+Daniel Keriazis No it doesn't. But if you insist on a more obvious example then here goes: I just finished painting my car blue and on my way out of the garage I knock a bucket of red paint all over the front of the car. Somewhat irritated, I ironically exclaim ''Fantastic!'' when I actually mean the opposite.
The context matters a lot. That could just be intended as a lie, or you might be referring to an alternative meaning of the word rich. This is the problem of irony, it is defined as an entirely subjective thing.
He explained it not in the way I would think he would only because I have not put any thought how he would; It is rather he did not meet my requirement.
All the examples were verbal irony + sarcasm. So it looks like there is no way to use verbal irony without the mean sarcastic attitude. Well, that it because all the examples were aimed at bad circumstances. Someone sad something nice, but meant something not so nice. Lets turn that around. Imagine a friend winning an Olympic gold medal and you turn to him and with a smile you say: "Nah, I've seen better." There you say a not so nice thing, but you mean the opposite. You mean something nice. No sarcasm there, verbal irony only.
+p0rt3r Cool! Wow! That's cool that you can think about it and then turn it around! I have to say, I am one of the many people who would say something like that. (:
You are exactly right, it's because they ignored another huge bubble of verbal irony that isn't sarcasm but people have probably heard of before, being facetious. Facetious is saying something that isn't true but in a manner to poke fun and joke, not mock or insult. Compare a jester to a snarker.
A: "The weather is juuuuust horrible right now..." B: "ugh, I hate that you're always so sarcastic..." A: "No, I was being facetious" B: "Actually, I was too"
I think I thought of a good one. "Break a leg" Literal interpretation being 'I wish bad luck on you', interpreted/intended meaning 'I wish you luck' So what is being said is the opposite of intent, and the intent is good. While simultaneous there is no lying involved because it is a common phrase it is a saying that is widely known as being ironic, so you can with full intention of being honest mean what you say in an ironic sense.
This video is SPOT ON and NEEDED TO BE MADE! I hear "sarcasm" and what is supposed to be "verbal irony" used interchangeably so frequently; a discussion for this issue was OVERDUE.
@@randomname285 For me, it's all in the tone of voice. Sarcasm becomes verbal irony when delivered like a normal sentence would be. Sarcasm has a certain pitch. It's difficult to distinguish when written down but can usually be inferred from the recipient's reaction.
"Break a leg" There you go, one of the few examples of something that is easily defended as non-sarcastic verbal irony that is not simply lying. You are saying the 'opposite' of what you intend (wishing someone good luck by telling them to undergo bad luck) and the intent is to be helpful, not mean.
This is the most illuminating video I have ever come across which explained the definition so utterly perfectly. Thank you so much. You made my day. I love your video to death.
Irony on the contrary occurs naturally, Whether dramatic, situational or verbal, it is usually a contrast of what’s anticipated, specifically within the context of situational and verbal irony. Why mention irony? Because sarcasm uses irony as a preceding vehicle to infer the contrasting meaning. Sarcasm and Irony are sometimes used interchangeably and out of context, but they’re mutually exclusive within the context of their meanings, the misconstruing factor is their contrastive interpretative commonality, but their distinctive characteristics are objective and subjective. An irony is a natural unanticipated occurring contrast that occurs objectively, or done purposely in an amusing way, synonymous to sarcasm. Whereas sarcasm is an indirect insinuating contrast that’s done subjectively, or passively insulting or enjoyable, although beautiful sarcasm seems creatively extinct. How the polarization occurs is what separates the two, Although I find irony to be far more profound in it’s complexity.
I feel like they're probably being a little harsh toward sarcasm. It's not always with an intent to mock. Sometimes to poke light-hearted fun at something, but mocking usually takes it a little further. If there is mockery involved, I'd be more likely to label it "bulllying" than "sarcasm."
Bullying is not a word to be tossed around lightly. It happens over an extended period of time, regularly, from one party holding power over the other party. Mockery does not have to be a regular, ongoing thing and there might be no power held over either party.
Emerald Daffana While it is true that not all bullying involves mockery, most or even all mockery crosses the line into bullying. That's what I was trying to say. Sorry if it came across the other way.
Sarcasm is always designated to mock or tease, the word to jokingly poke fun while using verbal irony is Facetious. The two concepts are both verbal irony but have two different connotations and I am irked that they only used sarcasm in this video.
If you feel that "mocking" and "bullying" are the same terms, I'd refer you to the short verse: "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt/harm me." Lost in all the "online bullying" craze is the fact that real bullying used to involve people physically beating you up because they were just mean. They may have said mean things to you as well, but a bully was usually a larger kid picking on a smaller kid either threatening them with physical violence to get them to fall in line with what the bully wanted or being beaten into submission. I guess you can make a word mean whatever you want if enough people misuse it, over time, it will be the new definition.
