Ammo Evaluation: Malaysian L2A2 7.62x51mm
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The Malaysian factory SMOE (Syarikat Malaysia Explosives Ltd) is the only ammunition producer in Malaysia, and produces a variety of calibers for small arms and light weapons. The factory was established in 1969 with the partnership of Oerlikon and Dynamit Nobel, and became wholly owned by the Malaysian government in 1974. Today we are examining their L2A2 designated 7.62x51mm ammo. This was imported into the US packaged in both .50 caliber cans (540 rounds per) and .30 caliber cans (300 rounds per). Within the cans the ammo is packaged in both 20-round and 40-round brown cardboard boxes. Observed dates for this ammunition include the late 1970s through mid 1980s.
Velocity:
I tested velocity using a 7.62x51mm converted Israeli K98k Mauser rifle (barrel length 23.4 inches). Measurements were taken at 10 feet from the muzzle, with a sample size of 15 rounds fired. I found an average velocity of 2702 fps, extreme spread of 60 fps (max 2727, min 2667), and standard deviation of 19.37 fps. None of the rounds exhibited any unusual behavior when fired. Note that while this velocity is below the US specification for M80 ball (2750 +/- 30 fps) it is squarely on the British specification for L2A2 (2700 +/- 30 fps).
Bullets:
I tested the weight of 10 bullets using a calibrated Lyman electronic scale. I found an average weight of 146.2 grains, extreme spread of 1.5 grains (max 145.2 gr, min 146.7 gr), and standard deviation of 0.41 grains. Bullet construction is boattail with an open base, lead core, and bimetal jacket (these bullets do attract a magnet).
Primers are non-corrosive Berdan.
Raw data:
Velocities (fps): 2707, 2712, 2677, 2698, 2711, 2702, 2704, 2726, 2674, 2702, 2667, 2678, 2718, 2721, 2727
Bullet weights (grains): 146.0, 145.2, 146.5, 146.1, 146.5, 146.3, 146.1, 146.7, 146.1, 146.1
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Only the most adorable of surplus ammo comes as standard gift wrapped with pink bows.
The tactical pink are good for seeing it on field if you drop it. Don't drop anything in military especially in Malaysia. You don't want to get smoke for it.
Too bad it ain't HPHT.
what else could you expect from the (s)Moe factory XD
Super kawaii
should've published it on valentine's day
I really like that "Forgotten Weapons" includes now "Forgotten Ammo".
True lol
As of recently there's also the r/ForgottenCalibers subreddit
At least you gave a little bit of basic data
I thought I was having a stroke
an Israeli rifle shooting Malaysian ammo, this is going to go places
Yeah. Seems very out of place knowing how Malaysia and Israel relationship right now.
Your profile picture sums up this combination perfectly.
Funny though.
Malaysian ammo isreali rifle nazi era designed rifle
Because a German-Israeli K98k isn't weird enough
You gotta read the chrono output with a Paul Harrell voice... Let's crunch the numbers
Dose it really matter how you read the chronograph? You be the judge.
@@theJellyjoker I wanted to downvote your comment after the first half, but the second part, not bad at all.
Don't forget, you also have to read the chronograph screen from 30 yards away.
@VT Concerned Citizen ....only due to the Shatneresque pauses....
Lol. My first thought. But that's a good thing.
i used this stuff years ago in a DSA FAL and a G3 clone and found it to be absolutely fantastic ammunition. an added bonus is the 30 cal ammo can has no shortage of uses once the ammunition is gone.
Wow. That's cool to hear. Is it as reliable as any American made ammo since I've had shoot the 5.56 ammo made by the same company and its quite reliable no hangfire or any light strikes whatsoever. I've never shoot using any American specs ammo during my training in Malaysia so glad that I heard it's good from someone outside my country.
@@zuhailishufller8046 the reliability was 100% and after shooting through 4 cans or 600 rounds i had no issues of any kind.
Just wondering how these ammo got out of the country.
@@amiosman , probably surplus army old stocks. rather than destroying the old ammo, better sell it in international market.
Actually decent ammo. And this time Ian did not have to crack a rifle stock to test the rounds, now that is a welcome bonus.
FYI: These also came packaged in 2000 round wooden ammo cases, filled with 200 round plastic battle packs. (1970's production) I purchased two of those back in the early 1990's at a gun show. Just opened the last case recently and still shoots very well.
Me too ! Mine came in striper clips for my enfield 308 ...1969 on the battle packs (320 count). I have yet to try it. Thanks
that's badass
Hai Ian. Your Malaysian fan here 😄
Same hahah 🤣🤣🤣
Malaysian +1 ;)
GANYANG MALAYSIA!
