Toronto tram "help, there was a mcdonalds straw on the track and my fault sensors tripped saying im on fire" Soviet Tram "i was shot and rammed by a german leopard tank, i will tow him home as a sign of honor among warriors"
This has made me: an American who hasn't even stepped a foot in Europe - feel a level sympathy and appreciation for a small tram I will most likely never see in my entire life. These things have a certain charm to them.
They do have a charm to them , and if a place like that was still left in the usa, they would bulldoze it over, put up a wall-mart, a car dealership, a chipotle, and then if you wanted to have such an experience, then you would have to buy a ticket to go to walt disney world to see it rebranded ... and pay a 200 dollar entrance fee
On the US side we had something similar with BUDD company built R32 cars for the nyc subway. Built in 1963-1964 they persevered and outlived multiple class types that came after and were just recently retired. They even had a second spring on life as the new R179 cars that were to replace them broke down, having the r32s be reinstated for service.
@@pyrat3538 I've been abroad, when I was stationed in South Korea as I'm currently in the USAF, but there are countless countries I would absolutely love to visit. I absolutely love the history involving countries my own nation deemed as foes at one point, and I absolutely love the history of the Soviet Union and Germany.
@@Laurabeck329 that's survivorship bias. Soviet engineers also created Chernobyl power plant and my parents' old vacuum cleaner. Can't say anything good about them.
In soviet engieneering designing to last 16 years means it should not break for 16 yeas of non-stop use, while in capitalism engieneering designing to last 16 years means it will break after about 16 years
We don't have Soviet trams but we do have Czechoslovak trams, as well as trams we made ourselves. The Czechoslovak trams still work like a charm. Part of the glorious vibe of Pyongyang
TH-cam finally gives me a good recomendation. I'm from Dzerzhinsk and these trams are my childhood. These trams give me my love for all rail transport: trains, trams, metro. I literally can't believe that it's been already 9 years from closing last route.
Soviet design was beautiful in its reliability. You could beat it, toss it in the mud and stomp on it, and it will still serve long after you are dead and gone.
I felt so terrible for that older lady losing her job at the 3:15 mark. These trams were literally her life and at her age, you take that away in such a heartbreaking manner, it leaves her without a purpose and these are the members of society who quickly fade away. Reminds me of a story I heard of a very old lighthouse keeper on the Great Lakes who lost his job due to automation and he was so heartbroken, he died in his sleep on his last night on duty at his lighthouse.
When the newer trams have to go to the depoo during Icy or really cold conditions, our KT4 trams continue hustling up and down the street. This as of March 2021.
спасибо за видео. эти работяги кажется были с нами всегда, они символ быта. эти трамвайчики очень тёплые и уютные, а это очень важно в серые рабочие будни
I felt the same. In Belgium we had "the small train" going from village to village carrying workers to the town's railway station to go to the bigger cities or transporting goods between small factories. When the last train left (on a truck) my father took off his hat and placed it on his hart, like we did when a funeral passed by...
@@Dr.K.Wette_BE I'm pretty sure this happened in the Netherlands as well, when the local trams were shut down shortly after the second world war (or before, as the autobus was already the great competitor to rail-transport). I live in a town 18 km above Amsterdam, where we had the tram from the NZH. The busstation in the city center where I live, still bears the name of the tramstation that used to be there till (I think) 1956 (Tramplein = Tramsquare). Originally, it wasn't located at the spot where it is now, they moved it some 20 meters west.
@@Dr.K.Wette_BE Ja, hetzelfde als de vele lokaalspoorlijnen die verdwenen zijn, maar waar voormalige halteplaatsen te herkennen zijn aan namen als 'Stationsstraat' 'Spoorlaan' en dergelijke. Yes, just like the many local railroads that have disappeared, with the many places where they had their stops can still be found by looking for 'Station-street' or 'Railroad-lane' and such.
@@lolroflroflcakes cars can start their engines in the winter, but not in severe winter conditions of some Siberian towns. You can’t start and engine when oil supply is literally frozen, can’t you?
@@rhoninwindrunner7575 They specifically said minus 30/40 celsius. As a teenager I had a old GMC truck that ran fine in those conditions. No freezing oil or anything.
its interesting that people from non-materialistic (non-consumerist) societies can form such bonds with non-living things. in a sense, it's a being like us, only non-biological. i feel sorry for any old tram or car or trusk when it's cut up. especially after a life of great service to the citizens.
Soviet society was certainly not non-consumerist. Consumerism is in human nature, attempts to fight it by ideologies (and widespread scarcity of the most basic goods) lead to the ugliest forms of consumer's neurosis and even more unattractive consumer's behavior than we despise in the west. Trams (and also trains, cars, buses...) are indeed living (or at least zoomorphic) things. They have two eyes and a smile, and once I've seen it, I could not unsee it anymore.
@@RailwaysoftheWorld1 Hehe they do! at least the older ones (TKM 101 for life!), newer ones are much more dead and to phrase one comment i heard; they remind me of hospital body scan room. Sorry, i phrased it wrongly on consumerism; it was a "normal" society in terms of consumption, in a sense that there was no ideological attempt to make humans into impulsive, empty consumers like in the west. and so, the humans were more-less grateful to and respected the material things they had access to, be it an old bicycle, car or tram. even old, they were useful and often had emotional cultural and identnty worth. while now, "New" and "fashionable" is king. Dunno, i always saw things as living objects... japanese have this philosophy as well, where an old and revered object gains a soul after a long time. Anyways, hope to see more of your videos in the future! Good luck!
USSR was country obsessed with consumerism. It was not like in the West, due to peculiarities of the Soviet political and economic systems, but more closer to barter.
@@bluemoondiadochi It was not. As a Russian, let me tell you - Soviet people were obsessed with material goods. Especially foreign ones. They were symbols of status and connections. It didn't matter, if USSR could produce the same things itself - people were simply hooked up on idea of "foreign means better and elevates me more in the eyes of other people". In order to show their wealth - everything worked - like cheap carpets from Asian republics, some fake jewelry and, most of all, clothes and cars. For example, foreign jeans or cassette tape recorder meant in Soviet society, that you are league above others and people were going for enormous length to acquire them. Also, obsession of Russians with old stuff is not, because, of "high spirituality" or something like that, but, because, more often than not it is everything Russian could had under Soviet regime. Like shitty Soviet cars, shitty Soviet transport and the like. Rare cases, when they were not shitty, usually meant, they were made for the elites or copypasted from the West and, yes, were made for elites. So, please, abandon, all notions and myths that people in a Soviet Union were somehow more spiritual or less obsessed with materialistic culture. Materialistic culture was enormous part of the Soviet life, but everyone pretended it is not.
Nope. The Museum has no rolling stock of its own; Muni is the one. AND, it would have to date before 1952 to escape required ADA modifications through historical exemptions (which is why our Berlin car isn’t ever in service). Plus, we have no idea what Covid economic damage will linger, especially given California’s historically bad leadership, and an exodus of fortunes and corporations we’ve never before experienced.
@Tech&More4U It may seem that way today, but your grasp of history is woefully inadequate. Before the airplane we had some great trains, and let’s not forget the Pullman car, one of America’s great rail innovations. City-wise, with the first working, safe, reliable, all weather cable car system developed in San Francisco, and the first working, reliable, safe, all weather tram developed in Virginia, the US one led, even dominated the urban rail business, as you see today in San Francisco’s “F” line fleet, where 1920’s trams from Milan are based on a design developed in Ohio, and operate on a GE system developed in the US. Melbourne trams from the forties were simply updated cattle cars from the twenties, while the US operated state of the art all electric streamlined metal trams with comfy seats. Yeah, today we’re the Mississippi of international rail transit, and should be ashamed of ourselves, but get your history straight.
Perfection lies in simplicity. I would like to see this tram the same care that the world cities provided to the Czech Tatra T3. I hope there are enthusiasts. who will be engaged in the reconstruction of many cars. I have seen how beautifully renovated Russian-made trams are in operation in some cities.
Не понимаю, почему все невзлюбили дизайн этого вагона? Отличный дизайн! Тот же Консталь со своим дизайном узкого, рубленого топором бруска. Можем еще вспомнить ЛМ-68м со своим дизайном старого Чешского серванта. По сравнению с ними этот «красный ящик» является просто эталоном технической красоты.