I sat through three minutes just for him to say "I can't be arsed making the other half of this video so you can just go off and do it yourself." How charming...
Irony and sarcasm are *NOT* synonymous DX "I think I may be going deaf" Sarcasm: "Of course you're not, what ever gave you that idea?" Irony: "What?" EDIT: And sarcasm doesn't necessarily have to be aggressive. I would think someone insane for taking "Nice weather today" in reference to the rain as aggressive.
No they're not. If anything, there's more of a difference. You could mock a park manager ironically by playing tennis with the "no ball games" sign, or an under-taker by asking him how many people he's run over with his hearse. They'd only be synonymous if you were sarcastically mocking someone ... who's ... job it was to stop people from using sarcasm?
HaniiPuppy I have no idea what you mean, sorry. I am trying to say that when you mock somone, ironically, that can still be called 'irony' or it can be specified as 'sarcasm'. When you are mocking somone with irony the two terms can surely be used synonymously. But if you are being ironic and not conveying contempt or mocking somone then it is only irony but not sarcasm. Why not? That makes perfect sense, to me.
Controversy Owl But mocking someone using irony and mocking someone using sarcasm are distinctly different. You couldn't call playing someone playing tennis with a "No ball games" sign sarcastic any more than you could call saying "Oh, yeah. This no ball games sign makes perfect sense, and you're truly a wise and all-seeing man for installing it." ironic. For it to be ironic, there has to be some form of unusual common connection between the two things (e.g. the thing you're using and what you're using it for)
HaniiPuppy *(Sorry for word wall).* You seem to be describing 'situational irony' and 'verbal irony' without indicating a distinction. There is no sarcastic situational irony. Playing someone in tennis with a 'No balls!' Sign = 'Situational irony'. Saying, 'Lovely weather we are having,' when it is terrible weather = 'Verbal irony'. Use of verbal irony to mock or convey contempt, e.g, 'Wow, you are so pretty,' when you mean they are ugly = Irony or, can be additionally described as, 'sarcasm'. Using irony to mock or ridicule people's vices, ideas, etc. in terms of modern topical or political views = Irony or, additionally described as, 'satire', could also be 'sarcasm'. Saying, 'You can't fight in the war room!' intentional with humurous effect = 'Comic irony'. An actor pretending to not know that somone is behind them, so that it creates a feeling = 'Dramatic irony'. A lecturer asking for the answer to 5 + 5, when they know the answer but want to know if the class does, or an interviewer asking the CEO of Coca Cola, 'How many packets of sugar are in a bottle?' When the know the answer but wants to mock the CEO = 'Sorcratic irony'. When a man is not sentenced to be eletrocuted in a chair but electrocution is outlawed and he's sent to jail, but then he sits on a toilet, bites into an eletric cable and gets electrocuted on the toilet seat = 'Cosmic irony'. Romeo killing himself because he finds Juliet dead, Juliet is actually asleep and wakes up to find that Romeo killed himself, so she kills herself = 'Tragic irony'. Alchemist using gunpowder to find the secret to immortality but the result, later on, is the total opposite = 'Historical irony'. Irony seems to be a genuine or pretense expectation of the truth, but the truth is the opposite and deliberate, or so contrary to expectations that it almost seems as if it was deliberate or is, and has the effect or goal of info gathering, humour, mockery, dramatic benefit, emphasising the truth, emphasising the unluckiness of a situation, etc. That's how I understand them anyhoo. Irony that is spoken by the person can either be described as irony, or if they are conveying contempt or mocking someone it's sarcasm, therefore 'irony' is always synonymous with 'sarcasm' but sarcasm is not synonymous with irony that isn't mocking or showing contempt. My opinion. The tennis ball situation is not relevant to this because it is situational irony and is never synonymous with sarcasm and vice-versa.
If I'm not mistaken verbal irony involves communicating something that unofficially means something different than what's being literally said or done (in replacement of it or in addition to it) but not necessarily the opposite and sarcasm specifically involves saying or communicating something that is the opposite of what one thinks or feels. It (sarcasm and verbal irony in general) is inherently self-contradicting (non-ironic metaphor isn't self-contradicting because in the context that someone says something that is literally untrue they're only saying one thing and not pretending otherwise). I think overt sarcasm is less ambiguous than non-overtly sarcastic irony because it has only one 'real' intended meaning, there is no official pretense that what's being said is sincere.
Verbal irony without sarcasm can be found with young children as they learn their mother tongue. In this period they can ex. say to a grown up that a paper is black, despite knowing it is white. They might do this to pratice argumentation, to get confirmation that the paper is in deed white, to practice negotiation or to annoy (because annoying grown ups you trust is really fun). It's a way for them to learn how language shapes the way we understand and communicate about the world around us.