It's sad that most Malaysians will never come into contact with this stuff in general, I hear they have stupidly restrictive laws.
@@anionleader, the easiest way you could is to sign up with the territorial army.
Most gun clubs shoot .22LR afaik.
Why do I get so much enjoyment from just listening to someone else talk about bullets
Greetings from Malaysia Ian!
Never clicked on a video so fast before and I’m glad our Malaysian ammo holds up well.
I usually run SME 12 gauge and 9mm and have rarely ran into problems regarding ammunition.
Don’t suppose you could come to Malaysia to cover the Berapi or Malinnov M1P?
Let's get more people to support him on Patreon. Who knows, that could happen someday.
Don't know if there's even a chance you'll see this but I'll try anyway, how would one go about getting into shooting in Malaysia? Do I need to have law enforcement/military background or have a license/permit for firearms? Is it even allowed for normal civilians to go to a shooting range for recreational shooting?
@@helicocktor yes you do need a license to own a gun, and most ranges in Malaysia are a gun club. But as far as I know, shooting on range without a license is fine
You nailed the pronunciation of syarikat Ian😊.
His guess for its meaning is bullseye as well
Yeah spot on for his guess on the meaning.
Is that a loan word from Arabic? Cause in Arabic company would be sharikat in that context.
@@Jeremy0459 Why you might be right, since the malay language uses a lot of loan words from Arabic.
@@MisterSiza78 Ah cool, I know nothing about Malay and only a little Arabic, but cool to know.
Feels kinda weird but proud to see Forgotten Weapons doing a video on something from my country.
He's done a number of videos featuring our country. The De Lisle carbine, the Beretta AR70, the XM8, to name a few.
The Malaysians had plenty of G3s and some British and Australian L1A1 SLRs along with other 7.62mm NATO machineguns. Their ammo did work despite the dark brass. I ran it through my M1A/M14 and British SLR with no issues of light strikes.
> Malaysian ammo
> Use Israeli gun to test
Sorry, my irony meter just exploded.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
and that's an Israeli Mauser to be more specific
...which was designed in Germany and was shot by an American in the United States.
Boom. Off the charts.
the gum of supreme combination felony
This video could have used some more basic data here
At first I thought I accidentally hit back on the video.
He left a couple bloopers in
Was just typing that
@rwsthedemonking 7:13 7:22 7:29
@rwsthedemonking the point is that he repeated the same information twice, likely because he made a mistake and wanted a second-take but forgot to edit it properly. It's just humorous so people are pointing it out
As an interesting side trail, would you consider an episode on the history and variety of ammo containers? It seems the metal hinged can is the Western standard, and the sealed 'sardine tin' is Russian sphere. I'm sure that's a gross oversimplification, but a discussion would be fascinating.
Very interested
More comments get this more attention!! I wanna see that
Interested!
I want to know why Comrades put ammunition in sardine cans!
@@nicholaspatton5590 It's cheaper, and its sealed from water and other oxidizing agents. I think it's pretty self explanatory and probably doesn't bear further discussion.
Gasp! An editing snafu! Weird to see you just roll right into a repeated sentence. I always get frustrated when I have to do that and take a moment to start again.
If these where made in the north of Malaysia it explains the corrosion it's right in the middle of the monsoon season.
Yeah high moisture during monsoon seasons. It will be bad if it's kept near the seashore.
SMEO that made that ammo was located at Selangor state in the middle of peninsular, so not in the north fyi
its high humidity ALL of the time in Malaysia, it's the tropics. They have climate control in their factories and those rounds went bang so it's not that.
@@anonymous2513456 blame the paper. It looks like plain coarse pulp, no additives. That would be carrying a lot of moisture into the can, and doesn't look like it had anything added to it to outgas or control oxygen.
@@anonymous2513456 of course purely esthetics.
I ran this ammo in a G3, FAL and M1A. It was flawless and relatively clean burning. It was also very accurate. I just wish I would have been able to purchase more.
So not only it seems like very good ammunition, but is still in a quite good shape. And the pink wrapper looks adorable :D
As a Malaysian, I am so happy when this one came out.
@Kes Mangkuk I'm pretty sure we had M14s back in the communist insurgency days
@Kes Mangkuk also our special forces units have AWM rifles using 7.62
@Kes Mangkuk
We used FN SCAR-H which uses that 7.62x51mm NATO round. Pasukan Gerakan Khas (PGK) and Unit Gempur Marin (UNGERIN) use it according to this Wikipedia link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR#Users
@kesmangkuk1407 the SLR / FN FAL 7.62 Rifle. Used in the Insurgency Era. Until replaced by the M-16A1
@kesmangkuk1407 and HK11A1 LMG which were still in use, in limited numbers
Hello from Malaysia Ian!❤️
As a Malaysian viewer, I wasn't expecting this.