The L.A. trams were built by a real estate company that bought up a large swath of empty land for dirt cheap prices. It was cheap because it was so far from town, nobody wanted to be that far. To entice people to buy their land and homes, the company built the tram system to provide a cheap and speedy way for their real estate customers to get into their jobs in town. Also, the company built an electric utility station that produced electrical power that serviced the area they were selling off for homes. They powered their trams with some of the electricity produced by their own power station. They ran the trams with power at wholesale prices. Even with cheap electricity, the trams were always ran at a loss because the company made its money from the land sales. Two things happened that caused them to sell the tram system. One was the state passed a law that made it illegal for them to power the trams from their power plant. The other was that they sold off the last of their land. The tram lost money, and was only built to get people to buy their land, so the reason for the tram to exist went away, and it was foolish to run a business that loses money. General Motors bought the system and closed it down. It's possible that the city, or county, may have eventually bought it, and subsidized its operation with tax funds, but it's also possible that they would not have done that.
@@deezynar jack London describes that whole process in the second part of his novel Burning Daylight, in which the main character - Elam Harrish is that up and coming mogul that bought the land and built the tram system (or the water ferries... I don't recall) But thanx a lot for your historical overview! Very interesting!!!
I was looking in the comments for someone who would bring what the Russians are facing home to what we faced here when to drag more profits out of working people for themselves, corporate petrol and big auto sabotaged and derailed our once fine mass trans in America. The unfair bus competition will become the only fair, and that fair will be unfair, without the competition of the economical trams, rest assured.
@@deezynar Not entirely true. No US rail transit system made a profit after the mid-1920s. The nickel fare had become practically sacred and a political third rail. Costs went up, service demands increased, but the nickel fair was practically carved in granite. Worse, unions (I’m a union worker so I’m not against them, but their actions make me wince some times) in California (SF and LA in particular) managed to get two man teams instituted as a safety precaution,which only added expense, especially (in SF) when PCC cars were designed for one man crews. These rules pushed out streetcars in favor of buses which weren’t legally obligated to have conductors. Then, of course, the Feds pushed Americans to the burbs after the War (GI bill and all that) to what, protect us from nukes by dispersing us (or at least the white person “us”)? The burbs were built and served by freeways, not streetcar lines and often did not have on ramps and exits into the old urban nabes. In any case, many different companies, including real estate ventures, owned streetcar companies in LA, but the biggest and most famous was the progeny of the Octopus itself, the Southern Pacific Railroad, built by the son of its founder, Henry Huntington, and of course known as the Pacific Electric, the PE, or simply The Red Cars.
I'm from DPR, Kramatorsk. We had a tram system from 1939 to 2017 years, and it's too sad, that I haven't got any ride on them - the legendary KTM-5M3😢. It's also pity, that in other, bigger cities in Russia tram, and trolleybus systems are closing - even in capital of Russia, Moscow the trolleybus was distracted, and a lot of people are lost their best work, because not all likes electrobuses. But, in Russia the situation of electric transport is started to change in 2022-2023, and I hope, that we even could return closed systems, if they are needy to people! ❤ And I have an idea of one of the next video about legendary soviet trams - RVZ-6 tram from local fabric in Riga, Latvia. Well, it's older, than KTM-5, but also brutal and beautiful, thanks to his circular shapes. And I know a famous around the world soviet and russian trolleybus ZiU-9, because his tirage was 42000 exemplars! I hope, I'll see these videos about them 😊
It was pretty amazing to see my home town of Naberezhnye Chelny in the video. Unlike in many post-Soviet towns tram transportation keeps evolving here. KTM 5 are about half of all trams. Others are newer KTM 19 and KTM 23. There are 400 km of tram routes here. Just yesterday I've made up my mind to make a tram journey to the most distant tram stop of my town. It will take 1 hour and a half one way.
I'm amazed over how much the KTM-5 looks similar to the Kawasaki-built trams used in Philadelphia. I get that it's an apples to orange comparison, but that was my first thought when I saw this video. It also speaks volumes about how poor infrastructure maintenance is in most of the former Soviet bloc.
Yeah, after the collapse of the USSR, things deteriorated in quite a few countries, particularly the ones that relied on membership of the bloc to get enough funding to keep their infrastructure working. The USSR were very keen on public transport, far more so than NATO countries, especially the USA.
@@steviecureman2837 Durable indeed. I'm amazed that Kawasaki trams in Philly have lasted as long as they did, considering they were built in the early 1980s. I'm sure they're going to be replaced sooner rather than later if SEPTA gets their act together, but that's a testament to Kawasaki's reliability (at least in that era).
In Bulgaria we had a big factory, making trams in the capital Sofia. The trams were called Sofia-100. They were produced from the beginning of the 70s. Yes, they were noisy, old, but very very reliable. They were the main trams in the city till 2000s. In 2012 the government had a deal with the EU, they gave some money for buying new trams, buses. On the 24th of May 2013, on the Day of the Cyrillic writing and culture the old trams were ridden for the holiday and the next day after that the city was waken with 4-5 closed tram lines and all of the socialist tram warriors parked in the biggest tram port and after couple of weeks of hard-working cutting and scraping work, the legendary Sofia-100 trams were now history- from the hundreds crossing the streets just a month ago, now there are officially 2 remained- the training tram and one service green tram, who they saved for the history museum. Now the only one soviet build transport vehicles are maybe the trolley Icarus 280t, who waits for the same fate as his fallow comrades. I'm also so mad that the old trolleys will go, because they serve as transport for *45 years* and they are unbelievably reliable. Even in a close town to the capital there is a factory, specialized in making main recovery and services for the Icarus 280t.
0:47 Which will never happen, because of California law banning import of streetcars newer than 1955. That's actually the reason the museum doesn't have a Tatra T-class yet, according to their website.
The tram shown at 10:12 - 10:17 - is factory - built and has nothing to do with passanger cars. But the words themselves are absolutely true, many service cars were converted from passanger cars by the depot forces
@Ivan Mustafaev Если бы Хрущёв не отдал Украине Крым, а Ельцин им его не оставил, в этом бы не было необходимости. А Крым обошёлся нам слишком дорого, чтобы оставлять его Украине.
Ха-ха, смешно, ленин сдох 100 лет назад с 1917 года СССР вся эта херня и зараждалась, еслиб не он то бы все было уверен как у всех цивилизованных стран, вам то смешно вы не жили в регионах России, а нам не очень
Back when engineering meant something durable, instead of going for some flimsy "prettiest colour scheme" design award and parts that cost too much to fix... Function before esthetic.
@@Brato1986 It will because those that still built things the way they're meant to be built are dying off because kids rather want to work in an Office than with their hands.
Yeah. A whole research institute of "Aesthetics" designed something completely out of aesthetics, made out of cheap materials to last only 16 years, kept only by miracle of golden hands, but yeah
It's not about the aesthetic. You can have pretty and durable, they are not mutually exclusive. It's about manufacturers deliberately making garbage so u have to keep giving them money by having to fix it.
The KTM-5 is derived from Czech Tram Tatra T3, which are stil pretty common in Prague, Czechia. And they are very well maintained. You should do a video about the T3 legend (if you didn't already, I didn't search your channel). The T3 is an evolution of T2 and T1, which was a PCC licence. So in a sense, the KTM-5 is PCC derived.
@@comandanteej KTM-5 has never been technically related to Tatra T3. Though it looked similar some way, they had absolutely different control systems. The Tatra has a pedal controller while the KTM has a manual one. The body structure and the coupling unit are also different. In some cities (such as Krasnodar and Nizhniy Novgorod) Tatras and KTMs are even served by different depots. But 71-402 (403, 405, 407...) and modern Ukrainian trams (К-1) are really based on Tatra T6B5.
Although the KTM5 has a simplified electric control system, the bogies are a faithful copy of the PCC B3 bogies. A similar situation was with the Soviet RVZ and LM wagons, only there was an additional pneumatic system, just like in the pre-war versions of the PCC. It is said that the Soviet RVZ, LM and KTM wagons are derived from the Czechoslovak CKD-Tatra which is based on the PCC license. But how can we explain the fact that the first prototypes of the RVZ-51/52 wagons appeared in 1951, and the production of the Tatra T1 started in 1952, while the first T1 copies were delivered to the USSR only in 1957?
The most amazing thing shown here is the emotional connection one can have with a machine, especially older people who have lived with them from tens of years. (Talking about that I've read a story about how here in Greece, in Crete, in an elderly man's house that used to be a bus owner and driver, next to the photos he had of his family, ancestors, children, grandchildren, he also had photos of his buses. Those buses for him were part of the family) My city (Thessaloniki Greece) used to have a tram system until 1956 were it was all dismantled for the sake of buses. There's still hope one day the tram will return (even though we are now building an underground railway which you could also call an underground tram )
I still mourn the good-old-days when Denver Tramways lowered the trolley of the .04 for the last time. It - what is lest of it - is currently undergoing a static display for Arvada Colo.
