The power gains on this engine are effortless. Throttle body, lower pulley, e85 and headers. Over 200rwhp. Unbelievable. Can’t wait for the 1,000 rwhp video
VMP always make everything look so easy. Justin's team is a bunch of auto tech wizards. The VMP team truly has a serious talent for working on coyote motors. ☠☠☠
Man...that jump in hp from the timing adj is just amazing. The fkn fun you all must be having at a job you love, you guys are blessed!! I am addicted to watching the progress of this '17 GT 5.2 Predator swap! Keep the content coming!!
Great video guys!...Is the 5.2L Predator Ford engine now available through FORD Performance?...Also, will it work with the 10sp 10R80 Auto Trans or Only the 7sp DCT?...Thanks and God Bless America! 😇
Nice work! It's cool to see people that know what they are doing instead of the usual you tuber who put a wide body kit on a Supra and thinks they cured cancer.....subbed!
So I’m not complaining about the swap, it’s very cool and unique and I’m sure very good, why did you choose this car? Was the motor in it blown up? Or were you just wanting a change?
Nice i want to know more about the cooling. Us road course fellas have to work hard to remove heat. The vmp triple pass for my gt 500 is the bomb every bit helps.
Weird ford was saying how these cams were blower specific. Those cams are identical to voodoo cams with the exception of firing for a cross plane. Cool project so far.
Many reasons why, the engine, the transmission, the way it's built to perform, the biggest reason here as mentioned is the trans, it's limit is 650 torque, Ford compensated for that and made it as high as possible while leaving some wiggle room for more abuse and more power, and it doesn't need to be overpowered with torque since what you want is to get the car moving with that low end torque to get up to speed quickly, but after that the Horsepower is what will do all the real work of pushing the car harder, which it does, Ford has the highest Horsepower car in it's class at the moment based on it's competition, and that is important, not just for bragging rights but overall performance especially with the way the car is.
Ford had to tweak the tuning to make sure the torque didn't exceed the factory torque rating of the transmission which if I'm not mistaken is 650 pound feet of torque
TVS superchargers develop boost quicker than twin screws of similar size and blower rpm. The displacement to blower size compared to a coyote with giant twin screw 2.9 to 3.6L means the supercharger spins faster from the get go so torque comes on sooner. Having lower compression allowing for even more blower speed again brings boost on sooner. The big twin screws being spun slowly aren’t in their efficiency window until the top of the rev range. They’re typically ran on low boost because of high compression further reducing their efficiency. TVS blowers sing at 11-14lbs of boost while twin screws prefer 15-20lbs of boost. That also depends on what PR the twin screw was designed for. KBs like stupid high boost to hit their window.
Chris Carson the coyote or predator has more stroke than a hellcat while a predator is only 1 thousands of a inch shorter than a GM GenV. The coyote is only a few thousands lower. Fords have a lower rod ratio also. These engines have more valve surface area ie flow potential along with a much lighter valve train allowing for a 7-8k rev. The valves are around nearly half the weight of a OHV engine. Even titanium still doesn’t come close in a OHV configuration. This is further aided by fully independent VVT with a much larger sweep. If you locked these cams in their max power position the engine would lope like hell. Their advertised duration numbers are performance cam territory for larger V8 engines and run as much lift as a typical push rod engine. If you look at the stresses these things endure I think they’re even more impressive in my opinion.
What i noticed is that on the third run the torque hung in a lot better than on the second run. Pretty impressive so far. Be good when you get your own GT500 so we can see how the stock fuel system holds up over the system in the track attack.
The GT500 chasis should also have a better overall design to fit the engine, especially when it comes to cooling, this chasis will overall show later on heavy heat soak.
Ford has all the pieces to destroy the Ram TRX once it comes out. Maybe as a last hoorah they'll unveil the Predator powered Raptor when this generation ends.
@@MrDavidelliottjr dct is faster for sure but there set up is lighter without dct and I'm sure they don't have the cooling to track race it hence why I would like to see comparison with the same exact setup just the different trans. No one could ever shift as fast as a dct but that dct so far because nobody can unlock it yet is not doing so good on launches because it's slipping the clutches for traction but once it gets going theres nothing like them dcts
Technically no. Only when you turn up the boost it starts to become a problem. Stock there's no issues. So if you're wondering if it's a design problem. That's not the case.
Isn't that a dyno misrepresentation when a 2.28 you are a full throttle then get off and stab the gas pedal immediately that will make the dyno read higher hp than actual ? Or does the car just rev up when getting off the pedal ? I could be wrong ! But watch the rear of the car at full throttle it tucks then rises after pull the then when tucks again from throttle input. That's got to be worth 30-50 hp of false hp. I'm impressed by the new GT500, but keep it real !
