The Horse We Bought Was Wild. (SCAMMED)
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is holiday a female or male is chip a male or a female
From what it sounds like in the video holiday is female and chip is a male. Correct me if I'm wrong
Im sorry but if your trainer couldnt tell they had drugged that horse, you need a new trainer. The whale eye at the beginning showed me everything I needed to know
That clip freaked me out and they just glazed over it 😅 I feel like a semi retired ranch horse would suit them well and would probably be safe for the kids to sit up on and be led for a walk
Ty
Exactly. I only know horses from watching lots and lots and lots of videos, but you could tell right off he was drugged. I hate when people purposely take advantage of others. Next time check out Horse Plus Humane Society.. They save horses from kill pens and rehab and adopt out those who c can be. They match the person and skill level wirh the adopter. They have two vets on site to exam and treat the horses. Watch their videos. They are an amazing facility!
Why didn't you send Sterling for training? And as a retired coach and trainer, the best piece of advice to buy from reputable person. The horse was drugged when you bought him. Your trainer knew better if she was "iffy'. Vets checks BEFORE purchase. Always quarantine a new horse away from another for a period of 2 weeks minimum. Every time.
And you really do need to invest in riding helmets.
I hope it all works out for you folks, and you get to ride around your property. Enjoy.
Please read @rezotydnic 's comment guys, there is no judgment at all, starting a new hobby is never easy especially with 500kgs animals like horses, this is why you need to look at reputable trainers, reputable sellers etc.. There are plenty of youtubers who do really good guides for beginners like equine helper
A good thing to do is also to take lessons in an actual facility with plenty of different beginner friendly horses, they teach you the basics and later down the line you know what to look for in a horse for your family
As for the helmets, no one can force you to wear them BUT just know that horse riding kills every year, last year a really good rider and youtuber fell (while wearing a helmet) and went into a coma, show your viewers and your kids the good example and please try to wear a riding helmet, you can find them at nearly every sports shop or TSC (I bet, I'm not an american) and you'll find cheaper options! (please never buy second hand helmets as they might not protect as well or at all if they have been hit)
Yeah I don't get it. They took Sterling back because he required training and was fresh, but then they trial a horse that thee trainer just said needs training and is fresh. Am I just not understanding something here? Sterling was beautiful and healthy, Jack looked very rough even before he hurt himself.
perfect answer let me add , find out when they are available to show him and show up 2 to 3 hours early and insist on walking with them when they get him so he can't be drugged
I completely agree. Why send Sterling back if he wasn’t perfect and required a bit of training? Please do a bit more research and get a bit more knowledge before completely committing!❤
Let’s not make excuses for them and claim the horse was drugged. They are seriously lacking equine handling experience and it shows. Avoidable injuries to that poor horse but it could have been so much worse. Their trainer should have told them to work with the horse they have before getting a second
Beginners need a seasoned horse. Not one that needs training. When I think of all the incredible school masters that I learned to ride on as a kid I feel so blessed. You need a horse that’s going to take care of you. Please only buy from a reputable person and a vet check is a MUST before doing anything. And always have a written contract
Yess I was just about to comment this, although I haven't gotten my first horse I will have my trainer, vet and other peoples opinions as buying a horse is definitely not something you should do on first ride especially if your trainer says their to difficult for you. Just my opinion tho
@@lebirb2373Their trainer went with them to see the horse and even got on him. They didn’t go about this on their own.
@@lebirb2373 Your opinion is just facts m8 but unfortunately the corruption and bad practices are still pervasive at lesson-program barns throughout the country. When you get a trainer, cross check what they tell you/do with their horses on the internet at the beginning! It'll help with deciphering if the trainer is horse & rider safety first.
exactly, they need a coach to show them "how to" on "been there done that" older horses, not fresh/green doped up half started horses that need a trainer!
@@user-zj5jt6yh1o They have a trainer that went with them to look at this horse and even rode him
i understand you guys are beginners to horse owning and riding but there are somethings you should know before you even think of a horse, you need proper gear, you dont even have helmets, if you are looking for a ridding horse you should be able to catch, tack up and ride the horse when you go and look at it, you should also have a vet go with you or have the owner of the horse have their vet there or at least show paper work of that horse been to the vet with in the last week, i understand that it can be expensive doing it that way but horses are expensive if you cant do that you shouldn't own them, beginner rides need medium to high skilled horses because if you get a beginner horse as a beginner you can mess up that horse becuase you dont know what your doing. then there's your kids, also no gear, you just got this horse, you have no idea what he's like and he's in a new place he is probably scared, so your kids should not be in the same pen as him until he has been with you for a few days and you know him better and he should be left alone for a couple of days to get use to his new home, you guys need to back to square one and get all the proper stuff before you even look at a horse because your kids could get badly hurt and you have already injured a horse .
i agree. they shoudlnt have been suggested to even get a horse by the people who originally suggested it. They really dont know much at all.
Also you need to lead a horse on the left side. I cringed when you let the baby hold her little hand out to give a horse you know not much about something to eat. Big mouth, small hand.
1000% agree. At the very least learning how to load a horse is SO important... this makes me kinda mad as someone who learned about horses for 10+ years before getting one...
The truth is it takes time and most humans don't get that horses are passed around. Separated from their herd, these prey animals are scared and don't trust humans. They have personalities that dictate where they are in the herd, some timid and others more bold. I spent hours getting to know my horse in a small square arena. We used natural horsemanship ideas, but not one in particular. It took time in the pasture, it took sneaky planning to make sure we had success. You must learn how to lead a horse, then how to open gates, and you take them through.
Then, there is energy controlling, staying calm, getting your horse used to you touching them. If you are not willing to get to know them, then you can forget ever having a calm relationship. Around here, we only ride if the horse is ok with it mentally and physically. I wear gloves and a helmet. We DON'T ride off alone, either in a pair/ group or leading his herd mate. Always wear the helmet, be prepared in case the horse trips, scared horses will trip. Watch videos of people in the arena with their horses. But, know not every approach is right. I do not feed treats. If your horse wants to come into the arena, award it with a little food. An incentive or bribe? I just think of it as a reward.
