I have a pet fan theory that it was Helper who opened the bay doors on movie night. This isn't much evidence, but in S7E1 Helper is dead set on preventing them from finding Jonas in the PROblem. Mainly though, I like the comedy of it. Hank and Dean beat up Helper in Careers in science mistaking him for Phantom Spaceman. How mindblowing would it be if all these years later, HELPER REALLY WAS PHANTOM SPACEMAN ALL ALONG? I rest my case
This is so stupid that I'm immediately adopting it as my own. Also gives payoff for all the fear of Helpers being killers, the one original helper that wasn't decommissioned killed dozens.
One more thing I just remembered that I want to add. In Party for Tarzan, during Monarch's monologue at the Rusty death fakeout, we cut to Helper staring at the PROblem light. That detail might be a reach for my theory, but it's still great foreshadowing
I remember when it was only a theory that Hank and Dean were clones. I distinctly remember debates about whether Rusty said "Get their clothes" or "get their clones" at the end of Return to Spider Skull Island.
Even after the movie has come out I still see lots of people confused as to WHY THE MONARCH HATES RUSTY: I came away from the movie feeling that there IS no number one reason. Seems like it's a ton of little things. The Monarch mentions in the movie that "Rusty sleeping with Debbie" is only 1 of 100 different reasons why he hates him. The biggest reasons probably being: Rusty being a bad playmate as a kid (stole the toy truck), Rusty seemingly having a better life and still having a parent while Malcolm's died in a plane crash, Rusty making fun of Monarch's poetry and eyebrows in college, again thinking Rusty slept with Debbie, also Rusty "getting all the credit" for the college wing explosion and blasting off Underbheit's face, etc... THEN the added fact that the Monarch is by nature a very aggressive man, with that 2% baboon blood pumping through his veins.. AND most importantly, a lot of times the Monarch is prone to hating himself, which subconsciously makes him also hate Rusty because Rusty IS him. So it's probably all of these things combined.
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I think the subtext is that Malcolm projects his self-loathing onto Rusty because Rusty is another him. Even before he knew that was the case, he probably looked at Rusty and saw himself on a subconscious level. Malcolm did once say he hates himself more than most villains hate their arches.
Scare bear is clearly Mr Monday. He faked his death and dressed up as a furry. Why would he save Hank? Because it was a Monday. How did he know about Sarina? He read his Calendar of Magic Mondays.
im watching this after blood of the baboon heart and i have to say you where spot on about there being one more twist about doc and monarch being blood related.
Ok, so spoiler time: Monarch IS Rusty with 2% Baboon spliced in. Scare Bear is ...noone. They thought about making him Hank from the future, but decided not to. He is just a nice guy, dressed weirdly. Dean and Hank have no mom. Rusty made them from Mantilla's eggs and carried them to term in a tech-womb.
The og hank and Dean being with there mom kinda makes sense considering doc probably never told her that they where cloned plus would explain why they can’t go to public school
Alternatively maybe they died as babies and Rusty and their mom had a fight about bringing them back as clones. That could be way too dark for this show though...
@@BillTheSpill that actually makes sense considering that in that one episode with Deans deformed clone , you see the clone tank and they are all babies
Bet the movie throws a little rut into this theory unless Rusty was angry she took the kids and wanted to make a synthetic womb just to prove a point, which really does sound like him.😂
Hank could still be a clone of Brock. I believe Dr Venture, Brock, and a bunch of others all went to college together, so they did know each other before the twins were cloned.
-Jonas's best adventure and invention is "His Son," I bet that's literal. -Now we know that Rusty is also a clone; he could be referring to that, but there could be more to it. -Rusty mentions that his grandfather was a super scientist, meaning Jonas was most likely a boy adventurer. -How come Jonas was able to properly adapt to the life of a boy adventurer and later to the life of a super scientist, but Rusty did not. -Jonas always expects Rusty to behave like him. -Now that we know Rusty was a clone, this better explains the existence of JJ. -How come JJ looks more like Jonas and not so much like Rusty -Not only the looks but also the skills (Bad parenting definitely affected Rusty, but Jonas could also have been a boy adventurer, and he is okay). -We know for sure that Malcom's mom was on Jonas lab -We also know that Rusty and Malcom are around the same age, so they were mostlikely borned or created around the same time So my theory is that something went wrong with Rusty's cloning. He was supposed to be JJ, but Rusty's DNA got mixed with Malcom mom's DNA and that's why they are blood related. I personally don't think that Jonas slept with Malcom's mom. That sounds too simple, and Jackson and Doc always come up with funny and complicated accidents that explain everything. I also notice that all ventures have brothers, Rusty & JJ, Hank & Dean & Dermott. Where is Jonas brother?, i bet Mantila is Jonas sister, or better yet Hank's and Dean's lost sister Dawn 🤭.
I don't think Jonas was a boy adventurer, I think the whole "boy adventurer" fad started with Rusty, or at least was a fairly new concept when Rusty came around.
