Clone Army vs Death Korps of Krieg
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(00:00) - Intro
(00:59) - Clone Training
(02:30) - Krieg Training
(04:29) - Clone Achievements
(05:22) - Krieg Achievements
(06:24) - Krieg and Clone Skill
(07:30) - Specialized Units
(08:29) - Krieg and Clone War
(09:29) - Membership
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I would like to clarify that in an all out war the clones get wiped (due to numbers) however my conclusion was that each clone would prob be worth 2.5 death korp soldiers. However, I would like to preface that the korp is extremely skilled and resilient which allows them to break moral. They would not have the psychological advantage over the clones since clones are designed to not be fazed or break down mentally by horrific weapons.
Thus in terms of which army is strongest it would be the krieg without a doubt, but in terms of which army is more effective, better equipped, and more tactically sound then the GAR wins.
Comment which army you think is better, also comment what you wish to see next.
Please do how many Clone Legion's die before Samus Aran dies, please!
Do warframes and tenno next please
The clones are the superior army when it comes to tactical flexibility and efficiency and are all round the more optimal army. The death corps are way better as all-out assault troops on a large-scale battlefield, all day any day of the week. This is my own opinion, and others are welcome to agree or agree to disagree.
UNSC 1st Armored Brigade 34th Armored Division AKA the "Holy Rollers" Vs a regiment of the Armageddon Steel Legion
UNSC vs 40k blood pact, since both use Autoguns in futuristic sci fi
Krieg fight with clones be like
Krieg Soldier: sir there is a forrest in the way
Krieg Commander: fire untill there isnt one
Krieg soldier: yes sir
😂😂
@@HelmetHeadLore You forget tank and heavy artillery aspect of Krieg - they LOVE it , while clones usually prefer light infantry
@@user-fp3in2kf3b and weapons of mass destruction, gas nukes...
Same kinda goes for mountains ngl
Reminds me of an exchange between Cody and Obi Wan from the 2003 series.
"The siege goes well, with our continued barrage their shield will be down in three months."
"But we've been here a month already!"
"Yes sir! We're right on schedule!"
Yuuzhan vong vs the tyranids could be interesting
World Ships are basically giant hamburgers to the Nids.
I WAS JUST THINKING THAT GG BRO
World ships would just be giant hamburgers to the Nids.
Rakata empire vs the tyranids would be fire to
Interesting for the nids... Well their taste buds. If nids have those that is.
The Clone Troopers do have actual armor
and maybe a little effective to the standard death krieg soldier lasgun given it is mean to protect against laser weapon and shrapnel .
@@madmalou1057 maybe, but lasguns vaporize limbs, sw the blasters usually don't, scorch marks are common, but I would expect clone armor to absorb more than a few hits (honestly more than one, but being generous), combine that with clone weapons being geared towards droids also adds a bit of a slant.
Gun wise krieg are either equivalent or superior
@@SPNKr02 First of all w40k fan nickname the lazgun rifle "flashlight" by how underpower one is ,after when you get 100 on the same targeet that work apparently but I'm not judging , second clone weaponery is not mostly toward droid it's just standart weapon tech of the universe apart from some specialized weapon like the emp grenade but they still mostly use thermal grenade .
Third star wars univers have weapon who while vaporize you completly with one shot but it's usually ban by convention ,look Mandolorian S1 it's good example.
And Blaster shot can and will poison your body fast if your not being take care of ,killing you generaly in the process.
And there is a lot and lot of more lore wise in both universe weaponery who is not said or know by both side of the coin to so we can't make statement alone of who got the best gun wich is ridicule non the less x) stop the d*ck competition xd
@@madmalou1057 it's underpowered for 40k, where you got hand held pistols that can slag tanks and vaporize Marines in full power armor, it still blows limbs off. You haven't looked into it honestly I see, I do recommend a video explaining one to definitely get the info right. No recoil, instant bullet travel with no drop off, weigh 1/2 what clone rifle does, and can recharge it with a camp fire.
Clone training is superior, but the weapons each carry, the lasgun is the better standard equipment, and special weapons wise a meltaguns/plasma guns are better than anything star wars can come up with except for the disintegrator in a few situations, maybe some obscure eu stuff that I don't know.
@@madmalou1057 When the baseline is a handheld, full auto APHE rocket launcher of course the "lowly" lasgun is a "flashlight" in comparison. Remember, clones are still only T3, thought they do have a 4+* armor, but to translate one crunch to another, that only have a 5+ to hit roughly, and I can't think of anything that would indicate that they have better than a S3 weapon.
And the Kreigs' weapons are supposed to be more powerful anyways, at the cost of rate of fire.
10th ed Kreig T3, SV5+, W1, BS 4+, S3, D1 (Krieg also have scary special abilities in 10th ed, I hadn't read their rules before this)
Phase 1 Clone Troopers T3 SV4+ W1 BS5+ S3, D1 (Phase 2s can either up their BS to 4+ or their SV to 3+)
Thing about kriegers is they actually specialize in trench and siege warfare. If they can dig in and establish a foothold, the Death Corps is very hard to dislodge. The Siege of Vraks a testament of the Kriegs men down right meanness.
Also their mass wave tactics was unfortunately a can strategy in WW1. The idea being once your troops (the survivors… if any) reach the enemy trench, they sweep through and clear them out. Trench line to trench line, bunker to bunker; ripping and tearing until it is done. It’s a dirty, brutal affair that leaves a high casualty rate, both physically and mentally. That’s what the Desth Corps of Krieg specializes in.
40k is inspired by Ww1 and ww2 tactics but using them they are not since they have technology
@@whiteeye3453 sry sentence structure is throwing me off. But I think understand the point you’re trying to make. I do agree that technology influences how we wage war. A single aspect of a spectrum of influences, but a good one nonetheless.
Medieval warfare gave way to Pike and Shot which in turn gave way to Napoleonic warfare. Then Napoleonic Warfare gave way (kicking and screaming) to Trench Warfare with advent of cheaper rapid fire weapons. Then Trench Warfare gave way to Mechhanized Warfare with tanks and Air superiority being the main factors. And it goes on.
@@chadsmith8966 exactly
I mean in future most Sci fi use meele weapons
@@whiteeye3453 like Dune 😏.
@@chadsmith8966 to be fair Dune was inspired by bronze age warfare
Fallout Enclave vs Half Life Combine
coughing baby vs nuclear bomb
You are forgetting lasguns are really op compared to blasters
Aren't they the sane thing?
They really aren't clone armor is designed to absorb heat it then blackens and crumples off odds are it can take a shot or two
@@coolbeans3752 lasguns are legit lasers in every way (no recoil, light speed travel time), blasters shoot bolts, hence hinting at a plasma
well in reel science it's the opposite a working even semi plasma rifle like the blaster in star wars will be always better at the same energy input of the gun than a laser weapons witch is lasgun in W40k but to get Krieg a point theire lasgun is mor powerfull than classic lasgun, having slower firerate.
@madmalou1057 The main advantage of the las gun is travel time
Galactic marines would kick the crap out of them.
Honestly, yeah. Those guys were hardcore.
The Dark Empire in WH40K or The Dark Empire vs a Nids invasion.
To put it simply
1 clone is worth 100 krieg
But for every 1 Clone there is 500 krieg
Honestly. I feel like if one clone fought a hundred kreig it would be very one sided. But this would lead to the same outcome
By that math each Krieg equals 2 battle droids, as somewhere in the EU it was suggested each clone was worth 200 battle droids.
The clones are already very used to that style of warfare
Look up how many Battle Droids were built..
Weren’t the clones a galaxy spanning force like the entirety of the imperial guard?
Lol same, I accidently watched my first clone wars episode back in the day and ever since then Clones of any kind has had me by my balls. It didnt matter that I started the show out of order, without context and halfway through the series. Clones are goddamn awesome XD
No way, you listend! I thought you were joking, thank you very much sir as a Death Korp of Krieg representative I approve of this :)
Of course Kriegsman I'm glad you approve 🫡
I think the Clones will make a good quick and small strike force in the imperium of man. Like a vanguard or strike force that isn’t as expensive.
Maybe Video idea: What if the CIS was Part of the Tau Empire?
Could a Space Marine Chapter or a Legion defend the Star Wars galaxy vs The Yuuzhan Vong invasion?
I don't see why the CIS would be a part of the Tau, and not Vice Versa
Thing is, they already have Tempestus Scions, Inquisitorial shock troops, and a pile of power-armored Adepta Sororitas, and that's before they bother to call the Astartes.
