In the end, she won. Not only did she outlive him the same as Kathrine Parr (who went on to die in childbirth after her husband of choice sexually assulted her stepdaughter) He divorced her and she didn't fight him at all... and in return he set her free from her oppressive country. She got access to her own money, a big beautiful house and the freedom to never marry while fostering relationships with all three of his kids. She got the best ending, didn't even realize it.
Her and Henry became good friends after their divorce. When Catherine Howard was executed, it was reported she told Henry she would be open to remarriage. But he said no. Not out of disgust but for respect of their friendship
She didn't recognize him when he showed up in disguise and ignored him. He became offended and made excuses that she smelled. But it was he that smelled bad because of his festering leg ulcer.
I was so happy to see Joss as Anne of Cleves. Anne is a favourite historical figure from Tudor England for me and seeing her played by such a beautiful lady, a singer I truly like and with such grace and respect was heartwarming ❤
Honestly she faired better than the other 5 wives. When Henry divorced her, he adopted her as a sister, paid her a nice alimony and she stayed in his favor at court. They both spoke highly of each other.
@@LilyGarden528She was lucky in that she was daughter and sister of a foreign ruler who Henry couldn’t risk upsetting. But she was also smart enough to go along with the annulment to stroke Henry’s ego and came out on top as a result. Befriending the future Queen Elizabeth didn’t hurt either 😊
I read some where that the reason king Henry didn’t want Anne was because he was told she talked about him so he didn’t want her. What ever reason she was treated better then of the other wives
It's more embarrassing than that. Before Anne arrived at court, Henry decided to meet her early dressed as a commener. He thought she would recognize him as her true love. It was suppose to be a romantic gesture, but Anne recoiled from his advances and talked about his weight and hygiene, not realizing she was talking to the king. Henry disliked her from then on.
Catherine Parr was good too but C Howard was far too young in the first place Jane sounds like a decent person… I honestly don’t think I would have gotten along with AB- she was a….bit a female canine. Didn’t deserve what happened though and let’s be real; Henry was NOT a suitable husband at all- ever.
The story that I heard was that Henry dressed up as a knight and went to visit Ann expecting that if it was true love she would recognize him immediately. At this time he had gained a lot of weight and wasn’t considered handsome. He then left and put on his regal clothes but by then it was too late. His ego was as already bruised and he set up the rumor that she was too ugly. It was an important alliance though even though the marriage was annulled, he named her “the honorary sister of the king” she got the best outcome for of the wives by far as she because one of the most wealthy woman in the UK at the time and never married again
I am German and while her "German" was quite okay (I've heard way worse "German" in English speaking productions), it was a very heavy accented German. But considering it plays in the 1500s, I guess we can excuse that 😅
To be fair, Anne of Cleves BARELY spoke ANY english. She had a very bad education, so I think she'd have a very heavy accented in her first years. People even made fun of her, and she had no ideia, because she didn't understand.
@blahblahblahblah729 ja but I'm talking about her German and not her English. Joss Stone is a native English speaker and she spoke some German here, which was obviously spoken by a non German. I think her German accent while speaking English is good and seems quite authentic. But the sentence "the wound on his legs..." Is in German and there you can hear that she's not a German native speaker.
@@awsome182she is North German (from the Dutch borderlands) so her accent wouldn't be the same as modern German (which is more based on the Hessian and the Wittenberg dialects). Granted I doubt they trained her on "low German" dialects/modern Dutch pronunciation for this scene, but she wouldn't be talking like a 20th century literature professor from Frankfurt either.
@@blahblahblahblah729 Her education was what her family considered proper for a lady of her station: embroidery, household management, and other similar things The things that interested Henry (such as cards and music) would not have been included..
Anne Of Cleves did what she could to survive Henry's court. In my opinion the actress was too pretty to play her. The real Anne Of Cleves was not a dog, but she was so plain looking. According to historical account she had a more masculine build, possibly she had more body strength than Henry desired in a female body. Women at this time were expected to maintain a small size by only eating less. Not strength training.
