I had a hell of a Battlestar fleet for that final mission. I was actually able to save Columbia. I fired every single missile I could from my Battlestars at the two base ships above it And I sent every viper I had to cover Columbia. I actually pulled it off and Columbia was heavily damaged but they were okay...... But then the mission just froze there The story is dependent on Columbia being destroyed. I felt so disappointed. I was hoping that they would have written an alternative script in the mission if you happen to save Columbia and the cylon still do the armistice but you're able to save the ship. I had to restart the mission and let Columbia be destroyed In order to finish the game.
@@grigss3027 It didn't - he didn't react at all. And counting reaction time and accelleration, none of the other pilots would've managed to get more than a couple dozen metres further away from Columbia.
Not happening. It's just too good. Sci-fi (SyFy) murdered franchises to no end, like what happened to The Expanse. Nobody watches that network anymore. Effectively dead.
NBC/Universal recently announced that they're developing another Battlestar Galactica series for their upcoming Peacock streaming service. From my understanding, it's supposed to be set in the Ron Moore Galatica timeline. Hope to see a continuation of the Blood & Chrome storyline.
I know its just a show and this didn't happen, but damn that transmission at 1:22, that officer knows his ship is about to die and he is about to die and yet he is at his post warning off his fellow servicemen to save their lives. Gives me chills.
This actually happened in real life. During the Halifax Explosion, a train dispatcher, Vince Coleman, remained at his post to warn incoming trains to stay out of the explosion's range. He was killed, but saved who knows how many. This was during the first World War. the ship that exploded was carrying nearly 3 kilotons of explosive and destroyed the whole city port.
izzad ibrahim During the battle of Jutland a turret was hit on one of the battle cruisers and the sole survivor in the turret called down to the magazine to have it flooded and prevented the ship from exploding like two others had done. He had lost both legs and used the little time he had to save the ship instead of trying to save himself through any first aid / tourniquet application etc.
at end of battle there was not only fire but huge smoke/leak from rear of the ship,perhaps there was critical fuel leak? the first detonation was near flight pod,second from inside of ship. maybe viper fuel lines ignited main ship lines and boom.
Imaging how that must've felt for the air group, including Adama. Everyone they had served with for months, even years - their comrades, friends, even lovers, their entire home - gone in an instant.
It reminds me of the scene in Memphis Belle when the bomber Mother and Country was cut in half and going down, and all the Radio Operator could hear was the scream of his friend who was the other Radio Operator as it is plummeting to the ground and slowly the signal cuts out. I'd like to think that was an homage to it. Great touch in both movies.
@Daniel Stetson Bit late, but whatever. Eddie Olmos has brown eyes, yes. Adama has blue eyes. Olmos wears contacts to resemble Jamie Bamber so that it is not totally implausible that these two portrait father and son.
1:37, the garbled screams coming across his frequency is so chilling. After watching three seasons with a ship exactly like that, capable of carrying some three thousand crew men and women, and then watching one explode with all hands lost. Imagine the terror of being aboard and not totally obliterated in the explosion. Imagine the number of screams on every frequency, not just his. I guess this is a sign of great show writing. From the viewers point of view, battlestars never die, and watching it happen is disturbing.
+Sam The only other times you see a Battlestar destroyed (not simply the wreckage), is when Pegasus is martyred, and it is abandoned, and when Scorpion Shipyards are attacked, but even then... you don't hear the screams.
How did the Columbia get destroyed??? The Galactica took far more damage in the series run and (mostly) survived despite losing much of it's structural integrity. I'm guessing the main reactor was ruptured causing a Nuke scale explosion from within the Battlestar tearing the Vessel apart in all directions. A similar fate would have befallen Galactica in the Pilot Miniseries had Colonel Tigh not vented several Hull compartments when they were filled with fire that nearly ignited the fuel lines.
Richard Ched I think the Cylons could have boarded the Columbia and destroyed her in a suicide attack. They downed her defense grid then went for the magazines. That explosion looked like her magazines went up then her reactors followed. You heard someone on the comms saying to “Stay away from Colombia airspace, stay away now.” So someone on board realized what was gonna happen and tried to save the escorting fighters from the blast. It’s absolutely horrific to think about 2500,3000 men and women being gone in an instant.
@@admiraltiberius1989 that actually sounds pretty awesome (And very likely). But wouldn't someone have reported that the ship had been boarded? It was only a minute or 2 between the Columbia's defenses being shut down and her eventual destruction. Its destruction was unexpected that much was clear. The Columbia seemed to be more prestigious than the Galactica at the time (And was probably the Flagship of the operation) The Galactica only gained it's "Legendary" status among the Colonies because it was one of the only Battlestars of the initial 12 to survive the war and avoid retirement for 40 years.
Battlestar Columbia knew they were going to blow up at the last couple of seconds they said over the radio for any friendly fighters to break away , to stay clear so they wouldn't get caught in the blast.
most likely they were partially disabled by CNP hack so they could not vent the flaming area of ship,better to sacrifice some people and vent compartment than let fire touch ammo magazine or fuel lines...also columbia turrets were all dead and immobile, none was boarded by crew,all in zero position so must been CNP virus activated.
@@stratiosastero6880 I must say that this way before the introduction of the CNP, ABOUT 40 Years prior. for more see my answer to your comment under the comment from kar259
I was under the impression Columbia was rushed into war and didn't have nearly the same defense or offense capabilities as the Galactica and that is what contributed to it's destruction, something I read along time ago can't remember the source but still a good explanation in my opinion
@@swagginmcjaggin1078 If I remember correctly she had all the original defenses of a galactica battlestar but during the war others received more guns where the columbia did not and was rolled out "stock". So, she didn't have the same defenses but she was completed.
@@ONW4V3R She was complete, but we know that Galactica had shortcuts taken during construction (stress fractures in her structural members that Tyrol needed to use the Cylon paste on), so similar shortcuts could have been taken on Columbia that proved to be more fatal. She was taking heavy fire dorsal amidships... one or two structural failures and boom.
I always found that final scream of the crew of Columbia quite harrowing. It never really occurs to you when a ship like that blows apart, it’s big enough that people in there will survive for a while after.
Sadly, it’s a bit like the Challenger disaster. Many years later, they tell us that most of the crew survived the blast and were alive most of the way down.
reminds me of some of the battleships sunk in the attack on pearl harbour, they could hear banging on the hull from surviving crew for days after, sadly they couldn't get to them
It’s too bad they didn’t cast him in Blood and Chrome. Better for the role than Luke Pasqualino. And his casting would’ve kept the continuity intact. I believe the actor’s name is Nico Cortez
Notice the nod to the original series @0.27 in the way both vipers fly past, it's a direct CGI copy of the most used Viper clip used in the Original BSG series.
The shot of the columbia being destroyed is one of the most chilling destruction scenes i've ever witnessed, They really pull you in with the screams of the crew. That in my memory is the first time that was done in a sci fi show or movie. It adds realism and terror that just blowing the ship up can't get across.
It reminded me of the scene from the 1990 movie Memphis Belle, where one of the other B-17s - Mother and Country is cut in half and you hear the crew on the radio as both sections of the plane fall to the ground. That was what I first thought of when I saw this scene.
The younger version of Adama in Razor seems well cast - he could almost be a younger Edward James Olmos - similar features, more so than the younger version we see in Blood and Chrome.
@@TwistedSisterHaratiofales No, Buddy Olmos was in the series, not this flashback. Buddy was in the same “nugget” cohort as Kat, in the first batch of pilot recruits trained by Starbuck. The producers joked that this actor looked more like young Eddie Olmos than his actual son Buddy did.
@@TwistedSisterHaratiofales Here’s Buddy launching first during the Adama Maneuver. He must take from his mom? th-cam.com/video/NOAHEDr7QEk/w-d-xo.html
The scene where he pulls the double 180 in atmosphere is still one of the coolest scenes in the series. What I wouldn’t give to get my hands on a Viper
First time I saw Battlestar Columbia been destroyed, I paused the movie and I was sitting there speechless and still tryiing to understand what happened. It was so realistic that I considered it as a real thing. Made me sad for that loss. Since then I am wondering. How it was like being inside the columbia as it destroyed? How the crew of her was acting while hearing their screams from wireless? Gods it must be very hard scene to imagine.
