Vanneker - From early numbers seen I don’t think the DCT drivetrain is seeing a 12% power loss. It appears the loss may be closer to 10%. That still means the engine is making around 900 HP with only a pulley swap, time and E 85. Incredible!!
@@danmyers9372 a t56 will sap some 14% as per factory rating. The dual clutch transmissions have more rotating mass than a traditional manual trans due to essentially having two separate gear-sets and clutches operating with one another all the time. This makes for a higher parasitic drag but makes for a more constant power delivery.
@@NatoriousGamePlay No, however knowing the parasitic drag of accessories/driveline components have been tested by their manufacturer as well as a plethora of personal testing. The manufacturer of the transmission states that at the rated max power, the transmission will consume 14% of peak horsepower @ the crank. If your arguing it's not something that can be tested and have an actual figure then check out a transmission Dyno where it inputs a fixed amount of torque and directly reads the output at almost any testable power level. That is how these figures are made.
@@madmod I'm not saying you are wrong, as I haven't checked a transmission dyno before, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that doesn't make much sense to me. Assuming everything but the engine remained the same, wouldn't the rest of the driveline consume the same amount of power (+/- a few hp) regardless of how much is sent through it? I mean, there shouldn't be any more friction, the fluids haven't changed, same drag, etc so it shouldn't really be different between stock and modified. If it's not spinning any faster, thicker fluids, heavy/lighter wheel and tire package, etc I see no reason for it to add drag as a percentage and not a fixed number.
Is the factory pulley a clutched pulley like the hellcat? If so will it mess up the supercharger snout like it dose on the hellcats if you don’t put a clutched pulley back on?
Hey @Palm Beach Dyno , love your videos and great content! Just a suggestion. Could you guys put the dyno graphs up in the video a different way? Sometimes it's difficult to see the graph on a TV from this angle (only really on mobile devices). Maybe just display peak numbers at the end. Thanks!
I worked on Porsche for more than 12 years and I NEVER used a power tool to "run the bolts down". I always used my fingers, I wanted to feel the bolt going down to know if there were any problems with the threads. Does it save time (time is money)? Maybe 10 seconds. Is it worth it? You'll find a bad thread after it's too late costing you lots of time. If you run it down by hand then you are 100% sure that all the threads are clear and the bolts are the correct size. Stop being lazy.
Because there is very little difference in power output. Having the hood open allows us to monitor things under the hood during the pull. For instance if we have a belt issue we will see it sooner. You can also hear things much better
I’ll be purchasing my tune from these guys .... it’s a little more then the Lund tune but I’ve beard good things about this shop and very curious !!!!! I have a 2013 GT500 would love me a PBD tune !!!!
Ken good to see you back in the driver's seat in regards to tuning, no offense to Rob but it seems like you are a shadow in the background. You started this whole deal and you need people to be aware of who you are and where you came from in the tuning world.
I asked him about hs background when I was down there, i was highly impressed and very happy i went with PBD even more so after learning his experience
@@IconicGT500 Today's world seems to be about the here and now, but to truly trust and respect someones opinion you need to know where they came from. Beautiful car you have there good luck with it.
We didn't want to make a mess when we drained the coolant. On the car we did after this, we just used a suction pump to pull the coolant out from the top and left the bumper on
The demon is junk..it's just a big engine. This new mustang is very impressive all the way around...this is coming from a Porsche GT3 owner. I'll get the chance to drive one in a few weeks..might need to make space in my garage, whereas the dodge would never even be considered
JoeyandLindsay demon would eat this car alive with small tuning. 🤣 stop crying about a car having a big engine, that’s like crying about a man having a bigger penis as if it’s bad. Maybe for you. 🥱 if you truly love cars you’d appreciate any car for what makes them special.
@@jayzor demon is not a comparison to this car demon is only a straight line car this car is just as fast in a straight line but let's put the demon on a road course and let's see what happens this car would dominate the demon is fast but there to totally different cars this car was built to do it all unlike the demon its just a drag queen.
