tbf, cress was a bit broken or quite viable in gen 5 OU - not for any other reason than Gen 5 being a shitshow, ofc, but while duggy was still legal it was a highly viable sun wincon, as the typing and sun boosted moonlight made it borderline unbreakable if you could remove the tar, which duggy happens to do an *outstanding* job of.
Well, I mean you can easily saying the same things for singles. Certain hazard centric, Pokémon like Skarmory in particular, is much better in singles than VGC.
If that works. Trapping is banned in the modern meta but back then it was unreliable. You have to dedicate 3 mons (Ninetails, Defensive Xatu, and Dugtrio) just to support Cresselia. If any of them fall, the strategy completely breaks. Sand and rain were top tier weathers in Gen V.
It's interesting to see the singles context as someone who primarily enjoys VGC. Tera and Lunar Blessing made Cresselia far better at doing the things she's always done, and there was a top with someone using the Stored Power set, which is extremely radical in doubles. It's a shame that her original toolkit just isn't nearly as good as the Stored Power set in singles, so you can't even use those sets as a surprise Best of One set.
For what i could notice, cresselia is there to set trick room 100% of the times in close teams sheets formats (vgc). If i try to spore it it has safety gogles, if i try to taunt it it has mental herb, if i attack it becomes a different type and tanks it. I cannot take this any longer.
Please talk about the rise of Moltres into OU. It went from being a mediocre UU Pokémon to one of the best defensive walls in the meta-game. It’s really good example of meta adaptation.
5:55 I think that people cares more about the pokemon visual design rather than their playstyle, you could get ferrothorn and change its sprite and name to charizard and they would be like "omg my boy is finally ou"
Lumineon is my favorite water type. The cry and design is immaculate. I have cresselia, chimchar line, and Lumineon merch on my gaming setup😂. Gen 4 masterace.
I think Levitate has actually become a more worthwhile ability in gen 9, besides walling a lot of Great Tusk variants with it, removing hazards has become harder than previous generations. With levitate Cresselia will never need heavy duty boots and is much more free to pick more niche items
I couldn't agree more with you on your point about Tera. One of my least favourite aspects of it, since Gen 9 came out was how it got rid of the identity of so many different mons, making them into either snowballing sweepers or generic defensive Fairy types
good video. the way tera buffs bulky sweepers is really obnoxious, i remember people were even experimenting with articuno galar after home dropped just because it could also become a big dumb tera + stored power abuser. it really does just feel like it makes a lot of mons turn into diet espathra
The falling off of Ttar, removal of pursuit, and terastalization gave Cresselia everything it needed to be a successful OU mon. It's crazy because powerful ghost, dark, and fairy types are still not in short supply. It's new strategy is comparable to Espathra but that's only scratching the surface of its potential. It's still a potential dual screener and utility mon. It's even better in Doubles now thanks to its new move Lunar Blessing. I doubt it will ever be ban worthy like Espathra was. Espathra passively snowballs out of control with speed boost while Cresellia needs to commit to such a strategy.
Gen 9 has got to be the most mind numbing generation we have had so far, every game devolves into 50/50s with your terra win condition or just using terra to brute force through the opposing team, and bc of the extra coverage and power terra affords balance and other bulkier styles of teams have pretty much become unviable at top play, one of the most recent tournament games was literally decided by a turn 1 iron valiant speed tie, if that’s not a symptom of an unhealthy meta then idk what is. I understand that smogon wants to keep the casual playerbase happy by keeping the generational gimmick but honestly if someone stops playing gen 9 bc they can’t use terra then they prob weren’t gonna play for very long anyway. Also there are other metagames like natdex where you can spam all the broken things to your hearts content. We already have to deal with balancing all of the new broken pokemon and dealing with th e limited hazard removal options, we don’t need terra making things more complicated.
Honestly Tera lowkey keeps so much things in check. Like Tera Fighting helps so much against Gambit, much more than Kingambit benefits. Frankly preserving Tera seems to be the way to go.
I appreciate the nuanced take on Cresselia's identity being converted into yet another boost sweeper. I'm really over terastalization, and examples like Cresselia get brought up in its defense, which I find is an oversimplification. Anyhow, while Tera helps Cress dodge the move altogether, the lack of Knock Off distribution compared to last gen means it's less frequent that Cress finds herself even needing to blow tera to get the job done.
In singles OU that is true. Despite the below-average chart-typing of Psychic, they have been really strong in VGC. They have great moves, coverage, and have the highest special stats on average. I was watching Wolfe's recent vid and he'll show clips from VGC matches and several had at least 3 Psychic types on the field. It's crazy
psyspam was an extremely strong archetype in early OU but yeah they have generally fallen off a bit. i imagine its largely due to ghost and dark being so powerful - you cant load up anything without running into pult, gholdengo, gambit, h-samurott
@@powerfulberry237 i get what you’re saying, but more often than not psychic *is* a valuable part of a pokémon’s kit and identity. armarouge + indeedee is threatening because psy terrain + expanding force blows things up. this is a combo that’s persisted well beyond the powercreep that snuffed out dozogiri - you basically NEED a dark type or tera to combat this combo, or some specific way to beat it. this is true for other psychic types as well. as it happens, there are a number of common offensive pairings for the type, such as fighting, fairy, or fire that create deadly coverage. because, as it turns out, psychic type is strong when there’s nothing that can stop it. that’s why “psyspam” is a team archetype that’s existed for generations in singles. if a mons stat line works well with a type, then it’s good for all it’s attributes. psychic is an offensive typing, much like ice. lapras and iron bundle have essentially the *exact* same typing and coverage - but one is uber and the other untiered. slow ice types are bad, fast ones are good. you can’t separate a pokémon’s fundamental traits from each other because then you’re no longer talking about the pokémon; much like how jimmothy stated that cress this gen is good because it stopped being cress.