Yea.. you think them "good guy's having near invincible supperior ships... think again. The first war was CLOSE AF! Them older Basestars even had Gun artilery equiped on them. Also the entire battle lastet quiet some time so ofc. if they focus one of the Columbia's is gonna give in. 3v3, the last battle of the war and OFC. only then the Colonials lose a single battlestar. Even then the Toasters knew Colonials are outpowering them big time ship to ship so they developed the hacking plan. Without that, in a slugout? Those 120 Battlestars would have SLAUGHTERED the Toasters for good.
I couldn't imagine the pain and fury Adama had when he heard those screams when Columbia went up. Not even able to make it to any escape pods (if any were available). That's why Adama was so protective of his people and ship. This destruction reminded him that your ship and crew are your responsibility. And to watch an entire Battlestar die with all hands. I can understand the hatred he had for the Cylons. But it was repeated and put to the test decades later. With Saul Tigh. Adam's oldest and dearest friend. Saul's people were the 13th Colony to leave long before the Galeon left Kobol carrying all of humanity. He suffered watching his own version of the Cylons die at the hands of their Centurions. The final five remaining Cylons on a desperate quest to find the Colonies and warn them about the development of Artificial Life. And to find that about your best friend? I'm amazed it didn't send Adama completely over the edge. Adama was a man who walked with the "Shadow of Death" and often called it his only friend.
Edit: As an anecdotal observation I wonder if Columbia went up because of the damage? Or an additional Cylon nuke struck it? Or something even worse? Did Columbia actually attempt despite the damage to jump to FTL? And the sheer shock of it caused Columbia to explode? Part of a battlestar's FTL is near the area Columbia seems to explode.
At 1:11 the way they shake the camera and the face that you know it's real ammunition impacting on the ships hull really allows you to feel the stress the hull is being put under it doesn't just look like a pretty little light show you get when you lasers hitting other ships in other Sci-Fi shows
It's stock footage from Miniseries when Galactica is also hit by Missiles. You can tell by the red colonial insignia on the Hull (The Columbia had a blue insignia)
@@richardched6085 id like to think they used the stock footage for the damage Galactica suffered on this engagement, she was there after all, but, it was probably as you said, re-used footage of the Miniseries, for the final momentos fo Columbia
I believe it can also achieve escape velocity meaning it can push more than 11.2 kilometers per second. And while in space it's standard speed (acceleration) is 90 meters per second. Mk II good ship...
@@richardched6085 well... you need more than 9.81ms^-2 of acceleration to escape earth's gravity pull at sea level, the higher you go the less acceleration you need. Why 9.81ms^-2? Because that's the strength the earth pulls us towards its core (at sea level).
Man just like the original series where the fleet consisted of the Galactica and the Columbia where they were all identical ships in this remake it appears the same the Galactica and the Columbia were both Jupiter Class Battlestars.
Man after the destruction of the Columbia wouldn't it have been ironic that the BattleStar Galactica came to pick up the surviving vipers and they're pilots including it's future commander Adama now that would really have been something.
The officer warning at 1:22 , i think that a catastrophic Magazine detonation caused the demise of Columbia. Probaly in most Battlestar loss cases, it got engaged, hit pretty hard, weapons and propulsion disabled and the crew ordered to abandon ship, just like most major warship losses in WW1 and WW2 Yet the rare and catastrophic thing to happen is a magazine detonation(HMS Hood, SMS Seydlitz), as you can see Columbia is hit on the top part near the Main battlestar artillery cannons. The explosion, while difficult to say, seems to happen at first in this location. It makes sense that the magazines are located in that area to feed the artillery cannons. It could also be the compliment of Missiles, both conventional and nuclear Thus, my THEORY, is that Columbia was lost because of a very rare cause. Any ship, real life or sci-fi, will do everything to protect its magazines. This bone chilling scene does remind you that anything, no matter how powerfull, can meet its demise
I agree with your theory. During this sequence, you can see Columbia's dorsal artillery batteries destroyed and on fire. Keep in mind that there is no oxygen (or any other gas that can burn) in open space, so that wasn't your "usual" flame. Something had burned. Something very very bad. It is likely that, at some point during the engagement, protection bulkheads separating those artillery turrets from their ammo storages were destroyed or simply failed. Thus, fire was able to spread and either get to the magazine directly, or cause detonation by heating up the compartment filled with shells to the point that they exploded. Crew, particularly people in CIC, knew of this situation onboard (there is an automated system notifying CIC of fires, shown in early episodes of the series) and thus had the time to warn all nearby Vipers to retreat.
Problem with any warship. You always carry enough munition's to destroy yourself. I'm sure the Battlestars were designed to protect their munition stores, but an out of control fire or lucky hit, and boom.
Yeah that's almost certainly the case. The main explosion looks to have originated toward the back end of the 'alligator head' portion. That's also where the vertical nuclear launch tubes are on Galactica, so either way I think ordnance detonation. 😑
She had been pounded to oblivion in that battle for a considerable length of time before she went bang, her weapons were out, her point defence was out....
Your theory does seem valid, I will point out, that the examples of SMS Seydlitz is a bit off, she had a flash fire on ther super firing aft turret during that raid and ALMOST had the aft magazine go off, but the crew managed to close the flash doors and flood the magazine before the fire could reach it. HMS Invinsible, HMS Indefatigable, HMS Queen Mary, all three went down due to magazine detonations (either flash fires started at a turret or direct penetration to the magazine). All three combined having less than 2 dozen survivors amongst them, and the armored cruisers HMS Defense and HMS Warrior also going doing with all hands due to magazine detonation, and SMS Pommern going down as well after a torpedo set off her secondary magazine.
When you hear those scream over the wireless...man, that's chilling. There was a similar scene in "Memphis Bell" when a B-17 loses a tail and the fuselage spins down out of control. Anyway...I remember in "Valley of Darkness" Lee saying that sickbay was a disaster shelter, designed to act as a survival pod in case the ship was lost. It was capable of being sealed off as we saw in the episode. If that ever happened during the first Cylon war they would need Colonial forces to locate and rescue them, but it would be a chance. Just speculation but there could have been survivors from Columbia.
The only reason they were using Mark 2's in season 1 was because they were old and outdated - they hadn't recieved the CNP upgrade that the Cylons used to shut down the modern Viper Mark 7's.
I loved the original Galactica when i was a wee lad and when i heard they were remaking it i thought oh here goes! But i have never been as wrong as what i was when i thought it was going to be an injustice to the original, they blew it out the water in every way, it's the best tv show i have ever seen, with the exception of Game of thrones, but they are two different shows altogether but being a sci fi geek Battlestar wins hands down lol. So say we all!
How the Columbia was destroyed was either by the Magazine due to being caught on fire or by the fuels lines catching fire and going to the main fuel tanks, frankly i would rather die by the Magazine explosion then by the ship exploding from the fuel tanks.
The fuel tanks exploding would lead to a far less painful death as it's the Fusion Reactor exploding (Like a Nuke) rather than ammunition in a single Turret exploding causing slow but sure destruction to the vessel.
@@tachy1801 wouldn't it take a Nuclear Explosion to spread the Battlestar Hull chunks that violently? (And also account for the burning debris) The Hull can take repeated ordinance strikes making a simple magazine explosion unlikely to break the Hull (And even if it did it probably wouldn't spread apart that fast) this is just a theory.
Oh man, 1:42 where you can hear the sounds over the radio of the people on Columbia dying and the screams...really intense. They should do another series between Caprica and BSG where they have the first Cylon War! I mean, I'd love to see more of the classic ships in these kinds of space battles!
I'd love to see the first Cylon war, too, though it would probably be too expensive to show much combat. I also wouldn't mind if they change it so either side might win.
I know this is a very old thread, but I wanted to point out a possible fault in the Jupiter Class Battlestar, and the Columbia at large. Did you see where the fire was? It was aft of the normal amidship Colonial Seal (Speculation is that it's a relief of Nike, the Goddess of Victory with her wings out). The fire implies that Columbia's armor was compromised near their primary Tylium tanks. Tylium (Possibly liquid hydrogen or another yet undiscovered element) is extremely volatile and the sheer heat of fires around it, is known to cause Tylium to become unstable and explode. What was puzzling, is that Columbia did not attempt an FTL jump to clear out from the Cylon assault. Instead they seemed to opt to perhaps provide firepower to the other ships as a task force. Or the other vessels (Piscon or Atlantia) were damaged and unable to continue firing, so Columbia took the damage and insured the survival of the remaining ships. A truly brave end. But could you have imagined if Columbia tried to jump and failed? Wrecked suddenly shifted from one state to another?
