IF SECURITY'S FEELINGS GET HURT, WE CAN ARREST YOU FOR BREACH OF THE PEACE!! - Elbit Systems Bristol
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What is going on everybody, this is TGA, and in today's video, we're in Bristol at Elbit Systems in Patchway, a company that manufactures aircraft and drones for the Israel Defence Forces, to be used in it's war with Palestine/Hamas. Quite a hot topic at the moment, security immediately start saying I will get arrested and hostile. Then the police turn up on blue lights and threaten to arrest me.
Them coppers are no brighter than the security guard , what proof do they have of private property ? Thick is thick ! 👮🤡😈🐷
Has plod really got nothing better to do than threaten members of the public with bull💩 charges?
Breach of the peace:- Regina versus Howell 1982 states a breach of the peace occurs when someone has the fear of being harmed. To give someone the fear of being harmed you have to use threatening and or abusive language or hold a threatening and or abusive sign. The wording is very important when it comes to an offence. So not anything or anyone like the police can claim is a breach of the peace. Regina versus Howell also goes on to say once a breach of the peace has passed there is no breach of the peace it's PASSED. Also the police have no powers to detain and no powers to demand a name and address once a breach of the peace has passed. They do have powers to detain if they reasonably suspect a breach of the peace may recur.
Chris, not only that but a breach of the peace has to be, I repeat has to be both ‘real and imminent” that was from Foulkes v Merseyside police if i recall correctly ,Lord Diplock was quite specific about that bit.
Came here to say the same guys otherwise a bald police officer could breach my peace..... It has to be threatening and/or abusive.
Two police officers who are clueless and bullys , they need retaining on the laws of the land.
This is how thick the police are
Breach of the peace for a legal activity 😂😂😂😂
Clearly publicly accessible per section 33 criminal justice act or the other company wouldn't be allowed to leave by their own gate. And the police have moved the goal posts many times as to what constitutes a breach of the peace but the law is black and white as you what a breach of the peace actually is.
Section 33 of the Criminal Justice Act 1972 is an interpretation clause that adds a new definition of "public place" to Section 9 (1) of The Public Order Act 1936 which prohibits the wearing of political uniforms in public places, it has no relevance to the meaning of a public place in other context.
@@tommullen2958so you’re saying that Section 33 DOES state what a public place is? And aren’t those security wearing political/paramilitary uniforms in this public place?
So which is the biggest offence, the wearing of political uniforms in a public place or gaining evidence of this breach?
@@Malpriorvids Please, you tell us as you seem to know all about it. We are genuinely interested as to which is the biggest offence. Don't just post a comment and leave us all hanging........
@@Malpriorvids No, I'm saying that Section 33 refers you to the Public Order Act for the definition of a "public place".
Some people mistakenly believe that Section 33 of the Criminal Justice Act 1972 gives anyone access to any publicly accessible place at any time.
If you read the extension of the definition of "public place" in The Public Order Act 1936 you will see that it doesn't.
Although it is an interesting point you raise I wouldn't have thought a hi-viz security vest counts as a paramilitary uniform.
@@tommullen2958 you’ve never been to a military airport then.
Thick security guard says he is going to escelate it . What a plonker ! 👮🤡
Thanks for protecting our rights and freedoms from the people we pay to protect them.
Mass audit required here
Too right
Would love to see a mass audit here
Thanks for standing up for our rights 😎
Phoning 999 over a civil trespass... C'mon guys!!! Nice one TGA, keep up the good stuff, stay safe out there buddy 👊
Thank you
oh dear more bent police officers!
Next time your house is being burgled, Don’t report a burglary, no one will turn up. Just ring 999 and tell the cops that a man is filming your business with a camera. Before you can say section 43, half the local station will be there.
Baldy cop seemed pleasant enough until he said at 23:15 "you are causing them (security) distress." Even the fake nice police will lie in order to intimidate.
TGA could say that the security accosting him in public, recording him on CCTV, and being approached by the police could all equate to causing him distress!