Cresselia is my favorite Pokémon, and the thing about the “distinct identity” for her is being the most unfairly overshadowed legendary ever All the times Cresselia has been relevant to Gamefreak, it was because of Darkrai: Her introductory event in DPP was caused because of Darkrai; her role in PMD was to fight against Darkrai which by the way, RENDERED HER ABSOLUTELY USELESS; all the times Cresselia appeared in the anime was to be a damsel in distress for Darkrai (Darkrai got its own movie by the way, in which its counterpart DID. NOT. APPEAR); Heck, even in Legends Arceus she was guarding the… Dark Plate, while I don’t think you even need to acknowledge Cresselia for Darkrai’s event. Plus, the BST nerf means they aren’t even on equal footing anymore (not that she had a chance before, for being counterparts, there is a bigger advantage that what Kyogre held over Groudon, not to mention Darkrai got a unique ability and a move so good it had to be gutted to the ground, whereas Cresselia got the most generic ability and a reskinned Healing Wish) So yeah, as far as I’m concerned, let her have this win, not like GameFreak gives a damn for Cresselia anyway, as much as it pains me.
I have yet to see any actual proof of his wrong doings, only baseless allegations with no proof. Jimothy is running a smear campaign against Iron Mugulis.
Honestly, I don't know how happy people are about Cress, but I'm extremely happy for its presence. A defensive stopgap in a generation that desperately needs more, and has to commit to an Espathra impression (but can still do it alright). That being said, I do agree that boost sweeper is not Cress' unique quality and I do legitimately agree it makes Tera more stale. I personally believe that Tera being used in this way is a result of not enough experimentation, though. There's many ways to potentially use Tera on a team if you wanted to, and people focus on using it on their big boosty sweepers because those Pokemon can run away with a game. The maximum potential reward for putting in less effort. I predict that if Tera types got revealed before match start then the number of these attempts will go down. Part of the reason it works so well on boost sweepers is the element of surprise, after all
Why wouldnt you use tera this way, however? There is no better way to use Tera than to bait in a check, start setting up on it, and then wiping the floor. It also isnt like its a 1v6 either. Annihilating defensive walls with insane breakers we've seen this gen (Gambit, Bax, Enam) and then running away with a stored power, dragon dance, calm mind, or substitute sweep has enabled so many otherwise shit players to spam the ladder with teams like psyspam, screens, or general hyperoffense and it just works. When a game becomes 20 turns instead of 100, every turn matters and has brought games down to luck more than ever. Besides the usual freezes/flinches/crits, we now have to run the 25/25/25/25 of do they terastalize into type A, type B, throw up a sub, or just dont tera at all. Preview is gonna reduce this to a 50/50, but it could be argued that isnt any better. In addition to this we now have bs like Dire Claw, Ceaseless Edge. Advocating for innovation isnt going to do anything if there isnt any innovation left to do without handicapping yourself. People tried to innovate at the end of pre-home, but that meta had already been fully explored.
How to pronounce Gliscor: Gliscor = gli(ding) + scor(pion) Jimothy Cool, professional Pokemon enthusiast and Iron Mugulis whistle blower: Gliscor = Gl + (D)iscor(d) (6:25) I don’t really care how people pronounce Pokémon names, but it’s just always very conspicuous, distracting, surprising, and a bit funny when someone pronounces it in a unique and original way. Especially someone who you consider to know more about Pokémon than yourself. :p
i've been using it on spite stall to thunder wave, trick, lunar dance my corviknight and revival blessing it with rabsca by switching in on twaved mons and rest talking
I have an irrational hatred for these bulky special sweepers, whether it be Gen 1 Amnesia Slowbro, Gen 3 Sub Jirachi and Defensive CM Rest Suicune, Gen 7 Dual Dance Reuniculus, Gen 8 Stored Power Magearna etcetera. They’re not usually broken (except for Magearna), but they have such specific checks, sometimes differing based on set, and make the games drag on while feeling a source of impending doom.
I do kind of get people saying that Tera creates a unique meta by allowing once bad pokemon to shine, but does it really? Yeah stuff like Cresellia in ou is really unique but most mons are still the usual crowd who would be ou anyways. Not to mention all the usually fine mons who suddenly become op like my queen Volcarona (Rip).
@@aidanobrien6156 What a weirdly specific example, I would think it'd be much more productive to mention the boost sweepers who don't need several turns to be threatening, and also realise dragonite doesn't need +4 attack to sweep teams at all. Like kingambit, sneasler, baxcalibur etc. The issue with boost sweepers is they can easily start sweeping with 1 or 2 turns of setup, and tera lets them avoid lethal attacks or status that would prevent it. It gives them those turns for free, or at least create a complete 50/50 to guess for game, and many people find that when games come to these moments very often its uncompetitive.
@@falcon9213 Baxcalibur is additionally extremely unhealthy because the main way to cripple it (Will-O) doesnt work, which lets it save the opportunity cost of tera for a moment where it can solo an entire team.
Slowking-G is an underrated Pokémon for this stat. Mainly cus it has access to flamethrower to hit steels, toxic immunity, and people will be thinking you are a defensive Mon so the is a more surprise factor and it can catch your opponent off guard
I feel like some people forget Cresselia has 2 insane support signature moves in lunar dance and lunar blessing, I feel like those moves could help make some insanely good team comps and keeps cresselia a bulky support Pokemon
Lunar dance is seen on TR teams primarily, and TR is a bit inconsistent even with ursaluna in the game. But it is indeed a move used on such team comps
I had only seen her in VGC and I was like yeah Jim bouta talk bout that Lunar Blessing yeaaaheh and then you dragged me to the horrors of single battles. Man, this generation is so wild. Its so harowing to hear that the Big Stupid Swan Tank (affectionate) is now a set up sweeper..
Yeah it often ends up like: “I will switch in to this kingambit with dozo then use dozo to snipe it with body press” *gambit proceeds to tera dark, living the body press because it is that bulky, chunking dozo with kowtow/something else then sucker punching the next turn*
I loved BDSP UU Cresselia. It was one of the bulkiest mons in the tier, and with Calm Mind and Moonlight (thanks to no Tyranitar, niche Hippowdon, no Drizzle, and vogue Drought) both one of the most notoriously difficult to kill and most powerful. There were quite a few calls for its suspect testing or ban (that never panned out). As in this gen, poisoning it and spamming Knock Off were both effective at taking it down. Heracross was also uniquely positioned to seal its doom thanks to Guts boosted Megahorn. And because of its necessary coverage, Metagross also consistently stopped Cresselia in its tracks. Despite having that sweeping potential, Cresselia was simply not strong enough nor invulnerable enough to have that potential against what was back then an average team. Still, its unique characteristics made it an invaluable team member for the archetypes of Sun, Trick Room, and Bulky Offense. One of the MVP's of that game's UU in its heyday.