Everything that is verbal irony but is not sarcasm,I believe it is a rhetorical statement/question,f.e. "Raining is nice,isnt it? " is a verbal irony since you are not expected to like a bad weather but its not sarcasm since you make the statement not to point or laugh at something,but to relate with the other's way of thinking
I feel like there are plenty of circumstances where someone says something that is verbally ironic and sarcastic, but it is not in a mean way or with an attitude. However it still fits the definition of both. Sarcasm in humor is a good example of this. Am I wrong…?
Verbal Irony is Positive compared to Sarcasm. The only thing. Verbal irony is softer and seemingly imperceptible or innocent and sarcasm is blunt and a little agressive in atitude. End of Explanation. Examples are in the speech of the character in the end of video.
Is it really verbal irony to call that guy a great athlete ironically because he is behind those other guys? I mean he's running just as fast as them. Notice in the few seconds they show he never closes ground or falls any further behind. Maybe he just started later.
Seeing as no one can think of an example of verbal irony that is not sarcasm or mockery, not even the person who made this video, I think verbal irony, along with dramatic irony, should become obsolete terms. And verily, the colloquial use of "irony" will prevail.
So when my ex wife said "Go play with the kids for a while"... She didn't mean "viciously kill them in the most inhuman way possible"? Gee..This video has taught me a lot! I feel great! THANKS TED!
+hytlerson Sarcasm is the use of irony but with the intent of insulting someone. An example of sarcasm is saying wow your punctuation is soooo good. You know you should be a professor English at university/college because it's just that amazing. An example of irony without being sarcastic is saying to someone did you hear about that fire truck that caught fire or my grandma got an one xbox one last weed and can't stop playing call of duty.
+clowntrooper61 cool. it makes more sense now. Hope you're right though :D else I'll just be more confused. Or, maybe the meaning of this word depends on the region. Or maybe this is same stuff like commas in English - there's no single right way - or right meaning, in the case of irony
hytlerson Alright cool. There are different types of irony and there's is a single meaning of those words. Irony is one of those words where people don't know the actual meaning and over use it.
Awe is a less joyous and more intense version of wonder, usually (not necessarily good). The opposite is not in the word but the intention for this case. Awesome job is a confusing example.
This does give an interesting insight into why Americans don't understand a brit being sarcastic. The way you change the tone of voice for sarcasm in this video is completely different to the way a brit would, which I imagine is what causes the confusion
We don't like your brit thinking anyways and you should be aware of that America protect you from Russia and terrorists. Don't talk that shit when you come from one of the worst states of Europe!
+Niskinatorn The UK is not a state, it is a United Kingdom of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and please don't be rude as there is a difference between someone from the UK using sarcasm. For example, if it is a foul day and I said "What a LOVELY day." The emphasis is put on the word you don't mean (hence the Capitals in). Hope this helps. 😀
Niskinatorn stop being nationalist about the British. There is no reason for you to talk about how great America is on a comment talking about how British sarcasm sounds different than American sarcasm.
You're talking about sarcasm. Sarcasm and irony are NOT the same thing. Its commonly mistranslated from English into some other languages as they dont have a native definition or irony. Its highly ironic this video was made and uploaded as nobody involved understands irony. You did a great job (THAT is sarcasm!)
This is a thing that is often used commonly in our language Hindi......and people are quite good at understanding the opposite meaning and enjoy it. (Sometimes feel offended) Like when someone takes a lot of time to do something, after it's done we might say ......Woaah .....you did that quite fast. Or when someone tells you something obvious we might say......Ohh! I had no idea......... And a lot more
Yeah great job guys you didn't give us one example of verbal irony without sarcasm. Wow I didn't even notice my use of "great job" until after reading other comments.
You can't tell if it's really sarcasm or not when it's only written because the attitude depends on the reader whether the sender is really being sarcastic or not.
While interpreting text is dependent on the reader, interpreting speech is dependent on the listener. A person who doesn't know what sarcasm is won't detect sarcasm in either, while a person who is more jaded will think most things are sarcastic by default. Amazingly, proper communication requires the active interaction of two beings, someone can try to be sarcastic, and someone can try to interpret sarcasm, but unless both work you won't get anywhere. but you did a _great_ job with your theory nonetheless, it was _really_ accurate. Second point, if _only_ there was _some way_ to make it so _emphasis_ was something _visible in text_.
In the video of Verbal Irony by Christopher Warner the speaker gives us a definition of verbal irony which means the opposite of the persons intention.
There seem to be a lot of questions about "Where is verbal irony without sarcasm?" Here are a few examples: When someone does something good, and someone says in a mean tone so exaggerated it's clearly a joke, "Ugh, that sucks you idiot". When someone points at a disgusting thing in a laughing tone, "Do you want to eat that?" You could also reply back in a really exaggerated excited tone, "Yeah! Of course!" Etc.
The fact that nobody I have seen has yet made an Undertale joke about that "It's a beautiful day outside, the sun is shining, the birds are chirping" is truely IRONIC.
