1998 was when I got my first 3D accelerator (Voodoo Banshee) and AMD K6-2 400. Absolutely destroyed anything that consoles had to offer. Good times I remember my Ti4200 trading blows with my mate's FX5600 ( which I threw away recently and shouldn't have). The FX 5XXX were turds, really. While I'm at it list of GFX Cards. 2MB Diamond Stealth S3 (beast) Voodoo Banshee Owned about 6 x Voodoo 2 over the years ( still have 3 ) Voodoo 5 5500 AGP (still own) Diamond viper v770 TNT2 Ultra 32MB Geforce 256, Geforce 2 MX, Geforce ti4200, Geforce FX 5600 Geforce 6600GT, Geforce 6800 Ultra, Radeon 3870 CF, Radeon 5850 trifire, 280X CF, 290X CF. + other shit that I have forgotten about as it has been over the last 20 odd years :) Interested to hear about other peoples first cards
I used the Geforce 6200 AGP on a Sempron 1,6GHz (754) playing World of Warcraft back in 2006. Great value for such a low budget system. Still use it for Windows XP retro gaming. :)
The reason why the GeForce 6200 PCI performed so well in certain titles is because the GeForce FX series was very slow with Shader Model 2.0 and DirectX 9 titles due to only being optimised for 16-bit shader code. The ~40% difference in 3DMark 03 shows this well, as do the Far Cry results. This is also why Half-Life 2 defaults to a DirectX 8.1 mode on the FX series, it improved performance greatly.
I absolutely love the PCI 6200, mine is a 512MB variant with plenty of eccentricities. It's said to be one of the last PCI cards before all manufacturers shifted focus to PCIe. I use it in my Dell Dimension 3000. It's my leisure computer that I don't do anything important on, but it actually saved my ass a couple of times. The PCI cards manufactured beyond this point (Zotac GT610/GT430, Jaton 9400GT PCI, Sparkle 8400, Visiontek Radeon HD 3450 are simply display adapters for low end users looking to upgrade to Vista and 7. If you pick up these cards remember to keep your expectations grounded.
I'm thinking of getting one for the dimension 2400 I grew up with that my parents still have in storage. I can finally see what I missed out on at the time. They even have the dell CRT, keyboard, and speakers too.
My first card was an FX 5500. The fan died on it within a couple of years of usage and then I got a 6200. Both were AGP 8X. Thank you Phil for bringing back memories from my childhood.
Interesting video. I bought one of the cheapie Chinese FX5500 PCI cards for an old Socket A PC that had an inbuilt graphics card using the onboard AGP, so it only had PCI slots available for an upgrade. It runs all the games on windows 98 right up to the XP era fine (to me, most games 2001 onwards are basically XP territory). Another fun aspect of this board is that the onboard Trident card runs very well in dos, and the board also has an ISA slot, so if someone had deep pockets, they could track down a dos soundcard and go to town on this thing (if they downclock the CPU/use moslo etc). Sometimes these cheap business/family class boards (in this case it is an MSI board, 6378 I think offhand) can make surprisingly good multi-era gaming machines if you can find the right combo of parts.
Slow bus creates main bottleneck in geometry throughput. (assuming you are not running out of Vram). It simply bottlenecks the amount of triangles/geometry that the CPU can push to the GPU. So in scenes where you are filtrate or shader bottlenecked and with increasing resolutions, it will be more of a GPU bottleneck, but in situations with many polygons it will be bus limit. This bus limit acts similar to CPU limit cause they both result in the same thing, GPU being geometry data starved. This applies from PCI to AGP, and even today if you go from PCI-E 1x to 16x for example, its still the same thing and same behavior. This was also btw the only big flaw in the 3DFX cards. They always used AGP only as 66Mhz PCI bus and while back in the day with slow CPUs and low poly games it was no issue, as modern games came and polygon count skyrocketed it became one. Even in Q3A Voodoo5 excels only in higher resolutions, cause in lower its geometry bottlenecked. Back then Nvidia marketing was shouting "its because we have HW TnL" but nope geometry is the case. If you have the original Halflife2 with DX6/7 support, you can run it smooth on low details and ress on voodoo4 but not on voodoo5, cause voodoo5 has two GPUs sitting on PCI66 connection but voodoo4 has native AGP4x so it has more than 10x more bandwidth.
The voodoo3 was never fast enough to be worried about interface bandwidth. It would only be a concern when using multi channel sound cards and lan cards for wan play. And then PCI latency and bus noise can become a problem. Otherwise the V3 was happy with ~25-50mb of low latency bandwidth. Q3 isnt bottlenecking in bandwidth because of polygons, it was mostly overdraw and z/texturing being handled mostly in system memory, and not being properly cached on the video ram.. . This was done for reasons unknown, but it made the cpu handle tasks in a funny way. It was highly ram bandwidth dependent, and the game engine had poor optimization for direct cpu to gpu communications.
the fx5500 shares chipset with the fx5200, but the former has guaranteed 128 bit memory bus while the fx5200 had 64 bit inmost instances. that is why is faster in older games while the 6200 is better with more shader intensive games. anyway a very insightful and interesting retro hardware review.
After searching for several days, I finally found a reasonably priced 6200 PCI (16 € including postage). I was looking for an old card for my K6-2 3Dnow 500mhz (and hoping to get Bleem / EpsxE / WinUAE to work), and I was very surprised to see that the prices for vintage PCI graphics cards were very high! ! ! While the AGP versions cost almost nothing (there are € 2 or € 3 in France, even sometimes free!) I was also given an Nvidia 256 in AGP last weekend, and I I learned that it was in fact the first Geforce and that it was very, very rare, therefore expensive! I am surprised by all these very high retrogaming prices for some PC parts! Because I thought it was like that for the Amiga of which I have some machines. I also saw that the 3DFX Voodoo cards had become collector's items!
8:50 EXACTLY what I needed to know as I am looking at a fast GPU for Win98. The 6200 PCI was on my list along with the FX5500 but now I know which to get.
I played through Doom 3 on an AGP 6200. It was pretty horrible, but it actually ran the game faster than my Ti4800se did, believe it or not. It wasn't a good experience though. In fact I think Doom 3 and Dawn Of War were the games to finally make me upgrade to an entirely new system. I ended up with an Athlon 64 3200+, 2GB DDR and a Geforce 7600GT AGP. Playing through Doom 3 again was much better! Also I played a lot of Dawn of War multiplayer on that system, in 1440x900. Other great memories of that Summer were Chronicles of Riddick : Butcher Bay and Gothic 3! I still have that original AGP 6200 and now I have a bunch of other PCI 6200's. Some are TurboCache, some are 256MB onboard. Awesome retro cards. Great DX8 performance, compatability, small, cheap etc.
My upgrade was pretty similar at that time. I went from a P4 2.2ghz with 1gb *RDRAM* and a ti4400 to an Athlon 64 3500+, 2GB DDR and a 6800XT 256mb DDR3 PCI-E. That system kept me happy for quite awhile, until I swapped the Athlon for an Opteron 146 and upgraded the card to an X1950 Pro.
