Clovis First Was Wrong
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 พ.ย. 2023
- Archaeologist Gary Wessen will talk about recent discoveries which show that the ca.12,000 year old "Clovis First" idea, which has dominated archaeological thinking for much of the 20th Century, is wrong. People have clearly been in North America for at least 22,000 years. He will focus predominantly on western North America and provide some details about 14,000 to 18,000 year old sites in Oregon, Washington, and Idaho, as well as the 20,000 to 22,000 year old human footprints at White Sands, New Mexico, which is an extraordinary location with amazing stories to tell.
Clovis was NOT the first. We have been here longer than any body will EVER know.
we...methane-breathers?
For people who wont actually watch the video (these are my related, compatible thoughts, not a summary of the video) solid dates around ~18k years in Oregon, and now ~21k-24k years at White Sands -- along with evidence at other locations -- totally puts to rest the "Clovis First" position.
Not only where there folks in the Americas a few thousand years before Clovis, there were people in the Americas during the Last Glacial Maximum. ... how did they get here? They must have boated along the Aleutians and/or Beringia and down the coast, I would think. Can't think of any other way.
It seems to me we need to look for evidence of early people up river systems that would have been attractive to people boating down the coast, south of the Cordilleran glacier -- like the Columbia River. So maybe the Portland Basin would be a good spot to look.
What I find interesting is that it may well be the case that modern indigenous Americans almost entirely descend from that larger, later wave associated with Clovis. So it could be that early folk were quite small in numbers, and their genetic contribution was almost enitely swamped by the apparently much larrger population that came in ~14kya.
I’d be surprised if people weren’t in the Americas by 50KYA
I love the kelp highway hypothesis too much to be impartial. 🥰
Imagine how much sooner this might have been studied -- along with a myriad of other once avant-garde ideas -- if academics weren't so quick to jealously defend their published conclusions? It's nice to see credentialed scientists finally willing to challenge the status-quo, it's a refreshing signal to the rest of the field that it's ok to move on. Well done.
Credentialed scientist have been challenging "Clovis First" for quite a while now.
academics are human.
The White Sands footprints at 21kya-23kya has made a huge difference for anthropologist Tom Dillehay, who has extensively worked the Monte Verde site in south Chile. Carbon 14 dates have consistently shown dates 14,000-15,000 years ago -- contemporary with the Oregon Paisley Caves. After decades of either being ignored or being criticized for being contrary to the Clovis First model. Dillehay has let it be known that he's found another site that has dates around 32,000 ya.
First, the use of sea travel for immigrants to arrive, bypassing the ludicrous theory that humans would brave hundreds of miles of glacial desert with no available food beggars the imagination. Sea travel has been known for almost 60,000 years, as that is the ONLY reliable explanation for the initial Aboriginal arrival into Australia occurred at that time.
Another point that the footprints at White Sands does is show that humans co-existed with megafauna for almost ten thousand years, making the premise of "man the mighty hunter" hunting the megafauna to extinction absurd. The animal populations adjust to the presence of human predators just fine.
At 1:16 you say earlier groups migrated into North America and didn't survive. Yes! And it continues to boggle my mind that the catastrophic end of the megafauna 12,800 years ago continues to be ignored. NOVA aired on March, 31 2009 an episode (3607) originally titled "The Last Extinction." However, this was considered too controversial, and due to academic complaints, NOVA changed the episode title to "Megabeasts' Sudden Death." Because acknowledging am extinction event is too disruptive. North American archeology is supposed to be "settled and sedate."
Some 66 million years ago, Chicxulub was struck by a massive asteroid. As seriously devastating as it was, with all the gypsum being vaporized and transformed into sulfur dioxide that poisoned the air and the rain for years, that alone wouldn't have resulted in the worldwide extinction of the dinosaurs and the end of the Cretaceous Era. What we now know is that Chucxulub was accompanied by at least three other large strikes -- Doggerland, Ukraine, and an ocean impact on the Western Shiva Plateau off the Indian subcontinent. It was the combination of those four asteroid strikes that did the job, leaving only the nascent bird populations in the swamps of Kamchatka as the only surviving relatives to fill in all the suddenly vacant eco-niches. The sulfur dioxide was enough to acidify the oceans, killing many coral reefs and ending the reign of mosasaurs, plesiosaurs, and other apex critters like megalodon.
