@I_amPeter Cell should realistically have more potential than Frieza and as the Cell Jr's are essentially clones than it's should be safe to assume that they should have similar potential so when you combine that with 6 training partners who have the same potential than just 1 year alone would put them around Jiren's strength (above or below idk) so if the Cell Jr's had kept themselves hidden until the T.o.P and had trained all those years than not even Black Frieza would be able to defeat 1 of them which is probably why this didn't happen in the manga and they were permanently stuck as kids both mentally and physically with no desire to train. (Though it should be noted that the Cell Jr's probably did get Zenkai boosts from almost dying against Gohan and had been helping #17 protect the island and if #17 was able to get stronger by fighting poachers than it's possible that the Cell Jr's did too)
The only way the Cell Jr's can work is if they regenerated after the Cell games, just completely miraculously were never sensed by anyone, never caused any problems and just wandered the earth somewhere until they met 17.
The Cell Juniors have Frieza's cells. So it possible they could of survived the earth blowing up and just kinda stagnated in space til the earth returned. Also, King Piccolo created a lot of mutated Namekians before he created the Piccolo we know today just before he died. So it is possible these Cell Juniors were never meant to grow up, and were kind of just worker ants designed with one purpose in mind. Fighting.
They would have had to have survived the blast itself. Definitely possible if they sensed it coming and all banded together to create a shield or something. But it's still something to consider.
If a beaten up Freeza havin only half of his body could survive Namek explosion, i don't see why a more powerful Cell Jr with Freeza's cells can't just survive Earth (a smaller planet) explosion just by existing.
@@LamunesADV I mean Freeza saga's Freeza implied anyone at his power level (or higher) could survive a planet blowing up. It would be more of a matter of surviving being in space that would be the issue, with Freeza himself being able to breath in space (or just hold his breath until he reached a ship or planet). So you are right.
I do want the Juniors to be more fleshed out. Seeing how badly they wanted to keep Goten and Trunks as kids for such a long time for their wacky and silliness, they could do the same thing with the Cell Juniors as you can easily say they don't grow while still being silly yet strong.
That would've been the better route instead of a brainless Cell Max, even if the scientists in DBS Super Hero buffed the shit out of the Jr.. Heck they could've given the Cell Jr intelligence if they don't develop it on their own which I can't see why they couldn't with enough time on earth
@@QaamansLand It's Dragon Ball, just about anything except Vegeta getting a big Win can happen 😢 So the idea of a Cell Jr developing intelligence after some time alive doesn't seem far fetched
I assume No. 17 tamed the Cell juniors for two reasons: First he and no. 18 are like a long distance parents because they were embodied with Cell when Cell created them. Second, Cell works like an insect: he involves like caterpillar, bee etc eats like a ladybug in first stage. So it works like queen of the bees to them. When he gets exterminated , they would be loyalty to a new queen ( Lapis to this case)
I think you're right about Cell wanting to keep them around as underlings. I mean, he didn't give them the prolapse thing he used to drink and eat people, so they were doomed to be short kings and never evolve the way Cell did... poor little critters
Been playing a lotta of Dokkan, Legends and Xenoverse and the Cell Jrs. are basically just Saibamen just with kamahamas. Kinda easy to forget they’re are just as strong as Prefect Cell when in most games kinda forget.
The Cell Jrs were created to serve Cell, without him they lost their purpose and did nothing, it is very likely that they hid their power during those years fearing Gohan. They definitely survived Super Buu's genocide attack, either by dodging it as Tien and Chiaotzu did or Super Buu not detecting them. If Frieza missing most of his body survived Namek's explosion the Cell Jrs also did, specially considering that they were much stronger than him. Why they didn't grow up? As we saw with Cell, he was able to revert to his larva state to fit into the time machine, it means that he can control his body's maturity at will and so do the Cell Jrs, they didn't grow up because they didn't will themselves to do it, it is very likely that 17 ordered them to remain like that.
The idea of a couple of Cell Jr's surviving and then eventually fuse to get revenge against Gohan for their father would have been an awesome idea. Way better than whatever they did with Cell Max.
@@QaamansLand lol big facts think of all the great ideas and routes they could’ve went and decided not to 😂 cell jrs making a comeback is too cool of an idea for toyotaro and toriyama minds.
Where did Toriyama admit it was a mistake with Cell's core cluster? The line says that if that cluster survives, he can regenerate from it, that doesn't exclude him being able to regenerate if it is destroyed as long as he has a large amount of body matter left. Two methods of regeneration, one from having enough body matter to do it, the other from his core
This technique was most likely developed from the cells of saibaman and aren’t meant to have personalities outside of being childish. They’re not technically evil cause they don’t set out to do evil things deliberately. you could also argue that since they have some of Goku‘s cells that they are technically pure of heart since in video games perfect cell can use the spirit bomb, but of course this is just all head canon.
If the pseudo Cell Juniors were just as strong as the the originals, then how how is that 17 was able to tame them at all when he couldn’t even stand up to Imperfect Cell?! There needs to be a further explanation for this.
@@QaamansLand then the question becomes assuming 17 didn't already become stronger prior to meeting the Cell Jrs, why didn't they kill 17 when they came across him since he would've been weaker than them at the time of their meeting?
@@acecashman1237 that is assuming 17 met them as soon as he got revived also wont be suprise if the cell jr stayed low since they got 1 shoted and there dad died
Could they be different cell JRs? Or maybe it took them years to regenerate back to their full forms? Why are they called "pseudo"? So many questions but I don't think we're seeing them again but what if 17 managed to tame them because he had cell's dna (when he was perfect) so they sort of recognize him or feel closure to him since 17 was inside cell? it's kind of hard to elaborate but I hope you get the concept I'm trying to explain
Maybe by pseudo he means they don't have the same potential with Cell. Cell went ssj2 in a fight. These had too many years and just rival Goten and Trunks 's strength.
@@grgamer8470 this is probably the best explanation since they clearly don't grow the same way Cell does, otherwise they'd be Perfect Cell's size by now, and they're not big enough to absorb anything that warrants a transformation
My headcanon about the whole Parunga "except for all the bad ones" wish is simply that Parunga ignored that part. What you not only want him to bring back it up entire freaking planet, and every last living thing on it, but also having him do a judgment call on every single solitary living thing? That might be beyond him.