Yes! That is irony, though a very week and irremarkable example. Firstly, one expects a certain (for many people a large) degree of error when it comes to weather prediction, the failed expectation of rain is not much of a big shock, as a part of you expected the weatherman to be wrong. Imagine we spice that up a bit. Say you expect it to rain, you wore a raincoat and umbrella to school, and it doesn't rain and you stand out. That, though essentially the same example, is more clearly ironic.
There is nasty weather going on. You are outside in the rain, you say in an annoyed voice to someone "well isn't the weather just great!" That would be sarcasm, a form of verbal irony. If you and your friends are inside of your house and would like to go out and play a game but there is a storm going on, so you jokingly state "what do you mean? The weather looks great!" Withouth being upset, just playful, you are being facetious, another form of verbal irony.
Tbh, when the sun is shining is not my favorite weather. I like it when it's either 1) The sky is grey and it's just about to rain or 2) When it is raining and it's coming down hard
Wow! The example they gave of verbal irony without sarcasm was really good! :)
Ex. If I have no money I may say, ironically: "I am truly the richest man in the world!" No sarcasm
+Daniel Keriazis No it doesn't. But if you insist on a more obvious example then here goes: I just finished painting my car blue and on my way out of the garage I knock a bucket of red paint all over the front of the car. Somewhat irritated, I ironically exclaim ''Fantastic!'' when I actually mean the opposite.
+Marcos Ben ikr it upset me too
I see what you did there.
The context matters a lot. That could just be intended as a lie, or you might be referring to an alternative meaning of the word rich.
This is the problem of irony, it is defined as an entirely subjective thing.
The only thing I wanted out of this video was an example of verbal irony without the sarcasm.
And no, I'm not going to be sarcastic now.
If I'm broke I can ironically say "I am truly the richest man in the world" without being sarcastic
nomoiman Isn't it just plain wrong? Just saying things that are opposite of the truth without being snarky is irony?
+Chilledfish so it seems, yes
+nomoiman I've asked 2 questions, so which one did you answer?
The latter
It really helps that you say not all verbal irony is sarcastic and proceed not to give any examples.
Natan Sandle lmfao
This same reason pointed me towards the downwards like button.
He explained it ;) Just not in the way you think he would, ironic huh?
He explained it not in the way I would think he would only because I have not put any thought how he would; It is rather he did not meet my requirement.
Mathmods
I don't see how an explanation can be an example
my step dad uses sarcasm 24/7. if the world depended him being serious of one moment, we'd all be dead.
Same
Everything would be harsh and ironic, without being sarcasm
All the examples were verbal irony + sarcasm. So it looks like there is no way to use verbal irony without the mean sarcastic attitude. Well, that it because all the examples were aimed at bad circumstances. Someone sad something nice, but meant something not so nice. Lets turn that around.
Imagine a friend winning an Olympic gold medal and you turn to him and with a smile you say: "Nah, I've seen better." There you say a not so nice thing, but you mean the opposite. You mean something nice. No sarcasm there, verbal irony only.
+p0rt3r Cool! Wow! That's cool that you can think about it and then turn it around! I have to say, I am one of the many people who would say something like that. (:
+Black Happy Dragon Not according to the video. I think, in that case it might depend on how you say it, though.
+p0rt3r nah,I've seen better explanations.
You are exactly right, it's because they ignored another huge bubble of verbal irony that isn't sarcasm but people have probably heard of before, being facetious. Facetious is saying something that isn't true but in a manner to poke fun and joke, not mock or insult. Compare a jester to a snarker.
A: "The weather is juuuuust horrible right now..."
B: "ugh, I hate that you're always so sarcastic..."
A: "No, I was being facetious"
B: "Actually, I was too"
Who else came here from their English language arts teacher?
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When you had a bad day and someone asks, "How's your day been?" and you respond, "It's been good." That's verbal irony.
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That's not verbal irony, you are attempting to express to a person that your day was good when it wasn't. That is referred to as lying.
+Sean Peery Perhaps you could show me an example of verbal irony without it being a lie? If not then your opinion doesn't mean a damn thing
I think I thought of a good one.
"Break a leg"
Literal interpretation being 'I wish bad luck on you', interpreted/intended meaning 'I wish you luck'
So what is being said is the opposite of intent, and the intent is good. While simultaneous there is no lying involved because it is a common phrase it is a saying that is widely known as being ironic, so you can with full intention of being honest mean what you say in an ironic sense.
+Sean Peery
Well I'm not saying that you're right (because truthfully I don't know) but I'm thinking you're less wrong than me. You win this round.
POV: You're in online school and your English teacher sent you the link to here.
Yep
Very very true
incorrect. i like this video
@@issytws how did you know
Correct
This video was REALLY helpful.
+Charles Preston Was this verbal irony? :P
To verbal irony, or not verbal irony, that is the question.
Pretty sure it's sarcasm
+Franz Tibunsay He's trying to be sarcastic.