Best use of clones might be for Astartes. Jango's one tough SOB, if his genetics are suitable for genesead, then you can mass produce suitable candidates for Astartes chapters
Clone troopers May not look it but they are way better than the average.Human being go have a look at alpha seventeen if you don't believe me
@@crowe6961That didn't stop the Is imperial guard from developing more specialist groups like the elysian drop troops
Bucketheadlore,
Another interesting one would be Chimera from the Resistance series, as they grow their numbers by infecting and converting human beings against their will, similar to the Flood from Halo, but much more obscure, because they’re from a PlayStation exclusive series. They exist in an alternate timeline where instead of WW2, we fought these horrible alien / human hybrids. You might have to do a surprising amount of research for Chimera, only because even through they only exist in a few games, because the way they turn humans and increase their numbers changes between the first and second game. Also their leader doesn’t so up until Resistance 2.
Im actually very familiar with the chimera and I think they would be a very interesting faction to discuss.
Do Eternal Empire or Revan's Sith Empire, both factions have enough crazy battle droids that commit twenty types of tech heresy at the same time just by existing. Enough to make all the Imperium's Tech-priests have an aneurysm. Also Revan has the Starforge which just basically prints infinite droids and spaceships, so have fun with that.
What was kinda left out is that the Death Korps has access to a much more powerful arsenal of weapons
Great breakdown. I would love it if you added a category to talk about the weapons and gear a little, but awesome video. Keep it up.
It should also be added that blasters are better than laser weapons.
Says who your mama?
Blaster are slow and still feel force of shooted projectile were as lasgun are in some instances just as powerful if not slightly powerful than blaster
@@whiteeye3453 Haber, it's common for people to underestimate the blaster, but it's much more powerful than the laser gun.
*First things first, laser weapons already existed in Star Wars, but they were discontinued to replace them with the blaster because they were better, since they are plasma.
*Secondly, the blaster is so strong that it can pass through blind vehicles if they don't have energy shields.
*Third, we see several times that they can pass through people easily, but the worst thing is that when someone is shot, not only will it evaporate the organs, it will also cause horrible bleeding and since it cauterizes, the bleeding will be internal. .
*Fourth, even if you survived because you were hit in the leg, for example, it is likely that if you do not receive medical attention, you will die. The reason is that the remains of the plasma will enter your system and burn you from the inside. That's why in movies or series someone who has received a shot that doesn't seem so lethal ends up dying.
*And Fifth, there is a faction in 40k that already uses something similar, the tau uses blaster
@@naturaangel3154 tau use pulse riffle and no what you describe was lasgun capability of power
Exept lasgun are more accurate and don't have same feel wheen shot what I mean by that
When you shot a gun you feel counter force from shoted gun
Were as lasgun don't have that problem
Plus blaster are not plasma weapons
@@whiteeye3453 The operation of a Pulse Rifle and a blaster is practically the same, there are even images on both sides of their operation to confirm it.
The blaster is ionized gas, it's plasma, there's no way to argue with that.
Look, I buy that the laser can be faster because of the speed of light, but the myth that blasters have bad aim is false.
Also the blaster has almost no recoil.
@@naturaangel3154 first of yes they have recoil because like you said they use heated gas to shoot
Only laser have no reoil
Second of
Setting aside the actual power for now, there are tons of factors to consider. Lasguns are easily repaired, easily operated, and extremely easy to fieldstrip even in the extreme conditions the guard operates in. In addition, it's so easy to produce it's almost as cheap as the guardsman wielding it. Furthermore, the Lasguns needs only a powercell, while the blasters (as I seem to remember) require both a power cell as well as a gas supply. Even better, if my memory is correct you can leave the power packs in the sun for a while to recharge them at least partially.
Then there is power. The Lasguns just straight up destroys the blaster. Besides the fact that it' completely lacks any recoil, it's damage far outstrips that of any remotely man portable blaster. Evaporating any flesh it hits directly and causing the surrounding tissue to explode outwards due to the contained water vaporising nearly instantly. There is no shaking off a wound from a Lasgun, while blasters still have to hit vital organs/large blood vessels and wait for the target to bleed out. And while it suffers against anything wearing armour, it's still not completely useless, even less so if multiple of them shoot at the same target.
And third yes tau weapon are better than lasgun but also they are wąsy better than blasters
I prefer the Expanded Universe of the Clones such as Arc Troopers and where they number with at least more then a few billion rather then just six million. I seen some fanfics try to give the total amount 10 billion. However considering the 2 million worlds of the Star Wars galaxy ranging in some sources I heard like 4.6 sextillion population which is really absurdly ridiculous in population is extremely small in comparison. Even if you reduce it to one hundred quadrillion it unfortunately is not enough still to cover the logistics much but it's a start in the right direction.
A shameful thing about GW other then all the rest of the bs they've been doing against the fanbase lately and before, is that their writers have no true comprehension and awareness of scale and the implications needed to make a war on a planet as famous and major as they are trying to depict for a galaxy like Warhammer 40k where the Imperium has a million worlds even when heavily fractured, slow extremely strict communication networks that are crude and inefficient and slow very hazardous FTL travel with a demographic population that is supposed to range in the many many quadrillions even if the Imperium is no where close to reach a quintillion number population like the Foundation series empires there should still be a lot of trillions of Guardsmen in total all across the Imperium actively.
In the siege of Vraks GW writers always make the statistic numbers so small for the logistics that are supposed to be covered. Only 14 million casualties for the Krieg size in the span of 12 years? That's pretty small not even half of total soviet number of casualties in WW2. Even with static warfare with trenches and fortifications on a world with one large city on Vraks they should have made the population larger. Example a hundred or two hundred million would have been better. That would make it better. They should amp the amount of Krieger recruitment coming out of either the Krieg planet or solar system to a bare minimum of 700 million - a billion a year to cover the many worlds their regiments are going to be spread across thousands of war contested worlds and losing many Kriegers at the same time.
Battlefront 2 states the droid army numbers in the billions, and in the clone wars dooku states the droids outnumber the clones a hundred to one. So, at minimum, there should be 20 million clones. In legends, the droid army numbers in the low trillions. Using dooku's statement puts them at 10-30 billion.
There being over 327 star corps also insinuates the number being higher than 6 million.
Well most worlds weren't actually even touched during the Clone Wars, most of the fighting was concentrated in a few thousand very important worlds either in very rich regions or in hyperspace lanes.
So a Clone Army of a few tens of billions is perfectly plausible.
@@pablosoleramaeso4561 It's also important to note, clones were a minority fighting force. Most of the fighting against the droid armies were done by planetary militias
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That is a good accurate answer I have to recognize.
@@myduckisonqauck7227
Also good answer. For Expanded Universe this would be good to put onto the statistics of the Clone Wars.
I wonder how much of a death toll the Great Sith wars, the Mandalorian wars, and Jedi Civil war would have to be to cause the Old Republic to nearly collapse economically, logistically, politically, industrially, and culturally. Tens of thousands of worlds would have to be ravaged and hundreds of others nearly totally devastated by the fighting. Something like the Yuuzhan Vong war's death toll was.
My favorite characters in anything ever: the commanders from Legend of the Galactic Heroes for being the exact kind of people that would take the Clones' lunch money and invest it in more capital ship building, and for the record, Grand Admiral Thrawn's as well. It also helps that Legend of the Galactic heroes is what Star Warriors THINK the Clone Wars TV series is.
So Legend of the Galactic Heroes is a show that nerfs classic villains into walking jokes of what they were and has kiddie-level morality that even a grade schooler can poke holes in? LOL, you should have seen the fan reaction to TCW when it first released. Back then, it was the butt of every joke in the fanbase, and they couldn't stand Ahsoka Tano. It was only because the later seasons got darker and more serious did the show win some credibility, but even then, some fans never truly embraced it, while other fans could barely tolerate it. Sure, the kids who saw it as kids loved it, but they weren't the original SW fans.
@@HolyknightVader999 Wasn't Legend of the Galactic Heroes an anime full of entire fleets of space warships duking it out?
@@jvbutalid8316 Exactly. Trying to say that it's like TCW is like trying to say Danny Phantom is like Bleach.
Clone wars is the best Rex should of kept the tile of commander during the season 7
You should do "could the saiyans survive as a race in warhammer 40k" always fascinated me as a topic
Almost definitely they could, but not as their own faction for long. Three words, Khornate Berserker Saiyans.