Overrated. Resistances are a lot more valuable than lack of weaknesses even with good natural bulk, and electric doesn't give you any valuable coverage really. You won't get nearly as many setup opportunities.
@@gunsandroses896 Exactly, and with Psychic being a bad type because of so many powerful ghost and dark types so being only weak to psychic is almost as good as having no weakness. And an added immunity to Toxic, and Tera Poison Cresselia becomes a defensive beast.
Tera is fine in Doubles, VGC being Pokemons official format. GameFreak doesnt really care about singles, and certainly not about Smogon singles, so its kinda weird to fault them for it
This is the thing I dislike about Tera. A lot of Pokemon don't become better because they actually get care from Game Freak, they become better because they become a different Pokemon. Garganacl wouldn't be a problem if it's just pure rock, but since it can tera into different types, it can become an annoying mon. Volcarona wouldn't be banned if it didn't get tera. It played fundamentally the same as it used to, just now it suddenly gains the option to become a different type to check what is supposed to check it. Same with Regieleki and Kingambit if it is banned. Honestly, the whole idea of generational gimmicks feels like a hot mess that becomes gradually worse for me.
Yet on the other hand, Tera has brought us a whole new dimension to the game, without being broken in itself. I've heard so many other people claming tera made a lot of Pokémon broken, but for what I've seen every single Pokémon that are broken because of tera were already complet joke of game designs without tera that encourage uncompetitive stratégies. First of all no, Volcarona was never a fine Pokémon, it has always been terribly designed and tera just made it obvious. Volcarona since bw is "matchup fishing" the Pokémon, a Pokémon that relies not on skill but on wether or not there is a counter in the enemy team. For this reason using it never required any skill, you just click quiver dance and be broken. Espatra was blaziken on steroid, blaziken has been banned for 3 générations for good reasons, tera again just pushed it outside of OU where it belongs. Kingambit is a stupid comeback Pokémon that relies on coinflip, it's unbalanced, uncompetitive and awfully designed. If this thing gets banned, it deserves it. Chi-yu and chien-pao are just overpowered pokemon with broken abilities, they are home in uber. You can also argue that iron valiant and roaring moon are too strong because of it, but that's what you get from having basically legendary Pokémon with over 115 speed and 130 attack, those are some ridiculous stats, how is anyone surprised that these Pokémon cause some issues. Rather than having a tunnel vision on tera, we should maybe start to realise than gen 9 OU has some pretty overpowered Pokémon that would have never been accepted in the tier before gen 8. The rest of the tier is fine with tera, sure the mecanics does come into play sometimes, thanks god it's not useless, but it still has some counterplay and won't win you whole games out of nowhere. Ban kingambit, and maybe roaring moon and the tier becomes instantly better
At least Mega only affected a small selection of pokemon, and even then I'd argue that many ended up much worse than if they were given just a regular evolution with multiple ability choices Everyone loves Mega Charizard.... but looking at Mega Absol you wonder if it wouldn't have been better as just another evolution...
And about Cresselia, you can't guarantee every single Pokémon will gain depth through a génération's mechanic. For now it doesn't seem broken at all, not the best designed Pokémon for sure but not terrible, but if it ends up being stupid, we can have an OU tier without cresselia, we never needed this Pokémon in OU
@@artimist0315 I agree with somethings like valiant, chi-yu, chien pao etc. But some I disagree with. Volcarona is not a fine pokemon, it is indeed a match up check, however it would not been banned without tera. Azumarill is not a check to volcarona anymore because it can just tera grass or water and deal with it. Pokemon like heatran, skeledirge, clodsire, toxapex, etc. All these mons would check volc if it didn't have tera, but tera flips it and just lets volc run wild. Same thing for Kingambit, imagine if great tusk was a reliable answer to kingambit, kingambit probably won't have to be banned. Espathra could feasibly get a re-test in a tera-less and no shed tail metagame as that gives less opportunities for espathra to set up and win. Are all these pokemon very broken without tera? Yes, but they likely wouldn't have been banned.
@@watery2211 I'm absolutly not saying these Pokémon would have been banned without tera, I'm saying I'm glad tera got them bad because they are unhealthy for the competitiveness of Pokémon. I'm actually certain that if it wasn't for tera, we would still have matchup fishing Volcarona and people arguing that 50/50 king is fair, but that wouldn't make them less toxic, restrictive and uncompetitve pokémon. Therefore I'm glad something like tera exists, to clearly show these things are not good for the game and should be banned. As for would these things be "broken" without tera ? It really depends on what you call broken. If broken for you is something like mega-lucario that can 6-0 any team without any trouble or counterplay, then clearly no, these things would not have been broken. If broken is being banworthy, volcarona and kingambit are tecnically not broken. But if broken is being uncompetitive, unhealthy for the meta game and rewarding low-skill strategies and plays, then yeah, these two Pokémon are broken, with or without tera.
People are just gaslighting themselves into believing tera is fine, what's worse is that because of that no action against it will ever happen. Hopefully next gen gimmick will be better balanced.
Both common Cres tera types are psychic weak, so while the counter isn't what you expect it to be, it does exist. For that reason I like Creselia's spot in the meta. It gives a legitimate reason to run Psyshock or physical psychic coverage due to it almost exclusively running calm mind sets that can handle the usual special psychic moves well enough to heal it off.
Gen 9 playbook is just Secure one free turn Click boosting move Put on the funny crystal hat and take a fat shit on the supposed counter that just came in Win
Personally i like tera enhancing these pokemon, it gives previously underrated pokemon the chance to be viable and brings new innovations instead of just the usual boring crowd of viable pokemon, yes there are some broken pokemons, but there always are. I fully understand some people's dislikes of tera though.
Completely disagree. Gen 3 had some interesting and weird sets. Gen 9, more pokemon are viable but it feels like it's more of a "can you use tera to become a better set up sweeper faster than your opponent can?" but with the added shit drawback of "Can you guess if they'll tera and if they do, what type will it be? Guess wrong you lose, guess right you play again"
@@pointynives Ok, but one thing gen 3 is missing most of the threats of modern pokemon. Tera can be used defensively easily enough. Pokemon like gen 9 cresselia are the equivalent of sableye in gen 3 ou, quagsire in gen 5 ubers, and others I can't think of off the top of my head, pokemon that have no right to be as good as they are but are anyway. This current metagame is an arms race due to Charlie 3, who can find a new innovation to beat it, who can find a way to beat said innovation. Like I use a H-lilligant with tera water, poison jab, ice spinner, close combat (or drain punch), victory dance, chlorophyll and focus sash. It doesn't function as a win condition but instead as a counter to tera sweepers.