Hey Ken, this is Nestor. Question on that pulley. So the stock pulley has a clutch, are they not making the after market pulleys the same way? If not, why?
Palm Beach Dyno - wondering how removing the clutch on the pulley might affect drive ability and especially the computers ability to pull power when needed to prevent wheelspin.
For that type of pulley, TQ those little bolts good idea. But that bling cnc piece being required sounds more like marketing, steel angle bracket would be way cheaper and same result. But cnc always looks pro. Nonetheless great job.
@@mathieulevasseur4082 all motors, seeing many increasing boost, more combustion heat, ring gap closing, breaking pistons, its easy to increase hp, but there is a price, at the shop my neighbor works customers must sign waver
That's why every other TVS 2650 blower on the market for the Mustang doesn't use a clutch pulley I guess. Those were designed to break. Roush, Edelbrock, Magnuson all designed their blower kits is partnership with Eaton completely wrong. Sounds about right. I'll call them all up to let them know to change it
@@PalmBeachDyno It's due to the nature of the DCT combo but I guess my ford engineer buddy doesn't know better. I am just saying what he told me boss He told me, to let y'all know how the internal shaft temperature, INERTIA FORCES is what causes them to fail during ford testing. Good luck
@@shawnogman6535 Ah, so somebody told somebody who told somebody. Sounds like solid info. If we listened to all the engineers at Ford and Tremec, we would never achieve what we have in the past. And we won't let that stop us from making people thing the performance we get out of this is impossible. Will we break these? I'm sure we will. That leads to better and more robust parts from the aftermarket.
Sweet I have a 22mm 12point socket and a T30 torx bit! Now I just need the pulley and the car!
Totally awesome to be so early in development and getting such large numbers 👍🏽👍🏽
I miss my 2011 Mustang GT. Fun car to drive. Easy to mod. Rock solid for the years I had it. A mere NA 460whp but it was a lot of fun.
If you own a new GT500 and want it to Eat. Ken, You're the man they need to see. You've become the king of Tuning the GT500.
920hp to the crank with 12% loss. That's insane.
Vanneker - From early numbers seen I don’t think the DCT drivetrain is seeing a 12% power loss. It appears the loss may be closer to 10%. That still means the engine is making around 900 HP with only a pulley swap, time and E 85. Incredible!!
@@danmyers9372 a t56 will sap some 14% as per factory rating. The dual clutch transmissions have more rotating mass than a traditional manual trans due to essentially having two separate gear-sets and clutches operating with one another all the time. This makes for a higher parasitic drag but makes for a more constant power delivery.
You can't calculate power based off of percentage loss
@@NatoriousGamePlay No, however knowing the parasitic drag of accessories/driveline components have been tested by their manufacturer as well as a plethora of personal testing. The manufacturer of the transmission states that at the rated max power, the transmission will consume 14% of peak horsepower @ the crank. If your arguing it's not something that can be tested and have an actual figure then check out a transmission Dyno where it inputs a fixed amount of torque and directly reads the output at almost any testable power level. That is how these figures are made.
@@madmod I'm not saying you are wrong, as I haven't checked a transmission dyno before, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that doesn't make much sense to me. Assuming everything but the engine remained the same, wouldn't the rest of the driveline consume the same amount of power (+/- a few hp) regardless of how much is sent through it?
I mean, there shouldn't be any more friction, the fluids haven't changed, same drag, etc so it shouldn't really be different between stock and modified. If it's not spinning any faster, thicker fluids, heavy/lighter wheel and tire package, etc I see no reason for it to add drag as a percentage and not a fixed number.
Didn’t take long for the aftermarket to make stuff for the 2020.
Incredible content! Look forward to these vids.
Is the factory pulley a clutched pulley like the hellcat? If so will it mess up the supercharger snout like it dose on the hellcats if you don’t put a clutched pulley back on?
Another great video from PBD!
Hey @Palm Beach Dyno , love your videos and great content! Just a suggestion. Could you guys put the dyno graphs up in the video a different way? Sometimes it's difficult to see the graph on a TV from this angle (only really on mobile devices). Maybe just display peak numbers at the end. Thanks!