@@rythianlonghammer5263But can Corn beat Goku?
@@ls200076 of course corn can’t beat Goku, have you seen how he eats?
yes
Cool vid dude!
Would be interested to see you cover something like how the AC's from the Armored Core franchise, namely the Next models, would perform against the forces of the 40K universes.
Army vs Army it's Krieg, a basic Krieger is easily as skilled as modern special forces, and churn out soldiers 20 million every ten years
(Edit, 50 million a year)
1v1 it's clone, imagine having an army that's all carbon copies of some peak athlete like Mike Tyson, trained since they were in tubes with combat info dumped into your brains.
Edit: clone armor also would stand pretty well against Lazguns. A Lazer by definition has no mass to "punch thru" an object like a bullet or blaster, it has to melt thru. Clone armor is specifically designed to diffuse heat, and just the color white is well known to the be the best color for handling lazers. And it's not like star wars weapons are that far off from lazguns, having multiple plot relevant instances where their melt steel and bust concrete, and the books say they can do this as well. There was a whole three episode arc of the clone wars where clone blasters were used constantly underwater. The heat generated for that to happen is insane (Lazguns can do the same in the books tho)
20 million every 10 years? My guy, the clones, had created an entire military in less than 2 years on Kamino. The ENTIRETY of Kamino is used for cloning
@@loselot6044 Sifo dias ordered an army 9 years before the clone wars. And they only made like 6 million bro. Kriegers do 3 times that
@@phil3751Battlefront 2 states the droid army numbers in the billions, and in the clone wars dooku states the droids outnumber the clones a hundred to one. So, at minimum, there should be 20 million clones. The 327th Star Corps existing puts clone numbers over 6 million.
@@loselot6044 The numbers of the clone army in canon are very strangely very low, to the point where it's unrealistic, I remember reading something like 1.5M at the start of the clone wars, that is unbelievably low, for reference the red army was something like 6.5M strong in 1944
@@myduckisonqauck7227 that might actually be accurate. Canon Lore says a majority of Jedi knights were generals in the war. And there were 10000 Jedi knights, so at the lowest estimate 5000 jedi were generals (any lower and it wouldn't be a majority), if they each commanded a regiment of clones, which given a clone regiments size, would increase the clone count to 11 million. If we assume 9000 Jedi knights were generals it would be 20 million
While this was an interesting match-up, I don't believe the Kriegers are a good enemy to pit against the clones due to their foundamantly different approaches to warfare and uses within their universes.
I believe that the Cadian Shock Troops would be a better fit. Elite soldiers, trained from birth on a dark planet, are used as shock troops and not as a human wave.
All in all, good video.
Recommendatiom for the next: Elysian Drop Troopers vs ODSTs. Alternatively, you can swap out the former with the Harakone Warhawks if you find them cooler.
Yeah but each Republic Star corps specializes in different doctrines of warfare, like Obi-wan’s 212th Clone legion I believed specialized in siege warfare but that’s honestly kinda obscure lore as we don’t see how they’re distinct.
@@sercravenmohead3631 So do the Cadians. They have light infantry, heavy infantry, mechanised infantry, light armor, heavy armor, super heavy armor and siege regiments. Not to mention the Kasrkin are the most elite non-Astartes troopers in the Imperium, surpassing even the Tempestus Scions.
@@simplewrites Right, but an element that wasn’t brought up in the video is the fact that every clone is a replicated variant of the Mandalorian bounty Hunter Jango Fett specifically chosen for his warrior genes. Which is an edge for having better reflexes and athleticism which guarantees higher quality troops just by having better genetics. While I’m sure there are exceptional guardsmen the baseline of skill isn’t as high as the clone troopers and I don’t doubt Cadian training being on par if not better but they don’t breed talent and clones have that plus training with experience. Clones generally have more freedom to explore tactics and use non conventional means for combat varying from situations. Cadians is what I would consider to be the most representative of a modern army in our world but it’s still rigid in command structure and Imperium dogma, the Clone army is adaptive at it’s core and make specialized troops for any environment and NCOs within the ranks can function independently to get tasks done on the smaller scale which is why I think Clones do modern army better than Cadians.
@@sercravenmohead3631 Cadians have a high amount of freedom when it comes to pursuing an objective. Not only that, they've had 10,000 years of military and genetic evolution. Every soldier born on Cadia comes from a line of battle-hardened veterans who've spent their entire lives (longer than the clones could even live) fighting the innumerable hordes of humanity's enemies.
They have an very long history of fighting xenos, heretics, and demons. They've beaten Tyranid hive fleets, Ork WAAAGHs, Abaddon's Black Crusades, Demon invasions, Necron awakenings, and Tau expansions. The Tau themselves remark on the quality of the Cadian Shock Troops, saying that they are the greatest foes the Imperium has sent after them apart from Space Marines.
The clones might have the blood of a famed bounty hunter and warrior. But the Cadians have had 10,000 years of non-stop war that shaped their very existence. They are born soldiers and killers.
@@simplewrites I mean the same can be said for Mandalorians, they’re the Galaxy’s most renowned warriors rivaling the Jedi and they hunt and tame beasts all over the galaxy and live on extreme planets. They’re basically Catachans with better armor, Clones are cloned from that lineage. Jango Fett killed multiple Jedi who use force precognition and have inhuman supernatural abilities and Fett had the reflexes, stamina, and athleticism to be on par even contesting Obi-Wan who is one of the order’s best Jedi Knights who would go on to be master and sit on the council. Genetics is something that is debatable here, but I’m still leaning Clones due to Mandalorian heritage and feats. Cadians still get absolutely slaughtered they just do it a bit less than other regiments where as mandalorians don’t and they fight all manner of beasts, force users, ect and usually come out on top. There were moments Jango could’ve killed Obi-Wan and it took the battle master of the Jedi Order Mace Windu to put him down.
Then if you look at equipment the clone armor is clearly better with heads up display, able to survive in extreme conditions like the vacuum of space, Blasters based on the Shatterpoint novel co-written by George Lucas have the blunt impact of .50cal and it’s superheated plasma which can eat up Space Marine armor which Tau weapons often do and they use plasma, Im certain blasters are armor piercing to IG vehicles so I have to give the edge on stopping power, volleys would begin to slag Leman Rus tanks. The standard clone is just better equipped versus the standard Cadian and they have specialized clone variants for all the different elements and terrain. They can fight effectively in space, underwater, jungles, deserts, mountains, you name it. They also have better support roles like combat engineers that can reliably fix and repair vehicles versus the guard outsourcing maintenance to tech priests which are technically a different faction with their own goals and motives. If you have damaged vehicles the guardsmen will have to wait for Tech Priests to arrive on the battlefield which in my mind is a hinderance and lack of cohesiveness. Clones also have better casualty retention because they’ll actually heal and rehabilitate injured clones where Cadians are often expected to just die fighting. Cadians are the gold standard of IG but they’re not above wave assaults, political commissars, and the general callous nature of Astra-Militarum warfare. They wouldn’t mass produce weapons effective for countering Energy based weapons for specific enemies. They run standard loadouts and gear for every battle and they do have countermeasures but they’re not gonna shift priority like Clone armies would. Cadians don’t even possess the knowledge to make things all that is done by the Mechanicus. Clones would observe what works best and make requests for more of what they need and it will reliably show up to be used in the same battle because SW FTL is better and they can communicate across the galaxy with no hiccups and delay. I could see Cadians having the initiative in the beginning but the Clones would adapt and turn it around. I think ARC troopers and Clone Commandos are gonna be effective and good opponents to Scions and Kasykryn.
I think it’s a good fight and not a blowout, lots of nuances to consider.
In the 15 hrs they get more battle XP than a clone will have in a lifetime.
The cabal empire from destiny would give the imperium a run for thier money
1. Flash learning I feel like gives clones an edge but I understand the giving the point to Krieg
2. There is no possible way the clones numbered 7 million. I believe there’s 6 million “units” mentioned in the prequels which have to be significantly more than one clone per unit to make sense. In a quote from Star Wars Complete vehicles new edition it says “The vessel waits in orbit with the Separatist fleet as the droid kidnappers return with their valuable prize-but before they can flee, thousands of Republic battleships engage the craft, trapping it in upper atmospheric combat within the planet’s defensive shield.”