The creators never really intended for scare bear to have a backstory, but the way they used him to rescue Hank and take him to Dean at the very moment Sirena was there doesn't make sense for a random character, which is why fans yern for a more fulfilling explanation. Most theories are complex involving extra versions of characters(time travel, clones/originals), but I am going to layout the simplest explanation: It was Rocco(Sirena's bodyguard/Wide Whale's henchman) Correct height and build. Has the motivation in showing the hanky-panky because it would get both Venture bros to stop seeing Sirena, and would be willing to save Hank because he sees the parallels in himself and Brock who have become surrogate uncles to the kids they were hired to protect. That just leaves the question of why the costume, which can simply be explained as Rocco wanting to break out as a villain himself, or doing it under orders of Wide Whale(who is quite astute) to covertly spy on the Guild and the suspicious new Revenge Society who just moved into town. He also chose a bloody bear costume so he can actually be intimidating, as opposed to sea lice like he is normally forced to wear.
I know you are probably sick to death of the scare bear identity thing, but I had always believed it was actually Hank from a future costume party where he had to throw himself at the mercy of time travel in order to prevent time from unraveling by completing the loop as he gets thrown into random points in time that have various results from him accidentally causing the Movie Night Massacre to him suddenly appearing in front of the phantom limb and his troupe. All the while Rusty desperately chases after his son through time by using the time machine from when Monarch and his friend were challenged to death darts.
That's the second episode that time machine turns up. It was in the first season episode when Monarch has them captive but they invoke "Rusty's law" to get the boys treatment when their sacks twist themselves around. Second time I'm convinced was a hint to what was supposed to be a time travel extravaganza induced discontinuity in the events of the last few episodes of that last season id guess they ment to sort out the next season or after. Consider how the situation between that Guild Stranger (614?) and agent McManus was completely reset without explanation between those last few regular episodes. Not only were they not reconciled any more but Stranger 614 went from a cooperative asset to someone they had to threaten to turn on the Peril Partnership like something was out of synch. I have no idea what but it clearly suggested time travel. It really sucks how VB was treated like a deformed step child by the suites.
I think Scare Bear is Dean from an alternate timeline's future. That explains how SB got access to Impossible Industries, because at the time Dean was an intern there, so SB would just have to remember the code. It also explains why SB knew exactly where to find Hank in the blizzard, because future Dean would remember where Hank's body was found in his own time line. It even explains why SB took Hank to Dean's dormitory room instead of a hospital, because SB was driven mad by guilt and shame over the fact that while Hank was dying out in the snow (because Serena was ignoring Hank's calls), Dean was having sex with her. He needed to show Hank his greatest shame. He came back to this time to save Hank, because it was Hank's death that triggered him to spiral into depression and madness. Remember all the other Hank clones had been destroyed, so this is the last Hank.
I always thought that Rusty had the kids cloned because their Mom took them from him. That makes me wonder if Scare Bear isn’t actually Hank himself? Edit: was just watching another VB fan theory and they had the same thoughts minus SB.
I would like to think that the original Hank and Dean grew up to be normal, well-adjusted members of society since they werent a part of the world of super science and super villainy.
4:06 I like to think Scare Bear was Serena Orpheus’s friend from the earlier seasons, who wanted to be a villain and after the double date ends, says her first arches are gonna be the venture bros. It’s a stretch but I like to think it possible that they would call back to something so early on in the series
scare bear is a time traveller they show that time box a few times so there is probably Dean trying to make things right but never really got the balls or opportunity to fix stuff until then
I do want that theory about the sovereign to be right! Especially after hearing him as David Bowie say "Just some bloke who wanted to be anyone but himself"
I mean in the US red heads are like 2 to 6 % of the population, they aren't super common. But in the ventureverse their's a lot of them, concentrated around one core group of people, they could be related. Either that or the colorist just really likes using redheads.
theories where fun but after getting and watch what i like to call the Season 8 Movie... we're guna need a season 9 and 10 to really really rap the hole show up.
personally i think the rusty show was less of a multiple episodes arc long tv show as today and more of tv movies specials that compiled makes a series, we think of it as the same as johnny quests show, but is likely that after any big adventure jonas had, he himself made/directed the film/show version with a mix of both actors and the actual people, i pretty much imagine it as a mix of both the real deal but even more glorification of himself or like making rusty a more "legit" child adventurer also, my theory is that rusty was never born, when jonas got monarch's mom pregnant, he either stole her eggs to create rusty OR he somehow cloned monarch, making rusty and him still blood related while not necessary brothers
My personal head-canon is that Doc is a prototype clone of Jonas. Jonas and Ben had to work out the bugs in the cloning process and “Rusty” is the end result, a failed version of Jonas and JJ being a bit closer to what Jonas was aiming for. The same goes for Dean being a direct clone of Doc which would be why he treats Dean so much better than Hank. Hank has a legit mom, the one Action Man mentioned in Coma Town. Her abandoning Doc fed into his inferiority complex which he takes out on Hank. And the reason he tries to do right by Dermott is that he and Nikki were forced to be apart, so maybe some small sliver of conscience is him trying to do right by her.
