You are one of the most natural teacher/instructors I've seen. Even with talent this must take a lot of prep... and it's appreciated. I always learn something of value from your videos, so thanks!
@@johnThornton-t9b You bet he does. Andrew has two different versions, watch both before you build. He comes with the receipts on how much they produce to how much electricity it takes. You are going to love it! Andrew is very methodical on what he does.
I'm the "ice man" and have a huge Playlist on homemade ice makers. Start here for the biggest series on TH-cam for homemade ice makers th-cam.com/video/6VsqPIA8LxM/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Andrew. Great video. I'm a 22 Year long Union Electrician Local 11, this video was a nice change from most of the wiring I see on TH-cam. 2 changes I would make would be to grind or wire brush the medal on your bonding around your pool as well as drill and tap 1/4" inch bolts instead of those self tappers. As far as the wire. The THHN vs THWN the W is for wet locations like submersible pumps and similar. The THHN is great for your application. You can also find standard 500' rolls of wire at the hardware store and just buy a roll of black, Red, white, or Green, and just buy the colors you need and pull them in the conduit. Thanks and keep up the great content.
That's very true, but I prefer the twisted tri wire because it pushes through the conduit nicely. Not to mention I priced out the individual wire and it was almost 2 1/2 times the cost per foot to buy it individually 😳. These prices and supply is ridiculous.
Your vids are always so calming to watch after a rough day. I saw the ice machine but came for the outside bar, and stayed for pretty much everything else.
Hi, Andrew! You can’t keep a good man down! There you are back at work on the pool. Thanks for all your hard work making these videos for all of us. Promise me that you will take care of yourself.
Lol, not sure how I survived swimming in a pool like that back in the 70’s that the pump was plugged into a two prong plug 100’ feet from the house on a 14 gauge extension cord! It makes sense, but it’s crazy how regs have changed over the years
Thanks for sharing your video. I knew when you said tape up your conduit ends to keep them from getting packed slap full of dirt, I knew you were Southern. My Dad was an electrician and that sounded just like something he'd say! Very good information!
Yet another great educational video! People can save their selves a lot of time & money not to mention frustration by watching your video! Another job well done 👊
Ground Bonding is the most important aspect of your Superior Made Video. Many Thanks I only wish I had that soft soil your dealing with instead of my Limestone Rock.
Love how clear the information is and how easy it is to understand. I am in California and am looking at installing a circuit for my Travel trailer. Need to start doing more research maybe do it myself since it will be such a short run
we use a shop-vac and twine to pull wire through long conduit runs, just tie something like a plastic grocery bag to the twine and stuff it in one end suck it from the other end with the vacuum, when you have string through the run, then tie the twine to your wire and pull it through. done 500' or more in 2" conduit that way, works with mule tape too. makes it a lot easier than trying to feed it by hand.
Oh my goodness! I never knew there was so much to putting in a pool! But it’s better to be safe than sorry. I know you don’t want anyone to get injured because you cut corners on setting up the pool. Have a great day and enjoy the pool!😀
Very detailed Andrew 👍🏻👍🏻. The one thing I caught that you didn't mention was that an outside circuit for plug and cord connections has to be T/P with WR written on the face of the receptacle = tamper proof & weather resistant/rated. I always love watching your videos! Keep up the great work my friend.
The crazy thing about that (hate TP BTW) is the twist lock that your forced to use. Good luck finding a WR twist lock anywhere. The couple I could find are cord to cord connections, or come in through wall versions. I didn't see any that were designed to fit in a weatherproof enclosure. Get's frustrating following all these rules. Some seem necessary, some are just going overboard. Take care
@@TKCL I agree with you 100% about the code going overboard with some of this. I've never heard of the mandatory uses of twist locks on pool pumps. I'll study up on that. I have been doing a few outside outlets for sewer lift stations in Maryland. Tp & WR GFCI and outlets are readily available in my area. No shortage here.
Thank you for your video it's good information and it's correct grounding and bonding is really important. It's funny to read some comments especially as an electrician when you see how dangerous some people's pool and stalls are where they didn't even consider grounding and bonding or half of what you've got here. Lol
Nice to see the procedure. Needed a sanity check since my neighbor apparently has been running essentially an extension cord on top of the ground 75 feet for over 2 years and apparently had no permit which means no inspections either.
Bonding equalizes metallic objects to the same electrical potential to prevent current flow. You’d be amazed how many people are swimming in dangerous pools due to improper bonding and grounding techniques. Had a friend who complained they were getting a tingle every time they got into or out of the pool. Turned out to be a defective light in the pool that the bonding strap had corroded away along with a grounding issue at the electrical panel. It’s a wonder no one was electrocuted.
Great video! You got another subscriber! Also, in fairness, you're bonding to achieve grounding, so no one should be chirping about your terminology! Keep up the great work!!
One of the best things I did to stop overflowing when it rains was drilling a small hole into the side of the skimmer basket and use a pex pipe adapter to attach a small hole. Then just use a small discharge drainage line that is similar to the ones an HVAC uses to drain the water as it gets too high. Your pool will never get too full.