I really want to get a gun here without having to move elsewhere.
@@b3nl555 same here. Technically you can, but there is so much hoops to jump through and rules to follow it's not worth it unless you really need it.
Not advertised in public sir
@@_Wiseguy7 Well, for me, it's for self defense and recreational sport. I'm not that good at speaking Malay so hopefully my state's Chief of Police accepts an application written in English or my Malay is fluent enough by the time I'm 18+.
@@b3nl555 I'm sure you've done your homework on this already but to get a permit can take months of not years. As for a self defence angle, as far as I know they only really allow it if your occupation requires it, like if you're an armed security guard or plantation/estate worker in the boonies where there are lots of wild animals. Also, if you are a criminal lawyer, IIRC you can conceal carry with a permit.
That's just getting a permit, there's more hoops to jump through when it comes to owning and operating them. For one, the guns themselves agree all stupid expensive. The last I checked, a simple 9mm Glock costs upward of RM20k. Then there's the mandatory training with the police or at the local range every 6 months.
Then comes the ammo. The police gives you a certain amount of ammo for your consumption, in order to get more you have to *return your empty casings*. Then they will replenish how many you've fired. You're screwed if you lose the spent casing because you're not getting it back.
Yup, syarikat does mean company. And yes, they are our only munitions company.
Mat Sabu called. He wants his rounds back.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🎤 flying across the sea.
Who needs 7.62x51mm NATO when you can just throw a mic down range? 😁
CIS!
Lmao made my day.
@@edlenorgaeron8003 MARI KITA BANGUN!
Look at all my Malaysians
Im really glad this is a series. This is much needed in the internet
2:50 - Lefty. I see how you manipulate the bolt. Nice. I learn nerdy things. And now I learned something practical from you. Thanks.
Saw some of this Malaysian 7.62×51 for sale and was wondering about it. Thanks for reviewing. 👍
I cannot get over the fact of how nice the Mauser action sounds even with FWs average sound quality, could have left the full reloading cycle in IMHO :), funny how the bloopers at 7:28 were left in though.
I bought a ton of this when it was ~33cpr. No regrets!
I've been running this very consistently out of my Scar17S for a couple years now, it's great for the price.
Actually really cool to have you do an ammo review!
Never had a problem with this ammo! Reliable military ball ammo. Runs great in AR10. Love these ammunition videos, pease keep doing them!
I haven't gotten to the crate of this I ordered, yet. Really happy to see your test, I may pick up some more
I just picked up some of this stuff. Glad to hear its not garbage. Ian, please keep these ammo reviews coming. Also if possible maybe include some basic accuracy testing in future ammo evaluation videos.
Interesting bimodal distribution on those velocities. About 2/3rds arodun 2705, and the other third around 2670. Very little in between.
Maybe they had two or three loading machines (two set calibrated nearly indentically, one a very tiny bit off), running next to each other feeding the same packaging line.
Maybe the velocity spread is related to bullet weight, it would be nice to see if the bullet weights fall into similar sized groups (2/3 lighter, 1/3 heavier).
If it´s not the bullet weights, I wonder if the cases could be distinguished, different machines may leave different microscopic scratches on case or bullet or a vey slight difference in cartridge length.
German-Israel Mauser using 7,62 NATO made in Malysia? Blasphemy!
Shot by an American in the United States.
Oh yes.
*Mr Worldwide*
I'm Malaysian
I've had good success with this ammo in my BM59 and FR8, it's g2g imo. Thanks Ian!
I run this and Hirtenberger in my BM59, flawless performance.
It's such a relief to see the test-Mauser survive the test!
Thank you , Ian .
I find these ammo reviews to be super interesting. It might be interesting to run this test with cheap, commercially produced ammunition such as TulAmmo. The comparison could be interesting, and for a lot shooters, especially casual ones, I think this kind of information would be useful.
neat, Malaysian viewer here. Never knew we produced our own ammunition, I always thought we got our ammo from foreign surplus suppliers.
Really? We've been making our own gun for years now.
It wouldn't make sense if we don't produce our own ammunition since we are an industrialized nation.
We also make guns to by the way. Most of it are under licence. Now we had producing M4 to replace the AUG Styer.
The M4A1, specifically.
Yes spot on.
Its nice to see a part of a nation's firearms history but its really nice to see a part of uour own nation's firearms history
Holy crap....that ammo was made a few days before I was born.