Doc is a clone of the original Rusty. That is confirmed as a fact now. But what happened to the original Rusty? I like to think he didn’t actually die, but hid in Grover Cleveland’s Presidential Time Machine and is about to pop out in modern time.
So the thing about dermotts dad theory, I don’t know why but when I first saw that episode I thought it was implying Hank was the dad. I don’t get why I was thinking that but how he hung out with Hank just made me think that dermott and his “mom” was talking about Hank.
I think uncle hatred is scare bear.. 😱 they're both have a similar height, and both are tubby. Both know what goes on in the boys' lives.. he also didn't follow Dr. Venture on his adventure with Billy.. during that episode. Plus, he used to be part of the guild until he sold them out to be OSI again so there's a need to use a disguise if he's gonna be around villians. Which scare bear was in both episodes he first appeared in.. hatred was in new york with doc when Dean went to his internship. And he works at the venture new york buliding when they had the party 🥳
Scare Bear was in the show before carrying Hank into Dean’s dorm room I always thought it was Mol as she disappeared after a few seasons ago and nothing since
Force Majeure is The Monarch's mom. Jonas sr and Monarch's mom are in on it together, playing monarch's dad for his usefulness / money. The Monarch's mom is Force Majeure. she'd lead blue morpho (who if youll remember himself played both sides, when jonas first met him, he said he'd heard he was 'no good') into killing off her osi enemies, and then, after setting her husband up to save Jonas over Scaramancutla on spider skull island, had jonas set her husband up for blackmail (!) so that they could use him against her enemies within the Guild. the blue morpho unwittingly killed off guild members so that his wife could rise in the ranks (like how later Monarch uses 21 in much the same fashion to get to arch Rusty). The rest is also some theories ive come up with, with less and less coherency as the list goes on: eventually the Sovereign kills Force Majeure when he caused their plane to crash, which is why he never claimed the prize $ bounty when he killed the blue morpho. also, Dr. Orpheus' Master is, or is related to, the Sovereign. Also Jonas' life's work is the holy grail of Super-Science, Immortality: P.R.O.B.L.E.M. , Putting brains into robots (like VenData) bringing the dead back to life (Venturestein) He and Benton Quest worked on cloning, and I like to think Jonas Venture inpregnanted Monarch's mom -twice- Three times: first used artifical insemination for a clone (Jonas jr is an exact clone of Jonas sr., not a son). but then he slept with her, knocking her up with Rusty, (who then in the womb ate the clone) and then used Artifical insemination again, but with The Monarch's dad's dna. so rusty and monarch are 1/2 siblings, twins from different dads (yes this is a rare but real thing) jonas sr and Monarch's mom played monarch's dad for his usefulness / money. The Monarch's mom is Force Majeure, btw. and maybe, and this one's far out there, maybe Jonas Did Not sleep with her, and that they are siblings (jonas and monarchs mom). he's the leader of OSI (more or less) and she is the leader of the guild (more or less) its a metaphor for divide and conquer. like goodguy/badguys Capitalism/Communism, OSI/Guild; its all divisionism from people at the top who are in on it together
The only venture missing a bro is Jonas, i bet Force Majeure is Jonas Sister. And that's why Jonas is angry the first time he meets Blue Morpho because he was dating his sister.
@@cashnelson2306 spoiler alert! I haven't seen it yet but I'm about to here in about 1 hour I just got off work heading home. Glad to see that my conspiracy theory are not completely off track LOL
Just came up with one rewatching the series. Ben is an older and washed up version of Dr. Quest and created Model Two as a way to recreate Johnny. Not because the original Johnny died and is a clone but because he lost touch and connections with him and built Helper as a sort of son and way to cope with Johnny being gone. Thats why he’s a second chance.
My Theory is that Scare Bear is Dean, consumed with guilt and shame, from a future where Hank dies from a concussion in the snow bank after learning of Dean and Sirena"s affair. He come back in time useing Grover Cleveland's time machine.
What about rustys conjoined twin being the son that Jonas actually made/ wanted and rusty is the one he didnt want? Not to mention jonas when he made malcom he wanted to create his best invention “his son” something that would truly be on his own image, a clone of himself
3:20 gotta disagree on the no evidence here, Doc specifically saying that he got the genetic material from toenails was what raised alarms for me - that they'd specify and that he didn't just use the originals corpses. Anyway for my fan theories, I have a big one and a small one. The big one is tying the Sovereign and Jonas stories together, they were in cahoots from the 70's and collaborated to kill blue morpho, pushing the sovereign to the top. My small theory? Manotaur and Kano were roommates. Just look at the apartment phantom limb and brock go to respectively, it's the same apartment!
S7E5 really gives you this biggest Clue of what the Movie laded out. watch the part of Helper 2 aka Red Helper talking with Dean and that is more less a short answer to the Movie or as i call in season 8 the movie. they need a season 9/10 to truely rap up the show.