Jameson you made some great choices there! I had a Leadtek 6800XT AGP too, and it performed really well but I did use RivaTuner to unlock the pixel and vertex pipes, and then it performed identical to a 6800GT (scores in 3DMark 2003 went up from 9000 to 12,000). No artifacts or anything, but for some reason I stuck with only having half the masked pipes unlocked. Still performed great! I never had the budget for the X19XX series at the time. I own a bunch of them now but they were too expensive for me back in the day. The 7600GT was more of a side-grade than an upgrade, but I'd sold a friend the 6800XT for pretty much the same money as the new 7600GT cost me, so it was win win. He had been trying to play FarCry on an ancient Geforce 2 GTS at the time! The 6800XT just blew his mind! ;)
I tried to play doom 3 on my 9700 pro and athlon xp 2500. I recall it being a little bit on the underpowered side. But I think I was trying to push the card hard as hell too. As at the time, the visual impact was stunning. I later upgraded to an athlon 3700 on the Asrock 939 dual sata 2... an ali chipset dual board, which allowed me to use my 9700 AIW, and i later upgraded to a 7900 gt. I also ended up upgrading that board with its AM2 daughter board LOL... that piece of crap lasted me a very very long time. I upgraded the 3700 to an x2 3800, which was a touch slower single threaded, but the dual core was a very welcome upgrade. And then about 2006-7 i picked up the AM2 board for really cheap and a windser 5000 black edition, and used it for a very long time. I think I finaly upgraded it to an e8400 in late 2009. So I ran that board for over 6 years.
I had a hacked EVGA 6200 AGP - probably otherwise identical to the 6200 PCI you have here - in a G4 Macintosh with a 1.4 GHz processor upgrade and I remember the Mac version of Halo running better in that setup than it did in a friend of mine’s G5 1.6 with the Radeon 9600. I have another one of these cards sitting in my basement, needing a recap.
I had a factory overclocked BFG (Now defunct!) 5500FX AGP card that I used for quite a few years. Worked reasonably well. For some reason I had a 6200 PCI card as well, can't remember the story behind getting that, but it proved useful because the 5500FX's fan destroyed itself somehow and I was able to simply pop off the fan of the 6200 and put it on the 5500, good as new.
The FX 5500 AGP was my first gpu ever, back in 2005. After than i went for the AGP version of 6200 in order to max out Prince of Persia Warrior Within, which i didn't and it was a bad choice but damn...memories, great video as always
The 6200 is so underrated and passed over by most. That’s ok, leaves more online for us to buy and enjoy while others pay out the nose for cards everyone is after. 😜
I actually find for Pentium II and early Pentium III retro builds with x2 AGP the Radeon 9200 or 9250 run slightly faster than the Geforce 6200 especially in Direct X 7 and 8.1. Plus, with the Radeon's they have really nice 400Mhz RAMDAC which produce a really crisp picture. I know 6200's tend to have a 400Mhz RAMDAC but I find the Radeon's a tad better on the image sharpness, I'm not sure about the FX5500 RAMDAC frequency though?
Thanks Phil for all your videos. They are so helpful and well produced. That, and I love your accent for some reason. Haha. I can't decide which card I want to put in my Pentium 4 based Win98 system, so I have bought both the PCI FX5500 and the PCI 6200 OC from ebay. Waiting for them now. Will try them with the games I intend to play and see which works best!
How did those cards turn out for you? Which one would you recommend? Phil mentioned the FX cards had older (better?) drivers and supported some features the 6200 didn’t, did you find that to cause any issues?
@@jonchapman6821 The 6200 was much faster in 3DMark benchmarks (all versions). However in games I had much more issues with it. Games either failed to work at all, or there were graphical bugs. That may be down to the driver version though, as I don't think I tried every version. I still haven't got around to building my "Ultimate" Win98 system yet, but I have collected enough parts. It will either be a Pentium 4 or a AMD x64 4600+ and the GPU will probably be a Geforce 4 4600 AGP. I believe that will be more compatible than the FX-based card. The FX 5500 is a great card though so I'd reccomend that over the 6200.
I have a pci 6200 on the way for my win98se machine. I has a p3 1ghz and 512mb of ram. Lovely machine but the built in TNT2 pro 16mb does struggle in areas where the cpu isnt even trying. This should be great :)
Thanks for this video! There is a lot of bashing in the retro community of motherboards with only PCI slots. This video show shows such motherboards can be a great low budget choice.
Interesting video as always Phil. Would be interesting to see the 2x fx5500 cards benchmarked against each other with either one overclocked or one under clocked so they are both running the same clock speeds, we done this in our 6600 GT PCI-e VS AGOP video
PC Gods were kind again.Im putting together at the moment in a Chieftec Dragon case the following;Asus P4C800-E,1GB Kingston 400 Mhz Cl2.5 ram,GF 6800 12pipelines,256 bits w 128 MB memory and a 160 Sata HDD.Im doing for just fun,plus i dont like the parts laying around in boxes,when it can be put together.Its my 4th P4 System i dont know why i build even today sometimes..wait..ah bc its dirt cheap :) And retro.I love XP gaming era.
Thanks a ton for the wonderful content and the awesome website. Finally “upgraded” from the crappy 64bit fx5200 to 128bit fx5500 and it’s a welcome change. Agp cards are next to impossible to find at my place. Though I do not have a pci card - I have a couple of those motherboards with fake agp slots - the ones that actually run at pci. On average ,3ghz p4 + pci forced fx5500 was actually 25-30% slower than a p4 2.8 but with true agp 8x. My next hunt is for sb pci card - got one of those generic Yamaha 724s but no SB op in pure dos :(
The Yamaha YMF724/744 PCI cards have a real OPL3 chip and they do work in DOS, even if your motherboard doesn't support SB-Link or DDMA. They apparently sound great but the only downside is they required expanded memory (EMM386) to load the TSR for the DMA if you don't have an SB-Link or DDMA supporting motherboard, so some games won't work with it. Phil even made a video about it, so I recommend you check it out.
A Terratec TT-SOLO1 is a good alternative. Those cards do not have a real OPL3, but sound excellent nevertheless and are highly compatible. Just make sure your card has the Wavetable header already soldered.
I just revived my p4 dell 4550 with fx5200 pci and am enjoying fifa 2003 despite having destroyed one of the two 256mb ram sticks in the process😅 but I dont think the 80gig ide WD hd has much life left it is getting noisy.
