Green Beret Reacts to Generation Kill Ep: 4 Combat Jack | Beers and Breakdowns
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2024
- Hope you guys enjoy this episode of Beers and Breakdowns, in this episode we break down Generation Kill Episode 4!
Check us out for vetted selection gear and swag today!
thefngacademy....
Grab your ticket to the seminar and meet the team, spots limited don’t wait!
shop.thefngaca...
Mentorship Podcast Now Live!
open.spotify.c...
Start journaling today with The FNG Academy’s guided journal!
www.amazon.com...
Get fit! Use Code “BUCK” for discount!
www.18afitness...
Leave a review of my book Rising Above if you enjoyed it!
www.amazon.com...
Instagram to say what’s up!
/ seanbuckrogers
Abel
/ abeleditssss
/ fng_kurt
Disclaimer:
Our content is NOT intended as professional advice. We are not medical or legal professionals, any advice received and or acted upon from this channel should be done so at your own risk. We do not encourage anyone to emulate the food challenges we conduct or the consumption of alcohol. The FNG Academy LLC insists that no one recreate or reenact any stunts, or challenges seen on this channel
Opinion Disclaimer. The views and opinions expressed by The FNG Academy TH-cam Channel, including all program participants, are solely their own current opinions regarding events and are based on their own perspective and opinion - it is the opinion and perspective of the interviewees. Such views, opinions, and/or perspectives are intended to convey a life story, are based on recollections about events in their lives on which conflicting memories may exist, and are not intended to malign any individual, religion, ethnic group, or company.
![Warhammer 40k: Space Marine 2 | เพื่อจักรพรรดิ ! [ตอนเดียวจบ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4M0ckYMA4-U/mqdefault.jpg)
Training for the military LE or Fire?! We created the best training tool on the market! Get on the email list to not miss out!
www.thefngacademy.com/
When I first watched Generation Kill, I thought the portrayal of the officers as being so incompetent was unbelievable. I assumed it was because the embedded reporter, who wrote book, was seeing them through the eyes of the grumbling grunts and didn't know any better. I later read Lt. Fick's book about his experience during this time. He said the command problem was because normally recon units operate at the team and platoon levels, attached to other Marine units to perform reconnaissance, and the organizational units above platoon are not combat units but exist for administrative purposes. Therefore, all commanders company-level and above have essentially desk jobs.
In 2003 they tried something new and deployed marine recon to fight as combat units at the battalion level. This thrusted administrative officers into the role of combat officers. Hence, some were out of touch and didn't know basic concepts like what "danger close" is.
HM2 Timothy "Doc" Bryan, the guy who calls Cpt. Schwetje out for his incompetence, was actually the most highly trained of any of them. He was a BUDS graduate, and, was a qualified Special Warfare operator.
From the book: "While Doc Bryan is not technically a Marine, he is a product of the Navy’s most elite special-warfare training and could have chosen to have been placed with either Navy SEALs or a Marine Recon unit. Doc Bryan, who arguably has better combat training than many Recon Marines, is supremely confident of his judgment."
Noice
HM gonna HM.
@@ExUSSailor So, he's a SARC?
@@UnitedStatesofAmerica1984 I think so. mainly because he was with Recon.
"I didn't have a Dad; I didn't know what I was capable of, I wanted to be tested by people I admired."
I don't have the same experience, but that is absolute poetry, dude. Respect!
The real commander is a throat cancer survivor. He speaks like that IRL. He is talking about streamers because he ordered a truck abandoned. It turned out part of the cargo was the battalion colors. The unit was pissed about it.
The irony is the Marines main concern was all the explosives and Ammo left in the truck. The Gunny chastised the driver for leaving the Colors but not the ordinance that could be potentially used against US Forces.
Agreed kinda weird it’s almost like these guys aren’t actually watching the show/ paying attention.
Absolutely agree. I really don’t understand some of the criticism they have unless they just have a thing against Marines.
Well don't abandon EVERYTHING 😂
th-cam.com/video/91ciQtYyfgk/w-d-xo.html
Ruben is a gem.