That will work with small rain storms, but for example the severe weather we get here (like last night) can literally dump inches of rain in an hour. I need a heavy discharge for hurricanes and the like.
Question how come you changed your mind about the propane tank ? At the beginning I believe you said you didn't want it away from the house for a specific reason
For looks was the main reason.. I changed my mind when the world started getting a little crazier, unpredictable and politicians got a brilliant idea to start banning propane appliances. That tank has about 4+ years of capacity in it for me with normal use. Not to mention I had no idea the huge savings I can get by buying propane in bulk. Like $600 a fill up discount 💵💵
@@TKCL Oh how very convenient that the company neglected to remember to mention that to you when you were ordering the service buyer beware! Hell you should do a video just on that information alone. You know you can make a video just sitting at your desk and talking to the camera podcast Style you don't have to be doing something every time imho. Or maybe do a short?
You should see the Motorola R56 Manual the grounding and bonding is nuts.. Google it should be available in a pdf file. By the way we use that type of wire for making dipoles for amateur radio! Works great!!
Questions, could I go from the skimmer basket first then to the pool wall, then to the metal uprights equally around the pool and then keeping it underground till I finish at the pool pump motor? I'm kinda of a nut when keeping things looking tidy! Tusks again for the video. Will be doing this asap with the confidence I got from this video!!!
@@BIGRICKLITTLERICK I am assuming your talking about grounding here. On our repeater tower we put in 2014 ish we did one grounding rod per leg of the tower and then tied in the 2 gauge grounding Loop that connected the rest of the shop radio room etc and then the final stop was at the electrical ground. My advice is if you got questions run it by your local electrician but our concern was with a 72 foot tower in the air its like a giant lightning rod. Oh and we have only been hit once hard enough for for a full replacement. I am assuming we have been hit more than that but we never had to replace all the gear on the hit except for that one time. Some of the guys we use to know in the industry most of them retired now tell stores of fires because of the lightening strikes The swear by the motorola R56 manual and its grounding and bonding section.
Nice video and very informative. I agree with the posts about needing machine thread's for the bonding. On long wire runs, such as this, going up in size of the conductors is a good idea to reduce voltage drop that could cause over heating of the electrical equipment and wires. Here's some simple math that might help someone without too technical and stay within the "80%" rules. 20 amp circuit (wire / breaker) 20 x .80 = 16 amp max Same for a 30 amp circuit 30 x .8 = 24 amps max Another way is by rated load. Pump motor is rated for 12 amps 12 x 1.25% = 15 amps required (still within the 80% rule) Let's say they pump motor is rated for 13.0 amps slightly more current draw. 13.0 x 1.25 = 16.25 amps (Over the 80% rules) This would require a 30 amp branch circuit and 10 guage wire. Hope this helps someone
This is fantastic work. I think the only thing I would have done differently is use a smart timer vs a mechanical timer. This way, it can be set form a phone rather than having to venture outside. But that's the laziness in me.
love the video, however 250.8 states you need a machine type screw backed by a nut that has at least two threads engaged or a machine type screw going into a tapped hole that has at least two threads engaged to attach those bonding lugs equally spaced around perimeter of the pool. Self tapping screws are not an approved connection.
What's great about this is your body is being grounded when you swim however being connected to the main ground you get a lot of electrical noise from your other components I don't know why they don't let you have a dedicated copper stake in the ground next to the pool that's what I'm going to do
The voltage of your pump doesn't dictate your wire size, the FLA (full load amperage) will determine that. A pump won't require 10awg wire because it's 220v nor will it need 12awg because it's 120v. In actuality a 220v pump of the same HP as the 120v would be able to use the smaller wire (i.e 12awg) because it's amp draw will be roughly half as much as the 120v pump. Also thhn!wire is very common wire, available at most any hardware or home improvement store.
Thanks Bonding & Grounding = same system with my individual PV Solar Panels ... Bonding LUGS to the Framework ... 6 AWG bare Copper to all the LUGS & ultimately to the Surge-Protector & then to Earth Ground ... BONDED & then GROUNDED in my Combiner-Box & Surge-Protector ... ... COOP ... the WiSeNhEiMeR from Richmond, INDIANA ...
Twist-lock receptacle is no longer required. Reason being is that the convenience receptacle can not be a twist-lock, so no point in requiring it for pump. Also, a disconnect is required for the pump that “shall be readily accessible and within sight from its equipment.” That looks like a long way away but I guess it is still readily accessible. The problem is that if someone uses a twist-lock receptacle and doesn’t have a disconnect, the cord and plug could not be counted as a disconnect I wouldn’t think. As a cord and plug usually counts as a disconnect.