Baldycop. You have 20 seconds to com-toupee-ply
Feelings police at it again
A couple of lying Plod. Fantasising about what they could arrest TGA for. The bald Plod also seems to think he can wear anything when he is on duty. The position of the street lights beyond the bollards and the signage on the gate rather than on the bollards would seem to indicate it is not private land. But Plod are too stupid to realise, that so they chose to believe the thick idiots on security detail rather than their own eyes. A classic case of Plod falling for "The First Person To Contact Us Must Be Correct". If this was a Breach of The Peace or Harassment these two clowns would have arrested TGA straight off the bat.
@@AD-53 What are distress and alarm if not feelings?
The arrogance of the unidentified security guard is impressive
Tell me about it
Just imagine him at the Christmas party eh? Ha ha!@@TheGwentAuditorTGA
Is arrogance illegal?
@@Audit-The-AuditorsWhen mixed with ignorance it should be!
@@davymac3882 Ignorance is just the lack of information which equally, isn't illegal.
Two coppers talking shite, who would have thought it?
How quickly the police respond to a call from security who should surely be patroling INSIDE the premises. And, how quickly the police take this mardy man's word for it instead of investigating the allegation. Pity they don't respond to OUR calls with such enthusiasm. Corporate Policing at its finest, pandering to security's 'Hurt Feelings'. Wah, wah, wah. 😭
And that poor auditor bleating about feeling threatened by arrest.
The only Alarm & Distress being caused is to these poor excuse for police constables. They don’t like someone else knowing the law of the land better than them.
The guy with the pink phone and combat vest was hilarious, he definitely used all the trigger words to get help
Hate it when cops say let me finish ..plebs
So of if I call the police multiple times on anyone they are causing a breech of the police.
You've breached the spelling of "breach."
If u got burgled, ud be lucky to have police turn up at all
Don’t report a burglary, tell the cops a man is filming your business with a camera. Before you can say section 43, half the local station will be there.
1. Do not bother to investigate.
2. Establish a false premise.
3. Build a narrative on the false premise.
4. Add threats of violence.
5. There are no limits of time available on spleinin nonsense and lying, as this is what it’s paid for.
The Police State of the UK.
Perfect summary
So the people from the adjoining business are also trespassing because they have an access gate inside the boundary .
No, the shared area means that access is allowed.
You need to submit complaint about these officers, they have no idea what they are talking about - they clearly don't understand common law Breach of the peace or public order laws. Its not acceptable to be a police officer and not know some basic laws.
I bet that security bloke has waited all his life to call 999 to report an emergency over a camera, and then try to sound important to any other member of staff who can be bothered to listen to his dribble.
Both police constables possibly activating their bodycams without informing TGA, as what else were those two beeps? Radios? Or do they have bodycams without the Red lights down there.
Both police constables walk straight up to security to get their side of the story.
Both police take the security's word that it's their land, and don't even question it.
"According to the land ownership it's private property" - I didn't see the security present you with any land documents Mr Failed to Identify.
It's clearly not Elbit Systems land, yet even if they did own the land, it would be 100% impossible for TGA to be trespassing, as the neighbouring business needs access to their gate.
Mr Failed to Identify - "I'm going to threaten to arrest you with breach of the peace," when no laws have been broken, so I'm threatening an illegal arrest.
Mr Failed to Identify - "If we keep getting called, you are" - No, they are, by dialling 999 and wasting police time, along with you for responding to the calls.
We need Rowan Atkinson to campaign to the words "harassment, alarm and distress" removed from Section 5, just like he did with the word "insulting."
Mr Failed to Identify - "You can sue away all you like. Now you're just making things up... Saying silly things" - Pot Kettle Black.
Mr Partly Identified - "...There will be a sign here. Once that happens..." - A sign which will be completely meaningless, as many Police Inspectors, Superintendents, and Chief Constables have found out.
Don’t spend a penny with these spiteful companies. Not a penny. Wow, a guy with a camera, how dangerous!
Absolutely, buy your Naval Combat Management Systems elsewhere.
Dual access to the little gate, DJ told us that, and the police are just taking the piss again with threat of arrest for nothing, make them personally accountable for false arrests not use public money for their stupidity,
Fair play TGA absolutely respect you for your arguments, it's already been determined it's a shared access road regardless if it's private property or not, plus the addition of the electrical box on site, police embarrassed themselves aswell and you dealt with it perfectly
Keep up the good work g from a fellow Welshman 👊✊
This law has been misused since the day it was passed. It must be repealed. Or re-written.
