Electric Screwdrivers Still Relevant? Milwaukee Pawnshop, Dewalt Magic. M12 Fuel Rules! But why?
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- Electric Screwdrivers Still Relevant? Milwaukee Pawnshop, Dewalt Magic. M12 Fuel Rules! But why?
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AV tech here. I grab my m12 screwdriver more than my m12 surge. It’s the ONLY power tool I’ll use on a rack.
AV Tech here as well. I carry the Dewalt in my pouch. It doesn’t have as much power as the Milwaukee, but it still works for loading racks, and is perfect for wall plates.
The m12 screwdriver was one my best purchases I use it for everything from a motorized scrub brush for dishes to a drill for lightweight materials. I paid $60 for it on a Black Friday. It’s perfectly for things like furniture. Like use I also have the surge when I need power but going to be in a confined space. I have tinnitus so I grateful to have lower db tools.
@@IGmeanwell likewise. I use the surge for self tappers, tapcons, toggles, and lags for tv mounts. I have to pull out my M18 fuel impact once in a blue moon.
Fire alarm tech here. Me too, the M12 screwdriver gets used daily whereas my M12 impact or even my M18 stuff is used less often. Love the M12 screwdriver.
This is essentially all i use. The impacts and impact drivers i dont even use. Screwdriver and ratchet are all i need.
Commercial aviation mech here, this is the fun of choice for panel removal/installation. Low torque and controllability.
I have that same screwdriver and it's great for electronics, I was fixing an electric piano held together with 50+ screws that go straight into plastic, the clutch meant none of them got stripped and I did not have to reinstall all of them by hand.
Appliance repair here. The two speed model of this is great. I use the clutch function ALL the time to make sure I'm not over sinking screws in thin sheet metal and plastic housings of appliances.
My Milwaukee M12 Screwdriver.....my favorite tool.
Post 2023 Black Friday close out sale - Kit of Bag, 2 batteries, charger, & tool, with Vet discount = $49.71.
Aviation mechanic here. I've got the 2 speed fuel version and it's by far the most used tool in my box.
Thousands of screws all over the place. Drills are too heavy and overpowered for a 15 inch pound screw. Impacts are great for removal, but the clutch is a must have when you're running in hundreds of screws while making sure they don't get over tightened.
If you look in the formula 1 garages they are all using installation drivers a well.
I use one of these daily for pinball repair. The low speed control is great, and the clutch settings are perfect for the range of fasteners I use. The other drivers may be more capable, but for my use they're not better.
Are you self employed or with a company? Really cool but I wouldn’t know there was a huge market for that!
This is a great tool for screwdriving, furniture work, or maintenance work. I have something similar from bosch, 12V platform, brushless, and a two stage gearbox, up to 1750 rpm, so I can use hex shank drill bits. It's very compact, my most used screwdriver. The clutch is very important most of the times, so I don't need the impact driver. I can use a little chuck with the hex shank if I use cilibdrical drill bits. Also 30 Nm hard torque is enough most of the time.
So I think this milwaukee is a great addition if you use the M12 tools. 👍👍👍👍
I bet this thing would be really good for small drywall repairs
I’m an appliance tech. In a lot of homes everyday from high end to apartments, I’ve got the M12 fuel impact, hammer drill and the driver and I love the driver for being in homes working on appliances for two reasons. 1 is the I can lower the torque so if I’m putting 30 screws in an oven cabinet in that sheet metal it doesn’t strip them out so the next time I work on it I’m not fighting screws that won’t come out and 2 The impact is very loud in a house, I’ve had it scare babies and dogs so I use the driver most of the time when I’m working on appliances in the house and I really like it.
I use Milwaukee daily as I fabricate lighting. The screwdriver is perfect for driving small self tapping screws into aluminum extrusion....you can't use impact style drivers as they strip the screws to easily and you only get one chance....