This is far too broad a statement to be correct. First, we are talking about royal women. Women is general were expected to work and bear children. A small and fragile frame would not have been of any advantage. It's not the Baroque yet, but early modern Europe in general preferred more robust and strong women, too. Second, as for the court, women could afford to appear fragile, yet they had to have strong bodies to withstand childbirth and other activities, including sports (yes, the played tennis at Hampton court, in full dresses). And noble women rode horses, too. Those layers of clothing were no easy feat either.
She was not “plain looking.” Beauty is subjective and people have their opinions, but she has one of the prettier portraits when you look at all the wives. She was not plain. I would say she had the best portrait.
Historically she wasn't at all ugly , she was a beauty. However what Henry looked for was a English beauty for that time period , high forehead, lashless, no eyebrow kinda look was considered the standard for royal beauty at the time as was being very pale and thin. She was a bombshell by today's standards ! Too good for Henry😌
@@FazziemanReign doesn't even look like a historical drama, those costumes just make it look like some kind of silly modern Comic Con, I'll never understand people's hype with that show😭
@@Fazzieman Reign is ridiculously guilty pleasure. Most historical dramas are anachronistic to varying degrees. But that scene where Claude lands a retaliatory one two punch to the throat of the Duke is everything!
Only had 4 good wives, the first one, the third one she if not mistaken, she was the 5th wife and his last wife ! This series is off the hook just saying😊
You are so wrong. This is Anne of Cleves, she was his 4th wife, and divorced by him. The 5th was Catherine Howard, who was beheaded for adultery. His last wife was Catherine Parr. She survived due to his death. None of these three ever bore him children. His third wife was Jane Seymour, who died giving him a son. I never trust anything in these types of productions because Hollywood tends to go their own way, not the historical way!😂
Henry's leg never completely healed from an old jousting injury. It was often infected and gave off a bad smell because of it. It caused him occasional pain, which many spectate it kept him in a perpetual foul mood.
Henry had an open would/sore on his leg that wasn't healing. Jonathan Rhys Meyers, the actor who portrays hims is still slender but by this time, Henry VIII was quite over weight and had major health issues with gout and possibly diabetes.
Wow an non-german actor speaking german in a way thats actually understandable. That's very very raw in movies. She did an amazing job.
Ja oder?? Sie war grossartig in der rolle!❤
I think so! I think she’s a good actress
Great singing voice! Great actress! Joss Stone is amazing!
She's a good actress. I've seen her in a couple films and she does a great job.
Yes! She does it really well! also her "german" accent while speaking english.
In the end, she won. Not only did she outlive him the same as Kathrine Parr (who went on to die in childbirth after her husband of choice sexually assulted her stepdaughter) He divorced her and she didn't fight him at all... and in return he set her free from her oppressive country. She got access to her own money, a big beautiful house and the freedom to never marry while fostering relationships with all three of his kids. She got the best ending, didn't even realize it.
I agree with you, I’m happy because she got the best ending
She was the lucky one. I think the king actually respected her.
Her and Henry became good friends after their divorce. When Catherine Howard was executed, it was reported she told Henry she would be open to remarriage. But he said no. Not out of disgust but for respect of their friendship
Oh, I think that she did😏
@@Caramelpop86 She was in a much better position as his "sister" rather than Queen. Henry VIII was very nasty from time to time w/o cause.
His rejection was one of her largest blessings.
She didn't recognize him when he showed up in disguise and ignored him. He became offended and made excuses that she smelled. But it was he that smelled bad because of his festering leg ulcer.
@@Renata-s4fI'm aware
She was the only true winner.
I think so
I don't know WHO Joss's vocal coach was but they did a PHENOMENAL job!
She won the Game of Wives.....she was the actual last of the 6 to die
The game of noble women.. she was in the end truly lucky....
And she didn't have to consummate, bless her
I was so happy to see Joss as Anne of Cleves. Anne is a favourite historical figure from Tudor England for me and seeing her played by such a beautiful lady, a singer I truly like and with such grace and respect was heartwarming ❤
What a horrid position she was put in. So sad.
Honestly she faired better than the other 5 wives. When Henry divorced her, he adopted her as a sister, paid her a nice alimony and she stayed in his favor at court. They both spoke highly of each other.
@LilyGarden528 This is also true. I was responding to this clip's scenario.