I can tell you it is especially weird and sometimes sad to live in a "transformation country" like East Germany for example, EVERYTHING that you knew and loved, trams, trains, lorries, buses, shops, certain types of food or candy, cinemas, anything that had character and was kinda unique despite being a bit run down was gone, completely vanished from the face of the earth and replaced by (mostly) soulless and unfamiliar modern stuff. (Not saying that I didn't find new candy I liked , but damn i still miss some of the old ones tastes) fills your heart with a weird sense of sentimentality. But it's forbidden to admit it because you aren't allowed to have nostalgia for anything from communist times because even the trashcans were evil communist constructs and replaced within 2 years.
It is the same in all industries. When we replaced the last rotary telephone exchanges at the beginning of the 90's, their crew was also retiring and had lots of memories of power outages, technical faults, major overhauls and expansions and upgrades from their past. Machines help us a during our work, and it's normal to get emotionally attached, with those machines that were sharing a lot of adventures with. Also many old retired pilots have pictures of their aircraft at their home....so yes, it's amazing, yet normal :)
Here in Palermo where I live right now, they dismantled too the old tram sistem, but they rebuilt it in the other half of the city some years ago and it's usual to break because they rushed out the building of the trams because they were late with the new tracks and to this day the tram and busses company is in debt because they cannot pay the "new" and "beautiful" trams
The city I was going to university in (Voronezh) had the tram system dismantled, but the town I live in (Stary Oskol) we have about 50 of the old red ones (idk which model, I'm not that into them😄) and a few new-ish trams. All working and looking fine, the track is in good condition too. I'm guessing us being an ore mining town helps fund it, especially since it's sole purpose is to go from and through town to the smelting factory🤷But then Voronezh is an older city, not built for the amount of cars we have today, so they tried to free the streets I guess, but my town is well thought out and designed so trams don't get in the way, so they live😭
1:03 Zlatoust city, Chelyabinsk region. In Zlatoust, a tram road was built on which the running tests of these trams were carried out. Ust-Katav (there is a tram production plant located in it) near the city of Zlatoust. Ггород Златоуст, Челябинская. В Зластоусте посторена трамвайная дорога на которой проводились ходовые испытания этих трамваев. г.Усть-Катав (в нем располежен завод по производству трамваев) недалеко от г. Златоуста
Блин, я смотрел это видео анимированной картинкой в ленте ютуба не открывая и читая субтитры, и прям был уверен, что это оцифрованная русская речь, так хорошо слова складывались в текст (неужели субтитры вручную качественно составляли). Good job! Very good
Спасибо! Ютуб английские сам синхронизирует с речью, потом сам же переводит на русский, сохраняя тайминги, дальше надо просто поправить ошибки автоперевода, вот так и получаются качественные субтитры)
8:25 "In the city of Daugavpils they are still working like new". That's true! Some years ago they bought a number of new cars that replaced the even older ones from RVR. But the KTM are still very reliable and we will going on to keep them in service longer.
BTW the new ones are the newer model of the same factory, they're sometimes called KTM-23 and KTM-31. The newest (delivered in 2020) are Russian made as well but are made by competitors.
Wow! Very nice! All what you telling in this film is true. Especially about design. When i was a children this tram really makes me scarred, but now i love it. It's nice to see my content using in such a great movie :) Thanks!
Thank you so much. There was only such trams in my childhood in Naberezhnye Chelny (KAMAZ factory). And they were and are allways in good condition. SF, you deserve it! X)
@@RailwaysoftheWorld1 Нема на чему пријатељу. И енглески ти је сасвим добар, ако мене питаш, нема потребе за професионалним наратором. Поздрав Добро пожаловать, друг. А английский у вас неплохой, если вы спросите меня, в профессиональном рассказчике нет необходимости. Приветствие
As mentioned in the video, this is not the case, it was like this from the very beginning. The tram was designed as a cheaper alternative to Tatra T3 when political climate with Czech Republic worsened, and (especially) when the USSR became too poor to afford T3s
горькая правда. в челябинске катаются. пытались заменить, но безуспешно. новые трамваи скоропостижно ломаются ещё на этапе тестирования по названным причинам. пути собирались менять в прошлом году, но дело затягивается. пытаются внедрить в массы такую идею, что подобного вида транспорт не выгоден и не практичен в современном мире.
The Czech Tatra T3 trams are older and much more widespread than these. Anyway, these are kinda cute with its boxy design. Something similar to Tatra T6A5, but not as modern.
"Залом пантографа", Велик и могуч русский язык блягодаря богатству приставок и суффиксов, начинаешь писать по-английски и страдаешь от того, как, порой, убого получается 😟
Just a little fact. KTM trams were like indication of how much government willing to spend on the city infrastructure. If you're getting KTM instead of Czech Tatra T3 means you're living in a shithole.
No matter where in the world, once trams and infrastructures are destroyed, people regret it. Over here in Holland we once had an extensive tram network consisting of many companies. A few remained, mainly in our main cities. Only one intercity tramline survived: HTM (Haagse Tramweg Maatschappij) Lijn 1 from The Hague-Scheveningen to Delft. Apart fom this line, our three main cities Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague operate modern trams on well maintained routes within city limits and nearby smaller communities like the RET-line (Rotterdamse Electrische Tram) to Barendrecht. Brand new lines were introduced just recently in the city of Utrecht. So, Russia, preserve what’s left. Combat destruction of still operative tram systems, no matter how run down they may be. Fight corruption, keep money where it belongs instead of sending it to Moscow.
@@leyland9999 Yep. I live in a city which was once part of quite an extensive network of local trams (NZH). I think the last 2 decades the idea of re-introducing the tram just keeps resurfacing at least once a year. With the opening of the North-South metroline in Amsterdam, those ideas have now become even worse: it should be extended all the way to where the tram once was...
@@weeardguy This idea of re-introducing the tramways in former NZH territory exist for decades now. The way it once was will never come back, unfortunately. However, parts of the former network might emerge again but must be implemented soon.
@@leyland9999 No it didn't cease operation for nothing. Especially De Beemster will be a hard-to-justify area to re-introduce the tram. The downside is that re-introduction of the tram in Purmerend will mean the end of the bus-system as it is now (well... first let the current bus-system survive the covid-disaster...)
This, and the follow-up video I watched before this one, makes me think of Gothenburg's old M28 and M29 trams, from the 60's and 70's respectively, they're still in service and numbers around 130-ish units just for this one city. They're just as old, but kept under better maintenence under the municipal funding and the heavy reliance on the tram network we have here. I'm quite sure that the KTM5's and the M28's and M29's will share a spot amongst the heroes of long service trams.
For a long time I decided for myself that I don't put likes for videos. And that's why I put no more than 20 likes in a year. But I will definitely note this video. It turned out to be unexpected for me, non-trivial and moreover, it slightly changed my attitude towards KTM-5 for the better, despite the fact that as a layman I know a lot about trams for. And besides, in a foreign language. It's incredible. There are three tram fleets in Nizhny Novgorod, and it is in the depot number 3, which serves the most industrial part of the city (Avtozavod = Automobile Plant), where all KTM-5s are located.
A funny video, you can see my hometown and its famous tram line "city - LPK" - this is the city of Ust-Ilimsk.Thanks for the material, from Russia with love)
Привет! А мне больше на круговом "А" приходилось ездить. В 80-e. Набивали их нещадно в часы пик так, что дверь не закрывалась! Ой! А вечером, когда пассажиров мало, было очень приятно ехать. Татра хороша, но мне она ощущается тесной и дизайн её ещё в детстве воспринимался более архаичным, чем у КТМ. :-)
@@hist1h2aa2 Да, я и забыл, что был "А".)) Да, было дело, битком ездили. Икарусы ещё ходили, гармошки, как и во многих городах , тоже битком в часы пик набивались.
The real irony is that those trams are PCC cars of,ready,American derived design! If one came to San Francisco,they would be among their long lost cousins! See the books on PCC cars put out by Interurbans,now Pentrex,for further details! That covers 50 plus years of history,that have been hidden from the public at large 😳! The comments are very useful and long overdue! Thank you for your time and effort 🙏!
You rat! You stole my thunder, but thanks for the terrific post. I don't think the Commies even changed one millimeter on the power units other than possibly the gage. Thank you Firestone Tires! Thank you General Motors! Thank you Standard Oil for forming your nefarious little "National City Lines Corp" that purchased and ripped asunder more than 400 streetcar systems during its nasty existance.