He has hammered the nail right on the head. Tera lowkey needs to be banned. The only ways Tera is ever used are 1. To gain additional stab damage, 2. To gain better defensive typing to set up. It’s extremely stale and made many pokemon op and banned to Ubers that should not be Ubers.
@@corymargarucci I don't understand how that's stale when there's always a new pokemon using a new tera type to an advantage, new is the opposite of stale. Maybe I just like metagame that's always changin
@@corymargarucci Tera is a okay mechanic. It just has the surprise type factor. Therefore we should start off by allowing tera previews at the team preview stage
How about we call Espathra a ratite. It's a family that contains flightless birds such as emus and ostriches; both are the inspiration for Espathra. We good?
I don't know why cresselia didn't get fairy type in gen 6, considering it is a pokemon based on dreams and has some references of moon on its design and even moveset. Tell me why the hell did grambull become a fairy, but not cresselia?
Cress is good. But in reality, i don't think I'd ever sweep with it. My opponent would already come up with a counter play by the time its damage was reasonable. Defensive is more reliable, poison, steel, and even electric due well.
I disagree that cress lost identity now. It still can fill the exact same niche it had before, it’s just that that niche was bad. The niche as a bulky sweeper that can get out of hand if left unchecked is nothing new. It’s a niche filled by tons of Pokémon throughout the generations and something cress has always wanted to do but been bad at. Tera has only opened up more options in this case and you contradicted yourself when you said “it will just turn into a generically good type” but also talk about how it’ll turn itself into a poison type (infamously not great) to counter clodsire. I think it adds a really cool flavor to a Pokémon that has looked like it would be good since it’s inception but has always missed the mark.
If anything, terastallization makes the game more interesting, if it was for Cresselia's identity as a pokemon before gen 9, it would've never been viable in UU, let alone OU. Even if cresselia plays a similar role to espathra, the playstyle is not the same and completely changes the team composition and synergies that only fit with having cresselia in a team. All in all, I'm surprised cresselia even found a niche in OU thanks to terastallization, while tyranitar just becomes less viable thanks to it, I don't ever want to see the mechanic being banned
Terastilization is the best thing ever to competitive Pokémon now new teams can be made and everyone isn’t using the same BS it makes you have to think much harder less about a 50/50 and more skill/ knowledge it’s actually challenging…. Idk why you think it has done the opposite ?
I'll be honest, when I first found your content, I didn't like it. Can't quite put my finger on it. But I've been coming around to it. Keep it up, Jimbo
Is Kingambit Becoming a Problem?
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Kingambit's farts are becoming too potent, we must put a stop to this methane menace.
Kingambit wasn’t sugercoating it with Dark Tera sucker punch and Kowtow Cleave.
I think tera always makes the game more interesting.
@@wraith6233 also pushing more mons to brokenness so sadly Kingambit just one of many that get to go for its sin
Nah he’s fine
It’s crazy how Cresselia got *better* after getting its stats nerfed
Getting to ditch its shitty Psychic-typing is much more favourable than a mere -10 loss in defenses
What was the nurf of Cresselia? Just Defence nurf?
@@epicwuexcaliburumbra1736it lost 10 points in each defensive stat
@@Bjix thanks. 💪🏾☺️
@@breloommaster12aegislash: 👁️👄👁️
Cresselia buffs be like:
everyone else got worse
tbf, cress was a bit broken or quite viable in gen 5 OU - not for any other reason than Gen 5 being a shitshow, ofc, but while duggy was still legal it was a highly viable sun wincon, as the typing and sun boosted moonlight made it borderline unbreakable if you could remove the tar, which duggy happens to do an *outstanding* job of.
Well, I mean you can easily saying the same things for singles. Certain hazard centric, Pokémon like Skarmory in particular, is much better in singles than VGC.
If that works. Trapping is banned in the modern meta but back then it was unreliable. You have to dedicate 3 mons (Ninetails, Defensive Xatu, and Dugtrio) just to support Cresselia. If any of them fall, the strategy completely breaks. Sand and rain were top tier weathers in Gen V.
@graysliverred9205 He literally was referring to singles but ok???
It's interesting to see the singles context as someone who primarily enjoys VGC. Tera and Lunar Blessing made Cresselia far better at doing the things she's always done, and there was a top with someone using the Stored Power set, which is extremely radical in doubles. It's a shame that her original toolkit just isn't nearly as good as the Stored Power set in singles, so you can't even use those sets as a surprise Best of One set.
For what i could notice, cresselia is there to set trick room 100% of the times in close teams sheets formats (vgc). If i try to spore it it has safety gogles, if i try to taunt it it has mental herb, if i attack it becomes a different type and tanks it. I cannot take this any longer.
Please talk about the rise of Moltres into OU. It went from being a mediocre UU Pokémon to one of the best defensive walls in the meta-game. It’s really good example of meta adaptation.
So happy my main bird is EATING this gen, be dope if the dlc gives him scorching sands or defog again
What having a good matchup againts the top 4 mons in the tier does to a bird
5:55 I think that people cares more about the pokemon visual design rather than their playstyle, you could get ferrothorn and change its sprite and name to charizard and they would be like "omg my boy is finally ou"
Lumineon is my favorite water type. The cry and design is immaculate. I have cresselia, chimchar line, and Lumineon merch on my gaming setup😂. Gen 4 masterace.
Of course Cresselia is rising, it’s got levitate!!! 🤣
Flygon has levitate to, hopefully its day will come eventually
@@thepandamew-iw7yx Give Flygon the points to its offenses that Cress and Aegislash lost from their defenses
Ba dum tss
I think Levitate has actually become a more worthwhile ability in gen 9, besides walling a lot of Great Tusk variants with it, removing hazards has become harder than previous generations. With levitate Cresselia will never need heavy duty boots and is much more free to pick more niche items
Cresselias main buff is the lack of toxic distribution
I couldn't agree more with you on your point about Tera. One of my least favourite aspects of it, since Gen 9 came out was how it got rid of the identity of so many different mons, making them into either snowballing sweepers or generic defensive Fairy types
good video. the way tera buffs bulky sweepers is really obnoxious, i remember people were even experimenting with articuno galar after home dropped just because it could also become a big dumb tera + stored power abuser. it really does just feel like it makes a lot of mons turn into diet espathra
Came for the iron mugulis update, stayed for the quality content
Waltzing Matilda playing in the background while Espathra was on screen was inspired.