Hey Phil, the Arctic Alpine 7 Pro, has the push pin and fin stack form factor of the Alphine 11, but with the isolated fan like the Arctic Alpine 11 Pro. Best of both worlds.
hey phil, a few years ago i bought one of those cheap remanufactured china FX 5500 graphics cards. Trying to play with it now but the official windows xp nvidia driver will not work with the card. device manager tells me error 10.. I think there was a special driver disk that came with this card but i don't know what i did with it, do you have a copy of that driver or have a link to where i can find it?
only 5700 or higher could run F.E.A.R and some other games at least in 640x480 x 20-30fps... anything including 5600 is superslowpoke. Even 6200 looks ultrapowered compared at 5000 series
I've got AGP fx 5500, fx 5200, 6200 from my friend for free and I paired it with Pentium 4 3GHz HT PC which my dad found next to the trash. Now I have decent computer for retro gaming.
This was really interesting! My first computer was a Dell Dimension 3000, 2.8ghz P4 with 512 mb ram. It had no AGP slot - the crafty buggers had omitted it! Had pads for it and everything, but they didn't bother to populate it. So the only hope for 13 year old me to play HL2 and CS:S was a $50 PCI FX5600 off ebay. It's rather stinging to know that Dell's cost-cutting meant that I was losing a significant amount of performance back in the day.
Yeah. It likely wasn't cost-cutting, either, but market segmentation. I'm SURE they had a higher-end model that used that same motherboard that could be spec'd with discrete AGP graphics. But if you didn't pay up, you didn't even get the port, else you could compete with their pricier model.
I remember playing FC1 on a Nvidia 6200 AGP with AMD K8, it performed really good for an entry level card, FX5500 however was just absolute disaster for me and that died instantly on Ubuntu.
I guess the biggest drawback to PCI is that bus bandwidth is so much lower due to PCI being connected to the Southbridge whereas AGP is connected to the Northbridge if I'm not mistaken
Not just that but yes and worse still the clock is often limited to 33mhz so the bandwidth is limited to 133mb/s then there is likely some losses in the mix. I am jaded against using it beyond 3DFX and Dos stuff.
If I remember correctly, the PCI-clock was tied to the frontside-bus, one of the reasons overclocking became more problematic/challenging when pushing the FSB higher (for example, when going from 66 to 83) AGP was also tied directly to the north-bridge, and indeed offered a far better bandwidth compared to PCI at the time. That said, if you managed to get the PCI-bus working and stable at 83 (from original 66 in this example) you'd get a better performance out of your PCI-videocards. That said, it usually wasn't worth it.
find the agp amd hd4650 you can do it! or even look in to the hybrid crossfire phenomenon. theres Alot to play with there and its all based around budget hardware so it wont send you in to debt.
About two years ago I got a GeForce 6200 for my Lenovo Thinkcentre A52, a former office desktop that is now one of my retro gaming PCs. It only had a riser card with PCI slots, and because of it's small form factor the card had to be single slot and passively cooled. It seems I made the right choice. :)
Nice! Also thank you for your DOSBox ECE work, while I don't use DOSBox much, it's now my go-to version :D I like that you focus on the important stuff, and don't try to add every possible enhancement. A shame that DBGL hasn't received any updates, in the last release it offered partial support for ECE, it should really come with full support, or even bundled! Maybe that's something the two of you could work together on?
Thanks, I hope everyone using it enjoys DOSBox ECE! And tbh: Even if I wanted to add all existing stuff, I couldn't, because I lack the coding skills required to do so. :) Maybe I'll contact DBGL author and tr5y to see if we can get that support improved. Shouldn't be too difficult.
Very informative video. I'm upgrading a P4 system (the motherboard has a 400MHz bus so going to a 2.8GHz Northwood to basically max it out) and I've been looking at graphics cards. The motherboard has AGP 4X. I'd heard there were issues with the 6000-series cards in Windows 98 so I'll be going with a 256MB FX5700 as it has the performance I'm looking for at a good price. I'd be interested to see the difference between the 5200/5700/5900 etc!
For Windows 98, the FX series is the last one that I would recommend. Lots of options. GeForce 2, 3 and 4 are all suitable. Also cheaper MX cards and Quadro workstation.
@@philscomputerlab Hi Phil, thanks for the answer. I decided to buy the FX5700 256MB AGP in the end as I think it was a good balance of price vs performance. I will be experimenting with other cards in future. I can't see a video about the 5700 on your channel - which driver version would you recommend to use with this card and 98SE? I hear that some of the later nvidia Windows 9x drivers have stability issues?
2004 I had just gotten world of warcraft and my PC could barely run it because I had integrated graphics. I only had one PCI slot in my cheap crappy Dell I had gotten for Christmas. I quickly logged online looking for the cheapest graphics card I could find and newegg had them on clearance for about $50 so I snapped one up. It ran the game great until Lich King when it basically would freeze up in Dalaran. I then got a new PC and upgraded to an Radeon 2600 XT.
Thanks for this. I just picked up a PCI 6200 pretty cheap to use in my windows 98 SE machine. I was kinda curious as to how much performance I could expect from the PCI version.
My first GPU ever was an FX 5200 PCI...trash card but got me into PC gaming, so I have a soft spot for the FX series. Had terrible performance, but allowed me to enable all the graphics settings.
I bought the 5500 for an MVP4 board with a K6-3+ CPU last year. Didn't test it much, but a Voodoo 3 was slightly faster in general. Need some special T&L or bigger than 16 (minus framebuffer) Mb texture graphics to let the GeForce win.
I reassembled the MVP4 PC and started with the Savage4 Pro card playing Colin McRae Rally 1 on max settings. It runs better on Riva TNT and I believe that Voodoo 3 will do even better. It doesn't make much sense to try the Voodoo 2 on this system and I don't have other PCI 3D cards other than the above mentioned FX5500 which probably will not run the CMR1 flawlessly.
Thank you for the video :-) Just wondering, how does the DOS 2D performance rate on the FX5500 vs the S3 or ET6000? I need to purchase a PCI card for Pentium Era (dont think it would work under 486) and am tossing up between the two and the FX is significantly cheaper ($44AUD).
Are those pci express or simple pci? I only seem to find those in pci express or agp. If they aren't simple pci, what pci card you would reccomend to a 1.6ghz amd athlon xp for a retro windows xp machine? (my motherboard, a m7vkq doesnt have agp)
Kind of funny I just bought Call of Duty 1 and UO, 2 days ago (3rd copy I've bought over the years since it doesn't run right on win 10). But I wondering what sound settings your were running? it sounded much different than when I was playing it yesterday.