The same kind of irony applies to how places that were once cradles of rail bound transport largely abandoned it (and sometimes rediscovered it decades later). One could go and play the game of east vs. west or capitalism vs. communism, but at the end of the day, it's all just different parts of one whole. Yes, these trams may have taken a lot from American trams, but the first electrified tram lines were also built around and in St. Petersburg, and when many of the places where rail based technologies had been traditionally ingrained or even invented started abandoning it, the Soviet Union invested in them, and now, a good number of its old units still exist. It's not black and white, "this or that". It's "this and that".
With all due respect, your post is one of the many misconceptions of Western people regarding the Soviet industry. PCC-design was never implemented in the USSR. The tram KTM-5 did not have an accelerator, did not have pedal control. Instead of the accelerator, a group rheostat controller of its own design was used. The only element similar in design to the PCC were bridge type trucks with rubber wheel shrouds. KTM-5 had electric doors with external suspension, instead of PCC car. In principle, I don't care what people think about our national achievements. But it is need to follow the facts in technical history? at least. The first Soviet all-metal tram was built in 1936. It was called M-36. The influence of American design was obvious, but there was not some exact copy! It was rather desire to follow-up technical fashion of the leader. PCC-design could not be copied in Russia, due to technical lag. Russia had completely different tasks. Therefore, simpler technical solutions were used. Today's people do not understand that in 1917-1920, when the American Standard Birney Car was produced in thousands of pieces, there was no industry in Russia, there were millions of homeless children, the Civil War raged, and the USSR bought 1000 steam locomotives for gold in Germany and Sweden. Please read Herbert Wells's article "Russia in the Dark." To claim this is the same as to say that the PCC idea was stolen from German engineer Alfred Bockemühl. Back in 1931, he came up with the ingenious Hechtwagen design, in which all PCC ideas were presented - the separation of systems into power and low-voltage, semi-automatic button control, pedal brake and high speed. PCC car is no more that the rough copy of the Grosser Hecht Wagen of 1931.
@@Dziki_z_Lasu Зверь из леса, Ford's car was the real predecessor of the PCC. In any case, it was an attempt to compete with mass motorization. Unsuccessful, unfortunately. There is nothing in common between Peter Witt and PCC. Tomato was not a precursor to cucumber, although both intended to eat. Peter Witt figured out how to speed up the boarding and exit of passengers - a payment system when leaving the car. He divided the tram cabin into the front for passengers for short distances, and the rear for long trips. Quick entrance without payment through the front door, payment to the conductor when leaving the door in the middle.
Meanwhile, Gothenburg bought italian trams that rust as soon as there is any moisture in the air, and stop running as soon as temperatures drop below 0°C. The AC stops working if it's too hot or too cold.
Wow! Thank you for sharing this video. Those little trams are certainly tough . Ive never even heard of those trams before.but they are very tough and hard working just. Like the people that ride them hopefully they don't get rid of them.Best wishes from America,we're rooting for you over there.
Toronto tram "help, there was a mcdonalds straw on the track and my fault sensors tripped saying im on fire"
Soviet Tram "i was shot and rammed by a german leopard tank, i will tow him home as a sign of honor among warriors"
As a Toronto resident from Communist Poland; True story 🤣🤣
TTC services isn‘t good
Old but gold
The O train in Ottawa be like:
Oh no someone touched the door guess my entire electrical system needs to be disconnected
@@myrealusername2193 true lmao
This has made me: an American who hasn't even stepped a foot in Europe - feel a level sympathy and appreciation for a small tram I will most likely never see in my entire life. These things have a certain charm to them.
travel more! then u can view the world not only from us bubble
They do have a charm to them , and if a place like that was still left in the usa, they would bulldoze it over, put up a wall-mart, a car dealership, a chipotle, and then if you wanted to have such an experience, then you would have to buy a ticket to go to walt disney world to see it rebranded ... and pay a 200 dollar entrance fee
On the US side we had something similar with BUDD company built R32 cars for the nyc subway. Built in 1963-1964 they persevered and outlived multiple class types that came after and were just recently retired. They even had a second spring on life as the new R179 cars that were to replace them broke down, having the r32s be reinstated for service.
@@pyrat3538 I've been abroad, when I was stationed in South Korea as I'm currently in the USAF, but there are countless countries I would absolutely love to visit. I absolutely love the history involving countries my own nation deemed as foes at one point, and I absolutely love the history of the Soviet Union and Germany.
that's what europe is about
To be honest. I could watch 50 hours of these trams running around
I reckon I have spent 50 hours riding on them! The amount of squeal on corners was truly impressive,
But riding them is another story...
same bro , same.
Same they're adorable
wait for some random american to call you a communist
Him: "The KTM-5s angular and awkward design..."
Me: DON'T LISTEN TO HIM YOU'RE PERFECT THE WAY YOU ARE
that first shot of the tram bobbing along was adorable idk what the narrator's thinking saying it isn't cute xD
Fr its cuteeeee
@@waffelo4681 ikr its cute
Correction: "...angular and awesome design...."
Two things
1: I'm the 666 person to like this
2: right as he said that I just scrolled past ur comment
I love how these 50+ year old trams were designed to last just 16 years. Like, they were made indestructible _by accident_
That's soviet engineering for you
Haha, so true!
@@Laurabeck329 that's survivorship bias. Soviet engineers also created Chernobyl power plant and my parents' old vacuum cleaner. Can't say anything good about them.
like the Czechoslovakian Class 451/452 they had a lifespam of 15 years. enntered service in 1964 withdrawn in 2018
In soviet engieneering designing to last 16 years means it should not break for 16 yeas of non-stop use, while in capitalism engieneering designing to last 16 years means it will break after about 16 years
Nothing more heart breaking than a sad babushka
Yes her sad pension
I live in Russia, and that's really sad...
Every country deserves a babushka driving a Soviet tram
I see you around a lot
You again?? :00
@David Jones what of the babushka wants to drive the tram
I rode on them.
May she enjoy both her job and good health for years to come
We don't have Soviet trams
but we do have Czechoslovak trams, as well as trams we made ourselves. The Czechoslovak trams still work like a charm. Part of the glorious vibe of Pyongyang
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic was a member Warsaw Pact
@@space_fox2062 yes
Is this really you, Dear Leader?
They looks stylish as hell.
How did you even connect to TH-cam?
TH-cam finally gives me a good recomendation. I'm from Dzerzhinsk and these trams are my childhood. These trams give me my love for all rail transport: trains, trams, metro. I literally can't believe that it's been already 9 years from closing last route.
"no other machine can be kept in working order using a hammer and swear words"
sounds about right
Basically anything that was made in the commie era
Good ol soviet black magic
Hammer and Sickle
Simple
they just give it a big old cyka blyat every time they swing the hammer
Soviet design was beautiful in its reliability. You could beat it, toss it in the mud and stomp on it, and it will still serve long after you are dead and gone.
They are so old and unique that they became iconic, like San Francisco street cars or the Lissabon trams.
Or most Trams in Blackpool
me to.
Except iirc SF collect unique trams and take good care of them. These Russian trams are mostly covered in rust and falling apart.
@@bennymountain1 Thats what makes it special
Oldie but goodie.
I felt so terrible for that older lady losing her job at the 3:15 mark. These trams were literally her life and at her age, you take that away in such a heartbreaking manner, it leaves her without a purpose and these are the members of society who quickly fade away. Reminds me of a story I heard of a very old lighthouse keeper on the Great Lakes who lost his job due to automation and he was so heartbroken, he died in his sleep on his last night on duty at his lighthouse.
The wonderful tram operation in Ust Illimsk (from 01:20) was also stopped forever on 12/31/2022. 😞
When the newer trams have to go to the depoo during Icy or really cold conditions, our KT4 trams continue hustling up and down the street. This as of March 2021.
Depot not depoo
March ?
What city are you talking about?
dude its not March yet
I know this is cliche but this tram is the AK47 of the tram world.
спасибо за видео. эти работяги кажется были с нами всегда, они символ быта. эти трамвайчики очень тёплые и уютные, а это очень важно в серые рабочие будни
wow i feel for miss valentina, i actually wanted to cry for her. sad too to see a tram system dismantled.
she reminded me of Aunt Lydia from Handmaid's Tale
I felt the same. In Belgium we had "the small train" going from village to village carrying workers to the town's railway station to go to the bigger cities or transporting goods between small factories. When the last train left (on a truck) my father took off his hat and placed it on his hart, like we did when a funeral passed by...
@@Dr.K.Wette_BE I'm pretty sure this happened in the Netherlands as well, when the local trams were shut down shortly after the second world war (or before, as the autobus was already the great competitor to rail-transport).