There is a burn layer throughout much of North America at the 12,800-12,900 mark. The above named NOVA episode found evidence of hexagonal nano-diamonds in ice cores from Greenland. One of the biggest rebuttals against the claim for an asteroid/comet impact is -- where is the impact site? Except that half of North America was covered in glacial ice. SOMETHING caused Lake Aggasiz to burst its banks and empty its considerable waters and scour its way to the seas. The current global warming warnings are about exactly that -- melting enough freshwater to destabilize the Gulf Stream and trigger an new ice age. Several French climatologists participated in creating a documentary in 2006 - "Gulf Stream and the Next Ice Age" by Grand Angle Productions. This film is now hard to find because it threatens continued petroleum use.
Geologist Antonio Zamora has posted a TH-cam video documenting one such crater in south Saginaw Bay, and based on the size of the crater, estimates everything within 1200 km radius was instantly vaporized. I think there was more than one impact, and the second one impacted on the Laurentide glacier, instantly turning miles of ice into a massive flashflood of freshwater. This massive influx of freshwater then disturbed the Atlantic Conveyor aka the Gulf Stream current, and triggered Younger Dryas.
Interestingly, Lochaber See is the site of a volcano in Germany (now a popular lake), and it erupted around that same time period, spewing ash into the atmosphere, prolonging the ice age. No proof, but what if the asteroid impact(s) caused a wobble in the tectonic plates, especially the release of all that ice must have caused an uplift of the North American plate, just enough to trigger the eruption in Europe?
Asteroid impacts are a lot more common than previously thought; the latest I've heard is it has to potential to happen every 26,000 years. It doesn't always happen, but it has the potential to do so. People tend to think -- wrongly -- that space is empty until one reaches the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. The truth is there are hundreds of thousands of small asteroids, most of them being small. What's more, is that when they do travel, they tend to pull along smaller ones in their trail. Just like Chicxulub. And, yes, I'm suggesting that it wasn't a comet that broke up, but was a large asteroid with some smaller "friends."
In any event, the asteroid impact(s) in North America incinerated everything east of the Rocky Mountains. South America already had humans. But this catastrophe cleared the slate for the subsequent migrations into North America from Siberia -- whether by land or sea. ANY previous populations were wiped out by the massive fires, evidenced by the burn layer in the soil record; below the burn layer, plenty of megafauna. Above the layer, no megafauna. This tells us directly why there is no genetic OR linguistic evidence of other HUMAN lineages in North America. They, too, died in the subsequent infernos that scorched the habitable land areas east of the Rockies. Those that survived in Beringia and the isolated Northwest were unable to withstand the many subsequent migrations either linguistically or genetically intact.
You sound like you're cautious, and I understand your academic reasons. But this asteroid event happened. It's been documented. Hexagonal nano-diamonds ONLY happen as the result of the immense pressured that occur during impacts into the earth. We need to follow the science, regardless of where it takes us, even if it changes our whole way of looking at things. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away, it simply caters to academics who don't want their own pet theories to get ruffled.
I'm fully aware most of what I've put forth is controversial. But there is verifiable evidence for it. And for all the calls for science as being based on "reason and logic," far too many academics treat those who challenge the current model, whatever it is, like the challengers were idolators and iconoclasts, just as zealots do. Far too often, instead of reasoned debate, character assassination happens and careers are destroyed. While they would deny it, some have adopted science as their religion, and then act accordingly to protect the status quo -- because dissertations (and thus, careers) are at stake! Alfred Wegener wasn't the first to postulate the theory that lead to our understanding of plate tectonics, but his was the most concise. While today his vision is lauded, when he first proposed the theory, he was so roundly criticized he vowed to never publish outside meteorology again. Max Planck - "Science advances one grave at a time."