The m12 fuel version of the 2 speed screwdriver is my go to most of the time. The clutch is very useful for assembling ikea type furniture and playsets for my kids. It gets used 90% of the time for around the house tasks. If it broke tomorrow, I’d have another one bought by evening
I do maintenance at a mobile home park, I use the DeWALT Xtreme 12 volt screwdriver more than any other tool, from hanging mini blinds to replacing doorknobs, this tool sees way more use than my drill or impact driver
I bought mine e when that was the first M12 tool. I used it for airline travel to repair sites. My coworkers got them too. Still running strong after 8 years. The company bought the brushless one in another department. It was the first thing people would grab. We only have to work with screws, so lighter is better.
Aircraft maintenance, when your max torque for a screw is 30 inch pounds, any impact will exceed and break panels. Well, just use a drill driver. When the tool is in your hand for literally half you workday, probably overhead, the less weight or a screwdriver and torque limiter is a win win.
I love the m12 screwdriver, very versatile, compact to fit in cabinets/doorframes, great for disassembling things, drilling small holes. Will it struggle with larger screws? Yes, but drywall screws, machine screws, and pre drilled wood screws, all easy tasks. I stand by this, and I got the tool, two batteries, charger, and bag for $70 on sale like 4 years ago
I have 2, one I use, and one in reserve, so 1 new and 1 used, but both do that at #13 setting. #14 to drill overcome hand held resistance, but #13 hammers away.
People got these cheap about 3 years ago, in a set with the M12 brushed ratchet, and 2 batteries, for $70 total. They're great for disassembly and finish work.
The 2402 Fuel model is a hidden gem. My most used power tool as an electrician.
As a GM technician I probably use my screw gun on 80% of the repairs I perform. I keep all my drop in bits and nut drivers in a bit holder on my tool cart and even if its something as simple as removing an engine air filter box I grab it for almost every small screw I remove
it's one of my favorite tools, I love using it to build Ikea furniture or anything that I need a soft use.
Yes, yes they are, IMO.
I bought the fuel version 2 speed, 325 Inch Pounds and will drive 3"deck screws.
HD had it on sale for 129 in a kit.
Milwaukee has 3 versions. The one you have, a 275 inch pound and the 325 inch pounds. If you are doing a bunch of screws they really shine.
Those are very handy and manufacturing/assembly plants use that exact model, when you're doing repairs on things that are held together by plastic its important to have something that can do the job without breaking the project.
This tool is indispensable for high end appliance repair/maintenance. It’s actually the tool that made me choose to outfit with Milwaukee electric tools.
I just picked this Milwaukee tool at home depot. It was $86 for the electric screwdriver, two 1.5mah batteries and the charger, plus the carrying case. I work on my RC vehicles, so most of the stuff goes from metal screws to plastic. I was using my Makita drill that is very small too, but this Milwaukee is a bit smaller and a but lighter. And it's also a bit shorter in length. It's way slower than my drill, but I can get used to that. I'll probably use the drill to remove stuff and the Milwaukee to put stuff back on. I can also use different bit on both. Win win 👍
I’m an aircraft mechanic & I use mine all day everyday. Taking off panels it’s the first tool I go for when there’s space. I set the clutch at 6 or 8 for installing certain things and then I can go back and give it a final torque with a screw driver. A lot of the older…excuse me…experienced mechanics have their Snap-On ratcheting screw driver, but I don’t like it personally.
Works well for RC hobby cars and trucks so as to not over torque the little screws and nuts.
Just picked up this tool for that reason. $86 for the tool, two 1.5mah batteries and the charger. 4th of July sale at home depot 👍👍👍
I work in domestic gas in the UK (HVAC) and purposely wanted a small electric screwdriver.
I was going to get the Milwaukee but went with the very similar designed old brushed Bosch GSR 12-15 FC with the flexi-click system, then bought the newer bare GSR 12-35 brushless bare, which gave me the full kit but with both drills for the same price. Both are great.
Yes it isn't technically the same as it has the changeable drill chucks. Which are handy but I use them mostly for what I bought them for, as just screwdrivers.
They do a screwdriver only version GSR12-35HX which is a bit smaller and I would have been happy with, but the Flex-click was too good a deal to pass on in comparison
My test equipment aside, I use them more than any other powertool and I have them all. I'm getting old and the wrists are starting to feel the strain now.