The Venator class star destroyer was used as the main battleship by the republic and had required 7400 personnel to function, but assuming all those battleships weren’t venators and the number was just barely thousands we could use the EXTREMELY conservative estimate. Of 5000 personnel across 2000 ships which would give us a 10 million clones on a single planet in a single battle at a time, not including the shock troopers on the surface or the reserve forces aboard the ships, the forces literally anywhere else in the galaxy and it still FAR outstrips the number you gave. If you said there were only 1000 venators and each had its 7400 personnel it would still amount to 7.4 million clones, still beating your crazy low number. In reality the clones were a galaxy spanning army whose size would be more comparable to the imperial guard, whose job is to protect all of the Milky Way, while the galaxy in Star Wars is either the same size or larger than the Milky Way. (100,000-120,000 light years, according to the wiki)
3. Krieg for achievements I think is totally fair, however, the goal of war is not to die for your country but to make the enemy die for his. High death tolls are not a point in favor of Krieg, and clones are already well equipped to deal with wave tactics since that was the primary way their enemies fought, and the Krieg numbers don’t matter all that much if the clones are a galaxy spanning army that can match those numbers. Additionally, some estimates but battle droid numbers in the quadrillions.
4. I think the logic tracks for skills but I don’t necessarily agree. I think they’re very equal
5. Definitely a win for the clones , and would cause Krieg huge problems
6. Nice analysis, but again I can’t agree on the point about numbers.
I think this a good analysis but I’d like to see more categories explored, and pit the clones in a closer matchup
ok, this may not be the best suggestion for a video, but how well do you think the IMC of the tittanfall games could do in the Warhamer40k Universe? although a pilot wouldn't be able to beat a space marine in a fight, the IMC has a pretty decent army and in titanfall 2 they even managed to make a death cannon to destroy a planet (even though that cannon was destroyed before they could use it).
Bro the intro is literally me 💀
Hearing both the GAR and DKoK being “Vat grown child soldiers” is something I kinda forgot about it
An interesting concept conflict could be the imc (interstellar manufacturing corporation) vs astra militarum.
Can you do a video about how the star wars universe would fair off if chaos invaded
Have you ever thought about doing the same video as you did with : What if The CSI was in Warhammer 40k. With the Galactic Republic ? I believe it could be really cool
If the CIS went all in and cut ties with darth Cidius, it would be over in about a month, not to mention the comic where there were blueprints to a superior B1 that were destroyed by a B1.
Can you do a versus between the mechanicus vs the droid army
Another interesting video that you did well done. The Clone Commandoes are well trained while having the Armor and having personal Deflector shields on them. I say the Starwars Clone Army would win.
Pretty please do a video for the galactic empire vs super earth
My friend suggested this video.
Please do how many Space Marine Chapters would die fighting Samus Aran from Metroid next please!
For the standard way a army could operate in a galaxy the clones make sense, the krieg even in warhammer are a reinforcement powerful army.
Could you do a video on what scenarios could play out if the Sayin species from dragon ball (a day before Frieza destroyed them) appeared with their planet intact in the world of war hammer 40k?
I edited my post to improve it some more. Now for a personal match up I had been thinking of. How would the united Mandalorian Clans during the Mandalorian wars fair against the Covenant from Halo?
ok so two things
one: when it comes to the terrain I think the Death Korps of Krieg will simply bomb it until it's their liking or create city-size craters but if they do not have artillery then yeah the clone will win
two: could you do Catachan jungle fighter vs Predator or Necrons vs Warhammer Fantasy
Thing is, when's the last time Kriegers forgot to bring artillery?
@@crowe6961 imperium logistics?
@@tinman2180 Krieg has suspiciously good logistics, to the point that it makes you wonder how they seem to be the only ones whose ammo, reinforcements, and gear are usually showing up in a general approximation of "on time". Taking orbital superiority would do it, but then you have to tangle with the Imperial Navy.
The clone commander would just react to Death Korps wasting their ammo by simply firing counter artillery at the Krieg artillery that just exposed their locations..
@@sercravenmohead3631 I mean have you seen the death Korps of Krieg's artillery. even if they miss it's a hit
Can you make a video analyzing what would happen if The Combine (from Half Life2) were with WH40k ?
New warhammer vs video concept:
Power rangers vs warhammer universe
Bucketheadlore what if Angels Did exist in the Warhammer 40K verse ?
Sanguinus already exist. Also Most Primarch where made by trapping Warp entities into physical bodies so that why Corvus can Become a shadow demon and why the Sanguinor exist. So Angels do exist in 40 k but they are not widespread
Good point but I think he meant Angels from abrahamic mythology or At least a version Of Them
The Ecclesiarchy would have a word, they've got Saint Celestine the Undying.
Buckethead lore: what if the Jedi order was in the Warhammer Galaxy.
Seen plenty of single battles or invasions. So I thought it could be interesting to introduce a new philosophy with a combat ready group of peace yet weak psyker like beings.
It should be remembered that the numbers of clones were calculated 1 clone = 12 droids. So I think that in the first fight the scale of the clone/krieg army would be 1=3. The clones would win the first battle, but I don't think the entire war and the second wave of soldiers would win.
Kriegers are also exceedingly fond of artillery bombardment, and, unlike normal and sane soldiers, will charge straight through their own fire and eat the friendly collateral if it means a greater chance at strategic victory because the enemy is on the back foot. This tendency, combined with creeping barrages, non-trivial numbers of heavy mechanized infantry, armored support, more comprehension of combined-arms warfare than they usually get credit for, and a profusion of combat engineers are all rather common. Oh, and they have chemical weapons that eat through conventional future-tech CBRN protection of various kinds, and may get... enthusiastic with them if pressed.
all right, I got one for ya
The Furons from Destroy all humans
IDK if you take canon or legend clones trooper for this video but if you take legend clone, i minor ajustement can be done. They canon one tap a B2 battle droid with a DC-15A max power shot at 150m with a hips shoot.
Oh and just i think include the weaponnery of both side can be giving a much bigger avantage for Krieg with is super Heavy artillery pieces even if the GAR have some really bullshit overpower artillery pieces like the AL-AT and theyr variant like the one equip with a defoliator canon or with a giant park of missile launcher.
There is a really fun fan made “Star Wars vs 40k” audio book story teller on TH-cam . I think the episodes for it are like 40 to 70. And in at least 1 episode on it. The Krieg go up against republic clones. 😊
I would like to correct the misconception of applying 15 hours life time to everywhere it is like this
Fifteen hours is the average length of time a replacement Guardsmen survives in Broucheroc after he has been posted to a combat unit at the frontlines
in broucheroc specifically it is 15 hours not at all fronts, also many books like Missing in action by Abnett mention veteran guardsmen. The author in the book where this 15 hour statistic is mentioned is taking an extreme example of one very bloody battlefield not all of them. while this kind of statistic maybe true for penal legions this would not be the case for Guardsmen units, especially ones as decorated as Kriegsmen. Kriegsmen want to die yes but not for a worthless cause, they would for example call an artillery strike 5 meters in front of their positions if it is necessary. A few soldiers will die from such an artillery barrage but it would always be much much more costly for their enemy. Boy they love their artillery and trenches.
Fair odds though depends on the environment
so a few corrections:
1. Only the commando squads were trained by the cuy val dar, and not the ARC troopers, though the ARCs were trained by jango himself.
2. the cuy val dar actaully mean "those who no longer exist" since when they went to kamino to train clones, they couldnt tell anybody about it and just disappeared instead.
3. the clone army actually ranged in the billions. only 3 million clones were grown on kamino (wich is still a very low number) but late into the war, palpatine deployed billions of spaarti clones. these clones were grown on centax 2 and were grown and trained for only one year, making them actually pretty bad soldiers, but it was enough for the outer rim sieges.
The main differnet between the clones and the death korp is that the clones are an army while the death korp is just a part of the an army.So comparing them is a little unfair when it come to specialize troops.Great video overall but these are the parts the I want point out.
I think the kriegs will win, the reason is that we have only seen space battles and residential wars in Star Wars, that is, the kulons are strangers to trench and long-term wars of attrition, therefore, in the war they enter with the kriegs, they will break first because they are not used to long-term trench and attrition, and even if it is not long-term, the kulons are close range. They don't have weapons, but kriegs have bayonets and shovels, and since the armor of kulons is generally developed against rays, I doubt that they will withstand a physical blow, and there are many openings in their armor, so kriegs can hit areas where this armor is not present when they attack with bayonets or shovels, and when they attack, they also fire artillery, but kulons do not. This gives an advantage to krieg in the attack, but I don't mind, the kulons also fight well.