I'm still staying using a computer based on: - Pentium 4 3.2 ghz (641 model, 65nm, 2m L2, 800mhz FSB) - ASRock 775i65PE (ASUS P5P800 was previous) - 2x 1GB SuperElixir (Nanya) DDR 400 in dual channel on timings 2.5-3-3-6 (PAT enabled) - Sound Blaster Live 5.1 (Audigy SE) SB 0570 - GeForce 4200Ti / FX5700 / 6200 / 6600(GT)/ 7300GT or sometimes Ati 9550 / 9600 XT / x1650 / HD 2600 and more - I swap graphics cards depending on task and my mood. Sometimes i swap platform on 478 with the same 865 chipset and CPU freq. I use windows XP SP3 there, and i work and play 80% PC time on this system - the creation of 3D models, textures, UDMF maps and voxel KVX models, even multimedia and internet browsing under Firefox 52 - i love this system. Another one is old too but a bit newer - Core 2 Duo e8400, P5LD2-X 1333, 2x 2GB Nanya 800mhz (667mhz actual, 4-4-4-11) and GeForce 630 on GK 107 is used only to run some "background" youtube video or sometimes for WoT and the main task - to upload my own videos - only windows 7 and upper are allowed now for uploading the content. Before the 2020 i was uploading gameplays onto another channel with pentium 4 and XP too))
5:47 How can one play the older version of HL2? I remember, I used to play it on my 2003 PC with a Geforce MX card with 64 mb VRAM (it has to be Geforce 2 or 4 but I can't remember), but an update around 2013 made that PC unable to run HL2 at some hovercraft levels... those levels just refused to load after that update.
Original disk is what I do for most of my games, like you said many of these were updated for steam and dont work as well on older hardware. I actually got "the orange box" when they used to sell it in physical form
phil, a quick question, how good of a fit would a 6200 agp be in a late pentium 3 build for windows 98, any thoughts/experiance with that combination? best regards from bavaria
@@philscomputerlab at the price I suppose it's worth the risk. Hopefully they're backwards compatible. I think we've had a couple of recently made PCI SATA HBA that aren't happy on SS7 or Slot 1 boards.
@@DaveVelociraptor Yea they work, but I've heard that they don't work in some boards. Not sure what the reasons are. So yea, I guess you get what you pay for. They worked well for me though :)
Are you sure Generic FX5500 PCI isn't FX5200 with hacked bios? Take off the heatsink and check. Mine says Go5200. Sounds like a ripoff, don't you think so?
@@philscomputerlab I guess only way to find out is to compare PCI FX5200 128bit vs. that Chinese Generic PCI FX5500 128bit and ensure that no compromises in graphics were taken
@@philscomputerlab Back in early 2000's I was particularly sad that I couldn't afford PCI FX5500 128bit, and got PCI FX5200 128bit instead :). Turns out the entire FX5200 vs. FX5500 thing was a ripoff? What???
The difference is really that the FX 5500 has the full 128 Bit memory interface, whereas the FX 5200 usually has the rubbish 64 Bit interface and is much slower. Yes indeed, you will find a FX 5200 GPU underneath the cooler. Clock speeds are all over the place with cards from that era.
I got the PCI FX5500 running on a Dell Dimension 2400 with 2.56GHz Pentium 4, i call it the super slug 😂😂 , runs far cry, serious sam, even gta vice city is playable, for how much flak this card gets it honestly really surprised me , driver with XP that works is 91.8 something, it comes up as a beta driver but seems to work flawlessly with games around 95-05
Aah I got exact same 2 PCI cards for my PCI only (i810) windows 98 rig. but unfortunately fx5500 didn't work without an AGP slot! So stuck with 6200 with driver version 81.85 (most stable) Many games work but I couldn't get NFS Porsche unleashed working :( hoping to change to a radeon 9200 128 bit version and see.
One ot the selling point with nvivda 6200 were how it performed in Doom 3 - but the cards were really bad compared to the older generation in about everything except video ram
Phil, love ya shit :) love the era of PC gaming you cover.
Watching videos about a great PC era while living at one of the worst ones.
Yeah, I hate Fortnite, PUBG and all that shit.
1998 was when I got my first 3D accelerator (Voodoo Banshee) and AMD K6-2 400. Absolutely destroyed anything that consoles had to offer. Good times
I remember my Ti4200 trading blows with my mate's FX5600 ( which I threw away recently and shouldn't have). The FX 5XXX were turds, really.
While I'm at it
list of GFX Cards.
2MB Diamond Stealth S3 (beast)
Voodoo Banshee
Owned about 6 x Voodoo 2 over the years ( still have 3 )
Voodoo 5 5500 AGP (still own)
Diamond viper v770 TNT2 Ultra 32MB
Geforce 256, Geforce 2 MX, Geforce ti4200, Geforce FX 5600 Geforce 6600GT, Geforce 6800 Ultra, Radeon 3870 CF, Radeon 5850 trifire, 280X CF, 290X CF. + other shit that I have forgotten about as it has been over the last 20 odd years :)
Interested to hear about other peoples first cards
Geforce FX graphics cards were factory damaged for this performance was worse temperature high loud cooling from all manufacturers
really miss how crisp and clear 640x480 looked on 17" CRT
Hmm this subject appeals to me.
I used the Geforce 6200 AGP on a Sempron 1,6GHz (754) playing World of Warcraft back in 2006. Great value for such a low budget system. Still use it for Windows XP retro gaming. :)
almost the same setup! used to pair my old XFX 6200 AGP with a Sempron 2600+ 1.8ghz
The reason why the GeForce 6200 PCI performed so well in certain titles is because the GeForce FX series was very slow with Shader Model 2.0 and DirectX 9 titles due to only being optimised for 16-bit shader code. The ~40% difference in 3DMark 03 shows this well, as do the Far Cry results. This is also why Half-Life 2 defaults to a DirectX 8.1 mode on the FX series, it improved performance greatly.
I absolutely love the PCI 6200, mine is a 512MB variant with plenty of eccentricities. It's said to be one of the last PCI cards before all manufacturers shifted focus to PCIe. I use it in my Dell Dimension 3000. It's my leisure computer that I don't do anything important on, but it actually saved my ass a couple of times.
The PCI cards manufactured beyond this point (Zotac GT610/GT430, Jaton 9400GT PCI, Sparkle 8400, Visiontek Radeon HD 3450 are simply display adapters for low end users looking to upgrade to Vista and 7. If you pick up these cards remember to keep your expectations grounded.
I'm thinking of getting one for the dimension 2400 I grew up with that my parents still have in storage. I can finally see what I missed out on at the time. They even have the dell CRT, keyboard, and speakers too.
what os are you running in your dimension 3000
My first card was an FX 5500. The fan died on it within a couple of years of usage and then I got a 6200. Both were AGP 8X. Thank you Phil for bringing back memories from my childhood.
Interesting video. I bought one of the cheapie Chinese FX5500 PCI cards for an old Socket A PC that had an inbuilt graphics card using the onboard AGP, so it only had PCI slots available for an upgrade. It runs all the games on windows 98 right up to the XP era fine (to me, most games 2001 onwards are basically XP territory).
Another fun aspect of this board is that the onboard Trident card runs very well in dos, and the board also has an ISA slot, so if someone had deep pockets, they could track down a dos soundcard and go to town on this thing (if they downclock the CPU/use moslo etc).
Sometimes these cheap business/family class boards (in this case it is an MSI board, 6378 I think offhand) can make surprisingly good multi-era gaming machines if you can find the right combo of parts.
just got a 6200 after all these years, thanks for the video and benchmarks
Just put a 5500 pci card into an old p3 800 system which only had PCI slots, thanks for hosting the drivers on your website!