I've got some long bits, up to 300mm long which get right into the back of boilers.
The light clutch, low torque settings, trigger speed control and small size are the main appeal.
Zipping on and off cases on boilers even removing electrical parts etc without stripping the head or crushing the new parts.
They are also used in fine carpentry, cabinet making, general technicians etc.
Not everyone wants or need an over powered tool, some jobs require a little finesse.
Many TH-cam reviewers seem to have tunnel vision with tools whereby the only important attribute is how fast and powerful it is, when that is the opposite of what is required.
Unfortunately too many tool manufactures take that as feedback for what the customer wants/needs. Which I suppose is true if they had poor training and don't know any better.
I've seen "technicians" on here YT doing repair work on customers vintage hifi equipment running the case screw in and out with an impact driver.
Same with some YT carpenters, making furniture and driving screws in (no countersink) with the 18v impact driver until it squashes the wood and starts rounding off the screwhead.
Really makes me wince every time.
Awesome tool for hex bits. Got as a kit for $45 on a black friday deal many years ago and was my entry into m12 since that got me batteries and a charger. Liked it so much i got the 2402 2-speed version. I have plenty of drill bits with 1/4 hex shank so i dont miss a drill chuck and its much faster to load a 1/4 hex drill bit than tighten a chuck. It's my goto for rack screws at work and around the house unless i'm doing lags (impact time).
I use mine ALL THE TIME! My wife loves it as well. I bought a set of 1/4" drill bits and some 3" Phillips bits and I'm good to go for those small projects around the house. Used it on a dishwasher repair, assembling IKEA furniture, doing electrical work, etc. I bought one for my son and he loves it as well. I was actually really surprised how much I liked it as it is kinda big and kinda heavy, but it is super sturdy, doesn't strip screws and overall it works really well!
That M12 screwdriver is one of my favorite tools for quick jobs where low torque is preferable. It's an essential tool for me to wrench on RC cars and not stripping everything all the time.
You're a ruthless horse trader, Doc!🤭🔥👏
I was looking at get 1 for my job as an alarm engineer think you've just sold it to me 👍🏻👍🏻
Love mine. You can find better deals too.
Had it for years.
I use that tool all the time at work. On robots and pickers 25 screws that clutch works great to not over tighten them. Plus being m12 I don't need to bring different batteries. I love it.
I have a brushless snap on cordless screwdriver, it's my main tool for opening electrical panels and gear for infrared inspections mainly for the mag boot, and the torque limiting.
I really like mine. Great for small tool and equipment assembly and disassembly. The clutch works fantastic
Seems like a nice tool for light work. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people purchase these 12v tools and complain they can't build a whole dang house with them.
I have the Fuel version, I use it often. I have been using my installation driver more these days. But it still comes out for large projects where I’m running multiple bit sizes so I don’t have to switch.
I have the fuel version of this and it's excellent. Versatile, with torque setting and and drill fuction that works with 1/4 drill bits. Usually run it on small fasteners and interior auto work.
Got the m12 installation driver as kind of a do it all daily tool i can use until need an 18v impact or hammer drill.
As a home owner/DIYer the installation driver (as a screw driver) is easily my most used power tool. And it can easily sit in my tool bag, on my hip, or in a drawer.
An 18v impact used to be a ubiquitous tool for me, but now its more like a specialty tool for heavier construction only.
That m12 screwdriver is one of the best tools I have ever owned. It's perfect for so many things. I turn to it before almost anything else. Use it before you write it off.
I have an m12 impact, drill, and the hammer drill. I use the screwdriver the most. The slow speed along with the clutch is good option for a lot of jobs.
That was my first M12 tool that got me into the system. I don't use it often but I still really like it. Great tool for doing switches and outlets etc.
I'm using the Bosch IXO 7, with its clutch addon for display furniture assembly, at my workplace. I don't want to overtorque or scratch something, plus it can get into tight and awkward positions
It's the best 30€ I've ever spent on a tool, saves me a lot of time
Take care, Dock
There’s a specific torque rating on the manual,which helps a lot on delicate hardware such as top of the engine accessories (ignition coil screws and such).