Ruben says "like" a fucking ton
I remember when I was 21, in 2001, trying to join the marines on the day of 911. However, I was heart broken because I was turned away at the time I had no ged. They turned me away. Since the, I got my Ged, and even went to college. I remember pushing myself very hard ever since then to just do my best and complete everything I start. I just want to say thank you all men, women, & dogs for your service. Gid bless,ove the show. I know all about MO weather! I'm in Jeff.
So what stopped you from joining after getting your GED?
This has to do according to the book because Recon usually operates in small teams without officers. Officers stay behind and just analyze the recons team info. For the invasion they deployed them as battalion size shock troops. Something that the unit was not built for.
First off this is the most accurate depiction of post cold war Marines I have ever seen. Also remember most of these guys already had a combat deployment in Afghanistan they weren't cherries. A few of the officers were as there as well. Where this deployment went sideways was explained in detail during the series. These were recon Marines rolling in vics in a battalion formation were not what they trained or were set up to do. Small unit tactics with NCOs and at most LTs running the show in independent movement (recon) is what they excel at. Most of the company level officers were not combat leaders, but were S-1, S-2, or S-3 type billets before this deployment that is why they were so eager to get in the shit and get those accolades as this would be there one shot to get that recognition to further their careers. This is why they looked so lost in the weeds half the time.
As a support MOS Comm Marine, I can totally relate to Ruben. Some times you get attached to combat units but I joined to be more disciplined and to do my part in getting payback for 9/11. I loved the technical aspect of my job too. I saw just enough mortar and rpg strikes to say I experienced war but not direct combat and I’m totally cool with that.
Back by popular demand "The Ruben", enjoy everyone! please like and subscribe for more!
Dude even my wife liks your channel, and she isn't into anything military themed. You guys are just objectively fun to watch
Oh wtf. I bought this show last night and I'm on ep3 lol
Can you do The Rock with Sean Connery and Nick Cage
He seems like a nice guy, but I don't need him back. He talks too much about himself, and I just don't care about that.
I enjoy buck's stories because I love him, and he's a great storyteller, but this guy just aint. I'm sure he's a great guy though.
In beers and breakdowns I want you to actually talk about the episodes your watching, but it was like 4min spent on talking about the show.
There's a great dynamic between you and Ruben. I've been loving these videos since you started them, I look forward to them every week
I think the reason why they so tick about little things is because they're Recon Marines who are supposed to be elite unit who were into enemy lines & captain america just shooting random cars & Lt calling in danger close airstrikes.
These guys are well trained but they got lucky. Clearing a minefield in the dark? Attacking an airfield with thin-skinned vehicles? (An airfield was known to have armor on site.) They could have suffered staggering casualties.
@@1dirkmanchest To be fair, I read that Lt was more like Pog who is more comfortable in the office in a desk than downrange. This was supposedly his first real experience leading the men into combat and it's like Band of Brothers, sure he's gonna get better but no one willing to take the risk of their life as a gamble to works out.
I read about Captain Sobel and Dike it's sad but if it's my life, I'm not betting these guys in real life. I rather have Winters or Speirs leading even Guarrnea is better commander.
They were captains the LT was trying to stop Captain Encino Man from calling danger close air, it's not about risking it people in service risk their lives all the time especially Infantry but I'm not willing to follow someone who's not willing to learn a man that thinks he knows everything is a man who knows nothing that motherfuker is dangerous LOL
@@1dirkmanchest that was the Colonel's fault in my opinion how you lose the battalions battle streamers that's been carried into battle since like the Korean War Lose supplies this shows shows how toxic leadership can make shit trickle-down Hill
Yeah, their entire unit had no operational experience of working under the direct supervision of anyone above the level of platoon commander.
Their whole organizational culture was based around operating in squad and platoon-sized elements. Having a bunch of captains and colonels running around trying to do be all officer-ey and meddling and trying to one-up each other and issuing contradictory orders - total culture shock for those recon Marines
Seat belts funny story. We had some guys getting license to drive the HMMWV back in the states and one guy's doing his road test and rarely ever drives for some reason. Get's in the vehicle and asks, do we need to wear seat belts. SGT says, "I went 14 months in Iraq without one, I'm sure we'll be fine." Guy starts driving and has some sketchy moments and one moment starts drifting into oncoming. We look over and SGT starts slowly putting his belt on lol.