I feel like the reason why krieg has no specialized units is because them as the army is supposed to be specialized. If there is a battle in a death world filled with trenches you call krieg and if you’re in a jungle planet you call the catachan. Which I think is just a side effect of having a universe at the scale that 40K is at
Gonna structure this like the empire video with guesses before starting:1.The clone army may have the equipment bonus, and if their given the home field advantage then they most certainly have a better advantage, but depending on the year of the clone wars/after you take them from the clones may be adjusted to defeating droids more then actual people. 2.The time is also important for how large the clone army is, because if you grab the whole army after Aotc, clones simply will be destroyed, especially with if I remember correctly, 20% commando squads to disrupt enemy lines. 3.The clones will adapt to fighting a force that has enough men to outnumber the droids, so I think they’ll employ a defensive strategy, with commando’s and Jedi moving behind enemy lines to disrupt their supply lines and kill enemy commanders.
1:49 Too soon, too soon
I agree, timing would be very important
@@HelmetHeadLoreI structured this comment wrong because I thought it’d be like your other videos and not a side by side comparison💀
Can you do an ork wahggg vs the krogan horde from Mass Effect?
Well, the death korp do you have Grenadier’s and artillery, man and tankers, but aside from that, they don’t really have much going on
I have not thought about the similarities but it does make sense
Bro you should do a video about the Combine from Half-life 2. They're a multi-universal empire
Great idea and all, but I think this is like saying who would win? Between the US army and German infantry regiments from WWII. Sure, the marines are more well trained and better equipped, and will pretty much be able to fight off most soldiers from WWII Germany in a 1vs1. But you’re overlooking the fact that whilst the clone armies had to do everything because they were the only army mass produced by the Jedis, krieg is not the only army the imperium had access to. The krieg doesn’t need to be specially trained or have air superiority over the enemy because they didn’t need to, they were favored for their morale, numbers and specialty in siege warfares. If you wanted air superiority, the Cadians and PDFs are able to fill that role with marauder bombers and Thunderhawks. And if you wanted more heavily armoured assets, the still legion would get right on that. So instead of comparing kriegs to clones because they share certain similarities, it would be more logical to compare it against a combined army of the astra militarum. Also I personally think the kriegs were also matched against unfairly in the last example, I would doubt very much that the clones would be well trained in how to effectively counter a siege. Krieg have been demonstrated in books to completely shell cities to only the inner ring just to take it back, this means the clones will have to counter charge the kriegs, who will have trenches dug out and ready. Also clones are seen to be more expressive in emotions than krieg soldiers, which means they would have the slight disadvantage if the match up drags on for too long.
Bucketheadlore,
Looked into Doom Eternal’s Hell yet? 😈
can you make Super Earth Armed Forces (SEAF) helldivers vs United Nations Space Command (UNSC) halo
How about the Helldiver Automatons versus the CIS?
You’d have to discount the space war since it’s hard to know the strength of the Automatons, at best we know they can ferry in the billions of Automatons with manufacturing capabilities into battle.
Personally I feel it would be Krieg since the Krieg specializes in specifically withstanding harsh environments and siege combat. They'd probably slowly ruin the world they're fighting on and reduce the clones to small pockets like the oceans or lakes due to being able to just carpet entire regions in shells. Even in the case of mountains the Krieg would respond with tunneling crews and burrow up and under the clones before sending the troop transports behind them and flooding the clone position forcing the clones to spread their forces more.
Additionally, if they're limited to double the clone numbers then they'd take a more conservative approach and shell the clones intensely before sending waves of troops or force them to charge the Krieg by destabilizing their positions with death riders, artillery and sabotage through their tunneling crew
That specialization is what dams them.They aren't adaptable in the slightest.They are one trick ponies, and that trick is the humble trench.Now it's a good trick but it's an exploitable trick
@@spartanx9293 they actually have three. They're experts in tunnel fighting and artillery as well. If you tell them that they'll be needing to counter aircraft then they'll bring some of the best AAgun crews in the imperium.
If the Clones build a base into a mountain, then they'd tunnel through the mountain. The one thing they're good at is slowly taking ground and holding it. Look at the siege of Vraks. They were prepared to fight a weak militia and end up holding out against waking death frigids with the skills of Rainbow Six Siege hacker and cultist with the same resolve as them.
@@sleepyspartan1367 Tunnel fighting is a large portion of trench warfare as is artillery
@@spartanx9293 yes and no. But regardless, an intelligent commander like the type that would be commanding the Kriegsmen would realize that utilizing each component to their best advantage and favouring certain components over others depending on the circumstance would compensate for whatever weakness using trenches have.
Like if they encounter a forest then fire some artillery loaded with incendiary shells to clear the forest since they don't worry about civilians or collateral.
Additionally, if they're limited to just 2000 vs a 1000 clones then the commander of the Kriegsmen would just harass the clones into attacking them and wait for them to falter before counter attacking.
Even if the clones used air support they'd have to get past heavy AA fire which would be deep behind the line
@@sleepyspartan1367Trenches are not usually useful in Star Wars because wars have more efficient doctrines, galactic blitzkrieg, instead of gathering tens of Thousands in a small point, which can be easily reached by any heavy weapon such as artillery, they move in points designated throughout the planetary surface, then these are quickly deployed and divided into small groups, with armored, air, artillery and, above all, fleet support, they attack quickly and in a matter of weeks, days, or even hours, those forces will be in a different place, because this is how a real galactic war is fought, with hundreds of thousands of ships moving at all times. When the army is established in a place, a shield is normally deployed, which protects everyone, artillery, especially solid projectiles, is a waste of resources against it, this applies not only to established complexes or settlements, but also to advanced bases. . It is doubtful that the AA will be effective against the Republic, without energy shields it is as simple as ordering the destroyers to bomb static positions, in addition, the arc 170 have energy shields and move about 20 times faster than any fighter in the empire of man
Cool video! I do have a few thoughts on the topic, it’s a pretty interesting matchup .
It’s a bit of a misconception that all kreig commanders are stupid dumb dumbs who throw endless bodies. Sometimes this is the case, but usually the commanders don’t make totally worthless sacrifices. They’re very willing to make a sacrifice if necessary, but won’t do it without thought.
Something interesting is that clones also have an issue with their commanders treating them as disposal. In this regard I’d also say the kreig commanders are on average better than the clones considering the Jedi aren’t that great as strategists save a few. Imperial guard commanders are some of the best in the universe and often win battles against greater foes.
IMO kreig would definitely fare better than you give them credit for. All of the top guard regiments are able to fight in a variety of environments since the imperium has so many worlds.
I think clone troopers may be marginally better on a troop to troop basis, but in an actual battlefield setting those benefits would be lessened and the kreig would come out on top due to superior tacticians, much better weaponry, and being better suited for massed combat.
However in a squad based scenario the clones would have the edge, assuming kreigers were using their basic troops and not something like grenadiers.
I think Kasrkin vs Arc troopers would be a cool thing to consider in the future
When it comes to star wars troopers my favorite is for sure the troopers of the sith empire who i would say at least were at a similar level to the clones maybe Even somewhat better if consider most also started training from s young age snd how much longer the program to create them ran for centuries to constantly improve their training and gear along with a higher amount of traces of force sensitivity that would've been more common among their ranks, and their typical battles tend to be more brutal given fighting full jedi, republic forces, as well as the various other factions that arouse to cause trouble where all quite hard to deal with and tended to focus more on the sith empire then republic.
I will say that I think the training aspect should’ve went to the clones because they train for about 9 years straight. Since they have accelerated aging, they will be biologically 18 at the end of their training and that’s when they’re deployed.
Funny thing, the clones have their version of the Krieg. They’re known as the 21st Nova Corps or the Galactic Marines.
Those are a somewhat specialized and elite formation, unlike the generalist assault troops and siege warfare specialists of Krieg line units that are churned out by the tens of millions a year. If you want to compare elite against elite from each army, it'd be Death Korps Grenadiers against the Galactic Marines.
Do xcom vs tau
12th Black crusade with the black stone fortresses vs Star wars after battle of yavin
Gears of war cogs or locusts vs the imperial guardsmen
Two ridiculous choises the spirals(gurrenlagan) vs 40k, or the combined earth gamilias fleet (space Battleship Yamato) vs warhammer 40k
Clone troopers have better equipment and better mentality when fighting (they don't tent throw their lives away nearly as much).
While kriegers have better weapons and are much more fanatical.
