Really nice to see someone who knows what they are doing doing a good job with a pragmatic approach. Far too many annoying You-tube channels full of restorers who think a quick clean, sandblast, a load of shiny paint and re-assembly is restoration.
And now for the bad news.... 8 -) Not familiar with the D14 but there is a ton of extra room in the D7 cases, so you can put in much thicker stuffing plates. A small, but noticable, performance boost. I made them out of alloy, to lessen the increase in rotating mass, and they were complete replacements, fitting in the location for the originals but extending to the edge of the flywheels. I also sealed them. And, as mentioned by others, the centre punching goes in the slot of the screwhead, not anywhere but. The D7's clutch bearing was solid bronze. I suspect the later, two-part piece was simple cost saving.
probably right about the cost saving, the earlier bush was quite a chunk of phosphor bronze . Room is a bit tighter in the B175 as the scars left by the escaping rivets bare witness.
Hi Mr Tweed I remember seeing an article in the motorcycle weekly in the 60s or later about bantam tuning where this fellow glued or bolted thick dural discs to the flywheel to increase crankcase compression , I don't know if this gave a bubbling increase in power or not I'm not an engineer just an old retired sparky but your opinion on this would be interesting cheers loving your videos can't wait to see much more of them
Hi Frank, it not my area of expertise but the way i see it is you are reducing the volume of the crank case so the air fuel mixture has less room to loiter around in so makes it's way quicker to the cylinder to do the work it is intended to do . Sort of like the having a wide corridor in a school with lots of nooks and crannies like doorways and lockers for itinerant teenagers to hang around in compared to a narrow corridor with no features allowing an unhindered flow of little darlings from A to B.....
Been watching progress, as it needs a rebore with that scoring maybe some easily sourced modern pistons and rings might be an alternative ( as the small end bushes have gone a custom pair could be turned up for metric gudgeon pins) , might reduce the cash outlay.
@@TweedsGarage The LE club has pistons and use modern (Honda I think?) rings. Apparently the bored need to be machined to a finer clearance than normal. I need to start making a list/spreadsheet of all the things I need.
Cock up? No. Modification! Enjoyed that, Mr. Tweed. And now I know what I want for Christmas. A Stuffing Plate. (A plate piled high with stuffing. Paxo, obviously. Only the best)... 👍
I've had homemade, posh stuffing, with walnuts and apricots etc ....but you are quite right Bill, you can't beat plain Jane, sage and onion Paxo floor sweepings stuffing .........I'm even partial to a cold slice of it the next day 😋
Hi Allan, just found you and am enjoying your videos. The usual way to remove / re-fit bearings in motorcycle crankcases is to put them in an oven, the bearings drop out and in with no mechanical assistance. Done quite a few Bantam re-builds as well as various other Brit bikes this way. Colin
Good progress Senor Tweed. The oiling scroll wasn't really a balls up, as long as it has one it will be fine. The main thing is to eliminate the headache from a worn bush, as this causes clutch drag and in extremis, the clutch drum starts chomping through the outer casing. Which is nice. Best wishes, Dean.
I haven't seen a Bantam in pieces for more than 50 years, same problem, crank stuffer plates 'fell out'. (D14-4) 'Ours' were only staked in around edge of flywheel, are the screws standard BSA or did someone modify it (Bantam isn't something I bothered to learn about so only 'been inside' one) Seven or eight year old Honda' 50'ss were cheap at the time, you could pick up a running C110 for less than ten quid (and straighten the push-rods with two bricks after you bent them by over revving it, the 1965 OHC motors would take even more abuse I would probably have made the bronze piece a shrink fit onto the steel, think that's how the original was made? Looks like you have the same cheap centre drills as me, they need sharpening before they work properly. Crank pin. I had a friend bring a new Zeus book over around 2010, the one I bought in 1978 was a bit out of date but I still have it and use it. (mainly tapping drills for metric thread) I also have those little aluminium containers (30:20, two o'clock, right side) damn handy and quite heavy duty.
originally the stuffer plates were riveted to the crank, but used to come off ( this is what happened to the missing plate, BSA then screwed them to the crank but these also came loose so BSA finally welded them on, the screws had been added to mine I suspect after the other plate came loose. Those little containers are really handy, a customer gave me them, they contained some sort of medical stuff that he has. Every workshop should have a Zeus book, I use mine every day :-)
Nice work Mr Tweed, that Bantam should run very sweetly when it's back together. I doubt it's seen much love in the past. They were cheap transport and ridden into the ground in the day. Are we ever going to see your troublesome apprentice on screen? Thanks for the video.