I live in a town 18 km above Amsterdam, where we had the tram from the NZH. The busstation in the city center where I live, still bears the name of the tramstation that used to be there till (I think) 1956 (Tramplein = Tramsquare).
Originally, it wasn't located at the spot where it is now, they moved it some 20 meters west.
@@weeardguy Ja dat kan best zijn, er zijn ook plaatsen in België waar "tram" in zit. En stations dat nu huizen zijn.
@@Dr.K.Wette_BE Ja, hetzelfde als de vele lokaalspoorlijnen die verdwenen zijn, maar waar voormalige halteplaatsen te herkennen zijn aan namen als 'Stationsstraat' 'Spoorlaan' en dergelijke.
Yes, just like the many local railroads that have disappeared, with the many places where they had their stops can still be found by looking for 'Station-street' or 'Railroad-lane' and such.
Never before was I so proud of this creaking monster
🤣🤣🤣 I love it 😎
😂😂
The AK-47 of public transport. Love these old ladies still doing their service
Totally agree. When you're served with it you start to cry and pray.
I think you meant AKM. AK-47 was a prototype that was never mass produced.
Soviets Era Vehicles are literally goddamn invincible.
Not only vehicle, but also power equipment. I work on power plant, the fist generator of which was turned on in 1962, and it still works.
Apparently they can't build a car that can start in the winter so its not a universal trait.
John cena: 👁👄👁
@@lolroflroflcakes cars can start their engines in the winter, but not in severe winter conditions of some Siberian towns. You can’t start and engine when oil supply is literally frozen, can’t you?
@@rhoninwindrunner7575 They specifically said minus 30/40 celsius. As a teenager I had a old GMC truck that ran fine in those conditions. No freezing oil or anything.
its interesting that people from non-materialistic (non-consumerist) societies can form such bonds with non-living things. in a sense, it's a being like us, only non-biological. i feel sorry for any old tram or car or trusk when it's cut up. especially after a life of great service to the citizens.
Soviet society was certainly not non-consumerist. Consumerism is in human nature, attempts to fight it by ideologies (and widespread scarcity of the most basic goods) lead to the ugliest forms of consumer's neurosis and even more unattractive consumer's behavior than we despise in the west.
Trams (and also trains, cars, buses...) are indeed living (or at least zoomorphic) things. They have two eyes and a smile, and once I've seen it, I could not unsee it anymore.
@@RailwaysoftheWorld1 Hehe they do! at least the older ones (TKM 101 for life!), newer ones are much more dead and to phrase one comment i heard; they remind me of hospital body scan room.
Sorry, i phrased it wrongly on consumerism; it was a "normal" society in terms of consumption, in a sense that there was no ideological attempt to make humans into impulsive, empty consumers like in the west. and so, the humans were more-less grateful to and respected the material things they had access to, be it an old bicycle, car or tram. even old, they were useful and often had emotional cultural and identnty worth. while now, "New" and "fashionable" is king.
Dunno, i always saw things as living objects... japanese have this philosophy as well, where an old and revered object gains a soul after a long time.
Anyways, hope to see more of your videos in the future! Good luck!
Same here! 'Must get out more.
USSR was country obsessed with consumerism. It was not like in the West, due to peculiarities of the Soviet political and economic systems, but more closer to barter.
@@bluemoondiadochi It was not.
As a Russian, let me tell you - Soviet people were obsessed with material goods. Especially foreign ones. They were symbols of status and connections. It didn't matter, if USSR could produce the same things itself - people were simply hooked up on idea of "foreign means better and elevates me more in the eyes of other people". In order to show their wealth - everything worked - like cheap carpets from Asian republics, some fake jewelry and, most of all, clothes and cars.
For example, foreign jeans or cassette tape recorder meant in Soviet society, that you are league above others and people were going for enormous length to acquire them.
Also, obsession of Russians with old stuff is not, because, of "high spirituality" or something like that, but, because, more often than not it is everything Russian could had under Soviet regime. Like shitty Soviet cars, shitty Soviet transport and the like.
Rare cases, when they were not shitty, usually meant, they were made for the elites or copypasted from the West and, yes, were made for elites.
So, please, abandon, all notions and myths that people in a Soviet Union were somehow more spiritual or less obsessed with materialistic culture. Materialistic culture was enormous part of the Soviet life, but everyone pretended it is not.
Thank You, friend, for this heartwarming video. Now I began to treat this exhausted workhorse with respect.
Спасибо!
“some billionaire would bring them to the SF transport museum,” he said, thinking wishfully
(this is a dig but honestly same)
Nope. The Museum has no rolling stock of its own; Muni is the one. AND, it would have to date before 1952 to escape required ADA modifications through historical exemptions (which is why our Berlin car isn’t ever in service). Plus, we have no idea what Covid economic damage will linger, especially given California’s historically bad leadership, and an exodus of fortunes and corporations we’ve never before experienced.
billionaires and rich people in general hate public transit so thats very unlikely lol
@Tech&More4U It may seem that way today, but your grasp of history is woefully inadequate. Before the airplane we had some great trains, and let’s not forget the Pullman car, one of America’s great rail innovations. City-wise, with the first working, safe, reliable, all weather cable car system developed in San Francisco, and the first working, reliable, safe, all weather tram developed in Virginia, the US one led, even dominated the urban rail business, as you see today in San Francisco’s “F” line fleet, where 1920’s trams from Milan are based on a design developed in Ohio, and operate on a GE system developed in the US. Melbourne trams from the forties were simply updated cattle cars from the twenties, while the US operated state of the art all electric streamlined metal trams with comfy seats. Yeah, today we’re the Mississippi of international rail transit, and should be ashamed of ourselves, but get your history straight.
@Marcus Alberto @Dallas Drew two bots detected
5:20
Can confirm that they are comfy in winter. Even too comfy.
I didn't know about those heaters and melted my fancy rubber shoes once :D
Shoes? I have a 5x2 centimeter scar on my leg below the knee from the heater. 20 years ago babushka pressed my leg against the heater with her bag.
Exactly. These heaters are great, but sometimes they can go crazy...
@@NGC1433 oh yeah, babushkas with bags are the real danger😨
Ah, I remember when this tram appeared on our streets for the first time many years ago... It seemed so modern and new, comparing to the old trams!
Шкода супер, а это так себе
Рекомендации Ютуба такие рекомендации)
на обломках павшей империи... как то зловеще звучит
Ага
Рекомендуют всё, что обкавнякивает ссср, англичанка мелко гадит
@@yethv0stik882 емкое описание
@@lexxsimf2 автор канала из новосибирска
Perfection lies in simplicity. I would like to see this tram the same care that the world cities provided to the Czech Tatra T3. I hope there are enthusiasts. who will be engaged in the reconstruction of many cars. I have seen how beautifully renovated Russian-made trams are in operation in some cities.
Man
Yeah, In Latvia 80% of our trams are T3's. Im so suprised how long can that huge steel brick live.
@@INFILTRATOR2008 No need to use images of Ukrainian roads. Most of Russia infrastructure is just as awful. i had my fair share of experience 😒
Those enthusiasts will have to be rich 😬AND interested in trams... Unlikely😟
Не понимаю, почему все невзлюбили дизайн этого вагона? Отличный дизайн! Тот же Консталь со своим дизайном узкого, рубленого топором бруска. Можем еще вспомнить ЛМ-68м со своим дизайном старого Чешского серванта. По сравнению с ними этот «красный ящик» является просто эталоном технической красоты.
One of the great crimes in Los Angeles history was getting rid of the red cars.
The L.A. trams were built by a real estate company that bought up a large swath of empty land for dirt cheap prices. It was cheap because it was so far from town, nobody wanted to be that far. To entice people to buy their land and homes, the company built the tram system to provide a cheap and speedy way for their real estate customers to get into their jobs in town. Also, the company built an electric utility station that produced electrical power that serviced the area they were selling off for homes. They powered their trams with some of the electricity produced by their own power station. They ran the trams with power at wholesale prices. Even with cheap electricity, the trams were always ran at a loss because the company made its money from the land sales.
Two things happened that caused them to sell the tram system. One was the state passed a law that made it illegal for them to power the trams from their power plant. The other was that they sold off the last of their land. The tram lost money, and was only built to get people to buy their land, so the reason for the tram to exist went away, and it was foolish to run a business that loses money. General Motors bought the system and closed it down. It's possible that the city, or county, may have eventually bought it, and subsidized its operation with tax funds, but it's also possible that they would not have done that.
Ussr won this round....
