I think it CAN be great in comedies, but it's overused. It's an easy device for filmmakers to use so when they get lazy they rely on it too much. It's the same with romance novels/movies. Conflicts caused by misunderstandings feel cheap and cliché. People joke about how many movies would be over in five minutes if the character yelling "wait, it's not what it looks like!" instead just explained what actually happened.
you know the people that they put up there arent the narrators your teacher wrote that my teacher told me that she didn't voice her ted ed video she wrote it and it had her name on there Her's was about mamals
Thank you so much for clearing irony up for me! I had no clue what irony meant to me and I have milestones that I am studying for as well and tomorrow is English portion. But because of you I now know all of those irony situations and you may have saved me from getting questions wrong. We will just have to see how I do in my English! Again, thank you. Now I am going to tell my mom because she didn't know either. :)
If the guy opens the door where we all know is where the villain is, and appears with a gun to the surprise of the villain and shoots him, will that be dramatic irony irony or just irony?
And he didn't know he was there? Neither. Pure luck. If you know that he WILL do that and the villain doesn't, that would be dramatic irony. If it does know, but neither we or the VILLAN know, that's irony.
+Sujeet Pillai Hahaha, awesome. And what if the villain knows he knows he's there, and wears a bulletproof vest, rendering his shots ineffective? Would that be dramatic irony irony irony, or just irony? Actually, I think with your twist you added, that it would become situational irony at that point. It was something the audience (and villain) didn't expect. ^_^
+Sujeet Pillai it would be dramatic irony, and by the way there is no just irony. There are the three types of irony which is verbal irony, situational irony and dramatic irony.
Dramatic irony is when you as an audience member know something a character doesn't about them or their world. Suspense is when you are uncertain or anxious about the outcome. They're not the same thing but play well off one another and are commonly paired. When you think something is going to happen and it doesn't, or something unexpected happens instead, that is a plot twist and/or you have been tricked by a narrative red herring.
I've seen dramatic irony in the movie candyman we all knew he was behind the mirror but the main character didn't and he jumped out of the mirror and tried to hurt her
Yeah, I feel like it may be an overused technique nowadays, or at least in the ways people tend to use it. Too many times I just find myself annoyed at the tension and just end up hoping it's resolved so we can get on with something useful in the story.
Would you agree that there is a sort of "secondary" or "indirect" irony when one knows the story and watches the play or reads the book a second time? Many people prefer this as the initial tension is absent but another type of tension arises and you may notice parts of the story you hadnt before
I've got one question I'd like to discuss with you, the audience - If verbal irony is when you say something one and do/mean something else, isn't that cynicism? If not, what is the difference between those two terms? Thanks in advance.
+ABCDinora12 No, that's not what cynicism is at all. Cynicism is a belief that people are motivated by self-interest alone. There is no overlap with saying or doing things opposite of that belief. In fact, most cynics tend to be very honest and up front about their cynicism. Cynics can use irony just like anyone else, but it is not a defining quality of the term. You may be thinking of sarcasm; however, there is an important difference. Sarcasm is more of a sub-category of verbal irony, but it is used solely for the purpose of insulting or hurting feelings. So, looking outside at the rain and saying, "What a lovely day for a picnic," is verbal irony. Telling someone who said something stupid or demonstrated ignorance "Way to go, Einstein," is sarcasm.
What is the difference between dramatic irony and suspense? And how do you call the effect when we think that something is going to happen, but then, it doesn't happen at all?
+Amy Tong No, one character can have a full understanding of a situation. The irony is created when any one character is unaware of something the audience is privy to. For example, in the cliche example of the misconstrued relationship. Bob knows that Sally is his cousin, but his wife's friend, Jane thinks he's cheating. So, that builds up dramatic irony when the plot, or subplot, focuses around Jane's efforts to prove that Bob is a cheater when we the audience maybe had an earlier scene where Sally was introduced as a cousin.
An interesting example of dramatic irony in Jane Eyre is the wedding scene. What makes it dramatic irony? Well, in most Victorian-era novels the wedding scene was the end, but Jane Eyre still has a third of the book left. The audience knows something has to happen.
there are dramatic ironies where the tension is never lfited, for example in harry potter we know his mother was pregnant for the second time when she was murdered but harry never finds out (only dumbledore, sirius, mcgonagal and lupin know - i suspect some other characters may know but that's not specified)
dramatic irony doesn't feel like irony. I've never watched someone walking around a haunted house and thought "how ironic". I thought "how suspenseful/spooky/tense". I think we should all just agree that the meaning of irony has evolved in our society and accept its new usage. It's not like word meanings changing is something new. For example, the word awful came to mean the opposite of what it originally meant. All in favor, say I.