Keep a copy somewhere visible,an it will become indispensable!
If you like that screwdriver buy the 2402-20 which is the upgraded version its amazing and I use it everyday in applications I dont want my impact driver used
Im a mechanic i use the snap on 14.4 screw driver religiously for interior work like door panels and window regulators.
I like that You can still break the bolts loose by just twisting the gun, then toggle them out, same with tightening, slight gun twist to make sure they’re tightened once driven in. And it never cracks any door panels as it doesn’t over tighten.
I use mine for assembling furniture, it works really well for that.
When screwing in screws for electricians or electronics, it is important to screw in with a torque of 1 N/m. All screws for electrical switchboards, screwing screws into plastic, where too high a screwing force cannot be used. I use Bosh and Wiha zai Hause 44622 4 V 2000 mAh.
I had that Craftsman bit set when it first came out. It was great for the time.
Maybe dedicate it to use in cleaning with a quicklock drillbrush? It does seem a little bit redundant. I have that Dewalt, and the only reason i feel like my having that third tool (in addition to a hammerdrill & impact driver) is justified is because of the tiny size, the swiveling-handle formfactor, & the gyroscopic drive mechanism (agreed - "magic" is the right word - that's a really fun tool to use). The Milwaukee seems to be missing those things, but it could certainly take some of the dirtywork workload off your other tools. I think i might steal your double-beltclip-nailer idea btw🤙
i use my dewalt one all the time on my guitars like when changing strings since i intuitively know which way its turning even if i have it upside down or backwards, and its not powerful enough to strip out tiny wood screws on the guitar either
I do apartment maintenance and I use that same m12 screwdriver everyday
For just about any kind of aircraft maintenance, you're constantly removing and reinstalling a million little phillips screws. Without my M12 screwdriver I'd be incapacitated by wrist damage, not to mention slower to finish a task.
The fuel screwdriver is quite good it's what the installation driver should have been based on. That's why I ended up getting the bosch brushless 5 in 1 because the style that alot of us want 300ish ilbs enough to put in decks screws in a more controlled manor. I know many electricians that use the fuel screwdriver instead of a drill.
Envious of your Pawn shops in Montana. In Ohio, it's a lot of junk and they always list full retail price on them before you negotiate, and then they still want more than I'm willing to pay. Typically only battery powered tools and no hand tools.
I love that tool for deck boards. It has enough power for 2 1/2 inch screws and it doesn’t hammer. I have sensitive ears. Just diy guy no pro. Also was great when I was an refrig tech.
Milwaukee needs to update their M4 screwdriver. I love my vessel screwdriver 220-P1
I use the Bosch version of this screwdriver every day but the better ones have 2 speeds and torque settings. Milwaukee has a fuel version as well. Everyone I know that has used that dewalt gyro for work was broken within weeks.
The clutch is the thing that I would use that for. I have that same Fuel drill/driver and the electronic clutch on that, even at one, is too much. I also have the version after that one with a mechanical clutch and it's still too harsh on one. I ended up getting the Fuel Installation driver and the clutch works better but seeing you test the clutch on that screwdriver I would say that's the one to use for small screws.
The big part of those are torque adjustment (especially where only light torque is needed) as well the the important part of positive locking in any bit or extension. Magnetic bit holders are a big no-no in any electronic/tech arena as well as most aircraft uses.
I took your advice and went to the swapmeet and pawnshop for used tools and found a multitool n battery for about 44. But sadly not a electric screwdriver in sight.
I use regular sized battery drills and impacts and I also use screwdriver sized electric screwdriver. I like to keep it simple. Have other stuff to worry about.
I almost destroyed some furniture I bought using a normal power drill.
No way I would want to use a hand screwdriver for furniture assembly. Even a cordless screwdriver (mostly for electronics)
That’s why I bought this little guy.
The focus on this is to have low torque clutch.
I use mine every day at work I have to put lots of small screws in plastic and it’s low enough torque to do that but also has enough power for some of the bigger screws I have to deal with
These are great for small homeowner projects, putting together furniture, etc... far from irrelevant.