Both of them are similar in terms of training and skills, as both are trained to be soldiers since their birth, but cause Clones usually have lower casualty rates I guess they are also on avarage more experienced.
Krieg produces 50+ million Guardsmen, plus their basic equipment, munitions, vehicles, and so on, organized into numerous regiments, _every year._ This includes an excessive amount of heavy artillery. Sure, the clone troopers are probably better individual soldiers than all but perhaps the Death Korps Grenadiers, where it's probably an even match, but they'd be ground down over time because Krieg just refuses to stop until they win, they're all dead, or command pulls them out of the theater for logistical reasons. They'd drag the clones into an attritional trench war somewhere if at all possible, which the clones would lack the reinforcements to sustain.
@@crowe6961 Well most "realistic" estimates put the Grand Army of the Republic total size to about 12 Billion Clone Troopers, with the original 1.2 Million units refered in the prequels actually refering to Clone Legions of 10 Thousands Clones each.
I think due to the superior equipment and survavility rates of the Clones I'll give it to them, but the Death Korp with their OP 40k weapons and fanatism will give them the fight of their lifes for sure.
In terms of adaptability, I would take the clone troopers over the kriegers kriegers are one trick, pony's and that trick being trench warfare.They're very good at it but they can't really do anything else
Idea.what if tera was a necron tomb world
Ultron from avengers vs. imperial fists
How would star wars the old republic empire last against warhammer 40k universe?
You mean if you plopped the republic into ?
The problem with the krieg is that it’s not just a case of out lasting them, it’s a case of simply out performing them in terms of efficiency and whilst the clones may be physically stronger and more capable than their krieg counterparts and to an extent better equipped, the real question is whether or not the clones have the mentality to fight against the horrors that the krieg can cause from chemical munitions akin to that of ww1 mustard gas (which as a side note also depends on which phase of armor are you referring to, since phase one armor was basically a self sufficient environmental suit allowing the user to survive the vacuum of space, vs the phase 2 which had a basic filter and moderate life support systems but was only available to work for a short period of time and required specialized equipment to prevent chemical attacks), not to mention That clones have been shown to be much less effective when facing organics and whilst morally speaking they’re somewhat and begrudgingly even In terms of moral, that being said it’s a clash between (love for the republic and constant brainwashing, vs the kriegs cult of sacrifice, in order to wash away their sins) and whilst I wouldn’t deny the clone’s ferocity and determination, compared to the krieg who aren’t just brainwashed from birth but are also religious fanatics to boot, meaning that the krieg are much more willing to carry on fighting even if it’s to their very last breath or if it’s a suicidal plan such as strapping a few melta bombs to Hanz’s back and telling him to hug an AT-TE for the emperor, he wouldn’t hesitate, again the best way I would describe it would be a fanatical fervor similar to that of the cadians , that being said physically speaking clones may be physically stronger but it also make them all physically and biologically the same vs the krieg who benefits from a much wider gene pool, in which it allows certain individuals to excel even far and above the strength or endurance of a clone, again Usane bolt might be the fastest runner but he’s not exactly the strongest deadlifter if you catch my point, whilst the clones are more flexible in terms of their overall combat abilities, having access to ground, air and space assets the krieg are stuck on the ground, meaning that the GAR has total air superiority, that being said the Krieg does make a lot of use in of anti aircraft weapons such as the man portable anti aircraft missiles or more often than not they’ll use a hydra which is essentially a quad barreled forty mm anti aircraft tank designed to tack and kill enemy aircrafts as well as absolutely destroy enemy light infantry, that being said the krieg do typically poses a much higher number in terms of armored support such as tanks and artillery as well as sentinels being the equivalent to the imperial ATST walker from Star Wars but much better armored or less armored but more mobile, vs the small and agile ART, which has one blaster cannon as well as a heavy blaster repeater vs a sentinel which can mount a 30mm auto cannon, plasma cannon, las cannon, flamethrower, grenade launcher as well as a missile launcher, that being said moving onto armored support, the krieg wins hands down, whilst the AT-TE might be able to go just about anywhere and everywhere, it’s relatively slow compared to the vehicles of the guard and whilst a single shot from its mass driver cannon may be lethal enough to kill one leman Russ battle tank, there’s an extra two remaining tanks in that squadron and depending on their loadouts can include anti armor, anti infantry and anti vehicle which might not sound like much, but a heavy .998 caliber armor piecing high explosive missile is flying towards you and all you have is a thin piece of armored glass, not to mention the over exposed gunner, the Russ wins simply due to the sheer weight of firepower as well as their sheer weight in numbers where the ball turrets on the AT-TE would most likely simply burn the paint and maybe after a conservative attack might be enough to melt through the tanks armor, but by that time the second or third tank would be close enough to fire either a plasma shot, a las cannon shot or a multi melta which would simply burn and melt its way through the walkers armor, not to mention that the krieg makes havy uses of heavy mortars as well as mass indirect firing artillery, making any attempt at taking any krieg position would be an absolute bloodbath, not to mention that krieg squads tend to field with them one or two special weapons troopers being either a flamethrower, grenade launcher, sniper rifle, plasma gun or a melta rifle for added anti vehicle or anti infantry per squad, vs the clones who have to rely on dedicated special weapons teams such as the flamethrowers, as show. In the second invasion of geonosis, not to mention that the krieg has access to one weapon that the clones sorely lack and that’s a good old trusty bayonet or the good old fashioned E-tool.😂
The clones could only really function in 40k near the same level as top tier regiments in Urban battles or wherever there is really harsh Terran. That's where their equipment shines. Their tanks can climb up skyscrapers and cliffs and make multiple ambush points, a run of the mill clone has grappling hooks attached to their gun for rapid ascent/decent. It's not uncommon for them to have jetpacks. And hovertanks/speeders would work like a charm in any swamp/mud
Their equipment makes sense given how they fight the droids. With their crazy numbers disadvantage, you have to bring the battles to the harshest of places to slow the droids/make bottlenecks. They would probably be the best for fighting Orks
@@phil3751 I absolutely agree with you where any guard regiment might surpass and even outright dominate the clones in their respective environments, such as the katachand would crush any and all clone scouts simply due to their highly honed and trained survival skills and instincts by literally living in the equivalent of the Amazon rainforest where yes clones might have better training alongside things like simulation where a part of tapoka city was essentially one big massive artificial simulation room designed to train troop in mass tactics as well as controlled environmental conditioning, but again considering how many clones that were actually lost during the umbaran or kyshik campaigns not through enemy combat but through the sheer veracious wildlife say a lot about the lack of actual combat let alone survival experience and being able to sense danger which no simulation could never match as well as the guard being both ridged as well as highly flexible where specific regiments specifically specialize in certain areas or aspects of warfare such as the battle drilled Mondrian’s who’s main concern is the shininess of their shoes, vs the more pragmatic and individualistic approach of say the tannith or katachans, urban specialists of the cadians to the void or orbital skills of the harakoni warharks or Elysian shock troops and again whilst individual regiments would match or outright obliterate the clones, the clones on the other hand have far better flexibility in terms of troop deployment since unlike the guard who tends to be extremely efficient and in one or two areas or situations, vs the clones who are good but are just about good practically anywhere, from being able to rapidly insert via a jet pack into a hostile environment to maintaining a siege formation, to them being able to attack as light skirmishes via bark and ART’s where yes your average clone might not be the best tank gunner let alone know how to effectively operate an ART than say a dedicated tank gunner or scout trooper who has more experience and training than their cookie cutter counterparts, much in the same way you could compare a regular US marine to say a US veteran tank crew where yes they may be as effective or efficient as a person who plays war thunder or world of tanks, but they would be no where as effective or efficient at a dedicated trained trooper.
As the video said, if the battle was on an open field with flat open terrain with the odd hill or mountain range similar to say the countryside of Germany then yeh the krieg would easily win, however if they were placed in say the deserts of the Middle East against the taliban or in Gaza against hammas then they would definitely struggle and if for whatever reason they were deployed to a world like moncala or even Kamino then they would be close to practically and utterly useless since they clearly lack the scuba or aquatic gear needed for such an attack
Galactic Republic navy: 400,000-2,000,000+ warships made from Venator star destroyers(1,137m), Arquitens light cruisers(325m), Acclamator assault ships/Mark II cruisers(752), victory class star destroyers(900m), Consular light assault cruisers(115m), mandators/Mark IIs(8km), and many planetary defense fleets.