I was JUST about to say this.
100% clear and best video on verbal irony on youtube.
my eng teacher gave us this video but all she did was teach me how to be meaner. thank u ted-ed for inspiring my bullying career
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This video is SPOT ON and NEEDED TO BE MADE! I hear "sarcasm" and what is supposed to be "verbal irony" used interchangeably so frequently; a discussion for this issue was OVERDUE.
They jumped around an example of verbal irony without sarcasm. Why leave the lesson incomplete?
Because there are none. They're mutually inclusive
The example was "nice weather we're having". It was on the chalkboard at 2:46
@@nedmurry that is sarcastic though
@@randomname285 For me, it's all in the tone of voice. Sarcasm becomes verbal irony when delivered like a normal sentence would be. Sarcasm has a certain pitch.
It's difficult to distinguish when written down but can usually be inferred from the recipient's reaction.
"Break a leg"
There you go, one of the few examples of something that is easily defended as non-sarcastic verbal irony that is not simply lying.
You are saying the 'opposite' of what you intend (wishing someone good luck by telling them to undergo bad luck) and the intent is to be helpful, not mean.
This is the most illuminating video I have ever come across which explained the definition so utterly perfectly. Thank you so much. You made my day. I love your video to death.
At the end when it says "no verbal irony here" that's verbal irony.
Irony on the contrary occurs naturally, Whether dramatic, situational or verbal, it is usually a contrast of what’s anticipated, specifically within the context of situational and verbal irony. Why mention irony? Because sarcasm uses irony as a preceding vehicle to infer the contrasting meaning.
Sarcasm and Irony are sometimes used interchangeably and out of context, but they’re mutually exclusive within the context of their meanings, the misconstruing factor is their contrastive interpretative commonality, but their distinctive characteristics are objective and subjective. An irony is a natural unanticipated occurring contrast that occurs objectively, or done purposely in an amusing way, synonymous to sarcasm.
Whereas sarcasm is an indirect insinuating contrast that’s done subjectively, or passively insulting or enjoyable, although beautiful sarcasm seems creatively extinct. How the polarization occurs is what separates the two, Although I find irony to be far more profound in it’s complexity.
For someone who acts like they know a lot about the English language, you have many grammatical issues.
You don't know how thankful I feel; you're so creative saying kind words!
I feel like they're probably being a little harsh toward sarcasm. It's not always with an intent to mock. Sometimes to poke light-hearted fun at something, but mocking usually takes it a little further. If there is mockery involved, I'd be more likely to label it "bulllying" than "sarcasm."
+Katherine S true...... i agree!
Bullying is not a word to be tossed around lightly. It happens over an extended period of time, regularly, from one party holding power over the other party. Mockery does not have to be a regular, ongoing thing and there might be no power held over either party.
Emerald Daffana While it is true that not all bullying involves mockery, most or even all mockery crosses the line into bullying. That's what I was trying to say. Sorry if it came across the other way.
Sarcasm is always designated to mock or tease, the word to jokingly poke fun while using verbal irony is Facetious. The two concepts are both verbal irony but have two different connotations and I am irked that they only used sarcasm in this video.
If you feel that "mocking" and "bullying" are the same terms, I'd refer you to the short verse: "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt/harm me." Lost in all the "online bullying" craze is the fact that real bullying used to involve people physically beating you up because they were just mean. They may have said mean things to you as well, but a bully was usually a larger kid picking on a smaller kid either threatening them with physical violence to get them to fall in line with what the bully wanted or being beaten into submission. I guess you can make a word mean whatever you want if enough people misuse it, over time, it will be the new definition.
Great animation, I love the way you narrate.
I love to use verbal irony and being sarcastic. Isn't it lovely?
Ellaine Ece Aydın I just gagged on my water xD
The Optimist ur name makes it even better
Ellaine Ece Aydın who's in your prof pic ?
definitely
Infinite's Sunggyu :)
I sat through three minutes just for him to say "I can't be arsed making the other half of this video so you can just go off and do it yourself." How charming...
I think what we get from this is that good natured sarcasm is verbal irony. It would be nice if they gave an example of it.
You should make a video on every word in the dictionnary. That would be great since we all are stupid. Awesome job!
Irony and sarcasm are *NOT* synonymous DX
"I think I may be going deaf"
Sarcasm: "Of course you're not, what ever gave you that idea?"
Irony: "What?"
EDIT: And sarcasm doesn't necessarily have to be aggressive. I would think someone insane for taking "Nice weather today" in reference to the rain as aggressive.
They are synonymous if you are conveying contempt or mocking somone.
No they're not. If anything, there's more of a difference. You could mock a park manager ironically by playing tennis with the "no ball games" sign, or an under-taker by asking him how many people he's run over with his hearse. They'd only be synonymous if you were sarcastically mocking someone ... who's ... job it was to stop people from using sarcasm?