Sick ride brother!!!
This is like reading a spy novel and someone ripped out the last page.
Been waiting for someone to do a pulley swap
They should have posted it , in a subscriber to both
I worked on Porsche for more than 12 years and I NEVER used a power tool to "run the bolts down".
I always used my fingers, I wanted to feel the bolt going down to know if there were any problems with the threads.
Does it save time (time is money)? Maybe 10 seconds.
Is it worth it? You'll find a bad thread after it's too late costing you lots of time.
If you run it down by hand then you are 100% sure that all the threads are clear and the bolts are the correct size.
Stop being lazy.
Jack Flash WHOOOOO GIVES A FUDGE
Bankhead Bee People who care about their cars. If I found out somebody got careless with a Powertool on my car I might have to stab them
@@Bankhead_BeeFYR Someone who drives a $250,000 car. Someone who is proud of their work and has a reputation to uphold.
IHateGamertags The chance on a bolt thats already been hand twisted in and finished with a drill chances of a fuck slim to non
Jack Flash Price of the car dont matter boss
This is a great and extremely informative. Why are dyno pulls performed with the hood up?
J C - yeah, that’s a valid question. It’s standard practice right but you don’t drive down the road with the hood up right?
Because there is very little difference in power output. Having the hood open allows us to monitor things under the hood during the pull. For instance if we have a belt issue we will see it sooner. You can also hear things much better
Just a little heads up guys. Use aluminum angle in the jaws of the vice so it doesn’t mark anything. Looking great! 🤙🏻
You must not have watched the video. The piece we are handling is in a special tool to protect the supercharger parts
I’ll be purchasing my tune from these guys .... it’s a little more then the Lund tune but I’ve beard good things about this shop and very curious !!!!! I have a 2013 GT500 would love me a PBD tune !!!!
Why are you guys running a red coolant? Mines the yellow/green(stock)
Ford's Warranty has left the chat
Beautiful all around but why is that S/C so quiet ?
With the E85 set up can you run both pump fuel and or E85? If so, does the computer calculate the mixture in real time and make adjustments?
I had a question, these parts you mentioned can they go on a 2021 model?
Excellent video ken
Tried calling but never get an answer.
Do i have to change injectors for e85 tune on my bone stock 2021GT500.?
Let tell you I hate the modern look of the mustang but the 2020 gt500 looks hella sexy
What size injectors do the 2020 gt500s come with stock?
650cc
55lb
Ken good to see you back in the driver's seat in regards to tuning, no offense to Rob but it seems like you are a shadow in the background. You started this whole deal and you need people to be aware of who you are and where you came from in the tuning world.
I asked him about hs background when I was down there, i was highly impressed and very happy i went with PBD even more so after learning his experience
@@IconicGT500 Today's world seems to be about the here and now, but to truly trust and respect someones opinion you need to know where they came from. Beautiful car you have there good luck with it.
@@IconicGT500 I couldnt agree more. Extremely happy with my choice in shops!
I do way more tuning than you realize. I focus on the trouble cars and new releases
Also, I don't care about personal credit. As long as people are happy with PBD, them I'm happy.
Fans to cool the engine?
Young Jaz to mimic going through the air at speed/prevent over heating
What is that blue wrap that you put over the fenders? I'd like to get some of that if you don't mind telling me the brand/name. TIA!
How long does it take to do the pulley and injectors
this car is Speed Density only? no Mass Air? that's interesting....
correct
How much boost to make this power
So early there's no comments yet lol but man the gt 500 is killer 💪💪
Hellcat is a pushrod motor doing this years ago, yawn Ford on this one.
Trying to figure out why you guys pulled the bumper
We didn't want to make a mess when we drained the coolant. On the car we did after this, we just used a suction pump to pull the coolant out from the top and left the bumper on
How are the iats with more boost?
Mid 120s on a drag pass at 140+ with low 60s ambient. Not too bad
That's one pissed off GT500!