Slow bus creates main bottleneck in geometry throughput. (assuming you are not running out of Vram). It simply bottlenecks the amount of triangles/geometry that the CPU can push to the GPU. So in scenes where you are filtrate or shader bottlenecked and with increasing resolutions, it will be more of a GPU bottleneck, but in situations with many polygons it will be bus limit. This bus limit acts similar to CPU limit cause they both result in the same thing, GPU being geometry data starved. This applies from PCI to AGP, and even today if you go from PCI-E 1x to 16x for example, its still the same thing and same behavior.
This was also btw the only big flaw in the 3DFX cards. They always used AGP only as 66Mhz PCI bus and while back in the day with slow CPUs and low poly games it was no issue, as modern games came and polygon count skyrocketed it became one. Even in Q3A Voodoo5 excels only in higher resolutions, cause in lower its geometry bottlenecked. Back then Nvidia marketing was shouting "its because we have HW TnL" but nope geometry is the case. If you have the original Halflife2 with DX6/7 support, you can run it smooth on low details and ress on voodoo4 but not on voodoo5, cause voodoo5 has two GPUs sitting on PCI66 connection but voodoo4 has native AGP4x so it has more than 10x more bandwidth.
The voodoo3 was never fast enough to be worried about interface bandwidth. It would only be a concern when using multi channel sound cards and lan cards for wan play. And then PCI latency and bus noise can become a problem. Otherwise the V3 was happy with ~25-50mb of low latency bandwidth. Q3 isnt bottlenecking in bandwidth because of polygons, it was mostly overdraw and z/texturing being handled mostly in system memory, and not being properly cached on the video ram.. . This was done for reasons unknown, but it made the cpu handle tasks in a funny way. It was highly ram bandwidth dependent, and the game engine had poor optimization for direct cpu to gpu communications.
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the fx5500 shares chipset with the fx5200, but the former has guaranteed 128 bit memory bus while the fx5200 had 64 bit inmost instances. that is why is faster in older games while the 6200 is better with more shader intensive games. anyway a very insightful and interesting retro hardware review.
Can't wait for the eBay prices to go up, thanks Phil.
Sweet =D Loving seeing some of the games on test there at the end. I feel the need to play N4S2, Call of Duty, and Half-Life 2 lol.
After searching for several days, I finally found a reasonably priced 6200 PCI (16 € including postage).
I was looking for an old card for my K6-2 3Dnow 500mhz (and hoping to get Bleem / EpsxE / WinUAE to work), and I was very surprised to see that the prices for vintage PCI graphics cards were very high! ! ! While the AGP versions cost almost nothing (there are € 2 or € 3 in France, even sometimes free!) I was also given an Nvidia 256 in AGP last weekend, and I I learned that it was in fact the first Geforce and that it was very, very rare, therefore expensive!
I am surprised by all these very high retrogaming prices for some PC parts! Because I thought it was like that for the Amiga of which I have some machines.
I also saw that the 3DFX Voodoo cards had become collector's items!
Yea decent PCI cards with 3D acceleration are highly saught after!
8:50 EXACTLY what I needed to know as I am looking at a fast GPU for Win98. The 6200 PCI was on my list along with the FX5500 but now I know which to get.
AGP 6200 would’ve been good to see here too
One day I got a chinese FX 5500 and it was a MX 4000... now I kinda like it.
I played through Doom 3 on an AGP 6200. It was pretty horrible, but it actually ran the game faster than my Ti4800se did, believe it or not. It wasn't a good experience though. In fact I think Doom 3 and Dawn Of War were the games to finally make me upgrade to an entirely new system. I ended up with an Athlon 64 3200+, 2GB DDR and a Geforce 7600GT AGP. Playing through Doom 3 again was much better! Also I played a lot of Dawn of War multiplayer on that system, in 1440x900. Other great memories of that Summer were Chronicles of Riddick : Butcher Bay and Gothic 3!
I still have that original AGP 6200 and now I have a bunch of other PCI 6200's. Some are TurboCache, some are 256MB onboard. Awesome retro cards. Great DX8 performance, compatability, small, cheap etc.
My upgrade was pretty similar at that time. I went from a P4 2.2ghz with 1gb *RDRAM* and a ti4400 to an Athlon 64 3500+, 2GB DDR and a 6800XT 256mb DDR3 PCI-E. That system kept me happy for quite awhile, until I swapped the Athlon for an Opteron 146 and upgraded the card to an X1950 Pro.
Jameson you made some great choices there! I had a Leadtek 6800XT AGP too, and it performed really well but I did use RivaTuner to unlock the pixel and vertex pipes, and then it performed identical to a 6800GT (scores in 3DMark 2003 went up from 9000 to 12,000). No artifacts or anything, but for some reason I stuck with only having half the masked pipes unlocked. Still performed great!
I never had the budget for the X19XX series at the time. I own a bunch of them now but they were too expensive for me back in the day.
The 7600GT was more of a side-grade than an upgrade, but I'd sold a friend the 6800XT for pretty much the same money as the new 7600GT cost me, so it was win win. He had been trying to play FarCry on an ancient Geforce 2 GTS at the time! The 6800XT just blew his mind! ;)
I tried to play doom 3 on my 9700 pro and athlon xp 2500. I recall it being a little bit on the underpowered side. But I think I was trying to push the card hard as hell too. As at the time, the visual impact was stunning. I later upgraded to an athlon 3700 on the Asrock 939 dual sata 2... an ali chipset dual board, which allowed me to use my 9700 AIW, and i later upgraded to a 7900 gt. I also ended up upgrading that board with its AM2 daughter board LOL... that piece of crap lasted me a very very long time. I upgraded the 3700 to an x2 3800, which was a touch slower single threaded, but the dual core was a very welcome upgrade. And then about 2006-7 i picked up the AM2 board for really cheap and a windser 5000 black edition, and used it for a very long time. I think I finaly upgraded it to an e8400 in late 2009. So I ran that board for over 6 years.
I had a hacked EVGA 6200 AGP - probably otherwise identical to the 6200 PCI you have here - in a G4 Macintosh with a 1.4 GHz processor upgrade and I remember the Mac version of Halo running better in that setup than it did in a friend of mine’s G5 1.6 with the Radeon 9600.
I have another one of these cards sitting in my basement, needing a recap.
This was the era I got into PC gaming.
I had a factory overclocked BFG (Now defunct!) 5500FX AGP card that I used for quite a few years. Worked reasonably well. For some reason I had a 6200 PCI card as well, can't remember the story behind getting that, but it proved useful because the 5500FX's fan destroyed itself somehow and I was able to simply pop off the fan of the 6200 and put it on the 5500, good as new.
That Audigy 2 ZS pci sound card sounds pretty sweet during gamming.