I completely agree with the ending sentiment
2:16 Me: That malicious mug is plotting something devious.
Iron Mugulis: What a beautiful day....
I'm curious as to what will happen next. Is Iron Mugulis planning something big, or is it simply taking a break?
I would wager he is building a nuclear bomb, doesn't seem like the type of criminal to ever take a break
The falling off of Ttar, removal of pursuit, and terastalization gave Cresselia everything it needed to be a successful OU mon. It's crazy because powerful ghost, dark, and fairy types are still not in short supply. It's new strategy is comparable to Espathra but that's only scratching the surface of its potential. It's still a potential dual screener and utility mon. It's even better in Doubles now thanks to its new move Lunar Blessing. I doubt it will ever be ban worthy like Espathra was. Espathra passively snowballs out of control with speed boost while Cresellia needs to commit to such a strategy.
Gen 9 has got to be the most mind numbing generation we have had so far, every game devolves into 50/50s with your terra win condition or just using terra to brute force through the opposing team, and bc of the extra coverage and power terra affords balance and other bulkier styles of teams have pretty much become unviable at top play, one of the most recent tournament games was literally decided by a turn 1 iron valiant speed tie, if that’s not a symptom of an unhealthy meta then idk what is. I understand that smogon wants to keep the casual playerbase happy by keeping the generational gimmick but honestly if someone stops playing gen 9 bc they can’t use terra then they prob weren’t gonna play for very long anyway. Also there are other metagames like natdex where you can spam all the broken things to your hearts content. We already have to deal with balancing all of the new broken pokemon and dealing with th e limited hazard removal options, we don’t need terra making things more complicated.
Honestly Tera lowkey keeps so much things in check. Like Tera Fighting helps so much against Gambit, much more than Kingambit benefits. Frankly preserving Tera seems to be the way to go.
I appreciate the nuanced take on Cresselia's identity being converted into yet another boost sweeper. I'm really over terastalization, and examples like Cresselia get brought up in its defense, which I find is an oversimplification.
Anyhow, while Tera helps Cress dodge the move altogether, the lack of Knock Off distribution compared to last gen means it's less frequent that Cress finds herself even needing to blow tera to get the job done.
A video on the fall of psychic types could be cool they just seem so much worse now even without pursuit besides from a few exceptions like cress
In singles OU that is true. Despite the below-average chart-typing of Psychic, they have been really strong in VGC. They have great moves, coverage, and have the highest special stats on average. I was watching Wolfe's recent vid and he'll show clips from VGC matches and several had at least 3 Psychic types on the field. It's crazy
The first
psyspam was an extremely strong archetype in early OU but yeah they have generally fallen off a bit. i imagine its largely due to ghost and dark being so powerful - you cant load up anything without running into pult, gholdengo, gambit, h-samurott
@@chrisrozier3123you listed everything that makes the mons good, not the Type itself
@@powerfulberry237 i get what you’re saying, but more often than not psychic *is* a valuable part of a pokémon’s kit and identity. armarouge + indeedee is threatening because psy terrain + expanding force blows things up. this is a combo that’s persisted well beyond the powercreep that snuffed out dozogiri - you basically NEED a dark type or tera to combat this combo, or some specific way to beat it.
this is true for other psychic types as well. as it happens, there are a number of common offensive pairings for the type, such as fighting, fairy, or fire that create deadly coverage. because, as it turns out, psychic type is strong when there’s nothing that can stop it. that’s why “psyspam” is a team archetype that’s existed for generations in singles.
if a mons stat line works well with a type, then it’s good for all it’s attributes. psychic is an offensive typing, much like ice. lapras and iron bundle have essentially the *exact* same typing and coverage - but one is uber and the other untiered. slow ice types are bad, fast ones are good. you can’t separate a pokémon’s fundamental traits from each other because then you’re no longer talking about the pokémon; much like how jimmothy stated that cress this gen is good because it stopped being cress.
i love seeing the effects of tera on pokemon home additions. levitate on a relevant type is suddenly crazy
Gamefreak: Oh shit, Cresselia is too OP, we gotta nerf it!!
Also gamefreak: a mechanic that chabges typing? Nah not broken lol
Somewhere out there, Old Money is planning his next master scheme.
I am supprised how high it is with things like kingambit and gholdengo running around, as well as the downfall of trick room
Another thing to keep in mind is that it’s a pretty good counter to Great Tusk considering it’s immune to ground and resists fighting
Iron Mugulis is planning something…
Just to be safe, I will like and subscribe, despite the fact iron mugulis hasn’t been up to much lately
I remember running weakness policy cress, it can easily tank hits without investment and the +2 helps
iron mugulis in a house with some coffee brewin... perhaps it has turned a new leaf
Cresselia is my favorite Pokémon, and the thing about the “distinct identity” for her is being the most unfairly overshadowed legendary ever
All the times Cresselia has been relevant to Gamefreak, it was because of Darkrai: Her introductory event in DPP was caused because of Darkrai; her role in PMD was to fight against Darkrai which by the way, RENDERED HER ABSOLUTELY USELESS; all the times Cresselia appeared in the anime was to be a damsel in distress for Darkrai (Darkrai got its own movie by the way, in which its counterpart DID. NOT. APPEAR); Heck, even in Legends Arceus she was guarding the… Dark Plate, while I don’t think you even need to acknowledge Cresselia for Darkrai’s event. Plus, the BST nerf means they aren’t even on equal footing anymore (not that she had a chance before, for being counterparts, there is a bigger advantage that what Kyogre held over Groudon, not to mention Darkrai got a unique ability and a move so good it had to be gutted to the ground, whereas Cresselia got the most generic ability and a reskinned Healing Wish)
So yeah, as far as I’m concerned, let her have this win, not like GameFreak gives a damn for Cresselia anyway, as much as it pains me.