+AppeasingPoet, Dramatic irony is spoken about mostly by literature teachers as a means to discuss an author's purpose and intention, especially in plays (a.k.a.: drama). As such, your point about the definition of "irony" is not 100% accurate, as the word has not evolved in an academic setting. As for in "real life," perhaps you don't use the word, but that doesn't mean that the situation is not ironic, specifically dramatic, it simply means you are describing it in a different way.
Is this irony? Despite working a lot of wedding receptions and knowing about them, my boss never has and never _will_ have a wedding reception for herself. Basically she has so much knowledge and experience on something she ain't ever gonna have (understandably)
Dramatic irony only works when the audience DOES know something. For example, for someone like my friend with the social awareness of Sheldon Cooper, a lot of the humor on The Big Bang Theory doesn't really do much.
You know in Mulan when Shang sings, "Did they send me daughters when I asked for sons?" DAMN that's intense.
+slut4berniesanders I know! I spent the whole movie in fear of them noticing the boobs!
Perfect example!
That song is call make a man.
:0
Wow. Wait until you realize that Lion King is just Hamlet with Lions.
I love it in horror context... I absolutely wail in frustration in comedies.
It's the opposite for me!
Navnik BHSilver exactly the sam
I think it CAN be great in comedies, but it's overused. It's an easy device for filmmakers to use so when they get lazy they rely on it too much. It's the same with romance novels/movies. Conflicts caused by misunderstandings feel cheap and cliché. People joke about how many movies would be over in five minutes if the character yelling "wait, it's not what it looks like!" instead just explained what actually happened.
@@Erika-313 yah whenever i rewatch modern family or shows like that i skip those episodes
me too
I can explain dramatic irony in just 5 words:
*We know, but they don’t*
I love this channel. Tells me things I already know, but help me pinpoint what it is that makes it work. Brilliant and keep it up.
Yo-yos realize it’s the Ted talk show channel but for kids learning?
That "the audience wants... no, NEEDS" bit cracks me up...
anyone eles in online school? and has to watch this video?
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Luh
Me
@@miakiomochi7367 now i do lol
Mr. Warner is my teacher (the guy narrating).
Same! He's my teacher too!
What class are you in?
dudeihatethis1990 where/when did he teach you?
you know the people that they put up there arent the narrators your teacher wrote that my teacher told me that she didn't voice her ted ed video she wrote it and it had her name on there Her's was about mamals
@@keeganh.6336 The credits say lesson and narration by Christopher Warner though..
Thank you so much for clearing irony up for me! I had no clue what irony meant to me and I have milestones that I am studying for as well and tomorrow is English portion. But because of you I now know all of those irony situations and you may have saved me from getting questions wrong. We will just have to see how I do in my English! Again, thank you. Now I am going to tell my mom because she didn't know either. :)
1:10 the light creates a shadow of itself?
Bruh its a lantern
@@owenboshington what?
If the guy opens the door where we all know is where the villain is, and appears with a gun to the surprise of the villain and shoots him,
will that be dramatic irony irony or just irony?
And he didn't know he was there? Neither. Pure luck.
If you know that he WILL do that and the villain doesn't, that would be dramatic irony.
If it does know, but neither we or the VILLAN know, that's irony.
+Sujeet Pillai Hahaha, awesome. And what if the villain knows he knows he's there, and wears a bulletproof vest, rendering his shots ineffective? Would that be dramatic irony irony irony, or just irony?
Actually, I think with your twist you added, that it would become situational irony at that point. It was something the audience (and villain) didn't expect. ^_^
+Sujeet Pillai it would be dramatic irony, and by the way there is no just irony. There are the three types of irony which is verbal irony, situational irony and dramatic irony.
he mentioned it before. It's situational irony. You expect the villain to kill the character but instead, the opposite occurs.
@@dudebrogaming8886 *neither we nor
MANN.. I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!!
dramatic irony can be good, but there is such thing as too much, like in Once Upon a Time
Oh
⤴oh?
What do you mean? What storylines from Once Upon A Time overuse dramatic irony?
IKR, I was dying the whole show because there was always some type of misunderstanding or incident, and nobody knew what was going on.