In the realm of screwdrivers, I'd love to pick up the m12 milwaukee installation drill/driver kit, but it's north of $170 for just the bare tool setup.
Are they discontinued? I can't find them in any EU shop. Great video by the way
Have one but rarely sees use tend to go for a hand screwdriver as a lock smith
This is my most used tool. I think it’s awesome.
Great tool love it
Not gonna lie, I still wouldn't buy that for 30. Within the last year, this has TWICE been on sale for 60 dollars and the new in box kit is the driver, TWO 1.5 batteries and the charger. Source: I work at HD.
The clutch is clutch
I use it all the time. Those impact drivers to fast and hard for work on plastic. Removing engine covers on small engines
Any and all tools are still relevant if you still use them especially on a regular basis.
Right now, the single tool is $49 new
The Bosch and Dewalt version are better, mostly because they are lighter, just as compact if not more, and just as powerful. The Milwaukee is too heavy for just being a screwdriver and yes, I’ve had them all. and yes, I think for most tasks people do one of these screwdrivers is more than enough, I feel like people bust out the impact driver for everything, when realistically most of the time and impact driver is too much.
If price isn't a concern, the M12 install driver seems like a much better option?
Yeah the install driver is but for a cheap basic screwdriver using m12 batteries this is a decent option. It actually goes on sale a lot or you can buy it used.
I just ordered one from MAC today lol for 86 bucks.
yep its always down to the clutch and the torque range and increments... to be honest the brands of milwaukee and dewalt generally speaking doesnt have very good drill clutches. that they are basically useless for driving more sensitive screws.
here i happen to have a makita subcompact 18v which has same clutch as their installation driver. and while the clutch is actually pretty amazing. and is indeed a lot better (way better) than other brands / alternatives. the thing is that even with the makita that the lowest possible clutch #1 setting can still be perhaps 2x too high for the most sensitive and delicate screw operations. for example you have some cheap low cost product, and you are turning the screws into a plastic housing or injection moulded piece. and they then strip out the delicate plastic damaging it.
however my makita installation driver is indeed ok for most wood materials or plastics. or melamine whatever. then the clutch will indeed works well and kick in.
then if you want to pay a heck of a lot of money, festool can perhaps be better. but just way more for the batteries and bits collets system etc. to be so cost prohibitive to even consider for most people.
this all because we cannot want useless tools, since ideally the same tool also can drive much harder screws. like for impact driver. so the vast differences in the torque ranges. and requiring different motor windings or different gearing. to require differentiated product. and make as an extra dedicated tool... what i have here is all makita 18v platform. so then the sub compact drill driver (is same gearbox and clutch as makita's installation driver). and then their flagship td173 impact driver for most other regular stuff. which is much more powerful. however then makita also has their 40v hammer drill which is really super powerful and much larger tasks. yet it indeed also has a very fine 40 levels of electronic clutch settings. which at the minimum levels is even more delicate than my 18v subcompact installation driver one. so for that would require to be on 40v platform too... (but the drill itself is dirt cheap for what you get, its like 135 gbp over here in uk, so maybe around $170 usd?). which is actually really dirt cheap for the fact it's the best drill on the market bar none in its category. and a really professional contractor grade high performance tool. its just those darn 40v makita batteries are so expensive. to go with it
so there you have it! probably also several other cheap low torque electronic screwdrivers out there too. for doing the very lowest torque levels (to be almost too much slow and useless for regular fastening tasks). but it's all specifically about the precise nature of very finer torque levels. to be neither too little, nor too much. to be able to drive the fastener securely tightened. yet without breaking the work and then ruining those more delicate fasteners. which is usually some cheap-o plastic parts
A surprised how sold americans seem to be on impact drivers for everything. Overseas we use electric screwdrivers for 95% of ones needs. But ours have a drill mode.
Milwaukee fan boys entering the chat
I don’t care what brand you choose, this style of tool is the only electric tool that makes sense in a ton of equipment/appliance applications.
A drill would do the same exact thing but you get a keyless chuck and a lot more power if you need it