Judging by futher damage repairs I've uncovered under all the crud someone must of loved it a bit ( or it was their only form of transport ). Unfortunately Jenkins has as they say in the trade " a face fit for radio" so he's best not seen 😉
Very enjoyable Allan! I wonder why the original stuffing plates were punched in every place other than by the screw slot? No wonder the screws came undone, I would think the mangling they got when they came loose destroyed one of them, so they threw it back together without it, that is a very nice little parting tool you have, I had one similar but it self destructed while parting stainless steel! Stay safe! Chris B.
Hi Chris, Originally the plates were riveted in ( hence why one came out ) the other side they've tapped the rivet holes and upgraded to screws but having the other side let go they've probably punched everywhere around the screws just to be safe . The parting tool is a Greenwood's parting tool made for the model engineering world but its pretty indestructible ( unfortunately the chap has retired so the tips are difficult to source )
He's cactus from Mexico so his English isn't very good......he said.. "i can make a cup of tea" " i can clean the lathe" " i can sweep the floor " " at last my plan for world domination begins" "Hello and welcome to Tweed's Garage " "No no put me down" Hope that clears it up
They were welded eventually but i dont want too risk distorting the crank webs, so screwing the plate down gets it tight against the crank and welding the screws/plates keeps the heat localised with the option to drill the heads out to remove the plates.
Really nice to see someone who knows what they are doing doing a good job with a pragmatic approach. Far too many annoying You-tube channels full of restorers who think a quick clean, sandblast, a load of shiny paint and re-assembly is restoration.
thanks for your kind words Barney
Amazing work....fascinating to watch,.
And now for the bad news.... 8 -) Not familiar with the D14 but there is a ton of extra room in the D7 cases, so you can put in much thicker stuffing plates. A small, but noticable, performance boost. I made them out of alloy, to lessen the increase in rotating mass, and they were complete replacements, fitting in the location for the originals but extending to the edge of the flywheels. I also sealed them. And, as mentioned by others, the centre punching goes in the slot of the screwhead, not anywhere but.
The D7's clutch bearing was solid bronze. I suspect the later, two-part piece was simple cost saving.
probably right about the cost saving, the earlier bush was quite a chunk of phosphor bronze . Room is a bit tighter in the B175 as the scars left by the escaping rivets bare witness.
Another engineering triumph by Mr Tweed.
I hope we are going to hear from Jenkins again...
If he cleans the lathe well he may be kept on 🙂
Hi Mr Tweed I remember seeing an article in the motorcycle weekly in the 60s or later about bantam tuning where this fellow glued or bolted thick dural discs to the flywheel to increase crankcase compression , I don't know if this gave a bubbling increase in power or not I'm not an engineer just an old retired sparky but your opinion on this would be interesting cheers loving your videos can't wait to see much more of them
Hi Frank, it not my area of expertise but the way i see it is you are reducing the volume of the crank case so the air fuel mixture has less room to loiter around in so makes it's way quicker to the cylinder to do the work it is intended to do . Sort of like the having a wide corridor in a school with lots of nooks and crannies like doorways and lockers for itinerant teenagers to hang around in compared to a narrow corridor with no features allowing an unhindered flow of little darlings from A to B.....
Always enjoyable to spend a Sunday afternoon in the Tweed shed... the anchovies were delicious. Cheers from the plains.
Glad you enjoyed them......but can you take the empty tins home with you.
It's coming along! I am slowly cleaning up my LE but at some point I will have to buy things for it which I am not looking forward to.
Been watching progress, as it needs a rebore with that scoring maybe some easily sourced modern pistons and rings might be an alternative ( as the small end bushes have gone a custom pair could be turned up for metric gudgeon pins) , might reduce the cash outlay.
@@TweedsGarage The LE club has pistons and use modern (Honda I think?) rings. Apparently the bored need to be machined to a finer clearance than normal. I need to start making a list/spreadsheet of all the things I need.
Cock up? No. Modification! Enjoyed that, Mr. Tweed. And now I know what I want for Christmas. A Stuffing Plate. (A plate piled high with stuffing. Paxo, obviously. Only the best)... 👍
I've had homemade, posh stuffing, with walnuts and apricots etc ....but you are quite right Bill, you can't beat plain Jane, sage and onion Paxo floor sweepings stuffing .........I'm even partial to a cold slice of it the next day 😋
Cracking job Allan...Allen...
Thanks Allen.
A copy of a 1980 edition Zeus book is something I'll never part with.
Great job on the "stuffing" plates.
They are indispensable and thanks 😊
That was fascinating to watch, your a clever man 👏
Thank you kindly
Nice work on the plates and the bushing, all turned out very well.
small victories in the workshop are one of life's little privileges
Great machine work, simple on the face of things but rewarding when done properly.