Its not a law. Legislation is not law. Acts are not law.
They are called Acts and it is called legislation, not law. Its private company policy of the STATE. A STATE is a company. Lord Chief Justice Beatson 2008 at the Nottingham and Trent university. still on the gov.uk website to this day.
The more you know.
I’m watching it now, I bet the cops didn’t mention the first part of Sec.5, if that’s what they’re using, namely, Using threatening or abusive words or actions (Likely to cause alarm harassment or distress) Causing alarm harassment or distress is not a crime unless you’re being threatening or abusive!
@@adeyjames4275what are you going on about? Are you trying to infer there is some court case?
@@robertroberts3rd265 Court? Where did that come from?
Actually, while we are discussing FACTS, there is no court. The people of this country do not have courts of the people. There are only the company policy enforcement offices masquerading as courts.
Every judge that presents themselves as such is commiting outright criminal fraud.
The facts are the facts.
The judiciary is a sub office of the STATE.
A STATE is a company.
For a company to have authority over men and women there has to be a signed contract in evidence. Just as you do when you start a job.
Full disclosure. You are given an employee handbook. You know the rules, you know the duties of your job you know the consequences of breaking those rules, you signed the damn thing, and provided evidence by your valid and legal, inarguable signature that you accepted those duties in exchange for RIGHTS and OBLIGATIONS.
So i ask you, what are YOU on about, Court? There is no court. A fact i have on record and published in a formal legal published agreement with EVERY single MP in office today. And the Welsh Assembly. And every chief constable in this land. All 50 of them have not disagreed at any point in the revelations.
But are they revelations? All these facts i found out quite easily. Is it my job to educate the world, or are we each responsible for our own actions in life, uh?
Time to see the world for what it is. Leave the theatre. All the worlds a stage and you are its audience. PAYING 92% in gross TAX.
There is no shred of evidence of anyone giving the alleged "Government" their formal and legally required consent to be governed. Never has the corporation wanted to make it legal for in doing so, it would expose it as the fraud its always been.
This is the end of the evil Roman empire rebranded as the British empire. They are busy destroying this country now that they have raped it of all industry and tradition.
How safe do you all feel for the 92p in every pound you earn being flushed down the pan? Whilst your jobs leave the country and as usual, straight out of the elites playbook, there is the religious tensions to create war.
Open your eyes wide.
@@adeyjames4275 Legislation is a law or a set of laws that have been passed by Parliament. The word is also used to describe the act of making a new law.
FACTUALLY.... Elbit Systems DO NOT OWN THAT ROAD. I found this information in less than 30 seconds.
Where did you find that information?
Perhaps, find my street?@@Audit-The-Auditors
You gotta ask yourself, what the hell do they learn when they get their SIA licences as 99.9% don't know the law, so what are they taught?
Breach of the peace by doing something you're allowed to do?
Called his bluff.
I'm pretty sure threatening arrest for no reason is illegal. Talk to solisitors.
The officers simply outlined what could happen if the auditor kept pushing and inciting. There was no 'threat'.
@@Audit-The-Auditors There was a threat, as the arrest would be illegal.
However as you're a simpleton, you believe everything the police say.
@@danielgardecki1046 You appear to be saying that the auditor 'felt' threatened = FEELINGS.
Therefore, if he FELT threatened, then the guards could certainly FEEL alarmed and distressed.
Sweet.
@@Audit-The-Auditors you obviously have no idea what the laws are on alarmed and distressand who can be alarmed and distressed on duty.. police and security cannot be alarmed and distressed as that is their job ...
@@philldownes8685 You are woefully misinformed. The guards are civilians (I never mentioned the police), cases such as Harvey v DPP only cover serving police officers, so of course the guards can feel alarm/distress.
Apparently this idiot security doesnt understand the nuance between an argument and arguing.
"you can sue away all you like" ...and there is the problem with these pigs......they know its not coming out of their own pockets....the day it does come out of their own pockets will be the day they start behaving properly.