There’s an actual video of the commander giving that speech, the actors portrayal of him is pretty spot on. Got the voice right and everything
The thing I loved about this series and that hit a little too close to home for me was how it showed that those Humvees were home. I spent years maybe avoiding this show but after you guys watched it, I binged all seven in a row. The next day at work it was a good thing there was nothing really going on, because I was really back in '03 in my head. Two things, their coms were a bit too good, and we used to be vulgar amongst ourselves about the lady warriors, but we loved getting to speak with them so much that we would never have acted towards them like they did in the show.
keep it up brothers. wait all week for beers and breakdowns.
we appreciate you!
What!?!! 200k!? Congratulations y'all! Here's to a million! 🇺🇲🤘🏼
thanks bro!
The lone survivor mission and the taker gah/Roberts ridge seal missions are exactly the result of bad leadership. Lone survivor was supposed to be a company of recon marines, with air support. NSW cock blocked them, ignoring intel just because they wanted seals to get in the fight. They pitched it to devgru who basically said no fucking way. So they went to the regular seal teams. Marcus lutrell was a sdvt guy not even a combat guy. Roberts ridge was the same thing. Intel from cag and the rangers said the mountain was swarming with foreign fighters and was basically impossible to hit without huge casualties. Nsw command again thought they were big dick swingers so decided to hit it. The rangers only went with them because they knew it was a suicide mission and just wanted to back them up. The ranger commander even said they should drop in in the valley and ruck up the mountain. The seal commander britt slabinski overruled them and it went to rat shit.
Lt. Col. Stephen Ferrando (Chance Kelly), who was given the nickname ‘Godfather’ because throat surgery has left him with a harsh, whispery voice.
They were Recon... doing regular infantry roles...
Savage actual just did a generation kill reunion podcast with Rudy Reyes, Ray Persons and another dude i forget who and it was pretty cool. A bit of a window into how reality was compared to the portrayal in the series.
That running thing is so relatable. I made a lot of people laugh in school, every time I was sent to the office my coach would come get me and just say "I got this." God only knows how much kitchen patrol and bleacher runs or just "run until I get tired" I was given lol. My coach was a Marine, I always wanted to be one. I was refused in 03 to even go to MEPS because of a tiny little crack in my spine that I had in my medical records.
Way of the Gun is worthy of a watch and review
we'll check it out
When you started talking about the mindset of joining at 21:00 in I couldn’t have said it better myself. I am in the process of joining the USMC for infantry and that is exactly what I want out of my experience. I couldn’t say that any better than you. I want to be tested and see what I can do.
I think those special dudes were CIA. Which explains why they were so worthless.
This is the perfect laugh to start my summer vacation with.
I will admit this is the first time in a while i gave been crying .... From laughter, Dang guys this is gold. And all the best wishes to all from an army vet from the Royal Danish army.
I started seal team after your first reaction video to it. I’m now 4 seasons deep I need more reactions!!
i just hit season 3 because of them. cant wait to watch more
on it!!
@@FNGACADEMY Fuck yeah! 😎😎
Season six is going to devastate you...
@@smugfrog8111shhhh… 🤫
The dudes from this series (the real life guys) just had a reunion. It was on the channel Savage Actual. Interesting perspectives on the show/book and how they felt about the negative portrayal of some guys.
Buck, you may be one of the greatest recruiters I’ve seen, and I mean that as a compliment. This is the real stuff people need to hear. Honest experience, and not the unnecessary gung ho stuff that so many people will spew. I’m glad I stumbled across this channel (and even though the movie had some unrealistic issues, I appreciate your praise for us Naval Aviators on your Top Gun 2 review haha)
Savage actual was one of the real dudes and just did a reunion vid with Rudy and Ray person and it's great. The all gave huge praise to their corspman doc brian said the guy was a true hitter
Band of Brothers was created by Spielberg & Hanks. The Pacific too I think!
Pacific was awesome. I liked it better. Felt more real as in combat and warfare is just terrible and a waste of life. Band of Brothers felt too hoorah for me.
I remember being in jrotc, I couldn’t wait to get home to watch generation kill, and fantasize my future me in the Marines.
Joe been a FOB for awhile and went to BAF in Afghanistan. The soldier forgot to salute the division commander so order came down that all US soldiers had to salute even on FOBs and COBs in theater. All officers on my FOB said disregard that order cause they didn't want bullet in their skull.