Ford should have done a 6l dohc This is a engine that has been for sale at Ford racing for years now the 5.2 Bigger bore longer stroke is what's needed
@@crownvictorialifestyle4421 of course lol i been sayin the same thing.There is no way in hell this car should have the same engine as another mustang no matter if it fpc or cpc
jon doe where are you from Canada Russia this is America we don't want no v6 Ford put the v6 in the ford GT and it didn't do too well I rather have a V8 platform with a longer stroke and a big bore good breathing 4v heads simple as that 8 Pistons make more power than 6 Pistons think about it they always say a engine is a air pump so if you can pump more air in 8 cylinders vs 6 cylinders the conclusion is 8 cylinders is better than 6 fyi Point number 2 how reliable is the EcoBoost how many issues are they going through with that platform have you ever tried to change a water pump on those They are having issues left and right By a man with balls No some mamas boy who wants a 6banger with a exhaust note that sounds like 100 honey beez V8 all-day pal
How come they never say what mpg these things are getting, not saying mpg is an important measurement, but i think it would be a dope ass flex going , ha my car makes 200 more hp than your aaand gets better has mileage
Yes this engine will put out more horsepower no it will not do it reliably , just simply bolting on power can be done to any engine doesn’t mean that it will survive in the real world, I will confirm this with one of your later videos were the engine blows up because it will happen a certain as the sun rises.😂 I’ll be waiting for the video
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The power gains on this engine are effortless. Throttle body, lower pulley, e85 and headers. Over 200rwhp. Unbelievable. Can’t wait for the 1,000 rwhp video
VMP
You’re making us proud s550 Gt owners proud. Great job guys keep content coming on that bad ass Gt mustang
Stay tuned...
VMP always make everything look so easy. Justin's team is a bunch of auto tech wizards. The VMP team truly has a serious talent for working on coyote motors. ☠☠☠
Love everything about this car.. especially the stick
1 of the Best Ford engines ever made. Looks Great on the Power
Best predator content out there so far
Man...that jump in hp from the timing adj is just amazing. The fkn fun you all must be having at a job you love, you guys are blessed!! I am addicted to watching the progress of this '17 GT 5.2 Predator swap! Keep the content coming!!
thank you for the update. This is awesome news for Ford. Dodge (I am a fan) and GMC have some catching up.
Great video guys!...Is the 5.2L Predator Ford engine now available through FORD Performance?...Also, will it work with the 10sp 10R80 Auto Trans or Only the 7sp DCT?...Thanks and God Bless America! 😇
Nice work! It's cool to see people that know what they are doing instead of the usual you tuber who put a wide body kit on a Supra and thinks they cured cancer.....subbed!
VMP going to offer predator swaps for 17 GTs? I’d be down for it!
Great work! Big power!
More to come...
Are we going to get some "VCT kicked in, yo" memes? Excellent work, VMP! Oh, and I like the paint job on that car. Looks serious and Murica.
I'm really curious how the cooling compares to a 5.2L Aluminator with your Odin blower. You guys are running a similar blow up style.
What kind of windshield wash are you running ?
Rain x🤣
@@MrDavidelliottjr NoName President choice (y)
So I’m not complaining about the swap, it’s very cool and unique and I’m sure very good, why did you choose this car? Was the motor in it blown up? Or were you just wanting a change?
how much difference is it to put the predator engine into a 2013 Ford F 150. could it realistically be done
dont f150s come with coyote engines already? the predator is a variant of the coyote so my guess is it should.
Chebby camp grabbing toasters and taking baths after this video....ouch
Damn, I wonder how the 5.2 would stack up in a 10r80 modified to handle it?
Needs to be in the Raptor
Nice i want to know more about the cooling. Us road course fellas have to work hard to remove heat. The vmp triple pass for my gt 500 is the bomb every bit helps.
Great video awesome R&D
Thanks!
This is great to see..! I hope that Ford is keeping an open eye to what VMP is doing , so Ford can keep improving .....!!
VMP is freakin Stout!!
Good stuff brothers! Keep up the experimenting with this beautiful engine! Such a sexy-sounding engine
Gosh that engines makes power like whatever
Damn! That was awesome! You guys are insane!!! 👍🏼👍🏼
Weird ford was saying how these cams were blower specific. Those cams are identical to voodoo cams with the exception of firing for a cross plane. Cool project so far.