Any new horse needs to acclimate to the new environment, a new herd mate, a new setting, a new human. IF your new horse feels heard, it will come to you with problems it has. Sore feet, itches and even things he/she doesn't like. This is when you should be satisfied you have a relationship. Also, geldings should be with geldings, mares with mares, mixing us not good for beginners. Success depends on your attitude. We ride bitless here and proud of our journey.
Unfortunately this family as lovely as they are act first think later 🙈
A good trainer would have told you not to buy him and to look for a different horse
I really wish you guys would wear helmets when horseriding, especially the kids, safety should be priority
I was going to say the same.
AGREED. Especially novice riders too!
Please bere in mind this only a 14 minute video 🙏🏼🫶🏼
Some people like Western writing and western riding like they’re doing it doesn’t call for a helmet, but if you’re talking about English riding , they’re always wearing a helmet and that’s not what they do
Yes helmets are very important, idk how many time I’ve almost been bucked off and someone I know fell off a horse
As someone who has been around horses for a long time now this is so sad to see. First off you should let the horse get use to the new surroundings but all you wanted to do was get that poor horse to training. You need to let the horse settle. Also when I first saw this horse something was wrong. And this was not the horses fault it was your fault for not learning more about horses.
Poor Jack! He’s scared. It breaks my heart. It makes me wonder how he’s been treated in the past. Horses are wonderful animals. They are super smart and loving and need to be treated with care. I hope he was sold to someone who will take good care of him.
Yeah I'm worried about Jack
Unfortunately this horse will just get passed and passed. Someone needs to put him out to pasture and let him just be a horse
Just a few words of wisdom. The cheapest part of horse owning is the purchase price. A well broke horse is not cheap but will save you money in the long run. If you are spending less than $8000-10000 it is probably not a good match for a green rider. Get a trainer that has connections with legitimate horse sellers and will not let you buy a horse that “may” work out. Not say any of this too hurt your feelings, just trying to keep you safe.
I’m sorry that we’re not wealthy enough to have a budget to buy amazing horses. We’re on a budget and therefore have to find diamonds in the rough and get our trainer’s help to get the horses and us to work well together.
@@whitehouseonthehill good ridable horses do not necessarily have to cost much. For example rescue orgs Horse Plus rescues then vets it's horses and makes sure they are suitable for whoever is buying and sells the horses for a same quite low price. I do not feel like you got enough support in finding the right horse and an 'iffy' horse should have been ruled out seeing you are beginners.
@@whitehouseonthehill You could find a good horse cheaper than 8k. Maybe 3-5k. Especially in kentucky, I find a lot of good horses here priced well, and a lot that are overpriced. Horse market has gone UP in the last 10 years like crazy
I think adopting a horse from a rescue organisation would be a good idea for you. Most rescues do a good job matching horse to rider and the adoption fees are manageable and help the organisation to rescue more horses.
@@whitehouseonthehill in which case you shouldn't be buying horses. Diamonds in the rough don't happen with horses unless you're an exceptional owner and trainer... I don't understand what's not clicking here??
Please take your time and do more research, a good horse is hard to find and if you don’t know much about them, then don’t try to train them yourself. It takes a professional to train a horse the right way. Good luck!
Seems like they’re not taking their time at all. And their not taking constructive criticism or any kind of help at all lol they’ll keep running into the same problems like this
A tip always get them vet checked and bloods done , as soon as they are your responsibility 😊
Tried. Vets were 7-10 days out.
@whitehouseonthehill just so you know, the horse you had that had odd looking fur had what we call Queensland itch in Australia, or it could have just been mud rot. It's from when the fur is wet and muddy or very humid. Qld itch comes from insect bite reactions (midges) or fungal/bacterial infection. It gets sores when they scratch a lot. To treat them, you need to bathe and dry them and put on insect spray. Sometimes, it resolves on its own with bathing and insect spray, and sometimes it requires a sulphur treatment like a shampoo or cream.
Vet check before purchase is very common with equine purchases. A horse is a huge investment and making sure it is healthy before purchase is a regular practice.
If the vet is 7-10 days out,then wait. It's not worth it otherwise. Someone is steering this family I've watched since they stated their channel,in a bad direction with horses. That's the first thing I would change
@@whitehouseonthehill If unable due to scheduling than you should have put off bringing any horse back to your home and worked around the schedule of the vet. Too much of a hurry to your dream of riding a horse and not enough time spent on looking for a seasoned horse, training and preparing yourselves for the care and ownership.
I hated to give it another view but my husband summed it up best: more money than sense and the horse paid the price.
Almost everything about this vid makes me cry. Poor Jack - drugged to be off loaded to unsuspecting, trusting newby buyers, horse scared sh*tless, injured and returned to the asshat that will just recycle that poor horse endlessly. It will not end well for Jack, he'll live a terrified life passed on and on until he finds himself in the pits of horse auctions. Dealers and others will exploit people who 'don't know what they don't know' - and a horse is just a money making commodity in their eyes. I am glad that you both now have a horse each to ride - and hope that dedication, commitment and understanding of your horses - along with safety - is part of your dream.
Horses are naturally very afraid. (They're prey animals in the wild, so it serves them well there.) He MAY have just needed more time to adjust to his new surroundings. Either way, it looks like the poor guy just wasn't a good fit for you guys and your experience level. This poor guy definitely seems like a horse that needs a more advanced owner.
Don’t just blame the seller, your trainer is also to blame. To say he was not good new, but with training he would get better is a MASSIVE red flag! Also to sell you a horse she “happens to have around” is not great either.