The FX 5500 AGP was my first gpu ever, back in 2005. After than i went for the AGP version of 6200 in order to max out Prince of Persia Warrior Within, which i didn't and it was a bad choice but damn...memories, great video as always
The 6200 is so underrated and passed over by most. That’s ok, leaves more online for us to buy and enjoy while others pay out the nose for cards everyone is after. 😜
I actually find for Pentium II and early Pentium III retro builds with x2 AGP the Radeon 9200 or 9250 run slightly faster than the Geforce 6200 especially in Direct X 7 and 8.1. Plus, with the Radeon's they have really nice 400Mhz RAMDAC which produce a really crisp picture. I know 6200's tend to have a 400Mhz RAMDAC but I find the Radeon's a tad better on the image sharpness, I'm not sure about the FX5500 RAMDAC frequency though?
Careful, there are some dreadful 9250s out there.
thank you for reviewing a card i actually have
Thanks Phil for all your videos. They are so helpful and well produced. That, and I love your accent for some reason. Haha. I can't decide which card I want to put in my Pentium 4 based Win98 system, so I have bought both the PCI FX5500 and the PCI 6200 OC from ebay. Waiting for them now. Will try them with the games I intend to play and see which works best!
How did those cards turn out for you? Which one would you recommend? Phil mentioned the FX cards had older (better?) drivers and supported some features the 6200 didn’t, did you find that to cause any issues?
@@jonchapman6821 The 6200 was much faster in 3DMark benchmarks (all versions). However in games I had much more issues with it. Games either failed to work at all, or there were graphical bugs. That may be down to the driver version though, as I don't think I tried every version. I still haven't got around to building my "Ultimate" Win98 system yet, but I have collected enough parts. It will either be a Pentium 4 or a AMD x64 4600+ and the GPU will probably be a Geforce 4 4600 AGP. I believe that will be more compatible than the FX-based card. The FX 5500 is a great card though so I'd reccomend that over the 6200.
@@ksp1278 Thanks for the follow up 👍🏻
Man even with the generational advantage I would have assumed the AGP card would have completely smoked the PCI versions, what a surprise.
That poor german doctor.. Always get backstabbed..
I have a pci 6200 on the way for my win98se machine. I has a p3 1ghz and 512mb of ram. Lovely machine but the built in TNT2 pro 16mb does struggle in areas where the cpu isnt even trying. This should be great :)
Thanks for this video! There is a lot of bashing in the retro community of motherboards with only PCI slots. This video show shows such motherboards can be a great low budget choice.
Hmm, I could do a little build project with such a board?
PhilsComputerLab I think that would make an awesome video.
There are also PCI-E versions of FX5200 and FX 5500 (PCX5300/PCX5550) exist.
Interesting video as always Phil. Would be interesting to see the 2x fx5500 cards benchmarked against each other with either one overclocked or one under clocked so they are both running the same clock speeds, we done this in our 6600 GT PCI-e VS AGOP video
PC Gods were kind again.Im putting together at the moment in a Chieftec Dragon case the following;Asus P4C800-E,1GB Kingston 400 Mhz Cl2.5 ram,GF 6800 12pipelines,256 bits w 128 MB memory and a 160 Sata HDD.Im doing for just fun,plus i dont like the parts laying around in boxes,when it can be put together.Its my 4th P4 System i dont know why i build even today sometimes..wait..ah bc its dirt cheap :) And retro.I love XP gaming era.
Thanks a ton for the wonderful content and the awesome website. Finally “upgraded” from the crappy 64bit fx5200 to 128bit fx5500 and it’s a welcome change. Agp cards are next to impossible to find at my place. Though I do not have a pci card - I have a couple of those motherboards with fake agp slots - the ones that actually run at pci. On average ,3ghz p4 + pci forced fx5500 was actually 25-30% slower than a p4 2.8 but with true agp 8x.
My next hunt is for sb pci card - got one of those generic Yamaha 724s but no SB op in pure dos :(
The Yamaha YMF724/744 PCI cards have a real OPL3 chip and they do work in DOS, even if your motherboard doesn't support SB-Link or DDMA. They apparently sound great but the only downside is they required expanded memory (EMM386) to load the TSR for the DMA if you don't have an SB-Link or DDMA supporting motherboard, so some games won't work with it. Phil even made a video about it, so I recommend you check it out.
@@kunka592 thanks !
A Terratec TT-SOLO1 is a good alternative. Those cards do not have a real OPL3, but sound excellent nevertheless and are highly compatible. Just make sure your card has the Wavetable header already soldered.
@@MarkHohertz thanks !
Wow, this is The Vid I never thought anyone would make, 😂❤
I just revived my p4 dell 4550 with fx5200 pci and am enjoying fifa 2003 despite having destroyed one of the two 256mb ram sticks in the process😅 but I dont think the 80gig ide WD hd has much life left it is getting noisy.
Hey Phil, the Arctic Alpine 7 Pro, has the push pin and fin stack form factor of the Alphine 11, but with the isolated fan like the Arctic Alpine 11 Pro. Best of both worlds.
hey phil, a few years ago i bought one of those cheap remanufactured china FX 5500 graphics cards. Trying to play with it now but the official windows xp nvidia driver will not work with the card. device manager tells me error 10.. I think there was a special driver disk that came with this card but i don't know what i did with it, do you have a copy of that driver or have a link to where i can find it?
Compared to the ATI Radeon 9550 the FX 5200 and 5500 were horrible cards from my experience :(
The entire FX line was dreadful in DirectX 9 games.
@@nitrax8629 FACT!
FX 5500 PCI is great for late 90s Windows 98 build, especially if the mobo doesn't have an AGP slot.
only 5700 or higher could run F.E.A.R and some other games at least in 640x480 x 20-30fps... anything including 5600 is superslowpoke. Even 6200 looks ultrapowered compared at 5000 series
@@PentiumChronicles i ran FEAR on a 5600 ultra 30 to 60, but i always played in dx8 mode for around 100avg fps for multiplayer :)
I also have a fx5500 pci,it is working
interesting to see the older AGP card and newer PCI card pretty much being about the same for so many of the results...
I've got AGP fx 5500, fx 5200, 6200 from my friend for free and I paired it with Pentium 4 3GHz HT PC which my dad found next to the trash. Now I have decent computer for retro gaming.
This was really interesting!
My first computer was a Dell Dimension 3000, 2.8ghz P4 with 512 mb ram. It had no AGP slot - the crafty buggers had omitted it! Had pads for it and everything, but they didn't bother to populate it. So the only hope for 13 year old me to play HL2 and CS:S was a $50 PCI FX5600 off ebay. It's rather stinging to know that Dell's cost-cutting meant that I was losing a significant amount of performance back in the day.
A fast Pentium 4 but no AGP is such a dick move to be honest :D OEMs at their finest..
Yeah. It likely wasn't cost-cutting, either, but market segmentation. I'm SURE they had a higher-end model that used that same motherboard that could be spec'd with discrete AGP graphics. But if you didn't pay up, you didn't even get the port, else you could compete with their pricier model.