Delivering great content and products, can’t wait to buy my blower from y’all soon !
How much would this cost to have done? Or to have the engine put in a 2018gt with the 10r80
OMG! Very impressive. Are you going to track it? I just recently saw a 9.74 / 144 1/4 mi. No drag radials! Think you can beat it? :-)
Thinking about dropping this into my Sn95
Need new talking guys. The crenge. Level is high with you 2.🤣✌ ps.vmp blower is bad ass
They adapted ... VMP 105 MM THROTTLE BODY FOR DODGE HELLCAT 6.2 to Ford GT500?
Why do these new Gt500’s have so much low torque numbers?
Many reasons why, the engine, the transmission, the way it's built to perform, the biggest reason here as mentioned is the trans, it's limit is 650 torque, Ford compensated for that and made it as high as possible while leaving some wiggle room for more abuse and more power, and it doesn't need to be overpowered with torque since what you want is to get the car moving with that low end torque to get up to speed quickly, but after that the Horsepower is what will do all the real work of pushing the car harder, which it does, Ford has the highest Horsepower car in it's class at the moment based on it's competition, and that is important, not just for bragging rights but overall performance especially with the way the car is.
Dohc High Revving engines tend to have a shorter stroke compared to a pushrod sub 7000 rpm v8.
Ford had to tweak the tuning to make sure the torque didn't exceed the factory torque rating of the transmission which if I'm not mistaken is 650 pound feet of torque
TVS superchargers develop boost quicker than twin screws of similar size and blower rpm. The displacement to blower size compared to a coyote with giant twin screw 2.9 to 3.6L means the supercharger spins faster from the get go so torque comes on sooner. Having lower compression allowing for even more blower speed again brings boost on sooner. The big twin screws being spun slowly aren’t in their efficiency window until the top of the rev range. They’re typically ran on low boost because of high compression further reducing their efficiency. TVS blowers sing at 11-14lbs of boost while twin screws prefer 15-20lbs of boost. That also depends on what PR the twin screw was designed for. KBs like stupid high boost to hit their window.
Chris Carson the coyote or predator has more stroke than a hellcat while a predator is only 1 thousands of a inch shorter than a GM GenV. The coyote is only a few thousands lower. Fords have a lower rod ratio also. These engines have more valve surface area ie flow potential along with a much lighter valve train allowing for a 7-8k rev. The valves are around nearly half the weight of a OHV engine. Even titanium still doesn’t come close in a OHV configuration. This is further aided by fully independent VVT with a much larger sweep. If you locked these cams in their max power position the engine would lope like hell. Their advertised duration numbers are performance cam territory for larger V8 engines and run as much lift as a typical push rod engine. If you look at the stresses these things endure I think they’re even more impressive in my opinion.
What trans is in this 10r80 or 6speed?
BADHEMI 300s 6 speed
What i noticed is that on the third run the torque hung in a lot better than on the second run. Pretty impressive so far. Be good when you get your own GT500 so we can see how the stock fuel system holds up over the system in the track attack.
The GT500 chasis should also have a better overall design to fit the engine, especially when it comes to cooling, this chasis will overall show later on heavy heat soak.
Good job guys now what would this cost 2 put in my car cuz I like it
Ok. Guys imagine this predator engine in a new body style Raptor, now that would be an amazing truck. Sign me up.
Same here, but they would definitely have to upgrade the rest of the drive train for sure.
Ford has all the pieces to destroy the Ram TRX once it comes out. Maybe as a last hoorah they'll unveil the Predator powered Raptor when this generation ends.
I want to see the vmp manual same set up quarter mile vs dct
Dct way faster
@@MrDavidelliottjr dct is faster for sure but there set up is lighter without dct and I'm sure they don't have the cooling to track race it hence why I would like to see comparison with the same exact setup just the different trans. No one could ever shift as fast as a dct but that dct so far because nobody can unlock it yet is not doing so good on launches because it's slipping the clutches for traction but once it gets going theres nothing like them dcts
Just want to see some 1/4 mile #'s for this thing.
Is the hood on this car a GT350 style hood with a custom glass window?
That is accurate. At the time this car was built, Cervini's built this custom hood for us to display the supercharger for SEMA.
@@VMPPerformanceTV it looks really good! Thank you for confirming.
@@a_zula1 no problem!
So - you are stating that the factory 2020 GT500 is having cooling problems from the factory - please answer this ASAP - thanks ...?
Technically no. Only when you turn up the boost it starts to become a problem. Stock there's no issues. So if you're wondering if it's a design problem. That's not the case.