If you saw the old series, the Cylons would always try to ram the landing bays. Viper munitions and fuel lines ran from those directly to the heart of the ships reserve fuel tanks. There is an episode "Fire in Space" where Galactica suffers catastrophic internal fire from just such an attack. Now, looking at the Schematics of the battlestar (Mercury class) and this clip, we can see that the fuel storage is running along the length of the ship from the head to about the mid section and also aft to just behind the head. We can also see that the nuclear missile launchers are in close proximity. The head of the ship is where the crews general quarters are. Along the top of the ship are the FTL 1 and FTL 2 core and sink drives and that was where the main focus of the attack seemed to be, the upper surface. Likely those were knocked out to prevent escape. Judging by the detonation, it was munitions likely cause by a catastrophic breach of the fuel lines. At 1:09 you can see heavy missile strike hitting the landing bay and midships right on the main Tylium storage tanks. Remember the old series? Why Tylium caught fire, it took out a planet (Carilon)
Anyone remember the t.v. series set in the BattleStar Galactica universe where it showed the development and rise of the Cylons wouldn't it have been neat if they did a t.v. series of what happened during the war that lead to rise of the most famous and legendary Battlestar of all time the BattleStar Galactica.
Actually, it's been on youtube for almost 10 years. It was initially blocked in the US but then the block was lifted so i guess viewers can watch it again.
Been looking at the comments about Columbia's destruction. I think Columbia and the other vessels Cylon's included were probably in the firefight for quite a while. Its likely she was already suffering battle damage and the Cylon's likely focused on specific parts of the ship likely hoping to nail a vital part. In this case her upper spine, you do indeed see fire coming from the middle top of the ship so its likely the cylon's already nailed several volleys into her hull and she was probably already dying but was too stubborn of a ship until the magazine's and power-plant finally blew. If only we saw more instances or visuals of the Cylon war.
Sounds right. Given how more powerful Battlestars are compared to Basestars. It's likely the Cylons had at most 6 Basestars at the beginning of the Battle. 3 of which were obviously destroyed when the video began.
In the Deadlock game it's standard procedure to focus on one section of a ship to break through the tough candy coating and get at the juicy goodness inside. It's also standard for the targeted ship to turn and present fresh armor to the enemy.
I don't understand. How can Columbia's defenses be down? Every turret and Anti-Air gun is manually operated by a crew. You would have to destroy every turret to disable their defenses. Which would mean destroying the ship. Even the AA wasn't firing. Columbia's armor doesn't even look that damaged. Just the upper area Has any damage. Even Galactica at the end of the show still had turrets firing even when Galactica was on the verge of being destroyed. So I don't understand how Columbia is just sitting there taking hits and not firing back.
if you watch carefully you can see parts of the ship intact maybe the radio is comms traffic from the survivors of those intact parts before they too preished seconds later just a idea like
Decompression, Asphyxiation, Fragmentation, Incineration, Evisceration, Vaporization, Disintegration, Blunt Force Trauma..... Many ways to die on board the Battlestar Columbia. Those crewmen had a combination of some of these effects.
Wait a second. The Columbia was defenseless, and the Vipers were told to protect it, but unlike the pilots at the Galactica 4 decades later, Husker and the others go after the Raiders, leaving the ship being hit repeatedly by misiles. They should have focused on stopping those, and maybe they wouldn't had a battlestar less.
No fighter can intercept anti-ship missiles. True then, true today. That’s why our warships have flak screens and CIWS guns, as well as air-defense escort cruisers and destroyers. Columbia’s guns were down so at this point she was defenseless. In atmosphere missiles can go Mach 3. In space they’re under constant acceleration when their engines are lit. No fighter can chase after those.
@@andrewnlarsen that is true, but I think they missiles were doing more damage, and at least they should focus on the raiders that were around the ship. Seems to me like the Cylon's strategy was to get the Columbia defenseless by overwhelming their flak barrier with nukes, and distracting the Vipers by baiting them with the Raiders, and it worked.
I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see a NEW BSG series about how the First Cylon War began. Too bad there are big writers and actors strikes going on in Hollywood (and elsewhere, AFAIK), so now, it could be DECADES before ANY new BSG material comes out of Universal Studios. What a CRYING SHAME!!! 😭
This may just be the best sci-fi action sequence yet made on any format. It has it all. PS at 4:08 it's Sarah Connor destroying the Terminator all over again.
I'm picturing a Cylon War era Centurion in the Terminator's place... Cylon Centurions are made of frakking Tin-Foil lol. Kyle Reese or Sarah Connor could have easily destroyed a Centurion with just 1 Shotgun Blast (Or a good solid club)
Yup 10 years. It was recently unblocked by TH-cam in the US. So now it's viewable again so I guess people started commenting again. You can check the publish date which is set to May 21, 2008.
How many people now, this ending scene of the colombia at 1:34 is a great reference to the "Mother and Country" scene from the war-movie "Memphis Belle"? th-cam.com/video/djIvmaYI9LQ/w-d-xo.html
I hate to say it but with the original Galactica the Battlestar Columbia's destruction happened so fast that the crew didn't even have time to scream and like they say in the series 'May the Lords of Khobol watch over all those poor souls and give them peace' 'SO SAY WE ALL'.
In BSG Deadlock: 2 Basestars (Total Casualties) vs 3 Jupiters (No Casualties) In BSG: 2 Basestars (No losses) vs 3 Jupiters (1 Explodes) Cylons must have gotten Slitherine to nerf the Jupiters.
@@Ryan_Christopher The Columbia was still obliterated just moments before the Armistice was signed and Admiral Sarkis's Fleet wide transmission. That's one Jupiter-II against 2 Basestars... Ingame that would be an overwhelming victory for the Columbia. Yet those same 2 Basestars slugged it out with 3 Jupiters while pummeling the Columbia in the actual Razor Flashback scene (No support ships were seen).
@@richardched6085 I don't care what the game or this flashback says. Engaging baseships within visual range of your battlestars make no sense. Remember the Battle of Midway? Carrier Battle Groups engage each other beyond visual range, letting their fighters and bombers do the actual fighting against their enemy ships. The flashback gets around that principle by saying "the Columbia has lost her defenses," meaning that her flak screens were down on top of losing her own Vipers to enemy action, without explaining why or how she's within missile range of the cylons in the first place. That's not nerfing the Jupiters, it's just plain bad writing. And in the original series the flagship battlestar Atlantia got whacked too, and back then there was no CNP hack to explain how the battlestars were vulnerable to attack. If that was the inspiration for this scene then that means the Jupiter-class isn't as formidable as Deadlock would have you believe. Maybe the Columbia got out-maneuvered, maybe her commander engaged in inferior tactics. Whatever the reason it is not unreasonable to believe two baseships and her fighters can engage and destroy one battlestar before turning their attention to another. This is a battle in orbit after all, and the rules of orbital mechanics don't always favor who has the more battlestars in the immediate battlespace. Where they are during the battle counts more.
@@Ryan_Christopher You bring up lots of good points. Maybe the Basestars FTL jumped around Columbia and disabled it's defenses and FTL Drive with a single rapid precision strike. Columbia would have no way of getting out of that. Basestars carry 300 Raiders each (Which means that at most 600 were strafing the hull). The Galactica and 2 other Jupiter Battlestars were quite a distance away when this occurred. I think that Deadlock sorely overestimated the power of the Jupiter Battlestar. It was a Battleship/Carrier. Not a super duper Warship. The Columbia was clearly separate from the 3 Jupiters seen in the establishing shot (Meaning that there were 4 present). The OG Atlantia was destroyed by 1000+ Cylon Raiders (Dozens of which made suicide runs detonating Solonite explosives and firing their Laser Cannons within the Flight Pods. They attempted to do the same to Galactica in "Fire in Space" and actually succeeded in setting fire to it's Flight Pod and severely damaged it's bridge. Battlestars are notoriously vulnerable to Fighter attacks (Especially if they are equipped with 50 Kiloton Nuclear Warheads which was rare). The Columbia was more armored than the Galactica and had less point defense turrets.
Knowing what these Battlestars can tank/dish out and how many fighters were engaging in succsessful combat I just gotta wonder who fraked this mission up like that?! Losing a Battlestar?! You couldnt win the fight? couldnt jump out before the situation got critical?
It was likely due to the Cylons focusing on the Columbia with a majority of their attacks. Taking out the enemy flagship is a massively effective way to demoralize them.
I don't understand. How can Columbia's defenses be down? Every turret and Anti-Air gun is manually operated by a crew. You would have to destroy every turret to disable their defenses. Which would mean destroying the ship Even Galactica at the end of the show still had turrets firing even when Galactica was on the verge of being destroyed.