Dude I remember talking to my friend when I was a little kid that the little Cell Jrs would regenerate. I even made a bet that a grown up Cell Jr was going to show up during the Buu saga… I lost that bet. I thought the Cell Jrs would become a self contained mini Piccolo character arc. That only one of the Cell Jrs would survive and would show up fully grown, looking like a exact clone of Perfect Cell but blue during the Buu saga.
Cell Jr's have the ability to get zenkai boosts just like Cell Sr. If they were training with 17, especially roughly considering they regenerate, then it makes sense that they would be that strong. Also explains 17's strength. If he keeps getting stronger to keep up, then their mutual growth is only natural.
It’s possible they did die both of those times, and they got a zenkai boost each time from their saiyan cells, this would explain why they are stronger and better training partners for 17
Yoi all forget that them fighting Goten and trunks mean nothing in power scaling. Those two are both super Saiyan 1, and not even as strong as ss1 at the beginning of cell arc.
@@calebfoster2520 base trunks and goten are easily stronger than namek Freeza as proven in Yo Son Goku, based on that alone they are infact stronger than ssj1 at the beginning of the cell arc. So I would say at the time of this chapter trunks and goten are similar to ssj1 gohan during or after the time chamber
if the cell juniors are still children according to alot of scriptures the young isn't considered good or evil up until a certain age, so if their young enough their actions would fall on the father of them.
5:26 both of those can easily be survived, the Cell Juniors can regenerate like Cell, so that first attack would've just pierced them and not killed them, the kid Buu blowing up the planet can also be easily survived because if they're anything like Cell, they would have Frieza's genetics which would allow them to survive in space after a planetary explosion, the only way they wouldn't have survived was if they were directly in the way of the blast, but just the planet exploding wouldn't be capable of taking them out.
I do like the Cell Jrs surviving, makes 17 getting so strong more believable if he was training against Cell Jrs as opposed to just regular poachers. Could also say the Cell Jrs were getting way stronger as well and were strong enough to give 17 enough of a challenge to get stronger and were just holding back against Goten and Trunks at first because they thought they were just regular poachers.
I think wishes that say "dont bring back any evil people" only apply to people that have literally no redeeming qualities. Robbers might be doing the wrong thing but their purpose could be noble, or they could be having thoughts of turning their life around. I think the "no evil people" part of the wish only would apply to people who are truly evil and unredeemable and not just people who would go to hell if they died.
@@QaamansLand I find this more natural as you had explained in your previous video and I am a long time fan from a kid to now an adult and you made perfect sense regarding your intro as well the refreshing ideas for the future. You are my favorite Quinn. Sorry if I misspelled your name.
@@QaamansLand I do find it quite amusing to see these juniors back and my instant thought was damn that gives atleast an explanation on one basis as to how Android 17 was able to be on par with SSB Goku. This also means that along with these so turned good guys now if we combine dr hedo we may receive a possible dangerous villlain than the OG Cell. Cell juniors may also be very helpful in order for the lower order z fighters in terms of strength to be able to scale their power and this could have been adopted during TOP arc to explain how for example Master Roshi was able to do the mafuba aka evil containment wave 3 times without dying. I loved your video analysis on this one bro.
I always felt that they should have been the actual 7 Cell Jr's. and since they are not as strong as their parent and their abilities are not as potent, it took longer for them to regenerate. So slow, that folks didn't even notice at all, and were able to regenerate after everyone left. But because their parent, Cell, was gone, they basically kind of wander and do their down thing. With no one to direct the Cell Jr's, they basically just live their own lives until they come across 17. I don't know if they explain it or not, but what does it really mean when he says they are "pseudo" Cell Jr's. There are all 7 of them and all of them have the same strength as before and look exactly the same. So if they are pseudo, why? What makes them that way? Some bizarre clones created through magic or science? If so, when, and why?
As far as growing up goes you have to remember that Cell took decades to grow up. Between his time in the tank that he was originally started in, hibernating in the ground, and all of that other nonsense. He was surprisingly old by the time he showed up for the Cell Saga thanks to time travel shenanigans. So, by the time of Super the Cell Jr's are technically younger than Trunks was at the time. The only way to concretely say that they'll likely never grow up is in another ten years or so. The only hitch in that plan is that we don't know how fast some of their DNA donors mature like Frieza.
Here's an idea. What if the Cell Jr's that Gohan killed wasn't the first batch? What if, during that waiting period before the tournament, he practiced this move... And these 7 were ones Cell considered failures? Would make sense why they'd be tamable. (Other than, they are kids, highly impressionable)
I really hope Dr Hedo creates two powerful Androids in the current manga arc who end up becoming the villains of the current arc and then when Goten and Trunks fight the villains and fight them equally at first, the villains end up absorbing both of Ssj Goten’s and Ssj Trunks’s energy and start to beat up Ssj Goten and Ssj Trunks and then steal back Dr Gero’s disc for Dr Hedo. And then after Goten and Trunks realize the villains are way stronger than before, Goten and Trunks decide to get the Cell Jrs involved to help them against the villains along with Goten and Trunks also deciding to train seriously in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a month or two to prepare for the final battle of the arc and also asking the Cell Jrs to buy them time against the villains while Goten and Trunks train seriously in the ROSAT for a bit. Also if the Cell Jrs get involved, it would be cool if Goten and Trunks also asked Android 17 to come mentor and train them in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber as well as Android 17’s family members agreeing to look after Monster Island while 17 is gone for a bit to mentor and train Goten and Trunks for a month or two in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
I like to think by the time Buu saga happened, Cell Jr. already met and was tamed by 17. Thats why they were wished back from the Dragon Balls after Buu destroyed the Earth. By then, they already changed to be good guys. To add a plus, they never really killed any innocents, they just beat them up. Although, one of them ALMOST killed someone. So Cell Jr. is innocent, while their dad, Cell, has already killed many innocents. Similar logic with King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr.
Wouldn't the Cell Juniors have survived Kid Buu blowing up the planet? They can breathe in space and regenerate. The main blast damage from Buu's attack would have been in that canyon area where Goku and Vegeta were, not wherever the Cell Jr. were...