Imagine if she had cosmic power. She'd be on that dragon dance Garchomp level.😏
I really need to know how this Iron Mugulis thing ends 😂😂😂
In my opinion Jimothy has been too harsh on Iron Mugulis
I have yet to see any actual proof of his wrong doings, only baseless allegations with no proof. Jimothy is running a smear campaign against Iron Mugulis.
he just sittig there :(
Don’t get complacent! The mug is scheming. We must prepare
ive watched your vids for a month but i am now subscribing because i am no longer scared of iron mugulis
Honestly, I don't know how happy people are about Cress, but I'm extremely happy for its presence. A defensive stopgap in a generation that desperately needs more, and has to commit to an Espathra impression (but can still do it alright).
That being said, I do agree that boost sweeper is not Cress' unique quality and I do legitimately agree it makes Tera more stale. I personally believe that Tera being used in this way is a result of not enough experimentation, though. There's many ways to potentially use Tera on a team if you wanted to, and people focus on using it on their big boosty sweepers because those Pokemon can run away with a game. The maximum potential reward for putting in less effort. I predict that if Tera types got revealed before match start then the number of these attempts will go down. Part of the reason it works so well on boost sweepers is the element of surprise, after all
Why wouldnt you use tera this way, however? There is no better way to use Tera than to bait in a check, start setting up on it, and then wiping the floor. It also isnt like its a 1v6 either. Annihilating defensive walls with insane breakers we've seen this gen (Gambit, Bax, Enam) and then running away with a stored power, dragon dance, calm mind, or substitute sweep has enabled so many otherwise shit players to spam the ladder with teams like psyspam, screens, or general hyperoffense and it just works. When a game becomes 20 turns instead of 100, every turn matters and has brought games down to luck more than ever. Besides the usual freezes/flinches/crits, we now have to run the 25/25/25/25 of do they terastalize into type A, type B, throw up a sub, or just dont tera at all. Preview is gonna reduce this to a 50/50, but it could be argued that isnt any better. In addition to this we now have bs like Dire Claw, Ceaseless Edge. Advocating for innovation isnt going to do anything if there isnt any innovation left to do without handicapping yourself. People tried to innovate at the end of pre-home, but that meta had already been fully explored.
fairy wouldve been a good retcon type addition for this croissant
How to pronounce Gliscor:
Gliscor = gli(ding) + scor(pion)
Jimothy Cool, professional Pokemon enthusiast and Iron Mugulis whistle blower:
Gliscor = Gl + (D)iscor(d) (6:25)
I don’t really care how people pronounce Pokémon names, but it’s just always very conspicuous, distracting, surprising, and a bit funny when someone pronounces it in a unique and original way. Especially someone who you consider to know more about Pokémon than yourself. :p
Wait Iron Mugulis not doing crimes it's more unbelievable than my dad returning back to home with the milk ( if he does one dat )
Watch this previous lower-tiered pokemon become the next pokemon to get banned due to abusing tera
i've been using it on spite stall to thunder wave, trick, lunar dance my corviknight and revival blessing it with rabsca by switching in on twaved mons and rest talking
I agree very much with your opinion on Tera at the end
I won’t lie I wish they gave aura sphere to reuniclus when it returns in the dlc
I have an irrational hatred for these bulky special sweepers, whether it be Gen 1 Amnesia Slowbro, Gen 3 Sub Jirachi and Defensive CM Rest Suicune, Gen 7 Dual Dance Reuniculus, Gen 8 Stored Power Magearna etcetera. They’re not usually broken (except for Magearna), but they have such specific checks, sometimes differing based on set, and make the games drag on while feeling a source of impending doom.
I definitely agree with your closing thoughts
Those Reviver Seeds sure did do her good after all
Cresselia is a legendary Pokemon!
The bit about the Emu War killed me
I do kind of get people saying that Tera creates a unique meta by allowing once bad pokemon to shine, but does it really? Yeah stuff like Cresellia in ou is really unique but most mons are still the usual crowd who would be ou anyways. Not to mention all the usually fine mons who suddenly become op like my queen Volcarona (Rip).
I think showing Tera types before they Tera would balance that
@@shisuieditsit does nothing about set up sweepers
@@enn1924yeah but if you allow set up sweeps to get out of hand like a +4 Dragonite or something, that's on you.
@@aidanobrien6156 What a weirdly specific example, I would think it'd be much more productive to mention the boost sweepers who don't need several turns to be threatening, and also realise dragonite doesn't need +4 attack to sweep teams at all.
Like kingambit, sneasler, baxcalibur etc.
The issue with boost sweepers is they can easily start sweeping with 1 or 2 turns of setup, and tera lets them avoid lethal attacks or status that would prevent it. It gives them those turns for free, or at least create a complete 50/50 to guess for game, and many people find that when games come to these moments very often its uncompetitive.
@@falcon9213 Baxcalibur is additionally extremely unhealthy because the main way to cripple it (Will-O) doesnt work, which lets it save the opportunity cost of tera for a moment where it can solo an entire team.
The more i play ou the more i want to try a format of gen 9 ou without tera to see if its more enjoyable
Slowking-G is an underrated Pokémon for this stat. Mainly cus it has access to flamethrower to hit steels, toxic immunity, and people will be thinking you are a defensive Mon so the is a more surprise factor and it can catch your opponent off guard
I feel like some people forget Cresselia has 2 insane support signature moves in lunar dance and lunar blessing, I feel like those moves could help make some insanely good team comps and keeps cresselia a bulky support Pokemon
Lunar dance is seen on TR teams primarily, and TR is a bit inconsistent even with ursaluna in the game. But it is indeed a move used on such team comps
I had only seen her in VGC and I was like yeah Jim bouta talk bout that Lunar Blessing yeaaaheh and then you dragged me to the horrors of single battles. Man, this generation is so wild. Its so harowing to hear that the Big Stupid Swan Tank (affectionate) is now a set up sweeper..
Wait, cresselia got axed 10 points from both defense stats? Why? What did she do last generation to be brutalized like this
She got a new move that is good on vgc I think
Cresselia is an excellent wall in the Bdsp battle tower. It helped me get through the master class.
I would very much like Terastalization to go now. I no longer find it fun or novel and feel like it spoils a lot of aspects of the game I enjoyed.
Same. I've been playing a lot of ADV recently and I had forgotten how nice it is not having to worry if the enemy is going to change its type
And if not Tera as a whole, at least Tera Blast.