Hopefully, it's held up better than I have lol.
good video appreciate the effort in producing it
Nicely preserved for a 1981 case (referring to that box type) i've seen ones sealed, but having lost seal.
Very interesting Ian about 7.62x51mm. Thanks for the knowledge Sir
Thank you for another useful and informative video.
Ian’s like the Steve1989 of surplus ammunition now. I would love to see some real old stuff being opened and shot. It’s oddly satisfying.
very interesting, enjoying the growing material in your line of ammunition review. i would like to see how the bullets perform, breaking them on steel in closeup or a ballistic jell. great source of information
I bought 5 cans of this, it's great stuff in my AR10. Some cans the ammo looks brand new and some (which looked to have been previously opened) look real gnarly, but still shoot great. Im glad I bought a bunch when it was around, I knew more sad ammo days were coming.
Thanks for the video and I was thinking of buying some of this later on but after this video I’m pretty sure it’ll all be gone by then
Ian, these ammo were best used with L1A1 rifle, 7.62 variant of Bren Gun, M60 and FN Mag. Works with G3 too.
Damn but even after almost 20 years I still miss my L1A1 SLR
There was also a good bit of Malaysian 5.56x41 on the market years ago. 40rd boxes IIRC. It too was good stuff!
You need to run it in a semi auto not a bolt action in order to accurately compare the ammunition to NATO rounds because those are for the most part used in automatic and semi auto guns
What I was thinking. A good 7.62 bolt action rifle shouldn't have much trouble as long as it has a primer and powder.
I think it's less risky this way
nice one ian
This stuff grouped massively better for me out of semi autos than Hirtenberg ammo.
I bought two 900 rd. cases. They were from 80' and 81' . Packaged Three 300 rd ammo boxes per. case and the ammo inside is in way better condition then the stuff you received. The stuff I have looks near new. However, I did buy a 300 rd. can from sportsmans guide that was fairly tarnished and I shot it up. The can had about 20 rds.that did not go off first strike and 6 that would not fire at all. I ran through a box of 20 out of the 900 case with no misfires. Good luck.
nice and timely
thanks!
I went through three 300rd cans and one of the bigger 540rd cans of this stuff. I'm down to my last 300rd can as we speak. Lower pressure than usual. Relatively gentle. Doesn't cycle my .308 Garand reliably. Everything else loves it. Not super accurate, but in everything but the persnickety Garand, it's been 100% reliable.
I did get one 300rd can where the ammo was super gross and corroded, and my younger brother's FAL did not get along with that. The cans generally come in varying degrees of nice to corroded, but every one with the exception of the one with the corroded rounds had a good airseal and a strong fishy smell like you'd expect from long-sealed surplus equipment.
Honestly, I don't think we're ever gonna see this stuff again and it bums me out, because it's very good ammo for the price.
Ran a whole crate of this stuff through my M1A before. Not the best ammo for it but no issues whatsoever. good ammo for the price.
Who here is from Malaysia? Proud to see a gun we designed and made on our own! Malaysia Boleh!
I ordered some of this awhile ago from buds gun shop. They sent me a can that looked like a tank ran over it and one box at the bottom was too rusty/damaged to use. They wouldn’t take it back. Some of the other rounds had some slight corrosion i tumbled them and they were good to go. Only one round was a dud. My m14 ate the rest up. Good practice ammo for high power. Just kinda angry buds would treat a customer like that and send a damaged can so I couldn’t use some of it.
How did you tumble them? My only thought is a dryer but that does not sound right, nor safe.
Nicholas Patton i have a lyman turbo tumbler. I dry tumble everything. I put them in a dry corncob media and my Tumbler is very gentle it doesn’t throw stuff around. It was plenty safe enough for live cartridges, they came out shining. My tumbler really just vibrates the media around the cartridges. The cartridges barely moved so it’s very safe. It’s not one of those spinning loud violet tumblers you see people use when they wet tumble stuff. I never do that because it’s unnecessary. I even do the same thing for black powder 45-70 and 45 colt and they come out shining. If people say you need to wet tumble stuff they are a liar because I dry tumble black powder used cartridges and they come out brand new looking.
I really enjoy these ammunition reviews. While I tend to stick with Hirtenberger, it’s nice to know what else is out there and if it’s good or bad.
Thank you I bought 600 rounds because of the price. I was a bit nervous mines feb 1982. I hope it runs good in my AR-10
Ran good in my PSA PA10, and a standard FAL
I was hoping ian would do a video on this as I bought on of the .50 Cal cans of this. Great timing! Wonder if he could also find some Yugo 1950s surplus 8mm to test.