I had a pool like that in 2006 and my electrician installed a box I guess is for a fault breaker I think - then ran the wires outside 18" underground to a 4x4 post and put a switch and a twist lock plug for the pump. the only ground they did was a lug attached to one pool leg and then too a ground rod in the ground.. guess it was updated since then
I am an electrician and in article 680 it requires a number 8 bare copper wire 7:23 you did say number 8 or 6 I just wanted to clarify it is a number 8, other than that great video 👍
Please provide the code, what I read in local codes per NEC stated 12 inches away and minimum of 6 inches of depth with 4 attachment points evenly spaced.
Ground block was already installed in my GE sub panel. The wire was 12/2 twisted pair with ground, also known as submersible pump wiring. You must use wire WITH a coated ground. It can not be direct burial wire.
Where do you learn all of these things? I'm just amazed at how much you do know. I'm sure it took a lot of research and such. Thank you, Andrew! I'm looking forward to the deck, landscaping, etc. Take care of your back.
@@TKCL When you were standing by your electrical panel, your house spread out behind you. I thought, my gosh, this man built that house, put up that siding, painted it, etc. as well as groomed and seeded all that pasture. I have been watching you since you had the house slab poured and then I had to go back and watch earlier videos. You have a lot to be proud of with that awesome place. Thank you for the work it takes to produce these great videos.
Excellent .. installing my first above ground pool .. you have really given me an education on how to do it .. THANK YOU Just to offer a few thoughts to the discussion ... a) Would it be okay to put a weather-proof Master Switch on post, ahead of everything ? Just in Case of Murphy's Law I know you can switch pump on/off with timer switch with 'little' level .. but with Wet hands ??Maybe Not ! b) Having water available near pump is handy .. till fill pool & clean filters but over time is there a chance 'condensation' might compromise conduit ? c) Before senior- citizen - downside, we did have an in -ground pool ... was curious how my plumbing & electrical deteriorated over the years. So, why not put a Covering or little Roof over the Pump & Electrical .. maybe a little Shed that could also hold pool chemicals or Ice Machine :) THANK's Again - EXCELLENT VIDEO
Pump house is coming soon. As for the cut off switch, I cannot answer that. It might be against code to break the wire before entering the main switch, you would need to verify that. No fear of water getting in the conduit, its glued and sealed. You must use conduit when running stranded non shielded wire like I did, code will require that.
Great Video .. the only thing I would question is cutting the pool pump cord If its a pump and made for pools then its factory equipment and unless the factory recommends cutting it youve modified factory equipment which technically also is a violation or transfer of liability
I currently do not, I let it waste out in the yard from a short pipe so it spreads out. I'm 3 weeks into running this and I've only went up 1 PSI on my pressure gauge, at this rate I will not be back flushing very often.
Your service recep is how your twist lock is being protected right? And you can use that for lights for the pool and the pump? You did not run two circuits right?
@@TKCLthanks! I’m about to run a bonding wire around an above ground salt water pool with resin legs and top railing. From what I understand, bonding to the legs isn’t required as they’re not metal. But I will be trenching around the pool, laying the wire starting at the wall seam all the way around to the skimmer, ending at the pump.
Great job on this video. Quick question: at about 26:53 you show another box below the box for the twistlock receptical. What is it for? Is it just another service receptical? Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you for this video. I've decided to save myself a ton of money and install the bonding wire myself. I am going to purchase all of the products you link in the video, but what type/size of self tapping screws should I get?
I have a deck a quarter of the way around my pool. I can get under it but I don't think I can actually dig a 6" trench. Does the wire have to be buried 6 inches down all the way around the pool?
My wires are red and black. So is red the hot and black the neutral? So I would wire my red like you have your black and my black like you have your white?
It's one continuous loop all the way around the pool bonded to 4 evenly spaced supports. I looped back through one support, up to the skimmer plate and ended it at the pool pump. You don't want to break the wire at any location, you are asking for corrosion and a poor connection.
I added to our pool a 10ft ground rod. Located at the pump. I didn't know about bonding the filter or the pool wall. Out post on ours is plastic. But I could do it where the pool wall is connected. Not sure how to bond anywhere else on the wall
It has to be non coated as in NOT UF-B burial rated wire. 3 strands with an insulated ground. Insulated ground is key to pass code, it can't be bare copper. Because it's not burial rated, it must be in conduit. 12 GA minimum for most 120v pumps, it's best to go ahead and run 10 gauge if you can find it. 10 gauge or larger is absolutely necessary for any 240v pumps.
I have one more question. I looked online at Lowe’s and it looks like the thwn does not come in a tri-10 awg it looks like it is sold separately black green white. Is this correct?
@@brandonharris305 it absolutely will not pass here and other places. You need to read NEC 680.21 well. You cannot in my situation and many circumstances use UF-B as a suitable wiring choice. Just because your inspector passed it does not mean it's correct. A lot of times inspectors don't know the rules themselves. It's based on distance, type of motor, bonding ect.
So I have a Hayward pump as a spare it's brand new and the old one is 3 years old but it doesn't have where I can connect the copper wire can you make a suggestion and if this is cold now what do we do when we have a pool like mine that doesn't have this bonding I'm just wondering is this an Overkill because never had to do it before?