I believe that Brock is still the boys mother. Movie confirmed there wasn't technically a mom as doc made a synthetic womb, but now we have to wonder whose chromosomes did he use, his own is a given but he couldn't of used an x and y chromosome from himself as the boys would be deformed in some way. I actually believe he used Brocks dna for one of the halfs, maybe even not purposefully. Doc could've grabbed a woman's hair he loved or something but it was actually Brocks hair who was undercover spying on him. I know it's far fetched but I actually believe it.
i went from starting the show believing this to watching the movie believing it. there's so many throwaway lines and moments that make Brock favoritism to Hank feel like that's his kid which is so funny. There's a line where doc says "you shouldn't smoke while we're pregnant" that made me go back just to find more weird one-off lines that are also jokes like Hank being circumcised and Dean isn't which is so specific? Brock calling the kids family before he quits in s3, etc Also, I wouldn't be shocked if he did use brock dna because Doc used Debra's eggs he made 2 sons to ensure they were different and not two Rusty+Jonas lineage. Why Brock I have no clue but making sons out of the daughter of a big-name villain family with your big name good guy family as a sort of insurance and fuck you (and importantly love) is something i could believe from this show. Brock is seen as a monster of a man i can see Doc adding his DNA on purpose
What if scare bear is another one of hanks personalities, hank had just hit his head and scare bear appeared to help hank who i believe is hanks dark ego and was planning to kill his girlfriend and dean but passed out, which would also explain why in the movie hanks personalities are on screen because he had just suffered a head injury also the dr. Os vision scare bear was in a couple flashes and thats what he was afraid of hank being overcome by his dadker ego
It's basically confirmed that The Monarch is Rusty's half brother. After it comes to light that Monarch's father is Venture bot and memories start returning a conversation is shown that he is having trouble with getting his wife pregnant and Jonas is trying to smooth over sleeping with his wife. It also shows the Venturebot was responsible for opening the doors on movie night.
Rusty and the boys mother are half siblings meaning they are a product of incest But rusty being rusty dean got more rusty DNA and the opposite is true for hank
I guess I meant before he was around as their bodyguard. Hank and Dean have already been born when Myra is relieved of her duties and Brock takes over as the Venture bodyguard.
My theory on why the Monarch hates Doc is that there is no reason. The Monarch's hate for Doc has been used to parody romantic love, and if you aknowledge that love at first sight is a thing, then why not hate at first sight? Is it not enough that Doc is just a really shitty person deserving of hate? If you think about it it's weird how people just accept the story of Romeo and Juliet in that from just seeing each other at a party they fell so madly in love that they got themselves and both their families killed, but at the same time they think there needs to be a reason for the Monarch to dedicate his life to hating Doc.
I disagree. I think SB is a character they wanted to go somewhere with but the series got cancelled. We are supposed to obsess over him why else is he so integral to Hank's arc at this point in time? He's not a throw away.
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I have a pet fan theory that it was Helper who opened the bay doors on movie night. This isn't much evidence, but in S7E1 Helper is dead set on preventing them from finding Jonas in the PROblem. Mainly though, I like the comedy of it. Hank and Dean beat up Helper in Careers in science mistaking him for Phantom Spaceman. How mindblowing would it be if all these years later, HELPER REALLY WAS PHANTOM SPACEMAN ALL ALONG? I rest my case
I actually love this.
I hate phantom spaceman
This is so stupid that I'm immediately adopting it as my own. Also gives payoff for all the fear of Helpers being killers, the one original helper that wasn't decommissioned killed dozens.
One more thing I just remembered that I want to add. In Party for Tarzan, during Monarch's monologue at the Rusty death fakeout, we cut to Helper staring at the PROblem light. That detail might be a reach for my theory, but it's still great foreshadowing
@@bingobongo321 who's brain is in Helper 2?
Maybe the real person who opened the bay doors, was the friend we made along the way.
My kind of fan theory
Scare bear is the original un-cloned rusty venture.
that would mean hes Malcolm Fitzcarraldo aka the MIghty Monarch
There was theory that it was a dark future dean who used a time machine.
Hay that's a good one
I remember when it was only a theory that Hank and Dean were clones. I distinctly remember debates about whether Rusty said "Get their clothes" or "get their clones" at the end of Return to Spider Skull Island.
Even after the movie has come out I still see lots of people confused as to WHY THE MONARCH HATES RUSTY:
I came away from the movie feeling that there IS no number one reason. Seems like it's a ton of little things. The Monarch mentions in the movie that "Rusty sleeping with Debbie" is only 1 of 100 different reasons why he hates him. The biggest reasons probably being: Rusty being a bad playmate as a kid (stole the toy truck), Rusty seemingly having a better life and still having a parent while Malcolm's died in a plane crash, Rusty making fun of Monarch's poetry and eyebrows in college, again thinking Rusty slept with Debbie, also Rusty "getting all the credit" for the college wing explosion and blasting off Underbheit's face, etc... THEN the added fact that the Monarch is by nature a very aggressive man, with that 2% baboon blood pumping through his veins.. AND most importantly, a lot of times the Monarch is prone to hating himself, which subconsciously makes him also hate Rusty because Rusty IS him. So it's probably all of these things combined.
Whoa, celebrity comment! I totally cited you in my movie news video. Also, 100% agreed with this comment.
@@BillTheSpill Celebrity?! Naaw, haha thanks though! Love your Venture vids! And whoa which movie news video??