I remember playing FC1 on a Nvidia 6200 AGP with AMD K8, it performed really good for an entry level card, FX5500 however was just absolute disaster for me and that died instantly on Ubuntu.
I guess the biggest drawback to PCI is that bus bandwidth is so much lower due to PCI being connected to the Southbridge whereas AGP is connected to the Northbridge if I'm not mistaken
Not just that but yes and worse still the clock is often limited to 33mhz so the bandwidth is limited to 133mb/s then there is likely some losses in the mix. I am jaded against using it beyond 3DFX and Dos stuff.
Yeah that about sums up my thoughts exactly. PCI for compatibilty with everything, AGP for the actual performance
AFAIK for PCI it's 133MB/s, and double that for AGP 1x. The card used in the video has an AGP 8x interface, so that's 16x the bandwidth :D
Cool, didn't know that yet, thanks!
If I remember correctly, the PCI-clock was tied to the frontside-bus, one of the reasons overclocking became more problematic/challenging when pushing the FSB higher (for example, when going from 66 to 83) AGP was also tied directly to the north-bridge, and indeed offered a far better bandwidth compared to PCI at the time. That said, if you managed to get the PCI-bus working and stable at 83 (from original 66 in this example) you'd get a better performance out of your PCI-videocards. That said, it usually wasn't worth it.
find the agp amd hd4650 you can do it! or even look in to the hybrid crossfire phenomenon. theres Alot to play with there and its all based around budget hardware so it wont send you in to debt.
About two years ago I got a GeForce 6200 for my Lenovo Thinkcentre A52, a former office desktop that is now one of my retro gaming PCs. It only had a riser card with PCI slots, and because of it's small form factor the card had to be single slot and passively cooled. It seems I made the right choice. :)
Nice! Also thank you for your DOSBox ECE work, while I don't use DOSBox much, it's now my go-to version :D I like that you focus on the important stuff, and don't try to add every possible enhancement. A shame that DBGL hasn't received any updates, in the last release it offered partial support for ECE, it should really come with full support, or even bundled! Maybe that's something the two of you could work together on?
Thanks, I hope everyone using it enjoys DOSBox ECE! And tbh: Even if I wanted to add all existing stuff, I couldn't, because I lack the coding skills required to do so. :)
Maybe I'll contact DBGL author and tr5y to see if we can get that support improved. Shouldn't be too difficult.
Very informative video. I'm upgrading a P4 system (the motherboard has a 400MHz bus so going to a 2.8GHz Northwood to basically max it out) and I've been looking at graphics cards. The motherboard has AGP 4X. I'd heard there were issues with the 6000-series cards in Windows 98 so I'll be going with a 256MB FX5700 as it has the performance I'm looking for at a good price. I'd be interested to see the difference between the 5200/5700/5900 etc!
For Windows 98, the FX series is the last one that I would recommend. Lots of options. GeForce 2, 3 and 4 are all suitable. Also cheaper MX cards and Quadro workstation.
@@philscomputerlab Hi Phil, thanks for the answer. I decided to buy the FX5700 256MB AGP in the end as I think it was a good balance of price vs performance. I will be experimenting with other cards in future. I can't see a video about the 5700 on your channel - which driver version would you recommend to use with this card and 98SE? I hear that some of the later nvidia Windows 9x drivers have stability issues?
I wonder if the pci cards would run faster in a pci to pcie Bridge? Maybe there would be less overheads?
I still have them , all three , but mine don't have DVI output , I need motherboards to use them
2004 I had just gotten world of warcraft and my PC could barely run it because I had integrated graphics. I only had one PCI slot in my cheap crappy Dell I had gotten for Christmas. I quickly logged online looking for the cheapest graphics card I could find and newegg had them on clearance for about $50 so I snapped one up. It ran the game great until Lich King when it basically would freeze up in Dalaran. I then got a new PC and upgraded to an Radeon 2600 XT.
Thanks for this. I just picked up a PCI 6200 pretty cheap to use in my windows 98 SE machine. I was kinda curious as to how much performance I could expect from the PCI version.
And, how did it work out for you? I jave jist bought one on ebay for my Win98 PC (Pentium 4 based)
My first GPU ever was an FX 5200 PCI...trash card but got me into PC gaming, so I have a soft spot for the FX series. Had terrible performance, but allowed me to enable all the graphics settings.
It was often good enough to just be able to actually render the Source engine water and texture effects without errors.
cool
just fixed my Socket 370 platform, this vid helps me pick the card
I bought the 5500 for an MVP4 board with a K6-3+ CPU last year. Didn't test it much, but a Voodoo 3 was slightly faster in general. Need some special T&L or bigger than 16 (minus framebuffer) Mb texture graphics to let the GeForce win.
It will be in glide for sure. The K6 being so cpu constrained, it will probably fare better with the 3dfx drivers being somewhat less cpu invasive.
However other than glide games, the 5500 imo is a much nicer looking card in most games.
Sadly the 4(5)500 is very hard to find for an appropriate price.
I reassembled the MVP4 PC and started with the Savage4 Pro card playing Colin McRae Rally 1 on max settings. It runs better on Riva TNT and I believe that Voodoo 3 will do even better. It doesn't make much sense to try the Voodoo 2 on this system and I don't have other PCI 3D cards other than the above mentioned FX5500 which probably will not run the CMR1 flawlessly.
Thank you for the video :-)
Just wondering, how does the DOS 2D performance rate on the FX5500 vs the S3 or ET6000?
I need to purchase a PCI card for Pentium Era (dont think it would work under 486) and am tossing up between the two and the FX is significantly cheaper ($44AUD).
Are those pci express or simple pci? I only seem to find those in pci express or agp. If they aren't simple pci, what pci card you would reccomend to a 1.6ghz amd athlon xp for a retro windows xp machine? (my motherboard, a m7vkq doesnt have agp)
I always thought the demise of AGP was a shame, they were so far ahead of PCIe when it launched but obviously PCIe was cheaper to implement.
Just got the AGP version of the 6200 for £1 in a box of bits😁
Just stuck Win 98 on an Atom D510 with an FX5500 PCI and got 4187.
Kind of funny I just bought Call of Duty 1 and UO, 2 days ago (3rd copy I've bought over the years since it doesn't run right on win 10). But I wondering what sound settings your were running? it sounded much different than when I was playing it yesterday.
Maybe it was clipping, not sure? It was also the demo version, because Steam will stop supporting Windows XP soon, so I'm not using Steam anymore.
Getting good use of that copy of HL2 huh? I forget, did you ever try it in DX6 mode?
Jay F They put a copy on Archive.org now. Yea DX6 works just fine.