Hi there,
I am a horse trainer at a show jumping barn teaching kids and adults how to ride and properly and safely handle horses on the ground. I recommend you contact reputable riders/barns in your area if you are considering buying a horse that will fit your needs. I don't think riding should be your top priority especially if you are on a budget when it comes to purchasing a horse. To make sure you and your kids are safe I would 100% recommend riding lessons and being around trained horses to learn how to properly handle and care for them before you choose to get another horse. Most people will lie about the condition of their horse, drug them, or not disclose very important things that could potentially put you and your family in danger. It's one thing to be able to house and feed a horse, but before that it is essential you learn to handle and ride on fully broke and trained horses before you consider getting a green (untrained) horse. With a tight budget comes the likelihood of a horse that has little to no training, meaning you'll likely have to do a lot of the training yourself, and if you don't have much experience it could be risky. I don't want this to be taken the wrong way, I have just seen too many people make uniformed decisions that ultimately bring more harm than good when it comes to horses. You want to make sure you have the proper gear as well before you start keeping horses. Proper fitting tack is important to make sure there's no unnessecary pain being brought onto the horse. It is essential to have a properly fitting saddle and bridle. I would get more into detail, but I think that is something that is most importantly learned through experience while taking riding lessons and getting to be around horses in general. Lessons are much cheaper than owning a horse and I think that is the first step you should take along with your entire family to ensure proper handling and safety for all of you, especially the little ones. Only after mastering the basics of riding (how to properly ride the walk, trot, canter, gallop) and handling on the ground (how to safely walk, deal with spooking, proper position around legs, not standing behind the horse, not letting them walk you/ahead of you) I think you would be ready to try and get a horse that is not very trained, and even that is a stretch. It takes a lot of knowledge to train a horse and many who ride for years don't really know how to properly train, ride, and desentize a horse. Consistency is probably the easier part of training, especially when it comes to desensitization and exposure to things they might find scary. You want to create a "bomb proof" horse that your kids can do essentially anything around and still be safe. Exposure to all types of things consistently helps with this. I have a tip for you when it comes to loading your horses in the trailer. If you can have your trailer in your pasture at all times, I would say 100% keep it there open all the time. Feed them at least 1 meal a day in the trailer so they feel comfortable and willing to come in and out on their own and they know that nothing is going to happen. This is the most passive way to train a horse to feel comfortable in a trailer without much effort on your end. Please, be safe! Let me know if you have any questions.
Sounds like he was sedated to be sold an now it's worn off an you shouldn't of been mixing them he should of been in quartine with those marks on him an him not being your horse he could be carrying anything
Yes! You should always quarantine any new horse even if you think they came from a “safe” place.
I agree
It's "HAVE" FFS.
Horse plus rescue! They have a trainer. They can set you up for exactly what you are looking for PLUS you’d be adopting from a wonderful rescue!
I was going to say this! I fully agree they are great!
They are amazing!
This is an EXCELLENT IDEA!! 😊
Yea!! Take him to horse plus and they for sure will find the right one! Also, a lot of horses that are passed around are drugged. The meds could have wore off
This is not a great idea unfortunately. Adopting from them is a good idea to a degree but I would not surrender a horse to them. Just know that they are not completely honest about what you’re getting either.
Sterling was beautiful
I don’t understand why you guys bought horses when you don't know anything about them... Usually when people learn about horses they start with a pony for their kids, and at the very least learn to ride and care for horses from someone with their own horses before getting their own.
Yep and they don’t seem to be taking their time at all lol. A lot of the people in the comments are actually concerned and have legitimate advice but they don’t seem to be taking it to well lol
@josuenunoarandas1758 yep, the sarcastic response on one of them doesn't shine a positive light for a potentially successful learner...
Do you know how to rebuild a caliper? How about changing out a rear end? Rebuild a front end? Put a new camshaft into an engine? I don't understand why you bought a car without knowing anything about them...
And NO, people DON'T usually learn about horses when they buy a pony for their kids. Horsemen and women learn about them AS kids, because they have the love for it all their lives. Whether they get the knowledge they need for it or not is a matter of time, place, and the people in their lives. I'm sorry you're bearing the brunt of my angst but I could only read so many horrid comments to these people before I lashed out. Where are the comments welcoming them to the world of horses? I haven't seen any, but there are a plethora of comments telling them what they are "doing wrong". THIS is why there are so few people involved with horse ownership, today, and why there are so many good horses going to slaughter each year. We shame and hurt those who are interested in horses to the point that no one wants to have anything to do with horses because of US. It really hurts me when I see so many empty seats at shows and events, because in places that make horsemanship inviting, those seats are filled. I'm thrilled these lovely people now have a pair of horses they both can enjoy, and they should be encouraged instead of chastised for their interest in them.
@Pro3110 I did learn about road rules and driving before I was allowed to drive one. And basic care 😂🥰
@Pro3110 the differences are a lot of those things aren't necessary to know before getting a car. A lot of the things they don't know about horses are ABSOLUTELY necessary to know about horses. You're caring for a life, whereas a car is a replaceable thing without a soul or a life. You cannot say the two are in any way alike because they are NOT.
I would never subscribe to this channel BUT now im EXTREMELY invested to see this "new horse" chip? I believe it was....how he endures being handled by these inexperienced individuals. the fear based behavior exhibited by the woman in the trailer gave me goosebumps.
Guys sometimes be careful if anyone says you can’t return an animal, your buying from them you should know that the animal is probably up to no good or something, so always make sure you test the animals first before you buy them
It’s not the horse that’s up to no good! It’s the owner! The owners know damn well that they’re trying to pawn off a horse that they’ve ruined- likely abuse.
@@sarahmacalfiesmom6030 yea there’s 2 reasons to it 1 could be the horse been like that and now the owners selling it trying to make people think it’s all calm and stuff just so the people can buy it and they don’t have to deal with it anymore or 2 which is, your reason
as a horse owner for 90% of my life....I wouldn't take a horse back once it's sold for many reason especially when it's injured. For 1, you have no idea what that horse has been exposed to illness wise from their horses and what has been done during that time. Sadly this horse my never load easily again because of the injury and the lack of knowledge these people have when it comes to horses in general. The fact that 2 owners let them return a horse is likely because of them having a TH-cam and are afraid of being smeared just like the did saying they were scammed when they were only clueless on horses as is their trainer.
@@db8530 i see
Horse world is pretty much buyer beware. Been in it for 34 years and only know a handful of people who would take one back.