Adama taking on the Centurion with a pipe is nod to the BSG miniseries when he is attacked by Leoben and finally gets the upper hand. So while he might not fly vipers anymore, you’d never bet against Adama in any fight!
I don't understand. How can Columbia's defenses be down? Every turret and Anti-Air gun is manually operated by a crew. You would have to destroy every turret to disable their defenses. Which would mean destroying the ship Even Galactica at the end of the show still had turrets firing even when Galactica was on the verge of being destroyed.
To bad they never continued with Blood and Chrome....Would love to see the first Cylon war with Adama as the lead! It needs to happen ASAP! SO SAY WE ALL!!
Everyone is sad for the Columbia, but can you imagine the death that occurred on the sneak attack from the pilot movie? Battlestars, support ships, shipyards and the cities... all gone in one day.
The Scorpia shipyard scene in Razor, there'd be tens, hundreds of thousands killed in that sequence. I mean you see at least one Jupiter Class Battlestar blown to smithereens, at least one Berserk escort carrier. Another one worth noting is the miniseries when Helo and Boomer are adrift in the Raptor, there's a Jupiter Class broken in two, burning, some internal detonation.
+Epsilon nah, Galactica only became the lead ship of it's class (Battlestar is the class) after Pegasus died.Adama previously captained Battelstar Valkyrie before almost killing Bulldog to avoid cylon detection.
+Epsilon nah, Galactica only became the lead ship of it's class (Battlestar is the class) after Pegasus died.Adama previously captained Battelstar Valkyrie before almost killing Bulldog to avoid cylon detection.
+adam vavlitis no. battlestar is a spaceship class. Galactica and 11 others were the first battlestars including Columbia, Archeron and Athena. each representing a colony. Galactica was Caprica. They were called the Galactica class although Galactica was not the first of it's class. Creators didn't set the lore fully so people call them Galactica class. what we know is, there were 12 original galactica class battlestars. 9 of them was destroyed at the war. however, after the war, they constructed more of this class of ships with newer technology. Pegasus was a Mercury class Battlestar, newer and much bigger then the original 12 battlestars. we don't know how many Mercury class were there. It has to be at least two(Mercury and Pegasus). Valkyrie class battlestars were smaller escort ships. After the end of the first cylon war, colonies didn't want to invest much in the big wardogs like galactica and pegasus so they used valkyrie class battlestars more. they are like the destroyers of the WW2 and today. Galactica became lead ship of it's class aster the fall of the colonies. There were at least 2 other galactica class ships at the initial assault on the miniseries. One was on the defense around one of the planets. other was docked at the scorpion shipyard, where pegasus was the only survivor. You can find all these info at battlestarwiki. cheers.
Actually Jupiter Class, were not the first battlestars, they were just the biggest and most powerful at the time of the first Cylon war, there were also the Artemis Class which were smaller and came before the Jupiter class and the Orion Class, which were light Battlestars
@@Livewire1119 I was referring to the re-use of Galactica footage from the Miniseries. A scene where the Galactica is being pummeled by Missiles is reused for the scene with Columbia.
Gotta love the adama death glare article.... The comment about husker parachuting down the cylon planet looking really pissed off keeps me laughing to this day,
The only earth military planes that can do moves close to what I saw the Viper do in atmosphere is the SU35 and the F22 Rapter, both don't have the speed of a Viper. Maybe an SR-71, but it can't move like that.
so i was perusing the comments and i noticed there was a fairly certain cause of death for the colombia. though there was still people arguing for the other. the cause is simple, it was a magazine detonation, not a reactor detonation. why, because theres several chunks of the battlestar left after she detonates plus the primary det is centered under the topside guns. if it was a reactor it would have been further back and im rusty on my show knowledge but i would assume the ship runs on a form of nuclear power or other fusion power, which if it had detonated would probably vaporized most of the ship and would be further back due to the engines and engine room more then likely being towards the rear.
Real world equivalent would be fighter pilots engaged in combat at sea and seeing their home Carrier sinking. I dont know the fuel range of Navy fighters but depending on how far from land they are losing their Carrier could be a death sentence.
I enjoy that Deadlock recreated this scene right up to the detail that, no matter what you did, you couldn't save the Columbia.
I had a hell of a Battlestar fleet for that final mission. I was actually able to save Columbia. I fired every single missile I could from my Battlestars at the two base ships above it And I sent every viper I had to cover Columbia. I actually pulled it off and Columbia was heavily damaged but they were okay...... But then the mission just froze there The story is dependent on Columbia being destroyed. I felt so disappointed. I was hoping that they would have written an alternative script in the mission if you happen to save Columbia and the cylon still do the armistice but you're able to save the ship. I had to restart the mission and let Columbia be destroyed In order to finish the game.
All hail to the Hero who shouted to clear Colombia's airspace before explosion. Saved countless Viper pilots. That's true heroism right there.
@Elijah S doubt it
@Elijah S yeah not impossible būt not probable either, the colonials dont strike Me as the people that would have that kind of protocol
Doubt that it saved even a single pilot given Columbia blew up three seconds after the transmission - but A for effort.
@@AGH331 it saved husker and vipers are Very fast
@@grigss3027 It didn't - he didn't react at all. And counting reaction time and accelleration, none of the other pilots would've managed to get more than a couple dozen metres further away from Columbia.
Man what I wouldn't give for a 1st Cylon war BSG show with these visuals.
Not happening. It's just too good. Sci-fi (SyFy) murdered franchises to no end, like what happened to The Expanse. Nobody watches that network anymore. Effectively dead.
NBC/Universal recently announced that they're developing another Battlestar Galactica series for their upcoming Peacock streaming service. From my understanding, it's supposed to be set in the Ron Moore Galatica timeline. Hope to see a continuation of the Blood & Chrome storyline.
@@kevinnelson66 As long as it's more Cylon War, less "Caprica".
Battlestar Galactica: Deadlock is a canon video game that delves into the First Cylon War
@@killianmiller6107 Yeah but Deadlock kinda sucks. It's fine story wise but the gameplay is an absolute atrocity.
I know its just a show and this didn't happen, but damn that transmission at 1:22, that officer knows his ship is about to die and he is about to die and yet he is at his post warning off his fellow servicemen to save their lives. Gives me chills.
There wasn't enough time to evacuate so all he could do is give the last warning to prevent other vipers from getting caught in its explosion.
This actually happened in real life. During the Halifax Explosion, a train dispatcher, Vince Coleman, remained at his post to warn incoming trains to stay out of the explosion's range. He was killed, but saved who knows how many. This was during the first World War. the ship that exploded was carrying nearly 3 kilotons of explosive and destroyed the whole city port.
izzad ibrahim During the battle of Jutland a turret was hit on one of the battle cruisers and the sole survivor in the turret called down to the magazine to have it flooded and prevented the ship from exploding like two others had done. He had lost both legs and used the little time he had to save the ship instead of trying to save himself through any first aid / tourniquet application etc.
The Captain was going down with the ship but wanted his fighter pilots to save themselves. It was a very powerful sequence.
at end of battle there was not only fire but huge smoke/leak from rear of the ship,perhaps there was critical fuel leak? the first detonation was near flight pod,second from inside of ship. maybe viper fuel lines ignited main ship lines and boom.
The screaming of the Columbia's crew after she broke up :(
Sucks to be sure
Imaging how that must've felt for the air group, including Adama. Everyone they had served with for months, even years - their comrades, friends, even lovers, their entire home - gone in an instant.
Haunting
It reminds me of the scene in Memphis Belle when the bomber Mother and Country was cut in half and going down, and all the Radio Operator could hear was the scream of his friend who was the other Radio Operator as it is plummeting to the ground and slowly the signal cuts out. I'd like to think that was an homage to it. Great touch in both movies.
Especially when you remember she was named for the American shuttle that broke up on re-entry.
Perfect casting for "Young Adama". His voice, accent and the way he spoke were on point.
And then they cast that scrawny little kid as a young Bill Adama for Blood and Chrome. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@DLordSadow the Blood and Chrome Husker was a literal live action EZRA BRIDGER... He was even called Ezra briefly by Becca lol.
Perfect casting, agreed.
@Daniel Stetson Bit late, but whatever. Eddie Olmos has brown eyes, yes. Adama has blue eyes. Olmos wears contacts to resemble Jamie Bamber so that it is not totally implausible that these two portrait father and son.
1:37, the garbled screams coming across his frequency is so chilling.