Clone army: 25,000,000-13 billion
Non clone forces: 800,000,000-30 billion
Tanks/Repulsor craft/walkers: 12,000,000-670 million
Jedi: Around 10,000
Territory: 100,000-1,500,000 worlds/systems
Weapons/Armor: The phase I clone trooper armor was more of an environmental suit, which could only take light blaster shots, and shrapnel. It could not even protect against projectile weaponry. The phase II was stronger and more comfortable(If equal, or greater than stormtrooper armor, is strong enough to tank anything under a 20mm). Clone troopers typically carried two thermal detonators, two concussion grenades, and one electromagnetic pulse grenade. The DC-15S was capable of shooting the equivalent of a 14.5mm round of plasma. Is capable of penetrating through the bounty hunter dirge and his durasteel armor. The DC-15A is a more powerful rifle meant for piercing heavier armor, with a maximum range of 10km. Heavy weapons clones carried rotary blaster cannons, and rocket launchers. Their proton torpedo launchers were capable of destroying, or incapacitating two armored assault tanks without a direct hit in one shot. A paladin blaster rifle used by the senate guard put 3-5 inch deep holes the size of a human head in a marble or stone pillar. Other unit variants included scuba troopers, jet troopers, paratroopers, and scout troopers.
Kaminoan clones were grown and raised to be battle ready in ten years. They can be grown at a rate of 2-4 million per generation. Spaarti clones were made through arkanian, and cranscoc means. Spaarti clones could be grown in a single year, but were significantly inferior to kamino clones as they sometimes suffered from clone madness, and only had flash training(Bad aim). Another deference are the spaarti clone's lack of mandalorian culture.
Naval damage: Quad turbolasers dished out 200 megatons(AOTV cross section says 200 gigatons, but treat it as an outlier) per shot, while laser cannons 6 kilotons.
Vehicles: The AT-ET is armed with six heavy laser cannon turrets(grenade level), and a mass driver cannon. The RX-200 assault tank's long range ion cannons fried electrical systems, and were highly effective against deflector shields. Five Self propelled heavy artillery ion cannons were capable of downing a core ship. It's artillery shell variant was capable of leveling skyscrapers in a short time frame with multi kiloton ordinance. There were walkers such as the AT-RT, AT-AP, AT-XT, AT-OT, and an older AT-AT model. The HAVw A6 juggernaut was armed with a heavy laser cannon turret, rapid repeating laser cannon, medium anti personnel cannons, twin blaster cannons, and rocket/grenade launchers. Lastly was the TX-130 saber class fighter tank, and AV-7 anti-vehicle cannon.
Clone commandos are elite clone troopers specializing in operations behind enemy lines. Their katarn armor can take fire from magnetically accelerated projectile weapons, and comes with deflector shields. Their DC-17m blaster supplements the DC-15S but can be modified as a sniper rifle, or anti-armor rifle. They used a plethora of grenades, the DC-15s side arm blasters, accelerated charged particle weapons, recon droids, shotguns, saber darts, knuckle plated vibro blades, vibro daggers, and more. Though capable of successfully destroying, and sabotaging enemy factories, and strategic targets do not overestimate their abilities. Clone commandos while superior to normal clones are meant for team opts behind enemy lines. This is emphasized during the battle of geonosis, when nearly half of 10,000 commandos were killed on the frontlines. Again when clone commandos with basic gear were sent to reclaim a diplomatic gift, and suffered serious casualties against generic criminals.
Advanced recon commandos, or ARCs are elite frontline commandos. Alpha ARCs are a hundred genetically enhanced clones, trained by Jango fett. They are smarter, stronger, more creative and faster than any other clone on the battlefield. A whole squad of clone commandos would think twice before engaging a single alpha ARC. Eventually these alphas trained additional ARCs from the normal clone population. An ARC is on par if not superior to an individual clone commando. ARCs sometimes carry the WESTAR-M5 blaster. This blaster at full power can pierce an AAT's armor, and could attach an under barrel grenade launcher. Heavy gunner ARCs carry rotary blaster cannons, and reciprocating quad blasters, which were capable of destroying seperatist tanks.
Blaze troopers wore jet propelled heavy armor(Speculatively would need a 60mm round to fully penetrate), and utilized a flamethrower.
Not all jedi participated in the war, and their abilities widely varied in scale. A padawan can halt 4 heat seeking missiles, from a hail fire, or repel bullets with a concentrated force ball . A talented jedi knight pushed to the extreme can halt an entire venator star destroyer mid air(Yes it happened). Jedi can leap, and survive falls of over a 100 meters. Their reaction time can be subsonic to hypersonic. Their force enhanced strength can help them toss wampas(Luminara), lift and fight a muscular basilisk(Obi wan), destroy battle droids with their bare hands(Mace windu, Shon Ju, and Jun-Fan), survive being thrown through/at concrete/brick walls, or smash through force pushes with the same strength to lift stone/brick pillars(Anakin as a knight). Basic force abilities include telepathy, mind trick, force barrier, force repulse, limited precognition, force slam, force push, increased strength/durability, and force throw. Projectile weapons are a weakness, but mostly not because they lack the speed to deal with them. Explosive rounds, and shrapnel are the problem, though a skilled enough jedi knight can counter with the force.
@@phil3751 that being said the clones closest rivals in the 40K universe would be the tau due to their love for anti gravitic vehicles as well as their use in drones and plasma, other than that i absolutely agree with you especially since as you said, the AT-TE is capable of both direct and indirect fire along with the clones mass use of holos as well as personal communications equipment vs the guard who tends to utilize a single VOX beed which is basically a 40K version of a radio Or walkie-talkie the size of your typical music earbuds which can be used to communicate with the higher up in command, which would be often issued to a Sargent (at best) who in turn would be followed up by a VOX OP/ Operator which is essentially a backpack mounted radio set similar to what you’d see in Vietnam war films or WW2 films where they would have this massive radio with a stupidly long radio antenna sticking out in order to communicate with other units which also has the ability to extend and boost the VOX signal to a much much wider area of effect and can be also used as a relay point, allowing commanders to bounce say a message from one VOX OP twenty miles away, in order to then relay his signal to the next VOX OP a further ten miles away to finally reach the command chimera fifty miles away, in turn allowing the commander to use the command chimera as a sort of relay to extend their lines of communications even further, but considering that it’s the guard and not the US marines let alone the GAR, in which not all troops are given individual communications devices whilst the odd few do, for most it’s either the Sargent or the VOX OP and that’s about it, that being said contrary to popular beliefs the guard are capable of implementing tactics as well as the art of subtly which again is few and far between but even the krieg makes use of highly aggressive and well advanced tactics other than shoving bodies into the proverbial meat grinder until it’s either clogged the thing to near or complete uselessness or until the proverbial problem is literally just drowning in corpses which is the guards preferred method of killing (mostly their own troops but hey, who’s going to argue against rushing an ork redoubt filled to the gunnels with machine guns and cannons with nothing more that a troop of lightly armored sentinel scout walkers across an open field😂) and whilst in general the guard are usually seen as a massive mob bum rushing the enemy gun lines, regiments like the Talarn desert raiders were easily able to run rings around the eldar a race know for their illusiveness and agility and yet they were constantly ambushed or attacked with such aggression and ferocity, only for the talarn to disappear into the desert like phantoms (go watch DUNE 2 and you’d kinda get the idea) and whilst I would say that it’s their regiments that can beat the clones regardless of the situation, it’s the idiots in the munitorum and administration as well as incompetent leaders that end up doing more harm than good, the best example would be general Ozel where he basically ordered a frontal assault on a separatist fortress head on, only to wind up being outflanked from spider droids on the ridge lines all the while droid artillery shelled the republics walkers all the while droids overwhelmed their position resulting in a complete and utter collapse and destruction of the clone forces on the planet and again the same goes for the guard where they have the efficiency and abilities of the clones but instead have the leadership of that of the empire where many commanders and officers are usually in said position due to family ties or connections and whilst they might have some basics military training and experience, they tend to be so ridged and so narrow minded that it’s almost amazing that they can’t even see past their own arrogance and incompetence, and whilst yes you can get the rare occasion when a decent leader or commander might actually appear such as lord solar Macharius or Ibram Gaunt or Sebastian Yarrick or Lord general Zivan who’s capable of seeing the bigger picture and actually values the troops under them rather than using them as expendable chess pieces to be thrown away or squandered, and the same can be said for the republic, whilst he Jedi might be the most greatest force multiplier on the battlefield, their roles or origins as monks tends to make them more of a burden rather than a benefit again whilst we mainly see the end results and feats of the 501st and 212, the vast majority of other clone legions and units were led by again warrior monks who had no military training let alone any actual combat experience and if they weren’t led by a competent commander, then they’d be no better or no different to their battle droid counterparts, being more than happy to walk straight into an ambush such as say an avalanche caused by a group of valhallans only for the dazed and disoriented clones to be gunned down by the valhallans emerging from the snow storm.