Kid buus explosion was easily powerful enough to destroy every single cell in their body at that point and perhaps they’re regeneration is not as potent.
ya buus planet busting attack had massive amounts of energy to blow it up 10 times i think or something. goku or vegeta said when he power'd up. so deff would have vaporized every last molecule in their bodies. even with freeza durability then cell juniors arent that powerful and probably still same in power as in cell saga. then ya super buu just ended everybody before with the extinct attack too. this was a brutal saga. no one on earth survived bro. lol. except goku and vegeta and satan...
Considering where we are in Super and Seeing Hedo. He could find them and use them. Seeing how we saw a baby cell in his files through teen trunks. They could be teenagers at this point, too. Still can be used. Just on the matter of when. I'm sure they are remembered. The manga(Super) DID use them again before, so.
I imagine the Cells can relocate their cores if they're aware of its location and know for a fact that spot is about to be attacked. Perfect Cell did seem to be smart enough to be able think of this idea.
To the point about them being children forever, not that logic necessarily sticks in Dragon ball.. but the logic is in fact already there, and what I mean by this, is that the cell Juniors fused into an adult cell junior. That shows their DNA has the capacity to reach an adult form.
@@QaamansLand He watchers another dragon ball TH-camr named unrealgaming and he had a manga where the cell juniors fused and fought gotenks. NOT CANON. But it would be nice if the cell juniors permanently fused into one being with a personality and potential.
I remember reading this when it came out. Now that the newest chapter has come out it think a teen cell Jr going to school with trunks and gotten would be pretty cool and funny.
Such a huge what if scenario that they could've implemented just for them to fight Goten and Trunks for a couple panels and probably never be heard from again.
Or because there basically sibermen cell has cell's of them so that's how he's able to spawn them. They will never grew and that's also why they can be tamed
Another reason how they survived the majin buu planet explosion is probably because, They can also regenerate just like cell did after goku sent him to king Kai planet and the planet exploded there must’ve been still something left for them to regenerate
It’s silly how much this community will excuse all the BS that’s in DB super but are so quick to bring up why GT was bad😂😂🤦🏽♂️like the goalpost gets moved more and more. The Cell Jrs being alive is dumb just dumb
so ture i think wya they give the bs form super a apss is to do airka being byond it they let dont care wha he does you can bit if airka did gt they wood have give gt a pass
Just another reason why the Manga is more important than the anime, who wouldn’t want to see these little buggers back in action with #17, Goten & Trunks
Cell could be a monster if he came back. Frieza's potential and zenkai boosts. Technically he has access to the untapped powers of anyone who is a part of him. That includes all the saijin forms, Frieza forms and even piccolos dragon form. That was something that was already stated to be part of piccolo he just hadn't unlocked it yet.
On one hand I wish the Cell Juniors would appear more as part of the Dragon Team, on the other hand I know that it would trivialize the danger in the story (even more)...
I hope they all combine into a cool new Teal blue cell. Or maybe let them all grow up into adulthood? That would be cool to see. Then throw in a perfected Cell Max for the new Cell Jr to fight.
I could imagine Hedo using one of the remaining Cell Jr body parts, that being the brain of one that never was able to regenerate but thanks to Frieza's cells, it still is intact. That would've given Cell Max the brain that they were "needing" him to have without waiting. Heck, it would've been something if Cell Jr took over the mind of Cell Max after seeing Gohan, then having PTSD of him slaying its brothers. It would probably take on the title as Cell Max & drop the Jr from its name to let everyone know he's the true successor to Cell & his legacy to kill Gohan. That would've been something if once he took over, he'd just grab both the Gammas, swallow them & achieve a Perfect form.
I don't think that will work unless we make him like Broly that was misguided and angry. Rather than be like "I will complete my father mission", I want him to "fulfill his existence purpose" If Cell Jr. Was trying to follow the Cell path then Cell Jr. Would be too evil to be revived by Dragonball. This would also justified that Cell Jr. Isn't evil, he just follows his life purpose.
@@sinistor3727 Good points, kinda let that slip my mind on the dragon balls & how Earth was destroyed by Buu. but in terms of making his character work - we'd kinda be reverting back to old content when it comes to redeemable legacies of a villain if we're going the Broly & Piccolo/King Piccolo route. I think Cell Jr, or one of that's a bad apple of the bunch, should have his own motives to seek vengeance personally but also continue to spy on how the Z fighters (specifically Goku & Vegeta) are able to access godly abilities. Because remember, he also has Saiyan genetics, so it's inately to be empowered by combat & get stronger on different levels. Which is something that entices Cell Jr to try & take abilities like UI/UE or even get close to someone like Beerus or current Frieza. So if he survived, it'd be a big problem in the longrun; especially if he has any kind of encounter with Frieza & whatever those 2 would be scheming.
@@thetexan2127 I don't mean Cell Jr. Should be redeemable, Broly was misguided by his father but Cell Jr. was living through the single command to beat the hell out of Z fighters. I want to take back about misguided...I want to put it as "nature". Take Kid Buu as a reference. Kid Buu was pure evil in nature, He lived for the destruction of the universe. For me, I want Cell Jr to be guided by his own nature to follow Cell command to beat every fighter. He wasn't evil for following the command because following the command is in his nature But to make people don't feel bad about killing Cell Jr. let's just say that Cell Jr nature slowly regresses into obsession. That should be enough to prove the point that in the end, Cell Jr have hidden evil nature waiting to be awaken. I think it make sense because Cell and Frieza also fail because of their obsession with their nature. Cell wanted to have one hell of a fight then he got over power by Gohan, Frieza craved to do evil deed and he was defeated by the force of good.
So I think this is a great little “issue” If cell were EVER to come back, I think this would be the route Cell split himself into the juniors and so a copy of his consciousness was also split but dumbed Down If the jrs ever recombined it could have been a fail safe /contingency for cells return Kinda fan fiction but I think this or what Q stated about using a junior as a base for cell would have been the best route
I think this also implies that cell was kinda controlling jr’s and telling them what to do like a queen bee it would explain why they’ve been so peaceful
Idk it makes sense to me. The cells have saiyan and freeza dna. In super it’s been 10 years since the cell games. 17 has limitless stamina so he can train endlessly. And by there being 6 of them and 1 of him he’d get way more out of training with the Cell Jrs than they would.