HaniiPuppy I have no idea what you mean, sorry.
I am trying to say that when you mock somone, ironically, that can still be called 'irony' or it can be specified as 'sarcasm'. When you are mocking somone with irony the two terms can surely be used synonymously.
But if you are being ironic and not conveying contempt or mocking somone then it is only irony but not sarcasm.
Why not? That makes perfect sense, to me.
Controversy Owl But mocking someone using irony and mocking someone using sarcasm are distinctly different. You couldn't call playing someone playing tennis with a "No ball games" sign sarcastic any more than you could call saying "Oh, yeah. This no ball games sign makes perfect sense, and you're truly a wise and all-seeing man for installing it." ironic.
For it to be ironic, there has to be some form of unusual common connection between the two things (e.g. the thing you're using and what you're using it for)
HaniiPuppy *(Sorry for word wall).*
You seem to be describing 'situational irony' and 'verbal irony' without indicating a distinction. There is no sarcastic situational irony.
Playing someone in tennis with a 'No balls!' Sign = 'Situational irony'.
Saying, 'Lovely weather we are having,' when it is terrible weather = 'Verbal irony'.
Use of verbal irony to mock or convey contempt, e.g, 'Wow, you are so pretty,' when you mean they are ugly = Irony or, can be additionally described as, 'sarcasm'.
Using irony to mock or ridicule people's vices, ideas, etc. in terms of modern topical or political views = Irony or, additionally described as, 'satire', could also be 'sarcasm'.
Saying, 'You can't fight in the war room!' intentional with humurous effect = 'Comic irony'.
An actor pretending to not know that somone is behind them, so that it creates a feeling = 'Dramatic irony'.
A lecturer asking for the answer to 5 + 5, when they know the answer but want to know if the class does, or an interviewer asking the CEO of Coca Cola, 'How many packets of sugar are in a bottle?' When the know the answer but wants to mock the CEO = 'Sorcratic irony'.
When a man is not sentenced to be eletrocuted in a chair but electrocution is outlawed and he's sent to jail, but then he sits on a toilet, bites into an eletric cable and gets electrocuted on the toilet seat = 'Cosmic irony'.
Romeo killing himself because he finds Juliet dead, Juliet is actually asleep and wakes up to find that Romeo killed himself, so she kills herself = 'Tragic irony'.
Alchemist using gunpowder to find the secret to immortality but the result, later on, is the total opposite = 'Historical irony'.
Irony seems to be a genuine or pretense expectation of the truth, but the truth is the opposite and deliberate, or so contrary to expectations that it almost seems as if it was deliberate or is, and has the effect or goal of info gathering, humour, mockery, dramatic benefit, emphasising the truth, emphasising the unluckiness of a situation, etc.
That's how I understand them anyhoo. Irony that is spoken by the person can either be described as irony, or if they are conveying contempt or mocking someone it's sarcasm, therefore 'irony' is always synonymous with 'sarcasm' but sarcasm is not synonymous with irony that isn't mocking or showing contempt. My opinion.
The tennis ball situation is not relevant to this because it is situational irony and is never synonymous with sarcasm and vice-versa.
If I'm not mistaken verbal irony involves communicating something that unofficially means something different than what's being literally said or done (in replacement of it or in addition to it) but not necessarily the opposite and sarcasm specifically involves saying or communicating something that is the opposite of what one thinks or feels. It (sarcasm and verbal irony in general) is inherently self-contradicting (non-ironic metaphor isn't self-contradicting because in the context that someone says something that is literally untrue they're only saying one thing and not pretending otherwise).
I think overt sarcasm is less ambiguous than non-overtly sarcastic irony because it has only one 'real' intended meaning, there is no official pretense that what's being said is sincere.
This taught me stuff that I never would have known
i wonder do all cultures have their own version of irony? is it something that transcends different languages
Verbal irony without sarcasm can be found with young children as they learn their mother tongue. In this period they can ex. say to a grown up that a paper is black, despite knowing it is white. They might do this to pratice argumentation, to get confirmation that the paper is in deed white, to practice negotiation or to annoy (because annoying grown ups you trust is really fun). It's a way for them to learn how language shapes the way we understand and communicate about the world around us.
"GREAT! WEATHER we're HAVIIIIING!"
As a teacher teaching the English language, I find this video very interesting!
the ted intro cartoon guy looks so depressed
true
knowlege of time and space can do that to you especially to Ted.
Yeah, I TOTALLY agree with you there.
Everyone is so sarcastic in this comment section I can't tell if you are being 😂😂😂
Everything that is verbal irony but is not sarcasm,I believe it is a rhetorical statement/question,f.e. "Raining is nice,isnt it? " is a verbal irony since you are not expected to like a bad weather but its not sarcasm since you make the statement not to point or laugh at something,but to relate with the other's way of thinking
This channel is great! Not really i was just being sarcastic. (That last line was irony)
+Sm00th TV You were? Huh, I didn't notice.
