might be that ignorance is bliss.
Sorry you are so wrong coming from 40 years of experience in aircrafts ... we have per- flight inspection and then we have our own pilots for pre- flight before handing the aircraft to Transport-Canada who has their own pilots and inspectors to re inspection our aircrafts ... each time a job is finished it must be inspected and everything is logged from the beginning to the end !!
@@joanpalermo64 Appreciate your comment, but it doesn't speak to my comment at all? Perhaps you were responding to some other comment and tagged mine by mistake?
The same thing happened with the trucking industry after deregulation then trucking companies started cutting corner's and ran trailer's with crack's in the frame's and ran brake's to long and brake drum's were cracking and falling off the trailer's going down the road and hit car's also running broken spring's on trailer's due to less inspection's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meh, a trucker here and there
Didnt Boeing recently "suicide" a whistleblower?
Yes they did.
It is the government doing. The cover up is done by the government 😅
Yep surely has some dark forces in the government involved in these suicides
It's everywhere
Yes, the greed of CEO’s for short term profits means less safety for consumers and workers.
DEI
Capitalism incentivices and rewards short term profit. Especially now that companies are bought out by shareholders and the only important thing becomes increasing profits every quarter.
We're not gonna go back to the good old times and even if we come near the good old times, after a few years it'll be back at this exact point.
36:03 what did the man say Boeing did for 20 years?
something about certification (22 years)
I love to watch this congress hearing all of them. But are there results??
WOW! This is not the first time I've heard stuff like this, let's see where this goes, if anywhere. I know one thing, I won't be flying anywhere! I think all the upper echelon at Boeing need to be held to account and criminally prosecuted!
Blumenthal perfect speaker for this, richest man in the senate holding it to the richest company.
43:40 how can engineer not know when nail is picked up normally by the tire?!
Mfs be freestyling like they working in a machine shop jumping on parts and calling it the Tarzan effect tf 😂😂
I’m praying for those who came forward for the sake of truth and safety. I pray they each stay safe and have peace about what they are trying to do…
The legal categories or acts under which intentionally manipulating or bypassing certification processes for aviation equipment could be considered a criminal act include:
Fraud: Falsifying documents or misrepresenting the safety standards of aviation equipment with the intent to deceive regulatory authorities or end-users could constitute fraud.
Negligence: If the individual knowingly disregarded safety protocols or failed to ensure that the equipment met required standards, they could be charged with negligence, especially if their actions directly contributed to the crash.
Endangerment: Endangering the safety of aircraft passengers and crew by knowingly using uncertified or improperly certified equipment could lead to charges of endangerment.
Manslaughter or Homicide: In cases where the crash results in loss of life, individuals involved could face charges of manslaughter or homicide if it can be demonstrated that their actions directly contributed to the fatalities.
Regulatory Violations: Deliberately violating aviation regulations and safety standards set forth by regulatory authorities constitutes a criminal offense in many jurisdictions.
I know before the pandemic there was a Boeing engineer on a psych unit, admitted for guilt and suicidal ideation after being pressured to press forward with okaying the plane though he had serious concern about issues that allowed that glitch that caused 2-3 maxes to crash that grounded the max.
Senator Johnson (second Sen. to speak) seems to be backing Boeing pretty hard. I wonder if he has stock in the company or if someone just greased his wheel. He was the only one that interrupted, grilled and contested the whistleblowers instead of listening. If you test any planes; test the ones built 1-3 months before Lion air 2018. Can't trust anything produced now as they know they are under the magnifying glass. We must look at what they already sent out because it seems the "F'it push it out the door" phase has been in full effect for quite some time.
@ 1:30:00 "They snuck it through the process and it was all about money, it was all about getting those airplanes to southwest and it was all about money... and that's why those people died." -Shawn Pruchnicki, PH.D.
Look of what happened to Titan's submersible CEO who ignored his engineer's advice of vehicle safety. Turned out that the engineer was correct but tragically few lives were lost as a result.
How are these people not in the protection program?
Even if the CEO is replaced , those administration staff need to be reviewed …cause they based their productivity by KPI in an airline industry ..
This raises serious issue to the culture and those office staff that are sociopaths and toxic, who gives recommendations and quality control cut backs to save money , ordering top engineers who have more knowledge than them . All cause of bonus pay to meet KPI goals.
What is the Federal Government going to do to protect the whistleblowers? What about the salaries and healthcare that they lose after being fired? What about the executives who allow all these quality defects to exist.
Nothing
Must be tough for those Republicans to support whistle-blowers instead of the CEOs
They have families and they fly. Can’t take it with you😀
Now do one for Pfizer.
Protect these people!! I can already feel that they are slightly suicidal 😑
That's what greed gets you, absolut destruction of normal morals and logic. I am happy that there are still people taking the time and energie to try and correct these evil way's, there is nothing wrong making $, but you can do that in a ballanced way without destroying or ruining other peoples lives.
1:55 yeah, he makes my instincts go off. Wonder what he's hiding.
Senate complaints hold more power than most people realize
Honorable Engineers Thank you for this. Defense contractors need more check on them.