I had an asus ati hd4650, in 2012 i was on agp system, still remember playin games like gta 4, wow, dota2 with 3.5gb ram
6200 is my favorite. runs matrox-reef-demo and all ati-demos up to 9700 :)
I'm still staying using a computer based on:
- Pentium 4 3.2 ghz (641 model, 65nm, 2m L2, 800mhz FSB)
- ASRock 775i65PE (ASUS P5P800 was previous)
- 2x 1GB SuperElixir (Nanya) DDR 400 in dual channel on timings 2.5-3-3-6 (PAT enabled)
- Sound Blaster Live 5.1 (Audigy SE) SB 0570
- GeForce 4200Ti / FX5700 / 6200 / 6600(GT)/ 7300GT or sometimes Ati 9550 / 9600 XT / x1650 / HD 2600 and more - I swap graphics cards depending on task and my mood. Sometimes i swap platform on 478 with the same 865 chipset and CPU freq.
I use windows XP SP3 there, and i work and play 80% PC time on this system - the creation of 3D models, textures, UDMF maps and voxel KVX models, even multimedia and internet browsing under Firefox 52 - i love this system.
Another one is old too but a bit newer - Core 2 Duo e8400, P5LD2-X 1333, 2x 2GB Nanya 800mhz (667mhz actual, 4-4-4-11) and GeForce 630 on GK 107 is used only to run some "background" youtube video or sometimes for WoT and the main task - to upload my own videos - only windows 7 and upper are allowed now for uploading the content. Before the 2020 i was uploading gameplays onto another channel with pentium 4 and XP too))
What to do now a days with agp cards ? Serious guidance required ? 🤔
my FX5500
5:47 How can one play the older version of HL2?
I remember, I used to play it on my 2003 PC with a Geforce MX card with 64 mb VRAM (it has to be Geforce 2 or 4 but I can't remember), but an update around 2013 made that PC unable to run HL2 at some hovercraft levels... those levels just refused to load after that update.
Original disk is what I do for most of my games, like you said many of these were updated for steam and dont work as well on older hardware. I actually got "the orange box" when they used to sell it in physical form
Trokoder Hong Yea come 2019 it's game over. Forced me to look for "alternatives" and is actually making things easier for producing videos :)
phil, a quick question, how good of a fit would a 6200 agp be in a late pentium 3 build for windows 98, any thoughts/experiance with that combination? best regards from bavaria
It's not the best choice I'm afraid. GeForce FX would be preferred...
Im convinced Phil times his vid uploads to when i schedule my coffee and smoke break lol
Fantastic work, thank you!
I bought a new in box agp 5500. It died in hours. However. I got an agp fx 5200 for free. Sooooo it wasn't all bad.
The FX5500 that are on ebay and ali express are obviously unbranded newly made ones. Are they reliable and worth having?
It's unknown how they are made! Longer term reliability is also unknown. If you want a better product, look for branded used model instead :)
@@philscomputerlab at the price I suppose it's worth the risk. Hopefully they're backwards compatible. I think we've had a couple of recently made PCI SATA HBA that aren't happy on SS7 or Slot 1 boards.
@@DaveVelociraptor Yea they work, but I've heard that they don't work in some boards. Not sure what the reasons are. So yea, I guess you get what you pay for. They worked well for me though :)
Is this your first 4k video? :D
how come you dont have a discord yet?
Thanks Phil, I have a 6200 PCI that i use with XP
Are you sure Generic FX5500 PCI isn't FX5200 with hacked bios? Take off the heatsink and check. Mine says Go5200. Sounds like a ripoff, don't you think so?
AFAIK there is no FX5500 chip, they all use FX5200 chips, but the 128 Bit interface is what makes it a FX5500?
@@philscomputerlab Hmm... But then all AGP FX5200 with 128bit are effectively FX5500? :/
Yes AFAIK that's the situation. I don't believe the FX5500 has more pipelines or anything like that.
@@philscomputerlab I guess only way to find out is to compare PCI FX5200 128bit vs. that Chinese Generic PCI FX5500 128bit and ensure that no compromises in graphics were taken
@@philscomputerlab Back in early 2000's I was particularly sad that I couldn't afford PCI FX5500 128bit, and got PCI FX5200 128bit instead :). Turns out the entire FX5200 vs. FX5500 thing was a ripoff? What???
PCI 6200 is a better choice if you use XP, you will run more stuff through her than with the FX.
would be nice if you could compare the PCI radeon 9100 too, might very well be faster than these
Those are the only fast PCI cards I have. The rest are all slower ones, GeForce2, TNT2, that sort of stuff.
What Win98se Driver is best for my FX5500 PCI?
perfect work as always
Which is better ?x1650 pci 512mb ddr2 or intel hd first gen
Please.do.review GeForce
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Nice video.
Hi, could you make a video of the 3D Configuration of the AGP Fx5500 ?. For better quality. Or could you give me the one you have by default
Enable V-Sync, set AF to 8x or 16x and you're set.
xp or win 98?
The generic FX5500 is actually a spoof. It's a 5200 chip under the heatsink. I found out the hard way. A real 5500 is supposed to run at 270MHZ.
The difference is really that the FX 5500 has the full 128 Bit memory interface, whereas the FX 5200 usually has the rubbish 64 Bit interface and is much slower. Yes indeed, you will find a FX 5200 GPU underneath the cooler. Clock speeds are all over the place with cards from that era.
ATI Radeon 9250 PCI?
Hi Filippo!
Ah, there you are! Stab stab stab
Classic
would these cards work in the dell dim 3000 PC? AS HAS NO apg SOCKET?
Only one way for you to find out!
I had this machine! I ran an FX5600 PCI in it. So yes, it will work!
I got the PCI FX5500 running on a Dell Dimension 2400 with 2.56GHz Pentium 4, i call it the super slug 😂😂 , runs far cry, serious sam, even gta vice city is playable, for how much flak this card gets it honestly really surprised me , driver with XP that works is 91.8 something, it comes up as a beta driver but seems to work flawlessly with games around 95-05
wait dont you mean 6200 GT?
1:12 I guess these graphics cards have East Germany in their memories
Aah I got exact same 2 PCI cards for my PCI only (i810) windows 98 rig. but unfortunately fx5500 didn't work without an AGP slot! So stuck with 6200 with driver version 81.85 (most stable) Many games work but I couldn't get NFS Porsche unleashed working :( hoping to change to a radeon 9200 128 bit version and see.
Chanaka Alahakoon Thanks for the driver version, will keep that in mind!
Welcome! Only few driver versions to play around anyway :( So I agree with you! maybe its suited for an early windows XP rig with PCI only MOBO!
Would an FX5500 work for Win98 retro gaming? I found an AGP one for 8€
Absolutely! The FX range is a good choice as it's compatible with the older games supporting palatalised textures and table fog.
@@philscomputerlab I have an FX 5200 closer to me and cheaper, for 5€... I'm highly doubting between both
One ot the selling point with nvivda 6200 were how it performed in Doom 3 - but the cards were really bad compared to the older generation in about everything except video ram
5:36 game?
What os are u using
Windows XP!
PhilsComputerLab i use it too but how did you get the green theme