True, she could have remarried but chose not to, and got some nice money for that time period.
@@LilyGarden528She was lucky in that she was daughter and sister of a foreign ruler who Henry couldn’t risk upsetting. But she was also smart enough to go along with the annulment to stroke Henry’s ego and came out on top as a result. Befriending the future Queen Elizabeth didn’t hurt either 😊
I’m in the same mood as you
She played an impossible & dealy game so well.. better than anyone else..
I think Elisabeth the first learned a few things from her..
Having standards during this time was suicidal, Kudos to her😊
I read some where that the reason king Henry didn’t want Anne was because he was told she talked about him so he didn’t want her. What ever reason she was treated better then of the other wives
But I’m glad she’s being treated well
It's more embarrassing than that. Before Anne arrived at court, Henry decided to meet her early dressed as a commener. He thought she would recognize him as her true love. It was suppose to be a romantic gesture, but Anne recoiled from his advances and talked about his weight and hygiene, not realizing she was talking to the king. Henry disliked her from then on.
Imo Anne of Cleves, and Catherine of Aragon were Henry's only suitable wives.
Too bad he was such an unsuitable husband to all of them...
Well , in a nutshell a born king is always good with born queens than mistresses.
Jane Seymour the way she was represented here ,seemed to be a great woman too.
Catherine Parr was good too but C Howard was far too young in the first place Jane sounds like a decent person…
I honestly don’t think I would have gotten along with AB- she was a….bit a female canine. Didn’t deserve what happened though and let’s be real; Henry was NOT a suitable husband at all- ever.
Why do you think they’re a good match?
This actress made me love Anne of Cleves ❤
My fave actor for Cromwell. I thought he did a great job!
She is so pretty. And the king was repulsed.
How to be repulsed by beauty?
The story that I heard was that Henry dressed up as a knight and went to visit Ann expecting that if it was true love she would recognize him immediately. At this time he had gained a lot of weight and wasn’t considered handsome. He then left and put on his regal clothes but by then it was too late. His ego was as already bruised and he set up the rumor that she was too ugly. It was an important alliance though even though the marriage was annulled, he named her “the honorary sister of the king” she got the best outcome for of the wives by far as she because one of the most wealthy woman in the UK at the time and never married again
She... She spoke German in the original Version 😳
Wow i did not know that! But let my say she did amazing!
Greetings from Germany 🥰
I'm so happy to hear that. I also thought she'd got a good job and I'd love to see her in more.
She was the luckiest one.!
Right, she was so lucky
I am German and while her "German" was quite okay (I've heard way worse "German" in English speaking productions), it was a very heavy accented German. But considering it plays in the 1500s, I guess we can excuse that 😅
To be fair, Anne of Cleves BARELY spoke ANY english. She had a very bad education, so I think she'd have a very heavy accented in her first years. People even made fun of her, and she had no ideia, because she didn't understand.
@blahblahblahblah729 ja but I'm talking about her German and not her English. Joss Stone is a native English speaker and she spoke some German here, which was obviously spoken by a non German. I think her German accent while speaking English is good and seems quite authentic. But the sentence "the wound on his legs..." Is in German and there you can hear that she's not a German native speaker.
@@awsome182she is North German (from the Dutch borderlands) so her accent wouldn't be the same as modern German (which is more based on the Hessian and the Wittenberg dialects). Granted I doubt they trained her on "low German" dialects/modern Dutch pronunciation for this scene, but she wouldn't be talking like a 20th century literature professor from Frankfurt either.
@@jonathanbowers8964 and that's why I said that since this was in the 1500s, her German pronunciation is probably okay 😉
@@blahblahblahblah729 Her education was what her family considered proper for a lady of her station: embroidery, household management, and other similar things
The things that interested Henry (such as cards and music) would not have been included..
Her plite makes me so sad. I hope that her future was truly at least peaceful
Anne Of Cleves did what she could to survive Henry's court. In my opinion the actress was too pretty to play her. The real Anne Of Cleves was not a dog, but she was so plain looking. According to historical account she had a more masculine build, possibly she had more body strength than Henry desired in a female body. Women at this time were expected to maintain a small size by only eating less. Not strength training.