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@@BillTheSpill You pronounced it perfectly! You deserve a medal... seriously. It's VERY rare someone pronounces it correctly
I think the subtext is that Malcolm projects his self-loathing onto Rusty because Rusty is another him. Even before he knew that was the case, he probably looked at Rusty and saw himself on a subconscious level. Malcolm did once say he hates himself more than most villains hate their arches.
Scare bear is clearly Mr Monday.
He faked his death and dressed up as a furry. Why would he save Hank? Because it was a Monday. How did he know about Sarina? He read his Calendar of Magic Mondays.
That Boy’s Brigade theory is insane to me, I never thought about who that last guy is. I doubt we’ll ever know but I’d believe it was the Sovereign
It's one of those things where it wasn't set up as a huge thing and doesn't really matter so hey, why not?
im watching this after blood of the baboon heart and i have to say you where spot on about there being one more twist about doc and monarch being blood related.
Ok, so spoiler time:
Monarch IS Rusty with 2% Baboon spliced in. Scare Bear is ...noone. They thought about making him Hank from the future, but decided not to. He is just a nice guy, dressed weirdly. Dean and Hank have no mom. Rusty made them from Mantilla's eggs and carried them to term in a tech-womb.
Yeah that’s disappointing
I've never needed to know Scare Bears identity. I like it's just this random ambivalent character just lurking around
The og hank and Dean being with there mom kinda makes sense considering doc probably never told her that they where cloned plus would explain why they can’t go to public school
Alternatively maybe they died as babies and Rusty and their mom had a fight about bringing them back as clones. That could be way too dark for this show though...
@@BillTheSpill that actually makes sense considering that in that one episode with Deans deformed clone , you see the clone tank and they are all babies
Bet the movie throws a little rut into this theory unless Rusty was angry she took the kids and wanted to make a synthetic womb just to prove a point, which really does sound like him.😂
Hank could still be a clone of Brock. I believe Dr Venture, Brock, and a bunch of others all went to college together, so they did know each other before the twins were cloned.
Obviously Scare Bear is President Grover Cleveland hanging around waiting for Doc and Billy to show up with his damned time machine.
-Jonas's best adventure and invention is "His Son," I bet that's literal.
-Now we know that Rusty is also a clone; he could be referring to that, but there could be more to it.
-Rusty mentions that his grandfather was a super scientist, meaning Jonas was most likely a boy adventurer.
-How come Jonas was able to properly adapt to the life of a boy adventurer and later to the life of a super scientist, but Rusty did not.
-Jonas always expects Rusty to behave like him.
-Now that we know Rusty was a clone, this better explains the existence of JJ.
-How come JJ looks more like Jonas and not so much like Rusty
-Not only the looks but also the skills (Bad parenting definitely affected Rusty, but Jonas could also have been a boy adventurer, and he is okay).
-We know for sure that Malcom's mom was on Jonas lab
-We also know that Rusty and Malcom are around the same age, so they were mostlikely borned or created around the same time
So my theory is that something went wrong with Rusty's cloning. He was supposed to be JJ, but Rusty's DNA got mixed with Malcom mom's DNA and that's why they are blood related.
I personally don't think that Jonas slept with Malcom's mom. That sounds too simple, and Jackson and Doc always come up with funny and complicated accidents that explain everything.
I also notice that all ventures have brothers, Rusty & JJ, Hank & Dean & Dermott. Where is Jonas brother?, i bet Mantila is Jonas sister, or better yet Hank's and Dean's lost sister Dawn 🤭.
I don't think Jonas was a boy adventurer, I think the whole "boy adventurer" fad started with Rusty, or at least was a fairly new concept when Rusty came around.
I always thought the monarch was a rusty clone with some extra dna
Maybe he's the D-19 equivalent for Rusty
100% spot on with 2% baboon dna
@@pezjerk almost i thought the extra was from the morpho family
bro what how did you know
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2 hours till the digital release...then it's over 😢 I can't belive it. I've had this show since I was 12 and I'm 30ish now
I think scare bear either is or is a servant of killinger. A lot of details match up he hasn’t shown up in a couple seasons.
Ben could be Scarebear he always looks like an rugged outdoors type
Hank becomes The Tick lol.
The creators never really intended for scare bear to have a backstory, but the way they used him to rescue Hank and take him to Dean at the very moment Sirena was there doesn't make sense for a random character, which is why fans yern for a more fulfilling explanation. Most theories are complex involving extra versions of characters(time travel, clones/originals), but I am going to layout the simplest explanation: It was Rocco(Sirena's bodyguard/Wide Whale's henchman)
Correct height and build. Has the motivation in showing the hanky-panky because it would get both Venture bros to stop seeing Sirena, and would be willing to save Hank because he sees the parallels in himself and Brock who have become surrogate uncles to the kids they were hired to protect. That just leaves the question of why the costume, which can simply be explained as Rocco wanting to break out as a villain himself, or doing it under orders of Wide Whale(who is quite astute) to covertly spy on the Guild and the suspicious new Revenge Society who just moved into town. He also chose a bloody bear costume so he can actually be intimidating, as opposed to sea lice like he is normally forced to wear.