I went to check out Vevor because of your videos talking about them. Are you aware that they are using your video and likeness on their website about the mag drill at the bottom of the home page? Just mentioning it incase you werent aware.
Ik you dont have much freezing temperatures down there, but how are you going to protect the spigot you just installed by the pool to refill it from freezing temperatures?
You are one of the most natural teacher/instructors I've seen. Even with talent this must take a lot of prep... and it's appreciated. I always learn something of value from your videos, so thanks!
I do spend a tremendous amount of time learning and reading before making these videos. Thanks for noticing.
The Kelley's Country Life has the smartest viewers and commenters. I came for the ice machine and stayed for the education.
We appreciate you
The name of the channel should be redneck University
Now I have to check to see if he has an ice machine video. I've been wanting to "make one" myself
@@johnThornton-t9b You bet he does. Andrew has two different versions, watch both before you build. He comes with the receipts on how much they produce to how much electricity it takes. You are going to love it! Andrew is very methodical on what he does.
I'm the "ice man" and have a huge Playlist on homemade ice makers. Start here for the biggest series on TH-cam for homemade ice makers th-cam.com/video/6VsqPIA8LxM/w-d-xo.html
I like this guy.. Very calm demeanor.. Thank You
Thank you for watching
I tell everyone on my facebook pool group about your videos and what a wonderful teacher you are. If there is an issue I send them all your page.
Thanks Andrew. Great video. I'm a 22 Year long Union Electrician Local 11, this video was a nice change from most of the wiring I see on TH-cam. 2 changes I would make would be to grind or wire brush the medal on your bonding around your pool as well as drill and tap 1/4" inch bolts instead of those self tappers. As far as the wire. The THHN vs THWN the W is for wet locations like submersible pumps and similar. The THHN is great for your application. You can also find standard 500' rolls of wire at the hardware store and just buy a roll of black, Red, white, or Green, and just buy the colors you need and pull them in the conduit. Thanks and keep up the great content.
That's very true, but I prefer the twisted tri wire because it pushes through the conduit nicely. Not to mention I priced out the individual wire and it was almost 2 1/2 times the cost per foot to buy it individually 😳. These prices and supply is ridiculous.
Without a doubt this is the best pool installation on TH-cam. Complete install, with all the codes complied with and such. Thank you!
Glad it helped
Your vids are always so calming to watch after a rough day. I saw the ice machine but came for the outside bar, and stayed for pretty much everything else.
That is awesome! Truly appreciate the support
@@TKCLdo you know anything about filter balls?
Hi, Andrew! You can’t keep a good man down! There you are back at work on the pool. Thanks for all your hard work making these videos for all of us. Promise me that you will take care of yourself.
Thank you for the support.
What an excellent video Andrew! You're a natural at explaining things so it makes sense. Thank you!
Thank you
Lol, not sure how I survived swimming in a pool like that back in the 70’s that the pump was plugged into a two prong plug 100’ feet from the house on a 14 gauge extension cord! It makes sense, but it’s crazy how regs have changed over the years
Lol no kidding, I thought about that too.
The National Electrical Code is updated every 3 years.
Thanks for sharing your video. I knew when you said tape up your conduit ends to keep them from getting packed slap full of dirt, I knew you were Southern. My Dad was an electrician and that sounded just like something he'd say! Very good information!
Thank you for watching
I don't plan on putting a pool in, but it's nice the know what it takes. Thanks for teaching us something new
Thank you for watching
@@TKCL you already know I'm here for you and your wife
Great video thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it.
Thorough and clear as ever. I hope you got through the storm OK.
It got wild late last night, but everything looks OK.
Man, is there nothing you can't do? Great job.
Sure, but that's not going to stop me from trying. 😉
Love all of the electrical code references.
Thanks for watching
Glad to see the pool build series
Thank you for watching
Yet another great educational video! People can save their selves a lot of time & money not to mention frustration by watching your video! Another job well done 👊
Thank you
Bookmarking this for my pool install. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it, several more videos on the install. Now working on the pool deck.
Great Video Andrew!!!
A bunch of useful information Andrew. Thank you
Thank you for watching
Watched your video and passed my pool inspection cause of you thank you
Awesome! Very happy to hear that.
Great job Andrew. I understood every bit of this.
Thank you for watching
Very instructive and I appreciate the detailed NEC rules explanations. 👏👏👏
Thank you for watching
Great video Andrew, very well explained. Your pool looks beautiful, I can just imagine it with the deck and landscaping 👍👍. ❤️❤️🇨🇦
Thank you, I'm very excited about the deck.
Ground Bonding is the most important aspect of your Superior Made Video. Many Thanks I only wish I had that soft soil your dealing with instead of my Limestone Rock.
Thanks for watching
Very impressed with your knowledge of electrical work, Wow your Amazing
Thank you, I just like to read and learn.