This is far too broad a statement to be correct.
First, we are talking about royal women. Women is general were expected to work and bear children. A small and fragile frame would not have been of any advantage. It's not the Baroque yet, but early modern Europe in general preferred more robust and strong women, too.
Second, as for the court, women could afford to appear fragile, yet they had to have strong bodies to withstand childbirth and other activities, including sports (yes, the played tennis at Hampton court, in full dresses). And noble women rode horses, too.
Those layers of clothing were no easy feat either.
Have you seen her portraits and read what other records say about her?
She was actually considered to be well looking and not plain at all.
She was not “plain looking.” Beauty is subjective and people have their opinions, but she has one of the prettier portraits when you look at all the wives. She was not plain. I would say she had the best portrait.
It may be different for everyone, but it needs to be the right way
Historically she wasn't at all ugly , she was a beauty. However what Henry looked for was a English beauty for that time period , high forehead, lashless, no eyebrow kinda look was considered the standard for royal beauty at the time as was being very pale and thin. She was a bombshell by today's standards ! Too good for Henry😌
Imagine, katherine had to indure that.. And they didnt depict in the series
Movie name
I'm so confused. I watched the Tudors again very recdntlyt, and I swear she says "It stinks, ja?", not "It smells, ja?". What is happeningggg
She says both. This vidéo IS cut. She says it stinks It smells ja !?
Maybe you can watch this episode again and you’ll know
@@LiamLee-v3f Maybe as the person who made the clip, you could just answer the question instead of being lazy
It is talking about how the King’s leg smelt because it was festering and pus filled. Which would leak out.
She did say it stinks. And more vehemently in this scene.
Answer to Anne of Cleves: no offense just Henry personality!
Show wise she was the most beautiful out of the wives, after Anne Boleyn.
Never heard a German accent like that before 😂
It is all about the video edit and voice app😂
ewwwwwwww I'm not surprised he got some kind of desease ewwww 🤢🤮
One second her accent is French, the next it’s German. I really wish she’d make up her mind.
That’s not a French accent lol
Tudor women wore gabled hoods, not fairy coronets.
The costumes on the tudors are terribly inaccurate. I find the "French hoods" with no hood some of the ladies in waiting wear especially hilarious
If this gets to you, don't for the love of god watch Reign.
@@FazziemanReign doesn't even look like a historical drama, those costumes just make it look like some kind of silly modern Comic Con, I'll never understand people's hype with that show😭
@@Fazzieman Reign is ridiculously guilty pleasure. Most historical dramas are anachronistic to varying degrees. But that scene where Claude lands a retaliatory one two punch to the throat of the Duke is everything!
This series is historical FICTION. I, for one, love the pretty costumes 🤷🏼♀️
Only had 4 good wives, the first one, the third one she if not mistaken, she was the 5th wife and his last wife ! This series is off the hook just saying😊
6 wifes the last was spared cause he died. She was also catherine i think
@@ayesharizwan195 yup, Catherine Parr
You are so wrong. This is Anne of Cleves, she was his 4th wife, and divorced by him. The 5th was Catherine Howard, who was beheaded for adultery. His last wife was Catherine Parr. She survived due to his death. None of these three ever bore him children. His third wife was Jane Seymour, who died giving him a son. I never trust anything in these types of productions because Hollywood tends to go their own way, not the historical way!😂
@ayesharizwan195 yes. He had 6 wives and 3 of them was named Catherine.
This was the 4th wife, Anna of cleaves
She wasn’t even that homely.
What smells?
Henry's leg never completely healed from an old jousting injury. It was often infected and gave off a bad smell because of it. It caused him occasional pain, which many spectate it kept him in a perpetual foul mood.
@dmoore8595 thank you for the information
Henry had an open would/sore on his leg that wasn't healing. Jonathan Rhys Meyers, the actor who portrays hims is still slender but by this time, Henry VIII was quite over weight and had major health issues with gout and possibly diabetes.
Henry viii's leg. He had infected leg wounds that reeked so badly that you could smell him coming from the next room.
He had gout. Abscess
So he smells a little? Buckle Up Patty Cakes!