Plod comes on "blues and twos" for a business. Some old dear getting burgled and no copper turns up. British Police are a JOKE.
They like attending the cushy numbers
Security thinks he is working within law but no sia badge on show, and off his site, yeah really with in the law 🥱
will they arrest security for causing camera man distress??
Not all security staff have SIA badges.
@@rogerbroadbelt3424and not all SIA badge holders are really security.
The card/membership appears to pretty much worthless as the legalities of it a rarely followed or upheld.
The only time I have seen it (in the large) is the recent SIA instruction on ULEZ security behaviour - not that it made a difference - and still no upholding of the law by the Police.
Auditor should have asked cops “Will you arrest the security guards if I keep calling the police because I fell harassed, alarmed, and distressed??
@@Mr-J...I used to run, with a partner, a heavy security firm. Before the SIA came in, we were in the voluntary Security Industry Training Organisation. We were all well trained with them, then when compulsory training came in with SIA we all had that, but it was not as comprehensive as the voluntary SITO had been. Trouble was SIA being compulsory, there was a lot more doing the course.
Wearing the SIA badge on the sleeve became the norm, but sometimes I wore a suit, sometimes I did close protection, where it wasn't worn. On our bread and butter jobs, removing trespassers, the police couldn't remove without a Court Order, we could because we were civil, we always wore our badges on our sleeves, then they didn't cause a problem if there was a hoo har. In the 30 odd years we only had any hoo har 3 or 4 times, those involved soon got to know us. Turning up 6 handed with 2 Rottweilers and 4, 4x4s they knew we meant business. We began a mutual respect, when we turned up, they used to negotiate the timescale, then shake on it.
We learned more doe's and don't from SITO training than SIA. When the police became able to remove these trespassers without a Court Order we retired and hung up our pick axe handles. We may have been heavy but were firm and fair, we covered a door for a few nights, the regulars wanted us to stay, they said the usual guys were miserable, we were nice and friendly.
It's nice to be important, but its important to be nice.
@@Mr-J... I've seen maybe 3-5 news stories ever, of the SIA prosecuting SIA licence holders, who refused to have their licences on display.
Most, if not all of them, were bouncers.
What the SIA need to do, is do exactly what auditors do, by going around random places across the country, filming security guards who aren't displaying their licences, and refuse to do so after it's been pointed out, and then prosecuting those security guards for breaking the law.
However that will never happen as the SIA and British security firms in general, can't even write in proper English, as they all prefer to use American English, never mind do their jobs properly.
Nice one ! The guys in 'fancy-dress' were right 'lovies' acting. Unless they can prove otherwise. Cops were very sus, conspiracy or willful ignorance.
The land may well be their property. As they have to allow space for waiting vehicles outside the gates, to prevent traffic obstruction. They need clear signage.
Thanks for pushing back the boundaries and thanks for sharing.
He won't leave public and he won't do as I say I feel alarmed and destroyed I mean de-stress HE HURT MY EGO I mean feelings. The utter contempt of entitlement without no knowledge is outstanding and worrying all at the same time. The police should know better public access at the end conversation over NEVER ANSWER QUESTIONS remain silent.
Thank you, I’ll keep that in mind
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA I know you know I was just reminding others keep up the good audits subscribed already.
Thanks, much appreciated@@kevinsancto1574
“Just listen” - cheeky copper
Always wondered what happened to the last emperor
Horrible police, the most over misused piece of legislation, "harassment alarm and distress," as if any of those clowns actually knew that law that they abuse. Nice to the lazy police ACTUALLY do their jobs when the public call.
Their property starts at the gates, that's why the gates are there.
Arrh the joys of SIA-where do they get em from lol
We can only wonder lol
Harassed alarmed and distressed the three most abused words in the English language today. This law needs to be repealed
Too right
A breach of the peace has to be both “Real and imminent” Lord Justice Bedlam was quite specific on that in Foulkes v Merseyside police. Any “reasonable person” (per se) given all the information available would say that there was never any likely hood of the photographer committing a breach of the peace nor was there any chance of it happening. A breach of the peace, ha, totally preposterous, just an ill informed bully tactic by whoever it was that said it in my opinion for what it’s worth.