I want to see Odin put on top of this predator engine and hear it scream bald eagles.
Well done gentlemen 👍🏻
Can the 5.8 trinity be swapped in a 14 gt?
great video
I would like to see a 5.8L swaped 2020 Mustang GT500
Isn't that a dyno misrepresentation when a 2.28 you are a full throttle then get off and stab the gas pedal immediately that will make the dyno read higher hp than actual ? Or does the car just rev up when getting off the pedal ? I could be wrong ! But watch the rear of the car at full throttle it
tucks then rises after pull the then when tucks again from throttle input. That's got to be worth 30-50 hp of false hp. I'm impressed by the new GT500, but keep it real !
Dyno pulls are only taken in one gear when recording is activated. Any type of on/off activity would show up on the graph as a lid on hp when lifting.
Crazy power.
Damn it that's aweseome!
Did you leave the predator injectors on it or did you swap them out?
They couldn't make 900whp without changing injectors on E85.
Not to mention this motor with the stock boost couldn't run E85 without injectors either.
@@waynebollentin989 cheers. That's what I was expecting but I didn't hear them mention it
Impressive!👍👍
great video 🔥🤟 i wonder if they gonna start offering swap bundles 😏🤟🔥🙏
Imagine with the new 2.5 supercharger pulley on e90 with a pmas cold air and a port job. She'll be making all kinds of power
We'll find out soon!
The best sounding V8 of all time
What trans ? 10r80 ? Can it fit a Predator engine without modifications ?
MT-82. The bolt pattern on the block matches up.
So does the predator not have VCT from factory??
It does, when the cams are matched to the correct processor.
@@goodnoughperformance oh i see
My lawn mower engine just blew recently and now I’ve got just the perfect idea!💡
beast
Wow.
Bad ass
Ford should have done a 6l dohc
This is a engine that has been for sale at Ford racing for years now the 5.2
Bigger bore longer stroke is what's needed
I agree i aint want gt350 with a body kit and super charger still a dream car tho
I SEE SOMEONE IS PAYING ATTENTION.
Ran Ware of course
Thanks for paying attention to me 😁😉
@@crownvictorialifestyle4421 of course lol i been sayin the same thing.There is no way in hell this car should have the same engine as another mustang no matter if it fpc or cpc
jon doe where are you from Canada Russia this is America we don't want no v6
Ford put the v6 in the ford GT and it didn't do too well I rather have a V8 platform with a longer stroke and a big bore good breathing 4v heads simple as that
8 Pistons make more power than 6 Pistons think about it they always say a engine is a air pump so if you can pump more air in 8 cylinders vs 6 cylinders the conclusion is 8 cylinders is better than 6 fyi
Point number 2 how reliable is the EcoBoost how many issues are they going through with that platform have you ever tried to change a water pump on those
They are having issues left and right
By a man with balls
No some mamas boy who wants a 6banger with a exhaust note that sounds like 100 honey beez
V8 all-day pal
UNLIMITED POWER!
The torque doesn't seem too impressive until you realize it's making a minimum of 650ftlb at 3250rpm and carries it nearly to 7500rpm
Like to have this in my 98 sn95 cobra🤣🤣🤣
ive seen alot of people pull 710 rwhp bone stock
When will the upgraded intercoolers be released?
What do you guys think is the save rev limit can it do 8k safely?
Idk why people call the predator a coyote it’s way bigger than a 5.0 it’s a 5.8 I believe idk I don’t remember but it’s bigger than a 5.0
Can you make this into a kit for sale ?
No, we will not be offering this as a kit.
Boost temps got you bothered? Meth injection, guys. Do eeet!!
Y don't you guys try c85 in this monster.
Depends on the quality of the E85 how much power they could pick up. They could see as much as another 30-40hp more on C85.
I want it in my 15
😋😋
My 5.0 would Drag this Slow Shit!
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How come they never say what mpg these things are getting, not saying mpg is an important measurement, but i think it would be a dope ass flex going , ha my car makes 200 more hp than your aaand gets better has mileage
1000hp easy lol
Yes this engine will put out more horsepower no it will not do it reliably , just simply bolting on power can be done to any engine doesn’t mean that it will survive in the real world, I will confirm this with one of your later videos were the engine blows up because it will happen a certain as the sun rises.😂 I’ll be waiting for the video
Look everyone it's scotty the sissy. They are trying to find the limits of the motor and are not worried about your sensitive mangina!
FORD DONT LIKE THAT SHIT
Shelby does it for um!