So glad to see him back
Yeah Encino Man was incompetent. Called in artillery < 600 m from blue. Says right in the regs that's danger close = no go.
Really enjoyed and learned a lot from all the reflections. Really thankful for all the analysis.
Good going, again, folks.
Hellz yea!!! Reuben is back, and get ready to laugh your azz off. "Flamingo Day?" "Skipped leg year?" Thanks FNG for getting us through a hot azz summer.
Some can cry on cue, others bust on cue😂😂
Love Generation Kill, and Reuben
I needed this. I’m currently in episode 6 and I wait all week for your reaction. Seeing guys who have been in combat reacting to combat movies just raises my testosterone somehow
Hope you enjoyed it!
@@FNGACADEMY hell yeah I did. I’m still watching
Generation kill is one big cluster fuck of "Who needs enemy when you have ally like that?"
Ruben is so awesome, bring him back!!
Bring him back! Love the idea of brining the guys aside who have words. Much better to get that shit out than let it fester
Jesus Ruben that is the smedium of all smediums if I ever seen 1
Need this dude and Abel to do one alone 😂😂😂 just for lulz pretending to be you and Kurt
lmao love that idea! just mocking us the entire time! that is happening!
@@FNGACADEMY hell yeah!! That would be rad. Do it for terminal list to save your sanity 😂😂
@@FNGACADEMYyes… definitely needs to happen!!!
@@FNGACADEMY plz!
Marine veteran here (2003-2015). My first two deployments were to Iraq with a Headquarters Support Battalion and sadly the officer leadership had us enlisted folks constantly nodding our heads in disappointment; like WTF are these cats prioritizing?
But then I went to Afghanistan with a Marine Special Operations Company and my leadership was nothing less than absolutely awesome, officer and senior enlisted alike.
The polaris story is classic bad leadership. You need to know when people need a why for an order. If that leader explained that more irrecoverable casualties were being caused by vehicle accidents than the enemy, might have shifted the perspective. Plate carriers stop bullets, seat belts stop neck trauma from roll overs
I know this is 10mo after the video but, you gotta think about how most of these Marines signed up in peace time. Back when we trained to fight one of the Big Red threats. Everything was “eat lead for breakfast, kill kill kill”. By the time war eventually came around, that mentality was most of what officers knew about fighting. Gung-ho was the default position as most anyone at the time had 0 real life combat experience.
The show is a pretty solid copy of Evan Wright’s book of the same name. He’s the reporter in the show, who really did embed with the marines in…whatever year that was
From my understanding, Encino Man and up would not normally be in the field with the other marines
This was a therapeutic conversation.
The stones it took to say "Frankly sir, you're incompetent." was a lot, but it also took a lot of strength from that officer to not blow up or freak out like he could have at insubordination, but he had the self-awareness to realize that fuck, I am fucking up, we all are, let's all do better.
That doc is legendary lol 😂😂😂
12:32 real talk! I've directly addressed a COL about how things are being done willy nilly and have different SOP's for the same missions, and it's confusing and overly complex. He agreed with me, liked my solution to streamline and homogenize the SOP, but, and this is a big but, there's different BC's who don't want to play nice and push back on following the SOP, so they argue until they can do something trivial slightly differently. It's so stupid.
So, they actually got in more fights than is shown in the show, and they had a lot of problems. This is definitely a show that requires you to read the book to get a better perspective on what’s going on, because they left a LOT of shit out.
Exactly 💯
Definitely I read the book just after the series aired and it was an eye opener, how much was skipped over.
@@DonnaCPunk i had watched the series a few times before I read the book, then right after I watched again and it was DEFINITELY eye opening to see things in the show reference the book and realize just how much had happened between the scenes
Keep going guys, really enjoying this series.
I think you have to keep in mind this is the initial invasion where everyone was under the impression Sadam had WMDs.. my father was infantry with the 82nd in 2003 and deployed for the initial invasion. I heard many crazy stories and got the impression it was mostly a shit show as many of the SOPs were being invented as they went.