I 100% agree that the story would have been more interesting if they pulled a Super 17 and made a Cell Jr. Into a Perfect Cell 2 or something. Instead of "Cell Max." That would have at least had more of a basis to explain than what we got.
Maybe the Jr.s had Saibamen spliced in them so that's actually they're fully mature form and that would actually also explain how they're able to be tamed
@@QaamansLand Just glad to see a TH-camr I like uploading stuff I like, I liked this video. It’s an interesting topic and something I forgot had happened.
Random thought but instead of cell max what if they abducted the cell jrs and idk made them combine somehow or amp them up. Very weak thought but something with the cell jrs woulda been dope. Edit: and maybe after the movie they turn good realizing RR was using them and they join bulma like the pilaf gang
This was another great lore video. I think Cell jr. Will never grow up, because that means they might become stronger then Cell in the future, and overpower him at some point which Cell don't want to see happen
Aging is weird in DBZ though. Piccolo aged up quick. While Goten and Trunks age much slower. Goku had grow spurts. Cell Jrs would share that as they do have Namekian and Saiya-Jin dna, they can tecnically stay that age for long time, as we either haven't seen Perfect Cell as a child, only seen him larva forms and grow into the imperfect form. Mby thanks 2 Frieza's dna it will take even longer for them 2 grow.
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Imagine the strength of one surviving and training all this time and revealing himself to be the strongest fighter besides frieza right now.
But all 7 survived. So you mean as a team?
@@QaamansLand indeed
@I_amPeter Cell should realistically have more potential than Frieza and as the Cell Jr's are essentially clones than it's should be safe to assume that they should have similar potential so when you combine that with 6 training partners who have the same potential than just 1 year alone would put them around Jiren's strength (above or below idk) so if the Cell Jr's had kept themselves hidden until the T.o.P and had trained all those years than not even Black Frieza would be able to defeat 1 of them which is probably why this didn't happen in the manga and they were permanently stuck as kids both mentally and physically with no desire to train. (Though it should be noted that the Cell Jr's probably did get Zenkai boosts from almost dying against Gohan and had been helping #17 protect the island and if #17 was able to get stronger by fighting poachers than it's possible that the Cell Jr's did too)
@@QaamansLand fusion
Cell has more potential than frezia and broly, he has unique genes
The only way the Cell Jr's can work is if they regenerated after the Cell games, just completely miraculously were never sensed by anyone, never caused any problems and just wandered the earth somewhere until they met 17.
Why would they do nothing after their father died?
@@QaamansLand Gohan beat them so hard they gave up all hope.
I mean they probably got blown away from the force of the Kamehameha clash and regenerated later on
Well, it doesn't seem to take cell long to regenerate...
The cell jr's were too weak to be seen as a threat and probably treated like regular animals.
The Cell Juniors have Frieza's cells. So it possible they could of survived the earth blowing up and just kinda stagnated in space til the earth returned.
Also, King Piccolo created a lot of mutated Namekians before he created the Piccolo we know today just before he died. So it is possible these Cell Juniors were never meant to grow up, and were kind of just worker ants designed with one purpose in mind. Fighting.
They would have had to have survived the blast itself. Definitely possible if they sensed it coming and all banded together to create a shield or something. But it's still something to consider.
could have*
If a beaten up Freeza havin only half of his body could survive Namek explosion, i don't see why a more powerful Cell Jr with Freeza's cells can't just survive Earth (a smaller planet) explosion just by existing.
@@LamunesADV I mean Freeza saga's Freeza implied anyone at his power level (or higher) could survive a planet blowing up. It would be more of a matter of surviving being in space that would be the issue, with Freeza himself being able to breath in space (or just hold his breath until he reached a ship or planet). So you are right.
@@FightingFoodonsFan frieza doesnt need to breathe in space
cell(and jr.s) doesnt need to as well
I do want the Juniors to be more fleshed out. Seeing how badly they wanted to keep Goten and Trunks as kids for such a long time for their wacky and silliness, they could do the same thing with the Cell Juniors as you can easily say they don't grow while still being silly yet strong.
Well, they ARE part Saiyan.
...could turn them into multi-colored Power Rangers...
...Cell Power Rangers...
...Cell Park Rangers...
...H U H...
@@happygol-lucky5938 CPR
@@AshVA1 I see a bad moon rising.
I would’ve thought if those Cell Jrs did survive, it would’ve grown up and trained on earth to take revenge.
I guess they were just so scared of Gohan they just ran away.
Are they smart enough?
That would've been the better route instead of a brainless Cell Max, even if the scientists in DBS Super Hero buffed the shit out of the Jr.. Heck they could've given the Cell Jr intelligence if they don't develop it on their own which I can't see why they couldn't with enough time on earth
@@QaamansLand It's Dragon Ball, just about anything except Vegeta getting a big Win can happen 😢 So the idea of a Cell Jr developing intelligence after some time alive doesn't seem far fetched
@@cmpork7145 agreed
I assume No. 17 tamed the Cell juniors for two reasons:
First he and no. 18 are like a long distance parents because they were embodied with Cell when Cell created them.
Second, Cell works like an insect: he involves like caterpillar, bee etc eats like a ladybug in first stage. So it works like queen of the bees to them. When he gets exterminated , they would be loyalty to a new queen ( Lapis to this case)
Why is your comment so brilliant?
Actually makes sense
Queen #17 and Princess Trunks. :3
@@SniperKing-Oall hail princess trunks
That'd kinda incestuous but makes sense
I think you're right about Cell wanting to keep them around as underlings. I mean, he didn't give them the prolapse thing he used to drink and eat people, so they were doomed to be short kings and never evolve the way Cell did... poor little critters
Been playing a lotta of Dokkan, Legends and Xenoverse and the Cell Jrs. are basically just Saibamen just with kamahamas. Kinda easy to forget they’re are just as strong as Prefect Cell when in most games kinda forget.