3 videos about irony. I am clapping Ted ed!
Dramatic irony is when you as an audience member know something a character doesn't about them or their world. Suspense is when you are uncertain or anxious about the outcome. They're not the same thing but play well off one another and are commonly paired.
When you think something is going to happen and it doesn't, or something unexpected happens instead, that is a plot twist and/or you have been tricked by a narrative red herring.
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AMAZINGLY MADE!!! this is so helpful for studying for my test I learned more from this than 2 weeks of school
"You know it'll happen, but you don't know when." I'll keep that one in mind.
THE SHOW POWER HAS ALOT OF DRAMATIC IRONY 😳 FINALLY A WORD FOR THIS OBSERVATION #SHOOK
Wow that man died in 1:00
great as an intro lesson on irony ~ there are three videos
1:51 That guy's OBVIOUSLY being nosy and listening to their conversation.
+PineApple Head xD
Ok that was just too bad at the end to BE a pun.
great educators and animators
Fantastic! Thanks! My students love these videos!
thx for the help , i have a mid term tomorrow and this helped me a lot
Unfortunately I'm still stuck on the sole lantern projecting a full shadow of itself, but still interesting
I watched all of the 3 videos about the 3 types of irony. The videos are good
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I've seen dramatic irony in the movie candyman we all knew he was behind the mirror but the main character didn't and he jumped out of the mirror and tried to hurt her
Yeah, I feel like it may be an overused technique nowadays, or at least in the ways people tend to use it. Too many times I just find myself annoyed at the tension and just end up hoping it's resolved so we can get on with something useful in the story.
Would you agree that there is a sort of "secondary" or "indirect" irony when one knows the story and watches the play or reads the book a second time?
Many people prefer this as the initial tension is absent but another type of tension arises and you may notice parts of the story you hadnt before
I LOVE this explanations!
This was great for my schoolwork!
Really good explained!
I've got one question I'd like to discuss with you, the audience -
If verbal irony is when you say something one and do/mean something else, isn't that cynicism?
If not, what is the difference between those two terms?
Thanks in advance.
+ABCDinora12 No, that's not what cynicism is at all. Cynicism is a belief that people are motivated by self-interest alone. There is no overlap with saying or doing things opposite of that belief. In fact, most cynics tend to be very honest and up front about their cynicism. Cynics can use irony just like anyone else, but it is not a defining quality of the term.
You may be thinking of sarcasm; however, there is an important difference. Sarcasm is more of a sub-category of verbal irony, but it is used solely for the purpose of insulting or hurting feelings. So, looking outside at the rain and saying, "What a lovely day for a picnic," is verbal irony. Telling someone who said something stupid or demonstrated ignorance "Way to go, Einstein," is sarcasm.
when you feel like you are in on a secret,
that is dramatic irony,
a hallmark of all the great writers,
from Shakespeare to Hitchcock.
I really wanna thank you so so so much! These videos are very helpful. :)
Teacher: look at these vids me I’ve watching 24 of them
What is the difference between dramatic irony and suspense? And how do you call the effect when we think that something is going to happen, but then, it doesn't happen at all?
Anyone else get this for their english class
yes Mrs. Hippert
yup I'm doing Romeo and Juliet
Bro you explain so good thank you
Thank you so much
I thought this would be another video that makes me facepalm.
How ironic.
You have used the word “ironic” correctly
The moment that I saw the title I thought that mr krabs keeping the secret formulae a secret That is dramatic irony
in dramatic irony, does the misunderstanding have to be both ways?
+Amy Tong
No, one character can have a full understanding of a situation. The irony is created when any one character is unaware of something the audience is privy to. For example, in the cliche example of the misconstrued relationship. Bob knows that Sally is his cousin, but his wife's friend, Jane thinks he's cheating. So, that builds up dramatic irony when the plot, or subplot, focuses around Jane's efforts to prove that Bob is a cheater when we the audience maybe had an earlier scene where Sally was introduced as a cousin.
An interesting example of dramatic irony in Jane Eyre is the wedding scene. What makes it dramatic irony? Well, in most Victorian-era novels the wedding scene was the end, but Jane Eyre still has a third of the book left. The audience knows something has to happen.
why is it that around 1:18 the lamp he is holding as casting a shadow of itself on the wall?