The saddest part about this whole situation is that Jack was unnecessarily traumatized... Horses don't know any better. People should. SMH
I'm no expert when it comes to horses, but with the title, and just looking at him before he had the injury, I already knew he was an anxious horse. Whatever they did to calm him to get him into the trailer, it completely wore off, and I can't tell if the patches of fur is from an actual disease or from him getting bit by other horses he must've been with.
My guess would be fungal infection.
its hearts left on him when they shaved his winter coat... allot of people do this
@@2friesshortofabigmac407 But some of those patches were clearly hairless in the middle. :(
I'm sorry but a trainer that allows you to buy a horse that needs work especially when you've only owned horses a year is scary to me. You need something dead broke that you can trust, hop on and ride. I would find a new trainer. And jack, looking at him alone has red flags. The patches of long hair could be a metabolic issue, ring worm and what not
What you need is two older and well ridden horses! Don't be afraid to by a horse 10 years or older as they can live up over 20, as long as their teet are nice. it is better for you and the children as the horse knows what is going on. I would never recomend a "fresh" horse for a beginner to learn with when you have werry little knowledg of what to do if something goes wrong. And never just bring it home without taking it to the vet first!! I emidiatly got suspicious of a fungal infection or old injuries on those patches and i think your trainer should have been more cautious with that, bringing possible deciese to your farm and the other horse! and lastly, Wear a helmet! for gods sake you only have one head and you can't live without it!
You need to become more knowledgeable about horses. Just from watching other channels it is obvious you need more education. Letting a toddler near a horse you don’t know? Buying a horse with visible spots.
Spend the extra money and buy a fully trained horse. You are not skilled enough to own a green horse. You could really get hurt. It asked a long time to train a horse appropriate for your level
I would recommend watching free spirt equestrian if you’re still learning especially the auction videos where she teaches you what to look out for on horses etc
I watch her too.
Also Steve Young Horsemanship and The Clever Cowgirl *
Free Spirit is amazing!
No Horse is Bombproof... the Horse just hasn't had "the Bomb" shown up yet.
People still die from falling off horses hitting their head. My daughter Split a helmet but her head only had a bruise.
Reputable breeder, a knowledgeable friend, and a pre-purchase exam.
i love this channel, but i really think your horse journey has been irresponsible. You shouldnt have even got horses without training YOURSELVES to know hot to handle them, if youre planning to ride, take riding lessons and wear helmets. dont just hop on and hope for the best. When youre going to see a horse, have someone ride them. never let people sell you a horse they say is good for riding if you dont see it being ridden right in front of your eyes. Another tip, always have a vet check a horse before buying it. even simple things like heat or swelling in their legs could get looked over but become a huge problem in the future. Horses arnt just an animal you can wing it with, you need to know what youre doing, and it doesnt seem like you guys are fully educated yet. The one thing i cannot emphasize enough though, wear helmets. anything can happen, horses can spook, and kill you. a helmet could save your life, so wear them.
We take lessons every week. Thanks for the judgement ✌🏼
@@whitehouseonthehill i really didn't mean to be judgy, and its really good you take lessons every week. just make sure you have a vet with you if you buy another horse in the future and make sure to watch someone ride the horse before buying it :)
Surprised your trainer didn’t educate you on the importance of wearing a helmet. I think everyone is just trying to give constructive advice to keep you all safe. It takes years to be educated in riding horses properly, and understanding how to work with them on the ground safely. It’s not something to take lightly, horses ARE dangerous, even a sweet bombproof horses can spook and land a dangerous kick.
You two are adults, so your choice on the helmet. But your little one should definitely wear a helmet if you’re going to let your kiddo ride, they don’t have the balance or strength to stay on like you.
I personally don’t ride with a helmet my choice but my kiddo ALWAYS wears a helmet when he rides. And when I was a kid I always wore a helmet.
It doesn’t matter if your leading the child, one miss step and the horse trips is enough to get the little one off.
I have to agree with you. It's not even anyone trying to be a jerk. Horses can be dangerous, and you need a horse that is broke for beginners if you are a beginner... And need to know a lot to be around them. Riding lessons are a good start, but it takes a lot more than that...
Can we have any updates about the Aviary? Hows it going with it or when will the nets be installed
im so sad i hope the horse will get better soon
Yeah, Jack looked like he needed a vet check before he even got close to any of your other animals or family.
He just looked neglected and was definitely sedated before you got there
Couldn’t get a vet appointment for 7-10 days. Always a chance you miss out on a good horse waiting for that to happen.
@@whitehouseonthehill There's really not. Horses don't sell that quickly. You have a much higher chance of getting a horse with a medical issue you aren't equipped to handle than the chance of missing out on the only good horse ever. The fact that you still defend that mindset after experiencing firsthand the problems with not waiting for the proper steps to happen shows you really didn't learn much.
@@lilylavae321 Right. "we couldn't wait the whole week for a vet to tell us this horse was sick" lol. People always rush into things without waiting for professional help.
@@lilylavae321 Didn't learn that much and not a single regard for the horses either it seems. That kind of attitude will get them no where. I understand it may feel like everyone online is going against you (the people in the video) but damn, a lot of people on here also know quite a bit about horses. Horses are a HUGE commitment. There's already way too many that get sold and passed around with absolutely zero respect or regards for them then also get neglected and miss handled. Plenty of channels on here that are wonderful horse channels. Free Spirit Equestrian is a great one! She always quarantines her horses too! I just came across this video and am pretty disappointed tbh.
Wow. These people. 🤦🏻♀️
In such a hurry to do it all without knowledge about any of it. Two weeks?! Sometimes it takes months to properly buy a horse. And didn't even quarantine the horses they brought around the other one. Poor Jack. They knew he had issues loading after the first head bashing and kept trying to load him and without any training for the trailer so he kept getting hurt. These people are something else. 🙄
horse people are incredibly corrupt.. Learned this the hard way as well... My last horse was drugged upon delivery... I started with rescues (which they turned out way better than breeder and trainer choices)... Alway criticized by the horse community in our area . It was a great learning experience of the nature of people... not the horse.....fun to finally see you on a horse that is perfectly advertised
Drugged animals is often a thing 100% especially horses. You need to always be wary of this I agree.