I mean being fair i Don't think they are strong as Cell since Vegeta and Trunks managed to get a decent figth
they had around 1/4 of perfect cell power. Cell himself said that.
The Cell Jrs were created to serve Cell, without him they lost their purpose and did nothing, it is very likely that they hid their power during those years fearing Gohan.
They definitely survived Super Buu's genocide attack, either by dodging it as Tien and Chiaotzu did or Super Buu not detecting them.
If Frieza missing most of his body survived Namek's explosion the Cell Jrs also did, specially considering that they were much stronger than him.
Why they didn't grow up? As we saw with Cell, he was able to revert to his larva state to fit into the time machine, it means that he can control his body's maturity at will and so do the Cell Jrs, they didn't grow up because they didn't will themselves to do it, it is very likely that 17 ordered them to remain like that.
The idea of a couple of Cell Jr's surviving and then eventually fuse to get revenge against Gohan for their father would have been an awesome idea. Way better than whatever they did with Cell Max.
Dude I agree with you
@@mikkey246do you know the OST at 3:59
@@darkgenics if it's from this video I'll Shazam it when I have the chance man
@@mikkey246 do u know it now?
Cell Jr.s were already in their "perfect form." They were made to not surpass their design which was just being Cell's worker ants.
hopefully they arent completely forgotten and have some future relevance, esp with the arc focused around goten/trunks/hedo
Be honest, you know that won't happen right?
@@QaamansLand lol big facts think of all the great ideas and routes they could’ve went and decided not to 😂 cell jrs making a comeback is too cool of an idea for toyotaro and toriyama minds.
considering Akira excuse for not bringing cell back, we aren't seeing this cells jrs never again
@@roseoliveira6709they could bring them back just without spots
Dont know how to explain that tho
So yeah we might see them again
I want the Cell Jr's to fuse like Namekians and become one blue Adult Stem Cell and become Gohan's rival.
I never realized how hard gohan hit the cell jr till i saw the manga and saw ones brain and eye pop out of its skull when gohan hit it.
From this video?
yeah at 2:15 of the video gohan slams a cell juniors head so hard it pops open, makes me want to read the manga, I only ever watched the anime.
Where did Toriyama admit it was a mistake with Cell's core cluster? The line says that if that cluster survives, he can regenerate from it, that doesn't exclude him being able to regenerate if it is destroyed as long as he has a large amount of body matter left. Two methods of regeneration, one from having enough body matter to do it, the other from his core
This technique was most likely developed from the cells of saibaman and aren’t meant to have personalities outside of being childish. They’re not technically evil cause they don’t set out to do evil things deliberately. you could also argue that since they have some of Goku‘s cells that they are technically pure of heart since in video games perfect cell can use the spirit bomb, but of course this is just all head canon.
Cyberman?
@@QaamansLand Saiba
@@QaamansLand😂
It slipped my mind that the Cell Jrs should be able to regenerate. It seems the dragon didn’t judge them bad either😮
They could have survived the planets destruction...Frieza survived Namek and they can also breath in space and regen so, why not?
Yeah no they tank that shit
If the pseudo Cell Juniors were just as strong as the the originals, then how how is that 17 was able to tame them at all when he couldn’t even stand up to Imperfect Cell?! There needs to be a further explanation for this.
He got stronger overtime
@@QaamansLand then the question becomes assuming 17 didn't already become stronger prior to meeting the Cell Jrs, why didn't they kill 17 when they came across him since he would've been weaker than them at the time of their meeting?
@@acecashman1237 that is assuming 17 met them as soon as he got revived also wont be suprise if the cell jr stayed low since they got 1 shoted and there dad died
@@micahduffus5690 hell, Trunks and Vegeta put up a decent figth against Cell juniors
because in super androids are much much stronger (propably years of training)
They’re probably even stronger than cell now
Could they be different cell JRs?
Or maybe it took them years to regenerate back to their full forms?
Why are they called "pseudo"? So many questions but I don't think we're seeing them again but what if 17 managed to tame them because he had cell's dna (when he was perfect) so they sort of recognize him or feel closure to him since 17 was inside cell? it's kind of hard to elaborate but I hope you get the concept I'm trying to explain
Maybe 17 isn't aware they regenerate.
Maybe by pseudo he means they don't have the same potential with Cell. Cell went ssj2 in a fight. These had too many years and just rival Goten and Trunks 's strength.
@@grgamer8470 this is probably the best explanation since they clearly don't grow the same way Cell does, otherwise they'd be Perfect Cell's size by now, and they're not big enough to absorb anything that warrants a transformation
My headcanon about the whole Parunga "except for all the bad ones" wish is simply that Parunga ignored that part.
What you not only want him to bring back it up entire freaking planet, and every last living thing on it, but also having him do a judgment call on every single solitary living thing? That might be beyond him.
Dude I remember talking to my friend when I was a little kid that the little Cell Jrs would regenerate. I even made a bet that a grown up Cell Jr was going to show up during the Buu saga… I lost that bet. I thought the Cell Jrs would become a self contained mini Piccolo character arc. That only one of the Cell Jrs would survive and would show up fully grown, looking like a exact clone of Perfect Cell but blue during the Buu saga.
Because of lazy writing. It is all that needs to be said about this.
Cell Jr's have the ability to get zenkai boosts just like Cell Sr. If they were training with 17, especially roughly considering they regenerate, then it makes sense that they would be that strong. Also explains 17's strength. If he keeps getting stronger to keep up, then their mutual growth is only natural.
In the Arc Leading up to 17 in Super Toriyama went on to state that 17 had even greater potential than Cell
Cell could probably resurrect himself though one of his juniors since they're a part of him.
It’s possible they did die both of those times, and they got a zenkai boost each time from their saiyan cells, this would explain why they are stronger and better training partners for 17
Yoi all forget that them fighting Goten and trunks mean nothing in power scaling. Those two are both super Saiyan 1, and not even as strong as ss1 at the beginning of cell arc.
@@calebfoster2520 base trunks and goten are easily stronger than namek Freeza as proven in Yo Son Goku, based on that alone they are infact stronger than ssj1 at the beginning of the cell arc. So I would say at the time of this chapter trunks and goten are similar to ssj1 gohan during or after the time chamber
@@JEM_Tank That still puts them BELOW ALL of the cell jr., seeing how they were stronger than Ss1 Gohan and ss1 trunks, Vegeta, and Goku.