Damn not wasting any time mid-9s by Spring! Just in time for demon hunting🤣🤣🤣
The demon is junk..it's just a big engine. This new mustang is very impressive all the way around...this is coming from a Porsche GT3 owner. I'll get the chance to drive one in a few weeks..might need to make space in my garage, whereas the dodge would never even be considered
JoeyandLindsay demon would eat this car alive with small tuning. 🤣 stop crying about a car having a big engine, that’s like crying about a man having a bigger penis as if it’s bad. Maybe for you. 🥱 if you truly love cars you’d appreciate any car for what makes them special.
@@jayzor demon is not a comparison to this car demon is only a straight line car this car is just as fast in a straight line but let's put the demon on a road course and let's see what happens this car would dominate the demon is fast but there to totally different cars this car was built to do it all unlike the demon its just a drag queen.
Hey Ken, this is Nestor. Question on that pulley. So the stock pulley has a clutch, are they not making the after market pulleys the same way? If not, why?
Cost would be a big reason. But sizing is another. We are going to a smaller pulley, so you have less room to work with.
Palm Beach Dyno - wondering how removing the clutch on the pulley might affect drive ability and especially the computers ability to pull power when needed to prevent wheelspin.
It doesn't use that to pull power but it could effect drivability in theory. But right now they seem to drive great
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I seriously don't think that tool is needed when using a impact gun
you'll want it to hold it still to properly torque it
For that type of pulley, TQ those little bolts good idea.
But that bling cnc piece being required sounds more like marketing, steel angle bracket would be way cheaper and same result. But cnc always looks pro. Nonetheless great job.
AWESOME VIDEO! Can a subscriber get in to see these cars run at Palm Beach raceway?
God damn that thing screams lol
Damn!
gt500 with increased hp are showing up with bent rods, build the bottom end first!
Yeah the previous ones had that problem but I doubt the newer ones had the same weakness. Only time will tell.
@@mathieulevasseur4082 all motors, seeing many increasing boost, more combustion heat, ring gap closing, breaking pistons, its easy to increase hp, but there is a price, at the shop my neighbor works customers must sign waver
That seems like a hassle go swap that pulley
I've seen worst lol.
If I’m correct. The stock pully has a clutch on it.
@@MustangGuru This is correct.
Blower is quiet!!!!!
What a shity process to change or replace the pulley. Turbo for the win adjust boost on the Fly.
That's just the first time. After that it's pretty easy
Cant wait till i get my hands on 1 of these for $65k :)
Travis Hinton - 😂 Good luck with that!!
They’ll end up holding their value for a long time I reckon, it’ll be a long time before they get down to $65k lol
LOL, with frame damage maybe.
Ford, GM and Chrysler make some great engines but don't have the chassis (
93 is only good for a Hyundai excel
Nice but kiss that warranty goodbye.
Fyi....Warranties are for the slower GT500s.
@@cccc9911 LOL! right! Warranties are for those that don't know how to wrench and tune? Nice
Gofast
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you guys are going to break the rotors using a non-clutch style pulley....
Just saying
That's why every other TVS 2650 blower on the market for the Mustang doesn't use a clutch pulley I guess. Those were designed to break. Roush, Edelbrock, Magnuson all designed their blower kits is partnership with Eaton completely wrong. Sounds about right. I'll call them all up to let them know to change it
@@PalmBeachDyno LMAO just for this I found my go to tuner for my 18GT 😂
@@PalmBeachDyno I got a ford engineer that says otherwise and he's sent the rotor packs they chewed up while testing.
@@PalmBeachDyno It's due to the nature of the DCT combo but I guess my ford engineer buddy doesn't know better. I am just saying what he told me boss
He told me, to let y'all know how the internal shaft temperature, INERTIA FORCES is what causes them to fail during ford testing.
Good luck
@@shawnogman6535 Ah, so somebody told somebody who told somebody. Sounds like solid info. If we listened to all the engineers at Ford and Tremec, we would never achieve what we have in the past. And we won't let that stop us from making people thing the performance we get out of this is impossible. Will we break these? I'm sure we will. That leads to better and more robust parts from the aftermarket.