Love how clear the information is and how easy it is to understand. I am in California and am looking at installing a circuit for my Travel trailer. Need to start doing more research maybe do it myself since it will be such a short run
I've got a video showing a 50 amp RV hookup I did.
@@TKCL cool I will have to check it out
we use a shop-vac and twine to pull wire through long conduit runs, just tie something like a plastic grocery bag to the twine and stuff it in one end suck it from the other end with the vacuum, when you have string through the run, then tie the twine to your wire and pull it through. done 500' or more in 2" conduit that way, works with mule tape too. makes it a lot easier than trying to feed it by hand.
I've definitely heard of that trick.
Oh my goodness! I never knew there was so much to putting in a pool! But it’s better to be safe than sorry. I know you don’t want anyone to get injured because you cut corners on setting up the pool. Have a great day and enjoy the pool!😀
I did not realize how many rules there were either 🤷
Good video! I didn't notice a GFCI protector. Do you have one somewhere in the circuit?
Every receptacle is GFI and the load out covers the twist lock receptacle. Thanks!
I'm surprised you didn't run two separate circuits out there overdue is what you do😊 wonderful job of explaining of the installation of the electrical
Just wait, I've got 10/2 uf for more circuits when I build the deck.
You got me on that one
Did you see all the low voltage LED deck lighting at Lowe's
No I haven't seen those.
Very detailed Andrew 👍🏻👍🏻. The one thing I caught that you didn't mention was that an outside circuit for plug and cord connections has to be T/P with WR written on the face of the receptacle = tamper proof & weather resistant/rated. I always love watching your videos! Keep up the great work my friend.
The crazy thing about that (hate TP BTW) is the twist lock that your forced to use. Good luck finding a WR twist lock anywhere. The couple I could find are cord to cord connections, or come in through wall versions. I didn't see any that were designed to fit in a weatherproof enclosure. Get's frustrating following all these rules. Some seem necessary, some are just going overboard. Take care
@@TKCL I agree with you 100% about the code going overboard with some of this. I've never heard of the mandatory uses of twist locks on pool pumps. I'll study up on that. I have been doing a few outside outlets for sewer lift stations in Maryland. Tp & WR GFCI and outlets are readily available in my area. No shortage here.
Great episode! There's so much I didn't know. This was very educational. Thank you
Thank you for watching
Thank you for your video it's good information and it's correct grounding and bonding is really important. It's funny to read some comments especially as an electrician when you see how dangerous some people's pool and stalls are where they didn't even consider grounding and bonding or half of what you've got here. Lol
No kidding, people keep telling me they feel a shock in their pool and they are OK with it 😬
I'm a new subscriber. You do a great job of explaining HOW and Why! There are many things to learn, even if you will never install a pool. Great job!
Thank you for the support and watching.
Nice to see the procedure. Needed a sanity check since my neighbor apparently has been running essentially an extension cord on top of the ground 75 feet for over 2 years and apparently had no permit which means no inspections either.
Yikes.....That for sure won't pass code.
Great educational video. Thank you for sharing. 😀
Thank you for watching
Bonding equalizes metallic objects to the same electrical potential to prevent current flow. You’d be amazed how many people are swimming in dangerous pools due to improper bonding and grounding techniques.
Had a friend who complained they were getting a tingle every time they got into or out of the pool. Turned out to be a defective light in the pool that the bonding strap had corroded away along with a grounding issue at the electrical panel. It’s a wonder no one was electrocuted.
So funny you say that, I had a friend mention their pool shocked them 😲👀. Wow!
@@TKCL yep, many older pools were not bonded correctly or the bonds have corroded away due to lack of maintenance.
Mine should be good with 6 different bonding points on the pool alone.
Andrew, Where is your supervisor (Ruger)? very informative video, I like your wire dispenser that you built.
He lays on the porch all day when it's this hot. He hates the heat.
Great video! You got another subscriber! Also, in fairness, you're bonding to achieve grounding, so no one should be chirping about your terminology! Keep up the great work!!
Thank you for watching
One of the best things I did to stop overflowing when it rains was drilling a small hole into the side of the skimmer basket and use a pex pipe adapter to attach a small hole. Then just use a small discharge drainage line that is similar to the ones an HVAC uses to drain the water as it gets too high. Your pool will never get too full.
That will work with small rain storms, but for example the severe weather we get here (like last night) can literally dump inches of rain in an hour. I need a heavy discharge for hurricanes and the like.
I like that idea though
amazing!! best video on bonding pool on youtube
Glad you think so!
Very informative video. I think it’s a better idea to use water tight conduit connections to the timer
Don't disagree with you there. The timer does contain drain holes.
Thank you kind sir!
Great job Andrew 👍. In my area ( Lee County, Fl.) The ladder has to be bonded, even though the ladder is in the water.
I think that's the same here as well as deck railings.
Great information. I had no idea so much was involved... 🙂
Me either 🤣
Wow, that's a lot of info! Great job 👏
Thanks!
Question how come you changed your mind about the propane tank ?