His voice is so calming
I feel like there are plenty of circumstances where someone says something that is verbally ironic and sarcastic, but it is not in a mean way or with an attitude. However it still fits the definition of both. Sarcasm in humor is a good example of this. Am I wrong…?
Can't decide if calling this presenter a good teacher is irony or sarcasm.
It's onlt irony if you say it without attitude. If you say it with attitude, it's irony and sarcasm.
After 9 years in 2022 we are learning from you just 🌟🔥
Verbal Irony is Positive compared to Sarcasm. The only thing. Verbal irony is softer and seemingly imperceptible or innocent and sarcasm is blunt and a little agressive in atitude. End of Explanation. Examples are in the speech of the character in the end of video.
Extremely clear explanation.
This video should have started at 2:35
sdmitch16 that would not make sense literally.
This video is incredibly informative! Who knew any of this??? WOW!
Someone needs to show this video to Sheldon Cooper!
Your presentation is AWESOME.
Gee! I *NEVER* knew about this before!
Your examples were REALLY great !
Is it really verbal irony to call that guy a great athlete ironically because he is behind those other guys? I mean he's running just as fast as them. Notice in the few seconds they show he never closes ground or falls any further behind. Maybe he just started later.
Never gave an example of verbal irony without sarcasm
Yay! Opposite day!
I found this REALLY intersting and NOT boring at ALL.
I liked your comment.
Great! THANKS a Lot!
When the nuclear apocalypse arrives and you have no supplies or bunker.
Dis is fine. ;-;
Everyone: got this link from online class
Me: genuinely wants to know what irony is
Someone should show this to Sheldon Cooper
Yayyyyy so happy I came across these videos. They make learning so easy!!!!!
This was SO informative!
heh.
Seeing as no one can think of an example of verbal irony that is not sarcasm or mockery, not even the person who made this video, I think verbal irony, along with dramatic irony, should become obsolete terms. And verily, the colloquial use of "irony" will prevail.
I only see sarcasm, no irony
But the irony has the sarcasm. Everything that is sarcastic is irony.
So when my ex wife said "Go play with the kids for a while"... She didn't mean "viciously kill them in the most inhuman way possible"?
Gee..This video has taught me a lot!
I feel great!
THANKS TED!
ok then wtf is sarcasm?
I'll probably die not knowing what irony is
+hytlerson isnt sarcasm what this vids about and irony is if a boy says "i hate people who get bad grades" but gets bad grades themselves?
+hytlerson Sarcasm is the use of irony but with the intent of insulting someone. An example of sarcasm is saying wow your punctuation is soooo good. You know you should be a professor English at university/college because it's just that amazing. An example of irony without being sarcastic is saying to someone did you hear about that fire truck that caught fire or my grandma got an one xbox one last weed and can't stop playing call of duty.
+Sabrinaaa Isn't that hypocritical?
+clowntrooper61 cool. it makes more sense now. Hope you're right though :D else I'll just be more confused. Or, maybe the meaning of this word depends on the region. Or maybe this is same stuff like commas in English - there's no single right way - or right meaning, in the case of irony
hytlerson Alright cool. There are different types of irony and there's is a single meaning of those words. Irony is one of those words where people don't know the actual meaning and over use it.
good to see there is still work out there for the narrator from the zeitgeist trilogy
this video is made for a sheldon.
This is great for non-native English speakers, thank you!
ummm its really good
What real irony is? Being late to receive your award for always being in time
The comment section is filled with sarcastic douches and verbally ironic sentences. Just what I expected.
One would be having a hard time distinguishing verbal irony with sarcasm,unless they watched this
Ty ELA teachers for giving us this great video. I'm so excited to learn about this.
Awe is a less joyous and more intense version of wonder, usually (not necessarily good).
The opposite is not in the word but the intention for this case.
Awesome job is a confusing example.
Standing with a group of friends in the rain and jokingly saying "great weather we're having, amirite?" without a mocking tone.
It's still sarcasm, such as sarcasm can be with mean or fun intent.
That would be facetious, not sarcastic.
Derek360
I never knew this. Thank you for the enlightenment.
What is the difference in this case?
One example of verbal irony without sarcasm is when Iago in Othello describes himself as “an honest man.”
This does give an interesting insight into why Americans don't understand a brit being sarcastic. The way you change the tone of voice for sarcasm in this video is completely different to the way a brit would, which I imagine is what causes the confusion
We don't like your brit thinking anyways and you should be aware of that America protect you from Russia and terrorists. Don't talk that shit when you come from one of the worst states of Europe!
+Niskinatorn The UK is not a state, it is a United Kingdom of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and please don't be rude as there is a difference between someone from the UK using sarcasm. For example, if it is a foul day and I said "What a LOVELY day." The emphasis is put on the word you don't mean (hence the Capitals in). Hope this helps. 😀
Gareth Jones Yeah just like in that latest Mad Max film "What a LOVLEY DAY to die!!!"