@@deezynar jack London describes that whole process in the second part of his novel Burning Daylight, in which the main character - Elam Harrish is that up and coming mogul that bought the land and built the tram system (or the water ferries... I don't recall)
But thanx a lot for your historical overview! Very interesting!!!
I was looking in the comments for someone who would bring what the Russians are facing home to what we faced here when to drag more profits out of working people for themselves, corporate petrol and big auto sabotaged and derailed our once fine mass trans in America. The unfair bus competition will become the only fair, and that fair will be unfair, without the competition of the economical trams, rest assured.
@@deezynar Not entirely true. No US rail transit system made a profit after the mid-1920s. The nickel fare had become practically sacred and a political third rail. Costs went up, service demands increased, but the nickel fair was practically carved in granite. Worse, unions (I’m a union worker so I’m not against them, but their actions make me wince some times) in California (SF and LA in particular) managed to get two man teams instituted as a safety precaution,which only added expense, especially (in SF) when PCC cars were designed for one man crews. These rules pushed out streetcars in favor of buses which weren’t legally obligated to have conductors. Then, of course, the Feds pushed Americans to the burbs after the War (GI bill and all that) to what, protect us from nukes by dispersing us (or at least the white person “us”)? The burbs were built and served by freeways, not streetcar lines and often did not have on ramps and exits into the old urban nabes. In any case, many different companies, including real estate ventures, owned streetcar companies in LA, but the biggest and most famous was the progeny of the Octopus itself, the Southern Pacific Railroad, built by the son of its founder, Henry Huntington, and of course known as the Pacific Electric, the PE, or simply The Red Cars.
I'm from DPR, Kramatorsk. We had a tram system from 1939 to 2017 years, and it's too sad, that I haven't got any ride on them - the legendary KTM-5M3😢. It's also pity, that in other, bigger cities in Russia tram, and trolleybus systems are closing - even in capital of Russia, Moscow the trolleybus was distracted, and a lot of people are lost their best work, because not all likes electrobuses. But, in Russia the situation of electric transport is started to change in 2022-2023, and I hope, that we even could return closed systems, if they are needy to people! ❤ And I have an idea of one of the next video about legendary soviet trams - RVZ-6 tram from local fabric in Riga, Latvia. Well, it's older, than KTM-5, but also brutal and beautiful, thanks to his circular shapes. And I know a famous around the world soviet and russian trolleybus ZiU-9, because his tirage was 42000 exemplars! I hope, I'll see these videos about them 😊
Valentina I'm so sorry. Trains/trams deserve much more respect. Love / a kind hug from a follow cold weather citizen in 🇨🇦
Thanks 👍
It was pretty amazing to see my home town of Naberezhnye Chelny in the video. Unlike in many post-Soviet towns tram transportation keeps evolving here. KTM 5 are about half of all trams. Others are newer KTM 19 and KTM 23. There are 400 km of tram routes here. Just yesterday I've made up my mind to make a tram journey to the most distant tram stop of my town. It will take 1 hour and a half one way.
why dont you film that journey and share it with us?
Wow 400km on a tram😯 that's a lot.
I'm amazed over how much the KTM-5 looks similar to the Kawasaki-built trams used in Philadelphia. I get that it's an apples to orange comparison, but that was my first thought when I saw this video. It also speaks volumes about how poor infrastructure maintenance is in most of the former Soviet bloc.
Yeah, after the collapse of the USSR, things deteriorated in quite a few countries, particularly the ones that relied on membership of the bloc to get enough funding to keep their infrastructure working. The USSR were very keen on public transport, far more so than NATO countries, especially the USA.
Since these trams are based on westinghouse pcc technology it isn't suprising the look similar to other designs with lineage to the same base.
True, they are of the same shape concept with Philly’s Kawasaki, although that Kawasaki is a bit stronger made, more durable frame
@@steviecureman2837 Durable indeed. I'm amazed that Kawasaki trams in Philly have lasted as long as they did, considering they were built in the early 1980s. I'm sure they're going to be replaced sooner rather than later if SEPTA gets their act together, but that's a testament to Kawasaki's reliability (at least in that era).
Try to maintain railway infrastracture in permafrost.
Thanks! Hello from Latvia
In Bulgaria we had a big factory, making trams in the capital Sofia. The trams were called Sofia-100. They were produced from the beginning of the 70s. Yes, they were noisy, old, but very very reliable. They were the main trams in the city till 2000s. In 2012 the government had a deal with the EU, they gave some money for buying new trams, buses. On the 24th of May 2013, on the Day of the Cyrillic writing and culture the old trams were ridden for the holiday and the next day after that the city was waken with 4-5 closed tram lines and all of the socialist tram warriors parked in the biggest tram port and after couple of weeks of hard-working cutting and scraping work, the legendary Sofia-100 trams were now history- from the hundreds crossing the streets just a month ago, now there are officially 2 remained- the training tram and one service green tram, who they saved for the history museum. Now the only one soviet build transport vehicles are maybe the trolley Icarus 280t, who waits for the same fate as his fallow comrades.
I'm also so mad that the old trolleys will go, because they serve as transport for *45 years* and they are unbelievably reliable. Even in a close town to the capital there is a factory, specialized in making main recovery and services for the Icarus 280t.
0:47 Which will never happen, because of California law banning import of streetcars newer than 1955. That's actually the reason the museum doesn't have a Tatra T-class yet, according to their website.
Please, make a second part! Tram history across the world is fascinating and you had some excellent footage compiled here.
But... there already is a second part 🤗
Автору. Спасибо за Усть-Илимск и русские титры.
The tram shown at 10:12 - 10:17 - is factory - built and has nothing to do with passanger cars. But the words themselves are absolutely true, many service cars were converted from passanger cars by the depot forces
Простой, надёжный и безотказный как трёхлинейка.
всратая расиюшка
@@avistanet910 Спасибо за Крым.
А это точно советский? Не было в союзе таких
@@alexeyled4680 Очень смелое заявление. Откуда они в таком случае взялись, хотелось бы знать? С Марса прилетели?
@Ivan Mustafaev Если бы Хрущёв не отдал Украине Крым, а Ельцин им его не оставил, в этом бы не было необходимости. А Крым обошёлся нам слишком дорого, чтобы оставлять его Украине.
Found this completely by accident but was absorbed through the whole film! Thanks!
"Soviet empire"
*Lenin has left the chat*
Ха-ха, смешно, ленин сдох 100 лет назад с 1917 года СССР вся эта херня и зараждалась, еслиб не он то бы все было уверен как у всех цивилизованных стран, вам то смешно вы не жили в регионах России, а нам не очень
it was an empire
@@dl6105,если бы не Ленин, то кто угодно, кроме Ленина. Какая херня зарождалась? Что значит "цивилизованные страны"?
@@-_Hatred_- цивилизованные - те которые в свое время легли под цивилизаторов в кожанках от хьюго босса. .
@@luctapia lol no
Back when engineering meant something durable, instead of going for some flimsy "prettiest colour scheme" design award and parts that cost too much to fix...
Function before esthetic.
Planned obsolesence.
Hope it will go away in the future.
@@Brato1986 It will because those that still built things the way they're meant to be built are dying off because kids rather want to work in an Office than with their hands.
@@lolly166541 What kid wants to work in an office, most of them want to be influencers lmao
Yeah. A whole research institute of "Aesthetics" designed something completely out of aesthetics, made out of cheap materials to last only 16 years, kept only by miracle of golden hands, but yeah
It's not about the aesthetic. You can have pretty and durable, they are not mutually exclusive. It's about manufacturers deliberately making garbage so u have to keep giving them money by having to fix it.
Oh wow, your voice is lovely and I do enjoy the way you're telling this story. Thanks for the video man.
The KTM-5 is derived from Czech Tram Tatra T3, which are stil pretty common in Prague, Czechia. And they are very well maintained. You should do a video about the T3 legend (if you didn't already, I didn't search your channel). The T3 is an evolution of T2 and T1, which was a PCC licence. So in a sense, the KTM-5 is PCC derived.
Indeed. The PCC heritage is obvious from the first look at the proportions and the bogies.
@@comandanteej KTM-5 has never been technically related to Tatra T3. Though it looked similar some way, they had absolutely different control systems. The Tatra has a pedal controller while the KTM has a manual one. The body structure and the coupling unit are also different. In some cities (such as Krasnodar and Nizhniy Novgorod) Tatras and KTMs are even served by different depots. But 71-402 (403, 405, 407...) and modern Ukrainian trams (К-1) are really based on Tatra T6B5.