As a student in a horse high school, please never get a horse for riding if you arent allowed to test ride it first. as thats a big red flag the owners are hiding something that you would find out if you rode it. Asking a vet to look at it before buying is also a great idea if it might have an issue thats not visable(Matt Harnacke has a great video from when he saw a horse he wanted to buy). The horse probably was drugged so it would calm down so its trailer problem and probably riding problems wouldnt be visable so you would think its well-trained and buy it. Also, if you suspect a horse is sick i would recommend either not buying it or putting it in quarentine as it could spread to your other horse. My highschool has bought 2 horses that looked fine when seeing them and on the vet check, to just a few weeks later both got sick(Fungus infection i think the word is) Luckly both was in quarentine so it didnt spread to the other horses. (English is not my first lunguage)
Would be great if vets would have been available. Unfortunately they were all 7-10 days out.
@whitehouseonthehill then you wait 7-10 days. If you can't wait to do the bare minimum to ensure a right fit and healthy animal, then you shouldn't get a horse. Some for any other animal. Not a hard concept.
@@jessehenderkott2084I agree. I know that I personally would much rather my kids and I have a safe horse that I have test ridden and I know that it is healthy. And I would check with my instructor before I buy a horse.
I actually bought my first horse last week. My instructor approved, and I’ve been riding with the instructor for 7 or eight years. He got checked out by the vet, and I test rode him before I bought him. He’s a family safe, 18 year old horse. He rides English and Western and knows the barrel pattern. He was $500. His owners shut down their lesson program, so they had no use for him. His owners are very close friends of mine, and my instructor knows them.
Please wait until you get a vet out to buy a horse. It’s worth the wait.
I definitely agree, seemed like poor Jack was drugged for him to be able to load to take home and then absolutely panic after. I do hope whoever buys him is a good home and he gets what he needs to be a calm and happy horse. I've no experience with horses, but when you were walking him after the clip of you loading him into the trailer, he seemed sooo much calmer than Jack already
This made me cry. Poor Jack. He needed rehabilitating, and certainly needed time and patience to overcome his loading fears safely, along with a spacious, safe wagon and protective head gear!
I detest this kind of unscrupulous seller and I really hope - in the kindest possible way - that you seek better professionals to guide you. Your trainer let you down. NEVER take a horse home that you haven’t tried yourself, or aren’t comfortable trying yourself. NEVER overlook a potential health issue. I wouldn’t even take a horse for a trial with a seller so casual about allowing that.
I really, really hope Jack has found his way to a compassionate expert willing to give him the time he deserves. He looks like a nice boy who’s had a rough life.
First, congratulations on buying your new horse! I advise you, before buying any other new animals, to have them checked by a vet. The vet will examine them for any problems or health issues. Once their health is approved, you can bring them home without any concerns.
Vets were weeks out on availability in our area. Would definitely do that, but horse vets are hard to come by near us.
@@whitehouseonthehill Then you wait to purchase. If the sellers were hot to sell and not wait, that's a big red flag.
Seriously ? Tons of videos on YT how to load that kind of horse and how to do basic ground work. I'm sorry but owning horse requires basic riding and understanding horse skills, or you just going straight to professional trainer with time dedication for learning and working daily. Otherwise you can easily raise dangerous monster.
My heart breaks for Jack, I wish people would learn more about horses before getting them. This is painful to watch, and the horse is the one who is suffering. So many things were done wrong, so many wrong choices, I can't even write it out.
We felt that we were deceived when looking at him the first time. Once we realized how wild he was, we returned him.
@@whitehouseonthehill To be fair, y'all are also not very knowledgeable about horses either. Plenty of good channels on here that you could learn a lot from. Y'all where rushing it. Period. In a matter of 2 weeks?! In such a hurry to purchase one. Horses already get bought and then resold or miss handled so much, end up in terrible situations because of people's negligence, auctions. Take your time. It's a huge commitment. Like buying a house or having a kid! Vet bills and upkeep are expensive too. 🤦🏻♀️
Probably all for the sake of making TH-cam videos. Content.
RED FLAG any trainer who recommends green horses for green riders! OK after the drama you found one, looks young that trainer is setting you up for her continued business because you'll encounter trouble and rely on her. Attachment aside, you need good old plodders to just enjoy at home and a "Coach" for you. Coaches teach people, trainers wok on horses, (a few do some cross over kind of necessity) but with a couple of older plodders that have been there done that you will have less stress fewer bills: medical & vet. Adding a couple of horses to a household for just riding around you need to go get those experienced horses ready for semi--retirement. I hope that new horse works out, if it starts playing up you need a new coach to show you how to handle any new behaviors and ditch that trainer. If you repeatedly have got aggressive sickly roosters from one person you would cull the roosters before they hurt you or your little girl and you would find someone else to deal with, same thing here but that rooster is 20x times the size and got 4 legs instead of 2, Good luck I do hope it works out for you.
Chip seems like the perfect addition! Glad you guys found him after everything with Jack. I do hope Jack finds someone who is able to put in the time and energy he needs 💙
Me too
Jacks had a rough life, it’s all over his body. he needs a really good therapeutic home that can rehabilitate him properly. He’s not bad, he’s scared and in pain. Poor Jack. God, poor Jack.
When they won’t allow you to try riding the horse first RED FLAGS!!!
Why are you yelling? Our trainer wanted the horse at training first to work on groundwork and then ride there. Nobody said we couldn’t ride him there - our trainer just wanted it in her environment separate from the seller.
Unfortunately, this happened to us as well. Not the injuries, except to our daughter. This mare was amazing the first few days we had her, then she started doing everything she could to get our daughter off of her. She wound up with a concussion, and never rode her again. We found out later that a lot folks trying to sell problematic horses dose them with this gel that you can guy at any feed store, and they behave perfectly until it wears off. Looks like this may be what happened with Jack. So glad to see that you finally found a pasture mate, and one that could be safely ridden! The shot at the end of your daughter in the saddle brought back some wonderful memories, so thank you for that.