After watching three seasons with a ship exactly like that, capable of carrying some three thousand crew men and women, and then watching one explode with all hands lost. Imagine the terror of being aboard and not totally obliterated in the explosion. Imagine the number of screams on every frequency, not just his. I guess this is a sign of great show writing. From the viewers point of view, battlestars never die, and watching it happen is disturbing.
+Sam The only other times you see a Battlestar destroyed (not simply the wreckage), is when Pegasus is martyred, and it is abandoned, and when Scorpion Shipyards are attacked, but even then... you don't hear the screams.
How did the Columbia get destroyed??? The Galactica took far more damage in the series run and (mostly) survived despite losing much of it's structural integrity. I'm guessing the main reactor was ruptured causing a Nuke scale explosion from within the Battlestar tearing the Vessel apart in all directions. A similar fate would have befallen Galactica in the Pilot Miniseries had Colonel Tigh not vented several Hull compartments when they were filled with fire that nearly ignited the fuel lines.
Richard Ched I think the Cylons could have boarded the Columbia and destroyed her in a suicide attack. They downed her defense grid then went for the magazines. That explosion looked like her magazines went up then her reactors followed. You heard someone on the comms saying to “Stay away from Colombia airspace, stay away now.” So someone on board realized what was gonna happen and tried to save the escorting fighters from the blast. It’s absolutely horrific to think about 2500,3000 men and women being gone in an instant.
Imagine being part of the damage crew trying to put that kind of catastrophic fire out.
@@admiraltiberius1989 that actually sounds pretty awesome (And very likely). But wouldn't someone have reported that the ship had been boarded? It was only a minute or 2 between the Columbia's defenses being shut down and her eventual destruction. Its destruction was unexpected that much was clear. The Columbia seemed to be more prestigious than the Galactica at the time (And was probably the Flagship of the operation) The Galactica only gained it's "Legendary" status among the Colonies because it was one of the only Battlestars of the initial 12 to survive the war and avoid retirement for 40 years.
Battlestar Columbia knew they were going to blow up at the last couple of seconds they said over the radio for any friendly fighters to break away , to stay clear so they wouldn't get caught in the blast.
most likely they were partially disabled by CNP hack so they could not vent the flaming area of ship,better to sacrifice some people and vent compartment than let fire touch ammo magazine or fuel lines...also columbia turrets were all dead and immobile, none was boarded by crew,all in zero position so must been CNP virus activated.
@@stratiosastero6880 I must say that this way before the introduction of the CNP, ABOUT 40 Years prior.
for more see my answer to your comment under the comment from kar259
I was under the impression Columbia was rushed into war and didn't have nearly the same defense or offense capabilities as the Galactica and that is what contributed to it's destruction, something I read along time ago can't remember the source but still a good explanation in my opinion
@@swagginmcjaggin1078 If I remember correctly she had all the original defenses of a galactica battlestar but during the war others received more guns where the columbia did not and was rolled out "stock".
So, she didn't have the same defenses but she was completed.
@@ONW4V3R She was complete, but we know that Galactica had shortcuts taken during construction (stress fractures in her structural members that Tyrol needed to use the Cylon paste on), so similar shortcuts could have been taken on Columbia that proved to be more fatal. She was taking heavy fire dorsal amidships... one or two structural failures and boom.
The rebellion can keep their X-wings.
Gimme a Mk-II Viper any day!!
Marlene Blackwinter So say we all
Frak yeah, so say we all.
I would prefer a "Mk2 SA-23E Starfury" from Babylon 5 ;)
Lightsoul If well at least you agree that both are better than X wing
Anybody like SA-43 Hammerhead from Space: Above and Beyond?
It's one of my favourite scifi fighters
I always found that final scream of the crew of Columbia quite harrowing. It never really occurs to you when a ship like that blows apart, it’s big enough that people in there will survive for a while after.
Sadly, it’s a bit like the Challenger disaster. Many years later, they tell us that most of the crew survived the blast and were alive most of the way down.
This reminds me of the disaster of the Kursk submarine. 23 crew on board survived initially but couldn't get out and drowned inside.
reminds me of some of the battleships sunk in the attack on pearl harbour, they could hear banging on the hull from surviving crew for days after, sadly they couldn't get to them
Even when he was young, he talked in a hoarse Batman voice.
And yet... Not. There are some instances where he doesn't in this video.
That's the voice of cool determination.
EarthHound that why his call sign was Husker
It’s too bad they didn’t cast him in Blood and Chrome. Better for the role than Luke Pasqualino. And his casting would’ve kept the continuity intact. I believe the actor’s name is Nico Cortez
@@richlisola1 actually not. if you look at what edward olmos looked like when he was young, the actor they chose actually represents that better.
The visuals were all done in a way which pays homage to the original show.
I noticed that too.
Grew up with TOS, so seeing those classic cylon raiders and that classic centurion was a treat. Wished the TOS MK1 viper design had been used.
Notice the nod to the original series @0.27 in the way both vipers fly past, it's a direct CGI copy of the most used Viper clip used in the Original BSG series.
By your command...
Particularly the shot of Adama splashing the toaster at 1:16, which is almost identical to an oft-recycled shot in the original series.
The shot of the columbia being destroyed is one of the most chilling destruction scenes i've ever witnessed, They really pull you in with the screams of the crew. That in my memory is the first time that was done in a sci fi show or movie. It adds realism and terror that just blowing the ship up can't get across.
It reminded me of the scene from the 1990 movie Memphis Belle, where one of the other B-17s - Mother and Country is cut in half and you hear the crew on the radio as both sections of the plane fall to the ground. That was what I first thought of when I saw this scene.
The crazy radio communications from the stricken Columbia is top notch too, sounds like screaming and explosions, really chilling scene.
The younger version of Adama in Razor seems well cast - he could almost be a younger Edward James Olmos - similar features, more so than the younger version we see in Blood and Chrome.
That is because it is his real son playing the part.
@@TwistedSisterHaratiofales No, Buddy Olmos was in the series, not this flashback. Buddy was in the same “nugget” cohort as Kat, in the first batch of pilot recruits trained by Starbuck.
The producers joked that this actor looked more like young Eddie Olmos than his actual son Buddy did.
@@Ryan_Christopher oh, OK I thought that was his son.
@@TwistedSisterHaratiofales Here’s Buddy launching first during the Adama Maneuver. He must take from his mom?
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The scene where he pulls the double 180 in atmosphere is still one of the coolest scenes in the series. What I wouldn’t give to get my hands on a Viper
"I got to get me one of these!"
Original looking cylons, including the raiders and the basestars.... loved this step back in time. The ships DID look cool as hell.
Finally the uncut version
That's what she said.
@@JVDAWG1 lol
First time I saw Battlestar Columbia been destroyed, I paused the movie and I was sitting there speechless and still tryiing to understand what happened. It was so realistic that I considered it as a real thing. Made me sad for that loss. Since then I am wondering. How it was like being inside the columbia as it destroyed? How the crew of her was acting while hearing their screams from wireless? Gods it must be very hard scene to imagine.
Yea.. you think them "good guy's having near invincible supperior ships... think again. The first war was CLOSE AF! Them older Basestars even had Gun artilery equiped on them. Also the entire battle lastet quiet some time so ofc. if they focus one of the Columbia's is gonna give in. 3v3, the last battle of the war and OFC. only then the Colonials lose a single battlestar. Even then the Toasters knew Colonials are outpowering them big time ship to ship so they developed the hacking plan. Without that, in a slugout? Those 120 Battlestars would have SLAUGHTERED the Toasters for good.
I like how in the regular show when you see the vipers the paint looks old and worn but in this it looks fresh, nice touch
I couldn't imagine the pain and fury Adama had when he heard those screams when Columbia went up. Not even able to make it to any escape pods (if any were available). That's why Adama was so protective of his people and ship. This destruction reminded him that your ship and crew are your responsibility. And to watch an entire Battlestar die with all hands. I can understand the hatred he had for the Cylons. But it was repeated and put to the test decades later.
With Saul Tigh. Adam's oldest and dearest friend. Saul's people were the 13th Colony to leave long before the Galeon left Kobol carrying all of humanity. He suffered watching his own version of the Cylons die at the hands of their Centurions. The final five remaining Cylons on a desperate quest to find the Colonies and warn them about the development of Artificial Life. And to find that about your best friend? I'm amazed it didn't send Adama completely over the edge. Adama was a man who walked with the "Shadow of Death" and often called it his only friend.
Edit: As an anecdotal observation I wonder if Columbia went up because of the damage? Or an additional Cylon nuke struck it? Or something even worse?