I kinda want to become a teacher so I have an excuse to watch ted ed all day
I truly agree! :D You couldn't have said it better.
there are dramatic ironies where the tension is never lfited, for example in harry potter we know his mother was pregnant for the second time when she was murdered but harry never finds out (only dumbledore, sirius, mcgonagal and lupin know - i suspect some other characters may know but that's not specified)
She was? I never heard of that
Lovely video.
You know when the bad guy jumped out of the closet, I was shook.
Great. Watching this in bed at nighttime IS AWESOME (verbal irony, by the way)
omg u teach better than the teacher THANKS SO MUCH !!
+Vivian Chen You know what's funny? He's my teacher XD
thank you this helped me with my English homework
This might be useful in introducting dramatic irony when studying a work such as "Oedipus."
That moment when the killer is behind the guy.and you are like GTFO are you LISTENING to me GTFO
This is how GOT works.
And also how the epics of Homer work.
And also how modern superhero-action movies sometimes work.
It's everywhere.
Anyone see that painting move? 1:13
That happen to me everytime!
the villain that jumped out actually scared me... :(
homie overhears their conversation about a surprise party and immediately assumes they're gonna smash his face in a cake? Is he ok?
Nope
This is great
Yeah, the two best TH-cam-related decisions I ever made were subscibing to TED, and to Smarter Every Day. Some of that crap has changed my life...
dramatic irony doesn't feel like irony. I've never watched someone walking around a haunted house and thought "how ironic". I thought "how suspenseful/spooky/tense". I think we should all just agree that the meaning of irony has evolved in our society and accept its new usage. It's not like word meanings changing is something new. For example, the word awful came to mean the opposite of what it originally meant. All in favor, say I.
+AppeasingPoet i know right
+AppeasingPoet "I"
+AppeasingPoet, Dramatic irony is spoken about mostly by literature teachers as a means to discuss an author's purpose and intention, especially in plays (a.k.a.: drama). As such, your point about the definition of "irony" is not 100% accurate, as the word has not evolved in an academic setting. As for in "real life," perhaps you don't use the word, but that doesn't mean that the situation is not ironic, specifically dramatic, it simply means you are describing it in a different way.
good job making this movie
Brilliant!
This very helpful
is it prediction?
After her husband was eaten by a giant octopus she had to find a second job.
Dramatic irony, practically the definition for Twelfth Night (heh)
armY
My 2 fav TH-cam channels:
Ted Ed
Aaron Fraser nash
Tell my teacher to stop giving us mad work
Is dramatic irony ONLY where there is an audience?
Did you mean: Friends
Is this irony? Despite working a lot of wedding receptions and knowing about them, my boss never has and never _will_ have a wedding reception for herself. Basically she has so much knowledge and experience on something she ain't ever gonna have (understandably)
2:21 She looks like she's shouting with joy.
Poor Uncle Monty.
I like to write Horror Campaigns and bottle episodes.
I specialize in Gothic Horror.
Socratic Irony is a type of Verbal Irony. and a Merriam-Webster video entry on irony says the word has a vagueness to its meaning.
what if someone says something, but their gestures are doing the opposite?
Dramatic irony only works when the audience DOES know something. For example, for someone like my friend with the social awareness of Sheldon Cooper, a lot of the humor on The Big Bang Theory doesn't really do much.
Oh that's a comedy? I thought it was asmr.
who else has to watch this for school?
ayoo here for school
Dramatic irony in comedies, because you can guess the whole plot from watching the trailer, or simply reading a brief synopsis
thank youu
Great!
Greetings Mr. Balkwill.
Bro..I really hate irony in every show, series, or movie...it gives me anxiety..but without irony, it's nothing but just a blank storyline
lolol "...wants, no, needs..."
Nope, Nope. Nope! I personally hate that in film.
+Jędrzej Potwór Umiński I SO agree with you. Misunderstandings are just iritating
Jędrzej Potwór Umiński Hate is a feeling. Mission accomplished
him [gets shoved into a cake] me [sucker]
This man cant even build on me
"The Misunderstanding"? I know it's there for the title of a hypothetical movie, but it's just cheesy. Your content is still great though :)
i already knew about dramatic irony from my illiad and odysea class at school
So it is called dramatic irony, cool ^_^
wow amazing
I'm sure it was just a typing error
When the narrator says 'the audience wants....no needs' it looks like they have constipation
now that is what we must call "THE LINK"
Christopher Warner is an Irony expert.
The Beverly Hillbillies excelled in dramatic irony.
Heck, that show excelled like a spreadsheet.