At the beginning I believe you said you didn't want it away from the house for a specific reason
For looks was the main reason.. I changed my mind when the world started getting a little crazier, unpredictable and politicians got a brilliant idea to start banning propane appliances. That tank has about 4+ years of capacity in it for me with normal use. Not to mention I had no idea the huge savings I can get by buying propane in bulk. Like $600 a fill up discount 💵💵
@@TKCL
Oh how very convenient that the company neglected to remember to mention that to you when you were ordering the service buyer beware!
Hell you should do a video just on that information alone.
You know you can make a video just sitting at your desk and talking to the camera podcast Style you don't have to be doing something every time imho.
Or maybe do a short?
Great job Buddy!
Thanks for watching
You should see the Motorola R56 Manual the grounding and bonding is nuts.. Google it should be available in a pdf file. By the way we use that type of wire for making dipoles for amateur radio! Works great!!
Cool, thanks
Questions, could I go from the skimmer basket first then to the pool wall, then to the metal uprights equally around the pool and then keeping it underground till I finish at the pool pump motor? I'm kinda of a nut when keeping things looking tidy! Tusks again for the video. Will be doing this asap with the confidence I got from this video!!!
@@BIGRICKLITTLERICK I am assuming your talking about grounding here. On our repeater tower we put in 2014 ish we did one grounding rod per leg of the tower and then tied in the 2 gauge grounding Loop that connected the rest of the shop radio room etc and then the final stop was at the electrical ground. My advice is if you got questions run it by your local electrician but our concern was with a 72 foot tower in the air its like a giant lightning rod. Oh and we have only been hit once hard enough for for a full replacement. I am assuming we have been hit more than that but we never had to replace all the gear on the hit except for that one time. Some of the guys we use to know in the industry most of them retired now tell stores of fires because of the lightening strikes The swear by the motorola R56 manual and its grounding and bonding section.
Dude you remind me of couch I had for a teacher in the 80s when I lived in Jay Fl. I both loved and hated that place and now I wish for Munson Fl.
I'm hoping your coach was a great guy 😬
@@TKCL Yeah he was my autoshop teach, loved auto and agg
With the plethora of information that you have on almost every darn thing a new name may be in order for you. Professor Andy
Lol
Nice video and very informative.
I agree with the posts about needing machine thread's for the bonding.
On long wire runs, such as this, going up in size of the conductors is a good idea to reduce voltage drop that could cause over heating of the electrical equipment and wires.
Here's some simple math that might help someone without too technical and stay within the "80%" rules.
20 amp circuit (wire / breaker)
20 x .80 = 16 amp max
Same for a 30 amp circuit
30 x .8 = 24 amps max
Another way is by rated load.
Pump motor is rated for 12 amps
12 x 1.25% = 15 amps required (still within the 80% rule)
Let's say they pump motor is rated for 13.0 amps slightly more current draw.
13.0 x 1.25 = 16.25 amps (Over the 80% rules)
This would require a 30 amp branch circuit and 10 guage wire.
Hope this helps someone
Great information. Thanks for your time and expertise. Can you add to your list to do a video on the ionizer, please?
There's not much to show with the ionizer, but I will report out how it's doing. So far the pool is staying clear.
Bro, great video. Thank You.
Glad you liked it!
This is fantastic work. I think the only thing I would have done differently is use a smart timer vs a mechanical timer. This way, it can be set form a phone rather than having to venture outside. But that's the laziness in me.
That's what my package deal came with. Plus I've noticed in life mechanical seems to outlast electronics.
Great instructional
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love the video, however 250.8 states you need a machine type screw backed by a nut that has at least two threads engaged or a machine type screw going into a tapped hole that has at least two threads engaged to attach those bonding lugs equally spaced around perimeter of the pool. Self tapping screws are not an approved connection.
Good to know, I should have done bolts BEFORE filling the pool.
We use a contactor between timer and pump. Startup is 2600 watt (1 phase pump 240 volt)
Aways some great content. Thanks.👮🏻♂️Chip
Glad you enjoyed it
What's great about this is your body is being grounded when you swim however being connected to the main ground you get a lot of electrical noise from your other components I don't know why they don't let you have a dedicated copper stake in the ground next to the pool that's what I'm going to do
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Thank you for the support
My kids are grown and I get skin cancer so my pool is now a fish pond 🐟😂
The voltage of your pump doesn't dictate your wire size, the FLA (full load amperage) will determine that. A pump won't require 10awg wire because it's 220v nor will it need 12awg because it's 120v. In actuality a 220v pump of the same HP as the 120v would be able to use the smaller wire (i.e 12awg) because it's amp draw will be roughly half as much as the 120v pump. Also thhn!wire is very common wire, available at most any hardware or home improvement store.
Yes it's absolutely amperage AND length of the run.
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Bonding & Grounding =
same system with my individual PV Solar Panels ...
Bonding LUGS to the Framework ... 6 AWG bare Copper to all the LUGS & ultimately to the Surge-Protector & then to Earth Ground ...