Yeah it often ends up like:
“I will switch in to this kingambit with dozo then use dozo to snipe it with body press”
*gambit proceeds to tera dark, living the body press because it is that bulky, chunking dozo with kowtow/something else then sucker punching the next turn*
Cresselia is define the queen of trick room setter in double since she release in Gen 4 up to Gen 9
Big Cress strikes again.
I loved BDSP UU Cresselia. It was one of the bulkiest mons in the tier, and with Calm Mind and Moonlight (thanks to no Tyranitar, niche Hippowdon, no Drizzle, and vogue Drought) both one of the most notoriously difficult to kill and most powerful. There were quite a few calls for its suspect testing or ban (that never panned out).
As in this gen, poisoning it and spamming Knock Off were both effective at taking it down. Heracross was also uniquely positioned to seal its doom thanks to Guts boosted Megahorn. And because of its necessary coverage, Metagross also consistently stopped Cresselia in its tracks.
Despite having that sweeping potential, Cresselia was simply not strong enough nor invulnerable enough to have that potential against what was back then an average team. Still, its unique characteristics made it an invaluable team member for the archetypes of Sun, Trick Room, and Bulky Offense. One of the MVP's of that game's UU in its heyday.
Tera Electric Cresselia with no weaknesses would be insane
Yeah but weak to toxic + you ain't hitting a lot
Overrated. Resistances are a lot more valuable than lack of weaknesses even with good natural bulk, and electric doesn't give you any valuable coverage really. You won't get nearly as many setup opportunities.
Tera Poison is much better though.
@@veenadayma6514 true. Psychic already resists the Psychic so no reason why someone would Psychic a Cresselia first turn
@@gunsandroses896 Exactly, and with Psychic being a bad type because of so many powerful ghost and dark types so being only weak to psychic is almost as good as having no weakness. And an added immunity to Toxic, and Tera Poison Cresselia becomes a defensive beast.
i thought this was just gonna be 8 mimutes of him saying "ursaluna ursaluna ursaluna" but no mention ig
UU is a pretty fun meta right now, maybe you should check it out
Terastallization once again making mid stuff strong and strong stuff OP. Who could have ever see that coming? Certainly not Game Freak.
Tera is fine in Doubles, VGC being Pokemons official format. GameFreak doesnt really care about singles, and certainly not about Smogon singles, so its kinda weird to fault them for it
This is the thing I dislike about Tera. A lot of Pokemon don't become better because they actually get care from Game Freak, they become better because they become a different Pokemon.
Garganacl wouldn't be a problem if it's just pure rock, but since it can tera into different types, it can become an annoying mon.
Volcarona wouldn't be banned if it didn't get tera. It played fundamentally the same as it used to, just now it suddenly gains the option to become a different type to check what is supposed to check it. Same with Regieleki and Kingambit if it is banned.
Honestly, the whole idea of generational gimmicks feels like a hot mess that becomes gradually worse for me.
Yet on the other hand, Tera has brought us a whole new dimension to the game, without being broken in itself.
I've heard so many other people claming tera made a lot of Pokémon broken, but for what I've seen every single Pokémon that are broken because of tera were already complet joke of game designs without tera that encourage uncompetitive stratégies.
First of all no, Volcarona was never a fine Pokémon, it has always been terribly designed and tera just made it obvious. Volcarona since bw is "matchup fishing" the Pokémon, a Pokémon that relies not on skill but on wether or not there is a counter in the enemy team. For this reason using it never required any skill, you just click quiver dance and be broken.
Espatra was blaziken on steroid, blaziken has been banned for 3 générations for good reasons, tera again just pushed it outside of OU where it belongs.
Kingambit is a stupid comeback Pokémon that relies on coinflip, it's unbalanced, uncompetitive and awfully designed. If this thing gets banned, it deserves it.
Chi-yu and chien-pao are just overpowered pokemon with broken abilities, they are home in uber.
You can also argue that iron valiant and roaring moon are too strong because of it, but that's what you get from having basically legendary Pokémon with over 115 speed and 130 attack, those are some ridiculous stats, how is anyone surprised that these Pokémon cause some issues.
Rather than having a tunnel vision on tera, we should maybe start to realise than gen 9 OU has some pretty overpowered Pokémon that would have never been accepted in the tier before gen 8. The rest of the tier is fine with tera, sure the mecanics does come into play sometimes, thanks god it's not useless, but it still has some counterplay and won't win you whole games out of nowhere. Ban kingambit, and maybe roaring moon and the tier becomes instantly better
At least Mega only affected a small selection of pokemon, and even then I'd argue that many ended up much worse than if they were given just a regular evolution with multiple ability choices
Everyone loves Mega Charizard.... but looking at Mega Absol you wonder if it wouldn't have been better as just another evolution...
And about Cresselia, you can't guarantee every single Pokémon will gain depth through a génération's mechanic. For now it doesn't seem broken at all, not the best designed Pokémon for sure but not terrible, but if it ends up being stupid, we can have an OU tier without cresselia, we never needed this Pokémon in OU
@@artimist0315 I agree with somethings like valiant, chi-yu, chien pao etc. But some I disagree with.
Volcarona is not a fine pokemon, it is indeed a match up check, however it would not been banned without tera. Azumarill is not a check to volcarona anymore because it can just tera grass or water and deal with it. Pokemon like heatran, skeledirge, clodsire, toxapex, etc. All these mons would check volc if it didn't have tera, but tera flips it and just lets volc run wild.
Same thing for Kingambit, imagine if great tusk was a reliable answer to kingambit, kingambit probably won't have to be banned.
Espathra could feasibly get a re-test in a tera-less and no shed tail metagame as that gives less opportunities for espathra to set up and win.
Are all these pokemon very broken without tera? Yes, but they likely wouldn't have been banned.
@@watery2211 I'm absolutly not saying these Pokémon would have been banned without tera, I'm saying I'm glad tera got them bad because they are unhealthy for the competitiveness of Pokémon. I'm actually certain that if it wasn't for tera, we would still have matchup fishing Volcarona and people arguing that 50/50 king is fair, but that wouldn't make them less toxic, restrictive and uncompetitve pokémon. Therefore I'm glad something like tera exists, to clearly show these things are not good for the game and should be banned.