I've been wondering if you'd do a review of this stuff! Picked up 900 rounds last year and have been happy with it.
I've been shooting this out of my pa-10 for a while and it shoots about 1.5 moa in my pa-10 which is a miracle.
Great review as always. Would it be possible to review a top notch name brand fancy ammo for comparison?
Bro, my father used to work at this company during this period
Malaysia mempunyai 2 syarikat pengeluar peluru
1. Sg buluh
2. Shah alam
Malah timah malaysia digunakan bg perang dunia ke2 membantu pihak berikat mengalahkan jerman bg pembuatan peluru
Back in the mid 90s, I bought 820 rounds of Malaysian 5.56 M195 ball for shits and giggles. I bought in a place called B&B sales in Westminster Ca. I took it out to shoot a week later, it was terrible! Bent casings, corrosion around the primers etc. I didn't even shoot it! I ended up selling itwarts and all at a Great Western Gun Show in Pomona a few weeks later...
Looks like the quality of the 7.62 is so so too.
As usual, Malaysian ammo box are the hardest one to be opened.
I had an issue with my Galil ACE ripping the rim off the round when trying to eject and then casing would get stuck in the chamber, happened maybe 1 in every 30 rounds at least.
I bought a couple cans of FN made 5.56 ss109 ammo that came with the lead sealed wire. I feel stupid watching how easy Ian twisted it off while remembering what it took me to cut mine off.
Fireing off rounds through the chrono calling out the numbers, channeling his inner Paul Harrell...
I will state that these hard primers do cause issues in some semiautomatic rifles. Also if you plan on shooting this ammo in a semi-auto an adjustable gas block is pretty necessary for reliable function of the weapon.
Hey i just bought this for my hk 91
Wow, never know ammo i been lugging around fking swap in nowhere jungle
Been feature inside my fav channel !
Ahh, those good old days when im not doing something stupid with those ammo yet
thia ammo was made in december of 1981,,,,the same month/year i was married.
I see the ammo has lasted longer than my marriage.
(for those interested,,,,,,,6 yrs,49 days)
@@circleofsorrow4583 I was the same until I got my at308.
lol i was barely born when this stuff was made
Zowie mama, that's a spicy comment
But hey who's counting right
No one cares, get therapy.
I found your video very interesting! I have exactly the same ammunition manufactured in 1986. It will not fire through my M1A, all click no bang. At this point, I thought it was the rifle. I purchased several boxes of brand new ammo at the gun range and the weapon worked flawlessly. I ran another magazine of the Malaysia, Ammo, and nothing. I went as far to replace the fire control system in my M1 and still it will not fire that Malaysia Ammo. Very frustrating.
You do know you can use the 8mm Mauser stripper clips for your 30.06 and your .308 (7.62x51), they all run a very close head size. I use them for my 30.06 and .308
I have a 500 round can of the stuff. It runs fine in my M1a, as well as my friend’s.
I know this is total nerd stuff, but i really enjoy these ammo review videos.
Ian is firing Hislaysia!
Pretty cool...not sure I've ever seen date codes down to the month on headstamps before.
As soon as i saw Malaysian on the title, i clicked/tapped on this video
Also i never knew they did something.
Malaysia do a lot of things they hardly tell the public about.
@@raffica3579 I'm fairly sure that's how a lot of governments work
@@ArcturusOTE Can't really blame them though.
It's not something that's necessary for the people to know.
@@ArcturusOTE yeah. Plus we have one of the strictest gun law where no one can own a gun even an airsoft. Only a VIP can carry a gun but with super strict restrictions. So gun culture are basically none existent in Malaysia.
Just hope that will change one day.
That's my country!
You’d want the cans nice and hermetically sealed in a humid country like Malaysia. It will last longer.
Yup you said it right SME = syarikat Malaysia explosive limited
L2a2 is great ammo
I'd like to see some Malaysian 5.56
Just messed up my reloading dream with those Berdan primers. All that pretty brass and nothing to do with them.
I remember collecting spent brass at my local range and came across some Berdan primed .308. Did not know it until I was depriming and it snapped the tip on my depriming/resizing die. What a waste of good brass.
Good morning from NY, the northern part that is.
So Uptate NY then?
It's a beautiful day in central New York. Greetings from Cuse.
2:30 Gun Jesus does his Paul Harrell impression.
hope you can introduce more Malaysian weapons
If more people supported him on Patreon, maybe one day he could fly to Malaysia and do it. Hopefully.
Really? You wanna see that gun on this channel for the whole world to see?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VB_Berapi_LP06