Did Columbia actually attempt despite the damage to jump to FTL? And the sheer shock of it caused Columbia to explode? Part of a battlestar's FTL is near the area Columbia seems to explode.
Bill was a Badass Motherfraker!
At 1:11 the way they shake the camera and the face that you know it's real ammunition impacting on the ships hull really allows you to feel the stress the hull is being put under it doesn't just look like a pretty little light show you get when you lasers hitting other ships in other Sci-Fi shows
It's stock footage from Miniseries when Galactica is also hit by Missiles. You can tell by the red colonial insignia on the Hull (The Columbia had a blue insignia)
@@richardched6085 id like to think they used the stock footage for the damage Galactica suffered on this engagement, she was there after all, but, it was probably as you said, re-used footage of the Miniseries, for the final momentos fo Columbia
@@251spartan same. The pacing suggests Columbia but could easily be Galactica in the battle.
1:42 "Wait wtf those things can actually die?! Oh frak!"
That should have been a series. I know they tried.
Wow, look at Viper's atmospheric maneuverability...
I believe it can also achieve escape velocity meaning it can push more than 11.2 kilometers per second. And while in space it's standard speed (acceleration) is 90 meters per second. Mk II good ship...
@@richardched6085 actually you don't need 11.2km/s to escape gravity, what you need is enough acceleration to oppose planet's gravitational well
@@YurkerYT how much acceleration would be required to break through Earth's gravity well?
@@richardched6085 well... you need more than 9.81ms^-2 of acceleration to escape earth's gravity pull at sea level, the higher you go the less acceleration you need.
Why 9.81ms^-2? Because that's the strength the earth pulls us towards its core (at sea level).
@@YurkerYT so 90 m/s is more than sufficient if it's constantly maintained?
God damn the music for this - when Adama comes into frame . . . and the next minute is fraking amazing!
Man just like the original series where the fleet consisted of the Galactica and the Columbia where they were all identical ships in this remake it appears the same the Galactica and the Columbia were both Jupiter Class Battlestars.
Retro Cylon Basestars look sweet :)
Just love the wide shot showing the 3 battlestars and 2 basestars duking it out.
Excellent battle sequence. BSG really shined here.
Man after the destruction of the Columbia wouldn't it have been ironic that the BattleStar Galactica came to pick up the surviving vipers and they're pilots including it's future commander Adama now that would really have been something.
Adama was based on the Galactica during the war.
1:33 The music is a somber arrangement of the original Galactica theme. Chilling.
Soooo cool seeing the old-style Vipers and Raiders!!
The officer warning at 1:22 , i think that a catastrophic Magazine detonation caused the demise of Columbia. Probaly in most Battlestar loss cases, it got engaged, hit pretty hard, weapons and propulsion disabled and the crew ordered to abandon ship, just like most major warship losses in WW1 and WW2
Yet the rare and catastrophic thing to happen is a magazine detonation(HMS Hood, SMS Seydlitz), as you can see Columbia is hit on the top part near the Main battlestar artillery cannons. The explosion, while difficult to say, seems to happen at first in this location. It makes sense that the magazines are located in that area to feed the artillery cannons. It could also be the compliment of Missiles, both conventional and nuclear
Thus, my THEORY, is that Columbia was lost because of a very rare cause. Any ship, real life or sci-fi, will do everything to protect its magazines. This bone chilling scene does remind you that anything, no matter how powerfull, can meet its demise
I agree with your theory.
During this sequence, you can see Columbia's dorsal artillery batteries destroyed and on fire. Keep in mind that there is no oxygen (or any other gas that can burn) in open space, so that wasn't your "usual" flame. Something had burned. Something very very bad. It is likely that, at some point during the engagement, protection bulkheads separating those artillery turrets from their ammo storages were destroyed or simply failed. Thus, fire was able to spread and either get to the magazine directly, or cause detonation by heating up the compartment filled with shells to the point that they exploded. Crew, particularly people in CIC, knew of this situation onboard (there is an automated system notifying CIC of fires, shown in early episodes of the series) and thus had the time to warn all nearby Vipers to retreat.
Problem with any warship. You always carry enough munition's to destroy yourself. I'm sure the Battlestars were designed to protect their munition stores, but an out of control fire or lucky hit, and boom.
Yeah that's almost certainly the case. The main explosion looks to have originated toward the back end of the 'alligator head' portion. That's also where the vertical nuclear launch tubes are on Galactica, so either way I think ordnance detonation. 😑
She had been pounded to oblivion in that battle for a considerable length of time before she went bang, her weapons were out, her point defence was out....
Your theory does seem valid, I will point out, that the examples of SMS Seydlitz is a bit off, she had a flash fire on ther super firing aft turret during that raid and ALMOST had the aft magazine go off, but the crew managed to close the flash doors and flood the magazine before the fire could reach it. HMS Invinsible, HMS Indefatigable, HMS Queen Mary, all three went down due to magazine detonations (either flash fires started at a turret or direct penetration to the magazine). All three combined having less than 2 dozen survivors amongst them, and the armored cruisers HMS Defense and HMS Warrior also going doing with all hands due to magazine detonation, and SMS Pommern going down as well after a torpedo set off her secondary magazine.
When you hear those scream over the wireless...man, that's chilling. There was a similar scene in "Memphis Bell" when a B-17 loses a tail and the fuselage spins down out of control.
Anyway...I remember in "Valley of Darkness" Lee saying that sickbay was a disaster shelter, designed to act as a survival pod in case the ship was lost. It was capable of being sealed off as we saw in the episode. If that ever happened during the first Cylon war they would need Colonial forces to locate and rescue them, but it would be a chance. Just speculation but there could have been survivors from Columbia.
True! I tought of "Memphis Belle" too! :)
Survival would be even more likely if they wore pressure suits in battle, like the Viper pilots.
Yes. That's exactly what I thought of when Columbia exploded.
I haven't seen "Razor" yet, but this clip is fantastic, can't wait to see the whole movie. THanks so much for posting.
For me the series had a low signal-to-noise ratio, but Razor was pretty much all signal.
I love how the explosion pushes him and the sadness in whomever says "Columbia is gone" than the screaming
The only reason they were using Mark 2's in season 1 was because they were old and outdated - they hadn't recieved the CNP upgrade that the Cylons used to shut down the modern Viper Mark 7's.
One of the coolest music cues in the entire series.
I loved the original Galactica when i was a wee lad and when i heard they were remaking it i thought oh here goes! But i have never been as wrong as what i was when i thought it was going to be an injustice to the original, they blew it out the water in every way, it's the best tv show i have ever seen, with the exception of Game of thrones, but they are two different shows altogether but being a sci fi geek Battlestar wins hands down lol. So say we all!
And that's why you don't fuck with Adama!
One of the coolest scenes ever, love it!
How the Columbia was destroyed was either by the Magazine due to being caught on fire or by the fuels lines catching fire and going to the main fuel tanks, frankly i would rather die by the Magazine explosion then by the ship exploding from the fuel tanks.
The fuel tanks exploding would lead to a far less painful death as it's the Fusion Reactor exploding (Like a Nuke) rather than ammunition in a single Turret exploding causing slow but sure destruction to the vessel.
@@richardched6085 True but the ways i would like to go are the Main Magazine's going up or the reactor exploding as like what you said
+Issac Smith So what is the difference between the Fuel Line igniting and the Main Reactor Exploding?
@@tachy1801 what would it look like if it was a Fusion Reactor exploding?
@@tachy1801 wouldn't it take a Nuclear Explosion to spread the Battlestar Hull chunks that violently? (And also account for the burning debris) The Hull can take repeated ordinance strikes making a simple magazine explosion unlikely to break the Hull (And even if it did it probably wouldn't spread apart that fast) this is just a theory.
I love the slow tribute to the original BSG theme.
Oh man, 1:42 where you can hear the sounds over the radio of the people on Columbia dying and the screams...really intense.
They should do another series between Caprica and BSG where they have the first Cylon War! I mean, I'd love to see more of the classic ships in these kinds of space battles!
I would also love a series like that...
The first cylon war would be a prequel.
I'd love to see the first Cylon war, too, though it would probably be too expensive to show much combat. I also wouldn't mind if they change it so either side might win.