As for would these things be "broken" without tera ? It really depends on what you call broken. If broken for you is something like mega-lucario that can 6-0 any team without any trouble or counterplay, then clearly no, these things would not have been broken. If broken is being banworthy, volcarona and kingambit are tecnically not broken. But if broken is being uncompetitive, unhealthy for the meta game and rewarding low-skill strategies and plays, then yeah, these two Pokémon are broken, with or without tera.
not the duck i was expecting
Iron Mugulis has been real quiet ever since tyranitar dropped to RU
They knew they had to nerf its defenses before this gen
You should make a video about moltres in gen 9 Jim
People are just gaslighting themselves into believing tera is fine, what's worse is that because of that no action against it will ever happen. Hopefully next gen gimmick will be better balanced.
People will drop this generation faster than they were to hate Gen 8 upon news of anything about it.
It's weird... Cresselia is often so praised for being OP that it'[s weird that it's weaker in other formats...
The croissant
The wikipedia Emu war page at the end
Both common Cres tera types are psychic weak, so while the counter isn't what you expect it to be, it does exist. For that reason I like Creselia's spot in the meta. It gives a legitimate reason to run Psyshock or physical psychic coverage due to it almost exclusively running calm mind sets that can handle the usual special psychic moves well enough to heal it off.
Gen 9 playbook is just
Secure one free turn
Click boosting move
Put on the funny crystal hat and take a fat shit on the supposed counter that just came in
Win
I wonder what Iron Mugulius has brewing...
Personally i like tera enhancing these pokemon, it gives previously underrated pokemon the chance to be viable and brings new innovations instead of just the usual boring crowd of viable pokemon, yes there are some broken pokemons, but there always are.
I fully understand some people's dislikes of tera though.
Completely disagree. Gen 3 had some interesting and weird sets. Gen 9, more pokemon are viable but it feels like it's more of a "can you use tera to become a better set up sweeper faster than your opponent can?" but with the added shit drawback of "Can you guess if they'll tera and if they do, what type will it be? Guess wrong you lose, guess right you play again"
@@pointynives Ok, but one thing gen 3 is missing most of the threats of modern pokemon. Tera can be used defensively easily enough. Pokemon like gen 9 cresselia are the equivalent of sableye in gen 3 ou, quagsire in gen 5 ubers, and others I can't think of off the top of my head, pokemon that have no right to be as good as they are but are anyway.
This current metagame is an arms race due to Charlie 3, who can find a new innovation to beat it, who can find a way to beat said innovation. Like I use a H-lilligant with tera water, poison jab, ice spinner, close combat (or drain punch), victory dance, chlorophyll and focus sash. It doesn't function as a win condition but instead as a counter to tera sweepers.
He has hammered the nail right on the head. Tera lowkey needs to be banned. The only ways Tera is ever used are 1. To gain additional stab damage, 2. To gain better defensive typing to set up. It’s extremely stale and made many pokemon op and banned to Ubers that should not be Ubers.
@@corymargarucci I don't understand how that's stale when there's always a new pokemon using a new tera type to an advantage, new is the opposite of stale. Maybe I just like metagame that's always changin
@@corymargarucci Tera is a okay mechanic. It just has the surprise type factor.
Therefore we should start off by allowing tera previews at the team preview stage
How about we call Espathra a ratite.
It's a family that contains flightless birds such as emus and ostriches; both are the inspiration for Espathra.
We good?
:50 That doesn't make sense. How would dark types being around BUFF ghost types?
standard Jimothycool Tera smear campaign
you can allways use lunar blassing to eliminate toxic and heal a little
I don't know why cresselia didn't get fairy type in gen 6, considering it is a pokemon based on dreams and has some references of moon on its design and even moveset. Tell me why the hell did grambull become a fairy, but not cresselia?
Cress is good. But in reality, i don't think I'd ever sweep with it. My opponent would already come up with a counter play by the time its damage was reasonable. Defensive is more reliable, poison, steel, and even electric due well.
This generation in a nutshell: This Pokemon was pretty okay, BUT TERASTALIZATION
Honestly I can’t wait to see where the post-home meta goes, it has been VERY interesting so far
Talk about the rise of molt in ou
Jimothycool doesnt like cresselia and its terastalization shenanigans because It reminds him of the emu and he hates emus because he is australian
Palmer was ahead of his time.
Still confused when i see iron mugulis
Oof. I'm legitimtely disappointed she is just a Stored Power sweeper again.
I disagree that cress lost identity now. It still can fill the exact same niche it had before, it’s just that that niche was bad. The niche as a bulky sweeper that can get out of hand if left unchecked is nothing new. It’s a niche filled by tons of Pokémon throughout the generations and something cress has always wanted to do but been bad at. Tera has only opened up more options in this case and you contradicted yourself when you said “it will just turn into a generically good type” but also talk about how it’ll turn itself into a poison type (infamously not great) to counter clodsire. I think it adds a really cool flavor to a Pokémon that has looked like it would be good since it’s inception but has always missed the mark.
Ok but my question is why is did moltres rise to OU?
it checks a lot of top offensive pokemon due to its great typing and ability
WHY DOES NO ONE USE TERA ELECTRIC?
I hate that this thing isnt fairy type. Sure it would be broken, but it makes sense
TO THE MOON TO THE MOON
If only Cresselia was a dual type Psychic/Fairy
Agreed same with darkrai being a ghost dark
@@BananaR777Ew pre-Gen 6 Darkrai with that typing? Busted
If anything, terastallization makes the game more interesting, if it was for Cresselia's identity as a pokemon before gen 9, it would've never been viable in UU, let alone OU. Even if cresselia plays a similar role to espathra, the playstyle is not the same and completely changes the team composition and synergies that only fit with having cresselia in a team. All in all, I'm surprised cresselia even found a niche in OU thanks to terastallization, while tyranitar just becomes less viable thanks to it, I don't ever want to see the mechanic being banned
I agree. I believe Tera Type reveal is the ideal solution for both sides.
Terastilization is the best thing ever to competitive Pokémon now new teams can be made and everyone isn’t using the same BS it makes you have to think much harder less about a 50/50 and more skill/ knowledge it’s actually challenging…. Idk why you think it has done the opposite ?
My favorite legendary
I'll be honest, when I first found your content, I didn't like it. Can't quite put my finger on it. But I've been coming around to it. Keep it up, Jimbo
Cresselia should have been Psychic Fairy.