I can not agree with this. The Krieg are not weak, they are elite forces, but a normal clone trooper is closer to being an unarmored space marine than a Krieg, the technological superiority is too great, both in genetic manipulation and in the creation of weapons and armor. Clone DNA comes from Jango Fett, comparing a Krieg is like putting a clone of Albert Einstein against an average human in physics, no matter how much I train, I will probably never be able to surpass him. Jango Fett's clones were modified to be stronger, faster and much more, so they can bend metal with their hands and casually dodge missiles. If that's not enough, they carry stimulants. By the way, the clone armor is designed to be hermetically sealed, no matter what gas it uses, it will not affect an oxygen tank, the filter itself also works against poisonous air and pungent vapors, according to the guide. I do not question the morality and determination of the Krieg, but the clones have loyalty in the genetic code, the creators eliminated unwanted characteristics such as excess individuality and aggressiveness, and increased loyalty and teamwork. An arc 170 has energy shields and can move at a speed that anti-aircraft weapons probably can't reach. The sentinels are smaller than an atst, and do not usually carry more than one weapon, there are even versions with the roof uncovered, the atst has a blaster cannon, an impact missile launcher and a thermal detonator launcher for enemies at close range. distance, the film doesn't make them look good, but they are fearsome. Art on the other hand is more of an exoskeleton than a vehicle. The atte is not a tank, it is a walker, the tanks of the republic are the tx 130, they are protected with an energy shield, and they use gravity technology to move at more than 300 km/h, they carry several launchers as weapons. missiles and a long-range cannon, his tactic is usually to shoot at long range and escape at full speed, not even an imperial vehicle can reach him, plus the republic's turbo tanks are basically 50 meter titans but with wheels instead of legs
It's quite literally Quality vs Quantity, Clone Troopers are Quality cause even when newely clone the have better simulation training can and will adept to situations and have soldiers with special class/task force vs Quantity with a very very suicidal religious resolve known as the Death Korp of Krieg.
In my opinion
Round 1: straight up battle, The Kreigsmen will start pushing the Clone but the clones will take some strategic points and gather hostages until a kreigs commander gave the order to bombarded that strategic even known there where hostages. forcing cline to retreat. Kreigsmen WIN
Round 2: Clone Troopers will use gorilla warfare to take out all artillary and ammunition routes, but the will lose some menand ammo in the process, can he considered as a Clone WIN
Round 3: even thi Clone Troopers are Quality over Quantity, even Quality runs out of ammunition, and well... Kreigsmen don't mind suicidal charge, but Clones will put up a last stand, so this is either a Kreigsmen WIN or Clones outlast them till reinforcement arrive and repeat the cycle orthe Kreigsmen are force to retreat and that possibility is almost to never btw
Totally serious question:
What would happen if Dreamybull fell to Slaanesh?
i mean krieg have been known to use siege drills to mine under enemy lines and deploy en mess below or behind the enemy as well as emplying spiciest combat engineers as well as there cavalry etc it isnt just the line troopers. also there is one factor that yo don't really cover in terms of will to fight that is to say Moral and i feel the clones would brake long before the Kriegers did
Could the krang from tmnt 2012 survive 40k?
Could TORQUE From the suffering Survive in The warhammer 40K universe ?
I for a second thought you ment turok and no he can't
There's other factors to get involved who has the better gear that's a very important one I'll give it to the clones since well warhammer Weapons aren't well made they kinda explode and sometimes they just don't kill especially the laz gun i like it but it's kinda weak in all regards but a blaster it kills immediately like a shot to the chest with a laz gun you can survive hell guardsmen survive getting shot in the dawm chest but blaster bolts you die almost immediately
I always wondered is it possible to make a Clone Trooper In Universe with similar enhancements to a Space Marine’s Geneseed. Im asking cause while Cloen Troopers don’t seem that impressive in Legends and Some of the Disney canon media there were Clonetroopers who were genetically enhanced to be able to have the speed to keep up with jedi, the mutations the Bad Batch had like Wrecker having superior strength compared to other Clone Troopers and etc.
There probably are other examples since there’s decades worth of Content in Star Wars Legends and a Decade worth of content of Disney Canon that I probably don’t even know about
Guardians from Destiny 2 in Warhammer!!
One problem i have with this video is you left out the high functioning psychopaths that make up the Engineering core, you can say the Clones have a more diverse range of Troopers, but few things are more horrifying then watching your Troops seeing the ground move below their feet then and then vanish into a pink mist as enough explosives to bring down a an entire bunker complex go off underneath them on for the survivors to be set upon as Keigsmen dig their way back to the surface to kill them point blank
Finally. A fair channel that doesn't undermines 40k and attacks its fans in versus videos. I am sick of these ''will this character survive 40k? videos'' where is a 100% one-sided narration about how 40k is actually weak and the fans are stupid.
Day 2 of asking if u Can you do how will the IMC from Titanfall fair in the 40k
SDF (Setlment defense front from Call of Duty Infinite Warfare) vs. 40k galaxy?
Or
UNSA (United Nations Space Alliance from Call of Duty Infinite Warfare) vs. 40k?
Tua vs titanfall (forgot the name of the main army)
40K is so OP so it always wins...
helldivers vs clones
That's such a hard one for me. The clones definitely have more skill but helldivers have a ludicrous amount of weaponry and seem to be pretty happy with dying as long as they drop a 500kg right on top of you in the process
@@MrCdog85 the helldivers have the skill of the clones(almost) and the willingness and fanaticism of a krieger. Also a bunch of large weapons. A truly terrifying combination.
@@aidenhsu7770 some helldivers do. Trust me, I hate it when people say helldivers are useless canonfodder because that isn't true at all. Come to think of it, they'd probably destroy the clones seeing as they killed like 2 million termanids in like 3 days or whatever it was lmao
@@aidenhsu7770 Not sure the skill thing is close. Unless I'm mistaken the average Helldiver is 18, and their training is very lackluster, like the ten minute tutorial.
But at the same time, their also special forces? Maybe super earth has training at a younger age, like all schools have a fitness gram pacer test but for shooting bugs, and the divers are the guys who scored the best IDK.
If the diver has the shield or the drone and we assume their well trained to the point of being true special forces he does stand a solid chance of winning 1v1s
Army vs Army it comes down to who wins the Navy battle, cause without naval support, the clones probably take this. Navy wise pound for pound super earth is heavily outmatched by star wars ships. Even in Canon they are ridiculously absurd (earth destroyers only got several hundred megatons of firepower but star wars ships can glass planets, some cruisers can straight up melt ice moons the size of Pluto). But super earth got massively better ship numbers. If every player is canon (and theirs solid evidence they are) they have like 8 million destroyers. Star wars just got 11,000 venerators, and even if we assumed they got 3 times as many frigates and cruisers, that's still a massive difference. Each star wars ship could take out like a hundred super earth destroyers and still loose
@@phil3751 not sure if it changes anything, but super destroyers are capable of blowing planets up exterminatus style. If you lost the galactic war in the first game, it showed super destroyers blowing up super earth into smithereens
That Domino Squad dying line was very unexpected 😭
Also whenever The Death Korps Of Kreig is put up in a battle like this, they usually lose because they only use Trench Warfare and just send in wave after wave, not using much brainpower or skill.
The clones are really used to taking on mindless drones who sacrifice themselves in droves to try and win.
The krieg can fight on almost any world in or out of the imperium using a water world as an example is like toasting a piece of bread for 75 minutes then saying " this toaster will always burn bread no matter what " now this being said i do not disagree with the clones getting versatility because they are more versitile but saying kriegers can only fight on barren wastes is dumb as hell
The average life expectancy of a guardsman is about 15 minutes this metric does not include Kriegers.
The line was 15 hours not minutes and that was just in a battlefield that some Cadians fought in and that shouldn’t be seen as a metric for life expectancy for all guardsmen since they can live longer as evidence by the desert raiders reaching massive amounts of veterancy among their ranks