Can you go back to your old Qaaman voice? Pilaf just turned me into a child again.
Lol which era?
@@QaamansLand
The really loud 2013 mic one. I remember my mom used to tell me to turn down the volume when I was watching your videos lol.
Serious or trolling?
@@QaamansLand serious
@@QaamansLand
I’m serious lol. I used watch TH-cam on my Xbox and watch your vids on TV.
if the cell juniors are still children according to alot of scriptures the young isn't considered good or evil up until a certain age, so if their young enough their actions would fall on the father of them.
I kinda want the Cell Juniors to grow up, that way we could have somewhat of an army of Cell, wouldn't that be cool!
The Cell Jrs in Super just raise so very many many plot holes.
Super in its entirety, has massive plot holes.
I thought cell grew quickly because he absorbed creatures in his first form
5:26 both of those can easily be survived, the Cell Juniors can regenerate like Cell, so that first attack would've just pierced them and not killed them, the kid Buu blowing up the planet can also be easily survived because if they're anything like Cell, they would have Frieza's genetics which would allow them to survive in space after a planetary explosion, the only way they wouldn't have survived was if they were directly in the way of the blast, but just the planet exploding wouldn't be capable of taking them out.
I do like the Cell Jrs surviving, makes 17 getting so strong more believable if he was training against Cell Jrs as opposed to just regular poachers. Could also say the Cell Jrs were getting way stronger as well and were strong enough to give 17 enough of a challenge to get stronger and were just holding back against Goten and Trunks at first because they thought they were just regular poachers.
do you think cell jr. have zenkai boost? that would explain how strong 17 got - he's training regimen gets stronger every time he finishes it
@@chalibar They should since Cell does
I think wishes that say "dont bring back any evil people" only apply to people that have literally no redeeming qualities. Robbers might be doing the wrong thing but their purpose could be noble, or they could be having thoughts of turning their life around. I think the "no evil people" part of the wish only would apply to people who are truly evil and unredeemable and not just people who would go to hell if they died.
@Qaaman, Thanks so much for the intro animation and introverse qaaman in the previous video. This is legendary and brings a lot of nostalgia.
Thanks. What did you think of this one?
@@QaamansLand I find this more natural as you had explained in your previous video and I am a long time fan from a kid to now an adult and you made perfect sense regarding your intro as well the refreshing ideas for the future. You are my favorite Quinn. Sorry if I misspelled your name.
@@shivendra3019 I meant this video specifically about the cell juniors. What are your thoughts on them being alive.
@@QaamansLand I do find it quite amusing to see these juniors back and my instant thought was damn that gives atleast an explanation on one basis as to how Android 17 was able to be on par with SSB Goku. This also means that along with these so turned good guys now if we combine dr hedo we may receive a possible dangerous villlain than the OG Cell. Cell juniors may also be very helpful in order for the lower order z fighters in terms of strength to be able to scale their power and this could have been adopted during TOP arc to explain how for example Master Roshi was able to do the mafuba aka evil containment wave 3 times without dying. I loved your video analysis on this one bro.
I always felt that they should have been the actual 7 Cell Jr's. and since they are not as strong as their parent and their abilities are not as potent, it took longer for them to regenerate. So slow, that folks didn't even notice at all, and were able to regenerate after everyone left. But because their parent, Cell, was gone, they basically kind of wander and do their down thing. With no one to direct the Cell Jr's, they basically just live their own lives until they come across 17.
I don't know if they explain it or not, but what does it really mean when he says they are "pseudo" Cell Jr's. There are all 7 of them and all of them have the same strength as before and look exactly the same. So if they are pseudo, why? What makes them that way? Some bizarre clones created through magic or science? If so, when, and why?
Shouldn't they have aged?
As far as growing up goes you have to remember that Cell took decades to grow up. Between his time in the tank that he was originally started in, hibernating in the ground, and all of that other nonsense. He was surprisingly old by the time he showed up for the Cell Saga thanks to time travel shenanigans. So, by the time of Super the Cell Jr's are technically younger than Trunks was at the time. The only way to concretely say that they'll likely never grow up is in another ten years or so. The only hitch in that plan is that we don't know how fast some of their DNA donors mature like Frieza.
Here's an idea. What if the Cell Jr's that Gohan killed wasn't the first batch?
What if, during that waiting period before the tournament, he practiced this move... And these 7 were ones Cell considered failures? Would make sense why they'd be tamable. (Other than, they are kids, highly impressionable)
When fans have better ideas than the creators themselves... That would be the perfect explanation, no pun intended.
Perfect.
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Here today?
@@QaamansLand naw that was yesterday
I hope to hear more about cells kids let them go to school or train with roshi🤣🤣😂
Lol why Roshi?
@@QaamansLandto give my favorite pervert some screen time 😏
@@QaamansLand He is the best master out there 😄 ! Except for the Gods, nobody on Earth has surpassed the quality of Muten Roshi’s teachings.
Cell juniors becoming teenagers
My god
This is a cool thing included in the Super manga
Absolutely. Thoughts on the video?
@@QaamansLand I like it
Reason?
@@QaamansLand I love the Cell jrs
If they were ever gonna use this plot thread, Dragon Ball Super Superhero would’ve been a great time
I really hope Dr Hedo creates two powerful Androids in the current manga arc who end up becoming the villains of the current arc and then when Goten and Trunks fight the villains and fight them equally at first, the villains end up absorbing both of Ssj Goten’s and Ssj Trunks’s energy and start to beat up Ssj Goten and Ssj Trunks and then steal back Dr Gero’s disc for Dr Hedo. And then after Goten and Trunks realize the villains are way stronger than before, Goten and Trunks decide to get the Cell Jrs involved to help them against the villains along with Goten and Trunks also deciding to train seriously in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a month or two to prepare for the final battle of the arc and also asking the Cell Jrs to buy them time against the villains while Goten and Trunks train seriously in the ROSAT for a bit. Also if the Cell Jrs get involved, it would be cool if Goten and Trunks also asked Android 17 to come mentor and train them in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber as well as Android 17’s family members agreeing to look after Monster Island while 17 is gone for a bit to mentor and train Goten and Trunks for a month or two in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
I like to think by the time Buu saga happened, Cell Jr. already met and was tamed by 17. Thats why they were wished back from the Dragon Balls after Buu destroyed the Earth. By then, they already changed to be good guys.