BONDED & then GROUNDED in my Combiner-Box & Surge-Protector ...
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COOP ...
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Nice 20A GFCI
Twist-lock receptacle is no longer required. Reason being is that the convenience receptacle can not be a twist-lock, so no point in requiring it for pump. Also, a disconnect is required for the pump that “shall be readily accessible and within sight from its equipment.” That looks like a long way away but I guess it is still readily accessible. The problem is that if someone uses a twist-lock receptacle and doesn’t have a disconnect, the cord and plug could not be counted as a disconnect I wouldn’t think. As a cord and plug usually counts as a disconnect.
I had a pool like that in 2006 and my electrician installed a box I guess is for a fault breaker I think - then ran the wires outside 18" underground to a 4x4 post and put a switch and a twist lock plug for the pump. the only ground they did was a lug attached to one pool leg and then too a ground rod in the ground.. guess it was updated since then
Still a lot of pools out there that don't meet code.
I am an electrician and in article 680 it requires a number 8 bare copper wire 7:23 you did say number 8 or 6 I just wanted to clarify it is a number 8, other than that great video 👍
I ordered whatever code said right when I read it, so it's #8.
NEC states 18”-24” from pool water edge for bond wire distance.
Please provide the code, what I read in local codes per NEC stated 12 inches away and minimum of 6 inches of depth with 4 attachment points evenly spaced.
680.26(2)(b)(4)
Hello Kelley's Country Life what wiring type did you use to run for your pool pump? What grounding block did you use?
Ground block was already installed in my GE sub panel. The wire was 12/2 twisted pair with ground, also known as submersible pump wiring. You must use wire WITH a coated ground. It can not be direct burial wire.
Where do you learn all of these things? I'm just amazed at how much you do know. I'm sure it took a lot of research and such. Thank you, Andrew! I'm looking forward to the deck, landscaping, etc. Take care of your back.
When I want to tackle a new job, I spend time reading and learning before I start it. TH-cam is always a huge help.
@@TKCL When you were standing by your electrical panel, your house spread out behind you. I thought, my gosh, this man built that house, put up that siding, painted it, etc. as well as groomed and seeded all that pasture. I have been watching you since you had the house slab poured and then I had to go back and watch earlier videos. You have a lot to be proud of with that awesome place. Thank you for the work it takes to produce these great videos.
Thank you, I do feel proud.
Thank you, I do feel proud.
Excellent .. installing my first above ground pool .. you have really given me an education on how to do it .. THANK YOU
Just to offer a few thoughts to the discussion ...
a) Would it be okay to put a weather-proof Master Switch on post, ahead of everything ? Just in Case of Murphy's Law
I know you can switch pump on/off with timer switch with 'little' level .. but with Wet hands ??Maybe Not !
b) Having water available near pump is handy .. till fill pool & clean filters
but over time is there a chance 'condensation' might compromise conduit ?
c) Before senior- citizen - downside, we did have an in -ground pool ... was curious how my plumbing & electrical deteriorated over the years.
So, why not put a Covering or little Roof over the Pump & Electrical .. maybe a little Shed that could also hold pool chemicals or Ice Machine :)
THANK's Again - EXCELLENT VIDEO
Pump house is coming soon. As for the cut off switch, I cannot answer that. It might be against code to break the wire before entering the main switch, you would need to verify that.
No fear of water getting in the conduit, its glued and sealed. You must use conduit when running stranded non shielded wire like I did, code will require that.
Great Video .. the only thing I would question is cutting the pool pump cord If its a pump and made for pools then its factory equipment and unless the factory recommends cutting it youve modified factory equipment which technically also is a violation or transfer of liability
But code also specifically states the plug must be twist locking design. You won't pass without that plug.
Do you have a waste pipe or hose attached to your filter? I suggest this so you do not get a mud hole next to your pool.
I currently do not, I let it waste out in the yard from a short pipe so it spreads out. I'm 3 weeks into running this and I've only went up 1 PSI on my pressure gauge, at this rate I will not be back flushing very often.
Your service recep is how your twist lock is being protected right? And you can use that for lights for the pool and the pump? You did not run two circuits right?
You need to verify that with your local code as they might require a dedicated circuit. I have also been hearing the twist lock rule is changing.
Where did you get the bonding lug for the pool wall seam? Or did it come with the wire?
Its a simple wire eye lug for electrical wire. You can find them at any hardware store.
@@TKCLthanks! I’m about to run a bonding wire around an above ground salt water pool with resin legs and top railing. From what I understand, bonding to the legs isn’t required as they’re not metal. But I will be trenching around the pool, laying the wire starting at the wall seam all the way around to the skimmer, ending at the pump.
Great job on this video. Quick question: at about 26:53 you show another box below the box for the twistlock receptical. What is it for? Is it just another service receptical? Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge.
That's on the same timer switch to run my ionizer when the pool pump is on.
@@TKCLgot it. Thanks for responding.