What a job stud round all day ,,,the day must last a week ,,😮
I would hope there is claim in against the police for a section 43 for filming in public. There is a memo from the NPCC saying that filming alone cannot be grounds for a section 43.
What will make them pay attention is a private prosecution of the police themselves.
Listen to the woke officer that did no inquiries into the CLAIM of ownership. Just took the word of a dunce security goon.
The two guys that had to walk passed the 'barriers' to access the gate leading into CEVA, 18:46 showed within the barriers, it's a shared foot path. The barriers are for cars, not pedestrians on the foot path.
Alarm and distress for a legal activity?
Brilliant, causing 'alarm and distress' is a breach of the peace, it's like they're in competition with each other to see who can talk the most crap.
They either don't understand the law or they just hope their victim knows less than they do. Either way, it's pathetic, and these security people who get so easily 'alarmed and distressed' by the presence of a video camera have no business being out unaccompanied by a responsible adult.
My first time with you and it was lovely. Very calm. Subscribed.
Not showing any bias towards a man with a camera...much! They hate cameras apart from dishing out some copslaining. How can a security guard's calls shift breach of the peace over to you? Utter rubbish because you wouldn't agree with the crap they were coming out with.
They don’t half try to copsplain. When skinny was giving his shpeil, behind him on the road, after the bollards is a PUBLIC UTILITY ACCESS POINT. Also there’s access over the dropped kerb to the substation & the side access to a different company !!!
Plus & Minus here for me (mainly plus!!). Well done on standing your ground - and pushing "Well arrest me then". Kudos for that, takes some cajones. And for knowing your stuff. Minus - wish you had been just a little bit more forceful; NOT let the stupid ignorant cops copsplain ad nauseum and before he left, make sure he knew he was WRONG in his initial judgement of the situation. (He still probably doesn't think he was, sadly).
Can a security guard suffer alarm and distress in law? Doubt it.
Imagine how many people door staff could get arrested if they chose. lol If the law really applies how many cops claim it does.
Yes, the guards are still only civilians and not covered by any case law such as DPP v Orum.
Noit officlal security then? @@Audit-The-Auditors
@@chips1889 What criteria equates to 'official'?
SIA badge mate in the UK@@Audit-The-Auditors
If that is not private land surely they must be made to remove the bollards.
Well, adding the sign AFTER you enter means little to nothing, it has to be there WHEN you enter. Otherwise anyone can run up behind someone with a sign and claim you are trespassing.
1:57 The police aren't allowed to conceal their faces. They carry warrant cards that have photo I.D. If we can't see their face how do we know the photo on their warrant card is them?
Police is always working for the private companies. Recently I went to the shop to bring back faulty item. I was refused. I knew that they were wrong as per Consumer Protection Act and I was leaving when I overheard the seller calling me names in front of other customers. I came back and politely asked to apologise and to stop insulting me. Then suddenly I was forced physically from the shop by the security guard who wasn't even working there but rather a friend of the seller. I asked him to show his security badge as per SIA rules. He was instructed not to. Then the seller called the police. I waited for the police and told them what had happened. I had it recorded on the camera. Police told me - no action. So yes... UK police work for private business only so be aware
That looks like a council lamp post same as the lamposts that you can see in the distance on public land .
They are lying
Not more ‘THATS FINE’ boys!! They get everywhere nowadays
how did the police determine where the boundary was?....
did they just ask security and accept their word.
thats not the right way to investigate!
Police these days are shocking
What a Coit calling 999 as it’s not an emergency. The call handler should have told him to call 101.
Yeah absolutely appalling then the police tried enforcing his feelings
The guards did not know what his intentions were, you did.
Think it through.
We are politely asking you to do anything a corporation tells you to do because we don't give a damn about the public.
If you return home and find your home has been burgled we will give you a crime report number and tell you to claim off your insurance.
Your presence here engendered what was clearly a "necessary cause of action" in terms of a designated sign!
The police cannot criminalise a civil offence, such as trespass, by saying multiple infractions becomes a Breach of the Peace. It's still just trespass.