We should look at the AD from the FAA, January 2021, and the FAA approved fix from later that year. All aircraft built before the fix are under an increased inspection regime. This whole meeting is old news. I noticed they didn't invite a qualified aircraft structural engineer, who looked at the design, only quality engineers that testified that the manufacturing documentation did not explicitly specify the steps that were taken. They do not have the qualifications to testify what might happen or if the changes that the design engineers made and approved by the FAA were appropriate.
But it was Boring that hired them to make those checks and voice concerns. So is Boeing purposely hiring people not qualified for the job they are supposed to do. Either way you look at it there is no running away from the fact that Boeing dropped the ball.
Corporate profit in America is always held above consumer safety, I.e. Boeing,Big Tobacco,big pharmaceutical .
These multibillionaire corporations literally run the world. The truth is way darker than most people can process.
Josh Dean passed away! How is that not suspicious?!!!
look at 1:06:25. doesnt no one notice this person didnt move an flinch throughout the conversation?
Americans are grateful for these whistleblowers, and are uncertain about Senate, doing something About this:( NICE SPEECH.
The second whitness is spot on in bringing up his fathers work as a criminal investigatoe. What these higherups are doing in ignoring safety and quality control personells warnings is nothing short of manslaughter.
we need to wait for Boeing structural design engineer to say about the defect. Quality engineers just follow the design specifications which are reviewed by the design team. is there any more QA engineers coming out to join Sam Salepour. why is it just him? there are thousand and thousand Quality engineers at Boeing. i want to hear of other quality engineer's testament.
Because they don't want to be threatened with death lollll. It's obvious why people aren't coming forward. You know the other whistleblower was shot? He said if I go, it wasn't me. They don't want to end up like him.
The US govt should buy Boeing and fund it. We can't afford to loose our scientists and engineers who design such complex machines. Students should not be discouraged from studying Aerospace engineering.
Committee's and inquiries mean nothing
Great testimonies; Sen. Hawley is not helping by leading Sam into shock statements and serving his own agenda and this grandiose statements of whos getting paid more or less. Disgusting.
I am from. Norway,,but this is scary as he…..why is not the top leaders ,bosser,ceo++++ of the boing company that Are responsble for hiding treatening and disregard all saft pointed out on the diffrent flymode pointed out bythe safty plane inegeeners ,,why Are thees top ceo that Are responsblefor theese intentinal WrongDoings That has led to theese tragic and unnesseseies plane craches&adeaths of hundredes passengerwhy Are not the ceo,bosses++++ been prossecuted and put in jail??
THIS is the reason why I no longer fly if I can help it. The majority of planes no matter what company logo is on the outside are Boeing built aircrafts.
Who does boeing report 2...
where was the official over ceo ...with the linea gov?
Harry Stonecipher is the culprit who started this
Looks at all the Jack Welch protégé. They are the CEOs of all failed companies. Jack Welch was owned by Wall Street. So 20+ years later we all can see what business people have done to engineering companies. They ruined them
How many of these in this room are invested in the same stock companies pushing cover this up. When everything is owned by a few and they begin to not care this is what we get. I believe the train derailments an
Deregulation for deregulations sake. Money over lives. Late stage capitalism.
The Sociopaths that run the world.
Please be careful about making such allegations about Boeing. Think about this:
1) “Calling him on his PERSONAL phone”? Is that really so concerning? HR already knows where you live…and so much more!
2) The tire. If intentional, who would put a nail IN a tire? The “culprits” would have needed to bring a hammer and a nail, then take the time to hammer in the nail! You can’t just press a nail in to a car tire!
3) Squeezing a .75” gap in the fuselage with FORCE instead of shimming the gap? No way! I don’t believe it!
4) Manager CANCELS his doctor appointment? Perhaps a slight exaggeration?
5) “Because of the threats”? What threat’s exactly? Put in context, I’d bet there WEREN’T any!
6) “Boeing never learns from its mistakes”? That is patently false! Plus, the gentleman STILL holds his position with the Company. Let’s just be careful not to get overly dramatic and make a difficult, unfortunate situation worse by exaggerating, because THAT benefits nobody.
You’re acting as though the models spoken about haven’t crashed
Ironically, Boeing stock (BA) goes up today, while Capital Hill are talking about their wrong doing, even criminals action.
Lol the guy talking about providing records to the FBI! What a joke! Wray would cover the whole thing up easy-peasy for a million or so.
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This aged well
What you need to say is"WE WILL PROTECT YOU!"
if its boeing, i aint going...
Your tax dollars at work 😢😮
i don't know why they don't call airlines CEOs for this. like southwest is a major factor why Boeing is a mess when it comes to 737 MAX
South Carolina is a right to work state.
Union labor is the most transparent skilled labor.
This happens when you have non union labor workers!!!
Corporate greed has no limits.
BCS - Built for Blood (Crashes)
BDS - Built on Blood (Wars)
BGS - Built by Blood (Sweats)
Only Boeing Employees can relate to this company secret. 😂
This is really scary.
1000's of inspections for each plane. If each plane recieve's 1000's of inspections then the cost to produce one plane is incredible...which may lead to cutting corners.
Senator Charles F. Meachum : This is a country where the Secretary of Defense can go on TV and tell the American public, oh, that "This is about freedom! It's not about oil!" And nobody questions him, cuz they don't wanna hear the answer, because it's a lie! There's only so many places at the table, Gunny. Now, are you on the inside or are you on the out?