I would have been getting really strong if I went through basic with Ruben 😂😂😂😂. Do be killing me. When he said that his drill sergeant skipped leg year,😂😂😂😂 I was done
“He skipped leg year” 🤣🤣🤣
“Bottle of booze and your friends doesn’t cost much” -Able
I’ll drink to that sir 🍻
"Skipped Leg Year." LM_O lol.
@21:23 This is the realist thing I've heard from another man. And I haven't even finished listening to you what you have to say. But as someone who's grown up without a father. Having to pick and choose my role models. Not really knowing what I am made of. Or what I can be made into. I feel as if I'm attracted to the military because of the discipline. The fitness, the integrity towards it. And the camaraderie between people who you trust with your literal lives. It must be incredible. I appreciate your truth telling Sean. I'm definitely not a killer. But I'm attracted the to strength, the authority, and decisiveness of the military. And I really like your videos and the guests you have on them.
-Love from a fan
Reminds me of Charlie Sheen's character in the Film Platoon. He grew up a fairley wealthy family and went to College. But decided to join the Army cause he felt bad that the poor kids were the ones getting drafted in Vietnam to get shot up. Thanks for you time. And as always...Hold Fast My Friends
they actually thought he was a crusader. in that movie Lt Wolfe DEFINITELY was a crusader
he had throatcancer in real life and actually sounds like that
I joined infantry in 2011 and didn't deploy I was national guard. The only branch that would waive my Marijuana possession. I tried going active duty bit my unit wouldn't let me
"He skipped leg year." More Ruben, please.
Drinking game: take a shot everytime he says "like". The first person to make it through the video without passing out and eating the floor wins my undying admiration.
I think comparing Band of Brothers and Generation Kill is totally fair, they are both military shows, sure.. but, they are trying to tell COMPLETELY different stories. Gen Kill is far more of an 'everyman' story, and tries to show people what the day to day life was of the soldiers first entering the GWOT, the struggles they had, the deficiencies in the military at the time, how ill prepared they were for the environment, etc. While BoB is far more of a heroic story of some total f'n studs who changed history and played a big part in some of the most insane operations in history. I really enjoyed both, but BoB is definitely more of a 'hollywood' viewing experience, while GK has more of that introspective/reflective HBO style, where things are a bit slower and it tries to depict more of the nuance and small stuff related to the experience of the invasion.
when you see the aftermath of combat, does it make you regret being to eager to see it? seeing your guys coming home in caskets or seeing them coming home with limbs missing.
We as civilians forget that not all those in the military go to combat. Every job is important. We need mechanics and cooks too. Some people just needed a job. That’s cool too.
Ok, l love this guy. Funny, cool dude.
Yo if you arent already familiar the channel Savage Actual does similar stuff to yours, one of the hosts Jason Lily was one of the Marines in the company this show is based on. IIRC the character with the camcorder plays his part. Also the dude Rudy is a legit recon Marine who was also in it, playing himself
I get that its been awhile since you watched the Episode, but Doc was having a come apart when Encino was getting set to call in a Danger Close artillery strike, just because Godfather gave Capt. Patreson an ataboy during a brief for doing that and getting it right.
Doc obviously didn't forgive him for that.
Sgt Maj "Bob", 4th I.D., in FOB Falcon, next to BIAP, would stop MRAP's outside the wire and make them open up so he could see if people were wearing their seat belts.
Where was Juba when you actually WANTED him to show up?
You got me at "leg year"
"Be frank" means the guy has no clue what's coming...
Maybe review Flags of our Fathers & Letters From Iwo Jima, underrated Clint Eastwood directed film and brutally honest depictions.
Paths To Glory. The Wire. Generation Kill.
All the events in the show actually happened tho lol
Also, people forget that this show takes place during the invasion ('03) and dynamics were veeeerry different from Afghanistan or even later on during the year in Iraq. Dynamics in terms of who the Marines had to work with (there was no training for those volunteers and former soldiers/policemen).
@spins321 I was there for the invasion. I think the show absolutely nailed both life in the marine corps (it IS different) and the invasion 1000% accurately. When he said they had hardly "got into anything" in the invasion tho, I had to laugh. Dude obviously didn't read the book. That recon battalion was HIGHLY Decorated for their actions in the invasion...and spoiler alert...there WAS action lol. It wasn't continuous like in 06 but there was definitely shit going on and bodies being stacked on both sides. Love Generation Kill!