Ask who is in fear of being harmed when they mention BOP.
Exactly
No, trespass can become a breach of the peace.
Pair of yoghurt tops those old bill
FEELING POLICE 😤😤
9:45 "PRIVATE PROPERTY KEEP OUT" on the fence, why would someone put that sign "inside" the property?
Is his head to big for his body or his body to small for his head?🙃😝
What a load of bull from those tyrant officer's. Try to argue their point of view in court and they'll be laughed at.
You walk through the supermarket. Further on, a screaming little draws attention. The mother ignores the kid and lets the entire supermarket enjoy her educational incompetence. The child continues to yell and scream until mother gives it his way. Do you want to know what happens to boys like that? Watch this video again. I count 4. The 5th is behind the camera.
Rd surface usually tell u who laid it
I should start a weapons manufacturer from my house then the police would rush to my add and deem any non crime as massive issues and arrest who i want.
These two cops are a danger to the public. Their lack of knowledge of how to apply law is embarrassing. Just spouting out random offences to intimidate you.
Ring the Police and tell them you've be burgled - See how quickly they turn up to your house !!
They need a sign at bollard. Police cant enforce anything unless that happens.
Police can't enforce anything even if they did have a sign, as it's not their land.
What about when we are alarmed and distressed by security who keep interfering with our filming from council maintained land. Would the police treat that situation the same? ❌
Exactly, they’re just corporate police, working for the corporations over members of the public and enforcing corporate feelings
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA Corporate police? What made up nonsense is that? They are uniformed, powerless civilians.
Lost of plastic policemen in the UK.
Security is a boring occupation,so any dramas a welcome arrival they don’t pay very much so you get what you pay for!
Remarkable
Asking a security guard to secure something is harassment
probably explains why the police don't like policing
Exactly
Your identity has been totally blown now by the security guards description of you!
TURN YOUR NAME BADGE ROUND
Good job for standing up for your rights. Did you miss that it's shared access. I'm sure you can't be trespass from land that is access to more than one business. Without the agreement of both businesses👍
What a bunch of clowns. The incredible unintelligence of the reasoning that "if we get calls" then you must be in the wrong. Not in their wildest idea could they imagine that the callers might be in the wrong.
Smart to start using "Breach of the peace" - that interpretation could easily be used against Auditors.
@@nogelserv Not lawfully it couldn’t no. Breach of the peace is a fear of harm to either an individual or the individual harming others
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA It covers a much wider remit than that - suggest you have a read. The police officer in this video was absolutely right.
@@nogelserv A breach of the peace is defined as “an act done or threatened to be done which either actually harms a person, or in his presence, his property, or is likely to cause such harm being done.” They must release you once the threat of the breach of peace has passed.
@@nogelserv so no, the officer was absolutely wrong
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA The interpretation of "likely" is the wider remit point. Interpretation is always going to be the challenge. When I watch the likes of Auditing Britain and others that interpretation gets pushed.
10:22 if he was properly licensed, he wouldn’t say “He’s White”. We are taught police standards and phonetics on the SIA course.
So “Ic1 male”
Bugger you did lol teach me to post before end of vid🤣😂
It is a criminal offence to not have a SIA licence on display whilst undertaking licensable conduct
No, not when being filmed. The holder can refuse to show it if they believe it will be made available to a global audience.
its because its MOD if it private the gates would be where the pollards are and thier is a council street lamp between the bollards and the main gate .
didnt he say...im between our property and the bollards on the phone...
Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't make you argumentative.
Yes it does!
From 04.58 he has to have his S.I.A. badge on display. I worked as a security guard with 5 other lad`s on the same site and we all had our badges on display. It`s a crap job with some people looking down on us for doing it. So we made it harder for them to get onto site and would not help them in anyway. Others guards we had for training thought they wore the uniform of power the clowns.
No, if the holder of the licence has reason to believe that by showing it to someone filming, it will be published on social media, they can refuse to show their SIA badge.
Bully Piggies. Walk of Shame. No Jurisdiction, etc, etc. The usual Audit. B O R I N G.
Something connected with Israel claiming to own that land isn’t theirs… how ironic