Kudos for your presentation.
I agree with you on a good portion of this, but the peoples west of the Rockies did stay genetically distinct. The DNA from paisley caves matched current day Native American populations in Oregon and Washington
The 21000 years ago time line in my guestimation was about the time of peleg. Continents probably weren't even divided. Didn't need no land bridge.
You’re confused
Bluefish caves in the Yukon suggest first arrival around 24,000 years. Evidence for that was shown in the late 70s. Clovis 1st is so outdated. It’s ridiculous how slowly archeologists held on to the theory.
Since all the Obsidian/Clovis points were individually made over thousands of years, it's reasonable that variations would exist.
Not all obsidian are clovis points not many clovis points are obsidian.
duh! we have known this for a very long time, but it will never be allowed
It is and has been "allowed" by academia for a very long time. It is the work of archaeologists the revealed this, not alt-history followers.
This has been known (clovis wasn't first ) for most of the 21st century.
Amazing and thank you
Yeah them same archaeologists That’s sad there was no one here before 13,000 years ago so do you really wanna believe them on where Clovis came from?
I owe Graham Hancock an apology when he stops using words like maybe or could be or possibly. I could come up with a bunch of theories to it with the same words give me a break. He doesn’t use any scientific methods. Quite frankly, he calls archaeology like a specialist. Try to diagnose a disease. Can’t wait to see your comment.
If everyone new about the Ohio Ancient Advanced Culture cover-up ! They would , and eventually will crap themselves !
The Hueyatalaco site was dated by 5 seperate archeologists using 5 different methods and all gave dates over 200,000 years not 20,000 . The controversy is that other archaeologists don’t want to accept the proof that man or some other hominid was here 200,000 to a million years ago .all the archaeologists on the site are top notch . The fact they tried to did credit them when they did nothing but report the facts.facts are the artifacts /tools found found on the site are over 200,000 years old and probably closer to 2 million years old . You add that anomaly to the calico site now you have two add the footbprints near Hueyatalco you have three site older much older than 20,000 years old that’s a fact
Luminescent Dating Them should be used on all new archaeological finds that will tell you exactly how long the stone object has been underground but for some reason archaeologists never never use it which leaves me to ask why they won’t even use it on the pyramids, even though it’s more accurate than any other form dating stone objects
thermite paint!!!
Duh. Really? The evidence has been overwhelming for decades.
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don't forget the dig south of Mexico City. 26,000 and possible neanderthal.
Do any Native Americans have words in common with the Japanese language?
The archaeological evidence and dates of Clovis sites across the American hemisphere clearly show that Clovis people came from the east not west as your map clearly showed. Where are the large concentration of Clovis point discovered East Coast Clovis people use Solutrean technology. This is a fact.
Also some of the oldest dates are on the east coast. The DelMarva peninsula has many sites dating 18-21,000
@@qui-gonjay2944 here's something else they don't talk about the people of Northern Asia and the Mongolian steppe did not use Stone technology according to archaeologists they used bone and antler due to the fact that there is not that much good Stone to be found in Northern Asia or the Mongolian steppe let alone the Arctic circle and we're supposed to believe the minute they hit North America they made the most precise highly technical stone tools ever created man where is the progression of technology. I'll tell you where the solutions people in southern who made a tip identical to Clovis without the flute
clovis first was in reverse!
Not Western Europe, England. There were a few found in England. Finding some in Nova Scotia would make sense if they came from England. The North American culture was wiped out in the Younger Dryas catastrophe. I have artifact image evidence of red-haired fair-skinned people in Oklahoma during the Ice Age. My book Art By the Women of the Ice Age will be out in mid-January. I'm not saying they were here first, just here for a while.
How do you explain that 95% of Clovis archaeological sites are located on the east coast. I repeat east coast, and that Clovis technology is identical to Solutrean other than the flute. This does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that Clovis people arrived on the East Coast first.