I know you are probably sick to death of the scare bear identity thing, but I had always believed it was actually Hank from a future costume party where he had to throw himself at the mercy of time travel in order to prevent time from unraveling by completing the loop as he gets thrown into random points in time that have various results from him accidentally causing the Movie Night Massacre to him suddenly appearing in front of the phantom limb and his troupe. All the while Rusty desperately chases after his son through time by using the time machine from when Monarch and his friend were challenged to death darts.
That's the second episode that time machine turns up. It was in the first season episode when Monarch has them captive but they invoke "Rusty's law" to get the boys treatment when their sacks twist themselves around. Second time I'm convinced was a hint to what was supposed to be a time travel extravaganza induced discontinuity in the events of the last few episodes of that last season id guess they ment to sort out the next season or after. Consider how the situation between that Guild Stranger (614?) and agent McManus was completely reset without explanation between those last few regular episodes. Not only were they not reconciled any more but Stranger 614 went from a cooperative asset to someone they had to threaten to turn on the Peril Partnership like something was out of synch. I have no idea what but it clearly suggested time travel.
It really sucks how VB was treated like a deformed step child by the suites.
Thank you! I"m so excited about the movie's upcoming release and your video made me very happy indeed.
I think Scare Bear is Dean from an alternate timeline's future. That explains how SB got access to Impossible Industries, because at the time Dean was an intern there, so SB would just have to remember the code. It also explains why SB knew exactly where to find Hank in the blizzard, because future Dean would remember where Hank's body was found in his own time line. It even explains why SB took Hank to Dean's dormitory room instead of a hospital, because SB was driven mad by guilt and shame over the fact that while Hank was dying out in the snow (because Serena was ignoring Hank's calls), Dean was having sex with her. He needed to show Hank his greatest shame. He came back to this time to save Hank, because it was Hank's death that triggered him to spiral into depression and madness. Remember all the other Hank clones had been destroyed, so this is the last Hank.
Jonas got around so much he could be the Ghengis Khan of 1970s Colorado and I wouldn't be surprised.
I always thought that Rusty had the kids cloned because their Mom took them from him. That makes me wonder if Scare Bear isn’t actually Hank himself? Edit: was just watching another VB fan theory and they had the same thoughts minus SB.
I would like to think that the original Hank and Dean grew up to be normal, well-adjusted members of society since they werent a part of the world of super science and super villainy.
The theory of the monarch being a venture was resolved in the movie.
So.. you haven't watched the movie yet?
Scare Bear is the key to all of this. If we can get Scare Bear working, Bc he is the scariest character we ever had.
Ikr, on sheer ominous presence he feels like he could go toe to toe with Brock and really bug him.
4:06 I like to think Scare Bear was Serena Orpheus’s friend from the earlier seasons, who wanted to be a villain and after the double date ends, says her first arches are gonna be the venture bros. It’s a stretch but I like to think it possible that they would call back to something so early on in the series
Wait what I thought Serena Whale and Trina Orpheus were two different people????
@@cgecko3 i was drunk and mixed up names
@@some_guy117 OH.
that WASN'T the alchemist?! well thats actually mind blowing!
scare bear is a time traveller they show that time box a few times so there is probably Dean trying to make things right but never really got the balls or opportunity to fix stuff until then
Most concise analysis!
Kudos!
Nice vid! I would love to see a video of your personal thoughts on the movie after you watched it. It would be pretty cool to comment on.
That is coming for sure
Watching this after radiant is the blood of the baboon heart is funny at points. Like yeah, monarch being a venture in a way was subverted sorta
I do want that theory about the sovereign to be right! Especially after hearing him as David Bowie say "Just some bloke who wanted to be anyone but himself"
I mean in the US red heads are like 2 to 6 % of the population, they aren't super common. But in the ventureverse their's a lot of them, concentrated around one core group of people, they could be related.
Either that or the colorist just really likes using redheads.
theories where fun but after getting and watch what i like to call the Season 8 Movie... we're guna need a season 9 and 10 to really really rap the hole show up.
nice going to detail on the very early theories
personally i think the rusty show was less of a multiple episodes arc long tv show as today and more of tv movies specials that compiled makes a series, we think of it as the same as johnny quests show, but is likely that after any big adventure jonas had, he himself made/directed the film/show version with a mix of both actors and the actual people, i pretty much imagine it as a mix of both the real deal but even more glorification of himself or like making rusty a more "legit" child adventurer
also, my theory is that rusty was never born, when jonas got monarch's mom pregnant, he either stole her eggs to create rusty OR he somehow cloned monarch, making rusty and him still blood related while not necessary brothers
My personal head-canon is that Doc is a prototype clone of Jonas. Jonas and Ben had to work out the bugs in the cloning process and “Rusty” is the end result, a failed version of Jonas and JJ being a bit closer to what Jonas was aiming for. The same goes for Dean being a direct clone of Doc which would be why he treats Dean so much better than Hank. Hank has a legit mom, the one Action Man mentioned in Coma Town. Her abandoning Doc fed into his inferiority complex which he takes out on Hank.