Although the KTM5 has a simplified electric control system, the bogies are a faithful copy of the PCC B3 bogies. A similar situation was with the Soviet RVZ and LM wagons, only there was an additional pneumatic system, just like in the pre-war versions of the PCC. It is said that the Soviet RVZ, LM and KTM wagons are derived from the Czechoslovak CKD-Tatra which is based on the PCC license. But how can we explain the fact that the first prototypes of the RVZ-51/52 wagons appeared in 1951, and the production of the Tatra T1 started in 1952, while the first T1 copies were delivered to the USSR only in 1957?
The two big headlights and the tall windscreen make these things look cute in a 3-legged-puppy sort of way. I hope they stick around for awhile.
The most amazing thing shown here is the emotional connection one can have with a machine, especially older people who have lived with them from tens of years.
(Talking about that I've read a story about how here in Greece, in Crete, in an elderly man's house that used to be a bus owner and driver, next to the photos he had of his family, ancestors, children, grandchildren, he also had photos of his buses. Those buses for him were part of the family)
My city (Thessaloniki Greece) used to have a tram system until 1956 were it was all dismantled for the sake of buses. There's still hope one day the tram will return (even though we are now building an underground railway which you could also call an underground tram )
I still mourn the good-old-days when Denver Tramways lowered the trolley of the .04 for the last time. It - what is lest of it - is currently undergoing a static display for Arvada Colo.
I can tell you it is especially weird and sometimes sad to live in a "transformation country" like East Germany for example, EVERYTHING that you knew and loved, trams, trains, lorries, buses, shops, certain types of food or candy, cinemas, anything that had character and was kinda unique despite being a bit run down was gone, completely vanished from the face of the earth and replaced by (mostly) soulless and unfamiliar modern stuff. (Not saying that I didn't find new candy I liked , but damn i still miss some of the old ones tastes)
fills your heart with a weird sense of sentimentality. But it's forbidden to admit it because you aren't allowed to have nostalgia for anything from communist times because even the trashcans were evil communist constructs and replaced within 2 years.
It is the same in all industries. When we replaced the last rotary telephone exchanges at the beginning of the 90's, their crew was also retiring and had lots of memories of power outages, technical faults, major overhauls and expansions and upgrades from their past. Machines help us a during our work, and it's normal to get emotionally attached, with those machines that were sharing a lot of adventures with. Also many old retired pilots have pictures of their aircraft at their home....so yes, it's amazing, yet normal :)
Here in Palermo where I live right now, they dismantled too the old tram sistem, but they rebuilt it in the other half of the city some years ago and it's usual to break because they rushed out the building of the trams because they were late with the new tracks and to this day the tram and busses company is in debt because they cannot pay the "new" and "beautiful" trams
The city I was going to university in (Voronezh) had the tram system dismantled, but the town I live in (Stary Oskol) we have about 50 of the old red ones (idk which model, I'm not that into them😄) and a few new-ish trams. All working and looking fine, the track is in good condition too. I'm guessing us being an ore mining town helps fund it, especially since it's sole purpose is to go from and through town to the smelting factory🤷But then Voronezh is an older city, not built for the amount of cars we have today, so they tried to free the streets I guess, but my town is well thought out and designed so trams don't get in the way, so they live😭
У меня в городе такой трамвай переоборудован под передвижное кафе . Заказываешь что нибудь, и за столиком ездишь по городу )
A really good watch. Amazing that the KTM 5 was so square while the T3 was elegant.
I am a huge tram / trolley fan and this is one of if not the best film / videos I have ever seen. Thank you!
In Aarhus, Denmark we have nice new trams that cannot run when it's around 0 Celsius.
frick the letbane bring back the regual aarhus - grenaa regional railway
Awesome! Thought that kind of head shaking stupidity was limited to Britain and France. But no........
Here in the north middle of Germany the complete rail system broke down for a week after 40 cm snow!
And back in the 1910s the Aarhus trams still operated normally, when there were snowstorms.
@@fabianschneider5992 Well.. it does every winter. As if we couldn’t see it coming
1:03 Zlatoust city, Chelyabinsk region. In Zlatoust, a tram road was built on which the running tests of these trams were carried out. Ust-Katav (there is a tram production plant located in it) near the city of Zlatoust. Ггород Златоуст, Челябинская. В Зластоусте посторена трамвайная дорога на которой проводились ходовые испытания этих трамваев. г.Усть-Катав (в нем располежен завод по производству трамваев) недалеко от г. Златоуста
It's only a matter of time before Mr Bald and Bankrupt will show up.
Блин, я смотрел это видео анимированной картинкой в ленте ютуба не открывая и читая субтитры, и прям был уверен, что это оцифрованная русская речь, так хорошо слова складывались в текст (неужели субтитры вручную качественно составляли). Good job! Very good
Спасибо! Ютуб английские сам синхронизирует с речью, потом сам же переводит на русский, сохраняя тайминги, дальше надо просто поправить ошибки автоперевода, вот так и получаются качественные субтитры)
8:25 "In the city of Daugavpils they are still working like new". That's true! Some years ago they bought a number of new cars that replaced the even older ones from RVR. But the KTM are still very reliable and we will going on to keep them in service longer.
BTW the new ones are the newer model of the same factory, they're sometimes called KTM-23 and KTM-31. The newest (delivered in 2020) are Russian made as well but are made by competitors.
Трамваи любимый транспорт с детства.
I am a simple culture man. I see a video about trams or trains: I click.
I see you are a man of culture as well
Hello from the UK. Interesting video.
Wow! Very nice! All what you telling in this film is true. Especially about design. When i was a children this tram really makes me scarred, but now i love it. It's nice to see my content using in such a great movie :) Thanks!
Thank you so much. There was only such trams in my childhood in Naberezhnye Chelny (KAMAZ factory). And they were and are allways in good condition.
SF, you deserve it! X)
Ух ты, земляк! Я тоже только что посмотрел...
Great video man, just keep going
Very informative
Greetings from Serbia
Хвала! 😀
@@RailwaysoftheWorld1 Нема на чему пријатељу. И енглески ти је сасвим добар, ако мене питаш, нема потребе за професионалним наратором. Поздрав
Добро пожаловать, друг. А английский у вас неплохой, если вы спросите меня, в профессиональном рассказчике нет необходимости. Приветствие
I love machines, and especially those designed by parallel societies with different priorities. Thank you for sharing!
Those trams constructed so much better than stroads in United States.
Ой, как здорово, что на английском сделали и субтитры. Как раз английский учу
Как же классно смотреть видео да и ещё с переводчиком яндекса, прям настоящий документальный фильм!) Спасибо за видео.
Sometimes old is better than new especially if it still works like when it was new
As mentioned in the video, this is not the case, it was like this from the very beginning. The tram was designed as a cheaper alternative to Tatra T3 when political climate with Czech Republic worsened, and (especially) when the USSR became too poor to afford T3s
Well not really. Look at Japan, when new stuff is built better, learning and building on past experiences and knowledge new only gets better.
as the saying goes, don't fix what ain't broke!
LOL in some cases sure. But these are clearly in horrible shape.
Great vid thank you👊🇺🇸
5:33 looks like a smartphone holder made from 2mm steel with use of welding
Wow, nice catch!
горькая правда. в челябинске катаются. пытались заменить, но безуспешно. новые трамваи скоропостижно ломаются ещё на этапе тестирования по названным причинам. пути собирались менять в прошлом году, но дело затягивается. пытаются внедрить в массы такую идею, что подобного вида транспорт не выгоден и не практичен в современном мире.
Thank you very much for this video - so professionally made and narrated! Please continue and keep this high level👍👍👍
These beautiful trams deserve exactly this level of appreciation! Honest and clear. Loved the video, thanks man. Sincerely, a Russian tram lover.
The Czech Tatra T3 trams are older and much more widespread than these. Anyway, these are kinda cute with its boxy design. Something similar to Tatra T6A5, but not as modern.
So nice warm video about our working horse! Thank you!
This video makes it feel like it's lovely, cozy and exciting to ride this good old soviet tram.
"Перелом пантографа" - это бесценно.
Wow sir, you have my respect! For not many people can say "marshrutka" properly. ;)
"Залом пантографа",
Велик и могуч русский язык блягодаря богатству приставок и суффиксов, начинаешь писать по-английски и страдаешь от того, как, порой, убого получается 😟
The fact that they can stay upright on some of those tracks is impressive.
every frame of this video is deliberate! perfection!
I tried my best, thank you!
Just a little fact. KTM trams were like indication of how much government willing to spend on the city infrastructure. If you're getting KTM instead of Czech Tatra T3 means you're living in a shithole.
Hm. That's a funny observation)
Тепло?! Ну, не знаю. Ни разу я не прокатился в теплом КТМ-5. За свои 43 года.