Horses changing after a few days after could be due to inexperienced rider. Horses can develop issues quickly if people do not know what they are doing and beginners should have from the beginning some lessons with a good riding instructor on a new horse.
I’d be very careful of horse traders. They’ve been known to drug horses just to get them sold. Unfortunately, there are a lot of crooks in the horse business. There’s a TH-cam channel called ponytails rescue they take in all kinds of horses and get them ready to sell or give them the last act of kindness and I think they’re very inexpensive. Always take the horses back if it don’t work out You should check them out. I think they’re up north may be in Michigan.
Yep, lesson learned
A wise horsewoman told me that green and green makes black and blue. A beginner should never buy a green horse. It usually ends with a bad outcome for both the owner and the horse. It’s also important to note that most “cheap or free” horses are usually cheap or free for a reason and will end up costing you way more than a slightly pricier horse would have because it has underlying issues. I know people who have bought cheap horses and avoided a pre-purchase vet exam to save money only to end up with an unridable horse who costs hundreds of extra dollars a month because they were unaware of the horse’s medical problems and subsequent necessary maintenance. It’s always unfortunate when this happens but it is all too common as thousands of scammers are waiting for the opportunity to take advantage of someone who they know is new to horses. I think it was a good idea to listen to your trainer and pay a little extra for a horse who is a better fit and is being sold by someone more reliable.
Im sorry that you have had this exsperiance but it may be time for a new trainer. a trainer that is encouraging you to get green horses when you are still green is a big red flag even with lessons. I love that you are seeking professional advice but please think about finding a new professional. green on green= black and blue. Horses are exspensive and alot of work they should be enjoable
oh boy so I'm going to go out on a limb here... I would like to give advice but it seems like there's a lot of people in the comments saying things that seemed negative but to other handlers it seems like common sense because those people are been there done that horse folks... but based on what I've seen here: when you have money you have accidentally put the cart before the horse. a lot of people have love and appreciation for horses but get hurt themselves very badly or the animal gets hurt very badly. my advice is to find somewhere to go and get experience with other horses that are highly trained, dull even... that way you are setting yourself up for success when you are ready to own a horse of your own. my sincerest apologies for saying this, you may have a wonderful relationship with the lady who got on the horse and advised you to purchase but from a safety standpoint it's kind of backwards to have a human learning and the horse learning at the same time, a confident individual would have loaded this particular horse in that particular trailer. you were set up to fail and that is sad. it is really not your fault you are under someone else's advisement. my last major tip: helmet up and please do not coil the lead line around your hand. the lead line should zig zag in your fist ✊🏻 for safety making it able to feed or slide out in the event things get sideways releasing you. this was so emotional to watch. wishing you all the best. wow.
No judgement or hate but please wear a helmet! It has saved me so many times even on beginner safe horses who just had a bad day! I’m not saying this to judge but you can’t replace your head and neck and brain
Why did you think this horse was a better choice than sterling? Or the trainer think it was a better choice?
Please buy a couple of shipping bonnets, always use them even with easy haulers because stuff happens, and it would’ve prevented the first injury.
You should really just put the camera down and lead your daughter around on the horse because what happens if she accidentally falls off and than your holding the camera and leading the horse around so you probably wouldn’t be able to catch her before she hit the ground
There are some EXCELLENT videos on YT about buying horses. They discuss what to look for, how to tell if the horse has been drugged etc. Maybe watch a PILE of these before trying to buy another horse. Owning a horse is exciting, I understand that, but for your sake and the horse’s sake be careful. It is cruel for the horses to be ‘tried’ by multiple people . GIVEN TIME, a horse will bond wonderfully with you. You know you are kind, caring people but the horse has to LEARN this about you! Especially given have some previous people may have treated them. Remember, you are a stranger to any new animal!
Everyone says green + green = black and blue. Better to lease a horse first before buying. I did for 9 months and i learned so much. Now had my own horse about 9 months and it’s a very hard learning curve but I adore him and he’s a gem. Never ever buy a horse you have not seen and ridden first. Never ride the horse first make the owner ride it first. Y’all sadly are doing all the things wrong but I feel for ya. Find a new trainer. That poor horse is misreble and needs a good life with someone who can help him. He’s basically a rescue. The vet bill is on you guys ya didn’t do things the safe way. That person scammed ya hard ya walked right into it. Both of those horses need a good home who can help them right. I can’t finish the last 1/3rd of the video after ya said he hurt himself again for god sake get the owner to come get him and find a better trainer and go lease a horse at a barn for a year.
An experienced horse person would have been gone within 1 minute of seeing that poor horse. The patches of long hair and his overall body condition and eyes show signs of something serious going on with his immune system. A good horse costs quite a lot, but it will save you a lot of money in the long run.
Even a healthy experienced horse needs time to settle after you move it to a new home.
Horses are unpredictable, fast and heavy. That can make them very dangerous and even more so if you have too little experience. You should be very comfortable around horses before ever thinking of owning them.
And please, please, please wear helmets at all time and kids even if they walk around the horses. They are at a height where they get hit straight in the head if a horse would kick. I owned horses for over 30 years, I am a mom and I was a nurse and please believe me if I tell you that injuries around horses are extremely often VERY serious.
What's the point of your comment? We aren't experience horse people. So we have to learn from our experiences so we can become experienced horse people. Get it?
@@whitehouseonthehillI'm all for learning as you go but helmet is not a learning experience you get 1 brain its as important as the bit or saddle. I'm excited for you guys and I read that your taking lessons but why wouldn't safety around any animal be lesson number 1? I think chip looked amazing and I'd be excited to ride too but they need 3 days to warm up, 3 weeks to adjust to a new stall and quarantine, 3 months to feel like this is home before you should even start to train/ride. Build trust. I can see how exciting it is but be safe.
If anyone advises you not to ride a horse that you’re considering buying, especially because he’s “too fresh,” walk away. The horse is not for beginners.