@@SemperFi_EDC_Guy Also, if I remember correctly, those dudes had been pulled from Afghanistan, right? Also, the mission of Recon and how the battalion as a whole was tasked to push straight through to Baghdad was not something they trained to.
You're right, without reading the book, alot of this may seem a bit mushy as far as the mission (and the seemingly lack of combat), but the portrayal of the culture and lifestyle is 100. Even the shit about the colors... Semper!
@spins321 you are absolutely correct! They did a bunch of what their core mission set is in Afghanistan. At least one deployment. I believe the 2 recon battalions rotated from 2001 to 2003 in Afghanistan. So they were actually already pretty steeped in the battlefield culture prior to Iraq. Semper fi!
*also, Savage Actual had a "Generation Kill reunion" on his channel 6 days recounting some of the things that battalion went through talking with Rudy Reyes & Savage Actual. Really great podcast!
Just graduated from infantry OSUT and everyone there has heard of you!
As someone who loves how special forces is able to operate with a good bit of autonomy, I wonder if you think the rest of the military should be ran closer to that way, to include MICOs and other support units, not just infantry downrange or combat units downrange.
I know as a MICO we had to do a fair bit of esprit de corps bullshit with the engineer battalion battalion we were attached to but it annoyed is bc we were for the most part damn good at what we do, but sometimes were stepped on by the good idea fairy from command. Command who hasn't done our jobs in at least a decade.
Rubens drill instructor must have been the stunt double for the seagull
"If i wanted to get shot at, I would've stayed in L.A." imma remember that
I haven't seen this one, I'll use you guys as a review to see if I want to watch it.
Bought the ruck and I've already had about 10 ppl ask me where I got the badass ruck trainer from when I'm out on the trails.
I know you guys don't do the video game stuff as much but I would really love to hear your personal take and see your reaction on some Six Days in Fallujah gameplay. As well as maybe hear your thoughts good and bad on the "controversy". Been playing it everyday this week and played with MANY veterans...it's deffinately a next level video game as far as atmospheric realism, but ultimately it is a game. Several times I have spent as much time in the lobby talking to them as we did actually playing the game.
I thought you were on HAMBURGER HILL!??? You guys remind me of hangin with my brother and his PD and Army buds. We lost him in Afg in 2012. So Thanks for the great memories!!
You guys should do a extra long beers and breakdowns covering the 1993 movie Gettysburg.
Most of the movie is inaccurate. It's based off of a novel.
You guys should see if you can get Jason from savage actual on for the next beers and breakdown, he's a former raider who was present in the events of the show, his character is shown as Jason lilley
The events depicted in Gen Kill took place right at the beginning of the war. So there wasn't a lot of combat experience in the leadership.
I love Generation Kill but being a civilian I assumed the gap between the Officers and the Marines was exaggerated for dramatic purpose (Encino Man and Captain America couldn't have been that crazy right?). Then I found out what an absolute shit stain Sixta is in real life and now I'm not so sure.
Good to go dude
Ruben is awesome he had Me engaged the whole time even though yall barely reacted to the video
I think you guys need to get together with the guys from savage actual. One of the guy in savage actual was in this unit that is portrayed in this mini series Generation Kill. I think it would be a great podcast.
You guys should do episode about Mosul movie.
They already did.
Comment on you guys' opening dialogue: There's a group round table with the real Marines, and the author of the book, discussing the series' heavy duty bashing of command. They all said the same basic thing as you two, it did go a little overboard. But they also said it wasn't exactly dishonest, either. LOL
Some men can do it without touching, it's a mind game and a lot of muscle tension. I can do it. Takes a little abstinence before and a little time to relax. And a vivid fantasy. 😇
What other episode was Ruben on FNG?
Yo, the show is based on an article in rolling stone and a book written by a journalist that was embedded with 5he Marines. Also, this was the first weeks of the war, so No Buck, those freedom. Fighters weren’t trained for years. My guy, did you not understand the year that this story takes place. Also, this applies to why command was so jacked for combat. And lastly, these are Marines. Division Recon. Near,y all their missions involve water and patrolling and they are driving trucks in the desert, which is why they are out of their element.
20:02 his character had throat cancer, that’s why the voice