+Niskinatorn Very good, keep practicing and one day you will could be a master of sarcasm.
Niskinatorn stop being nationalist about the British. There is no reason for you to talk about how great America is on a comment talking about how British sarcasm sounds different than American sarcasm.
80% of the comments use verbal irony+sarcasm here! an effective way to exercise what we learnt
this guys sarcastic voice is FABULOUS
That smirk at the end to have us guessing tho 😂
You're talking about sarcasm.
Sarcasm and irony are NOT the same thing. Its commonly mistranslated from English into some other languages as they dont have a native definition or irony.
Its highly ironic this video was made and uploaded as nobody involved understands irony.
You did a great job (THAT is sarcasm!)
This was SO interesting. I SWEAR there is NO verbal irony or sarcasm in this statement.
This is a thing that is often used commonly in our language Hindi......and people are quite good at understanding the opposite meaning and enjoy it. (Sometimes feel offended)
Like when someone takes a lot of time to do something, after it's done we might say ......Woaah .....you did that quite fast.
Or when someone tells you something obvious we might say......Ohh! I had no idea......... And a lot more
the purpose can usually be conveyed by the stressed word(s) and syllable(s) in a sentence
PLEASE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS! My favourite things on the internet :')
i love the animation style
Yeah great job guys you didn't give us one example of verbal irony without sarcasm. Wow I didn't even notice my use of "great job" until after reading other comments.
HOW DID HE KNOW I HAD EXAMS TOMORROW?????
I see a photo of a beautiful sunny beach with free beer and food. I say, "I sure wouldn't want to be there!".....verbal irony.
A lecture on irony and sarcasm? Are you kidding? TH-camrs invented it.
I am constantly being assigned these for classes
"The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention." Now that. IS. Irony.
You can't tell if it's really sarcasm or not when it's only written because the attitude depends on the reader whether the sender is really being sarcastic or not.
+Paradox Sarcasm Are you sure?
While interpreting text is dependent on the reader, interpreting speech is dependent on the listener. A person who doesn't know what sarcasm is won't detect sarcasm in either, while a person who is more jaded will think most things are sarcastic by default. Amazingly, proper communication requires the active interaction of two beings, someone can try to be sarcastic, and someone can try to interpret sarcasm, but unless both work you won't get anywhere. but you did a _great_ job with your theory nonetheless, it was _really_ accurate.
Second point, if _only_ there was _some way_ to make it so _emphasis_ was something _visible in text_.
This video was AWSOME!
Clear definitions and examples!
In the video of Verbal Irony by Christopher Warner the speaker gives us a definition of verbal irony which means the opposite of the persons intention.
That ending was AWESOME!
There was. "It's lovely weather isn't it" was written large accross the screen.
There seem to be a lot of questions about "Where is verbal irony without sarcasm?"
Here are a few examples:
When someone does something good, and someone says in a mean tone so exaggerated it's clearly a joke, "Ugh, that sucks you idiot".
When someone points at a disgusting thing in a laughing tone, "Do you want to eat that?"
You could also reply back in a really exaggerated excited tone, "Yeah! Of course!"
Etc.
I would label the last line as sarcasm...
I am not even joking I literally fell asleep while watching this. Lol
Example of irony :when we break cup and our mom say verry good my child we have kept cups here to break
😂😂 😂
The fact that nobody I have seen has yet made an Undertale joke about that "It's a beautiful day outside, the sun is shining, the birds are chirping" is truely IRONIC.
Yep, since you expect it and it didn't happen that would be irony.
Yes! That is irony, though a very week and irremarkable example. Firstly, one expects a certain (for many people a large) degree of error when it comes to weather prediction, the failed expectation of rain is not much of a big shock, as a part of you expected the weatherman to be wrong. Imagine we spice that up a bit. Say you expect it to rain, you wore a raincoat and umbrella to school, and it doesn't rain and you stand out. That, though essentially the same example, is more clearly ironic.
Thunderstorm+"We have nice weather today!"=Verbal Irony
Thunderstorm+"Ugh, jeez the weather is great!"=Sarcasm
Is this right?
There is nasty weather going on. You are outside in the rain, you say in an annoyed voice to someone "well isn't the weather just great!" That would be sarcasm, a form of verbal irony. If you and your friends are inside of your house and would like to go out and play a game but there is a storm going on, so you jokingly state "what do you mean? The weather looks great!" Withouth being upset, just playful, you are being facetious, another form of verbal irony.
Tbh, when the sun is shining is not my favorite weather. I like it when it's either 1) The sky is grey and it's just about to rain or 2) When it is raining and it's coming down hard
Haha, I liked the bit at the end. :)
I love using verbal irony and on occasion with a little bit of sarcasm.