Stop buying horses if you don't know what to do with them. You even don't know how to lead a horse on lease. You were not scammed, but you just put yourself and your family in danger, not to mention the injures of the horses you take in. And I'm not talking only about the pyssical injures, but the mental ones. A broken mind horse will have less chances to find a good home after you return it to the seller or sell it to somebody else. These horses are not to be blamed, but you, because you are actually playing with their lives. A horse always needs a leader. A herd always has a leader which's role is taken by the human. But the human has to KNOW what to do in order to lead an animal, gain his trust and respect. So before buying a new horse and try to "train" him, go out there and train yourself about how to deal with a horse first. Yes, sometimes you drug a horse to embarq him, but only if the horse it's not trained enough. If you know how to handle it, you don't need drugs. And how did you imagine you can handle it to embarq it, if you can't handle it while walking on lease on the pasture? Your wife is scared to death just by sitting near the horse. She has nor the posture, not the attidude and knowledge to walk a horse. You never let a horse to pull his head above you. That's domination. You both are completely overwhelmed. Get yourself trained and leave alone these innocent souls until you are ready to offer them the proper leadership. It's not only about having a barn and giving them cookies. Stop now before you get injured yourself, or worse, your child does. You should not let your son to feed cookies like that, he might end up without his fingers, he does not know how to protect his hand. Obviouslly you don't know either. So go get trained, then buy al old horse that you will also learn from. Stop acting immature. This is a real dangerous game your are playing. I'm a horse rescuer and it took me 10 years to learn how to proper behave with a horse, and got my trainor licence last month. Safety comes first. Your choice, guys. Good luck!
What did you buy? You get a vet check before you buy!!!!!! You got robbed. And your trainer isn’t wearing a helmet!!! Somebody is going to get so hurt!!
I'm happy to see you both smiling while riding your horses together. You could see the stress on your faces with the other 2 horses. Those horses were not going to work for what you wanted.
Now that you have 2 horses you're comfortable with the stress has disappeared. Have fun with your horses, and remember to be safe.
My dad is a horse trainer and this method helps me train horses to load up in the trailer if they start acting up and rearing work them so hard when they are panting and then load them up in the trailer but reward them after. This method was passed on from my great grandpa. That’s how I teach a horse to go in the trailer without any problems.
Horses are amazing but... You need to have training BEFORE you buy. You have a horse that was drugged and trailer loading is very dangerous to both u and the horse. They are not like dogs. I think its irresponsible to not now the bare basics to keep u safe. Honestly their are so many things that can go wrong. And a horse that is spooked can be unpredictable. U need to be wearing helmets at least. Ad big and beautiful as they are they can be hurt, get sick soo easily and turn life threatening to them. I have we have 11 here most are rescues. I would get a mini or Shetland to learn the basics with. Minis are more forgiving and Shetlands dont let u get away with anything and keep u honest. Making a mistake with these is still dangerous but compared to a horse its not life threatening. Just your basics and handling with them including trailer loading as well as feet, teeth, and worming its important to be able to handle them safely. Please be careful and learn skills before doing. I would not be even trail riding till u have the ability to control the horse. It does not take much to spook a horse. Learn your 1 rein stop. I do a lot of trail riding here. My ottb is safe as houses but i have trained him to look for me before freaking out. We have another that if you blink wrong she gets nervous and panics shes doing amazing compared to when we got her. Its time and being safe. Set u both up for success. Good luck
good lord you know the horse can accidently bite off your babys fingers. . .just a few minutes in but dont understand why you returned the palomino. . .
I recommend, if you are determined to keep Jack, that you bond with him first, from the ground. Hw is clearly not ready to be ridden yet. Let him get to know you and trust you first. Grooming is a GREAT way to do this. Petting him and massaging him, talking to him and giving him treats will also help. Take it very slow. Maybe for his trailer fears, offer him high value treats to entice him in...but only very briefly at first, and then work your way up from that... and maybe a blindfold, so he will be calmer. If he trusts you, he will do it willingly. Right now, all he knows is that trailer caused him one hell of a headache, and now, he's scared of it, so he doesn't want to go back to that. However it happened, he is CLEARLY not trailer trained... You need to show him that going into the trailer can be a GOOD THING and not a bad thing that causes him pain. Also, you need to quarantine him away from your other horse until he passes his vet check....CLEARLY this horse has A LOT of illnesses going on. His coat is matty, his eye looked strange, and he's had two gashes n the head.
Jack is a very complicated horse thats been through alot. He needs a very experienced and patient person and a vet evaluation. You were ready to give him the love but he was not ready. He had the fight and flight in his eyes, hoping hes treated well but I have doubts.
Its sad, hes a beautiful horse.
In my small horse experience you need to spend high for a horse for a beginner. You are so blessed you could return the other 2. I bought a horse and he had black hooves but when it rained his hooves were white!
You should not own horses until you have gained more experience. Even though it was not shown in this video I am sure that your inexperience with loading, and horses in general, caused Jack’s reaction, and therefore his multiple disfiguring and emotionally destructive injuries. The wounds will heal but he may never recover from his understandable intense fear of trailers. If you returned a horse to me after a “trial” I would surely make you responsible for his disfigurement and the lengthy rehabilitation to get over his emotional damage with trailer loading. Again, you absolutely should not own horses until you know what you are doing. This poor horse has suffered greatly because of your inexperience.
you did mention that the horse before was on a dry lot, now you have moved him to your I'm not really quite sure what to call your pasture based on the conditions I'm unsure why the grass is so short, however; short grass contains more sugar, put your money to good use and pull blood check his glucose levels it's a crapshoot it could go either way you wouldn't want the poor thing to be in a metabolic mess!!!!
I'm glad things finally worked out after the struggles early on.
halter is way too loose on the reload and you are in the trailer facing him which is making the body language very confusing to the horse this is so painful to watch. 😢
Hate to say this, but you learned a hard lesson about horse people! MANY of them are horrible people that will take advantage of anyone they can. Best of luck with with your new horse!
Thank you
I think it is great that you share the "bad and the ugly" with us. A lot of homestead-related channels only shows the good part.