I know this is a very old thread, but I wanted to point out a possible fault in the Jupiter Class Battlestar, and the Columbia at large. Did you see where the fire was? It was aft of the normal amidship Colonial Seal (Speculation is that it's a relief of Nike, the Goddess of Victory with her wings out). The fire implies that Columbia's armor was compromised near their primary Tylium tanks. Tylium (Possibly liquid hydrogen or another yet undiscovered element) is extremely volatile and the sheer heat of fires around it, is known to cause Tylium to become unstable and explode.
What was puzzling, is that Columbia did not attempt an FTL jump to clear out from the Cylon assault. Instead they seemed to opt to perhaps provide firepower to the other ships as a task force. Or the other vessels (Piscon or Atlantia) were damaged and unable to continue firing, so Columbia took the damage and insured the survival of the remaining ships. A truly brave end. But could you have imagined if Columbia tried to jump and failed? Wrecked suddenly shifted from one state to another?
If you saw the old series, the Cylons would always try to ram the landing bays. Viper munitions and fuel lines ran from those directly to the heart of the ships reserve fuel tanks. There is an episode "Fire in Space" where Galactica suffers catastrophic internal fire from just such an attack. Now, looking at the Schematics of the battlestar (Mercury class) and this clip, we can see that the fuel storage is running along the length of the ship from the head to about the mid section and also aft to just behind the head. We can also see that the nuclear missile launchers are in close proximity. The head of the ship is where the crews general quarters are. Along the top of the ship are the FTL 1 and FTL 2 core and sink drives and that was where the main focus of the attack seemed to be, the upper surface. Likely those were knocked out to prevent escape. Judging by the detonation, it was munitions likely cause by a catastrophic breach of the fuel lines. At 1:09 you can see heavy missile strike hitting the landing bay and midships right on the main Tylium storage tanks. Remember the old series? Why Tylium caught fire, it took out a planet (Carilon)
Comin' here after finishing Deadlock.
"Columbia's gone, oh my gods Columbia's gone, gods, I got two bandits turning tail, Husker pursuing"
Lt William Adama (HUSKER) was what we called in the neighborhood when I was a young man...... HARD!
Give me a Viper MkII any day of the week and Adama was a badass as a pilot and Commander.
Anyone remember the t.v. series set in the BattleStar Galactica universe where it showed the development and rise of the Cylons wouldn't it have been neat if they did a t.v. series of what happened during the war that lead to rise of the most famous and legendary Battlestar of all time the BattleStar Galactica.
I've looked for this video for years!!! Was it taken down then re-uploaded? Either way thx for posting!
Actually, it's been on youtube for almost 10 years. It was initially blocked in the US but then the block was lifted so i guess viewers can watch it again.
i wonder if you guys like this video post.
As much as i loved it, it broke my heart seeing battle star Columbia destroyed like that
One of the best scenes of the series👍😎❤️
You can play this as commander of the Galactica in the very last mission of Battlestar Galactica: Deadlock.
In the new BSG Deadlock DLC. The Galactica is refitted to the same specs as the Columbia in this video.
Been looking at the comments about Columbia's destruction. I think Columbia and the other vessels Cylon's included were probably in the firefight for quite a while. Its likely she was already suffering battle damage and the Cylon's likely focused on specific parts of the ship likely hoping to nail a vital part. In this case her upper spine, you do indeed see fire coming from the middle top of the ship so its likely the cylon's already nailed several volleys into her hull and she was probably already dying but was too stubborn of a ship until the magazine's and power-plant finally blew. If only we saw more instances or visuals of the Cylon war.
Sounds right. Given how more powerful Battlestars are compared to Basestars. It's likely the Cylons had at most 6 Basestars at the beginning of the Battle. 3 of which were obviously destroyed when the video began.
In the Deadlock game it's standard procedure to focus on one section of a ship to break through the tough candy coating and get at the juicy goodness inside. It's also standard for the targeted ship to turn and present fresh armor to the enemy.
I don't understand. How can Columbia's defenses be down? Every turret and Anti-Air gun is manually operated by a crew. You would have to destroy every turret to disable their defenses. Which would mean destroying the ship. Even the AA wasn't firing.
Columbia's armor doesn't even look that damaged. Just the upper area Has any damage.
Even Galactica at the end of the show still had turrets firing even when Galactica was on the verge of being destroyed. So I don't understand how Columbia is just sitting there taking hits and not firing back.
if you watch carefully you can see parts of the ship intact maybe the radio is comms traffic from the survivors of those intact parts before they too preished seconds later just a idea like
Decompression, Asphyxiation, Fragmentation, Incineration, Evisceration, Vaporization, Disintegration, Blunt Force Trauma..... Many ways to die on board the Battlestar Columbia. Those crewmen had a combination of some of these effects.
Wait a second. The Columbia was defenseless, and the Vipers were told to protect it, but unlike the pilots at the Galactica 4 decades later, Husker and the others go after the Raiders, leaving the ship being hit repeatedly by misiles. They should have focused on stopping those, and maybe they wouldn't had a battlestar less.
No fighter can intercept anti-ship missiles. True then, true today. That’s why our warships have flak screens and CIWS guns, as well as air-defense escort cruisers and destroyers.
Columbia’s guns were down so at this point she was defenseless. In atmosphere missiles can go Mach 3. In space they’re under constant acceleration when their engines are lit. No fighter can chase after those.
The Raiders were also hammering away at Colombia as well.
@@andrewnlarsen that is true, but I think they missiles were doing more damage, and at least they should focus on the raiders that were around the ship. Seems to me like the Cylon's strategy was to get the Columbia defenseless by overwhelming their flak barrier with nukes, and distracting the Vipers by baiting them with the Raiders, and it worked.
I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see a NEW BSG series about how the First Cylon War began. Too bad there are big writers and actors strikes going on in Hollywood (and elsewhere, AFAIK), so now, it could be DECADES before ANY new BSG material comes out of Universal Studios. What a CRYING SHAME!!! 😭
This may just be the best sci-fi action sequence yet made on any format. It has it all. PS at 4:08 it's Sarah Connor destroying the Terminator all over again.
I'm picturing a Cylon War era Centurion in the Terminator's place...
Cylon Centurions are made of frakking Tin-Foil lol. Kyle Reese or Sarah Connor could have easily destroyed a Centurion with just 1 Shotgun Blast (Or a good solid club)
Has this clip really been up for 10 years??? Cuz it seems like it was uploaded 8 days ago.
Yup 10 years. It was recently unblocked by TH-cam in the US. So now it's viewable again so I guess people started commenting again. You can check the publish date which is set to May 21, 2008.
How many people now, this ending scene of the colombia at 1:34 is a great reference to the "Mother and Country" scene from the war-movie "Memphis Belle"?
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Your idea is brillent, it would make for a great tv show; another great tribute by the makers of the new series to the original
good pick for young adama
Now it's just like Battlestar Galactica deadlock
Still the best science fiction show
I hate to say it but with the original Galactica the Battlestar Columbia's destruction happened so fast that the crew didn't even have time to scream and like they say in the series 'May the Lords of Khobol watch over all those poor souls and give them peace' 'SO SAY WE ALL'.
If you look carefully the vipers are Mark 2's which were the mainstay of season 1 of the new series. They are virtually the same on the outside.
In BSG Deadlock:
2 Basestars (Total Casualties) vs 3 Jupiters (No Casualties)
In BSG:
2 Basestars (No losses) vs 3 Jupiters (1 Explodes)
Cylons must have gotten Slitherine to nerf the Jupiters.
damn you slitherine!
Meanwhile in deadlock : (cylons point of view) DAMN YOU GRIFFINDOR
No the armistice was signed during this battle. The remaining Jupiters would have turned the tables had the Cylons not disengaged.
@@Ryan_Christopher The Columbia was still obliterated just moments before the Armistice was signed and Admiral Sarkis's Fleet wide transmission. That's one Jupiter-II against 2 Basestars... Ingame that would be an overwhelming victory for the Columbia. Yet those same 2 Basestars slugged it out with 3 Jupiters while pummeling the Columbia in the actual Razor Flashback scene (No support ships were seen).
@@richardched6085 I don't care what the game or this flashback says. Engaging baseships within visual range of your battlestars make no sense. Remember the Battle of Midway? Carrier Battle Groups engage each other beyond visual range, letting their fighters and bombers do the actual fighting against their enemy ships.
The flashback gets around that principle by saying "the Columbia has lost her defenses," meaning that her flak screens were down on top of losing her own Vipers to enemy action, without explaining why or how she's within missile range of the cylons in the first place. That's not nerfing the Jupiters, it's just plain bad writing.