And the reason he tries to do right by Dermott is that he and Nikki were forced to be apart, so maybe some small sliver of conscience is him trying to do right by her.
The real scare bear is the friends we made along the way
Doc is a clone of the original Rusty. That is confirmed as a fact now. But what happened to the original Rusty? I like to think he didn’t actually die, but hid in Grover Cleveland’s Presidential Time Machine and is about to pop out in modern time.
Have you seen the movie yet? I just watched it. And no, you're right about scare bear. He doesn't show up at all
What ever happened to Baron Underbheit?
I’m not hugely obsessed with Scare Bear either, but I refuse to think he isn’t SOMETHING of importance.
I like the Theory that Scare Bear is Teddy Talks A Lot but like, not enough to get emotionally invested in should he turn out to be nobody we know.
So the thing about dermotts dad theory, I don’t know why but when I first saw that episode I thought it was implying Hank was the dad. I don’t get why I was thinking that but how he hung out with Hank just made me think that dermott and his “mom” was talking about Hank.
I think uncle hatred is scare bear.. 😱 they're both have a similar height, and both are tubby.
Both know what goes on in the boys' lives.. he also didn't follow Dr. Venture on his adventure with Billy.. during that episode.
Plus, he used to be part of the guild until he sold them out to be OSI again so there's a need to use a disguise if he's gonna be around villians.
Which scare bear was in both episodes he first appeared in.. hatred was in new york with doc when Dean went to his internship. And he works at the venture new york buliding when they had the party 🥳
i was thinking the same thing! But, now I think it's a character who normally carries around a certain type of bag...
Scare Bear was in the show before carrying Hank into Dean’s dorm room
I always thought it was Mol as she disappeared after a few seasons ago and nothing since
Scare bear looks like a Manhunt character, would be cool to mod him and Hank in.
MANY of these theories are handled by the finale movie. And the biggest one is revealed in the post-credits scene.
There's a dude in the comments above who hit the nail on the head lol
Scare Bear simply just exists in Hanks mind, like all of his other hanks. Put another way Scare Bear is another Hank. Maybe his most Carnal Hank.
Force Majeure is The Monarch's mom. Jonas sr and Monarch's mom are in on it together, playing monarch's dad for his usefulness / money. The Monarch's mom is Force Majeure. she'd lead blue morpho (who if youll remember himself played both sides, when jonas first met him, he said he'd heard he was 'no good') into killing off her osi enemies, and then, after setting her husband up to save Jonas over Scaramancutla on spider skull island, had jonas set her husband up for blackmail (!) so that they could use him against her enemies within the Guild. the blue morpho unwittingly killed off guild members so that his wife could rise in the ranks (like how later Monarch uses 21 in much the same fashion to get to arch Rusty).
The rest is also some theories ive come up with, with less and less coherency as the list goes on:
eventually the Sovereign kills Force Majeure when he caused their plane to crash, which is why he never claimed the prize $ bounty when he killed the blue morpho.
also, Dr. Orpheus' Master is, or is related to, the Sovereign.
Also Jonas' life's work is the holy grail of Super-Science, Immortality: P.R.O.B.L.E.M. , Putting brains into robots (like VenData) bringing the dead back to life (Venturestein) He and Benton Quest worked on cloning, and I like to think Jonas Venture inpregnanted Monarch's mom -twice- Three times: first used artifical insemination for a clone (Jonas jr is an exact clone of Jonas sr., not a son). but then he slept with her, knocking her up with Rusty, (who then in the womb ate the clone) and then used Artifical insemination again, but with The Monarch's dad's dna.
so rusty and monarch are 1/2 siblings, twins from different dads (yes this is a rare but real thing)
jonas sr and Monarch's mom played monarch's dad for his usefulness / money.
The Monarch's mom is Force Majeure, btw. and maybe, and this one's far out there, maybe Jonas Did Not sleep with her, and that they are siblings (jonas and monarchs mom). he's the leader of OSI (more or less) and she is the leader of the guild (more or less) its a metaphor for divide and conquer. like goodguy/badguys Capitalism/Communism, OSI/Guild; its all divisionism from people at the top who are in on it together
The only venture missing a bro is Jonas, i bet Force Majeure is Jonas Sister. And that's why Jonas is angry the first time he meets Blue Morpho because he was dating his sister.
Well you were on the right track in some ways!
@@cashnelson2306 spoiler alert! I haven't seen it yet but I'm about to here in about 1 hour I just got off work heading home.
Glad to see that my conspiracy theory are not completely off track LOL
@@MathewRenfro don't worry, you got more than enough wrong to be fully unspoiled :)
@@cashnelson2306 just seen it. was worth the 20+ years build up.
One theory that hasn't been addressed is who killed the blue morpho? And why the sovereign would be so interested in covering up whoddunit?
It was the Monarch. He kicked Jonas Venture's ass, too
Just came up with one rewatching the series.
Ben is an older and washed up version of Dr. Quest and created Model Two as a way to recreate Johnny.