Thanks Dave, it was very satisfying
Loved watching that video Mr Tweed, but that work is way above my pay grade. 😂
Ah you do yourself a disservice Sir, I've seen you working your magic on bodywork 🙂
LOL my work doesn't involve big numbers with decimal points and X & Y@@TweedsGarage
Excellent Look and Learn video Mr T. I fully expect to see a herbicide spray on the shelf next time. Just in case. Thank you for posting. Best wishes.
thanks Mr B and not a bad idea, I´ll nip down the garden centre tomorrow .
Very nicely done, Allan. Great progress. Thanks for the video.
Cheers, Peter.
Thank you Peter 👍
Hi Allan, just found you and am enjoying your videos. The usual way to remove / re-fit bearings in motorcycle crankcases is to put them in an oven, the bearings drop out and in with no mechanical assistance.
Done quite a few Bantam re-builds as well as various other Brit bikes this way.
Colin
Hi Colin, I´m glad you found the garage and welcome, rest assured i´ll will be stuffing the cases in the oven on the rebuild.
A pleasure to watch your vids
Thank you
Good progress Senor Tweed. The oiling scroll wasn't really a balls up, as long as it has one it will be fine. The main thing is to eliminate the headache from a worn bush, as this causes clutch drag and in extremis, the clutch drum starts chomping through the outer casing. Which is nice.
Best wishes, Dean.
Thanks Dean, I think we're chasing the slack out of the system.
Very good video very intructive and usefull! Many thanks !!
My pleasure, glad you found it useful Jorge
I haven't seen a Bantam in pieces for more than 50 years, same problem, crank stuffer plates 'fell out'. (D14-4)
'Ours' were only staked in around edge of flywheel, are the screws standard BSA or did someone modify it (Bantam isn't something I bothered to learn about so only 'been inside' one)
Seven or eight year old Honda' 50'ss were cheap at the time, you could pick up a running C110 for less than ten quid (and straighten the push-rods with two bricks after you bent them by over revving it, the 1965 OHC motors would take even more abuse
I would probably have made the bronze piece a shrink fit onto the steel, think that's how the original was made?
Looks like you have the same cheap centre drills as me, they need sharpening before they work properly.
Crank pin.
I had a friend bring a new Zeus book over around 2010, the one I bought in 1978 was a bit out of date but I still have it and use it. (mainly tapping drills for metric thread)
I also have those little aluminium containers (30:20, two o'clock, right side) damn handy and quite heavy duty.
originally the stuffer plates were riveted to the crank, but used to come off ( this is what happened to the missing plate, BSA then screwed them to the crank but these also came loose so BSA finally welded them on, the screws had been added to mine I suspect after the other plate came loose.
Those little containers are really handy, a customer gave me them, they contained some sort of medical stuff that he has.
Every workshop should have a Zeus book, I use mine every day :-)
@@TweedsGarage I guess we had one of the earlier ones then. It was some time ago , I was around 13~14, we used to ride around vicarage fields.
Nice work Mr Tweed, that Bantam should run very sweetly when it's back together.
I doubt it's seen much love in the past. They were cheap transport and ridden into the ground in the day.
Are we ever going to see your troublesome apprentice on screen?
Thanks for the video.
Judging by futher damage repairs I've uncovered under all the crud someone must of loved it a bit ( or it was their only form of transport ).
Unfortunately Jenkins has as they say in the trade " a face fit for radio" so he's best not seen 😉
Very enjoyable Allan! I wonder why the original stuffing plates were punched in every place other than by the screw slot? No wonder the screws came undone, I would think the mangling they got when they came loose destroyed one of them, so they threw it back together without it, that is a very nice little parting tool you have, I had one similar but it self destructed while parting stainless steel! Stay safe! Chris B.
Hi Chris,
Originally the plates were riveted in ( hence why one came out ) the other side they've tapped the rivet holes and upgraded to screws but having the other side let go they've probably punched everywhere around the screws just to be safe . The parting tool is a Greenwood's parting tool made for the model engineering world but its pretty indestructible ( unfortunately the chap has retired so the tips are difficult to source )
All I got out of the dancing whatever that was is in the intro was, "I can sweep the floor." The rest of it was impossible for me to understand.
He's cactus from Mexico so his English isn't very good......he said..
"i can make a cup of tea"
" i can clean the lathe"
" i can sweep the floor "
" at last my plan for world domination begins"
"Hello and welcome to Tweed's Garage "
"No no put me down"
Hope that clears it up
I wouldn't bother with the stuffing plates. Its old school two stroke thinking.They have a negligible effect on performance.
Why not do away with the screws and just TIG the plates on.
They were welded eventually but i dont want too risk distorting the crank webs, so screwing the plate down gets it tight against the crank and welding the screws/plates keeps the heat localised with the option to drill the heads out to remove the plates.
I think you should smoke your pipe while you are filming.
I do occasionally light a bowl when contemplating some mechanical conundrum .