And in the original series the flagship battlestar Atlantia got whacked too, and back then there was no CNP hack to explain how the battlestars were vulnerable to attack. If that was the inspiration for this scene then that means the Jupiter-class isn't as formidable as Deadlock would have you believe. Maybe the Columbia got out-maneuvered, maybe her commander engaged in inferior tactics. Whatever the reason it is not unreasonable to believe two baseships and her fighters can engage and destroy one battlestar before turning their attention to another.
This is a battle in orbit after all, and the rules of orbital mechanics don't always favor who has the more battlestars in the immediate battlespace. Where they are during the battle counts more.
@@Ryan_Christopher You bring up lots of good points. Maybe the Basestars FTL jumped around Columbia and disabled it's defenses and FTL Drive with a single rapid precision strike. Columbia would have no way of getting out of that. Basestars carry 300 Raiders each (Which means that at most 600 were strafing the hull). The Galactica and 2 other Jupiter Battlestars were quite a distance away when this occurred. I think that Deadlock sorely overestimated the power of the Jupiter Battlestar. It was a Battleship/Carrier. Not a super duper Warship. The Columbia was clearly separate from the 3 Jupiters seen in the establishing shot (Meaning that there were 4 present).
The OG Atlantia was destroyed by 1000+ Cylon Raiders (Dozens of which made suicide runs detonating Solonite explosives and firing their Laser Cannons within the Flight Pods. They attempted to do the same to Galactica in "Fire in Space" and actually succeeded in setting fire to it's Flight Pod and severely damaged it's bridge.
Battlestars are notoriously vulnerable to Fighter attacks (Especially if they are equipped with 50 Kiloton Nuclear Warheads which was rare). The Columbia was more armored than the Galactica and had less point defense turrets.
Knowing what these Battlestars can tank/dish out and how many fighters were engaging in succsessful combat I just gotta wonder who fraked this mission up like that?! Losing a Battlestar?! You couldnt win the fight? couldnt jump out before the situation got critical?
It was likely due to the Cylons focusing on the Columbia with a majority of their attacks. Taking out the enemy flagship is a massively effective way to demoralize them.
@@chrisdufresne9359 and also with the Cylon fleet there being far more stronger than they realized.
The show consistently demonstrates how easy it is to lose FTL under fire. It's likely Columbia was a sitting duck with no option of retreat.
I don't understand. How can Columbia's defenses be down? Every turret and Anti-Air gun is manually operated by a crew. You would have to destroy every turret to disable their defenses. Which would mean destroying the ship
Even Galactica at the end of the show still had turrets firing even when Galactica was on the verge of being destroyed.
Still like the old Vipers and old school Cylon Raiders much more than the new ones. But maybe this is about childhood memories.
Can't believe the Peacock version of Razor cut this scene out.
The opening song to this clip is probably one of my favourite tunes in the whole series. And I love how they left in the original dialogue at 1:07 :D
Adama taking on the Centurion with a pipe is nod to the BSG miniseries when he is attacked by Leoben and finally gets the upper hand.
So while he might not fly vipers anymore, you’d never bet against Adama in any fight!
Well, someone years ago once stated that the Cylon symbol of death is Adama with a blunt instrument.
@@Windrave After all that technology, getting your skull smashed in with a pipe never gets old.
I don't understand. How can Columbia's defenses be down? Every turret and Anti-Air gun is manually operated by a crew. You would have to destroy every turret to disable their defenses. Which would mean destroying the ship
Even Galactica at the end of the show still had turrets firing even when Galactica was on the verge of being destroyed.
This was the best scene in the movie.
To bad they never continued with Blood and Chrome....Would love to see the first Cylon war with Adama as the lead! It needs to happen ASAP! SO SAY WE ALL!!
Great post, I think this scene was in the DVD release only and not the tv version.
This is the Blood and Chrome we should have gotten.
I recon they just reused the Galactica digital model without editing it to fully cover it in armour, as Galactica appeared in Blood and Chrome.
this man has all kinds of balls!! all kinds...
Everyone is sad for the Columbia, but can you imagine the death that occurred on the sneak attack from the pilot movie? Battlestars, support ships, shipyards and the cities... all gone in one day.
The Scorpia shipyard scene in Razor, there'd be tens, hundreds of thousands killed in that sequence. I mean you see at least one Jupiter Class Battlestar blown to smithereens, at least one Berserk escort carrier. Another one worth noting is the miniseries when Helo and Boomer are adrift in the Raptor, there's a Jupiter Class broken in two, burning, some internal detonation.
Double 180 was sweet
Which movie is that? It's not razor. Blood and chrome?
when the columbia got destroyed did that leave the Galactica being the lead ship of it's class left?
+Epsilon nah, Galactica only became the lead ship of it's class (Battlestar is the class) after Pegasus died.Adama previously captained Battelstar Valkyrie before almost killing Bulldog to avoid cylon detection.
+Epsilon nah, Galactica only became the lead ship of it's class (Battlestar is the class) after Pegasus died.Adama previously captained Battelstar Valkyrie before almost killing Bulldog to avoid cylon detection.
+adam vavlitis no. battlestar is a spaceship class. Galactica and 11 others were the first battlestars including Columbia, Archeron and Athena. each representing a colony. Galactica was Caprica. They were called the Galactica class although Galactica was not the first of it's class. Creators didn't set the lore fully so people call them Galactica class.
what we know is, there were 12 original galactica class battlestars. 9 of them was destroyed at the war. however, after the war, they constructed more of this class of ships with newer technology.
Pegasus was a Mercury class Battlestar, newer and much bigger then the original 12 battlestars. we don't know how many Mercury class were there. It has to be at least two(Mercury and Pegasus).
Valkyrie class battlestars were smaller escort ships. After the end of the first cylon war, colonies didn't want to invest much in the big wardogs like galactica and pegasus so they used valkyrie class battlestars more. they are like the destroyers of the WW2 and today.
Galactica became lead ship of it's class aster the fall of the colonies. There were at least 2 other galactica class ships at the initial assault on the miniseries. One was on the defense around one of the planets. other was docked at the scorpion shipyard, where pegasus was the only survivor.
You can find all these info at battlestarwiki. cheers.
Galactica is also called a Jupiter class, I believe as Battlestar Atlantia (which was another jupiter class) was the flagship of the fleet
Actually Jupiter Class, were not the first battlestars, they were just the biggest and most powerful at the time of the first Cylon war, there were also the Artemis Class which were smaller and came before the Jupiter class and the Orion Class, which were light Battlestars
Anybody else notice that young Adama's are eyes are blue and older Adama's....?
1:10 stock footage time!!!! It really is a homage to the Original series lol.
Nah, not COlumbia being hit, a few seconds later when he takes out the raider. That was a clear homage.
@@Livewire1119 I was referring to the re-use of Galactica footage from the Miniseries. A scene where the Galactica is being pummeled by Missiles is reused for the scene with Columbia.
Gotta love the adama death glare article.... The comment about husker parachuting down the cylon planet looking really pissed off keeps me laughing to this day,
Are you kidding? With that kind of pummeling you'd expect the FTL to be one of the first pieces to go down.. ;)
The only earth military planes that can do moves close to what I saw the Viper do in atmosphere is the SU35 and the F22 Rapter, both don't have the speed of a Viper. Maybe an SR-71, but it can't move like that.
Just realised that these old Cylon fighters are firing lazers? Seems like the new Cylons use hard rounds.
Adama was a cocky SOB!
3:43-Guess what, toaster, you don't have a parachute, but I do. Sucks to be you.
I know It's for gritty and realism, but the shaky cam is just way too much. It's like director and editor had vertigo cutting the film.
Does anybody know how many years is this supposed to be after Blood and Chrome?
(Haven’t seen either films yet)
I guess "Husker" was a more accurate callsign than "Batman". 😏
quite a lot of the actors on bsg are canadians...that is why
so i was perusing the comments and i noticed there was a fairly certain cause of death for the colombia. though there was still people arguing for the other. the cause is simple, it was a magazine detonation, not a reactor detonation. why, because theres several chunks of the battlestar left after she detonates plus the primary det is centered under the topside guns. if it was a reactor it would have been further back and im rusty on my show knowledge but i would assume the ship runs on a form of nuclear power or other fusion power, which if it had detonated would probably vaporized most of the ship and would be further back due to the engines and engine room more then likely being towards the rear.
Real world equivalent would be fighter pilots engaged in combat at sea and seeing their home Carrier sinking. I dont know the fuel range of Navy fighters but depending on how far from land they are losing their Carrier could be a death sentence.
Lucky thing the Cylons didn't figure out how to vife until years later.