Excellent, greetings from Poland.
The grass covered rails in Latvia look beautiful.
Well done! Excellent photography with an excellent commentary. Tram systems enthusiasts from Australia (like me) are rarely likely to visit.
Thank you very much, I am so glad that this is of interest even on the other side of the world!
Bandicam footage in 2020, I see the trams ain't the only blast from the past, here
To be honest, I'm from Dzerzhinsk and tram in our city was closed about 8-9 years ago. So Bandicam is understandable in this situation)
Thank you for sharing the story of dzerzhinsk tram and mentioning the true reasons why local tram system was destroyed
No matter where in the world, once trams and infrastructures are destroyed, people regret it. Over here in Holland we once had an extensive tram network consisting of many companies. A few remained, mainly in our main cities. Only one intercity tramline survived: HTM (Haagse Tramweg Maatschappij) Lijn 1 from The Hague-Scheveningen to Delft. Apart fom this line, our three main cities Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague operate modern trams on well maintained routes within city limits and nearby smaller communities like the RET-line (Rotterdamse Electrische Tram) to Barendrecht. Brand new lines were introduced just recently in the city of Utrecht. So, Russia, preserve what’s left. Combat destruction of still operative tram systems, no matter how run down they may be. Fight corruption, keep money where it belongs instead of sending it to Moscow.
@@leyland9999 Yep. I live in a city which was once part of quite an extensive network of local trams (NZH). I think the last 2 decades the idea of re-introducing the tram just keeps resurfacing at least once a year. With the opening of the North-South metroline in Amsterdam, those ideas have now become even worse: it should be extended all the way to where the tram once was...
@@weeardguy This idea of re-introducing the tramways in former NZH territory exist for decades now. The way it once was will never come back, unfortunately. However, parts of the former network might emerge again but must be implemented soon.
@@leyland9999 No it didn't cease operation for nothing. Especially De Beemster will be a hard-to-justify area to re-introduce the tram. The downside is that re-introduction of the tram in Purmerend will mean the end of the bus-system as it is now (well... first let the current bus-system survive the covid-disaster...)
Realy very nice video. Thank you for uploading.
Superb video, many thanks!!
Glad you appreciate it!
As of tomorrow the trams of Ust-Ilimsk are no more.
This, and the follow-up video I watched before this one, makes me think of Gothenburg's old M28 and M29 trams, from the 60's and 70's respectively, they're still in service and numbers around 130-ish units just for this one city. They're just as old, but kept under better maintenence under the municipal funding and the heavy reliance on the tram network we have here. I'm quite sure that the KTM5's and the M28's and M29's will share a spot amongst the heroes of long service trams.
Привет из Усть-Илимска)
Thank you TH-cam algorithm for showing me this video.
Wow they are beautiful. More cities should have trams
For a long time I decided for myself that I don't put likes for videos. And that's why I put no more than 20 likes in a year. But I will definitely note this video. It turned out to be unexpected for me, non-trivial and moreover, it slightly changed my attitude towards KTM-5 for the better, despite the fact that as a layman I know a lot about trams for. And besides, in a foreign language. It's incredible.
There are three tram fleets in Nizhny Novgorod, and it is in the depot number 3, which serves the most industrial part of the city (Avtozavod = Automobile Plant), where all KTM-5s are located.
Thank you for you like! Three depots, impressive, Novosibirsk has two (had four before 2000s)
A funny video, you can see my hometown and its famous tram line "city - LPK" - this is the city of Ust-Ilimsk.Thanks for the material, from Russia with love)
Неожиданно, печально, но приятно)
I watched this video 20 times in the first DAY. I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS
Thank you!
You are welcome
В Астрахани раньше ходили эти трамваи. Помню в детстве ездил на 3 от Спутника до Больших Исад и далее на Савушкина. А потом все убрал прежний мэр.Эх..
В Саратове они до сих пор ходят
Привет! А мне больше на круговом "А" приходилось ездить. В 80-e. Набивали их нещадно в часы пик так, что дверь не закрывалась! Ой! А вечером, когда пассажиров мало, было очень приятно ехать. Татра хороша, но мне она ощущается тесной и дизайн её ещё в детстве воспринимался более архаичным, чем у КТМ. :-)
@@hist1h2aa2 Да, я и забыл, что был "А".)) Да, было дело, битком ездили. Икарусы ещё ходили, гармошки, как и во многих городах , тоже битком в часы пик набивались.
Long live the KTM 5! Great video, fine, professional sounding narrating voice.
The real irony is that those trams are PCC cars of,ready,American derived design! If one came to San Francisco,they would be among their long lost cousins! See the books on PCC cars put out by Interurbans,now Pentrex,for further details! That covers 50 plus years of history,that have been hidden from the public at large 😳! The comments are very useful and long overdue! Thank you for your time and effort 🙏!
You rat! You stole my thunder, but thanks for the terrific post. I don't think the Commies even changed one millimeter on the power units other than possibly the gage. Thank you Firestone Tires! Thank you General Motors! Thank you Standard Oil for forming your nefarious little "National City Lines Corp" that purchased and ripped asunder more than 400 streetcar systems during its nasty existance.
The same kind of irony applies to how places that were once cradles of rail bound transport largely abandoned it (and sometimes rediscovered it decades later). One could go and play the game of east vs. west or capitalism vs. communism, but at the end of the day, it's all just different parts of one whole. Yes, these trams may have taken a lot from American trams, but the first electrified tram lines were also built around and in St. Petersburg, and when many of the places where rail based technologies had been traditionally ingrained or even invented started abandoning it, the Soviet Union invested in them, and now, a good number of its old units still exist. It's not black and white, "this or that". It's "this and that".
With all due respect, your post is one of the many misconceptions of Western people regarding the Soviet industry. PCC-design was never implemented in the USSR. The tram KTM-5 did not have an accelerator, did not have pedal control. Instead of the accelerator, a group rheostat controller of its own design was used. The only element similar in design to the PCC were bridge type trucks with rubber wheel shrouds. KTM-5 had electric doors with external suspension, instead of PCC car.
In principle, I don't care what people think about our national achievements. But it is need to follow the facts in technical history? at least. The first Soviet all-metal tram was built in 1936. It was called M-36. The influence of American design was obvious, but there was not some exact copy! It was rather desire to follow-up technical fashion of the leader.
PCC-design could not be copied in Russia, due to technical lag. Russia had completely different tasks. Therefore, simpler technical solutions were used.
Today's people do not understand that in 1917-1920, when the American Standard Birney Car was produced in thousands of pieces, there was no industry in Russia, there were millions of homeless children, the Civil War raged, and the USSR bought 1000 steam locomotives for gold in Germany and Sweden. Please read Herbert Wells's article "Russia in the Dark."
To claim this is the same as to say that the PCC idea was stolen from German engineer Alfred Bockemühl. Back in 1931, he came up with the ingenious Hechtwagen design, in which all PCC ideas were presented - the separation of systems into power and low-voltage, semi-automatic button control, pedal brake and high speed. PCC car is no more that the rough copy of the Grosser Hecht Wagen of 1931.
@@Kashlaki Clicking on predecessors of this tram you end with Peter Witt streetcar, even older then PCC.
@@Dziki_z_Lasu Зверь из леса, Ford's car was the real predecessor of the PCC. In any case, it was an attempt to compete with mass motorization. Unsuccessful, unfortunately. There is nothing in common between Peter Witt and PCC. Tomato was not a precursor to cucumber, although both intended to eat. Peter Witt figured out how to speed up the boarding and exit of passengers - a payment system when leaving the car. He divided the tram cabin into the front for passengers for short distances, and the rear for long trips. Quick entrance without payment through the front door, payment to the conductor when leaving the door in the middle.
Fascinating video . Thanks for making it .
Meanwhile, Gothenburg bought italian trams that rust as soon as there is any moisture in the air, and stop running as soon as temperatures drop below 0°C. The AC stops working if it's too hot or too cold.
What a contrast! A driver of an antiquated tramcar with a hight tech smartphone! I love the tram cars!!
If anything, I would say that these soviet trams would the the last running thing in the world after any kind of apocalypse, they are that robust.
Along with a Toyota Camry?
@@khidorahian Don’t forget the Corolla my dude.
@@AFoxGuy Toyota isn't going to run on batteries without heavy modified, KTM can just pop some batteries on and it would still run.
Wow! Thank you for sharing this video. Those little trams are certainly tough . Ive never even heard of those trams before.but they are very tough and hard working just. Like the people that ride them hopefully they don't get rid of them.Best wishes from America,we're rooting for you over there.