With all the wire being ruin you could have put up the Zipline
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Thank you for this video. I've decided to save myself a ton of money and install the bonding wire myself. I am going to purchase all of the products you link in the video, but what type/size of self tapping screws should I get?
It's best to use bolts if you can access the backside of the pillars.
I have a deck a quarter of the way around my pool. I can get under it but I don't think I can actually dig a 6" trench. Does the wire have to be buried 6 inches down all the way around the pool?
My wires are red and black. So is red the hot and black the neutral? So I would wire my red like you have your black and my black like you have your white?
Sounds like you might have a 240v pump, you need to verify that. That's completely different wiring.
I have a question though does the bare ground you have to run it from the panel or just around the pool and the pump?
Just around the pool to the pump. That's bonding. Don't forget there is a ground inside the Conduit ran to the pump wires. That comes from the panel.
Thanks appreciate you bro
Just use metal pipe and don’t have to worry about direction. Beside metal required here
How do you tie in your copper bonding wire to the house electrical?
Bonding and grounding are two different things. You tie the pump electrical to house ground via the wiring ran from my sub panel.
@@TKCL ok so my question is what do I do with that copper wire once I have it bonded to my pool side, uprights, water (skimmer), and pump?
@jessicachaddondrea8797 nothing, you made a complete bonding loop that's buried and terminates at the pump lug.
Thank you
Some how I got unsubscribed so now I got to go back and watch all the episodes I missed
I hate when that happens!
Good video brother, what is the black device in top of you skimmer ?
have you considered a VFD pump for better efficiency?
No, I just bought a package deal and a variable pump wasn't offered. I am considering a lower flow solar pump.
Where did you bond all the 8ga together? From filter, pool supports, and pump
It's one continuous loop all the way around the pool bonded to 4 evenly spaced supports. I looped back through one support, up to the skimmer plate and ended it at the pool pump. You don't want to break the wire at any location, you are asking for corrosion and a poor connection.
I added to our pool a 10ft ground rod. Located at the pump. I didn't know about bonding the filter or the pool wall. Out post on ours is plastic. But I could do it where the pool wall is connected. Not sure how to bond anywhere else on the wall
That's actually against code if you tied any electrical ground into it.
@@TKCL no I only went to that bonding post on the motor
What size is your pump filter please
22 inch
@@TKCL thanks a lot
Andrew can you please tell me the type of wire we need?
It has to be non coated as in NOT UF-B burial rated wire. 3 strands with an insulated ground. Insulated ground is key to pass code, it can't be bare copper. Because it's not burial rated, it must be in conduit. 12 GA minimum for most 120v pumps, it's best to go ahead and run 10 gauge if you can find it. 10 gauge or larger is absolutely necessary for any 240v pumps.
Submersible pump wire also works, but get the 3 strand not the 4 strand wire.
I have one more question. I looked online at Lowe’s and it looks like the thwn does not come in a tri-10 awg it looks like it is sold separately black green white. Is this correct?
U.f cable ground is completely insulated
It does not pass code. It requires an independently separate and insulated ground. Do as you wish.
@@TKCL I've passed 3 this week
@TKCL no where in the code does it state you can not use u.f cable nor is there any amendments
Only time can't use if is to pool luminaries
@@brandonharris305 it absolutely will not pass here and other places. You need to read NEC 680.21 well. You cannot in my situation and many circumstances use UF-B as a suitable wiring choice. Just because your inspector passed it does not mean it's correct. A lot of times inspectors don't know the rules themselves. It's based on distance, type of motor, bonding ect.
I have a question. Do you know anything about using filter balls instead of sand
No I don't, this is the only filter I have ever used.
So I have a Hayward pump as a spare it's brand new and the old one is 3 years old but it doesn't have where I can connect the copper wire can you make a suggestion and if this is cold now what do we do when we have a pool like mine that doesn't have this bonding I'm just wondering is this an Overkill because never had to do it before?
It's code, but could be a little overkill. I am not sure why your pump does not have a bonding lug.
Is this required all above ground pools...
You need to check your local code, it usually is and sometimes more.
Not first 😞 but I'm here
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@@TKCL well you know Dale Earnhardt was number three and they called him the intimidator 😏😬😬😬look at y'all
You don't intimidate me 😏
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Is it normal to not have an “on” tripper? Mine only has the off and the one that you shouldn’t unscrew
I'm not familiar with all the switches, I personally want an automatic on and off switch.
I went to check out Vevor because of your videos talking about them. Are you aware that they are using your video and likeness on their website about the mag drill at the bottom of the home page? Just mentioning it incase you werent aware.
Yes, it actually helps me because if you click on that video I get views on TH-cam. They asked my permission before posting.
@@TKCL cool, was just looking out.
Ik you dont have much freezing temperatures down there, but how are you going to protect the spigot you just installed by the pool to refill it from freezing temperatures?
Florida, very rare we deal with that. And I'll drip it like I do the other 10 spigots on the property.
Did you bond your ladder?👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
No because I haven't installed my deck or deck ladder. I will bond one of the through deck bolts.