To add a plus, they never really killed any innocents, they just beat them up. Although, one of them ALMOST killed someone. So Cell Jr. is innocent, while their dad, Cell, has already killed many innocents.
Similar logic with King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr.
True. Even before he'd met Gohan, he was significantly less evil than his father. Which is saying something because he really loved torturing Goku.
Wouldn't the Cell Juniors have survived Kid Buu blowing up the planet? They can breathe in space and regenerate. The main blast damage from Buu's attack would have been in that canyon area where Goku and Vegeta were, not wherever the Cell Jr. were...
Kid buus explosion was easily powerful enough to destroy every single cell in their body at that point and perhaps they’re regeneration is not as potent.
ya buus planet busting attack had massive amounts of energy to blow it up 10 times i think or something. goku or vegeta said when he power'd up. so deff would have vaporized every last molecule in their bodies. even with freeza durability then cell juniors arent that powerful and probably still same in power as in cell saga.
then ya super buu just ended everybody before with the extinct attack too. this was a brutal saga.
no one on earth survived bro. lol. except goku and vegeta and satan...
Do you know the ost at 3:59
Considering where we are in Super and Seeing Hedo. He could find them and use them. Seeing how we saw a baby cell in his files through teen trunks. They could be teenagers at this point, too. Still can be used. Just on the matter of when. I'm sure they are remembered. The manga(Super) DID use them again before, so.
I know this unrelated to the video but guys pray for Damar Hamilton.
Who is that? Please explain in-depth here.
@@QaamansLand He a Football player for the Buffalo Bills,the guy is in critical condition.
I watch football. What happened?
@@QaamansLand The guy collapsed during the game.
@@nathanielduncan4692 I'll give it a shot man. Sorry to hear about that. That's sad to hear.
The new voice makes you sound like superman, your true voice.
What about the old one?
I imagine the Cells can relocate their cores if they're aware of its location and know for a fact that spot is about to be attacked. Perfect Cell did seem to be smart enough to be able think of this idea.
the nucleus thing was a mis-interpretation, it's not ONE nucleus, it's ANY nucleus of Cell's cells. Each lil cell of Cell's body is fully him.
It's just cool seeing them back again, and it makes me wanna read the manga more
If Cell Jr.s Continues Like This and trains and goes around the universe , They would faced bigger threats Like majin buu , beerus , broly
To the point about them being children forever, not that logic necessarily sticks in Dragon ball.. but the logic is in fact already there, and what I mean by this, is that the cell Juniors fused into an adult cell junior. That shows their DNA has the capacity to reach an adult form.
Where are you getting this from?
@@QaamansLand He watchers another dragon ball TH-camr named unrealgaming and he had a manga where the cell juniors fused and fought gotenks. NOT CANON. But it would be nice if the cell juniors permanently fused into one being with a personality and potential.
Namakian DNA means they should be able to do that assimilation thing like Piccolo did with Nail and Kami.
i keep seeing this in my recommended and every time i see it i just say "Because They Baby" out loud and move on
Did you finally watch the video?
@@QaamansLand hey, where can i read this? please respond :3
The Cell Jrs. are cute I hope they make an appearance again
Honestly I kinda wish one of the Cell Jr’s was found by Dr Hedo and was modified into a perfect cell max
I remember reading this when it came out. Now that the newest chapter has come out it think a teen cell Jr going to school with trunks and gotten would be pretty cool and funny.
Such a huge what if scenario that they could've implemented just for them to fight Goten and Trunks for a couple panels and probably never be heard from again.
True but it brings a lot of questions into the show.
That's the lame ending bro.
well they did fight trunks and goten its in the manga lol
Or because there basically sibermen cell has cell's of them so that's how he's able to spawn them. They will never grew and that's also why they can be tamed
“We call this a Toriyama hand job.” -Plague of Gripes on characters getting stronger when they shouldn’t.
Another reason how they survived the majin buu planet explosion is probably because, They can also regenerate just like cell did after goku sent him to king Kai planet and the planet exploded there must’ve been still something left for them to regenerate
am sorry but there no where nar buu oen blast form buu wood kill them so i cant by them regenarteing
I agree with you about the Cell Jr's, I think they can grow up but Slowly like Goku in Dragon 🐉 Ball & us in life .
It’s silly how much this community will excuse all the BS that’s in DB super but are so quick to bring up why GT was bad😂😂🤦🏽♂️like the goalpost gets moved more and more. The Cell Jrs being alive is dumb just dumb
What did I do?
@@QaamansLand oh naw my guy you’re good much love😂😂😂I’m talkin about ppl who justify DB super in general not you my bad
so ture i think wya they give the bs form super a apss is to do airka being byond it they let dont care wha he does you can bit if airka did gt they wood have give gt a pass
@@ssjgotenks2009 exactly
Dragonball fandom in a nutshell.
Dude that fucking old snes theme is incredible.
Timestamp?
@@QaamansLand the entire video bgm
Just another reason why the Manga is more important than the anime, who wouldn’t want to see these little buggers back in action with #17, Goten & Trunks
Cell could be a monster if he came back. Frieza's potential and zenkai boosts. Technically he has access to the untapped powers of anyone who is a part of him. That includes all the saijin forms, Frieza forms and even piccolos dragon form. That was something that was already stated to be part of piccolo he just hadn't unlocked it yet.
On one hand I wish the Cell Juniors would appear more as part of the Dragon Team, on the other hand I know that it would trivialize the danger in the story (even more)...
I never thought of the cell jr's in the super hero movie
I mean the Manga is starting back before the events of Superhero, and a Cell Junior would be the best way to explain where he got the DNA for cellmax
I hope they all combine into a cool new Teal blue cell. Or maybe let them all grow up into adulthood? That would be cool to see. Then throw in a perfected Cell Max for the new Cell Jr to fight.