Not because the original Johnny died and is a clone but because he lost touch and connections with him and built Helper as a sort of son and way to cope with Johnny being gone. Thats why he’s a second chance.
My Theory is that Scare Bear is Dean, consumed with guilt and shame, from a future where Hank dies from a concussion in the snow bank after learning of Dean and Sirena"s affair. He come back in time useing Grover Cleveland's time machine.
What about rustys conjoined twin being the son that Jonas actually made/ wanted and rusty is the one he didnt want? Not to mention jonas when he made malcom he wanted to create his best invention “his son” something that would truly be on his own image, a clone of himself
So bs the movie didnt mention the bear.
3:20 gotta disagree on the no evidence here, Doc specifically saying that he got the genetic material from toenails was what raised alarms for me - that they'd specify and that he didn't just use the originals corpses. Anyway for my fan theories, I have a big one and a small one. The big one is tying the Sovereign and Jonas stories together, they were in cahoots from the 70's and collaborated to kill blue morpho, pushing the sovereign to the top. My small theory? Manotaur and Kano were roommates. Just look at the apartment phantom limb and brock go to respectively, it's the same apartment!
S7E5 really gives you this biggest Clue of what the Movie laded out. watch the part of Helper 2 aka Red Helper talking with Dean and that is more less a short answer to the Movie or as i call in season 8 the movie. they need a season 9/10 to truely rap up the show.
Scare Bear is obviously Grover Cleveland with too much time travel damage.
This is the first Scare Bear theory I'm into!
I believe that Brock is still the boys mother. Movie confirmed there wasn't technically a mom as doc made a synthetic womb, but now we have to wonder whose chromosomes did he use, his own is a given but he couldn't of used an x and y chromosome from himself as the boys would be deformed in some way. I actually believe he used Brocks dna for one of the halfs, maybe even not purposefully. Doc could've grabbed a woman's hair he loved or something but it was actually Brocks hair who was undercover spying on him. I know it's far fetched but I actually believe it.
i went from starting the show believing this to watching the movie believing it. there's so many throwaway lines and moments that make Brock favoritism to Hank feel like that's his kid which is so funny.
There's a line where doc says "you shouldn't smoke while we're pregnant" that made me go back just to find more weird one-off lines that are also jokes like Hank being circumcised and Dean isn't which is so specific? Brock calling the kids family before he quits in s3, etc
Also, I wouldn't be shocked if he did use brock dna because Doc used Debra's eggs he made 2 sons to ensure they were different and not two Rusty+Jonas lineage. Why Brock I have no clue but making sons out of the daughter of a big-name villain family with your big name good guy family as a sort of insurance and fuck you (and importantly love) is something i could believe from this show. Brock is seen as a monster of a man i can see Doc adding his DNA on purpose
What if scare bear is another one of hanks personalities, hank had just hit his head and scare bear appeared to help hank who i believe is hanks dark ego and was planning to kill his girlfriend and dean but passed out, which would also explain why in the movie hanks personalities are on screen because he had just suffered a head injury also the dr. Os vision scare bear was in a couple flashes and thats what he was afraid of hank being overcome by his dadker ego
Other people see scare bear too, including when he carries Hank to Dean's dorm room. That'd be one hell of a personality complex...
It's basically confirmed that The Monarch is Rusty's half brother. After it comes to light that Monarch's father is Venture bot and memories start returning a conversation is shown that he is having trouble with getting his wife pregnant and Jonas is trying to smooth over sleeping with his wife. It also shows the Venturebot was responsible for opening the doors on movie night.
Have you seen the movie yet?
Scarebear is the first dean or hank and only one of them died
You guys saw the movie right?
Rusty and the boys mother are half siblings meaning they are a product of incest
But rusty being rusty dean got more rusty DNA and the opposite is true for hank
why do you say hank&dean were born before Brock was around? Brock was around in their college dorm room.
I guess I meant before he was around as their bodyguard. Hank and Dean have already been born when Myra is relieved of her duties and Brock takes over as the Venture bodyguard.
My theory on why the Monarch hates Doc is that there is no reason. The Monarch's hate for Doc has been used to parody romantic love, and if you aknowledge that love at first sight is a thing, then why not hate at first sight? Is it not enough that Doc is just a really shitty person deserving of hate? If you think about it it's weird how people just accept the story of Romeo and Juliet in that from just seeing each other at a party they fell so madly in love that they got themselves and both their families killed, but at the same time they think there needs to be a reason for the Monarch to dedicate his life to hating Doc.
thanks man
1:55 Does he know?
Also I know who scare bear is and no one has said it yet
So who is it then ?😒
imagine making a theories video but you dont think any of the theories are viable
I disagree. I think SB is a character they wanted to go somewhere with but the series got cancelled. We are supposed to obsess over him why else is he so integral to Hank's arc at this point in time? He's not a throw away.
Have you happened to listen to the movie commentary yet?
Isn't the dorky teen from the photo the alchemist from the order of the triad
5:18
Most likey they cousins
My theory is that it was the sovereign who killed jonas
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My theory is Dean is a clone of Rusty and Hank is a natural kid of Doc and Myra