Thank you for recognizing that.
people "green" with working horses ends up with this result! U need to understand the amount of trauma you did to that poor horse! u injured a horse 2 times and u decide to return to the previous owner and said he wasnt a match! if u want a horse u need to learn how to ride, it just doesnt work buy a horse and then ride him and make him do all the work! u got really lucky there with the previous owner, if it was someone else, u would have serious problems! Now the previous owner has a horse with two big scars on his forehead with trauma and if he wants to sell him, people will see the scars and just dont want him! U need to take responsability, horse arent easy, its not only about building a stable and feeding him everyday.
In the past decades I have gone along with people who were going to try out a prospective horses and really listened to what they wanted and needed, and I would always try and recommend the best fit, in this case you should be able to bring home a couple of nice older horses and ride around enjoying them at home from the start, without the trainer, what little you think you saved on a purchase price you've already paid in vet bills and training fees. Ridiculous. Again IF those were poultry, would you keep using a person as a broker that brings you a bunch of sickly day old straight run chicks If what you asked for and needed was point of lay hens! Would you cut that person out? Of course you would.
Some horses take the change slowly, more so if your mare is pinning him. Also feel like the trailer was to small for him, he looked to be 16h or so he could of been used to a bigger one. I don't think Jack's owner would let you take him if he had lied or if jack had been drugged. I'm glad you have got chip he looks like he's a much more beginner friendly horse.
That’s horses for you .
Why no helmets when you are riding?
I am having a hard time about the complaint for the cost to take care of a horse that got hurt under your care, wahtever other circumstances.
You guys should start with senior horse with some experience.
We eventually did. We have two senior horses now with experience.
@@whitehouseonthehill I'm glad! Senior horses actually know what they are doing and less likely to freak out. Much safer with kids
you do not want to go cheapest when buying a horse, people like you need an older horse who would guide you, not a green rescue project.. i wish you the best but i feel like you lacked a bit of research on what to pay attention to when buying a horse
I had originally subscribed to your channel years ago at somewhere around 500k but it unsubscribed me over the years. I'm glad i came back, a lot of things have changed.
You get what you pay for in many cases. Paying for breeding and training that's gone in from prior responsible breeders/owners. ❤ So happy that you now have 2 horses to enjoy. Helmets! ❤
Always line up vet check with 24 hrs of getting a new horse & keep them separate to your own horses
We tried, horse vets are hard to come by in our area. 7-10 days out. We were waiting on a vet check. Had the vet come for the emergency stitches - which cost a lot extra - and she checked everything out. She thought the wounds were from sitting near some ground bees potentially and that they would heal up.
Sometimes horse dealers let the horse not drink for a couple of days when they know when you come so the horse is very calm. When you take him home, the horse get to drink and becomes himself again and that's when you know the real horse..
Our trainer said he looked dehydrated, so definitely a possibility there.
Ive been watching this vhannel for 3 years, and k love your vids but i really think you should do more research or should ask a profesional on what u should do,like the peacock eggs you couldve hatch so many eggs if you didnt open the incubator fromtime to time.
(Just an opinion dont take it to heart im trying to hate anyone)
Great production through whole episode! Thumbs Up!
Thank you!
Becky, I have seen other horse owners cover the horses face and eyes and lead them into the trailer. Maybe you could try that if you ever have a problem again??
That could make it way worse sadly
its tough to navigate scammers and the lessons we all have to learn.
I wish you guys some luck as well. I love the barn you built. There are awesome horses that are not expensive. It just takes time to find them. I do let my trainer ride a horse before I buy them, but I also need to have a good gut feeling about them.
they all have problems. you just need horses with problems you can handle.
Well...for a green horse you should spend a couple hours with them each day. Hes sounds super fresh but you were told that. NOT SCAMMED. Even if you arent riding them its good to spend a couple hours with them each day. Especially if they are spooky. Do NOT interfere with them placing each other in the pecking order. I would watch PLENTY of documentaries if i were you guys. Get a rope behind the horses butt for GREEN trailer loading. Put the horses HAY inside the trailer for future reference.
Honestly you should for sure take riding lessons more often so you know what your doing
personally, there is so much knowledge to learning about horses and there daily care and needs along with how to correct bad behavior before it goes too far. You'd definitely know how to avoid hurting your horse when he is afraid of something your're introducing him to.
❤ This comment is out of love - please wear helmets! You have young children who depend on you both. Even with a "safe" horse, unexpected things can happen. It only takes a moment to drastically change the trajectory of your life's. ❤ Truly coming from a place of love. ❤
He was definitely drugged when you first got him. He’s too much horse for you guys
Poor Jack, but i'm happy you guys found a horse that's more beginner level. You're living my dream! It's good to watch alot of Utube videos to learn. I like watching them, and I don't even own a horse, but maybe some day!
Gosh, so sorry for this experience you had. I don't know how far away Raleigh Missouri is from you, but JR and Emeri Rosa are excellent breeders and trainer's. They love thier animals, like you do, and take excellent care of them. Thier channel is Homestead Horsemanship. JR is a gold mine of good solid knowledge in the world of horses and they do sell very well trained and gentle horses. They specialize in Missouri Fox Trotters. They are very honest and real. And for the quality of horses they sell, I believe the prices they ask is VERY reasonable. Just by listening to what you have mentioned about your trainer, it sounds like she's probably pretty busy and I think you could use a bit more help in learning about equine care, selection and ownership. A "broken or traumatized horse can take year's to help them recover and a lot of experience and patience from someone who is very experienced. Unfortunate for you, Sterling and Jack. Holiday is a jewel though. Take care, we are very happy you found a good horse! I hope you all come to love him.
Thank you for the recommendation.
Happy to share that with you. You have such busy lives and something that means this much to you and Becky, you need the best help and advice you can get, not criticism, for your sakes and the well-being of your horse's too. Another excellent channel is Free Spirit Equestrian. Shae is all about horses, care, training, selection etc. I think Becky would enjoy that channel if time allows. Wishing your family the very best.
Im telling you the way he looked and acted, that horse was drugged for your visit.
Thank you for sharing your story. You have a beautiful setup. The only thing missing are helmets. You want to be here to enjoy your dream.
You don't now what you are doing. You should get a house that's very trained and tested before you Bye it