I wish they gave cell dialogue when he came back in the new movie rather than just making him a monster
I could imagine Hedo using one of the remaining Cell Jr body parts, that being the brain of one that never was able to regenerate but thanks to Frieza's cells, it still is intact. That would've given Cell Max the brain that they were "needing" him to have without waiting. Heck, it would've been something if Cell Jr took over the mind of Cell Max after seeing Gohan, then having PTSD of him slaying its brothers. It would probably take on the title as Cell Max & drop the Jr from its name to let everyone know he's the true successor to Cell & his legacy to kill Gohan. That would've been something if once he took over, he'd just grab both the Gammas, swallow them & achieve a Perfect form.
I don't think that will work unless we make him like Broly that was misguided and angry. Rather than be like "I will complete my father mission", I want him to "fulfill his existence purpose" If Cell Jr. Was trying to follow the Cell path then Cell Jr. Would be too evil to be revived by Dragonball. This would also justified that Cell Jr. Isn't evil, he just follows his life purpose.
@@sinistor3727 Good points, kinda let that slip my mind on the dragon balls & how Earth was destroyed by Buu. but in terms of making his character work - we'd kinda be reverting back to old content when it comes to redeemable legacies of a villain if we're going the Broly & Piccolo/King Piccolo route. I think Cell Jr, or one of that's a bad apple of the bunch, should have his own motives to seek vengeance personally but also continue to spy on how the Z fighters (specifically Goku & Vegeta) are able to access godly abilities. Because remember, he also has Saiyan genetics, so it's inately to be empowered by combat & get stronger on different levels. Which is something that entices Cell Jr to try & take abilities like UI/UE or even get close to someone like Beerus or current Frieza. So if he survived, it'd be a big problem in the longrun; especially if he has any kind of encounter with Frieza & whatever those 2 would be scheming.
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I don't mean Cell Jr. Should be redeemable, Broly was misguided by his father but Cell Jr. was living through the single command to beat the hell out of Z fighters.
I want to take back about misguided...I want to put it as "nature". Take Kid Buu as a reference. Kid Buu was pure evil in nature, He lived for the destruction of the universe. For me, I want Cell Jr to be guided by his own nature to follow Cell command to beat every fighter. He wasn't evil for following the command because following the command is in his nature But to make people don't feel bad about killing Cell Jr. let's just say that Cell Jr nature slowly regresses into obsession. That should be enough to prove the point that in the end, Cell Jr have hidden evil nature waiting to be awaken.
I think it make sense because Cell and Frieza also fail because of their obsession with their nature. Cell wanted to have one hell of a fight then he got over power by Gohan, Frieza craved to do evil deed and he was defeated by the force of good.
So I think this is a great little “issue”
If cell were EVER to come back, I think this would be the route
Cell split himself into the juniors and so a copy of his consciousness was also split but dumbed Down
If the jrs ever recombined it could have been a fail safe /contingency for cells return
Kinda fan fiction but I think this or what Q stated about using a junior as a base for cell would have been the best route
I think after they regenerate from gohans attack they were traumatised and fucked off
i imagine in my head canon they all became besties and play together and train
Qaaman Akira Toriyama needs to watch this
Why?
I think this also implies that cell was kinda controlling jr’s and telling them what to do like a queen bee it would explain why they’ve been so peaceful
A blue perfect cell would look pretty cool
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Huh?
Goten looking hella good in that ranger outfit 😏🥴
Idk it makes sense to me. The cells have saiyan and freeza dna. In super it’s been 10 years since the cell games. 17 has limitless stamina so he can train endlessly. And by there being 6 of them and 1 of him he’d get way more out of training with the Cell Jrs than they would.
You mean 7?
Fuckin finally someone is covering this cool AF thing
By AF do you mean cool as F*** or Dragon Ball AF fan fiction? This is in the manga.
@@QaamansLand cool as fuck my guy just like you🧊🧊
Finally, the cell junior video!
Someone had to do it right?
@@QaamansLand yes
I 100% agree that the story would have been more interesting if they pulled a Super 17 and made a Cell Jr. Into a Perfect Cell 2 or something. Instead of "Cell Max." That would have at least had more of a basis to explain than what we got.
No way 17 knew
About cell jrs and just let them chill there
Maybe the Jr.s had Saibamen spliced in them so that's actually they're fully mature form and that would actually also explain how they're able to be tamed
very specific, specifically.
I’m loving these daily uploads
Why? And thoughts on this video specifically?
@@QaamansLand Just glad to see a TH-camr I like uploading stuff I like, I liked this video. It’s an interesting topic and something I forgot had happened.
I’ve always wondered about this but could never really piece it together
I think you are giving Toriama to much credit. He probably just forgot that they died
Great video!! Always wondered this.
Maybe cell made some beforehand to go get him lunch while he was waiting for the tournament to start 😆
I guess Cell has Nick Fury level contingency planning.
Random thought but instead of cell max what if they abducted the cell jrs and idk made them combine somehow or amp them up. Very weak thought but something with the cell jrs woulda been dope. Edit: and maybe after the movie they turn good realizing RR was using them and they join bulma like the pilaf gang
Happy New Year Qaaman!
This was another great lore video.
I think Cell jr. Will never grow up, because that means they might become stronger then Cell in the future, and overpower him at some point which Cell don't want to see happen
Well cell is dead so he can’t want anything and probably don’t know they survived
@@roxasbaker i was talking about WHEN he made the cell jr's.
Knowing Cell, that's perfectly in line with his character.
They'll probably never be brought up again...but man it would of been an excuse to have them involved with a Perfect Cell Max or something
Aging is weird in DBZ though. Piccolo aged up quick. While Goten and Trunks age much slower. Goku had grow spurts. Cell Jrs would share that as they do have Namekian and Saiya-Jin dna, they can tecnically stay that age for long time, as we either haven't seen Perfect Cell as a child, only seen him larva forms and grow into the imperfect form. Mby thanks 2 Frieza's dna it will take even longer for them 2 grow.
I wish they would talk or something.
They out here like Kid Buu or Tom & Jerry.
Or maybe it’s they survived the planet exploding