That area is more habitable and less rugged than the west
Much like how the east is more densely populated today
@@Sixrabbbitit’s also why the attribute the lack of full blooded native Americans compared to the west. They say the east was colonized by the Europeans first and slowly made their way out west. They mixed with the native Americans and why a lot of the native Americans in the east coast look a lot less native than ones on the west coast
Very wrong. I'll watch only to feel vindicated.
archaeologists owe people like Graham Hancock a sincere apology. You guys are only confronting your dogmatic positions after the Graham Hancocks of this world have taken unwarranted abuse for decades, dragging academia back to reality over facts they would have just as soon continued to sweep under the rug and ignore.
Tell it like it is !!!
Graham is the best.
That’s totally hilarious. And so cute that you think Hamhock has had any influence on professionals. He’s for people like you, mommy’s special little boy.
@@WorldWokeApeCult When they are going to such lengths as to ban him from filming at the pyramids at Giza and Serpent Mound in Ohio, you bet he's had an influence. The professionals need to grow up.
Come on people really, what is so hard about the scientific method..
It's a process and it evolves over time when new information and methods can help us learn more. GH is just an entertainer of things on the fringe that always have fans but never are based on science so he and his like and fans can always play the victims of those people who want to cancel their truth, truth is objectively simple but always from the perspectives of moment and eventually will and should always believe in miracles and fantastic ideas with absolutely no basis or very little in fact and that's ok expected and unsurprising. But leave science to its tired and true process of evaluation. And enjoy every moment of your " their out to cover up the truth" for eternity.
@@jlujan63 The scientific method is fine if that's what's being practiced. The problem with your response is that it isn't. Science has become politicized, so the outcomes are predetermined and the funding/findings are only geared to support those predeterminations. That is the antithesis of science. That is dogma. And GH and others like him are telling you these emperors have no clothes. They are correct.
Well 1980s 'psychic communication with advanced alien' has this to say about the matter:
"I am Ra. This is the last question of this work. The civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria were not one but two. Let us look first at the Mu entities.
They were beings of a somewhat primitive nature, but those who had very advanced spiritual distortions. The civilization was part of this cycle, experienced early within the cycle at a time of approximately five three oh oh oh, fifty-three thousand [53,000] of your years ago. It was an helpful and harmless place which was washed beneath the ocean during a readjustment of your sphere’s tectonic plates through no action of their own. They set out those who survived and reached many places in what you call Russia, North America, and South America. The Indians of whom you have come to feel some sympathy in your social complex distortions are the descendants of these entities." Law of One 10.15
We Indigenous people need no sympathy from social complex distortions from eurocentric, self appointed philosophers.
Im not sure if i distrust "advanced alien" or "psychic communication" or the guy who wrote it all down but thats 3 strikes yer out.
Is crustyballs a common name for aliens? 🤣
So do I get you right? You are willing to accept that people from Japan came to the Americas across the largest body of water on this planet three times the size of the Atlantic, but you reject the Solutrean theory everything that you just said about Japan is the exact same evidence we have for Solutrean’s, except at that time there was some really large islands in the middle of the Atlantic. You are archaeologist who refuses to accept evidence when is put in front of you because it doesn’t agree with your theory quit being racist because that’s what you’re doing and except facts as are given to you I cannot watch anymore of this racist propaganda
Another problem with this is that your arguement is that they arived here by boat, but the boat was invented only 10000 years ago, and the points were here first.
When did you decide this
You really believe that modern man who has been around a hell of a lot longer than 10000 years. Has only been using boats for that long .😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Where's your proof ???
You do realize if man disappeared today . In 10000 years there would be nothing left on the surface to prove we were here .
@@markwallace5907 i mean I didnt decide. I was just fact checking on Google.
How the hell can you be certain that boats were not invented until 10,000 yrs ago! Your logic is stupid! There may have been boat usage many thousands of years before this time!
@@spacecadet4783Did you really research this?
Humans first arrived on the main Japanese islands more than 30000 years ago.
Humans first arrived on the Australian continent between 48000 and 50000 years ago.